PSC is also craftable
#suggestions-discussion
crude geode
zealous ridge
like if you were to do something like that with legendaries i dont think it should be a "config" from the config menu
like maybe an npc
ask them "hey can i do challeng e?"
and they be like "ye kill dis guy" and it activates a buff on them while the challenge is active and you get the legendary from killing dem
crude geode
The challenge system actually suggested is different from that, and has already been suggested.
and approved iirc
zealous ridge
i havent looked into that one
i saw the suggestion but i didnt really read it
mm yeas
ok but without an in-game system to indicate anything like that is a thing then like... who will run into these?
crude geode
Talking about it anymore is not really needed tbh, since it's already been approved.
hot zephyr
I doubt that portion of the game would get a rework even though it desperately needs one
zealous ridge
ye thats all ill say on it p much
rework post golem
hmm
it really does need it
crude geode
It desperately needs a rework, so I'm suggesting it, even if it is unlikely to happen.
zealous ridge
heres the thing
what are you exactly asking when you say rework it
i know that the suggestions are supposed to be broad but what specifically do you think could be changed
crude geode
Astrum Deus' existence inbetween LC and ML aggravates me so much, since that's the area where you're supposed to be getting hyped to fight the ML, the final boss of terraria and this big powerful foe.
"Giving some space between the bosses where the player can either explore to get new gear, mine for new gear, or be encouraged to do something besides the four bosses in a row would help break the cycle up more and give some much needed variety in that portion of the game."
^^^
this.
this is what I'm asking for.
zealous ridge
ok so
ive mentioned before that deus could be more involved than it currently is
tying it more to the celestial event i thought would be awesome
so its more a secondary objective to the celestial event
so youd probably be fighting deus during it as a sort of event boss
the summoning items for ravager could be more than what they are rn
crude geode
that wouldn't fix the problem I have with post-golem tbh, which is it's reinforcement of “kill boss->loot boss->repeat” cycle of Calamity.
zealous ridge
that is a far broader reaching problem than just post golem
crude geode
of course!
whole sedge
I really agree with this but post golem seems to have it the worst really
crude geode
^
zealous ridge
ye ye
its really bwoated
to me it seems really tough to space things out here more
crude geode
You can't just solve that cycle with one suggestion. It has to be slow, and this is a good start imo, cleaning up the most bloated area.
Like I said.
Adding any variety would be helpful.
river glen
hmm somehow my suggestion for old duke weapons buff is really liked
liked more than others
120/200 closest i have
crude geode
Ok.
crude geode
that's also OOA
zealous ridge
within that is betsy and the saucer
yeah its something of a moot point
but still worth consdiering as they are two entire sources of loot
crude geode
For 3/5 classes (unless you wanna count the sentry). 
zealous ridge
😳
crude geode
OOA doesn't really count as an event like Martian Madness in my eyes, since it's 99% waiting and holding left click simulator and 1% fighting Dark Mage, Ogre, or Betsy.
dapper coral
it also doesn't count because it's not recognized as existing by 90% of the playerbase
crude geode
^^
foggy plover
doesnt mean it doesnt exist
crude geode
It's moreso bc there's a mandatory waiting timer inbetween waves.
foggy plover
¯_(ツ)_/¯
summer sentinel
reworking that would also be a bit of work when it's fine as it is tbh
zealous ridge
to the dismay of post polterghast balancing around spikecrag
crude geode
I will admit that Martian Invasion does in fact count for something though, but OOA does not count for much if anything.
also, I can bring up ravager, bringing up the total bosses in this very condense area to 5
actually I did, I didn't bring up deus
originally
zealous ridge
ravager can be moved pretty easily i think
dapper coral
(you should update the number, it still says four)
crude geode
yee, done
foggy plover
id honestly be down with moving ravager to post provi and making him a real bloodstone boss since he drops bloodflare core anyways but
thats something to be brought up elsewhere
summer sentinel
that's, a good point since rav in hm can seem just like filler
crude geode
(honestly that makes a lot more sense than where he is now tbh, even tho it kinda bloats post-provi a bit more)
yeah rav is basically resource farm/filler.
foggy plover
hes based off golem a bit anyways so having him right after golem kinda ech
crude geode
yes
zealous ridge
unless you count the buffed cal and brim which i kind of dont
foggy plover
its worse if anything
crude geode
rav is also moving further and further away from golem so it would make sense to move him further away
foggy plover
id argue a lot of tiers are worse than post golem, but whatever, your sug
crude geode
worse in what way?
foggy plover
more bosses, less in between
dapper coral
also rav's not got an expert item until post-provi right? or am i being brainlet
zealous ridge
thats a general problem with post ml in any case
foggy plover
yes
zealous ridge
so yes that problem should be helped as well
foggy plover
only issue I could see with rav moving would be the advanced mobility of that tier
river glen
also how is ichor nerf gonna effect golden gun and golden shower
dapper coral
okay then that is definitely a weird thing that would be resolved by makin him post-provi
byeah uh
foggy plover
might go bring this up in dev later ngl
zealous ridge
rav is still pretty dangerous post provi in his current state
river glen
dashes
crude geode
tbh name a tier you think is worse than post-golem in regards to “kill boss->loot boss->repeat” cycle @foggy plover
river glen
and wings
zealous ridge
specially cuz of petrificiation
river glen
are very good
crude geode
@dapper coral Imma ping you just to make sure, my sugg looks good rn?
dapper coral
methinks yes
crude geode
k ty
dapper coral
crude geode
foggy plover
oh, early hardmode for one
summer sentinel
that is a weird hitbox hm
I might bring that up since that isn't intended by just looking at it
glass sentinel
wasn’t there already a hitbox sugg for metal bees?
crude geode
after cryogen you're allowed to mine for ores, and you get a new npc, and then once defeating one mech boss you're allowed to do OOA Tier 2, and after Aquatic Scourge you're allowed to do Acid Rain T2.
zealous ridge
for peanut butter goliath there was a suggestion to change her hitbox
and that got changed to my knowledge
foggy plover
OOA means nothing again, new ore is like, nothing, new npc is also nothing, acid rain tier 2 is good and thats literally it
crude geode
Plus you get charred ore mining post brimmy
crude geode
I mean new ore matters to some people, it's different from just fighting bosses.
summer sentinel
I think so lorax? though I'm just mentioning it for the sake of th sugg
dapper coral
wasn’t there already a hitbox sugg for metal bees?
methinks is repost
crude geode
yes it is
glass sentinel
ah
foggy plover
can someone get me a good screenshot of plaguebringer hitbox
I can just throw it in for a quick fix
doesnt need a sug
crude geode
hm...not sure if this is possible but
angler quests just always being active? like, not having a cooldown on them.
summer sentinel
there's another mod that does that
foggy plover
its possible
glass sentinel
like more than 1 per day
summer sentinel
I don't know if it needs to be a cal thing though because the mod it is in is a qol mod as is
glass sentinel
i mean who does anglers quests in cal
crude geode
I mean, considering the fact that Cal adds quest fish that wouldn't be caught otherwise (since you can just get everything from angler quests another way) I think it would be nice as an actually viable option
glass sentinel
more incentive to do the quests in general
crude geode
I mean I feel like there's a decent amount of reasons to do the angler quests bc like you can get endless water bucket, hotline fishing rod, etc. that can't be gotten until anahita and levi
crude geode
ds drops some of the angler quest items.
glass sentinel
and AS
crude geode
angler set, fishing acc and cellphone fishing acc drop from ds
glass sentinel
ah
crude geode
and golden bug net drops from AS
but endless water bucket and hotline fishing rod drop from siren
(also, with this change DS and AS could not drop those items since the player will just get these items for free)
cobalt pewter
@foggy plover source:
#suggestions-voting message
foggy plover
nah not pbg, the plaguebringer ads
violet minnow
anyone know what happened to this suggustion?
foggy plover
looks like rejected
heady storm
Votes that stalemate in dev are just left blank.
hot zephyr
:suggpurgatory:
cobalt pewter
mfw sugg purgatory
violet minnow
thats sad, was good suggustion
the only reason i found it is cause i was about to make a similar one and was checking around if someone had allready made it
dapper coral
hit enter too fast i assume
violet dagger
sleek hornet
ashen warren
im about to suggest to remove normality relocators fall speed boost, any objections or points to make about why we should or shouldnt keep it?
cobalt pewter
If you have a strong reasoning, it might be fine
Balance is outside of dedicatee's coverage afaik
ashen warren
I dont really have a strong reasoning but that feature is useless in my opinion
dapper coral
that's not really a balance thing though innit, unless the dedicatee had no say in its existence
hollow shell
Yeah it's not really a balance concern if your only reasoning is that you think it's useless
We would need to contact Gibb for that
ashen warren
yeah do that
dapper coral
time to find the list
hollow shell
(I personally don't think it's useless because falling quickly is a valuable asset in fights, especially Yharon)
(That's why people use the Slime or Squishy Bean mounts for his fight)
cobalt pewter
I'd personally argue fall speed bonus isn't as important anymore vs Yharon on normal cases
Since he's less batshit dashing like crazy now
dapper coral
@hexed hedge hi would you be okay with removing the fall speed bonus on NR or no
hollow shell
True, he is less batshit than before
cobalt pewter
And a lot of the time is spent dodging BHs
For the dashes, Asgardian Aegis is far more than enough in the current state of Yharon's gameplay
I also start growing a hate on RoD and especially NR in particular, but that's irrelevant to the issue at hand
cobalt pewter
Immediate yeet 😔
hollow shell
Immediyeet, if you will.
hollow shell
imyeetiate
glass sentinel
this has gone off track
glass sentinel
heady storm
crude geode
Early hardmode is meant to crush you, and I don’t know how king slime’s drops selling for more helps prevent this.
You probably already have a stockpile of cash by the time you’re in hm @regal jackal
ashen warren
how so
crude geode
^
regal jackal
potions
ashen warren
oh alchemist npc
regal jackal
a lot of potions
crude geode
Oh. AlchNPC
regal jackal
yeah
crude geode
Not calamity.
ashen warren
can't you just make a farm
crude geode
Also ^
regal jackal
idk how
crude geode
^^^
regal jackal
rlly?
ashen warren
yeah
tawny garden
potions aren't something that you absolutely need
crude geode
This sugg is really moot if alchNPC is involved.
ashen warren
also its kinda funny how you mentioned king slime specifically when you can already farm a ton of coins from desert scourge early game
crude geode
^
cobalt pewter
As leviathan said (and I rephrased), the good boss fight is something you can overcome without over preparing
tawny garden
expert revegeance mode
hmmm
cobalt pewter
ashen warren
master how the AI works first before using potions
crude geode
^
ashen warren
that's what I did when practicing SCal
regal jackal
As leviathan said (and I rephrased), the good boss fight is something you can overcome without over preparing
@cobalt pewter i been playing monster hunter a lot, i have the habit to prepare
tawny garden
but when I can get them, I don't need them anymore
regal jackal
heady storm
Is this suggestion valid though? That’s all I want to know.
tawny garden
it doesn't break any rules
heady storm
So it’s on another end of someone’s personal experiences, gotcha.
crude geode
^
tawny garden
makes no sense != breaks rules
heady storm
Let’s make that a rule then, since it should’ve been one already.
heady storm
@hollow shell yeah can we do the above for the document?
tepid root
coherency is pretty important when it comes to something people vote for
heady storm
But essentially, you have no reasoning for King Slime in particular @regal jackal.
cobalt pewter
glad that's fixed in 1.4
tawny garden
eh
cobalt pewter
tepid root
just dont do stuff like that one recent armageddon suggestion harhar
crude geode
When there’s no logical reasoning behind doing a suggestion Philo. Basically this rule would probably just cement the point of having reasoning instead of just a topic line.
heady storm
I define it as a suggestion that literally just doesn’t make sense; be it by its informal structure, reasoning, etc..
tawny garden
"there’s no logical reasoning behind doing a suggestion" is already a rule
heady storm
Well, I can’t ghost-ping Rover and get away with it.
crude geode
Oof
heady storm
@clever sentinel just because “it would be cool” isn’t enough reasoning.
clever sentinel
yeah, i guess... I just though it would be a nice easter egg
tawny garden
also, I don't think it would age well
clever sentinel
just so we can all laugh once all of it is over
heady storm
I really don’t think making fun of the virus would be a good idea at all, indeed.
cobalt pewter
Mhm
tawny garden
thing is
heady storm
Thank you for understanding.
clever sentinel
no problem
heady storm
That’s Red being jacked up as per usual though.
tawny garden
tawny garden
in one of the Nurse's dialogues
clever sentinel
when it's too crowded
heady storm
Suggestion talk return please.
tawny garden
yeah, going back,
This time period is one of, if not the heaviest contributor to the overly simplistic “kill boss->loot boss->repeat” cycle of Calamity.
how about the entirety of Post-Moon Lord
bold wave
Can you vote on your own suggestion or is it I L L E G A L?
tawny garden
you can
bold wave
Lol
cobalt pewter
You can
You won't be judged
And your vote will only make up 0.5% of votes needed anyway
heady storm
It's not illegal, no. 
bold wave
I bet alter accos are illegal tho
tawny garden
technically the requirement is only 198 stars, 138 for server suggs
cobalt pewter
I included the bot vote because yes
heady storm
The bot agrees with all anyway.
sturdy geyser
i agree with I hate sand
gray nebula
terra edge more like uhhh
sturdy geyser
😳
gray nebula
alternate reality terrablade
unreal viper
what if fabsol was red terra blade
gray nebula
but its not going away because fab likes it and nostalgia power or stmh
i hate nostalgia what a dumb thing to exist
unreal viper
that's why I made rework sugg not delete sugg
I think most people can agree that it needs to be more distinct from blade
cobalt pewter
@unreal viper minor stuff, but I guess you can make a line break right before "Perhaps". The entire paragraph do be long in mobile
Readability buffs
nimble raft
it would be a cool change, but compared to all off the other stuff that could be changed/fixed its just sort of small (just my opinion pleas don't get pissed at me)
unreal viper
it is smol
unreal viper
I could sugg broadsword bloat change
but like suffering
And everyone would just criticize my examples saying that whatever sword is their favorite weapon or something.
pine star
zenith hazel
or you know
just wait for us to deal with that stuff ourselves considering that is our plan
pine star
unreal viper
Well, I'm excited.
cobalt pewter
time to pursue ozz for leaks cool
sturdy geyser
noble turret
terra edge is post plant and levi is next so the true melee wouldnt really work out
heady storm
@hardy dock reasoning?
hardy dock
Yeah I accidentally posted before entering that Im on it
exotic stag
I mean.. people like speedrunners will do progression skips
heady storm
Might wanna include how that basically makes a pickaxe obtained later in progression weaker.
hardy dock
Yeah I was including that
heady storm
Looks fine to me now.
craggy stratus
doesnt skyfringe has more pickaxe speed
violet minnow
its faster but you still need molten to get hm ores
weak field
Bone pickaxe is even faster
ashen warren
can we get 5 more votes
violet minnow
yes but bone pickaxe does not have 100 power
heady storm
Hi yes @ashen warren, don't advertise your suggestion please.
ashen warren
oh
dapper coral
Meowmere* @grim tusk
sleek turret
Ah, that name is confusing.
zenith hazel
not yet
river glen
in any shape and form
grim tusk
celebration isnt as shit as terrarian and meowmere
river glen
it is
foggy plover
were gonna do a bunch of vanilla rebalancing when tmod 1.4 comes around
sleek turret
yeah
zenith hazel
terrarian is getting buffed because fab happened to see terrarian being bad and went ahead with buffing yoyos
grim tusk
also Celebration is getting shifted to post-Golem
zenith hazel
it was not part of our plan for this hotfix or the rebalances update after
this doesn't necessarily apply to other vanilla weps
bad vanilla weps will get buffed in the future, don't worry too much right now
river glen
all moon lord weapons are all below par
zenith hazel
we get it
zenith hazel
gonna go ahead and delete the meowmere sugg
sleek turret
Hey Brav, uhh, Vanilla yoyos are going the get an special effect or something? (Like Calamity ones)
grim tusk
but i guess craftables > boss drops
@river glen
Starwrath is pretty good actually, sdmg is meh and outclassed by the probably need nerf elemental blaster and eruption (at least its better than chain blaster imao), prism is prism and the sentries are way beyond dogshit against anything not named Storm Weaver
hollow shell
@heady storm What should I do for the document?
Just, make it a rule that you need to have... good reasoning?
cobalt pewter
Probably refer to it for bad suggestion practice?
hollow shell
I dunno if such a rule is necessary
If a sugg has a bad reason you ping em about it and ask em to edit it
People already understand that bad reasons are bad
A Don't exists for the weak insubstantial reasons like "QoL" because people did think they were okay
dapper coral
from what i can tell from that convo, it seems like Chetto is either asking for a) a don't suggesting to not have bad reasoning, as you said, or b) to not have suggs purely based off of personal experiences
although i should probably go look at the suggestion itself
summer sentinel
Suggs based on personal experiences can help invoke some thought into a suggestion which I think should stay, but as for a rule of only personal experience, I don't think it should be mentioned. bad reasoning for a sugg is subjective itself in nature too, so it doesn't sound very concrete as a new rule
hollow shell
Making it so suggs can't be based on personal experience is probably pretty dangerous and invalidates a lot of otherwise valid suggestions
sleek turret
Hey Rover, uhh, in the first paragraph of:
"Example: Tesla Energy Blaster - Post-ML ranged weapon which fires 3 parallel lasers that can pierce 5 times, dealing 80 base damage etc etc. Crafted with a Space Gun, 20 Vortex Fragments, and 50 Martian Conduit Plating." Indicates that the weapon is for Post-ML as an example, but the materials mentioned are made with Pre-ML materials. (Don'ts Doc)
hollow shell
puh, you're right
summer sentinel
essentially suggestions are just well, suggestions, your thoughts/feelings/opinions on things, I don't want to have the potential of limiting ones thoughts by rules that involve the terms of "bad" or "personal"
hollow shell
There that's better
summer sentinel
because for example: my reasoning for archerfish into megalodon is a personal reason because of how it logically fits into the gun, now that isn't entirely personal but you get the idea was personal to me
dapper coral
Making it so suggs can't be based on personal experience is probably pretty dangerous and invalidates a lot of otherwise valid suggestions
that is also what i'm thinking, but then again it's rather ambiguous so we'll wait to see what chetto says
heady storm
I meant more in the sense where you should actually try and make sure people can even read and understand your suggestion at the same time.
hollow shell
So, a rule that reasons must be understandable?
Isn't that also something obvious that people will ping about anyway?
summer sentinel
I'd say yeah for the ping because people have been doing that anyways
heady storm
Yeah, but there's nothing saying that they have to, and people here like to play around with what's specifically a do or do not.
cobalt pewter
Imagine making an incorrect example for a SIS
heady storm
"People do it anyway" is exactly why you should go and make it official.
void kelp
readability of the suggestion isn’t necessarily an explicit rule, but it definitely is there
dapper coral
well i suppose the thing is is, whether it's a don't or not people are still gonna get pinged for it, and it will get marked with the exclam. it just seems like a bit of a redundancy
summer sentinel
also over enforcing rules for suggestions might become problematic as this issue is quite minor in its nature
heady storm
At least have a side note so we can actually have an official excuse.
heady storm
Already done Latias.
sleek turret
Byeah, for me, before suggesting is always recommended to read the doc, putting it on the doc will be more efficient as a suggestion can have something that is accepted on the rules but have poor reasoning, and not really waste time for the person doing the suggestion for editing, ofc, the person will be pinged for more explanation or reasoning about the suggestion.
river glen
i think people dont read rules
anyway
like u will need to shove a channel that says "suggestion rules" in order for people to go out of their way to read it
instead of going to pins
heady storm
So we do something, but we don't have it as a written precedent anyway.
summer sentinel
they should read the rules but that doesn't mean they will Latias
river glen
yeah ik that
void kelp
people don’t even read the rules of this discord
river glen
like u have a channel called #rules but then u have 20% of people who wont even read it
then u have people that dont even read the ToS of discord
maybe a server suggestion
summer sentinel
I'm just convinced it's human nature that people don't read the rules since it takes up their time/they go off their assumptions but anyways, back to suggs
frail mantle
could write a note on the Don't about reasoning saying something like "remember that suggestions are meant to be seen by other people than just you, so make sure your reasoning is clear to understand"
tawny garden
wanted to drop a few words in on stuff discussed up above
there are some rules on suggs that are obvious enough to not be expicitly written anywere, e.g.
"something you post in #suggestions-posting has to be a suggestion in order to be a valid suggestion" (
)
((in law, they do write these things out, but things we do aren't that formal))
so imo it's pointless to have rules in the doc against ineligible suggs, cause that should be obvious either way
(unless you're a blithering idiot)
eternal escarp
time to go on a witch lawyer hunt to find the lawyers among us
violet minnow
can you repost already delivered suggestions if they have reached the star cap?
will the suggestion be reconsidered, like is it even worth posting it again?
i cant find anything about it the pins
robust lava
That's the purpose of the bluecheck, no? So yes, you can repost delivered suggestions, and they'll just get marked with a bluecheck, which lets the devs know that it is a frequently requested suggestion
violet minnow
i guess
river glen
#suggestions-voting message this one reached 200 already
yes we get different deus worms
or at least it will be thought of
frail mantle
yes that's how suggestions work
hollow sierra
generally pre moonlord calamity picks have less power than equivelant vanilla picks but are much faster
do you think its too specific of a request to change blossom's tool speed from 5 to 4
as is, it doesn't even mine faster than the astral pick, and its slower than the shroomite claw
summer sentinel
If you can reason as to why the tool speed should be changed, then that's an acceptable suggestion, just make sure it doesn't sound like a SIS as said in the pins doc here
hollow sierra
SIS?
summer sentinel
specific item suggestion
tawny garden
hollow sierra
i've read the doc, i just didn't understand the acronym
tawny garden
ok good
golden narwhal
If you want (just make sure to have some form of reasoning other than "it'd be cool", ig)
red merlin
welp
hollow sierra
you could probably argue consistency, since every other ore can be mixed with stone to make ore bricks and furniture
summer sentinel
mentioning darksun furniture may not be the most practical suggestion because of the minimal use case for it
also good suggestion chrono
hollow sierra
although checking cryonic, perennial and scoria, they only have bricks and no furniture
could throw those into your sugg
summer sentinel
as long as you put some thought into your suggestion with a reasonable basis and evidence, then you can post it and see what happens as a result. Just make sure it follows the sugg rules 
dapper coral
pretty sure turning throwing stuff into rogue stuff is a don't
hollow shell
This is a Don't, Koora
zenith hazel
fighting skeletron gives you shadow key
and bandit
shadow key gives you lionfish
I rest my case
crystal iron
right k
hollow shell
Bandit is indeed locked behind Skele
dapper coral
it happens
hollow shell
It's ok
tawny garden
bone glove is the only item the item type of which was changed in a later update
fun fact
hollow shell
Wow, I didn't know it was turned into an accessory
sharp prism
bone glove is vanilla luxor's gift
ashen warren
Apologies
crude geode
@shut fox No future 1.4 suggs
shut fox
ah i see, my bad
hollow shell
Shouldn't suggest stuff pertaining to 1.4, yeah.
We'll be able to actually do something about this sugg once tMod and Cal updates to 1.4
hollow sierra
i can just about imagine dancing crimson keyboards during the scal fight
hollow shell
Yeah that's better now Slam
shut fox
Is the keyboard thing actually possible though? idk if I should ask that here, I'm new to this server
hollow shell
Should be possible if vanilla does it yeah
Prolly would be very hard to do at the moment cuz we don't have any code reference for it
but once we're modding for 1.4 and there exists code for Chroma support, we'll very likely be able to do our own things for it, yeah
shut fox
oh nice
hot zephyr
Boss slowing seems extremely powerful, especially for charge-based bosses
serene fox
don't think this change will affect bosses
I hope not at least
more for mobbing and stuff
cobalt pewter
Something like Tesla pots?
serene fox
what do tesla pots do again
heady storm
Funny electric field that damages enemies when they get too close to you.
zealous ridge
the field also applies a slowdown debuff
so thats what that's from
(doesnt work on bosses)
summer sentinel
beat me to saying it
serene fox
zealous ridge
crude geode
Personally I would like to see ways for the player to interact with bosses that aren’t just...damage dashing away from them, or RoD, but I doubt that’s going to happen.
crude geode
Slowing bosses, cancelling them from doing certain attacks, confusing them
glass sentinel
serene fox
this is terraria we're talking about
tawny garden
that could be done with debuffs
...but, well,
glass sentinel
so back to the parry and stagger sugg
crude geode
debuffs
summer sentinel
Terraria could theoretically get parrys but the amount of work that it'd take for it would be over the roof 
crude geode
Yeah for sure. plus the mechanic is a straight rip from hollow knight
cobalt pewter
Did everyone just forget Brand exists
crude geode
OOA?
glass sentinel
that doesnt count
cobalt pewter
Tier 2 specifically
glass sentinel
no one cares about it
crude geode
^
glass sentinel
and its hard to use in a boss fight
glass sentinel
fair
cobalt pewter
Just needs little adjustments and boom
summer sentinel
OOA is sort of abandoned because trying to rework the entire event to make it fun is just more hassle than its worth and frankly, vanilla should've executed it better
cobalt pewter
You got a parry system that could be applicable for shields in general
crude geode
Vanilla didn’t touch OOA in 1.4, why should any mod
summer sentinel
anyways go back to suggestions stuff
crude geode
Yes
crude geode
Personally, I’m unsure of what the unique armor set is referring to tbh
Like, in terms of @hard crescent ‘s
cobalt pewter
Obviously class armors
serene fox
there isn't a single armor set that is specifically tailored for melee
cobalt pewter
And I'm pretty sure there's no melee specific armors
serene fox
every other class has one
cobalt pewter
Post ML has 2
One for magic and one for summon
HM has another for magic
Ranged and summon as well
Rogue also has sulp armor, forbidden circlet and titan heart
crude geode
I’d like to point to tortoise armor and hellstone armor, Bc both of those are vanilla armors specifically for melee, while vanilla gives basically nothing to the others.
serene fox
there's necro, jungle/meteor and bee/obs
cobalt pewter
Imo we can def cut down on multiclass armors on post ML and make do with specialized, unique one-class armors
crude geode
obsidian was made into a summoner set 
cobalt pewter
and murder auric's bloat
crude geode
Auric bloat murder has already been suggested
summer sentinel
yes, and it's being considered anyways too, I think, if we're just talking about auric armor sets
crude geode
wonderful
serene fox
auric fucking dies 
summer sentinel
tortoise and hellstone armors you mean turtle and molten right? (just clarifying 
)
cobalt pewter
Byeah, we can make do for more specialized armors post ML
crude geode
(yes)
Personally, melee gets a heavy bias in vanilla (and partially in modding) due to it being a decent favorite of peoples. This results in the class getting exclusive things like Zenith, which imo is really bad.
summer sentinel
auric melee armor is like, really good, but people know that
limber ocean
isn't melee like 2nd or 3rd in popularity?
cobalt pewter
The only ones in pML are a dedicated armor, and a broken as shit to compete with auric armor
summer sentinel
melee gets vanilla bias but vanilla still treats it a bit subpar and still favors ranger as more so the meta class, in conjunction with magic probs. 1.4.1 helped to fix this though somewhat
melee is probably 2nd popular, ranger 1st, but this is my speculation
crude geode
I'd think the same
serene fox
I'd say mage is the most popular, but I'm biased so yeah
anyways
I think the suggestion still stands
cobalt pewter
m
serene fox
there really aren't any armor sets specifically tailored for melee in cal
summer sentinel
I'd say it stands still, it isn't a SIS really so it passes
crude geode
I don't think there really needs to be armor sets specifically tailored for melee in cal, but it's valid enough
iirc, melee already has the highest number of weapons in the mod, moreso than the new class cal introduces
serene fox
you could place at a point where melee struggles
which is around
uhhh
beginning of post-ml?
summer sentinel
it's weird for melee because it struggles probably intro to hm, intro to postml and end of hm
cobalt pewter
iirc, melee already has the highest number of weapons in the mod, moreso than the new class cal introduces
That's a separate issue imo
crude geode
tbh intro to hm is where every class struggles besides ranged bc shotgun funny
summer sentinel
because post golem weps are decent but post-golem melee seems okay-ish, ranger probably beats it
@foggy plover do you have any input to add into where melee struggles in stages of cal since you probably know this a bit more than me?
foggy plover
I havent played melee in 2 years lol
serene fox
summer sentinel
well then
foggy plover
I know its not the greatest in phm
idk about most of hardmode, post golem and post cultist are good
serene fox
beginning of post-ml and hm are where it struggles
summer sentinel
post golem melee is good? I thought it was kind of meh
serene fox
it is iirc
foggy plover
post ml I dont think is too good ye
post golem has true forbidden oathblade after pbg
subduction slicer and helfire flamberge are pretty good for killing pbg
summer sentinel
oh yeah, okay then ignore what I said about post-golem it's fine, then early hm and early postml I'd say struggle
crude geode
beginning of post-ml and hm are where it struggles
beginning of hm is where every class is meant to struggle, due to a lack of most hm weapons. (ranger shotgun funny)
serene fox
yeah fair enough
summer sentinel
ranger entering hm doesn't struggle
foggy plover
last time I did a melee was with fargos and rox was godly
that was literally it
rox has since lost half of its base damage
summer sentinel
ouch
foggy plover
kelvin has also died since then
summer sentinel
true caustic edge is good as long as you can aim
crude geode
byeah this is overall a different problem (and my personal opinions against melee biases and it's absurd amount of weapons is starting to show) so I think the suggestion is fine to be voted on.
unreal viper
I think that more armors good, more weapons bad.
Though it depends on progression point for armors.
Hm.
The specification of hardmode and pml is nice, although imo hardmode has enough stuff. Mentioning true melee is good too.
👍
unreal viper
Beetle scale mail is kinda true melee.
cobalt pewter
Scalemail is cring
unreal viper
But 45% danage and melee speed my dude
Molten is def true melee
But generally there aren’t really any.
foggy plover
turtle should become true melee tbh
unreal viper
Good idea
cobalt pewter
Sure
unreal viper
Would make it distinct from chloro
And there are already parts of it that benefit true melee.
cobalt pewter
Mhm
mossy badge
exotic stag
well i mean
hollow shell
Well I mean
Marnite Spear doesn't exist on its own, there are two other Marnite items
which use Gold/Plat
dapper coral
mhm, this would probably mess with the rest of the marnite stuffs
hollow shell
(you could also make it a bit clearer you mean the item named "Spear", cuz you don't even capitalize it which makes it confusing to read)
@exotic stag
hollow shell
Yeah that's good
(tho imo it would prolly be better if you suggested Spear was added to the recipe rather than replacing that material)
(cuz of Marnite consistency purposes)
hollow shell
Thank you
dapper coral
coolio
hollow shell
(imo a better solution would be giving it a unique aspect so it wasn't the same as the most basic bitch spear )
(but, sugg's still fine considering the current state of it)
exotic stag
Either one woulda worked because it either includes the thing its based off of or changing the item a tiny bit
cobalt pewter
(imo a better solution would be giving it a unique aspect so it wasn't the same as the most basic bitch spear
Melee momentum
exotic stag
but i feel like adding an item would make it harder to get
since its a powerful spear early on
zealous ridge
spear could kind of fill that role of requiring more effort
but the way i see it its kind of hard not to find wooden chest loot before getting into a granite and marble cave
honestly hard to say if adding spear to the recipe would actually make it "more difficult" to obtain
hollow shell
Well the problem with wooden chest loot is that it ain't guaranteed
You can get two Radars, a Wand of Sparking, and three Aglets
a Guide to Plant Cordage
a Climbing Claw
and no spear
cobalt pewter
zealous ridge
this is true
for me it's just hard to gauge how much it would affect the obtainability
hot zephyr
I don't think Marnite Spear needs to be more difficult to get
It's already pretty bad
There's a thousand spears that could get a spear added to their recipe; what makes Marnite Spear so special?
hollow shell
Cuz Marnite Spear has no additional functionality
exotic stag
i mean most other spears have something special to them
hollow shell
just like Spear
exotic stag
like a projectile or stuff
all marnite spear is.. is just a more powerful spear in all reality
summer sentinel
That's a good suggestion for sniper scope and something I've frankly run into, making it a visibility toggle is nice, not sure how you'd disable the right click for halleys inferno and svantechnical though
exotic stag
Yep
naive scaffold
that's why i only said accessories
naive scaffold
i wouldn't think there's much of a fix to that short of removing it
so just. don't have them in your hand when doing things i suppose
but sniper scope is forever
summer sentinel
so you'd just allow the 2 guns to have the range then? ah okay, alright I was just clarifying
hot zephyr
A spear gets added to the Marnite Spear recipe; but now Wooden Crates can drop spears at low chances
hot zephyr
See ya
summer sentinel
I've encountered that too as many others have tbh because it immediately jarring upon usage when you're trying to inventory grab
hollow shell
[about Spear]
naive scaffold
i edited the message for clarity
hollow shell
So uh yeah adding it to crates would be a good move anyway
naive scaffold
but yeah i wouldn't consider myself easily motion sick but the sniper scope jump makes my eyes hurt
hot zephyr
Sounds good to me
naive scaffold
really shitty
hot zephyr
tbh I wish that there was a specific crate for pre-boss loot
the wooden crate pool is huge
summer sentinel
yeah it just immediately shifts the screen by some (x,y) pixels and it just throws you off
hot zephyr
the reason why there's no spear in there because nobody wants a spear
hollow shell
Spear is frickin garbage yeah
It's only useful if it's in like
the first chest you find
in vanilla
naive scaffold
consdering just putting my magic quiver back on to save my eyes
hot zephyr
Not even lmao
hot zephyr
You can craft a wooden bow that outdamages and outranges spear
summer sentinel
exactly loaf of bread
hot zephyr
How about this: We move all the basic wooden crate items into an earlygame crate that can only be fished up in small (<50 tile) ponds of water
hollow shell
tbf that has ammo which you don't really stockpile until you've done a decent amount of looting
dapper coral
spear is a good melee spawn weapon
hot zephyr
you can craft arrows with stone and wood
hollow shell
Removing stuff from a crate seems like it might be a lil screwy
hot zephyr
stone and wood is literally everywhere
hollow shell
We can prolly do it but it won't be pretty
summer sentinel
marnite spear could get a projectile but then that'd be changing its purpose a bit from true melee to that but it's an idea
hot zephyr
tbh a lot of melee weapons could get true melee alt fires
summer sentinel
similar to gauss dagger ish? that sounds good
hot zephyr
Give it chain lightning with low damage because early true melee sucks at mobbing
hollow shell
Could do.
hot zephyr
30%/50% of the weapon damage and chains to 3 nearby enemies or somethin'
I wish that most melee weapons would get true melee alt-fires that wouldn't have any other changes other than a. not firing projectiles and b. being eligible for true melee bonuses
naive scaffold
actually, is it possible to even achieve an effect like i suggested by just toggling visibility?
i swear i remember the shield dashes used to be togglable via visibility but looking at my asgard's valor it doesn't seem like i can do that currently
hot zephyr
shield visibility toggles got removed because there's an acc for that now
naive scaffold
ah
naive scaffold
would it be possible to disable the sniper zoom effect by toggling its visiblity off then?
the accessories, specifically
naive scaffold
the weapons can stay the way they are
i just find it really hard to look at when i accidentally slide my screen everywhere
hollow shell
In fact I thought it was a thing already
naive scaffold
trying to interact with simple things
cobalt pewter
The issue with visibility toggle on shields is that they can block the player's visual, sometimes unwanted
hot zephyr
Maybe add a "Broken Scope" inventory item that disables scoping
cobalt pewter
While with scopes, they literally have no visible sprites on the player
So you're gucci
hot zephyr
or Broken Lens... however you'd call it
hot zephyr
Seems a lot easier than putting in visibility toggles
naive scaffold
well scopes don't have a visual like shields do so there's no real point in making an item for it would there?
i dislike having to take up even more space in my inv
cobalt pewter
Seems like redundant to add an item for scoping toggle imo
hollow shell
Visibility toggles, a coder could add it on their own
hot zephyr
Not easier dev wise, but easier gameplay wise
hollow shell
Ah I see
hot zephyr
It'd be less confusing for a player
cobalt pewter
Since there's not a lot of scoping accs in the game anyways
naive scaffold
inv space is precious and i have enough taken up by my favorited ammos, lores, etc
hot zephyr
There's only a handful of dashes as well
cobalt pewter
We have like, quite a bit dashes in cal, most of them affect visuals of the player when visible
naive scaffold
could just add to the tooltip "Toggle visiblity on this item to enable/disable sniper zoom"
hollow shell
Well dashes have more universal gameplay significance
radiant meadow
Aren't there only like 2 scope accessories?
hot zephyr
True, true
radiant meadow
being the vanilla ones
hollow shell
Scopes are only on a select few Ranger weps/accs
naive scaffold
yes
cobalt pewter
3 as of 1.4
hot zephyr
There's multiple scopes and weapons
naive scaffold
and weapons which zoom
cobalt pewter
Including Recon Scope
naive scaffold
im only talking about the 2 accessories
hot zephyr
- binoculars
cobalt pewter
Yeah binoculars technically do that
naive scaffold
being rifle and sniper scope
i just want a toggle on whether or not they can zoom
hot zephyr
why not add functionality to all the scopes, weapons included if we're having an inventory item
Adding accessibility features and player comfort is always a good thing
naive scaffold
i suppose but i'm biased 'cause i don't like items that take up more space than i already use :v
always running almost out of inv space when i go to fight bosses cause im stocked up on pots
on top of my usual items
hot zephyr
if only lore items could be used from piggy banks
cobalt pewter
Completely forgot about weapon scopes
I guess you can use an item in that case then
naive scaffold
well, i appended something item-related to the end of the suggestion
summer sentinel
looks good
hot zephyr
Looks pretty good 
naive scaffold
i think if you did an item it could be like
Broken Lens/Scope or Smudged Lens
"It's cracked/It's really dirty...
Favorite this item to disable any view range bonuses granted by equipment"
hollow shell
Yeah that sounds about right.
naive scaffold
recipe could just be rifle scope + hands
punch the lens out/get your greasy little ranger hands all over it
hollow shell
Might be a tad expensive
naive scaffold
maybe something involving regular/black lenses then?
hollow shell
Yeah prolly
Lens + Iron + one Ectoplasm
"You got ghost goo all over the lens and now you can't see out of it. Good job."
naive scaffold
hollow shell
(I don't think there are any pre-Plant zooms, are there?)
limber ocean
the binoculars?
naive scaffold
never heard of anyone that actually uses those
hollow shell
It would be kinda silly to try and disable the zoom on Binoculars :P
limber ocean
never heard of anyone that actually uses those
I use them when I get them
they're better in calamity than they are in vanilla
cause shiny ore
hot zephyr
It's a wonderful feature
naive scaffold
well, still, the binoculars zoom and only zoom so it would be slightly silly to have the item then when the only item only zooms
but if it's that big a deal you could substitute ectoplasm for some gel
hollow shell
Indeed
naive scaffold
but i feel like if you don't like zoom then you wouldn't use/wouldn't even bother using the binoculars
limber ocean
I don't think it's a big deal
naive scaffold
which makes it somewhat redundant to have the item be pre-plantera
limber ocean
I just wanted to be contrarian for a bit, tbh
naive scaffold
but i do like the idea of an ectoplasm-covered lens for a zoom-blocking item
i felt like doing something rough for it
im not a sprite artist i did this in like 10 minutes in paint.net i have the faintest concept of shading its ROUGH
hollow shell
Bit too much plasm and not much lens but it looks okay
(not much need to work on it cuz you can't submit sprites for a non-existent item)
naive scaffold
yeah i know lol
just as a concept
my idea was just. you smeared the entire glob of it from the original sprite onto the scope
for. whatever reason and now you have this mess
hollow shell
Reasonable.
cobalt pewter
Reasonable.
Not sure if that's the right way to suggest it
But hopefully I got the point across
hollow shell
Ah I misread the title as "and lower the velocity"
cobalt pewter
oof
hollow shell
Haven't used Decap much but this seems okay... maybe?
I was kinda under the impression that Decap losing velocity on enemy hits was so that it can deal more damage
cobalt pewter
A sec
hollow shell
Keeping the weapon in the enemy's hitbox
cobalt pewter
Testers do say it's fine ig
I personally think with the amount of fast and thick mobs are quite prevalent, and I really doubt Decap can do much with that in mind
But I guess it could be a support weapon
idk
limber ocean
took me a second to understand what the title of that last sugg meant
wouldn't it sound better if it said something like "the slower it moves"?
cobalt pewter
Alright, will reword it
I've just been using a bit more technical terms as of late
serene fox
it'd also make making an arena for him even more of a pain in the ass
cause for whatever reason some parts of the dg just don't count when you've mined enough
river glen
eh i guess
serene fox
it's why polter doesn't enrage outside the dg anymore
river glen
she dosent?
river glen
oh ok
real steppe
wait, so i can fight polter underground and i'll be fine?
hexed hedge
Do as you wish, you have my blessings
dapper coral
ashen warren
bold wave
Has there been a suggestion about Yharon's Immunity frames?
summer sentinel
there's got to be more than "dumb" though because that's not particularly, helpful
what specifically would you suggest a change for them to be?
hexed hedge
His phase transition Immunity frames?
dapper coral
i mean, that's just phase transitions innit
bold wave
Idk, maybe make him transition more smoothly between phases
hexed hedge
I could see him still taking damage but with a big def boost or something during the transition
bold wave
Ah
hexed hedge
But there lies potential cheesing
bold wave
It's annoying cause it counters andrenaline
ashen warren
just increase yharon's dr during phase transitions i guess
foggy plover
hes completely invincible during transitions
bold wave
I could see him still taking damage but with a big def boost or something during the transition
@hexed hedge > hes completely invincible during transitions
@foggy plover umm
ashen warren
lubba wants yharon to not be completely invincible im assuming
foggy plover
it got changed specifically so you cant melt/skip phases anymore
serene fox
it isn't?
golden narwhal
I mean, you can save adrenaline, so the invincibility isn't a counter (for the yharon thing)
ashen warren
@glass sentinel what do you mean
hollow shell
It's not a bug, it's literally in the tooltip, lol
hollow shell
Boosts movement and fall speed by 10%
hollow shell
I think it's that it's not meant to be as fast as it is
glass sentinel
maybe
hollow shell
It's way higher than 10%
glass sentinel
maybe that was it
something about it being like portal gun
i probably misread
knowing me
golden narwhal
Weren't they talking about smth relating to blocks and the fall speed (unless I'm remembering the wrong discussion)
glass sentinel
🤷
hollow shell
I wouldn't be surprised if there were multiple different buggy NR discussions
dapper coral
i believe as far as NR goes, the general consensus is that it was a mistake and nothing like it should ever be added again
glass sentinel
and yes, its not meant to be that fast
and rover, you were actually the one who brought it up
hollow shell
Yeah, I remember theorizing that it applied the *1.1 fall speed boost on every frame
causing exponential growth
but that didn't quite add up, because even that would result in speeds far higher than we see in-game
In-game speeds are high but we're talking like theoretically hundreds of blocks per second, if the every frame theory panned out
glass sentinel
hollow shell
So uhh
glass sentinel
so the super speed is a bug?
hollow shell
ig, no idea what's happening
wooden wedge
I thought it was intentional
hollow shell
There's supposed to be a fall speed boost but not that extreme
wooden wedge
As to not make it a direct upgrade to the ROD or something like that
signal glade
muramasa bigger tho
hollow shell
Yes
glass sentinel
huh?
dapper coral
that's not something for here
glass sentinel
why does that relate here
dapper coral
go talk about it in #calamity-mod-talk
hollow shell
You gonna make a big suggo about it?
or was there a Murasama Embiggening sugg that we gotta 🏁 now
I feel like there was?
serene fox
I don't remember one
dapper coral
i don't see anything in the past year
serene fox
was it from kirn?
hollow shell
Alright 🤷♀️
summer sentinel
murasama change was due to Fab seeing a stream in it from VC I believe, most likely from Xyk or Kirn
glass sentinel
Small Murasama rework suggestion (again), since with spam clicking it's a bit strong but without it's.. Not the best to say the least. (For reference it takes about 7 minutes to kill scal with spam clicking.) this is the kirn murasma sugg?
hollow shell
Aight yeah, unrelated then
dapper coral
he's made a couple iirc, but they weren't related to size so much as general function
glass sentinel
mhm
earnest cape
the murasama size change was in the vc yes
stable harbor
amendment: config option for speed boost
stable harbor
yes
hollow shell
Hmm
stable harbor
in some cases it could be useful
hollow shell
I suppose the suggestion could be that instead
But like
There do already exist options for quick falling which are easier to control
Mounts
summer sentinel
portal gun
crude geode
i usually use NR's fall speed to get down my hellevator easily
NR's fall speed is very weird and not at all what it says on the tin tbh.
golden narwhal
Delete lifesteal 
cobalt pewter
Yeh what they got for Bloodfire bullet is fun
Then they reworked Lacerator the exact same way
hot zephyr
deleting lifesteal is a good sugg idea
hollow shell
I dunno if I'd like that very much, personally
golden narwhal
vamp knives removal when