Maybe I'm just biased towards wings
#suggestions-discussion
visual wigeon
hollow sierra
its probably just because of slots
meager tangle
I use those, only because the tracers are a bit slower
hollow sierra
tracers are wings and boots in one slot
whole sedge
I usually only use Drew's wings as I never really find much use for CTs after yharon 
meager tangle
But I never used Silva wings
visual wigeon
They essentially make Silva invulnerability good
Because it's God Slayer revive but heals to around half
hollow sierra
sure you aren't using draconic elixir
meager tangle
Yeah, but they make you get hit anytime you land to reset flight time
craggy stratus
you can now edit, instead of adding wings, maybe focus on suggestion about drew or tracer rework
meager tangle
Imagine doing 25% less damage
visual wigeon
I mainly argued for changing drew
hollow sierra
D:
meager tangle
This post was made by full menacing gang
visual wigeon
Man, soaring insignia is gonna make y'all mad
meager tangle
It’s gotta be nerfed
hollow sierra
i would hope yharon lore does something new in 1.4
meager tangle
There’s no way
visual wigeon
For sure
crystal iron
Idk I find limited flight time useful cuz of the slow fall
visual wigeon
There's no way pre moon Lord item gives end game effects
hollow sierra
but it also couldn't since soaring takes a slot
hollow sierra
starboard with vortex armor is actually so ridiculous in vanilla
visual wigeon
It has more time
meager tangle
I didn’t realize it was that good
hollow sierra
its betsy's wings and jetpack with solar wing stats
visual wigeon
So starboard is dummy thicc
crystal iron
you could argue that most weapons aren't interesting to use cuz they all pretty much just shoot out projectiles
but that's just me probably
hollow sierra
you should do a true melee playthrough
craggy stratus
sulphurous grapper is the only yoyo with interesting mechanic
meager tangle
True melee scal seems impossible
crystal iron
Ye cuz she runs away
craggy stratus
i would love to see new yoyo mechanic
meager tangle
The position lock
hollow sierra
scarf and symbiote really pushes true melee hard pre hardmode
visual wigeon
You'd have to utilize cosmic discharge
craggy stratus
@meager tangle off topic, but scal acceleration is slower when you are holding a true melee weapon
crystal iron
Imo yoyos should definitely get s buff but I don't think every yo-yo should have a unique gimmick to it
meager tangle
She always stays a set distance away from you while she’s firing
dapper coral
it's not impossible, just insanely difficult
visual wigeon
Crescent moon to kill dog, cosmic discharge for scal and yharon
dapper coral
but yes, that's a bit offtopic now
meager tangle
Crescent moon has projectiles, doesn’t it?
visual wigeon
Oh shoot
crystal iron
Ye
craggy stratus
that why yoyo should be sulphurous grabber kind of unique instead of spawning extra projectile or explosions
visual wigeon
Well dog is a pickle
hollow sierra
Thinking about it, yharon lore can probably be unchanged for 1.4
soaring taking a slot is a HUGE downside
crystal iron
I think that only the major yoyos should be super unique
cobalt pewter
The only thing I'd give a pass for is like
Microwave
Because the sounds itself already sets it apart from other yoyos
craggy stratus
was expecting you to say shimmerspark
cobalt pewter
smh
craggy stratus
or yinyo
cobalt pewter
I haven't checked Shimmerspark
visual wigeon
Flails tho
cobalt pewter
And yinyo was kinda ech for me
visual wigeon
1.4 flails will change a bit
craggy stratus
well not homing, but rather at the target
crystal iron
I'm shimmers park gang it carried me all the way up to golem : )
crystal iron
Isn't the grand dad even better
craggy stratus
but, i agree on the microwave
visual wigeon
Unless exploding counts as fake melee
craggy stratus
best yoyo
visual wigeon
Grand dad don't explode
crystal iron
Oh
visual wigeon
It just has way more dmg
cobalt pewter
The rest of yoyos are "...ok"
crystal iron
I haven't used it on a while
cobalt pewter
Like, they do something, but usually it's classic melee shenanigans kinda something
crystal iron
Ye the yoyos are a little identical
cobalt pewter
Which is already lame
crystal iron
But as I said only the major ones should have unique mechanics
It would be hard to grasp if all yoyos were unique if you know what I mean
Like the grabber yoyo
Sulphurous grabber*
crystal iron
Although I think in general yoyos need a buff of sorts cuz like, they're really hard cuz of the range, most bosses go off screen or for example scal is too far away to hit with a yo-yo afaik
crystal iron
Well ye but a subclass should still be viable against all bosses
craggy stratus
your range is your screen
it is viable
you just choose to play a subclass
thats why it is harder
crystal iron
Ye but yoyos are still a bit neglected if I say so myself
I've never seen anyone use a yo-yo but that might just be me
zenith hazel
since when did a subclass have to be viable for every boss?
cobalt pewter
I never said that?
I just think that almost all yoyos are, idk, kinda lame
Save for grabber (which I mentioned), and microwave
And maybe oracle, but I won't comment much on that
tawny garden
Oracle™️
zenith hazel
I'm referring to what koorapika said
crystal iron
It just makes sense that a weapon at a certain tier is a viable option for a boss at that tier
crystal iron
I'm not a modder or anything so idk much about this stuff but why would u make a weapon, the oracle for example if it's not long enough to hit scal most of the time (I haven't touched that weapon in ages so it might've gotten a huff since then)
zenith hazel
that.. doesn't 100% carry over to subclasses
zenith hazel
also oracle is hella enough to hit scal
tawny garden
the last one is ehh
zenith hazel
it reaches the edge of your screen in 1920x1080 even
cobalt pewter
Too bad my screen is smol
But there's unlimited zoom 
I actually haven't done another yoyo run yet
I prolly will
crystal iron
oh I have a square monitor so that's why it didn't reach probably
tawny garden
@stark iris please remove the "I've had to type this out a second time as my keyboard deleted it from the box for some reason last time." sentence, it shouldn't be in the sugg
craggy stratus
this sugg, i feel like, violate half of "dont" list
tawny garden
nah
craggy stratus
"4) Use the music "threats of the ocean floor" as it fits abyssal bosses perfectly and seems like a waste not to use the amazing song somewhere."
meager tangle
Adult eidolon wyrm is basically meant to be a dungeon guardian of the abyss, it stops you from doing a specific thing
tawny garden
it does have a lot of "I'd like it"
cobalt pewter
this sugg, i feel like, violate half of "dont" list
That's a record for sure
dapper coral
this feels a lot like "add a new boss" to me
crystal iron
It's also technically suggesting a new boss and re-tiering it
dapper coral
granted, it's not new, per se
meager tangle
Yeah
stark iris
@stark iris please remove the "I've had to type this out a second time as my keyboard deleted it from the box for some reason last time." sentence, it shouldn't be in the sugg
@tawny garden k
tawny garden
it's not new
dapper coral
but it suggests a rework into a boss which is basically the same thing
meager tangle
@stark iris
What would the point of it be?
serene fox
another worm boss 
stark iris
I just think it seems fitting
tawny garden
reasoning could definitely be expanded
stark iris
Like it has soo much to it
meager tangle
I mean, why should it be added other than “it’s a good pattern”
craggy stratus
stark iris
Probs
tawny garden
"I think it seem fitting" isn't strong enough
proper grail
We're sure having a lot of Abyss suggestions
stark iris
What would you suggest I write instead
meager tangle
It has no reason to be a boss other than to be a new worm
proper grail
This fits well with my Softlocked layer 4 and the expanded layer 4 ideas
meager tangle
Well, it could spawn naturally when you hit layer 4
stark iris
I was thinking like it could be fought all the way up through the sulphurous sea without enraging
meager tangle
That could be an interesting mechanic
stark iris
Just a suggestion tho
meager tangle
But I think it’d be too similar to dungeon guardian that way
stark iris
I was thinking making it into a less insta death guy
meager tangle
But why should it be a boss?
stark iris
So you can look at him for more than 2 seconda
meager tangle
You’ve only said “it seems fitting”
tawny garden
why would it benefit the mod
meager tangle
That’s not a reason
Also he’s entirely meant to be insta death
That’s the whole point of him
meager tangle
Why
ashen warren
That's literally what he's based off on
stark iris
Where yes you can get (almsot) insta kill ones
It just seems like so much wasted potential
That's literally what he's based off on
@ashen warren oh rly? Lol
tawny garden
he looked more like them in the olden days
meager tangle
Yeah, he used to look a lot more like it apparently
ashen warren
His old sprite is a ghost leviathan
stark iris
Kinda ya
meager tangle
And hate teleportation
ashen warren
I think Eidolon wyrms should stay as level hazards tbh
stark iris
Last time I teleported on subnautics I wasn't insta killed lol
Yea just my thoughts on it
proper grail
To me, it seems like the EW should be a boss guarding the Terminus. Keep the one-hit, add new attacks, but decrease the crazy defense. It's an optional boss that would unlock BR for you should you choose to do that
stark iris
Personally I don't think Yahron should drop the boss rush item
You should have to go to the abyss to get it
Or be able to craft it after scal
ashen warren
Yeah, Yharon dropping the terminus never made sense for me either
cobalt pewter
Yharon no longer drops terminus
stark iris
Oh not that far yet
stark iris
Am stuck at death mode providence
Like 4 hours today 😎
Can't wait for his new attack pattern
stark iris
No as in yahrons new pattern
meager tangle
Oh
stark iris
Unless... Yahron girl 😳😳
meager tangle
You mentioned providence and I got confused
stark iris
Lol
meager tangle
Lol
proper grail
To me, it seems like the EW should be a boss guarding the Terminus. Keep the one-hit, add new attacks, but decrease the crazy defense. It's an optional boss that would unlock BR for you should you choose to do that
@stark iris wdyt?
proper grail
That means revise
dapper coral
because your biggest reasons are "it seems like wasted potential" and "it would be cool"
stark iris
Yea just my ops
proper grail
There's no good reason this should be added as your reasoning stands now.
dapper coral
plus i'm not sure if this is even allowed
proper grail
^
stark iris
It isn't technically adding a new boss, just reworking a kinda old one
dapper coral
AEW was never intended to be a boss in the first place
stark iris
Ya tho I understand the insane amount of effort
tawny garden
Yea just my ops
and there is your problem
dapper coral
you're taking a miniboss-sort-of-thing and asking to turn it into a real boss, which as you've said would require a lot more interesting attacks and such
stark iris
Idk rly what to say lol
Just what I think
Probs not the best
Hence, the suggestions
dapper coral
well yes
meager tangle
Provide some real reasons if you want it implemented
tawny garden
it's a little more complicated here
dapper coral
but your suggestions should also have solid evidence/reasoning backing it up, not just pure opinion
stark iris
Should I take it down and rework it tomorrow
meager tangle
You can just edit it now
tawny garden
you have 24 hours
stark iris
Its 1am
meager tangle
Ah
stark iris
Ooo time limit I like this
Imma try to get it up for sometime in the evening tomorrow
stark iris
Also incase I sound a little disrespectful I would like to say I'm rly grateful for you guys work
I'm not the best at getting what I'm tryna say out lol
proper grail
Is that okay with you, Ulaak, if I reword it and credit you?
stark iris
If you want to yea I'm down for that, that would be great
stark iris
Ya that's perfectly fine with me
proper grail
Cool. I'm a novelist and essayist in addition to being a grammar Nazi, so it's a huge drive to perfect things like this
Thank you for letting me fix it
proper grail
Lemme know tomorrow if anything's off
stark iris
Thanks man
proper grail
No problem!
dapper coral
woo, first suggbot post in 20 days
tawny garden
@ashen warren I love you
mighty knot
wouldn't it make more sense to increase his movement speed then? to stop the running away cheese?
dapper coral
balance has been restored
proper grail
It's up again!
mighty knot
also suggestion bot is back poggers
tawny garden
whole sedge
sugg bot is back!
proper grail
(although I kinda liked the mods posting it themselves, felt a little more personal lol)
dapper coral
(also allowed for such memes as Suggestion Author: Me)
tawny garden
dapper coral
byeah
proper grail
Ah ues
dapper coral
good stuff
dapper coral
okay, ig we need a color for 🛠️ since everything else has one lmao
tawny garden
nah, I don't think so
mighty knot
wouldn't it make more sense to increase his movement speed then? to stop the running away cheese?
regarding the most recent suggestion
sand umbra
...you know what. I don't wanna know
proper grail
Oh, Demik, if anyone is having a really hard time wording their suggestion, refer them to me. I'm a writer and I'd be happy to edit people's suggs for them
dapper coral
i'll keep that in mind
thomas why are you confused
if it's about 🛠️ then read new pin
tawny garden
pink color for the tools reaction
meager tangle
What requirements does a suggestion have to meet to be put into voting?
meager tangle
Ooo
dapper coral
at 200 stars on a mod suggestion, it gets sent to devs
dapper coral
140 stars on a server suggestion will get it sent to moderators
tawny garden
140 stars for server suggs
for some godforsaken reason
meager tangle
I’ve been pushing that for weeks
meager tangle
I don’t understand what you mean
emoji sugg to go through
meager tangle
Oh lol
dapper coral
(that's a joke btw)
meager tangle
Oh
tawny garden
byeah
dapper coral
we basically just decided that server suggs didn't get as much attention as mod suggs and only a very very very small percentage of them ever got through
so we lowered the limit
meager tangle
Ok
cobalt pewter
Suggbot is back
meager tangle
That makes sense
cobalt pewter
dapper coral
although hage was conveniently the first thing to pass with the new limit active
tawny garden
but what I said is slightly true
meager tangle
But what does that have to do with US politics?
tawny garden
political joke
meager tangle
Ok
tawny garden
are other bots also back btw?
violet minnow
sugg bot back :)
meager tangle
I love sugg bot
dapper coral
yep, everything's back on now
tawny garden
tawny garden
meager tangle
Did anyone else notice that some of the devs have been in a voice chat basically all day?
heady storm
Massive thanks to Amber. 
copper turret
Adult eidolon wyrm as a boss... hm. It would feel out of place because it's supposed to deter people from RoD inside the abyss... and now it's a boss?
meager tangle
Who found that bug?
proper grail
IDK but it spawned a lot of memes
meager tangle
I saw it in a hectique video
craggy stratus
jared meme to be exact
proper grail
Ah
meager tangle
Yeah
craggy stratus
popularized by that video
craggy stratus
pretty sure, no
craggy stratus
if it is too long you can put it in a document
tawny garden
ye
proper grail
Whelp lol
tawny garden
make a google doc
proper grail
Let that sit there while I copy stuff
craggy stratus
AEW could be an important mini-boss, but protecting only terminus?
dapper coral
but i haven't tried it myself
violet minnow
adult worm boi should never be a boss, the halibut cannon drop is just to op and it should be reserved as a special thing that is an extra hard challenge to beat
heady storm
@dapper coral wait, what's wrong with the AEW sugg?
river glen
¯_(ツ)_/¯
heady storm
I don't see a ping directed towards the person either.
dapper coral
because a) the reasoning is mostly "it's wasted potential" and "it'd be cool," which is more opinion based than anything, and b) i'm not even entirely sure if this is allowed because it's very much like adding a new boss, just with slightly less effort
ping wasn't needed since they were there in the convo
heady storm
I see I see, just wanted to check.
dapper coral
tawny garden
I don't see a ping directed towards the person either.
several pings were "issued"
heady storm
Wait it's gone.
wooden wedge
it is gone
stark iris
Me and (mostly) solstice revising it, will be posted tomorrow maybe
Too many opinions
Not enought faxs
tawny garden
📠
stark iris
Probs shouldn't be writing suggestions at 1am too
heady storm
Philo go to bed.
dapper coral
both of you sleep
heady storm
dapper coral
suggestions channels will still be here in the morning probably
summer sentinel
I liked manually posting suggs in a way but anyways, suggestions can be anything really as long as well, they are worded with proper evidence, and gn Philo, sleep or 
glass sentinel
just so you can write Suggestion Author: Me
serene fox
you should also sleep lauren 
stark iris
Everyone must sleep
summer sentinel
it's 6:30 pm so no
stark iris
Rn
stark iris
Strong boys need early nights
serene fox
ok and?
summer sentinel
ok goodnight then
stark iris
Frick
serene fox
tawny garden
stark iris
Welp guess imma head out then
summer sentinel
(go back onto suggesting things now)
stark iris
Oh wait yes sorry
heady storm
Cool, what suggestions are broken. 
sleek turret
The auric tesla wings is kinda a SIS. (I forgot the acronym I think)
craggy stratus
still havent edited
sleek turret
Yeah.
glass sentinel
is drews always meant to be pre scal or just endgame?
serene fox
drew's is pre-scal so
sleek turret
yeah
serene fox
and you don't need much flight for br anyway
glass sentinel
no, i meant as a dedicated item
mossy badge
i would prefer auric wings
summer sentinel
yes
sleek turret
yes
cobalt pewter
It's fab's wings ye
glass sentinel
they arent?
serene fox
why doesn't the wiki mention it
heady storm
Drew's wings aren't necessarily "dedicated."
mossy badge
and the godslayer wings too
summer sentinel
It's basically his addition in the mod, not necessarily like a "donor crediting" but of course it is his for his making of the mod, it's dedicated but not donor/dev dedicated it's just, in there
sleek turret
anyways, you don't really need to much flight on BR or SCal.
because first, Celestial Tracers and Drew Wings wing time is very long.
heady storm
@dapper coral hewwo, this sugg we're talking about broken necessarily?
sleek turret
considering on SCal fight its a box, and most of the time you'll bumb to the roof.
dapper coral
hrm
serene fox
or rail abuse 
dapper coral
okay so my first issue is that it's asking to create an item so that we can create an item
proper grail
Done
cobalt pewter
5k
serene fox
holy fuck that's a long doc
sleek turret
oh god
cobalt pewter
what
proper grail
That was a *lot of work
cobalt pewter
serene fox
could you like
dapper coral
that kinda comes under its own sugg, you shouldn't need extra crafting materials (especially if they're functional items) to make your sugg
sleek turret
Time to read it all over.
cobalt pewter
This competes with one of Thomas' thesis
serene fox
summarize and compress your points at least a little bit?
heady storm
Demik help.
proper grail
I'm an essayist and novelist, this is what I do lol
dapper coral
god???
serene fox
most people aren't willing to read college essays so
sleek turret
jesus
cobalt pewter
@proper grail ye summarize what happened with the sugg in general in the sugg itself
The doc is more for detailed explanation
sleek turret
well, I'll come back after some 10-20 minutes.
dapper coral
okay uhhh let me read this before i continue about the other one i guess
cobalt pewter
Yeah sure
Thing is
Most don't read docs
Heck
Most have attention span slightly bigger than a teaspoon
serene fox
dapper coral
docs inherently have a lower chance of being starred because no one can be bothered to click on them to read it
summer sentinel
considering how many people complain about carpet...
this, yeah
serene fox
they are yes
cobalt pewter
Byeah, it's fine
mossy badge
could someone suggest it for me
im not good at being persuasive
serene fox
suggest what exactly?
dapper coral
okay so first thing right off the bat solstice
mossy badge
being more than just d o w n
mighty knot
okay, here's a couple things
summer sentinel
to address the auric tesla wing thing: It's not necessarily a thing well warrranted because of drew wings basically as was mentioned earlier and as for your thing Brue, you can suggest that as people have mentioned wanting it to be toggeable (for auric carpet toggle)
dapper coral
#4 is a bug report, not something that should be addressed through suggestions really
proper grail
I'm doing this sheerly for the sake of arguing a point. I don't necessarily agree with this, I'm just reworking another person's idea for them because of my OCD. Trust me, I see the problems.
dapper coral
i mean
that kinda defies the point doesn't it? it's your name it's going under, after all
sleek turret
uh, I came back after reading.
proper grail
I make it clear it's not my idea: this is literally just a trial to see if other people want suggestions reworded
sleek turret
there are some "specific reworks" on the suggestion doc.
although, everything is fine.
dapper coral
okay but like
mighty knot
first of, yeah, what demik just said. no unused tracks.
second, you could add a point about how the fourth layer is a perfect boss arena already
third, this is basically an 'add a boss' suggestion so that's a don't
fourth, again like demik said, the fourth one is just a bug, and I don't see how it contributes
fifth, the abyss is intentionally really hard to be in. if the boss was fought there, it would either be really obnoxious because of that or it would remove the obnoxiousness, breaking the immersion of the abyss biome
dapper coral
it's just gonna get exclam'ed again because there are still invalid points in there
sleek turret
its mostly specific.
dapper coral
if you're taking on the effort to rewrite a previously-invalid sugg, then you should probably be removing the invalidities with it
proper grail
Well those can be dealt with now that it's legible
I just wanted to get something I could understand
Now comes the rework
What specifically should be changed, besides the soundtrack idea.
craggy stratus
another boss arena that limited to the natural biome, sound pretty nice
sleek turret
The part where do you mostly suggest specific reworks.
proper grail
That's theoretical but specific, true
I'd like to keep the general idea though
What parts are too specific, I'll remove/generalize them
Like, actual examples
craggy stratus
"To me [...] whole fight", after the reasonings section
dapper coral
#4 is irrelevant because a) that's a bug and b) a jared pet already exists in cal vanities iirc
proper grail
I thought so about that last one, I put it in for safeties sake
Better to delete than add
There, that's a lot more general
Jared and the soundtrack have been removed
What next
dapper coral
wew you lost 1k characters, epic
proper grail
Lol
cobalt pewter
e🅱️ic
summer sentinel
yeah it exists there Demik and it's the hardest thing to get too
proper grail
Okay, what other problems are there?
heady storm
I think everything got addressed for you.
crude geode
proper grail
Okay then, it's at least not going to get exclaimed now? I'm pretty sure I addressed all problems I was approached with.
heady storm
Yeah, you're probably fine now.
crude geode
Tbh this feels like it falls under the "extreme effort" don't.
@proper grail Also, the magic attacks from LC is to reinforce the connection of the eidolists and the eidolyn worms.
summer sentinel
@upbeat parcel refer to the pins here on proper suggestion posting etiquette since your post isn't really a....suggestion that fits the rules
heady storm
give yharim a doom blade one of these fuckers right in the picture below
Future content is a don't regardless, assuming you mean like that.
fossil finch
Is that a "would be cool" reasoning?
I don't see a point of the sugg anyways
heady storm
"Looks cool" isn't valid reasoning either, yeah.
fossil finch
If it's talking about the boss, then yeah, it's also a don't, if it's about the character
Unnecesary and unoriginal i'd say
heady storm
Just going to delete it then, doesn't seem passable even when changed.
upbeat parcel
Damn
hot zephyr
Do people really want the AEW to be a full boss? IMO there's already more than enough content in the abyss/sulph sea section of the world
The whole point of AEW is that it's supposed to be an unkillable anti-cheese system.
It's like asking Dungeon Guardian to be a real boss
crude geode
I also feel like the attack section is kinda weak, since it's mean to connect it back to LC, and the Eidolists.
cobalt pewter
Oh yeah I forgot
I wanted to make a sugg on buff/rework of Reaper Shark
Currently Reaper Shark's movement got easily dwarved by the mobility you got from abyssal diving suit
And it just can't deal contact damage half the time
heady storm
Neat, looks fine.
wooden wedge
they charge at you
and sometimes play clash of clans
sturdy geyser
😳
heady storm
They hide, and then go towards you, and then charge at you, and then slow down.
cobalt pewter
They're supposedly trying to jumpscare and dash into ya
Which I'd appreciate if the mob is immune to Hunter
😔
glass sentinel
another abyss sugg, but in all seriousness i kinda agree, altho they are really tanky iirc
cobalt pewter
In fact the tankiness made the whole fight even more boring
You have to endure this boring show for like, 2 mins tops
At least with the size of Wyrms, it's kinda acceptable for them to be way slower
At least visually
Reaper Shark is about slightly bigger then juvenile's head
proper grail
Abyss suggestions be popping
hollow sierra
You wouldn't want to buff reaper shark's mobility to the point where flippers are required
mandatory accessories are gross
cobalt pewter
You already use the diving stuff to get into the lower layers anyway
hollow sierra
i might not be
cobalt pewter
You might not, but Abyssal Diving Suit is pretty much the norm if you want to have enough time farming for Abyss minibosses
hollow sierra
ocean spirit and aquatic emblem is plenty for exploring level 3
hollow sierra
mandatory potion buffs aren't much better than mandatory accessories
dapper coral
i mean okay but
it's the abyss
what do you expect lol
it's literally a massive body of water, there's no reason not to use flippers or gills or whatever
hollow sierra
Is a good point
golden narwhal
"ban abyss because breathing accs and buffs are mandatory" when
cobalt pewter
ashen warren
delete abyss and make a new biome
crude geode
ban 90% of calamity bosses bc shield dashing is required to not get annihilated
river glen
NOO WHY WYRM A BOSS
serene fox
mfw another worm boss
crude geode
same
gray nebula
late comment but like damn a 4000 characters+ suggestion put in a Google doc has a low chance of making it ij because most people are too lazy to read
I mean I guess some will just see "new boss!" and star ir
glass sentinel
thomas always did google doc suggs
glass sentinel
i think its a specific sugg
gray nebula
current AEW isn't boss material at all it's just a super tanky one shot worm
glass sentinel
its more a dungeon guardian
frail mantle
thomas did google doc suggs because he had fifteen hundred things to say, though he was well aware that people don't bother reading google docs
gray nebula
no interesting movement patterns or attacks
glass sentinel
thomas did google doc suggs because he had fifteen hundred things to say, though he was well aware that people don't bother reading google docs
fair
gray nebula
it's just as good as a dungeon guardian
summer sentinel
yeah Iban it's not allowed for a new boss sugg
gray nebula
so yeah making it a boss would basically involve making a totally new boss
summer sentinel
I'll ! then for that point alone + you input (ty)
gray nebula
ok there's already the sprites made but even then it would still need everything else
and extra sprites
summer sentinel
oh not to mention you'd have to rewrite its AI entirely too basically 
glass sentinel
and no more jared
frail mantle
The AEW has one of the single most beautiful and unique sprites and noise collection in the whole game [...]
this is heavily subjective
glass sentinel
change jared? blasphemy
frail mantle
well, the "single most beautiful" part is
glass sentinel
i mean a lot of the calam sprites are 
summer sentinel
now technically yes AEW is in the game but you wouldn't just make the current AEW state into a boss with a boss label on it, that just wouldn't make sense
tawny garden
'its a boss sug anyways I'm pretty sure those are uh
It's not a new boss sugg
So it's allowed
frail mantle
i'd say it is a new boss sugg
tawny garden
Just that it has a low chance of going anywhere
gray nebula
no just exclamation Mark it I think
frail mantle
cause it might not be about adding an entire separate entity that is also a boss, but it is about more bosses
gray nebula
boss sugg aren't disallowed just arbitrarily
and all the reasons why boss suggs are banned apply to this sugg
plus it's really asking to make an entirely new boss just with the premade sprite of aew
frail mantle
also
Another potential Post-ML boss.
isn't post-ML already the part of the game with the most Calamity bosses?
summer sentinel
I exclamation it purely because of the fact that while is sort of a "miniboss" so to say for the AEW, making it to a viable boss will result in reworking its ai and features which, as the doc said, will take time to do so
tawny garden
I was wrong
frail mantle
besides, i'd honestly rather have more things that aren't bosses to deal with post-ML, cause most of post-ML (except for AR T3, which is nice cause it's some variety) is already boss fights
tawny garden
Post-ML has 2 more
glass sentinel
mhm
ashen warren
smart 
glass sentinel
Yes, that's me
and humble obviously
sleek hornet
finally the sugg bot revives from the death
ashen warren
sturdy geyser
the recent suggestion is valid (i think), but why would you further extend the pointless grind of bar of life
its not like these bars will be hard to get
it forces you to do meaningless busy work
sleek hornet
but at the point of progression you need life alloys that grind is nothing when compared to say grinding for anything else
sturdy geyser
if the grind is nothing then why is the material there
sleek hornet
as i said, its for make up the theme of life alloy
sturdy geyser
as you can tell from the sprite, life alloy is made up of perennial, cryonic, and scoria bars
golden narwhal
I mean, life alloy's theme isn't really stated anywhere to be related to the "classic" elements (which you actually kinda acknowledge)
sturdy geyser
yes
cryonic doesn't really fit into that well
as in like, it doesn't fit into classic elements at all
sleek hornet
well suggestion is suggestion, lets wait till it marked
golden narwhal
I mean, my first thought if you're too mobile is to cut down on mobility equipment rather than add a cap
adding a cap to mobility is also ech imo tbh iirc
ashen warren
I mean, my first thought if you're too mobile is to cut down on mobility equipment rather than add a cap
@golden narwhal tell that to celestial tracer + draconic elixir lol
serene fox
it's not even that fast tho (not based)
golden narwhal
use drew's wings 
ashen warren
wait let me try
golden narwhal
Also, could just be not used to the speed
ashen warren
ok, flight speed and acceleration wise still stays the same
golden narwhal
Byea, tbh I'd expand on "too much mobility can be abused" over "scal requires slow movement and gear there is fast"
Since adding a cap solely because of one boss (which you can adapt to even with the speed of wings) seems a bit overboard
ashen warren
does it look better now
golden narwhal
Somewhat, yes
Tho iirc, fab already has a plan for the frog accs and their godly stacking
ashen warren
in my opinion, capping at celestial tracer/drew's wing speed (without anything else like the addition of draconic elixir) should be enough but that's just me
low remnant
is there any sort of visual or sound cue to indicate whether or not you're too far away from Providence and are taking damage because of it? I don't like that you have to estimate your distance, especially since sometimes you need space to avoid projectiels
sleek hornet
no, its just that debuff, nothing else
low remnant
does that have the potential to be a suggestion? (i.e. is that legal)
robust lava
It has been suggested before to give her some sort of visual radius iirc
low remnant
ah, ok. I'll hold off for now, then
figured it was worth checking - from a beginner's perspective, that feature doesn't make much sense. It caught me off guard a few times
crude geode
@ashen warren Future suggestions are a don’t.
@sleek hornet The whole point of alloy of life is that it’s the three hardmode modded ores combined into one. No need to throw the pre-hm Victide and aerialite in for no apparent reason.
sleek hornet
ok, i see
crude geode
plus as said before, it increases the excessive grind of materials that is already omnipresent in calamity
river glen
bruh with the release of 1.4
u can have inifite flight with soaring
and have 10% with ravager lore
without hindering your flight
serene fox
cal will mostly likely vore insignia
crude geode
^
river glen
what
crude geode
You heard Brue 
serene fox
cobalt pewter
whatever is happening here
river glen
wtf is vore
crude geode
river glen
;-;
serene fox
basically insignia dies
serene fox
yeah p much
crude geode
I hope inner tube stays busted. It’s funny
serene fox
tawny garden
ashen warren
yeah i wish
fossil finch
Frog leg accs don't stack with other frog leg accs
real steppe
I think this had always been favored by everyone even by the devs though nobody got the time to code for it
its perfectly understandable
pine star
Yeah
unreal viper
I agree so much
Big parts of pml just feel like such a grinding slog since you’re just experiencing old content again
Making the ai unique would make it way more fun
hot zephyr
Capping flight speed? 
Capping mobility accessories?
That's a terrible idea; there's no damage cap or defense cap why should there be a mobility cap?
Not only that, it's a band-aid fix. If you can run away from the bosses easily that's an issue with the bosses not the player.
cobalt pewter
The issue with the suggester was that they lack any control in scal fight because they're speed
rose jewel
frail mantle
adding an upgrade to a weapon doesn't make more people use the weapon
cobalt pewter
how ya doin' muramasa
cobalt pewter
Nychthemeron momentum
vestal ibex
and its gods paranoia hells sun and burning strife
pine star
vestal ibex
and stealth strikes cause the spiky ball to fragment dealing exo freeze and god slayer inferno for 10 seconds which then all can connect to another target
cobalt pewter
Jesus fuck stop
vestal ibex
and those will fragment
pine star
Listen
vestal ibex
and connect
vestal ibex
no
cobalt pewter
No sis
frail mantle
you aren't allowed to suggest specific items
pine star
EVER
vestal ibex
oh
cobalt pewter
vestal ibex
what
pine star
vestal ibex
oof
frail mantle
if you want to suggest something i'd advice reading the pinned document in #suggestions-posting, it lists what you can and can't suggest
vestal ibex
oh ok
vestal ibex
idk it seems like a good idea
pine star
That’s arguably worse than an SIS
ashen warren
yeah
vestal ibex
oh i have to say why right?
ashen warren
its more hardwork for the devs
cobalt pewter
Oh my god
vestal ibex
oh
cobalt pewter
Read the pins
vestal ibex
well what is good is that it doesnt have to be implemented
gray nebula
:peepoconfusion:
sturdy geyser
yeah but like
vestal ibex
it wasnt in the suggestion donts
sturdy geyser
suggestions still have rules
gray nebula
being worried about not making specific item suggestions then making a specific miniboss suggestion
brittle nexus
Me when
Mini boss sugg
cobalt pewter
lmao
pine star
Lol
cobalt pewter
being worried about not making specific item suggestions then making a specific miniboss suggestion
pine star
404
craggy stratus
certified bruh moment
vestal ibex
lol
craggy stratus
ctrl + f in the doc to find keywords smh
vestal ibex
k imma delete
i agree
but there is one more thing i want to suggest that shouldnt be too hard
scal should instantly kill you if you leave the arena
"tried to escape"
cobalt pewter
The enrage is enough
brittle nexus
I think an enrage and practical invulnerability is enough
vestal ibex
yharon does
violet minnow
yah the enrage is fine, especally with misclicks of normality relocator
zenith hazel
that just unnecessarily punishes players for accidentally using RoD outside
cobalt pewter
if the player accidentally rod out
That's why you don't use rod
craggy stratus
you can rod outside of yharon arena
cobalt pewter
hollow sierra
@ashen warren if you cap mobility boosts, should you also cap damage boosts? you're choosing to sacrifice your slots for extra of either and should get full benefit of whatever you choose to slot in
ashen warren
why do you want so much mobility in the first place
hollow sierra
to dodge better obviously, just like i want that much damage to kill faster
ashen warren
celestial tracer's raw speed is already enough tho
hollow sierra
perhaps
violet minnow
its also the players choice if they want to cheese the bossfight
hollow sierra
soaring insignia is pretty much the epitome of this, you waste a slot you could have gotten massive stat benefits from to get the infinite flight
ashen warren
soaring insignia isnt going to be in calamity
or rather will be butchered by cal's balancing
hollow sierra
I don't think so
taking up a slot is a bigger downside than yharon lore's 25% damage
cobalt pewter
Either way, if you don't want speed, throw everything that'd give you speed
Usually Drew's Wings are better vs scal for the control
Then post scal craft it into tracers
And fab already planned to take action on the 1.4 funni frog leg upgrade stacks
ashen warren
the problem now is that the celestial tracer + draconic elixir are both priority if you were to fight scal or boss rush but two of them together give too much of a flight acceleration and speed
fossil finch
Taking up a slot is def not a bigger downside than 25% less damage lol
At the point insignia is gotten, no acc gives you that much damage
violet minnow
why are you using so much speed with scal
cobalt pewter
Celestial Tracers definitely aren't important vs scal
violet minnow
you literally dont want speed for scal
cobalt pewter
Drew is more than enough
ashen warren
I mean speed when I fly
violet minnow
still it doesnt let you cheese the fight
ashen warren
cause drew's wings and tracers share the same speed in air and will get uber boosted by elixir
violet minnow
if you want a flight cap use defiled
ashen warren
we are capping flight speed, not flight time mind you
cobalt pewter
Pretty sure Tracers have slightly better horizontal speed than Drew
Don't quote me on that
hollow sierra
Are you using burden breaker for boss rush or something? lol
violet minnow
there is no need for a speed cap, as it is a trade for damage
if you dont like that you can go fast then thats your choise
just dont use elixer and tracers if it buggs you so much
hollow sierra
Is it a matter of "because it exists i'm compelled to use it" ? @ashen warren
ashen warren
Are you using burden breaker for boss rush or something? lol
@hollow sierra lets say youre in the final few phases of scal and the gaps between the projectiles are tight, it would be optimal to have lower speed to squeeze through right?
violet minnow
yah but we dont need a speedcap
hollow sierra
I dunno, i usually just tap the buttons
violet minnow
just use slower stuff
hollow sierra
ball and chain gang
ashen warren
just dont use elixer and tracers if it buggs you so much
@violet minnow they are both a must have accessory and potion at that point so
hollow sierra
Here's a question, should drew's wings have tracer's extended immunity frames?
ashen warren
maybe?
violet minnow
there is ZERO reason to limit speed, as it makes the rest of endgame more fun
cobalt pewter
Elixir is definitely not a must have
violet minnow
if YOU dont like the ability to go fast, then just dont go fast
ashen warren
elixir is funny because people mainly use it so they can replenish half their hp after the godslayer effect triggers but it has the wing speed boost which is pretty unnecessary
anyway, I don't see why you would want to go over tracer's raw speed
its already good enough
violet minnow
cause i need to get from the sulfurous sea to my base really fast and left my cellphone in storage accidentily
what if it was only limited during bossfights
ashen warren
need I remind you the increase in speed does not increase max speed, but the acceleration
violet minnow
yah but still getting to max speed faster means less travel time
ashen warren
and you could use a mount like fabsol's to travel at 108 mph anyway
much faster than tracers
violet minnow
well the world aint flat and i have issues with that mount and stuff not being flat
ashen warren
I think my sugg is a little bit misleading where I used speed instead of acceleration
violet minnow
also i use the jelly bean mount anyways
i would be happy with it if it only limited accel during bossfights, but not during normal play
cobalt pewter
Not now
violet minnow
once 1.4 calamity comes out
serene fox
when 1.4 drops
river glen
eh
ok
empress of light death mode
should be fun
how does a suggestion for the black spot to have a "burden breaker" effect when it moves into one direction, to make it shit in boss fights, and good for world travelling
this is when ti comes out
cobalt pewter
Yeah wait for tmod 1.4
river glen
but i just want to have an idea
river glen
yep
well
i knew it
because if u dash
mount folly feed
u can get 97MPH instant
ashen warren
well the world aint flat and i have issues with that mount and stuff not being flat
@violet minnow forgot to mention but fabsol mount has infinite flight time
violet minnow
so? I still dont use it as I allready use the upgraded slime mount in most cases and dont want to switch it out
but like I said, if they put an accel speed limiter it should only be for bossfights, not general gameplay
fossil finch
That status message warns about the Icarus' Folly debuff tho
So changing the message wouldn't make much sense
It's not like Provi isn't extremely hot just cuz it's night you know
viscid dagger
Eh. I never really liked the quote for Night tbh. It just... rubbed me the wrong way. I guess we'll just wait and see what everyone else thinks.
dapper coral
i think it's alright
i definitely don't normally consider nighttime to be hot, so it is a bit counterintuitive in that regard
ashen warren
radiant meadow
violet minnow
any reason 
is not updated to fabsol's current pfp?
violet minnow
k, i wont make the sugg then
craggy stratus
rng dodge is cringe agree
serene fox
rng dodge cringe but this also sounds insanely broken
river glen
but then
balance the cd
to be like 15s
maybe 20
maybe 25 depending on how good it is
serene fox
also takes away the uniqueness from counter/evasion scarf but w/e
river glen
but then
with the introduction of 1.4
u have brain of confusion
which has 17% dodge for each attack
and dodge chance stack to
foggy plover
yea but thats gonna die obviously lmao
serene fox
just let the devs figure it out
and yeah worm scarf is nerfed in cal so I can't see why boc wouldn't be
serene fox
no one does
river glen
if no one likes it
serene fox
random chance to not get hit is dumb
serene fox
don't ask me
craggy stratus
it isnt a bug
rng dodge sounds good on paper, but in terraria? meh
remove master ninja gear
serene fox
I believe they're referring to something entirely different
craggy stratus
looks like they are talking about dodge chance being a bug
summer sentinel
boc as chill said will end up getting nerfed when it comes to cal because 1.4 vanilla balance is kind of meme
summer sentinel
(who said I ever slept)? I did dw
serene fox
foggy plover
a lot of 1.4 things are gonne die
including the frog accessories from the sug 2 above this one
summer sentinel
the wing nerfs/modifications of 1.4 might be undone though? maybe
foggy plover
I dont think so, but the special cal boosts will be altered
hot zephyr
time for calamity 1.4.1 to be an amalgamated mess