suggestions-discussion

[tawny garden]

🦀

[ashen warren]

remove rng dodging as a whole lol

[hot zephyr]

RIP frog meta

[ashen warren]

just remove rng as a whole make every abyss creature drop halibut cannon

[hot zephyr]

Wing balance in 1.4.1 is great, it's the cal bonuses that should be removed/tweaked

[foggy plover]

wing balance isnt that great from what I can see

its literally just every set of wings is pretty much identical

no matter how much more effort that pair of wings takes (on that tier)

[sturdy geyser]

its more liek

wing balance is actually logical now

[unreal viper]

yeah

[tawny garden]

@zenith hazel the sugg you just approved is a bluecheck

[zenith hazel]

really?

what's the original sugg?

[dapper coral]

wait why's it not work for me but it works for you ;-;

it's still ✅ right?

[zenith hazel]

yea

the bot just got restarted and I reacted again for it to work

[dapper coral]

oh

i did it with the one from this morning too and that one didn't work, guess i just see these at the wrong times

[tawny garden]

hm, I can't seem to find it now

I swear I've seen it before

[dapper coral]

#suggestions-voting message

this is the closest thing

[tawny garden]

#suggestions-voting message

[dapper coral]

that's a lie #suggestions-voting message

[tawny garden]

also didn't reach the req

[zenith hazel]

it wasn't delivered so it's not a blue check

[dapper coral]

why did discord search not pick this up when i searched "rogue helmet"

byeah no dice

[tawny garden]

agrh

I'm either braindamaged

or I'm in some sort of X-Files-esque time and space fuckery

[ashen warren]

a new design by yharon

[hollow shell]

[beauty commercial starts]

[tawny garden]

oh god Rover

why did you say that

now I have a commercial in my head on repeat

[glass sentinel]

@ashen warren many people have the same issue, demik being one of them. but, you could just use like elysian tracers

[dapper coral]

really calling me out like dis

[glass sentinel]

'its toooo fast'

[sweet oar]

Dude these nerfs are getting worse and worse

The defining trait of brimstone waifus fight difficulty is the debuff

Also is there a channel where we can discusss the changelog

[golden narwhal]

#calamity-mod-talk, ig

[dapper coral]

#calamity-mod-talk

[sweet oar]

K

[sleek hornet]

#suggestions-posting message eclipse mirror kinda works like that tho

[craggy stratus]

so is abyssal mirror

[sleek hornet]

yea

[river glen]

bruh

i meant

like black belt

master ninja gear

and others

[meager tangle]

Are we allowed to make lore suggestions? Not planning to just asking

[sleek turret]

Check the Don'ts Document.

...Just in case before doing a suggestion, I don't remember to well if Lore suggestions are banned.

[meager tangle]

I know about it, I just didn’t want to look through it again

[real steppe]

I think lore suggestions are banned

but relating the lore to strengthen your argument or suggestion is allowed

[river glen]

what baout more hamaxes

because we only have astral as our best one

[sleek hornet]

Grax is a hamaxe

[river glen]

i have never heard of it

[proper grail]

The Grax is the fastest hammer in Calamity

And the HVC is more powerful but slightly slower

This is a repost, the old one got buried far quicker than expected

[mighty knot]

isn't auric tesla wings a specific item

[craggy stratus]

it got slipped

[meager tangle]

Auric wings are kinda pointless

The new hammer idea is cool tho

[river glen]

@eager stone bro

thats not chat room

[serene fox]

two in a row

how

[river glen]

WTF

[violet dagger]

I got it on screenshot

[river glen]

@sterile gull thats not a chat room lmao

dont chat there

[serene fox]

I don't they're chatting

they're trying to suggest those specific items

[violet dagger]

we got 2 suggs in a row

[river glen]

that are crap

[river glen]

with no description

[serene fox]

@eager stone @sterile gull you oughta read the pins for proper suggestion formatting

[violet dagger]

theres only 1 thing that surpasses it

[winged linden]

I feel like the terra disk for melee and rogue should be buffed.

[violet dagger]

let me find it

[zenith hazel]

also whips are 1.4 content, which is already a don't

[winged linden]

For a 'terra' weapon, they seem very lacklustre compared to others such as the terra blade, edge and ray

[violet dagger]

#suggestions-discussion message

[zenith hazel]

terra disk will be buffed

[river glen]

bro

how can u not have 17k pings

in one server

lmao

[violet dagger]

idk that screenshot is philo

ask him

[cobalt pewter]

terra disk will be buffed
Does that include removing the proj limit like SSV?

Because I always think the proj limit is hecka jank

[glass sentinel]

@winged linden

all legendries are OP

bfluc carried to ML

and the wep is good in some situations and bad in some

its ranger is ass and aiming is ass

[winged linden]

well the briny baron is pretty lacklustre for a legendary

[glass sentinel]

its pretty good actually

[dapper coral]

it's pretty damn good

[glass sentinel]

^

demik was using it for ML

@eager stone

no

[dapper coral]

also SHPC is a legendary, the point is that it's wildly overpowered

[glass sentinel]

thats a no no

demik deal with the sugg

[dapper coral]

can you not meme sugg

[wooden wedge]

fuck

[dapper coral]

omg sand

[wooden wedge]

I was gonna delete the SIS but you did it first

[glass sentinel]

wot

[wooden wedge]

ahidbihaf

[glass sentinel]

you

[dapper coral]

Nerf the SHPC

During my first mage playthrough, although it's hard to obtain, the SHPC felt far too powerful compared to the rest of my mage weapons basically until Golem, and it drops from the Destroyer. Nerfing the weapon's right and left-click by a little might make it so that you could use more variety in weapons between the Mechanical Bosses and Golem.

here it is

[glass sentinel]

absolute

tool

[dapper coral]

and that's why you don't SIS snipe

[glass sentinel]

he wants da mod point

[dapper coral]

@winged linden sand did a dumb and deleted your sugg but it's up there ^ if you want it, just read what i said above it first

[winged linden]

lol

[glass sentinel]

competent mods

as you can see

[dapper coral]

just because we're mods doesn't mean we're not dumbasses

[wooden wedge]

he deleted it less than a second before I clicked delete shsh

[glass sentinel]

fair

[dapper coral]

anyway

point is is, legendaries are meant to be supremely overpowered and it's up to you to decide if you want to use it as such

[glass sentinel]

you might as well say nerf b-flux, briny, aegis, community, pristine etc

[dapper coral]

RIVs are kinda sorta different because they're not as overpowered compared to the original most of the time, but also not really

[glass sentinel]

mhm

rivs are just different

[winged linden]

rivs are usually my best weapons if i have them too

but i guess that's the point

[sterile gull]

so Calamity depuff Flasks
i.e Godslayer Inferno, Brimstone Flames, Abyssal flames, ect?

[foggy plover]

legendaries are about 33% better than on tier, RiVs are about 25%

difference is kinda negligible most of the time

[hot zephyr]

I thought the whole point of weapon projectile caps were to stop people from building up huge numbers of projectiles and then dropping them all onto a boss as they're summoned

[cobalt pewter]

Yes, but look at SSV

[foggy plover]

what's wrong with support weapons (terra disk is already being changed)

[winged linden]

yes, but the whole projectile cap is what makes the terra disk perform not as well as other 'terra' weapons

[foggy plover]

people bitched a ton about SSV because it wasnt the braindead auric mage weapon anymore

[cobalt pewter]

I generally don't prefer something being "hardcapped" unless they really need to

[winged linden]

also it's inability to pierce also plays a role

[zenith hazel]

you know we can just buff its damage by three times and that argument falls apart

but we have other plans

[glass sentinel]

please do

[winged linden]

I'd say give the terra disk more range, velocity and give it the ability to pierce

[cobalt pewter]

Giving slower use time and higher dmg while removing the limit accomplishes similarly to the current system, but lacking the feel of hardcap

[glass sentinel]

they have plans

but we have other plans

[foggy plover]

its hardcapped so its a support weapon

[zenith hazel]

terra disk doesn't have to be a primary weapon

[foggy plover]

shoot off the max then switch weapons

[zenith hazel]

people just don't like support weapons apparently

[hot zephyr]

support weapons are cool; having a reason to use more than one weapon is epic

[winged linden]

only support weapon i've used is the everglade spray and spear of destiny

to infilct da ichor

[glass sentinel]

"ssv is a support wep? "

[cobalt pewter]

Don't get me wrong I love support weapons a lot (stealth eclipse fall makes a good support with any other stealth rogue weaps)

But imo hardcapping might not the best way to do it

[zenith hazel]

then what do you propose?

[foggy plover]

theres not really another way to do it that I can think of

[cobalt pewter]

then what do you propose?
I'm still looking for that answer yes

[hot zephyr]

[proper grail]

Hold up

Where tf did my suggestion go

It should have been moved to voting around 8 PM

Now it's just . . . Gone?

Ping me if you have an answer

[cobalt pewter]

Wasn't it exclaimed?

P sure there's like

hours worth of talking about it

[golden narwhal]

Which sugg was it

[cobalt pewter]

The uh

AEW miniboss

I think

Or boss

Idk

[golden narwhal]

Ah yes, that one

[foggy plover]

that probably just got deleted then

[golden narwhal]

It was exclaimed last time I checked

[cobalt pewter]

It was exclaimed last-lmao what

I almost typed the exact same thing as yours

Down to the letters

[golden narwhal]

[cobalt pewter]

@proper grail either way, read above

[summer sentinel]

It was ! because it was trying to make aew a boss basically and suggesting a boss like that is not allowed from the suggestions document of donts basically

[proper grail]

So it's not exclaimed for 22 hours and then it gets it in the last two when I'm not on to fix anything

[foggy plover]

it was always a boss sugg, idk how it went that long without an exclamation

[summer sentinel]

buffing a mini boss like reaper shark is mostly okay because you’re just adding onto it but due to your also really long suggestion and making it a boss sugg led it to that

[whole sedge]

Yeah never really should've gotten un exclam'd

[proper grail]

Demik and one other said it was okay lol

[summer sentinel]

I had ! It before but someone removed it I think

[dapper coral]

i didn't say it was okay

i said i was unsure

if it was valid

idk who ended up exclaiming it in the end

oh it was lauren

[proper grail]

You removed the original exclaim tho

[summer sentinel]

my ! Was reapplied because someone had removed it before? or it just disappeared

[dapper coral]

did i?

hm

[proper grail]

Yeah

[summer sentinel]

and due to what iban said from last night about the matter, it was a boss sugg

I think rover said something about it too idr

[dapper coral]

well ig lauren and iban? made the decision that it was invalid again

did you ping solstice tho?

[summer sentinel]

I did not because well, I forgot basically but I thought they also knew it was s a boss sugg too

before I had even done the ! A second time

[proper grail]

Eh, I see why, I'm just annoyed it happened just before posting when I was offline, no hard feelings tho. I didn't even come up with that in the first place, I was just bored lol

[summer sentinel]

I remember this when the document was first uploaded of it being 5000+ words for when it was taken into consideration

[dapper coral]

you typically should just ping if they're not in the convo

[summer sentinel]

that’s fair, I should’ve pinged you, apologies for that, sorry

[proper grail]

It's fine

Would've saved me some confusion

There's plenty more people i can revise for

But as I mentioned yesterday, I'd appreciate it if you'd direct them to me if they're having trouble

[summer sentinel]

yeah I’ll, make note of that for the future but you have the originals document still yes? so you can just edit that down

[proper grail]

Yep, I have the crazy long doc still. It's not a good idea TBH, even though it was interesting to make

Anyways, thanks for clarifying that guys!

It's a pleasure to work with the mods and devs for this mod

[ashen warren]

@ashen warren many people have the same issue, demik being one of them. but, you could just use like elysian tracers
@glass sentinel celestial tracers have additional flight time and iframes though.
The main problem really just comes from draconic elixir massive boost in acceleration, not really the tracers

[foggy plover]

whats your full loadout

[dapper coral]

all good solstice, sorry for the confusion

[foggy plover]

the only time ive ever seen anyone have issues with vertical movement is when using hote

[ashen warren]

maybe I should have suggested removing the draconics overkill speed buff 🤔

[glass sentinel]

then dont use draconic

duh

[ashen warren]

Celestial Tracers, The Sponge, Affliction, The Community, Rampart Of Deities, Asgardian Aegis, Elemental Gauntlet @foggy plover

[foggy plover]

sponge also gives jump speed

[glass sentinel]

dont use movement accessories

or something

[ashen warren]

sponge and tracers are fine, actually

[glass sentinel]

the dont use draconic

very easy

[ashen warren]

that would mean I would have to not get hit a lot

[glass sentinel]

what

oh

[ashen warren]

cause default godslayer is 150 hp

[glass sentinel]

godslayer?

[ashen warren]

ye

[glass sentinel]

and silva

git gud? jk

[ashen warren]

its always usually that I get hit the most at the final phases

the draconic elixir speed I think is what screws me over since the bullet hell is pretty tight

(I have already beaten SCal but last few phases is just almost RNG ngl)

[golden narwhal]

(It is )

[ashen warren]

byeah the draco speed boost in tight spaces is not good

[hollow sierra]

almost like its the end of reasoning

You should try ball and chain for scal, getting aegis stats and being able to fast tap without dashing is pretty handy

[rocky hatch]

aye im glad the trinket of chi got a bit of love

[hollow sierra]

not sure i understand the artifact nerf

its just an emblem with a downside now, no?

[golden narwhal]

That was a buff?

[hollow sierra]

oh damage taken

i am big dumb

or dyslexic

[ashen warren]

ball and chain?

[dapper coral]

this isn't the place to discuss changelogs, do that in #calamity-mod-talk

ball and chain?
new item in 1.4.5.003 which basically makes it so that your double-tap dashes are disabled when it's favorited in your inventory

[ashen warren]

ah

[ashen lark]

i really want to suggest a new biome tbh...

[dapper coral]

unfortunately, you cannot

[golden narwhal]

picardia

[white canyon]

emote suggestions are still allowed right?

[dapper coral]

ye

[ashen warren]

:17:

[golden narwhal]

(also have a lower star requirement than normal suggs )

[ashen lark]

unfortunately, you cannot
@dapper coral when can new biome suggestions be added?

[dapper coral]

never

[ashen warren]

neevr

[golden narwhal]

When the don't is removed in never

[dapper coral]

they'd come under the large-scale content don't

and that is not going away, like ever

[hollow sierra]

sunken sea except its under the ice and jurassic themed

[ashen lark]

abbysal underworld

spawns after dog is defeated

[ashen warren]

ice biome overhaul

[tawny garden]

The devs won't go out of their way to implement your cool™️ biome instead of implementing something they want

[ashen lark]

meant to be explored after draedon/yharon is defeated

gives various new materials for upgraded abyssal weps

[ashen warren]

yeah no

[tawny garden]

And that is too specific as well

[ashen lark]

and is now the only place terminus can be used.

[whole sedge]

[tawny garden]

You can safely forget about it

[ashen lark]

thats my suggestion, thanks for coming to my ted talk

[hollow sierra]

Maybe you're feeling like taht because layer 4 has basically no purpose

just yoink terminus and get out

[ashen warren]

this guy missed the abyss suggestion spam like 3 days ago

[hollow sierra]

nah i saw

[ashen lark]

no i saw it.

just combined a few but put it in hell and retiered.

if a dev sees, feel free to use if you want

[hollow sierra]

no reason to put it all the way in hell when there's a whole fourth of the abyss doing nothing right now

infact, half of the abyss is doing nothing if you count layer 1

its just a buffer between the sulphur sea and the actual abyss

[ashen lark]

i think layer 1 will be changed to sunken sea

[hollow sierra]

that wouldn't make any sense

[ashen lark]

that wouldn't make any sense
@hollow sierra no, no its confirmed to happen i belive.

[ashen warren]

the sunken sea used to be the sulphurous sea before scal vaporized it so maybe

[ashen lark]

the sunken sea used to be the sulphurous sea before scal vaporized it so maybe
@ashen warren no....

[golden narwhal]

And the desert is what remains of the vaporised sea, the sunken being the remanent of the old civilisation

[ashen warren]

or rather the sunken sea is below the sulphurous sea before scal vaporized it

[ashen lark]

or rather the sunken sea is below the sulphurous sea before scal vaporized it
@ashen warren scal never vaporised it...

[ashen warren]

????

[dapper coral]

hmmm this isn't #lore-discussion

[glass sentinel]

sugg disc quickly dissolves into anything and everything ngl

[golden narwhal]

Not wrong

[frail mantle]

Picardia stinky name

Coolandgood better iirc

[ashen warren]

17 best

[crystal iron]

Wow ngl this went a bit off topic a few times

[cobalt pewter]

As long as it's still related to suggs at hand, #suggestions-discussion is gentalk 3

Tbh

[crystal iron]

a few

[dapper coral]

the issue is when it's not related

which is often

[vocal grotto]

Making points about how Sugg discussion gets off track technically is also getting off track

[golden narwhal]

[dapper coral]

this is also kind of sort of true

[crystal iron]

Damn

[summer sentinel]

all the suggestions look good so far I'd say, curious to see how that emote one ends up doing too

[glass sentinel]

first sugg to reach 500 reaction

[civic pond]

[white canyon]

picardia is god

[ashen warren]

hmmm Ive been thinking

should I change my sugg about that speed cap to apply to scal only

[glass sentinel]

what no?

its your gear thats the problem

you can control how much speed you want

just bc something makes a boss fight difficult doesnt mean you can just want the devs to remove it

or add something to mitigate it

[hollow shell]

Yeah uhh

Seems like the more logical step is to downgrade your wings

[glass sentinel]

like what i told ya to do

[hollow shell]

Also you seem to be conflating horizontal acceleration with jump speed/vertical acceleration?

Either that or the sugg is just worded weirdly

[glass sentinel]

basically this is a gear, not game mechanic problem

[hollow shell]

(players would dislike a cap anyway, even if SCal-exclusive, as it would detract from play style variety)

[glass sentinel]

it would restrict choice and stuf

[hollow shell]

indeed

[glass sentinel]

@fringe cloak i really like the sugg and agree with it, but how will the devs make this happen?

[fringe cloak]

Magic

[glass sentinel]

fair

they are magicians

[tawny garden]

C#

[cobalt pewter]

I already sugged a better alternative for that

Making wof spawn a bit late

[tawny garden]

:boohoo:

[cobalt pewter]

So you can actually prepare

[glass sentinel]

furious pickaxing

[tawny garden]

You know what the problem with late spawns is
It's a Boss Rush

[fringe cloak]

Got to go fast

[cobalt pewter]

Well yes, considering if nothing yeets you to another universe

[ashen warren]

Also you seem to be conflating horizontal acceleration with jump speed/vertical acceleration?
@hollow shell I meant as in horizontal flight acceleration oops

honestly imma just delete the sugg

[hollow shell]

Aight

Cuz, yeah the Frog accessories don't affect horizontal accel, only initial jump speed

(afaik)

[ashen warren]

correction: rework all lore items

[tawny garden]

[craggy stratus]

remove lore items

[tawny garden]

Providence lore item was useful

...6 months ago

[proper grail]

My suggestion for the softlocked abyss just hit 200 votes, can't link because of mobile smh

[ashen warren]

honest question what are the lore items that can be used til endgame with no downsides other than Aquatic Scourge's?

[fossil finch]

Eh

Wof, plantera, and polter ones

[tawny garden]

My suggestion for the softlocked abyss just hit 200 votes, can't link because of mobile smh
you can

[proper grail]

All the increased item grab range ones

[fossil finch]

But they don't even give stats

[ashen warren]

I meant like stats wise

[tawny garden]

long-tap on it, click "share" and then copy url

[fossil finch]

Then, none

Cryo one ig?

[tawny garden]

and yeah, all lore items that don't have a downside can be used

[proper grail]

There's no share option

[fossil finch]

Oh that has a downside
A dumb one but a downside

[crude geode]

Golem’s, but golem’s is also incredibly dumb.

[tawny garden]

and cryo could be used

all other lore items are crap

[ashen warren]

LOL moon lord lore

[crude geode]

I just personally feel like EoC is a more glaring issue, since it is so unlike most of the other lore items.

Also, brimstone elemental’s lore is purely positive.

[sleek hornet]

LOL moon lord lore
its even says "what a waste"

[ashen warren]

😂

[crude geode]

Tbfh, 10% critical strike chance is pretty good, but the problem is that by that point, the player already has at least two accessory slots given up to dash/shield and wings/boots in addition to whatever their class (lowkey) requires them to use.

[fossil finch]

Mmm yes an acc slot for
10% damage

[crude geode]

So there’s no point in equipping the gravity globe to try it when there’s infinitely better options like dash

[fossil finch]

While not using platforms, mounts

[crude geode]

Gravity globe was a meme, even in vanilla terraria tbh.

[fossil finch]

Yes

[real steppe]

it deserves to be one

[fossil finch]

It's dissapointing

At least celestial board is a thing now

[crude geode]

“You beat expert mode moon lord! Have gravitation potion in an accessory. :)”- Red

[fossil finch]

Doesn't even work like a grav pot

[ashen warren]

golem lore is extremely stupid

[crude geode]

Yes.

[fossil finch]

1 0

[swift wharf]

not that stupid tho

as it has no drawbacks

[crude geode]

It’s true melee fuel.

[fossil finch]

Couldn't it be like
40? 30?

[crude geode]

I’m pretty sure there was already a sugg to buff it

[ashen warren]

oh by the way whats with DoG's lore saying damage taken multipied by 1.1x, wouldnt it be more consistent by just saying 10% increased damage taken?

[sleek hornet]

10 defense just reduces 5 in normal, 7-8 in expert+

basically a rover drive but arguably worse

[robust shuttle]

Should Dynamo Stem Cells add a 10% ranged damage increase?

[sleek hornet]

idk, because artemis emblem is enough for that point

[fossil finch]

10 defense just reduces 5 in normal, 7-8 in expert+
Thing is rover drive is a super early phmode acc
This is not an acc, but still 10 defense while still in post golem

[robust shuttle]

that's true also.

[golden narwhal]

[crude geode]

Cryogen’s lore is arguably the most busted tbh.

I can’t tell if every other lore should be put up to it’s tier, or if it should be nerfed to a more normal level.

[golden narwhal]

It's already getting nerfed iirc

[crude geode]

That’s what I thought

[golden narwhal]

Dunno how except for the dash going away to the ornate shield thing (if that plan's still a thing)

[cobalt pewter]

@crude geode seems like your EoC lore sugg can be nuked and be referenced into the last one instead

[gray nebula]

what would be funny would be to remove the effects from the lore items entirely

[crude geode]

Truly

[gray nebula]

cuz theyre always like either broken or useless

and they dont rly contribute anythng

the lore items having effects was added solely for the sake of a sekiro reference iirc and as it turns out, its not for nothing that "suggesting stuff solely for the sake of a reference" is in the don'ts

[crude geode]

Wow

[river glen]

there are like 2 beyond lores, those being cryogen and aquatic scourge

[crude geode]

I do think there is a way to balance them though

And it’s by pulling back the scope on them

[gray nebula]

even if youre a dev and you can bypass the sugg donts you might still want to try to follow them because turns out theyre actually here for a reason

make the lore items do aesthetic effects

nothing more

here

[crude geode]

Instead of trying to give all of them an effect for every player, maybe making each lore have something for a class.

Similar to DoG’s

[gray nebula]

that's not really gonna solve the problem that's just gonna make people use 1/5th of the more items

but for real tho having lore items produce custom visual effects instead of dumb stat changes would be a great solution

[crude geode]

That is true

[gray nebula]

ignores balance, makes you look cool and keeps the lore items useful

[sturdy geyser]

i support looking cool

[gray nebula]

and if this were to happen, I'm sure dom could pull out some great looking shit

[crude geode]

I wouldn’t say it keeps them useful tbh. if anything, it could cause visual noise

[gray nebula]

looking cool is useful 😎

[crude geode]

Shit you right

[gray nebula]

but like worm lores could have you leave behind sort of a worm trail when dashing, SW could make you release small lighning bolts when hit etc

(lighning bolts would look cool as dom recetnly coded a very nice looking system to make super epic stuff like that)

[crude geode]

I’m liking the idea more and more, and would definitely enjoy it. You might wanna post it in suggestions just to get a read on the community’s opinion.

[gray nebula]

😎

I can also entirely bypass the suggestion process like a boss but yeah

[crude geode]

~~Iban being epic boss once again ~~

[gray nebula]

Id prefer to hear more opinions from others first

like rover

[crude geode]

I’ll go ahead and Yeet my two suggestions out then

[river glen]

why not just make a max cap of lore items u can have

and make them bette

so there will be a choice

[proper grail]

My suggestion for the softlocked abyss just hit 200 votes, can't link because of mobile smh

[crude geode]

Saying that over and over doesn’t get your suggestion delivered any faster, Solstice. It happens when it happens.

[craggy stratus]

max cap lore? people dont use their entire inventory for lore do they

[crude geode]

^

I would like to be able to mine thank you.

[ashen warren]

#suggestions-voting message

[coarse trout]

poggers

[crude geode]

It is indeed over 200.

[white canyon]

i am surprised my emote suggestion is still not in voting

[cobalt pewter]

It's like

8 hours ago

[tawny garden]

wait another 16 hours

[violet minnow]

yah suggs go to voting after 24 hours

[ashen warren]

🥶

[tawny garden]

why does look like 🥶

a question totally related to suggs

[radiant meadow]

because both are based off of the same base emote and both happen to be blue

[sturdy geyser]

😬

grimacing rn

[worthy lintel]

I do admit Astral Armor exists

It tries very hard to be generalist and just fails in doing so

[unreal viper]

I'd like you to elaborate please.

[worthy lintel]

I mean, generalist armors are hard to balance, unless you make it into something very good that might trump other options

I lack words to describe that

[tawny garden]

@unreal viper nitpick: "unnecessary", not "unessecary"

---

the idea probably won't be done

[cobalt pewter]

Locked chests are megaech

Byeah

[tawny garden]

cause keys

[limber ocean]

I like the sound of that

[inland saddle]

As in the keys are a bad idea or adding lower abyss tier weapons is a bad idea lol

[limber ocean]

but yeah, feels like a long shot

[heady lichen]

sounds pretty cool ngl

[tawny garden]

no, keyed chests are a nightmare to implement

[inland saddle]

Ahh

[heady lichen]

or make them unlock when certain bosses are beat

[inland saddle]

That could work too

[heady lichen]

like astrum aureus unlocking dungeon astral chest

make polter unlock lowest chests

[tawny garden]

that's why the lockpick was removed

[heady lichen]

ML unlock tier 3 chests

and WoF unlock tier 2 chests

[tawny garden]

byeah the astral chest-type locking could work

[limber ocean]

Idk about that

feels like you'd have to visit the Abyss basically every time you beat a boss

[heady lichen]

only 3 bosses though

and after those, you typically explore anyways

[worthy lintel]

You already visit the abyss 3 times in a general playthrough

It's not a massive stretch

[violet dagger]

imo the terminus chest should unlock after polter

[heady lichen]

4 if you include skeletron

so in full

[inland saddle]

Well I mean doesn’t yharon drop terminus

[worthy lintel]

He doesn't anymore

[tawny garden]

he doesn't

[inland saddle]

Oh snap

[tawny garden]

you right

[heady lichen]

level 1: shadow key
level 2: WoF
level 3: ML
level 4: polter

[worthy lintel]

Problem is: if worldgen is doo doo

[inland saddle]

That could be nice

[worthy lintel]

And Abyss Shrine is gone

well, no Terminus for you

[limber ocean]

wouldn't making it WoF necessitate rebalancing a lot of stuff

[tawny garden]

[limber ocean]

since rn you're supposed to go there post-Calclone

[heady lichen]

nah

tier 2 is pre-calclone

calclone just makes it harder

you could make that layer post calclone tho

[worthy lintel]

Then you have Polter and the game-breaking weapons

[heady lichen]

would
Skele
Clone
ML

Polter

work then?

[limber ocean]

I guess?

[worthy lintel]

One per tier doesn't sound half as bad, but then RNG would kick in

[limber ocean]

I'm not the one who has to be convinced, anyway

[worthy lintel]

With some Abyss weapons not being accessible

[heady lichen]

One per tier doesn't sound half as bad, but then RNG would kick in
@worthy lintel crates

[limber ocean]

you'd have to see what the devs think

[inland saddle]

Maybe put tier 3 chests at the top of layer 4/bottom of 3, tier 2 in layer 3 and then keep shadow chests in layer 2

[worthy lintel]

Yea but resorting to fishing is a proof of bad mechanics

[heady lichen]

not really

[worthy lintel]

In an ideal world you shouldn't have to fish

[heady lichen]

you won't always get an enchanted sword

sometimes you have to fish if you really want it

[tawny garden]

crates
idea: put terminus in a crate

a wooden one

[inland saddle]

That way tier 2 chests are obtainable around the time you’re expected to go to layer 3

[tawny garden]

perfection

[heady lichen]

terminus wouldn't be crate ngl

[worthy lintel]

Ah yes, a pre-boss player fishing Terminus

[heady lichen]

prob just 1 per world if you want more whip out the cheatsheet

[worthy lintel]

[heady lichen]

also tbf it's not like they'd get anything out of doing it

what would they get, just getting yeeted by 2 mil HP king slime prehardmode?

[limber ocean]

prehardmode Boss Rush

[heady lichen]

but yeah imo this is what I think
Tier 1 chests use shadow key
Tier 2 chests unlock after calclone
Tier 3 chests unlock after ML
Tier 4 chests unlock after polter
Chests contain 2 weapons instead of 1
remaining weapons is any can be fished after those bosses have been yeeted

[inland saddle]

That sounds perfect actually

[heady lichen]

Ima prob post it in a few hours after looking at calamity balance

[inland saddle]

I’ll just update mine

[heady lichen]

kk

[limber ocean]

the problem is, is there actually loot you can put in those chests?

[heady lichen]

add more loot

[limber ocean]

yeah, but... completely new items or what?

[heady lichen]

I'd guess yeah

[worthy lintel]

Tbh, it's stupid to find a Ball O Fugu in the 3rd layer

Weapon is long obsolete

[heady lichen]

the abyss is cool and all but I feel like it lacks incentive

So thats my way of fixing it, just add new shit deeper

instead of 50 reaper sharks that you can 1shot

like you see so many letsplayers just flat out ignore the abyss past layer 1, because there's so little reason to go there for over a few minutes for materials post-calclone

or to get valediction for DoGgo

[worthy lintel]

Problem is, the Abyss is not very deep, even on a Large world

You can only add so much

[heady lichen]

there still are 4 layers, so why not make them more unique and rewarding?

[worthy lintel]

Oh, I completely ship that

It's just that it needs some dirty work to get it done

[heady lichen]

second layer feels exactly the same as first, third just feels like moray eel hell, and fourth is just a spam of "hard" enemies that by that point in the game you shred

third is the only one that feels scary, and that's in prehardmode. There's deadass no reason to go there

suggestion updated pog

[inland saddle]

How does that look?

I updated it

[heady lichen]

perfect <3

[worthy lintel]

Holds itself well

[heady lichen]

praying that this gets in, but knowing the voting system it probably won't

[worthy lintel]

Tbh, I wish the abyss was larger, it feels like a glorified hellevator full of water

[heady lichen]

^ preach

[worthy lintel]

The Mariana Trench is an actual abyss and it's 69 kilometers wide

There's room for that

[heady lichen]

haha funny number

but yeah I wish it went through the underworld and was like twice as wide

[worthy lintel]

well, not the underworld

But I really wish it was larger

Even though it's probably too annoying to code

[tawny garden]

11 km deep isn't "Abyss"

[heady lichen]

the underworld is overated yeet it out of existence

but yeah, abyss is my favorite biome by far it just feels empty. That's the point I guess, but no mod should strive to have a lack of content in a biome. coughs in glacier biome

[worthy lintel]

Something I find wacky about Abyss generation is the reason behind locking it on the Dungeon side Ocean

[heady lichen]

yeah, thorium compat

[worthy lintel]

Yea, but ever since Fab said mixing up content mods is a bad idea

It feels weird

[heady lichen]

yeah, but might as well

there's no real reason to not do it

[cobalt pewter]

Dumbasses will still combine content mods

[worthy lintel]

Fair enough

[heady lichen]

let people play like they want to play, it's a few lines of code to make some runs more interesting (though unbalanced and shitty)

[cobalt pewter]

And will still complain if Abyss and Depths mixed

[worthy lintel]

I like mayonnaise, I like ice cream

But not both at once

[heady lichen]

same, but some people do

[tawny garden]

oh fuck

[heady lichen]

that's what you gotta account for, and if making them mix is easy, then uh... help

[worthy lintel]

[heady lichen]

humanity is a mistake

I never want to hear the words mayonnaise and ice cream together in a sentence again, got it?

[worthy lintel]

I promise

[hollow sierra]

@unreal viper I think astral armor is supposed to be a sort of all class set, like demonshade

[heady lichen]

I think astral armor is supposed to be a sort of all class set, like demonshade
@hollow sierra that doesn't mean that it has to be bad for every class

might as well make it slightly worse than on-tier class armors rather than just unusable other than for memes

being able to use one armor set for all classes and multiclass is strong, but shouldn't be overestimated in a game balanced around minmaxing

[hollow sierra]

what would you consider on-tier armor to be, hydrothermic? spectre/beetle/shroomite?

[heady lichen]

hydro and beetle, the ones strictly post-golem

let's be honest, you're not fighting deus post-plant

[hollow sierra]

looks better than hydrothermic to me

[heady lichen]

[pine star]

[cobalt pewter]

Either way, if you'd read what Astral armor does overall

It does try to fill every single possibilities

[heady lichen]

while failing at all of them

hydro is simply better, even for multiclass

[cobalt pewter]

It's useful when exploring at most

[unreal viper]

yeah

[heady lichen]

you have potions for that though

[unreal viper]

But what exploring are ya really gonna be doin after cultist.

[cobalt pewter]

Honestly without all these potions mods, I won't bother with pots

And as sand said

There's barely any explorations postML

[hollow sierra]

hydro v astral
20% damage - 28% damage
17% crit - 21% crit
15% move speed - 35% move speed
2 slots with summon helmet - 3 slots
lava perks - detection perks
pretty good damage based set bonus - pretty good but very inaccurate damage based set bonus

[heady lichen]

[pine star]

[unreal viper]

h

Okay.

[heady lichen]

h
I completely agree

[hollow sierra]

i don't see how its bad

[heady lichen]

are you blind?

[unreal viper]

For one, my sugg never claimed it was bad.

[heady lichen]

^, it's not bad, it's just worse

[hollow sierra]

but you want to buff it even though its a tier above hydro

[pine star]

He said it was boring

[unreal viper]

For two, the astral star set effect is very unreliable.

[heady lichen]

the vision bonus is practically worthless

[hollow sierra]

that's personal prefference, just like using the armor is

[heady lichen]

the damage based set bonus is awful since it's unreliable as hell

[hollow sierra]

if the enemies are moving, i agree

[unreal viper]

Okay.

[heady lichen]

ah yes the classic

[unreal viper]

You will fight moon lord with astral armor.

[heady lichen]

post ML bosses standing still

why didnt I think of that

[unreal viper]

That is the only thing you will fight with it.

Ml does not stand still unless you do, you can't really stand still in ml.

[hollow sierra]

post moon lord you'd be using luminite armors

but yes the stars are crap against moonlord

so that needs changing

[heady lichen]

prob not actually

post moon lord you'd be using luminite armors

hydro still holds up post-ML

[unreal viper]

Anydoodles

I don't think the tier difference between golem and deus is big enough to warrant having a better generalist armor than hydro.

[hollow sierra]

hydro isn't generalist, it has 5 helmets

[unreal viper]

Since hydro is absolutely adaquete for moon lord.

Hydro is generalist in that it lacks a clear specialization.

It is not multiclass.

[hollow sierra]

define specialization

[heady lichen]

ngl astral having actual rewards for switching classes mid-fight would be poggers

[pine star]

Yeah

[unreal viper]

A good example is the spectre hood, which specialzes in healing.

[heady lichen]

kinda like eridanus armor

[unreal viper]

That would be good.

[pine star]

What the heck is eridanus armor?

I need to know now

[heady lichen]

it would be nice for it to not be "oh, you can play any class with this but none of them are good"

[unreal viper]

Leaning into the multiclass aspect more would be great.

[heady lichen]

https://terrariamods.gamepedia.com/Fargo's_Mod/Eridanus_Armor

[hollow sierra]

Should a jack of all trades armor really be trying to specialize though

[heady lichen]

Its set bonus grants 20% increased weapon use speed, summons a projection of Eridanus, and creates a ring of celestial fragments that orbits the player, empowering the class the fragments represent. Every 20 seconds, the ring of fragments will change to a different type (Solar -> Vortex -> Nebula -> Stardust), visually represented by fragments in the ring disappearing as the time runs out. If a weapon matching the same type as the currently active fragments is used (eg. melee weapons for Solar Fragments), the weapon will get a 40% damage increase. In addition, if a weapon matching the currently active fragment is being held, the projection of Eridanus will attack alongside the player:

If a melee weapon is held while Solar Fragments are active, Eridanus will attack with a rapid spray of short-ranged fireballs.
If a ranged weapon is held while Vortex Fragments are active, Eridanus will fire green orbs that explode on impact and inflict Lightning Rod.
If a magic weapon is held while Nebula Fragments are active, Eridanus will periodically call down barrages of Lunar Flares on top of enemies.
If a summon weapon is held while Stardust Fragments are active, Eridanus will repeatedly fire purple death rays at enemies.

[pine star]

I looked

It is pog

[heady lichen]

it is indeed pog

I was thinking astral armor would have "highly increased damage, but the more damage you deal of 1 class the lower the damage for that class would be"

so if you were going summoner/rogue, it would be a moderate increase for both

but pure rogue would gain almost no benefit

[cobalt pewter]

I find Titan Heart more interesting than Astral, despite both thematically similar ish

[heady lichen]

^

[hollow sierra]

wouldn't summons just reset the debuff

[heady lichen]

the more damage

meaning that if your summoner dps isn't great

it won't lower the damage much

[hollow sierra]

but it would be great because you have 4 minions

[pine star]

Titan Heart is more interesting

[heady lichen]

think of a scale from 0-30% or so

[pine star]

Because Astral is a master of none armor set

And Titan Heart clearly specializes

[heady lichen]

you start at 15% and the more damage you deal of one class the lower it goes down

and it regenerates when not going down

[pine star]

That seems nice

But maybe the start should be higher

Like 20%

[heady lichen]

so if you dealt a lot of damage using ranged but then switched to melee, it would regenerate until melee damage is too much

maybe 0-40%, starting at 20 then

and at 40 something cool happens

idk what that would be

but it would reward you for constantly switching classes and not having a crazy dps with one, but medium dps with all of them

[hollow sierra]

seems like unnecessary busy work

[heady lichen]

seems like you really like boring armor sets

[pine star]

That said, there is such a thing as boring but practical

[heady lichen]

the problem is

astral aint practical

[pine star]

But Astral armor does not need to be that

Because even though Astral>Hydro

Hydro is serviceable to the point of "If it isn't broken, why fix it"

[heady lichen]

astral just isn't very fun to use

it feels like ore armor compared to something like snow ruffian

[pine star]

Yeah

[heady lichen]

basically, it lacks uniqueness for it's tier

[hollow sierra]

there was a suggestion a few days ago talking about how all the hardmode calamity armors were just (insert extra projectile here)

[pine star]

And I know that a possible defense is that "IT IS AN ORE ARMOUR"

[heady lichen]

and making it more emphasized on multiclass would add uniqueness

[pine star]

Actually, not all

Daedalus isn't

[heady lichen]

there was a suggestion a few days ago talking about how all the hardmode calamity armors were just (insert extra projectile here)
they are, but they're fun at least

astral isn't fun

astral is just... there

[pine star]

And the guy who posted that is also I hate sand

Astral is just "I can get it, but do I need it?"

And the answer is always "NO"

[hollow sierra]

then perhaps the only change astral needs is making the falling stars not garbage

[heady lichen]

nah, nah

[pine star]

No

[heady lichen]

astral just isn't worth using whatsoever

it's not unique

it doesn't have that impact of hydro or lunar

it doesn't fill a niche

[pine star]

Yeah

[heady lichen]

and multiclass is an underutilized one

[pine star]

AD and ML are too close for it to fill that

[heady lichen]

astral already leans towards multiclass, so go all in on it

[pine star]

And Astral should fill the multiclass niche

[hollow sierra]

how wouldn't it be worth if the stars are as or more useful than the hydro projectile, and it has much higher stats

[heady lichen]

make it fun to use, make it a unique playstyle

how wouldn't it be worth if the stars are as or more useful than the hydro projectile, and it has much higher stats
@hollow sierra because then what's the point of hydri

[pine star]

To kill AD?

[hollow sierra]

hydro is a tier below astral, that's what the point is

[heady lichen]

that's just essentially a hydro 1.2, which nobody needs

so what

not every armor has to follow a formula

[pine star]

Yeah

[hollow sierra]

that's like saying what's the point of beetle when compared to solar

[heady lichen]

not every armor has to be "shoots x projectile dealing more damage than the previous armor"

[cobalt pewter]

Multiclass is kinda actively discouraged, specifically for summoners

[heady lichen]

astral is almost the same tier as hydro

Multiclass is kinda actively discouraged, specifically for summoners
and that's somehow a good thing?

[pine star]

But maybe make Astral allow multiclass?

[heady lichen]

it's a unique and fun playstyle

[pine star]

It isn't

[heady lichen]

that requires more effort than the rest

you have to think of what works when, isntead of just "oh, chloro bullets go brrrrrrrrr

[hollow sierra]

i wouldn't say almost the same tier when they're 4 bosses apart

[heady lichen]

they're both post-golem

[foggy plover]

lunar and post golem tiers are different

[hollow sierra]

astral is post deus, no?

[foggy plover]

it is

[pine star]

Yes

[heady lichen]

and astral is post golem

[foggy plover]

deus is post cultist

[heady lichen]

you dont do deus post plant

deus is post cultist
@foggy plover not anymore

[hollow sierra]

the boss order is golem, pbg, duke, ravager, THEN deus

[heady lichen]

but it's still reccomended post cultist

[foggy plover]

deus is entry hardmode then

post cultist is intended progression.

[heady lichen]

the boss order is golem, pbg, duke, ravager, THEN deus
@hollow sierra deus, ravager, and pbg are all the same tier

[pine star]

You don't do Deus early HM

[foggy plover]

exactly.

[heady lichen]

post golem consists of

pbg, rav, fishron, deus, cultist

[pine star]

It's Golem, PBG, Rav, LC, then Deus

[foggy plover]

its golem, pbg, ravager, duke, cultist, deus, ml

thats the order

[pine star]

Also why are we talking about order

The fact is

[foggy plover]

armor progression

[pine star]

Astral armor should be more interesting

[hollow sierra]

you're already using hydro for 5 or 6 bosses

and astral just for pillars and moon lord

[heady lichen]

you don't use astral

period

nobody ever uses it because it's not fun and it's out of the way

[pine star]

Unless you are insane enough to do Deus early HM

[heady lichen]

in my 10 runs, I've used it ONCE, and that was early HM deus for a challenge

[pine star]

But that requires being locked up in an asylum

[heady lichen]

asylum time

[pine star]

[hollow sierra]

what makes hydro fun @heady lichen

[heady lichen]

the projectiles, the theme, exploring the abyss for it

also it actually being useful

it feels like the set bonus does something other than raw stats

[hollow sierra]

astral has all those things except the projectiles, so that is what's wrong with it then

[heady lichen]

astral just has stats

the theme is weak

[pine star]

Astral Ore is easy to mine

[heady lichen]

you don't explore anything for it, you just beat a disliked boss

[hollow sierra]

killing a space god and wearing its skin is a pretty good theme

[heady lichen]

not really

that's an overexaggeration

[pine star]

Also do people really dislike AD?

[hollow sierra]

almost like a certain devourer

[heady lichen]

Also do people really dislike AD?
@pine star he's more fun now, but he's still not my fav by far

[pine star]

And we already have God Slayer armor for that theme

[heady lichen]

^

[pine star]

So IMO Astral desperately needs a theme

[unreal viper]

I personally don't think that hydro is great either, but that doesn't excuse astral.

[heady lichen]

astral needs a definition, and multiclass would be a great one

[pine star]

Yes

[swift wharf]

astral has projectiles

[heady lichen]

they're shitty though

they never hit

[swift wharf]

byeah

it needs uniqueness

[heady lichen]

you need for the boss to literally be standing still for meager damage

[unreal viper]

Astral has projectiles, but they feel pretty meh imo.

And the idea of on-hit projectiles has been done to death anyway.

[swift wharf]

its more like a hallow armor tbh

if hallow = holy stars

[pine star]

And Hallowed Armor got a cool set bonus

[swift wharf]

would be neato if it was themed around astrum deus

[pine star]

Yeah

Maybe summoning a mini AD?

[hollow sierra]

or do something with lasers

deus is a laser show

[pine star]

Or perhaps splitting?

But trying to control two people at once would be suffering

[unreal viper]

sugg chaining is a no-no, not sure if this is acceptable

[zenith hazel]

don't be too specific though

[swift wharf]

ye leave it to the devs

[zenith hazel]

just a general idea of how astral armor can be changed is good enough

[heady lichen]

it might not be, but I want to get the idea out there

[swift wharf]

the reasoning with hydrothermic and stuff is enough

[heady lichen]

also those are just examples we thought up

[zenith hazel]

this is already specific

[heady lichen]

should I remove the middle part?

[hollow sierra]

you should let sand incorporate it into his post

and delete yours

[zenith hazel]

just generalize those ideas

[heady lichen]

If sand wants to add it, I'll delete it

Just tell me when/if you're finished doing that

[zenith hazel]

as in multiclass incentives

[heady lichen]

changed it a bit (just did it again)

is everything OK with the suggestion now @zenith hazel ?

[zenith hazel]

yea I suppose smth like that is concise and general enough

[dry latch]

aren't chain suggs a don't tho?

[heady lichen]

idk, I'll see what happens

If it gets deleted so be it, just wanted to put my thoughts out there

since we had such a long discussion about it

[dry latch]

sand can update his sugg

[heady lichen]

again, I'll just keep my sugg for rn

if it gets deleted it gets deleted

[dry latch]

I'll just put this here then too

[heady lichen]

Yes, yes I get it

I'm just saying that I'll keep it there until somebody decides if its worth deleting

[dry latch]

yes and I'm telling the mods about a don't that it's breaking in case they forgot about it. I'm not telling you to delete it

[unreal viper]

I changed my sugg slightly to mention incentives for multiclass, still very general however.

[hollow shell]

???? Why there two

[gray nebula]

its kiinda litterally the same suggestion but different

wack

[hollow shell]

@heady lichen Why there two

[heady lichen]

kk, I'll delete mine real quick

[hollow shell]

Okay

[gray nebula]

bbtw rover youre here now reminds me i wanted to get your opinions on uhh a thing about lore items effects i got the idea for #suggestions-discussion message here

since youre the man behind the reworks (well i mean at least the man behind the doc with the lots of proposed reworks) i wanted to know if you had any feedback

[hollow shell]

I personally don't think lore item effects are an issue. I appreciate that they act as a new 'type' of equippable with the inventory favoriting.

[hollow sierra]

Well if they're broken they should be fixed

maybe point out which you think are broken and why

[gray nebula]

the suggestion isnt rly to delete them if you didnt scroll down furhter its to replace the stat boost stuff with aesthetics

[hollow shell]

Still.

[gray nebula]

ive just seen lots of people complain

[hollow shell]

You could make a suggestion about it

to get a people consensus

[gray nebula]

always x lore is broken with this item or y is underwhelming

[hollow shell]

A suggestion in #suggestions-posting

[gray nebula]

yeah i was gonna its just that i wanted to get your opinion first lol

also damn writing suggs is hard

(but looking at latest thing dom pulled out i rly feel like he could make some incredibly cool looking shit tthat could compensate the loss of the stat boosts through sheer swag alone)

[hollow shell]

Aesthetic effects could be neat ig

Unsure overall though

[gray nebula]

oh fuck i forgot some were associated with disabling the spawn of their respective bosse

s

[hollow sierra]

Seems like removing gameplay is a bad thing

I'm especially worried about making the aquatic scourge one have no effect, that's kind of your toxic immunity item

[hollow shell]

(cept for Effigy of Decay)

[gray nebula]

AS one is litterally just a straight up positive effect

[hollow sierra]

effigy range is way too low

and you only get one of them

[hollow shell]

Make multiple

They're craftable

[gray nebula]

and i wouldnt call the menial stat boosts given by the lore items gameplay

compared to uhhhhh

lunar items from ror2 for example the lore item tradeoffs are really boring

ever so slight increase to x stat but ever so slight decreate to y stat

[hollow sierra]

they aren't really boosts, they're trade offs to allow you to explore a different gameplay style

[gray nebula]

yeah and these tradeoffs are boring as hell

[hollow sierra]

unless one of them is literally limiting design space i would be hard against changing them

[gray nebula]

random example but

is that REALLY something necessary

[hollow shell]

I mean
Dimensional Soul Artifact is a trade-off that gives a different gameplay style
Reducing your defense by 5 or max health by 10% isn't really... notable enough

[gray nebula]

idk how max acceleration works so maybe the -5% is like a lot or not

but it seems p inconsequential to me

[hollow sierra]

So maybe they should just be really wacky? what if that one was changed so you could mine faster than you could walk

[swift wharf]

that one doesnt even make sense yeah

[gray nebula]

idk yeah they could just be more original tradeoffs

[ashen warren]

"max"? acceleration?

[swift wharf]

what the fuck are you gonna do with FIVE% mining speed

[gray nebula]

not just gain 0.5% more damage but now you loose 2 points of defense

[swift wharf]

some of them are interesting cuz they are boss related

[hollow sierra]

Making the whatever ones more impactful so you'd actually think about their benefits and drawbacks and how they modify your gameplay would be good

[gray nebula]

but you cant make them like actually fun tradeoffs like shaped glass from ror because everything needs to be balanced and stuff and not broken

[hollow shell]

(the Golem's "When standing still, the player gains 10 defense." is so laughably useless)

[swift wharf]

^

[gray nebula]

i mean i guess camper memes

[hollow sierra]

we have shaped glass, its called dimensional soul artifact

[gray nebula]

yeah

but lore items arent DSA

lore items are DSA but 10x less potent usually

[hollow sierra]

I think the key to making the lore items balanced is making sure their downsides are big or crazy enough that they aren't just extra accessories

[swift wharf]

brain of cthulhu is actually very cool

[cobalt pewter]

Or you can limit the lore changes to lores originally meant for active gameplay

[gray nebula]

like damn this DS one f or example

does anyone really care about minus 2.5% damage in early game

[cobalt pewter]

Shit like biome lores can prolly stay as it is

[swift wharf]

brain lore is VERY situational but atleast its unique

[hollow sierra]

brain lore is great

[swift wharf]

also eater

those are good exemples of good lores

[gray nebula]

your weapons wont ever go above 50 damage like

damn

[swift wharf]

yeah lmao

[gray nebula]

at post DS tier

[swift wharf]

the game might aswel round it

[sturdy geyser]

at really early game, straight number bonuses are better

instead of percentages

[gray nebula]

cant wait for that extra +0.4 damage

[sturdy geyser]

because percentages wont mean shit

[hollow shell]

So uh yeah Iban you can make a suggestion about it
Seems like you got arguments

[gray nebula]

arguments maybe but the solution is a bit blurry

[swift wharf]

destroyer lore is just sad

[gray nebula]

because replacing the tiny stat boosts by visuals is cool but then it would kinda kill the spawn remover ones which are useful and cool

[sturdy geyser]

destroyer is just sad

[gray nebula]

i mean

[hollow shell]

You could say "Either remove gameplay effects from lore items or make them more significant."

[gray nebula]

i guess the ones with the actually interesting effects could get ball and chain like items added to compensate

[hollow shell]

and uhh
We could replace the spawn-remover lores with new items, if we want

[gray nebula]

like slippery slippers for SG

[hollow sierra]

calamitas clone lore i like alot, the downside is big enough that it isn't just a auto slap on

[hollow shell]

"Anti-Evil Ointment", prevents cysts from spawning

[gray nebula]

Calamitas clone is a complete outstander because this one feels like an accessory but its actually a lore item