suggestions-discussion

[cobalt pewter]

[crude geode]

imagine not having the layers memorized

1st layer is approach, 2nd layer is basic houses, 3rd layer is spooky squid+ houses, 4th layer is minibosses and termina

[cobalt pewter]

My memory is better allocated for things than abyss layers

[crude geode]

smh my head

[sleek hornet]

remember the musics

[crude geode]

also, yall say the reaper sharks aren't dangerous, but they also do 352 damage in revengeance and apply some nasty debuffs so like. I blame the iron boots more for allowing you to just nope out of the way of them.

[sleek hornet]

but tbh the musics are descent indicator tho

only real way they do damage to you is just contact damage

[cobalt pewter]

let them throw dumbbells

[crude geode]

no

I find the iron boots more of a problem, since it allows you to just ignore any of the minibosses, not just reaper sharks.

Projectiles don't matter when you can just despawn the enemies.

[sleek hornet]

let them throw dumbbells
imagine a f-ing shark throws a dumbell at you

[crude geode]

[sleek hornet]

and the dumbell also go boing boing

[crude geode]

getting back on topic, I don't think adding environmental hazards helps the fact that the iron boots and abyssal diving gear in general just lets the player swoop in, grab terminus, and easily maneuver around anything thrown at them.

[sleek hornet]

byeah, the movement speed at that point is just no match for them

[crude geode]

Imo that deserves a nerf, more than t4 needing a buff.

[sleek hornet]

exactly

[crude geode]

If I was you, which I am not, that is what I would change my suggestion to

[cobalt pewter]

Blood Moon also suffers from another boring, buffed event post ML

[unique reef]

Summoner: class that struggles the most
Also summoner: continues to get nerfs

[cobalt pewter]

And blood orbs might be a decent point too

[crude geode]

I’m more focused on Deathmode blood orbs and how not rare they are in this suggestion.

I find blood moon to be more...acceptable than the frost and pumpkin moon, as there isn’t really a boss to give new AI or unique things to.

[cobalt pewter]

I'm not sure why didn't they just nerf the blood orb drop rate post ML

I mean they can do it with Acid Rain stuff

[crude geode]

that just makes it pain in general for calamity

[river glen]

summoner dosent really struggle post moon lord

[crude geode]

^

[river glen]

and thats where all the nerfs coming from

plus res butterfly is pretty good late HM

and cold divinit is good early

and vigil is good mid

[cobalt pewter]

Cold Divinity's actually pretty broken due to the fact that summon damage bonuses are applied twice

So it can last a looooong way

Even to late HM

[crude geode]

it’s a leggie

[river glen]

yes it is

a leggie that can carry from early HM to late HM

[cobalt pewter]

I'm p sure other leggies don't last as long as CD

[river glen]

which is not unheard of

but comparing to other legies

like.... wtf is there briny baron

duke -> moon lord

blossom flux plantera -> PBG

[unique reef]

the funny thing is: the Cold Divinity is easy to get due to the famous dupe glitch

[river glen]

yes

u can

[crude geode]

I mean, that’s a glitch.

[fossil finch]

That can be applied to all legendaries lol

[river glen]

i mean thats a glitch thats patched out in 1.4

[cobalt pewter]

Or arma, but the sextuple bags are going away

Byeah, legendaries generally don't last as long as CD does

[unique reef]

i dread the day that they make the legendaries drop from the bosses themselves, and not the bags

[cobalt pewter]

Oh the day will come

[lavish cloak]

Awful

[crude geode]

Wiki doesn’t say anything about cold divinity getting double the bonuses

[unique reef]

there is a version of it for 1.4, but it requires a macro.

[cobalt pewter]

#suggestions-voting message

[swift wharf]

brazil pbg for malachite

[lavish cloak]

I’m fine with challenges tbh

Rewards the player with a strong weapon for fighting the boss with inconveniences

[cobalt pewter]

Wiki doesn’t say anything about cold divinity getting double the bonuses
Hm, I did just notice. Maybe they removed the fact?

[cursive oasis]

Depends on the challenge

[cobalt pewter]

Because I was pretty sure they added the tooltip line about it in .001

[cursive oasis]

Obviously challenges such as death and rev. reward the player

[foggy plover]

it got removed

[cobalt pewter]

Ah cool

[cursive oasis]

but if you mean challenges like using weapons that are underpowered

[cobalt pewter]

When was it?

I never noticed wtf

[crude geode]

The challenges thing is something for the future.

[foggy plover]

last update iirc

[cobalt pewter]

.003 huh

[crude geode]

Also imma just...assume this convo about cold divinity being op and needing a nerf is actually maybe getting turned into a suggestion.

[cobalt pewter]

Well the thing that made it op got removed soooo

[crude geode]

Then this is all off topic

[cobalt pewter]

Anyway

Back to blood orbs

Yes

[crude geode]

Deathmode Blood Orbs need nerfs, that is all-

Also the fact that you can literally place dirt walls and be protected from the vacuum of space is

I feel like at this point the environmental effects of Deathmode should just. be removed.

[cobalt pewter]

You might need to wait for next update if you want to elaborate on smth from #changelogs

Byeah

[crude geode]

I mean, death mode environmental effects have just seen nerf after nerf, reducing their effectiveness ridiculously

[cobalt pewter]

I'm personally fine with the entirety of erasure for death's environmental stuff

[crude geode]

I’m mainly annoyed about the heat, cold, and space and enviornmental hazard effects. Everything else such as new effects for entering water in the jungle and thorns/vines is fine by me, but those have only seen straight nerfs instead of new ways to counter them or interact with them.

well you could say the walls is new but like. that one doesn’t make too much sense in terms of gameplay

[worthy lintel]

I mean, I don't mind areas of the game being softlocked early on

But straight up burning that removes 200 HP per second? Hell nah

[crude geode]

You’re literally in hell.

Molten lava is everywhere around you, everything not made of obsidian is ash or a special hellstone, and there’s hopping molten slimes filled with lava.

[cobalt pewter]

Personally I'd rather seeing the space effects in dmode not affected by players inside of a valid housing instead of simply a wall

[crude geode]

Yeah that would make sense to me.

[cobalt pewter]

But I can't sugg on it until next patch arrives

[worthy lintel]

You can still write the sugg and keep it in a bank for easy copy paste and Discord clout

I mean, I do admit having to dig the Jungle to get maximum allowed height is a tad annoying, but...

[serene fox]

who does that in a normal pt wtf

[worthy lintel]

Actually, a great lot does

[heady storm]

Digging a huge chunk of your jungle out just for room to fight takes forever
If the arena was a little larger, it would save grinding time
Wait what.

[worthy lintel]

Not jinxing you

[serene fox]

thought that was a no-hitter thing

[heady storm]

These lines literally don’t add up.

[worthy lintel]

I think he meant making the arena less tall but wider

[serene fox]

the lines look fine?

wdym

[cursive oasis]

Ok Yharon requires a lot of space to fight cuz obviously he spits fire everywhere

[worthy lintel]

So that he doesn't has to dig as much

[cursive oasis]

so you have to dig down into your jungle to make room

[heady storm]

An arena expansion would just make you dig even more theoretically.

[cursive oasis]

no it wouldn't

it would give you more horizontal space

[tawny garden]

I always thought that the space you're given is enough, without digging

[brittle nexus]

You can also just take jungle blocks somewhere else

[worthy lintel]

Yea but you would dig more to achieve that space

[brittle nexus]

He doesnt enrage

[worthy lintel]

That's where it goes weird

[heady storm]

Then specify what areas you want expanded.

[crude geode]

I’ve never found it too bad. It’s specifically designed the way it is after all

[cursive oasis]

I mean

it's kinda given . . .

[crude geode]

Making your suggestion clearer isn’t a bad thing.

[cursive oasis]

ok I'll make it more specific

[serene fox]

seems clear already

[heady storm]

Not enough, gotta be more specific on what exact parts should be expanded.

[cursive oasis]

There

[worthy lintel]

Still a contradiction imo

[heady storm]

Include it in your title too please.

[crude geode]

@waxen panther reasoning?

[worthy lintel]

Why Dragonfolly

[heady storm]

Hi where’s your reasoning, yeah.

[worthy lintel]

To make him more worthy to fight I guess?

I can't tell

[cursive oasis]

Dragonfolly to Polterghast is a huge jump

[serene fox]

not exactly

but I really don't see the point either

[cursive oasis]

well you have providence and the 3 sentiels

[serene fox]

and folly already has a rage upgrade anyway

[sturdy geyser]

yeah

[heady storm]

Also, nicely done Pico.

[cursive oasis]

Thanks

[waxen panther]

sorry about that

[heady storm]

Byeah on the topic of this new suggestion, you need reasoning and even then it’s pretty weak based off of other factors.

[waxen panther]

fixed it

[worthy lintel]

Don't sweat it too much, you just need to give a reasoning

[cursive oasis]

Does the coldheart icicle affect Yharon and SC?

[serene fox]

I believe it does

[worthy lintel]

Well, yes, but in practice...

[crude geode]

how about just giving dragonfolly a summon weapon

[heady storm]

Specifically summoners though?

[serene fox]

or making rage a useful mechanic

[cursive oasis]

^

[worthy lintel]

Rage is useful if you're true melee

[heady storm]

Rage rework.

[cursive oasis]

I wanna see how good or bad the Zenith is in 1.4 calamity

[serene fox]

that's in the works no?

[waxen panther]

dragonfolly drops weapons for melee, ranged, and magic, and the feather can be used in crafting a rogue accessory

[worthy lintel]

It's been a bashed topic, but Zenith will probably remain busted

[heady storm]

Nah, was just joking around.

[worthy lintel]

Here it boes

[serene fox]

[waxen panther]

so summoners are the only one left out

[cursive oasis]

yes

Summoners get no love

[crude geode]

I mean, moving adrenaline doesn’t really solve that

[worthy lintel]

ahem

[crude geode]

#suggestions-voting message

[worthy lintel]

Fearmonger

[heady storm]

Suggest one, and just maybe Brue.

[cursive oasis]

Summoner civil rights movement now

[crude geode]

No.

[serene fox]

I don't know what exactly I'd suggest but maybe

[worthy lintel]

Anything that doesn't involve having to no-hit is fine

[crude geode]

“Add a way for each class to get rage without getting hit”

[serene fox]

mortis

[cursive oasis]

well the whole point of rage is when you get hit

[crude geode]

true melee would like to argue

[cursive oasis]

well true melee is hard

[ashen warren]

remove rage, it's too situational

[worthy lintel]

Yea but getting hit for 500 dmg to get a 5 seconds damage boost that is inferior to Adrenaline?

lolno

[crude geode]

Yes but rage is packaged with adrenaline, something that every class makes use of.

[cursive oasis]

ye

[crude geode]

Meanwhile rage is only useful for true melee most of the time.

So, adding a way for every class to get rage outside of taking 500 dmg would be good.

[worthy lintel]

I mean, Heart of Darkness exists

If you're willing to sit for 5 minutes

[crude geode]

indeed.

[cursive oasis]

I need to try rogue sometime

[serene fox]

same tbh

[cursive oasis]

I've kinda stayed away from it cuz I hate the fact that some weapons you use and never get back

[worthy lintel]

As a guy who did Rogue twice: careful

Rogue weapons tend to be busted

[cursive oasis]

I don't want to have to craft another 300 throwing daggers every boss fight

Are there decent non-consumable rogue weapons?

[worthy lintel]

At all stages

[crude geode]

A majority of them are.

[cursive oasis]

oh

[worthy lintel]

Pre-boss you have Gleaming Dagger

Which is stupid good

[crude geode]

You pretty much always have at least one non-consumable rogue weapon. More often than not you have more non-consumables than consumables.

But this is getting off topic really.

[cursive oasis]

I looked it up in the wiki channel

Gleaming dagger looks meh but you say it's really good?

[worthy lintel]

Gleaming is a non-consumable, spammable dagger that can stunlock many Pre-HM enemies

And can be acquired literally day 1 if you mine a bit

[serene fox]

(why are we talking about this?)

[worthy lintel]

(He asked me)

[cursive oasis]

(I want to learn about rogue)

[serene fox]

this place gets offtopic a lot

it's awesome

[heady storm]

Non-suggestion chat begone.

[crude geode]

^^

If you don’t suggest something about rage btw Brue, I prolly will.

[serene fox]

cool

[worthy lintel]

Well, nothing stops you

Nobody likes current rage

[serene fox]

yeahhh

[heady storm]

I don’t remember how many people have actually tried to suggest a rage rework however.

[cobalt pewter]

Methinks this one would be the 9th

[foggy plover]

it's gonna happen either way

[cobalt pewter]

I was the 8th with the grazing

[foggy plover]

not really any point in making a sug

[serene fox]

good

[heady storm]

“Frequently suggested.”

[serene fox]

also uh

why does the most recent suggestion have an exclaim

[worthy lintel]

It had no description at all and Chetto forgot to remove it

[serene fox]

it's not the best suggestion but I don't think it's invalid

[worthy lintel]

[foggy plover]

its kinda invalid because folly already has a rev+ upgrade item

[heady storm]

They made it sound like only summoners have a problem currently.

[crude geode]

Also the whole reasoning is Bc summoner doesn’t get anything from it, and like...moving the adrenaline upgrade that effects all classes just is a bandage to the problem.

[worthy lintel]

Not all bosses have to give something to all classes

[foggy plover]

~~fat fuck does summon damage with the homing feathers ~~

[worthy lintel]

BUT

[serene fox]

add a fatfuck summon when

[cobalt pewter]

Soon™ mayhaps

[crude geode]

It already exists wdym, it’s the chicken nugget staff.

[worthy lintel]

Yea, but an inferior, deformed Chicken Staff

[crude geode]

But dragonfolly summoner weapon already has been suggested.

I can’t find it, but it has been brought up.

[serene fox]

t'was by feedzuh iirc

actually there's more than one

[cobalt pewter]

Idk that sugg had kinda bad reasonings so I just yeeted

[crude geode]

Yeah there’s like 5

[cobalt pewter]

But I'm sure there's more ye

[crude geode]

There’s been suggestions before dragonfolly was even called dragonfolly

[radiant meadow]

fat fuck actually does typeless damage, not summon

[frail mantle]

hell, even i suggested a Birb summon weapon at one point

[waxen panther]

i didn't suggestion a new summon weapon because i dont think you're supposed to just ask for new content

so i went with an easily implemented bandaid solution

[radiant meadow]

It's a worse bandaid tbh

[crude geode]

I mean, read the don’ts. Asking for a new summon weapon just cuz “it’d be cool” would be against the rules. Asking for a summon weapon for consistency with the other classes would prolly be fine.

[frail mantle]

just don't ask for an epic uwu-senpai-sama-chan OC weapon of Auric Shadow Ore Soul Fragment tier with a left-click, a right-click, a middle-click, a right face button, a C-Sharp note, and a function involving rubbing your index finger on the trackpad of your laptop in the shape of a dodecahedron and you'll probably be fine

[worthy lintel]

You can achieve that result with Darksun too

Ban Darksun

[crude geode]

That hurt my brain-

[serene fox]

pin it again

[sturdy geyser]

omw to ask for an epic uwu-senpai-sama-chan OC weapon of Auric Shadow Ore Soul Fragment tier with a left-click, a right-click, a middle-click, a right face button, a C-Sharp note, and a function involving rubbing your index finger on the trackpad of your laptop in the shape of a dodecahedron

[ashen warren]

im gonna ask for it leon you cant stop me

[worthy lintel]

Chads ask for a starter item

As all things should be

[serene fox]

I want to suggest to remove all the unnecessary bullshit in gael's greatsword because it has like 11 different fucking mechanics tacked on there for basically no reason, but I'm 99% sure that's exactly what levi wants so fuuuuuuuuuck

[cobalt pewter]

@levi

Why you can only get good rage with gael

Unfair

[worthy lintel]

You can get good rage wtith Draedon's Heart

[robust lava]

Would there really be a reason to remove any of that though? Other than "I feel like its unnecessary?"

[worthy lintel]

Just

Really not as good

[serene fox]

it just annoys me

[worthy lintel]

Are we derailing again

[crude geode]

Vaguely, although Brue is discussing the idea of a suggestion

[serene fox]

ye

[worthy lintel]

But having Levi's consent is going to be hard

UNLESS you show him a very strong and objective argument

[sturdy geyser]

just give levi 11 different weapons for all the different mechanics

[cobalt pewter]

[crude geode]

Looks at the dev Mecha weapon with like 5 things going on with it
hm

[graceful stream]

Meh

[serene fox]

iban's dev weapon has less shit going on tbh

[graceful stream]

Dudes

[sturdy geyser]

yeah

[cobalt pewter]

Though the fact that stealth rogue is viable with flamsteed is brunge

[graceful stream]

Stop with df summoner suggs

[sturdy geyser]

its two attacks, two forms, and flight

thats like three things

[graceful stream]

Who moderates suggestions? Or somethin like that

[serene fox]

moderators

also rover

[worthy lintel]

Guess it's just a task shared between all mods

[cobalt pewter]

I guess rover and mods

[worthy lintel]

And Rover yea

[graceful stream]

Gonna wait for Rover

[crude geode]

What?

[cobalt pewter]

Brav is online if you need him

[graceful stream]

Legit gonna ask to include dragonfolly summoner suggs to be a don't

[crude geode]

[serene fox]

it could be put in frequently suggested I suppose

[sturdy geyser]

is that really necessary

[cobalt pewter]

I'd probably say you can ask rover to include it into the frequently suggest

[crude geode]

^

[sturdy geyser]

frequently suggested could make sense i guess

[graceful stream]

Yeah but

[crude geode]

Frequently suggested makes sense.

[cobalt pewter]

Altho let's be real here, no one reads docs, even if that's a don't

[worthy lintel]

Is it THAT suggested though

[graceful stream]

No

[cobalt pewter]

I think 4 or 5 including mine which was deleted because it was brunge

[graceful stream]

It's not that frequent

[crude geode]

Don’ts are like...usually more severe than something that’s actually valid and has gotten a green check in the past.

Such as yharim

[worthy lintel]

Yharim suggs

[graceful stream]

The point is, folly summoner thing is in plans already and it isn't to be suggested

It's almost guaranteed in fact

[robust lava]

Then it's just a blue checkmark, or the new 🛠️ reaction, it doesn't need to be a don't

[crude geode]

^^^^^

[graceful stream]

Ah, fine then

Also folly has rage upgrade so

[fossil finch]

Yeah just about to say that

[crude geode]

rage upgrade lol

[serene fox]

[crude geode]

As if summoner could use that.

[graceful stream]

Yeah

Rage needs a rework

[crude geode]

Mhm. Also been discussed.

[fossil finch]

Just build up rage with heart of darkness

[crude geode]

No.

[cobalt pewter]

In fact

Rage rework might need to be put into frequently suggested instead

Since it's been like 8 times suggested now

[crude geode]

I don’t think it has been though, to be completely honest.

Lemme look-

[cobalt pewter]

Okay, that's the number I last remembered

[crude geode]

I saw a couple like 4 months ago.

They were all in this burst tbh.

[worthy lintel]

Bro just buff True Melee it will buff rage too

[serene fox]

delete true melee iirc

[cobalt pewter]

Oh yeah huh

I didn't remember my own sugg was at August

[crude geode]

Yeah true melee is (partially) dead.

[graceful stream]

Folly discussion ended, ok bye

[crude geode]

And it’s corpse resides within melee

[cobalt pewter]

True melee isn't happening without redefining vanilla's melee and bosses

[worthy lintel]

You would need to give melee absurdly high DR and pretty much make all melees Fetid Baghnakhs

Not happening in our timeline

[cobalt pewter]

glad I'm doing that myself

Byech

[crude geode]

Anyways, I Hope rage reworks are coming down the pipeline

[worthy lintel]

they are

[serene fox]

chill dude did say they were coming

hopefully soon

[cobalt pewter]

The classic Soon™

[worthy lintel]

Along with Game Design™️

[crude geode]

Hopefully

Anyways I must go now.

[serene fox]

alright cya

[cobalt pewter]

Cya

#suggestion-discussion did become caltalk 2

[serene fox]

it does that a lot yes

It's also why i frequent this channel

it's caltak but not ass

[worthy lintel]

Because caltalk is horrible

[cobalt pewter]

Fair assessment, I'm juggling between suggs or gentalk lately, sometimes dropping through other mods

[zenith hazel]

you’re aware of it, yet you’re prolonging it

[cobalt pewter]

Either way

For the Yharon arena sugg, I don't really see the problem with current arena

[worthy lintel]

Well, huh, unless you're on a large world

[cobalt pewter]

Though to be fair I do see the infernados a lot

[worthy lintel]

Taking advantage of maximum height requires a lot of digging

Maybe the bordernadoes could sway less

A bit

[serene fox]

that is annoying yes

[ashen warren]

or not sway at all

but i dont know

[cobalt pewter]

I can see the width of the arena increased to 220 from center to either side

So that it could primarily account for the swaying nados

But not really increasing the size of the arena too much

[worthy lintel]

woah there, a 440 blocks large arena? Won't that be too large?

[ashen warren]

can we all at least agree that yharon's tornadoes should be resprited to something better rather than just being a recolored version of dukes projectiles

also 440 is huge lol

[serene fox]

they are being resprited yes

[cobalt pewter]

Actually there would be a resprite

[radiant meadow]

They aren't even recolored duke projectiles

[grim tusk]

Fetid Emesis is just SDFMG material 😔

https://youtu.be/ooWksxmvmUc
shameless plug also rip bloodflare core

[cobalt pewter]

The flip

[unreal viper]

p1?

do p2 and i'll be impressed

[grim tusk]

Tried ph2 but thats a tricky one the walls are a big issue

Would a nohit work as a replacement?

[winged linden]

dark spark melts

[grim tusk]

Melee melts with lion heart, ranger with that, mage has spark and eliodic wail, summoner has sirius, energy staff and rogue has valediction

[winged linden]

also phantasmal fury for mage

lagged my game tho

so i didnt use it

[hollow shell]

@waxen panther You should at least mention Red Lightning Container in your suggestion, what'll become of that?

[violet minnow]

^

[river glen]

why would adredaline be moved

onto dragonfolly

that just makes melting bosses easier

dragonfolly needs better loot

since all of it is meh at best

well

the folly feed is its best by a mile

[ashen warren]

does he?

[cobalt pewter]

Yes he does

[frail mantle]

i think he does

[gentle chasm]

what else could i possibly say?

[frail mantle]

you could provide a video that shows there's a noticeable difference in volume between the Strikers and other weapons

[robust lava]

You could say that the sound is either distracting, or drowns out other important sounds, or whatever the issue you are having with it is

[gentle chasm]

i don't possess a recording software
and good point

[cobalt pewter]

Uhhhh

[frail mantle]

soon™️

[wooden wedge]

@arctic moth yharim's coming in the future

and remember to read the pinned donts doc

[arctic moth]

Ohhhhhhh

[wooden wedge]

because that broke several sugg rules

[arctic moth]

so sorry

[tawny garden]

fuck is the bot drunk again

[dapper coral]

excellent

now this might just be me being cursed as usual

so i'll give it a little time

[tawny garden]

or maybe

the bot doesn't allow people to vote

because there is a bigger vote going on

[dapper coral]

[summer sentinel]

yes the bot is holding a really important vote somewhere else, more important than this of course

[violet dagger]

Wonder who the bot is voting for

[tawny garden]

what, do you not like my stupid joke

[violet dagger]

:echsad: maybe

[tawny garden]

what's weird is that

if I add a ❗ reaction to one of the bad suggs

it removes it

so the bot is only half dead

[violet dagger]

what if thats just you getting rate limited

[tawny garden]

byeah @ashen warren the bot can't copy and paste a sugg again

what if thats just you getting rate limited
wh

[violet dagger]

[tawny garden]

there is no rate limit in the discord api

in MediaWiki api, there is though

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https://discord.com/developers/docs/resources/channel#embed-limits

fyi crap

[gleaming spade]

do you guys think my suggesting is any good.

[tawny garden]

it's fine

[sleek turret]

its fine I guess.

[dapper coral]

oop, modnotifs thought that discord link was an invite

[tawny garden]

oh lol

that bot is also managed by Amber?

[summer sentinel]

yes

[dapper coral]

she manages most bots here

[summer sentinel]

super dummy settings sounds, horrifying to work with given the nature of super dummies

but the suggestion is fine yes

[tawny garden]

it only needs to detect discord.gg
and not other links

don't tell me this message was also caught by modnotifs

[summer sentinel]

should I just post the 2 ready to go suggs in voting Demik?

[tawny garden]

I'd wait tbh

[dapper coral]

nah wait

the bot isn't down, it's just doing some shenanigans

[tawny garden]

it's not down, it's high

[gleaming spade]

super dummy settings sounds, horrifying to work with given the nature of super dummies
@summer sentinel what do you mean? I dont see what the issue is.

[summer sentinel]

Well super dummies have been known to be a little... wonky and weird to handle and fix, that’s all

[gleaming spade]

oh, I see.

oh, completely unrelated but, I like your pfp on your alt and your main account.

[tawny garden]

(the name is a joke)

[summer sentinel]

thanks and (yes it is)

[tawny garden]

revealed

(real)

[gleaming spade]

(which one)

[summer sentinel]

(you’ll see when I change back), consider going back to suggestions now

[gleaming spade]

sory

So, about how my idea could be implemented, I feel like it'd be pretty simple,

[violet minnow]

it would be a nice QoL change, but would probably be a big pain to dev

[gleaming spade]

Some action, maybe right clicking when no dummies are present,

would open some sort of settings menu, with damage reduction, defense, and debuff immunity.

[violet minnow]

probably similar to flamesteed ring menu

[tawny garden]

oh, like the Astral Arcanum?

[violet minnow]

but the work to devolp and impliment that could take months

[tawny garden]

UI is also pain iirc

[gleaming spade]

makes sense,

I still think this would be a cool thing to be implemented

but at the same time I completely understand if the devs dont bother to do it

[civic pond]

hmm

[zenith hazel]

@hollow shell did you already report to amber about how the auto/manual sugg approving thing is broken?

[tawny garden]

I pinged her

[river glen]

hmm

i had an idea

to have an item

that hsould be hard to get

to give a x amount of xp for the proficiency

[cobalt pewter]

SIS?

[river glen]

it should be optainable very late into post moon lord

[cobalt pewter]

Also #changelogs in case of upcoming proficiency changes

[rose jewel]

This suggestion was rejected by devs recently but you could try again

The sharpening station one

[worthy lintel]

Rogues don't need such a buff, they're already busted enough

[sleek hornet]

rogue have all thing that players need (distance, damage, defense, lifesteal etc) and two different playstyle

[cobalt pewter]

One required to suck

Guess which

[glass sentinel]

the sharpening sugg has already been made

and was canceled right?

[serene fox]

denied yeah

[real steppe]

yeah, tho ngl I would love that suggestion to get approved

[half mortar]

It makes a great deal of sense

[hollow sierra]

i think it would be cooler if rogue had its own buff station

[sleek hornet]

but it will be an SIS

[unreal viper]

Not if it’s not specific

Vague item Suggs can get through

Just ask for a rogue station

[sleek hornet]

ah yes

[summer sentinel]

I like this suggestion, just will say that

[dapper coral]

whas chum bucket

[glass sentinel]

same

oh demik

you really havent done 1.4 have you

dont blame you

[dapper coral]

nosir

[glass sentinel]

its a thing you chuck into water while fishing to get more bites or something

[sleek hornet]

plankton's restaurant

[dapper coral]

oh i see

[glass sentinel]

https://terraria.gamepedia.com/Chum_Bucket

i dont want it to embed lol

[dapper coral]

lol

okay so basically IHS wants this to work like the voodoo doll right

[glass sentinel]

oh right

that exists

except without brutally murdering an npc

[sleek hornet]

but making it dissapear when throwed into water kinda tricky tho

[dapper coral]

perhaps, but that sort of thing is up to the devs to figure out

[glass sentinel]

yea

[dapper coral]

in a purely conceptual way, this is probably fine

[glass sentinel]

we throw hard things at them

let em figure it out

we're the angry god and the devs are the prophets. we dont care how its done just that it is done

jk, i love you devs

[dapper coral]

@unreal viper maybe you wanna reference the voodoo doll-esque method in there instead for those who aren't familiar with the chum bucket, kinda up to you but everything else is fine

[hollow shell]

(you could add that it would simply be more interesting than just using an item like every other boss)

[real steppe]

I agree with that seafood suggestion

[golden narwhal]

More non-generic boss summoning is always pog

[keen oxide]

has there been suggested a prismatic like dye, but that cycles though the trans flag or the lesbian colors (or others)

[sleek hornet]

#suggestions-voting message i know its really late but he drops mushroom if the poblem is shrooms farming

[frail mantle]

no

and i don't think something like a trans flag dye would fit in this mod, even if it would be nice

[gray nebula]

alternatively renaming celestial tracers could work

because yeah an early hardmode having a name like this is a bit odd

[sleek hornet]

early hardmode?

[radiant meadow]

I think he means early post moon lord?

[cobalt pewter]

Iban's a bit confused, but he got the spirit

[sleek hornet]

[gray nebula]

yeah uh what

I'm talking about

what wait fuck

forgot the final boots were the celestial ones I confused em with the angelic oneq

but I mean atm the name evolution makes sense then, u got angel > high angel > celestial

[hexed ore]

Can I just say

Does anyone actually like blood orb farming?

[summer sentinel]

perhaps, it just takes time to do but worth it due to its varied usage

[hexed ore]

Well yeah, the blood orbs are good but I've never enjoyed doing the farming part of it

[mossy badge]

bruh

wat

you dont loive shredding through blood moons?????

wtf?

[heady storm]

Not everyone should feel obligated to.

[mossy badge]

i find it rlly satisfying

i mean yeah thats true

[hexed ore]

I just dont like grinding, period

I get bored with it easily and it makes games boring

[summer sentinel]

well you can grind for it but not required but its options for potions for example are the main reason as to why people do it

you can also just blood moon fish too for xerocdiles

[hexed ore]

I mainly get blood orbs for Bloodflare and nothing else

Since Auric Tesla and all that

[summer sentinel]

that suggestion would take a lot of work to do i would imagine for parrys but the idea has been thrown around a bit before

[cobalt pewter]

implying hooks aren't useful

My man

Have you seen Bobbit

Also "it could be epic!" isn't a valid reasoning

[summer sentinel]

introducing parrys is basically an entirely new mechanic to add, making it a bit well, difficult to just implement for devs

[cobalt pewter]

[heady storm]

Why should this be in calamity specifically.

@regal jackal provide reasoning for what I just said please.

[regal jackal]

Because idk if relogic could listen my idea

And because i think some classes dont have the chance to fight back

[summer sentinel]

well it won’t get added to vanilla that’s for certain, though I’m confused what you mean by weaker frames

[heady storm]

Any other mod could apply to that.

[regal jackal]

More like moments when you can stun them

[summer sentinel]

It’s just a bit, impractical to add something that new of a mechanic since it’d introduce more problems and I see, okay

[regal jackal]

Any other mod could apply to that.
@heady storm yeah but the calamity devs have a lot of experience

[tawny garden]

that doesn't mean it should be in the mod

cause you could say the same thing about Re-Logic devs

for example

[summer sentinel]

relogic will never do that anyways

[cobalt pewter]

if bees from Beehives can damage even invincible NPCs, I have no faith on that being added

RedCode™ momentum

[tawny garden]

[cobalt pewter]

So yeah, provide a proper reasoning for your sugg or say bye bye to your sugg

🔫

[tawny garden]

water gun

[regal jackal]

Dam

[cobalt pewter]

Ah yes water gun

Wrong arsenal, whatevs

Point is

Reasoning should be added past "it'd be epic"

[regal jackal]

My ideas are more for a balancing idea in general, calamity adds a lot of gestión in combats so maybe make an space to attack between the prosecucion in boss fights could make it more manageable

Sorry for the english, it's not my mother language

[summer sentinel]

it's fine, I can see where you're coming from but you might want to reword your suggestion a little bit although just, overall, adding parry would be an entirely new mechanic to add that'd need to be tested in boss fights and mob interactions extensively, making it a bit of work to implement

[cobalt pewter]

Isn't something with high effort a don't tho, lauren?

[regal jackal]

Yeah, maybe the term parry IT's not the exact thing, more like an stamina break for the bosses?

[cobalt pewter]

Even tho this isn't boss tier high effort

[heady storm]

This only sounds like it would be a high effort so far.

[tawny garden]

Isn't something with high effort a don't tho, lauren?
nah this exact thing isn't too high effort imo

[summer sentinel]

generally yes Feedzuh due to the time involvement that would be used to make it happen and the amount of testing that would need to happen to fix it

[tawny garden]

but the whole definition is blurry

[summer sentinel]

this isn't specifically high effort in its normal form no, but to have it implemented and work correctly? that is what would take a lot of time

[regal jackal]

A stamina break could be more easy, only land the bosses in certain moments take a attack or "hook attack" and fall to the ground some seconds

[heady storm]

You need to be much more clearer than that, I’m only able to infer that you just stop the boss from attacking for sometime.

[cobalt pewter]

I still disagree that hooks aren't as useful as you proposed

[regal jackal]

Yeah, something Like that but in some especifica specific moments

[cobalt pewter]

They're immensely useful as mobility tool

But I can just not star it, so my opinion isn't too relevant to the actual sugg

[regal jackal]

They're immensely useful as mobility tool
@cobalt pewter yeah but with the wings i think they keep in the back a lot, they are for dash exploits or keep grabed into walls

[summer sentinel]

just reword the suggestion if you can Kinev to convey your point more clearly and with some more reasoning if applicable and we'll go from there

[regal jackal]

In the suggestion posting ?

[summer sentinel]

yeah, if you may

[regal jackal]

Ok

[heady storm]

Obviously there.

[cobalt pewter]

Edit your sugg, make sure not to make a new one

[regal jackal]

I'm a little newby here

[heady storm]

It’s fine, you’ll learn with time here.

[regal jackal]

[fiery rapids]

the idea you have for grapping hook parries seems more like something that would be in weapons out

[regal jackal]

Ready

I think i clarify the best i can

[summer sentinel]

okay that's better than the last post yes, but I won't remove the ❗ yet because I want some others to see it and also due to it being well, the addition of a new mechanic entirely

[regal jackal]

Okay, ty for take me in count

I love that

[hot zephyr]

Boss slows/stuns sound like a slippery slope

Nor am I sure which class "needs" it other than True Melee

[summer sentinel]

(they might be referring to summoner too perhaps)

[hot zephyr]

But true melee is literally a footnote in the melee class and probably doesn't need a new mechanic

[summer sentinel]

that's my only other guess besides true melee yeah

[cobalt pewter]

But true melee is literally a footnote in the melee class and probably doesn't need a new mechanic

[hot zephyr]

Summoner does not need it, Calamity has really good summon AI

[regal jackal]

Yeah, true melee not gonna lie

[hot zephyr]

Look at Belladonna staff/Herrings. Those things are literally heat seeking missiles

[regal jackal]

The swords whithout proyectiles doesn't have any chance

And thinking Like the tank of the game maybe it could make sense that he could stun the enemys

[hot zephyr]

True melee is like the crux of most cheese builds; if you think the subclass is bad you haven't seen Mantis Claws memes

[summer sentinel]

I mean that's fair, true melee is a bit of an "issue" by just the nature of how it is basically, like you'd have to be tanky enough to withstand doing it, which makes it niche

[cobalt pewter]

That's why you amplify true melee damage bonuses to make it less risky to work with

[hot zephyr]

IMO the only time true melee really "struggles" to hit a boss would be like.... yharon?

[cobalt pewter]

I appreciate the bonuses on Yharim's Insignia and the gloves

Yharon does a lot of position locks yes

[hot zephyr]

I guess the golem head

[cobalt pewter]

And you'll die trying to consistently hit him during BH

[hot zephyr]

But then you could just hit the body

[regal jackal]

Eye of cthullu in expert (?

[cobalt pewter]

Yeah true melee can just def skip the head and go straight to body

They'll have no chance with head

[hot zephyr]

EoC isn't very hard to hit in expert+ due to the dashes

I also don't think a boss stun would be added seeing as there's a lot of enemy stuns that the devs made sure don't work on bosses

ie; tesla potions

[cobalt pewter]

Also it can be abused for, you guessed it, non true melee

[summer sentinel]

scal true melee is harder to do than yharon true melee because yharon has "sitting still" phases you can hit him in

[hot zephyr]

And when bosses' main gimmick is charging (EoC, duke, Yharon) would be trivialized by grinding them to a halt

[heady storm]

“Specifically in vanilla” makes it sound like an issue that’s only present there @regal jackal.

[regal jackal]

yeah...

i think that could be a double blade mechanic in some cases

like idk the devourer sending a flame burst after being stunned

[ashen warren]

is this like knockback stun lock with skeletrons head?

[summer sentinel]

that's true Ian, even if the stun isn't for long, it can arise issues of it being potentially too good

no it's slightly different than that

[hot zephyr]

Overall, if true melee is to be more viable I feel like what it needs most are movement accessories and higher stat boosts.

[pine star]

I think true melee needs to be able to actually hit the boss without getting hit(or needs to be able to tank)

[hot zephyr]

Maybe instead of parrys/blocks, True Melee gets lunge attacks

These attacks could be like a charge; but only for true melee weapons

I think true melee tanking will never be viable in the way other classes are because of the fact it's (almost) impossible to charge adrenaline

[cobalt pewter]

Actually globalized parry system (from Brand) could work for true melee

In my opinion

[hot zephyr]

Maybe a rage rework will help true melee, but only time will tell

[cobalt pewter]

Byeah, higher stat boosts for specifically true melee would be nice

Brand opens up a whole possibility of true melee enhancements imo

[hot zephyr]

I feel like encouraging facetanking is kinda but more mobility options for TM would be nice

[cobalt pewter]

Since if globalized and adjusted a lil, it could be a prime defensive feature for true melee

[hot zephyr]

Imagine an any-direction true melee charge

HK pogoing in Terraria

[pine star]

PoP in terraria

[summer sentinel]

pogoing in 1.4™️

There's no current plans of a rage rework just to say

[terse sundial]

On the contrary

There is a rage rework in development

[cobalt pewter]

smh lauren fake infos

[terse sundial]

It won't be out for a while ofc, but there is one being planned

[summer sentinel]

I was not aware of this

[regal jackal]

slowdown enemys with true melee damage in rage mode

(?

[hot zephyr]

@summer sentinel stinky

[summer sentinel]

whoops!

[hot zephyr]

[regal jackal]

[hot zephyr]

I've spent too much time in the Fabstream I'm like 7 updates ahead of ya'll

but that's off-topic

[sleek turret]

[summer sentinel]

go back to suggesting things I think I have a suggestion I want to make, but it's a little.... eh to make

[sleek hornet]

#suggestions-voting message i know its really late but he drops mushroom if the poblem is shrooms farming
guys?

[summer sentinel]

yeah since it's been approved, it's been sent to the dev server and being looked at

[bold wave]

About my suggestion, I don't get why it's odd to have some early Post-ML boots labeled Celestial, since most things with that label are either late HM or early Post-ML (like Pillars, Reaper, Shell, Onion and Jewel)

because yeah an early hardmode having a name like this is a bit odd
@gray nebula

(he meant early Post-ML)

[ashen warren]

Scal NPC?

[sleek turret]

No.

And maybe never.

[ashen warren]

how come

[summer sentinel]

SCal is planning to have a human sprite but she isn't getting turned into an npc, no

[ashen warren]

i think after killing Yharim, therefore freeing her, it could be cool

okay i see

whats the human sprite going to look like

ive seen two different designs for her

[sleek turret]

Uh, its not confirmed but I kinda predict is going to be the one that appears on the SCal's theme on DM Dokuro's video.

[ashen warren]

hm\

there was this one picture on the sub that i thought said it was the canon appearance of herf

this one

[pine star]

Yeah

The pic has been posted in lore discussion a lot

[sleek turret]

it really depends on Fabsol & the Dev team choise really.

otherwise that is the pic that most people are thinking of.

[ashen warren]

yeah

i like this design a ton

whatever they go with will be good though

they pretty damn good at designing stuff

[summer sentinel]

that image of SCal is "concept art" so to say of what her human sprite is planned to be, more or less, but it's subject to change

[hot zephyr]

i'm pretty sure the scal NPC is post-scal pre-yharim but don't quote me

[gray nebula]

thus image is real :tm;

canon

it's not the one on dok's video

[robust lava]

Wasn't there an album of concept art somewhere, or is that no longer public? I can't find it

[sharp prism]

yes

https://imgur.com/a/LCptvCL

[tawny garden]

[ashen warren]

nice

[robust lava]

Yeah that's it

[ashen warren]

what color scheme would draedon have

[violet minnow]

gray

[tawny garden]

what color scheme would draedon have
he will be draedon-colored

[radiant meadow]

and would someone care to explain how this relates to suggestions?

[tawny garden]

it doesn't

[violet minnow]

I have a counter argument for the tracer swap suggestion. Celestial tracers sprite is a reference to Drews wings, which are used in their crafting. They also have a bit of orange, which is from the aurc tesla bars used in them as well. Seraph tracers have the blue-green from luminite, and even elysian tracers inherent the purple from cosmolite. Loong story short, each of the tracers sprites represent the most important item used to craft them, so swaping the sprites would break this, and there for no longer have the clear progression they do currently.

[radiant meadow]

They want to swap the name,s not the sprites

So current Seraph Tracers still look and function the same but are now called Celestial Tracers
Current Celestial would look and function the same but now be called Seraph Tracers

[violet minnow]

well that makes 10 times more sense

[bold wave]

Yeah, that's what I thought

[river glen]

hmm i had a suggestion

about making PBG less aggressive underground jungle

while being as aggressive on surface

so u dont have to carve out a massive box to fight him

[frail mantle]

her

also iirc her enrage is being tweaked next update so probably wait until next update drops

[dapper coral]

it is

[river glen]

yes

but it should feel alright to fight her above ground and easier underground

have you seen PBG arenas

that people in VC use

its so fucking massive

u shouldnt have to spend so much time

making an arena

for some bosses like provi, yharon and DOG

sure

[ashen warren]

yeah i gotta still dig out like half my jungle

like you just gotta make your arena be the surface

so why not just make the fight on the surface???

[hollow sierra]

sometimes your surface jungle gets overtaken by the evil

and its not easy to convert back because it turns the mud into dirt

[ashen warren]

yeah but jungle doesnt matter for any fight

just gotta be underground

[hollow sierra]

but that means you have to dig out a space big enough to fight something like yharon

and at the same time keep it as a jungle?

i'll never understand why backwalls don't count as part of a biome

[glass sentinel]

so essentially the newest sugg is “Put more hollow knight in calamity”

hk bosses have staggers snd parries

[violet minnow]

you always have enough mobility

most of the time too much

[glass sentinel]

mhm

scals an example

[violet minnow]

for pre-hm and early hm use bob

then upgrade to moab

then use wings of your choice

then the tracers

[frail mantle]

reminder that HK and Terraria are very different games

[glass sentinel]

also how the fuck would you code staggers for some of the bosses

[violet minnow]

if thats not enough there is always movement accesories

staggers would be hard to code

[golden narwhal]

I mean, I wouldn't think so

[violet minnow]

in hk the bosses were designed with them
you would need to rebalance every single boss in the game

[golden narwhal]

Just have the boss stop attacking

[glass sentinel]

not really?

[violet minnow]

well yah, but then what about stagger stacking? what if you could just always keep the boss stunned

[regal jackal]

in hk the bosses were designed with them
you would need to rebalance every single boss in the game
@violet minnow or make it for some specific bosses (?

[glass sentinel]

i mean the guy wanted the boss to lay on the ground

and you cant make that look bad

[golden narwhal]

Well yea, but a standard stagger effect wouldn't be too hard

[regal jackal]

yeah, more like you hit them so hard that you send them to ground

[glass sentinel]

wont happen

breaks flow of fight

[violet minnow]

it would also probably only be a early pre hm mechanic even if it was added

[glass sentinel]

and yes im on mobile so fuck typing

[regal jackal]

f

[violet minnow]

the only boss which i can think it would be helpful with is pbg

[glass sentinel]

also examples for which bosses will need rebalancing? every single one

[golden narwhal]

Tbh it'd only be beneficial for true melee

Not OD

[glass sentinel]

and healing

regen rather

[regal jackal]

maybe you could make a timer when the boss lay on the ground and make it scale with the difficult

normal 5 seconds, expert 3, revegeance 2...

[glass sentinel]

well once again it breaks the flow

yes

whoops

[golden narwhal]

That short amount of time seems like-yea

[glass sentinel]

fuck mobile

[regal jackal]

and make the boss spawn minions while in the ground

[violet minnow]

even if we could balance it not having recovery or movement is a trash arguement

[golden narwhal]

Wouldn't be beneficial for what you suggest

[regal jackal]

that's some ideas i have to balance it

[violet minnow]

you always have enough movemnent

[glass sentinel]

so now not hollow knight, but lost kin in particular

[tawny garden]

fuck mobile
calamity na telefonie moment

[glass sentinel]

sigh

[violet minnow]

na telefonie
englesk

[golden narwhal]

It works in other games because of how stuff like healing works in those games

And attacking to an extent

[glass sentinel]

and fights

the fights are balanced around giving the player a few seconds to wack the boss

[golden narwhal]

The only time I've really seen some sort of stagger work in Terraria is OD (which is more of an exhaust, byea) and MoR's janitor guy
Which is because they both have high defensive stuff and the staggers remove said defense

[pine star]

Yeah

OD is just like "exhausted panting"

[zenith hazel]

don't think the nohit role colors are gonna get changed anytime soon, let alone ever

because the ones that got the roles first picked those specifically colors for their roles

[violet minnow]

ooh didnt know that

ill delete the sugg

[gray nebula]

[hot zephyr]

~~No hit roles get deleted from the server ~~

[gray nebula]

yea thank god making dead inside pop would be ugly

[violet minnow]

not that color, like a different color that pops more

but the sugg is gone now

[hot zephyr]

[violet minnow]

its an expert mode addition but i 100% agree

[distant gyro]

the addition in preparation for the abomination of lava slimes

[violet minnow]

if the sugg isnt accepted i might try my hand at modding, in an attempt to remove them

[golden narwhal]

Would this be fixed in 1.4, since iirc the sand turning into blocks was removed there

[frail mantle]

it wasn't

[golden narwhal]

fuck

[frail mantle]

only thing that changed about Antlions after 1.3 was its sprite and it dropping Banana Splits

[regal jackal]

pls change the sand lions

[dapper blaze]

free sand

[regal jackal]

[dapper blaze]

besides, last I checked, antlions use the same sand proj as regular sand

[tawny garden]

sand machines

and therefore free glass

[dapper blaze]

meaning that you'd have to some finicking with their AI

[tawny garden]

and infinite potions

[dapper blaze]

to make them fire their own sand projectiles that don't place sand if you want to keep regular sand mechanics

[hot zephyr]

Do you think a sugg for increasing the spawn rate of sea snails would be a good idea?

[tawny garden]

yes.

[hot zephyr]

The HM ocean is so bloated with new enemies by the time you craft the absorber farming for sea snails is an absolute pain

[regal jackal]

Earth patch: 10000000000000.005

sea snails spawn increased

[tawny garden]

why so late tho

[regal jackal]

because the snail eating build was too weak

[dapper blaze]

snail eating

[regal jackal]

eating snail

[plain river]

Sandlions bad and you can’t change my mind

Besides infinite potions are what alchnpc is for

[dapper blaze]

no one's denying that they're annoying

but fixing them would be more trouble than it's worth imo

it wouldn't exactly be super challenging ig

but leaving them alone would be smarter

[regal jackal]

maybe could increase his damage/dps to compensate that (?

[dapper blaze]

doubt there's much compensation to be done

(if you're referring to antlions)

[distant gyro]

replace sand with lava as compensation

[plain river]

Or you could just make it spit out like 3 sand blocks instead of a whole fucking stack of 9999

[regal jackal]

replace sand with lava as compensation
@distant gyro This but in revegeance mode

[distant gyro]

[regal jackal]

[plain river]

That wouldn’t eliminate the problem but it would make it less annoying

[pine star]

[distant gyro]

it will make it more annoying because it can't be easily cleaned actually

[plain river]

ok true

[distant gyro]

also make the sand glob suffocate

easy compensation

[plain river]

it already does

If you get caught under it

It makes you suffocate

[golden narwhal]

Wrong channel?

[plain river]

And if you don’t have a lot of health bc ur in a coop you just die instantly

[cosmic jungle]

Why are we in sugg disc

[plain river]

Also why do you have 2 dashing accessories?

[distant gyro]

the suffocation only applies by the block

so if there's no block then it can be added itself

[plain river]

That would be an interesting challenge

Instead of “haha fuck your desert”

It would be “hey don’t get hit”

[real steppe]

oh, the Crabulon buff got rejected..

[crude geode]

rip

[sleek hornet]

cause crabulon drops mushroom anyway

astral monolith pillar spawns on top of my dungeon again

[crude geode]

I mean you could say the same thing about astrum deus and aureus not needing a buff bc the pillars already drop fragments

[zealous ridge]

i mean... kind of?

[sleek hornet]

idk, the main reason why people dontlike farming shroomite is because the shroom farm\\

[zealous ridge]

at least aureus has the bean

[crude geode]

and actually has a buff

[zealous ridge]

ys

[zenith hazel]

aureus doesn't even drop fragments anymore though

[summer sentinel]

^only deus does

[crude geode]

oh my b

[summer sentinel]

although a post ML deus buff I'm for tbh

[distant gyro]

Aureus doesn't get a buff

and Deus drops it anytime

(pre-cultist fragments are possible)

[summer sentinel]

when did the aureus no buff get changed

[distant gyro]

but you can only make super healing pots

better than nothing i guess

[crude geode]

when did that even get changed?

[dapper coral]

Aureus doesn't get a buff
wiki says he still do

[distant gyro]

oh yeah he still does

I meant Aureus doesn't drop frags to compensate for the buff

only the Bean

[zealous ridge]

yes

i believe tis been mentioned a few times

how its weird that he gets a buff for one item

[distant gyro]

Deus dropping frags is still unconditional though

so the title sounds weird

[crude geode]

god this confused me for a moment
well it's bc I'm a boomer altix

[distant gyro]

Removing Deus dropping fragments postml is the same as removing Deus dropping fragments in general

[summer sentinel]

I'd say keep deus dropping fragments and just mention a postml buff to AD since it is a little odd that only aureus has that happen to him, though the bean item is dedicated so there's that too

[zealous ridge]

ok so clarifying
deus always drops fragments and doesnt get buffed post-ml
aureus never drops fragments but gets a buff post-ml for the bean mount

[summer sentinel]

yes

[distant gyro]

remove aureus natural postml buff and make it a reward for beating aureus in 10x hp config

now that's a suggestion

[zealous ridge]

[distant gyro]

manual work for rewards

[summer sentinel]

no one will find that out altix

[crude geode]

I mean, considering the fact that Deus was fought in intended progression literally right before ML, buffing him feels....unnecessary tbh.

that's still one of the most frustrating things to me

[distant gyro]

also counterpoint: psc challenge

and the idea that legendaries drop from challenges have been suggested as a whole

[crude geode]

~~bean's a legendary? ~~

[distant gyro]

psc's not a legendary either

[zealous ridge]

well i probably wouldnt go about a challenge system like that through configs (or no indication besides just doing it)

[crude geode]

^

[zealous ridge]

unless i misunderstand