suggestions-discussion

[gray nebula]

its kinda like early HM DSA but for summoners

[sturdy geyser]

make it an accessory

it would be better™️

[hollow sierra]

So you just make all lore items accessory tier but with downsides 3 times as large as DSA

[ashen warren]

wouldnt it be easier to just remove all the lore boosts and lore items in general

lazy I know but easiest solution

[gray nebula]

well no keep lore items because lore™️

[swift wharf]

not the lore item itself

[gray nebula]

my solution was removing the stat boosts BUT you give them cool aesthetic effects

[ashen warren]

lore can stay in the bestiary I guess

[hollow shell]

mmmmmm bestiary

[swift wharf]

it's either remove the boosts or make some of them interesting aka the cooler option

[gray nebula]

oh true theres the bestiary coming

[sturdy geyser]

the thing is beastiary wouldn't have yharim's perspective

[hollow shell]

It would be nice to have an objective-POV bestiary and Yharim-POV lore items
For maximum lore
cuz we could use some more lore in the game, we got a lot of it not in the game

[hollow sierra]

some of them are also handy for farming certain areas without getting bosses on you

[swift wharf]

that is true

the thing is beastiary wouldn't have yharim's perspective
^

[sturdy geyser]

it could add more nuance as you see the facts and how yharim views it

deeper immersion, better writing, all that

[ashen warren]

there are those draedon logs which you can interact to show a pop up on the screen with texts right?

yeah you guys could maybe do something like that

for lores

[hollow sierra]

what would yharim lore say

[hollow shell]

"I'm dead. Good job."

[sturdy geyser]

poggers!!!

[hollow sierra]

[swift wharf]

it's I, the edgy teenager man

[hollow shell]

Uh yeah I guess we could make lore items be pop-up windows

iunno if that's really necessary

[gray nebula]

It's yharim's will

[hollow shell]

but

we could

[dapper coral]

"I'm dead. Good job."
SIKE yharim 2

[ashen warren]

like a lore book lets say

[cobalt pewter]

because replacing the tiny stat boosts by visuals is cool but then it would kinda kill the spawn remover ones which are useful and cool
@gray nebula limit the suggs to boss suggs then ig

Boss lores*

[gray nebula]

well uh

some boss lores are spawn remover ones

[cobalt pewter]

The flippity doo

[gray nebula]

like perf

OHnvm

[hollow shell]

Correction

yeah

[gray nebula]

i was wrong

[cobalt pewter]

Doesn't Corruption / Crimson lore

[hollow shell]

That drops from BoC, it's "The Crimson"

[gray nebula]

got confused by the colors

[cobalt pewter]

Do the yeeting of cysts

Mhm

[gray nebula]

so its only biome lores that prevent spawns?

nice

[cobalt pewter]

So yeah, exclusively to biome lores, just limiting the sugg to boss lores are ight

[gray nebula]

yzea

[cobalt pewter]

[hollow sierra]

i wonder why sulphur sea lore doesn't prevent as spawns

[cobalt pewter]

Heck, you can even make lores like "The Mechanical Bosses", "Dragonfolly", "Profaned Guardians", or "Sentinels of the Devourer" include into the sugg

Since they do like

Nothing

[hollow shell]

Indeed

[cobalt pewter]

[hollow shell]

Dragonfolly is quite weird in that case

You could prolly make arguments for any of the other ones

[ashen warren]

dragonfolly lore:
bumblefuck

[swift wharf]

remove twins, dest and prime lores and just keep the mechs one

[cobalt pewter]

tbh yea

[hollow sierra]

i kinda like the twins lore to have some way of aggro manipulating

[cobalt pewter]

"Profaned Guardians" lore gives fireball effect (Purely Visual™) when dashing

Boom

[swift wharf]

btw duke lore downside is just depression

• 1% dmg

[hollow shell]

Inflicted with debuff: "Depression"

'You dont really feel like fighting bosses today'

[cobalt pewter]

Scuse me while I take that outta context

[hollow sierra]

duke is weird because its the most "just turn it off when you're not in [abyss]"

not really anything interesting about that

there has to be an active tradeoff

maybe hostile sharknados spawn rarely around you

[hollow shell]

You must consume Glowing Mushrooms every X minutes or you start to starve

[cobalt pewter]

Rover is on a roll with the outta context, random stuff

[hollow shell]

ah

[cobalt pewter]

Either way, gotta wait for iban

[gray nebula]

ok jsut for confirmation

dog lore is annoying to balance around and stuff right

i remember it being mentionned a lot

[cobalt pewter]

Pretty sure it was mentioned in #changelogs recently

[hollow shell]

Ask testers ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[cobalt pewter]

About dog lore

[hollow shell]

Its damage taken boost was decreased, alongside DSA and VoC

[cobalt pewter]

At the exchange of the snapping of rtn + cotbg

Well, just cotbg in particular

Byech

[hollow shell]

[cough]

[cobalt pewter]

What?

[gray nebula]

Either remove gameplay effects from boss lore items or make them more significant.

Why : Currently, the majority of boss lore items are either
-Straight up useless Like the Golem lore being stupidly unuseable or the destroyer lore that gives an unnoticeable boost to your mining speed
-Straight up boosts If you dont count all the straight up boost ones like the grab range ones, theres still the EoC lore that you just have to disable at day to avoid the downside, orDesert Scourge lore giving you a -2.5% damage nerf when most weapons at that tier dont even reach enough damage for the nerf to matter at all
-End up being broken with obscure combos and cause balancing headaches (DoG lore)
And so we end up with most of them being incredibly forgettable unimpactful stat tradeoffs (Compare that to Dimensional soul artifact for example which is a lot more useful).

Fix this by either changing the stat boosts to be more interesting than just minuscule stat boosts (see : calamitas clone lore, or slime god lore), or removing their gameplay effects and replacing them with cool visual effects instead (Worm lores giving trails when dashing, or lighning effects for SW for example). Of course, the rare interesting effects could simply be transfered to toggleable items like ball and chain or accessories. (Slime god lore could for example be turned into slippery boots or something of the sort)

awesome formatting god

or something

[hollow sierra]

dog lore would be good if scal wasn't a pain to true melee

[pine star]

Good

[cobalt pewter]

"lightning" instead of "lighning"

[hollow shell]

You got DS lore flipped around

Downside is -2.5% damage. Upside is 5 defense.

[cobalt pewter]

It's -2.5% dmg for a 5 def

5 ded

What

[hollow sierra]

[swift wharf]

it's pre-game 5 defense is like using the sponge

[gray nebula]

oh oops

[hollow shell]

Suggestion looks good though

[gray nebula]

ok replaced AS lore by DS lore

cant find other examples of useless lore items because most of them are really just insignificant

and also all these conditional boosts and if the condition isnt met you gain a nerf are stupid

[swift wharf]

destroyer lore

[gray nebula]

litterally just disable the lore when not submerged to win

[swift wharf]

look at duke fishron downside too

[gray nebula]

yeah exactly the downside can just be prevented entirely

[hollow shell]

(also you mention the lores which can become straight-up boosts, when there are several which just are boosts like any of the grab range increasing ones, or QB & Brimmy & Aureus & Deus & Old Duke.
iunno if you wanna mention them but they're there)

[gray nebula]

the grab range ones are straight up boosts but like uh

they dont even try to pretend to be tradeoffs at least

and its grab range so not really as impactful i guess

[hollow sierra]

those ones are totally fine

[hollow shell]

Those other 5 I mentioned are boosts under certain conditions
so I guess their balance is classic lore item balance, taking up inventory space

[hollow sierra]

having to sit on items less and less as you get further in the game is a nice benefit

[cobalt pewter]

The grab range ones are nyech

[gray nebula]

ok yeah welp edited it a bit more

[hollow shell]

("+2.5% damage nerf" is an interesting way of wording that)

You can post in #suggestions-posting whenever you want btw, that is meant to be the still-active-editing channel

[gray nebula]

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh right i forgot

[cobalt pewter]

Increased less damage

[gray nebula]

it increases the total precents of nerf your damage will recieve

[cobalt pewter]

[pine star]

[gray nebula]

sugg a bit too long for my liking but i guess thats how it be when you actually need to provide exemples

[pine star]

Don't worry

[hollow shell]

Length is fine 👍

At least it's not a wall of text (cough i hate sand couch)

[hollow sierra]

Formatting

[cobalt pewter]

"Always assume that your readers are dumb and have an attention span of a teaspoon"

This thing prevents me from making straight up docs

[swift wharf]

reddit tl;dr moment

[cobalt pewter]

The longest sugg I vividly remember making was about changing extra diff rewards (irrelevant now that they won't have rewards anyways)

Even then, it was needed because I mentioned arma, defiled and iron heart, and I needed to explain each of them

[hot zephyr]

convert boss lore into accessories but boost their gimmicks significantly

[pine star]

i.e. SG lore

[hollow shell]

It's an option but naw I'd prefer not
They'd lose their unique inventory aspect

[round hawk]

Yeah that would just make them another modded boss drop accessory thing

[river glen]

i feel like lores

need better win loss so its worth using

like ravager is an ex

of a usable lore

it has 10% damage

great

1/2 flighttime

really depends

in some cases this is detrimental

[gray nebula]

yeah rav is interesting and cool but like its a rare case

lots are just boring as fuck

[river glen]

versus moon lord and dragonfolly its hard now cuz 1/2 flight, but then bosses vs plaguebringer goliath where u mainly running and jumping

is more usable

[gray nebula]

like goddamn dog lore is really just discount DSA but less disadvantageous but true melee

[cobalt pewter]

Here, an idea to Destroyer lore

"Replace your held pickaxe with a buffed version of Shroomite Digging Claw"

[river glen]

nah

just make it 25%

[cobalt pewter]

[river glen]

or 20

[cobalt pewter]

That's boring, just stat changes

[river glen]

otherwise ut just giga drilling

and cant u mine chlorophyte

[violet dagger]

Let me guess the true reasoning behind this sugg

So iban can sprite the visual effects

[cobalt pewter]

Yes

[river glen]

lmao

giga drilling

post destroyer

should be fun

[cobalt pewter]

Arkhalis-like drilling equipment that corresponds to held pickaxe's power, but has batshit speed

[river glen]

LMAO

well

[violet minnow]

yes

[river glen]

vrooom

[tawny garden]

nah

[river glen]

yah

[tawny garden]

just give it veinminer but on all blocks upon use

[cobalt pewter]

[river glen]

WTF

imagine

[tawny garden]

you use it once and it mines your entire world

[violet minnow]

no

no

bad

[river glen]

mining one piece of ur house

[tawny garden]

perfection

[violet minnow]

just really speedy speed that speeds so fast you speed speed

[tawny garden]

so uh

[violet minnow]

dont veinmine the entire world

[tawny garden]

turn your pickaxe into old Crystyl Crusher?

[violet dagger]

Mining speed:0.0000000000001

[violet minnow]

no, just speed no old crystal crusher

[tawny garden]

why only speed

you're thinking too small

[violet minnow]

like 1.4.1 bone pickaxe + mining armor and and ancient chisel

[violet dagger]

[violet minnow]

that level of speed but the mining power increases with your pickaxe

[tawny garden]

how about range

[cobalt pewter]

smol

[tawny garden]

[violet minnow]

+3 or something

[tawny garden]

+17 is gud

[violet minnow]

more range but not crystal crusher range

sure

[tawny garden]

anyway

[gray nebula]

this is slander

if i wanted to sprite cool effects i would have done it without asking

😎

and also the suggested visual effects are more so i can push the work onto dom who has been making some REALLY SWAG visual effects with code recently

[weak field]

But overhaul does that too

And it might conflict with them

Although we're conflicting with overhaul already

[dapper coral]

calamity cares about overhaul even less than it cares about other major content mods iirc

[hollow shell]

@heady temple Where?

[frail mantle]

correct

[hollow shell]

Which tModLoader logo?

[dapper coral]

sounds like the main menu screen

[wooden wedge]

the main menu one

[dapper coral]

but you should specify that in the sugg ig

[heady temple]

@hollow shell the main menu one

[hollow shell]

Cuz there's also the one in the top bar (and arguably the one in Steam library)
among several within the program itself

[heady temple]

When you open the game

[hollow shell]

Aight that could be a lil clearer

(iirc the Calamity texture pack does change that logo but I don't remember if it says Calamity or just a resprited Terraria)

[heady temple]

Oh, really? I tend not to use any texture packs

Also i edited the suggestion

[frail mantle]

ctp logo is just resprited vanilla

[dapper coral]

okay cool, now that bit is clearer

backgrounds are def replaceable since ctp does it iirc so that's not an issue

[hollow shell]

What

Does it replace it with Calamity biomes?

[dapper coral]

idk about that

[hollow shell]

That's what he's asking

[dapper coral]

but i'm sure that ctp changes the title screen backgrounds, period

[hollow shell]

Well yeah of course it does

It just resprites the background images

They're the same ones that appear in-game

[dapper coral]

ah

[robust lava]

Proper custom main menu support is coming with tML 1.4

[hollow shell]

aight here's the logo in CTP

[heady temple]

Oh wow

Actually, now that i think about it, it would be cool if the background was replaced with some artworks

For example this one

Sorry for bad quality

[hollow shell]

Could be neat

We've got a lotta art to choose from

[heady temple]

What about creating a competition

[dapper coral]

i mean, devs can figure out how they're gonna choose art if the sugg gets approved/implemented

[heady temple]

Well, yeah

[tawny garden]

yeah let's not be specific

(also, could be a config setting to counteract the compat problem with overhaul)
(or just fuck overhaul, don't play with several content mods)

(2nd option is better)

[river glen]

what was the reason

behind the boss rush nerf

[frail mantle]

most likely boss rush doing too much damage

[hollow sierra]

also master mode prepping

[violet minnow]

It would need to be a config option if you want to have it or not

cause some people will probably want to have the origional menu and backdrops

[round hawk]

Well yeah probably

Just like the calamity menu music

[river glen]

@hollow sierra seriously that early

the approx date is in july

[hollow sierra]

the early fabsol gets the worm

[hollow shell]

👀 💦

[tawny garden]

Rover

that's not how crying works

[weak field]

Well I beat the game with a few friends with det breaker on at all times

[hollow shell]

(I knew people would think it's crying)

[weak field]

We did use cheat sheet for an extra slot though

[hollow shell]

(nah is sweat)

[tawny garden]

byeah it taking up an acc slot is deliberate

extra difficulty

[hollow shell]

ehhh

[tawny garden]

at least that's what I heard

[weak field]

Or maybe make it work in vanity

[meager tangle]

byeah it taking up an acc slot is deliberate
@tawny garden
I know, but it’s just excessive at that point

[tawny garden]

fair

[meager tangle]

Plus after that we can say do it with rptn and determination breaker for ultimate one hit run lol

[hollow shell]

(outside of, just cheating in SCal Lore)

[sleek turret]

yeah

[meager tangle]

We don’t talk about that

[zenith hazel]

we prefer not having more difficulty items than we already do regardless

[craggy stratus]

or use cheat sheet and give 1+ acc slot, and equip it

[real steppe]

wait

I think giving items with 100% dodge chance with a given cooldown

would make the item either broken or bad, no middle ground

maybe i'm wrong and im too lazy to defend my argument, but that's how i see it for now

[unreal viper]

Hm

[weak field]

That's basically titanium armor in a nutshell

[unreal viper]

Yeah

And titanium is considered to be pretty overpowered

Hallowed now whatever, it’ll always be titanium in our hearts.

[summer sentinel]

indeed

[rose jewel]

The idea of it working in vanity is the one that would probably work best

[left crest]

literally cheat sheet accessory slots

ez

[sleek hornet]

#suggestions-posting message i dont see any problem with this one..

[river glen]

would it be possible

[golden narwhal]

Yes

[river glen]

for the problem with right click crystal crusher

to be made faster

or is it set that way

[golden narwhal]

O

[river glen]

and cannot be made faster

[golden narwhal]

P sure the pickaxe speed could be faster

[river glen]

should i suggest it

because currently the right click

is slower than blossom

[golden narwhal]

Thought that was fixed

[summer sentinel]

It's suggesting a new game mode when it really is sort of a "niche" thing/item to use, and that's in the suggestion don'ts doc and also based on Brav's comment as well as to why it was ! #suggestions-discussion message

[wooden wedge]

isn't the issue for the det breaker sugg

that

[sleek hornet]

ah i see... i didnt catch that

[hollow shell]

That's not the reason. The difficulty mode already exists, just in a different item format, so this isn't an "extreme amount of time and effort" issue.

@zenith hazel

[zenith hazel]

I never said it was?

[hollow shell]

Indeed

Could you say the actual reason rq

[zenith hazel]

with our plans for det breaker (& defiled rune + armageddon to an extent), I'm not 100% sure with going forward with more difficulty items

of course we're not gonna reveal what the plans are but still

[hollow shell]

There is indeed like a 0% chance of this sugg getting implemented

[zenith hazel]

it's gonna get invalidated on the spot by some miracle it gets sent to dev

[cobalt pewter]

of course we're not gonna reveal what the plans are but still

[zenith hazel]

so we can just delete the sugg tbf

[violet dagger]

write that down write that down

[hollow shell]

Prolly should delete, considering it really cannot be implemented

[zenith hazel]

we already mentioned having plans for det breaker, this isn't news

[cobalt pewter]

Yes

But none of them specifics

[crude geode]

Is van pixels suggestion even possible?

[hollow shell]

It is physically possible yes

Overhaul already replaces the Terraria logo, for instance

[proper grail]

I accidentally stumbled on a long-term plan recently. Not saying what it was but I'm stoked that my mind thinks in a similar way to the devs.

[sleek hornet]

but hammer is a bit weird thing tho, because it works in a circular pattern when using smort cursor, regardless the setting, even with the fastest tool speed (1) it still takes a while to remove a bunch of walls

[hollow shell]

Does the pattern have anything to do with the speed

[sleek hornet]

i dont really know, but i think yea,

maybe the solution is make it can break multiple walls in 1 tick

[serene fox]

has there been any suggestion to remove cal's anti-butcher mechanics?

[cobalt pewter]

Suggestion to remove Calamity, probably not

[serene fox]

[radiant meadow]

yes #suggestions-voting message

and this older one #suggestions-voting message

[serene fox]

awesome

[ashen warren]

@heady temple if you want a different title screen download the calamity texture pack

that way people can have it both ways

[glass sentinel]

read the above

its already been said

and besides that says TERRARIA not CALAMITY

[ashen warren]

𝓌ₑₗₗ ᵢₜ ₛₐᵧₛ ₜₘₒ𝒹ₗₒₐ𝒹ₑᵣ ₐ𝒸ₜᵤₐₗₗᵧ

[sturdy geyser]

Calamity mod loader

😳

[glass sentinel]

uh, okay?

[ashen warren]

#suggestions-voting message

just woke up and the sugg got over 200 votes

[glass sentinel]

wait for the devs to react to it ig

[white canyon]

hopefully this time my suggestion wont get yeeted

:picardia:

[real steppe]

definitely agree with the Crab buff

Tho maybe it would make obtaining shroomite bars too trivial?

You need to play 1 plat for the crafting station and having it drop directly from crab nullifies that

[cobalt pewter]

Crab would need to be megabuffed in order to allow it to drop Shroomite

[sleek turret]

yes

aka: do the same thing I did 5 months ago, sky rocket Crab's life to 900%+

[eternal escarp]

https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/699359022364491868/772112326446153808
just fight her away from the NPCs..?

[cobalt pewter]

Pretty sure the projectiles can travel decently far before vanishing

Last time I remembered my NPCs got killed by scal, I was fighting her in a large world jungle, while NPCs are near the middle

[hasty linden]

they do

[eternal escarp]

i mean, i fight her mostly in a position my NPCs wont get hurt, mostly about 300 block-ish away from them

so i never had this issue myself

[hasty linden]

i fought her on ocean side and she killed npcs from other side of map

[eternal escarp]

huh, didnt know they travel that far

[hasty linden]

they do

and its pain

[cobalt pewter]

A workaround is to install that one mod that makes your NPCs invincible

Can't recall the exact name

[meager tangle]

Npcs don’t die

[violet minnow]

yah friendly Npcs dont die

Or fighting her far above your housing helps

[rose jewel]

I love that mod it is so useful especially early game

[proper grail]

Was my hammer suggestion removed from voting?

I can't find it in my mentions anymore

[serene fox]

#suggestions-voting message

[proper grail]

Okay discord has decided that it doesn't like me

Thanks

[serene fox]

discord is wack

[dapper coral]

suggestions won't show up in mentions because of bot thingies

you can search for your ID and that should work iirc

[proper grail]

Grrr. That would explain it. This is my first bot Sugg. ID searching?

[dapper coral]

if you turn on developer mode in your settings you can right-click on yourself to copy your user ID

at which point you can go to sugg voting, search for in:#suggestion-voting and then your ID, and then all your suggs that you have made should show up there

[proper grail]

Cool

Thanks

[serene fox]

me when

why does discord not work

[robust lava]

You don't need the mentions:

[dapper coral]

^

it's just the ID, don't put any filter around it or anything

[serene fox]

awesome

yeah it works

[tawny garden]

It's cause, as you could see, the mentions don't mention you

Byeah mentions actually look like this: @tawny garden

I feel like this should be mentioned somewhere

[cobalt pewter]

Probably a minor pin regarding User IDs

Specifically on #suggestions-voting

[tawny garden]

@ Rover

[cobalt pewter]

But I doubt it'd make a difference since no one reads pins

lole

[tawny garden]

[cobalt pewter]

Byea

[west jackal]

Buff Yharon phase 2 or nerf phase 1 At the moment, yharon phase 1 is way harder than phase 2 and it makes phase 2 feel way less important. If phase one was easier than phase 2, then phase 2 would feel like the real challenge.

good sugg?

[tawny garden]

could elaborate a bit more tbh

[west jackal]

yeah probablly

i should add about the attacks

[tawny garden]

and you should post it in #suggestions-posting

[west jackal]

i wanna make sure its good before that

[tawny garden]

if it's not good, you can improve it there

and more people can see it there

[zenith hazel]

@west jackal elaborate more on why/how phase 1's attacks are harder than phase 2's

[west jackal]

ok

i did it i just dont know the name of the spinning attack

couldnt find it on wiki

[golden narwhal]

It's just called 'da bullet hell phase'

[rose jewel]

But no

Yharon phase two is so much harder

[golden narwhal]

And tbh, I feel like you can specify the issue to "he performs an attack near immediately after ending a bh in p1" since all of his p1 attacks are in p2, as well as the bhs

[west jackal]

its way easier

the thing about the bullet hells in p2 is that i barely see them

usually only once or twice

while p1 he does them often

[golden narwhal]

I'm p sure that's due to the power of melt and how short the subphases are compared to p1

[west jackal]

well still

[golden narwhal]

He should perform them the same amount if not more than p1 if he can get through his cycles

[west jackal]

idk what it is then

it takes me loads of tries for phase one then only once or twice for phase 2

[golden narwhal]

Seems to be "attack after bh is harder in p1" and "doesn't perform as many bhs in p2"

[west jackal]

yeah basiclly

thing is yharon is a really cool boss

[golden narwhal]

Could prolly specify it to that in your sugg

[west jackal]

i did do that

[golden narwhal]

O yea, just found it

The attacks in phase 1 are much harder in general than phase 1. During phase 1 yharon uses his attack where he spins in a circle and shoots all the projectiles at you. This attack is difficult because of all the projectiles
Could remove this area, since the first part isn't necessarily true and what is true about it is covered a line later, and the spin could just be called the "bullet hell phase" to save some explanation

[west jackal]

i changed it up a bit to make it a little easier to read

[golden narwhal]

Could also add why the bhs don't happen as often in p2, because they should

[west jackal]

i think he only does them after you do a certain ammount of damage right?

[golden narwhal]

No, they're just part of each subphases cycle

[west jackal]

its because yharon p2 has many subphases then

[golden narwhal]

the attacks in phase 1 are much harder in general than phase 1

[west jackal]

oops

just

one sec

i just removed that line cause its not really about the difficulty of the attacks anymore

[golden narwhal]

Seems overall fine now, unless someone else wants to chip in

[hearty yew]

@heady temple Just some insider information: Mod menu themes is a planned feature for TML 1.4.

So we already know this is a thing we're doing, we're just waiting for 1.4 to implement it

[heady temple]

Oh, thats great to hear.

[hollow sierra]

phase 2 should probably be harder since you have darksun gear

silva armor, voltaic climax, ultima, empyreans, the ring, very substantial upgrades

[golden narwhal]

I mean, it should probably be harder since it's a phase 2

[hollow sierra]

but is it harder than phase 1 enough compared to the upgrades you get between them

[rose jewel]

2nd phase is harder

[golden narwhal]

ok

[rose jewel]

But for context what mode was it in

[west jackal]

Revengence

It’s like that for all my rev playthroughs since rust and dust

[golden narwhal]

Oh, oof, might need to add a comparison between the attacks after bhs in p1 and p2, since exclamation still exists

[west jackal]

I think that’s just cause there are no mods lol

And the other attacks are easy enough

Except the dashes

But that’s for both phases

[golden narwhal]

There's the comparison (if needed); yharon does dashes right after his bhs in p1 as opposed to p2, which makes p1 more difficult

[west jackal]

I did do that with resuming attacks

Phase one only has like 3 subphases

4

[golden narwhal]

I mean, he also resumes his attacks in p2

Just with a different attack

[west jackal]

Ok

Yeah

I should add that

[golden narwhal]

(also add a comparison to p2, where he doesn't dash after his bhs)

[sleek turret]

Uh, thats a don't, and there's no reason @ashen warren

[ashen warren]

i writing the reason

i pressed enter by accident

also the terrain generation for the Sea usually looks terrible

rarely have i seen it generate properly

[west jackal]

Modding biomes is hard

[sleek turret]

Uhh, I think its a "Don't."

[vocal grotto]

It's improved next update anyway.

[sleek turret]

yeah

[ashen warren]

i hope it gets improved

[whole sedge]

It will be next update.

[ashen warren]

yes i know

i saw

[weak field]

And modding biome generation is even harder

Because you need beeeeeg brain math

[tawny garden]

bug sugg

[sleek turret]

yeah

thats a don't on the doc.

[summer sentinel]

yeah, and the next update addresses the issue anyways

[tawny garden]

I've noticed smth

joke suggs and suggs with poor reasoning aren't in the doc
they're in mrrp's pin, yes, but the doc is supposed to cover everything

[heady storm]

@hollow shell hewwo.

[summer sentinel]

minor overlook then Philo, but that can be fixed

[hollow shell]

The doc isn't supposed to cover everything but I could include them

I do have poor reasoning in the doc though

[tawny garden]

I do have poor reasoning in the suggestion though

ah, it is in the doc, right

I somehow missed it

byeah ty

[west jackal]

Is my suggestion good yet or

[sleek hornet]

i think later phase doesnt always mean harder

[golden narwhal]

Not necessarily, but the game treats yharon p2 like it should be and they should tbh, otherwise there's the question of why that phase exists

[hollow sierra]

there's about half as much content between the yharon phases as there is between DoG and yharon p1

compared to the difficulty spike between the yharon phases (non-existant) and DoG and yharon p1 (noticeable)

but there's really no room to work with unless you also make scal harder so

[analog tulip]

SCAL shouldnt be harder

its supposed to be a hard boss

but its not supposed to be nearly impossible

i think phase 2 and phase 1 are fine as they are so no need to change it

[golden narwhal]

...I don't think it was a suggestion

Especially how there is a lack of pre-scal rogue weapons
summoners be like

[crude geode]

^

[sturdy geyser]

although

[crude geode]

Also items crafted with shadowspec are a big no no @winged linden

[sturdy geyser]

yeah

[dapper coral]

mhm

[winged linden]

so auric tesla

[sturdy geyser]

those are dev weapons

you could edit the suggestion to be a pre scal post yharon two

[winged linden]

yeah

thing with summoners is that some weapons are viable for a long time

like mechworm

[foggy plover]

that's not necessarily a good thing and is changing soon.

[golden narwhal]

[crude geode]

[tawny garden]

[pine star]

[west jackal]

I mean I got my sugg idea mostly from the theme

For phase 2

[winged linden]

i thought phase 2 was harder

for some reason

probably because it was so different to phase 1

and felt unnatural

[west jackal]

Idk after rust and dust it’s probably cause phase one changed the most

[cobalt pewter]

Imma suggest a revolutionary thing that would change the game as you know it

[west jackal]

They don’t like changing vanilla things much

[ashen warren]

Hm

[tawny garden]

uh wot

[ashen warren]

Imo changing ammo damage is a good nerf

[foggy plover]

time to rebalance a whole class

[ashen warren]

But it won’t change ammo progression much

[west jackal]

Yeah but the devs would never do it

Like how throwing and rouge won’t be merged

[hot zephyr]

Isn't the whole tradeoff of Chlorophyte autoaim at the cost of ammo damage?

[ashen warren]

Bruhd

The trade off is homing shit does 80% damage in calamity.

The bullet damage is minor at best

[hot zephyr]

Frankly; the removal of ammo damage would change very little and wouldn't be a magical "fix" to the class

[ashen warren]

But I get that it’s used as a balancing method

[crude geode]

What Ian said

Massively changing a class doesn’t really guarantee a complete fix, and is a lot of work.

[summer sentinel]

This would take a bit of work to do

[hot zephyr]

The problem stems from Ranger having ammo selection at all

[tawny garden]

Ammo damage is one of the reasons ranger is overpowered

forcing the player to use that specific ammo in order to not suffer

there might be a little contradiction there

[summer sentinel]

to the point of so much work that it'd just not be practical to implement

[hot zephyr]

Being able to swap between ammo based on the situation is what makes Ranger strong

[foggy plover]

I dont think the fact that ranger has different ammo damage values is bad, I think its that some of them are too high or low for how good the effect is.

[summer sentinel]

basically what chill said, how will you rebalance a whole class? It's just, infeasible

[crude geode]

^

[hot zephyr]

To get the effect you're looking for, you'd have to remove ammo in it's entirety

[ashen warren]

Huh?

[summer sentinel]

what do you mean by "too high"? Do you mean like holy fire bullets being that strong and they have explosive effect?

[crude geode]

I’m pretty sure yeah

[foggy plover]

basically just

[crude geode]

Such as chlorophyte bullets are brain dead and allow you to not aim, and don’t have low enough damage to compensate for that ability.

[foggy plover]

chloro bullets are too good

yet still provide a good damage boost

so yea ^

besides a lot of weapons rely on ammo damage

like p90

[pine star]

Yeah

So buff them

[crude geode]

p90 is it’s own problem tbh

[ashen warren]

Hm

[foggy plover]

yea p90 is wack

[hot zephyr]

It'd be a lot easier to just nerf overpowered ammo instead of reworking the class

[foggy plover]

^

itd be like reworking it and rebalancing it for basically no reason

[hot zephyr]

slap on a 15/20% reduced damage to chloro bullets and call it a day

[crude geode]

Like, homing weapons in other classes deal a lot less damage to compensate for their brain dead function. But chlorophyte is a huge exception.

[tawny garden]

slap on a 15/20% reduced damage to chloro bullets and call it a day
but that already exists iirc

[pine star]

Yeah

Maybe Chloro Bullets do half damage to everything?

Like including gun damage

[whole sedge]

slap another 20% reduction on it

[tawny garden]

Chlorophyte Bullets will deal 20% less damage to everything.

— [[Vanilla Changes]]

[red storm]

https://calamitymod.gamepedia.com/Vanilla_Changes

[cobalt pewter]

Make it make the weapon deal half damage

Half

[west jackal]

Half?

[pine star]

Yes

[hot zephyr]

or change Chloro bullets themselves to not be literally the best source of homing damage in the entire game

[pine star]

Half

[cobalt pewter]

Chloro needs a dumb nerf for its dumb feature

[pine star]

Or make Chloro Bullets REALLY REALLY SLOW

[foggy plover]

reduce chloro homing

[pine star]

Yeah

So reduce projectile speed

They'll time out before they can hit something

[hot zephyr]

or reduce the strength of their homing

[foggy plover]

thats what I meant

[tawny garden]

reduce chloro homing
that has been sugged before iirc

[crude geode]

At least have to aim within like 30 degrees of the target, not just the side of the screen.

[pine star]

Where is the reduce Chloro homing sugg

[hot zephyr]

Inb4 a massive patch comes to Calamity removing 80% of all homing from the game, now you have to manually control summons

[foggy plover]

that will never happen

(even though I know you are joking)

[hot zephyr]

I'm sure it'd piss a lot of people off

[tawny garden]

manually control summons

👏

[foggy plover]

manually control summons could be a blessing ngl

[pine star]

Maybe there should be a summon that is manually controlled

[tawny garden]

yeah, actually

[west jackal]

Flamesteed ring

[pine star]

THAT IS NOT A MECHA

[whole sedge]

I hear actually having to do something other than walk in summoner
Please god make it

[tawny garden]

but then minions would be glorified Magic Missile projectiles

[west edge]

Flying knife but summoner

[hot zephyr]

give the cursor a vacuum effect that sucks in summoner/summoner projectiles

make them more like pikmin and less like magic missile

[tawny garden]

get back to suggs now

[hot zephyr]

hm?

[crude geode]

This is pretty far off topic from the current suggestion of (essentially) rebalance the ranged class

[pine star]

Maybe we sugg the manually controlled summon?

[golden narwhal]

Imma just
@zenith hazel is oof's sugg fine, or does it need smth else

[zenith hazel]

yea sure

[golden narwhal]

[hollow sierra]

I feel like a good point for how aggressive chloro bullets should be is scorpio

[glass sentinel]

wdym

[serene fox]

I don't really understand what this suggestion is asking for

[golden narwhal]

Same

[serene fox]

@ashen lark can you elaborate?

[ashen lark]

@serene fox fixing the godawfulness that is normal/expert calamity

[golden narwhal]

...but how

[serene fox]

I don't have experience on literally

either of those modes

but try and make your suggestion more clear

rn It's difficult to tell what exactly it is you're asking for

[ashen lark]

Yea... I killed polter with elemental weapons whilst it being my first run on my first game on my pc.

Just fix stuff

Its unbalanced

Compared to vanilla at least

[serene fox]

"just fix it" isn't very helpful

[cobalt pewter]

Mod balanced around rev

[ashen lark]

Perhaps even making it boring

Mod balanced around rev
@cobalt pewter tbh thats a problem

[golden narwhal]

Suggesting to fix it is iffy, since it requires rebalancing the stats of every weapon

[ashen lark]

"just fix it" isn't very helpful
@serene fox make a lot of buffs/nerfs to make it in line with vanilla content. Don't make everything op just because you can yknow. Adding 2 new modes doesn't make up for the mistakes imo.

Suggesting to fix it is iffy, since it requires rebalancing the stats of every weapon
@golden narwhal not every but most. Or make the changes to bosses. Either way it will prob take a lot of work

[golden narwhal]

Exactly

[foggy plover]

I dont

understand what you even want

[ashen lark]

Although its prob worth it. Rn normal and expert is a joke

[golden narwhal]

Read above

[foggy plover]

I did read above

I dont get if they mean too hard or too easy, though im guessing too easy

[golden narwhal]

[ashen lark]

I dont even play well and can kill polter easily in those modes.

The ammount of sheer upgrades you do creates unbalance

Perhaps bosses need an ai change to compensate

Either way I've made it very generic so that the devs can decide what they should do to fix it

[serene fox]

yeah but you've made it a bit too generic

to the point where we can't understand what you want

other than

[ashen lark]

Eh. I will say why after I post next sugg

[serene fox]

fix the normal mode and expert

I once again

don't understand the arma sugg

[hot zephyr]

Armageddon is getting changed?

[dull comet]

I'm pretty sure it actually is a no-hit mode

[serene fox]

it is the no-hit mode yeah

[foggy plover]

if you watched levi's vid you got the point of it entirely wrong

[golden narwhal]

That would explain it

[serene fox]

I suppose

what is the arma sugg asking for again?

[river glen]

wtf is happening

[golden narwhal]

Yes

[serene fox]

suggestions are happening

[river glen]

wtf does no hit and armagedon mean

like

[serene fox]

that's what I'm trying to figure out

[heady storm]

@ashen lark that arma sugg seems unecessary to me.

[river glen]

ik what they mean

but wtf are you trying to accomplish

no hit

and the regulars

[golden narwhal]

I understand 4% of the actual sugg

[river glen]

are a dif community

[serene fox]

4% is a lot tbh

[river glen]

no hit is a challenge

they make

i understand 2%

[cobalt pewter]

4% is like

One out of 25

[river glen]

wtf adding them

to WHAT

WHAT DOES HE WANT ACCOMPLISHED

[foggy plover]

basically they want a new difficulty mode purely for nohitters

[golden narwhal]

but why, man

[river glen]

how did u understand it

[serene fox]

but that's basically arma already

[river glen]

what brain power did u use

[dull comet]

a difficulty mode for no-hitters kinda breaks the point on no-hitting

[ashen lark]

what is the arma sugg asking for again?
@serene fox mods attempting to leave no-hit community behind i belive based on new vid. Scrapping a lot of things for fairer fights that are much easier to no-hit iirc.

[golden narwhal]

make armageddon a no-hit mode

[serene fox]

what

that's not what's happening

[ashen lark]

So my sugg is to make the armagedon use the old and ig current version ais

[golden narwhal]

That's not what levi was saying

[dull comet]

ok but if you have Armageddon have AI changes that destroys the point

[river glen]

bruh

arma is already a no hit

[dull comet]

^

[hot zephyr]

and besides I'm like 99% sure all of the changes coming in the next patch are great

[golden narwhal]

and you're making it sound like fairer fights are bad :wot

[river glen]

they already spend countless hours doing HM and post HM bosses

its a challenge

they are willing to take

and u dont need to pile shit

on top of it

[golden narwhal]

Nohitting should revolve around the mod, not the other way around

[serene fox]

ye

[river glen]

no hitting revolves around the community, its a challenge for them, not for fabsol to make another difficulty that is virtually impossible to any normal playe

[ashen lark]

and you're making it sound like fairer fights are bad :wot
@golden narwhal yea, they aren't. However I feel like scrapping the ais when you can just make a nohit centered item make those ais reappear

[river glen]

without grinding and practicing for thousands of hours

[serene fox]

they still have ai changes

it's not like they're being removed

[dull comet]

what you're saying doesn't actually make any sense

[serene fox]

they're simply being made more fair and fun to fight against

[dull comet]

armageddon having AI changes would literally destroy the point on no-hitting anyway

[river glen]

a no hit centeed item is Scal lore

and arma

[dull comet]

since you would be fighting a different boss

[golden narwhal]

^

[ashen lark]

no hitting revolves around the community, its a challenge for them, not for fabsol to make another difficulty that is virtually impossible to any normal playe
@river glen not really, just repurposing an item. The new mode would prob only contain the relic I said about, which could literally be a retexture. So not much work at all.

[river glen]

but ai changes

[serene fox]

what relics?

[river glen]

u know how much

for each boss

that would take

and death is already hard enough

[ashen lark]

armageddon having AI changes would literally destroy the point on no-hitting anyway
@dull comet not adding, just using the current ones built around nohit.

[river glen]

unless u over prep shit

[dull comet]

ok but it still changes the AI gameplay wise

since it'd still be different than without armageddon

[river glen]

yes

[serene fox]

the current ais and aggressiveness of certain bosses are incredibly difficult and bordering on unfair

[river glen]

its like defiled

asking for AI changes

[ashen lark]

what relics?
@serene fox I said something about brimstone relics iirc. Basically retextures of the master mode stuff

[river glen]

WE DONT NEED THAT RN

we will get those

[serene fox]

I still don't understand

[river glen]

closer to 1.4

[golden narwhal]

Ok, just a quick thought: wouldn't this be a don't, as it is a whole new difficulty

[river glen]

yes

it is

a whole new dif

with AI Changes

[ashen lark]

the current ais and aggressiveness of certain bosses are incredibly difficult and bordering on unfair
@serene fox ye. So put them in a special optional challenge. No big reward for beating like master mode.

[river glen]

BRUH

[hot zephyr]

I've got a question on whether or not something would be a SIS

[serene fox]

so a gamemode

[river glen]

it takes ~900 attempts for Scal

[golden narwhal]

But why is this better than removing them

[serene fox]

that makes bosses incredibly unfair?

is that what you're asking for?

[river glen]

so why make it harder

[hot zephyr]

Would a fast-travel network between Draedon labs count as a SIS?

[river glen]

u only play expert on stream

[serene fox]

depends

[river glen]

u dont even play death

so u dont know how hard detah is

[serene fox]

don't be overly specific with the item and you should be fine

[ashen lark]

Ok, just a quick thought: wouldn't this be a don't, as it is a whole new difficulty
@golden narwhal idk. No real changes except making something already in the game permanently be in the game without entering the new no-hit era kinda thing

[river glen]

IDK

[foggy plover]

dude the ais arent built around nohitting, there's just a lot of effects made specifically to stop nohit cheeses or to do things like make the world size arenas nohitters use less cheesy

[river glen]

maybe play death for once

[serene fox]

there is no new no-hit era

[river glen]

and see how hard no hitting is

[golden narwhal]

Why is creating a whole new diffficulty mode with new items that keeps AI that is consensually bad better than removing the AI and keeping things the way they are

[river glen]

because expert no hitting isnt that hard

[serene fox]

bosses are being tone downed because they're rather overtuned in the current update

[sleek hornet]

let's just say if a certain pandemic decided to copy it for the curve

[serene fox]

that's all it is

[ashen lark]

But why is this better than removing them
@golden narwhal because some people like a challenge

[river glen]

that challenge

is deah defiled

death*

its already hard enough

we dont need more

[ashen lark]

There wouldn't be a no-hit community if people didn't like it

[river glen]

we also have master mode

and FTW

[serene fox]

making bosses downright unfair isn't a fair or fun challenge

and no

no we won't

[river glen]

well

later

i meant

[serene fox]

we won't enjoy borderline impossible bosses like pbg in her current state

[river glen]

FTW and master mode is in 1.4

[golden narwhal]

You haven't delved into the nohit community (afaik)

[dull comet]

more fair = worse no-hitting

:what:

[golden narwhal]

We don't like unfair stuff

[river glen]

@ashen lark what dif do u play on stream

[foggy plover]

having fair bosses where every attack is dodgeable is called good game design

[river glen]

expert on rev

[ashen lark]

Less challenging = not as much of a challenge

[serene fox]

okay but

unfairness isn't a challenge

it's artificial

[river glen]

bruh

if u want to make it unfair

[ashen lark]

@ashen lark what dif do u play on stream
@river glen I've played all by now.

[river glen]

why u playing expert

[dull comet]

unfair =/= better challenge

[river glen]

on stream

then

[ashen lark]

Except normal proper

[golden narwhal]

can we just exclaim this please because yes

[ashen lark]

why u playing expert
@river glen I've played expert, normal, death and rev

[river glen]

go on arma then

[heady storm]

I think the suggestion itself is just redundant.

[river glen]

if u want another challenge

[ashen lark]

I will eventually

[serene fox]

they're asking for a difficulty mode that makes bosses unfair and overly difficult

not exactly redundant but

[ashen lark]

they're asking for a difficulty mode that makes bosses and unfair overly difficult
@serene fox no...

[heady storm]

That's a don't either way then.

[ashen lark]

I'm asking for basically:
Armagedon bosses to not be touched by new changes
Armagedon to give a retextured item from 1.4/ upcoming item on each boss.

[serene fox]

the current state of certain cal bosses are unfair and overly difficult

[heady storm]

So future content is involved, remove that since that's also a don't.

[serene fox]

so that's what you're asking for

[ashen lark]

So future content is involved, remove that since that's also a don't.
@heady storm not really. Its a bad explanation.

[heady storm]

from 1.4/ upcoming item on each boss.
Care to elaborate then?

[golden narwhal]

I once again invoke the why despite knowing the answer

[dull comet]

there is no answer to why

[violet dagger]

hmmm interesting

[dull comet]

at least, not a good answer

[violet dagger]

this could be used with pylons

when tml 1.4 comes out

[ashen lark]

Care to elaborate then?
@heady storm basically different versions of relics similar to things from 1.4. Just supposedly made of different materials

[heady storm]

So a lab pylon it seems, also a don't for future content. @hot zephyr

[hot zephyr]

...it's not future content

[violet dagger]

not specified pylon tho

I just suggested that it could be that

[golden narwhal]

Just because it functions similarly to a pylon doesn't mean it is

[violet dagger]

you can edit messages

[ashen lark]

Good job disc on bugging edit

[heady storm]

Mmmmm.

[violet dagger]

[ancient crow]

ngl, fast travel between draedon labs would be really cool

[golden narwhal]

[ashen lark]

Forgot to post earlier and now its bugged

[ancient crow]

but pylons kinda make that obsolete

[violet dagger]

byech I meant that it would work nicely with pylons

but not really pylons

[golden narwhal]

I mean, not necessarily, robot

[hot zephyr]

If they're similar to something, they'd be closer to Stagways

They're not Pylons because pylons require NPCs and Happiness

[ashen lark]

Easy. Make a secret draedon biome that does nothing and then add a draedon pylon

Hmmm

Ig

[dull comet]

I don't really see how helpful this would be

[ashen lark]

I do ig.

[dull comet]

especially with pylons coming soon

it would just be extra free pylons

which in of itself could be kinda unbalanced

[hot zephyr]

It's early-game fast travel; and to biomes that won't have pylons

Nor do they really function like pylons, if anything they're closer to teleporters

[ashen lark]

Prehm teleporters

[dull comet]

but pylons are teleporters too, are they not?

[ashen lark]

Only if they work only in the biome

[golden narwhal]

(that is needed if they don't want to become a tremor 3,4,5,6 etc
why is there a tremor comparison in this suggestion

[hot zephyr]

In function? Kinda. But they require NPCs and happiness

[cobalt pewter]

From what I seen here, you're rewarded for exploring by making exploring around explored areas less CBT

[hot zephyr]

Yes

You've already discovered the areas, this just makes moving between them faster

[dull comet]

but then couldn't it just make pylons kinda obsolete?

[hot zephyr]

Not really

[serene fox]

Edit
not edited

[dull comet]

iirc it's a repost

[ashen lark]

Edit
not edited
@serene fox its a bug

[hot zephyr]

Pylons have the advantage in being able to be moved

[cobalt pewter]

Not really imo, Pylons make Happiness a lot more manageable since you can access your NPCs from further away easier

[ashen lark]

Tons of bugs on disc recently for me

[cobalt pewter]

While tps in labs would cover mostly underground

[serene fox]

ok so again

[ashen lark]

My fave was when for a month all pfp were dragged at the edges basically

[serene fox]

what exactly is your suggestion asking for?

[ashen lark]

what exactly is your suggestion asking for?
@serene fox balancing

[serene fox]

so basically

[ashen lark]

Balancing that should be in place long ago

[serene fox]

your suggestion is "balance the mod"

[dull comet]

^

[foggy plover]

not balance, rebalance

[hot zephyr]

5432, I'd suggest slowing down on the suggestion creation. You've thrown out like five of them in the past hour. Give each suggestion a few hours to sit in your head so you can optimize it

[violet dagger]

theres a sugg limit of 3

thomas found that out the hard way in like

july

[cobalt pewter]

Spamming suggs would only hurt yours and others'

[golden narwhal]

They've thrown two, it just feels like 17

[ashen lark]

your suggestion is "balance the mod"
@serene fox no. Death and rev to some extent is balanced for its purpose. Vanilla and expert is not

[hot zephyr]

Not only that, they're borderline unreadable. Spend a bit drafting them out first to be easy to interpret

[serene fox]

do you have anything to backup those claims?

[ashen lark]

Especially against prov

[serene fox]

(as if I've ever played on normal)

[violet dagger]

normal mode

[hot zephyr]

I wish we had metrics on how many players prefer which mode

[golden narwhal]

normal mode no-hit when, brue

[serene fox]

in 2 fargo years

[violet dagger]

nohit nimwit

[hot zephyr]

I think it's be like a <5%/20%/60%/15% split between normal, expert, rev, and death

[serene fox]

give or take yeah I'd say that's about where the playerbase stands

[hot zephyr]

because real shit who plays Normal calamity

[ashen lark]

do you have anything to backup those claims?
@serene fox you can beat DOG with a pretty basic sky bridge. With a post ml weapon crafted 5m after ml is defeated, only post ml gear and without much effort in expert. Now think about that in normal.

[dull comet]

since when was normal mode actually balanced anyway

even in vanilla normal mode isn't balanced

[foggy plover]

that sounds about like vanilla normal mode

[violet dagger]

calam is balanced around revengeance

normal is like

easy mode

[hot zephyr]

Calamity is balanced around Revengeance; spending time balancing a mode that a teeny tiny fraction of people actually use seems like a huge waste of time by an already small & busy dev team

[ashen lark]

Next. Prov does like 300 damage to normal/expert players. Whilst dog does like 100...

[dull comet]

there isn't really anything that completely wrong about clam being balanced around rev

[serene fox]

providence doing 300 damage doesn't sound

possible

[dull comet]

it's like how most mods are balanced around expert

[serene fox]

at least on expert below

[foggy plover]

did you fight night provi lmao

[ashen lark]

even in vanilla normal mode isn't balanced
@dull comet it actually is tho.

[dull comet]

when a mod adds a difficulty level, you can expect it to be balanced around that difficulty

[hot zephyr]

What numbers are you reading boy

[violet dagger]

night cocoon stars do 300

[foggy plover]

you fought night provi didnt you

[golden narwhal]

insert :wot

[violet dagger]

did you fight her during night

[foggy plover]

god

[dull comet]

also, no it really isn't

[violet dagger]

[grim tusk]

god

[serene fox]

me when

[violet dagger]

the

[hot zephyr]

[serene fox]

nightttime provi

[dull comet]

when is the last time you had a balanced normal playthrough

pre-1.3, I presume?

[ashen lark]

at least on expert below
@serene fox its the flames prob. No immunity

[serene fox]

ok but

[violet dagger]

flames dont count :sadcat:

[serene fox]

were you fighting nighttime provi?

y'know

[ashen lark]

Nope

[violet dagger]

how then