yeah but, megalodon which is a shark goes into a dragon
#suggestions-discussion
summer sentinel
hollow shell
(Voidragon was literally named after Seadragon, it used to be "Megafleet" and had Starfleet in it too)
summer sentinel
megafleet would be an interesting name but yeah it wouldn't fit
starcannon makes sense given how the projectiles are though
pine star
Yeah
hollow shell
well the function used to be different too
summer sentinel
time to make a sugg combining void dragon and svantechnical into one
hollow shell
but w/e this is offtopic kinda
summer sentinel
yeah, I'll add onto my sugg though
hot zephyr
No, no, she has a point. It's time to make exo-exo weapons
pine star
UltraEXO
sleek turret
uhh..?
ashen warren
NPC happiness suggs
sleek turret
needs formating.
ashen warren
sleek turret
Its a don't?
golden narwhal
Should be, yes?
sleek turret
let me check
hollow shell
@mossy shale We will get to that when tMod ports to 1.4
Shouldn't make suggestions about it now
mossy shale
don't you guys have like a planning document or somethin
hollow shell
Several
mossy shale
so I dont really see the problem with 1.4 suggestions
mighty knot
that goes for 1.4 stuff as well
ashen warren
Yes
mossy shale
hmm alright
mighty knot
no reason to implement it now, having to think about it and put it on the backburner is just more weight on the devs' shoulders
ashen warren
Mmm
tawny garden
Should prolly delete that sugg
mossy shale
I mean i don't see the problem with suggesting additions for the plans but it is a part of the donts rule eh
wooden wedge
done
mossy shale
kinda dumb
gray nebula
because the plans are already there
and also drunk princess is basically fab's "dedicated npc"
gray nebula
so im sure he already has very clear ideas for the npc happiness system thing and even if he hadnt it wouldnt really be logic to let someone else decide before he does
sleek turret
yep.
mossy shale
That is true
wooden wedge
iirc the drunk princess will like/love the stylist and zoologist, and hate the angler
mossy shale
Kinda expected tavernkeep to be on that list
summer sentinel
and the goblin tinkerer too Sand, and yeah tavernkeeper too
wooden wedge
maybe,, just do a ctrl + f search from fabsol and you'll probably find his plans for the drunk princesses NPC happiness list
tawny garden
hate the angler
Like everyone else
sleek turret
hate the fishman.
tawny garden
poor fishboy
tawny garden
Tax Collector*
wooden wedge
tax NPC is better
tawny garden
"Hate the taxpayer" lol
sleek turret
idk, I forgot the name again.
atleast Tax Collector gives money by doing shit that isn't fishing.
wooden wedge
does he now
tawny garden
Oh yeah, love me 1 cent per millenia
sleek turret
"The Tax Collector is a Hardmode NPC that taxes other housed NPCs to earn coins for players."
tawny garden
At least the better taxes mod exists
pine star
Also Amidias will most definitely hate the angler
summer sentinel
tax collector is much better no matter what than the angler, I do not wish to be called a "worker slave" or a "fish boy" or something like that
pine star
He straight up says to THROW HIM TO THE TRASHERS
tawny garden
Mhm
dapper coral
this convo can probably be moved somewhere else iirc
sleek turret
bandit is 99% guaranted to dislike Tax Colector.
hollow shell
anyway
.. Should Bad Joke's Polter sugg be exclam'd considering how much it was questioned yesterday?
tawny garden
Is it valid
dapper coral
oh right it was questioned huh
it was regarding uhhhh whether that's actually possible or not?
tawny garden
I think it is valid
Which might be a bummer for y'all
hollow shell
"He can kill you with like 2 projectiles."
We thought this was impossible because he said he had 700 HP and was in Rev, but none of his projectiles deal more than 300 damage in Rev
tawny garden
Ok, rephrase: It's valid unless he's lying straightface to the panel
distant vault
he said it was a ram and a projectile later which we called out before
hollow shell
He can just change the "2" to a "3", or a "4"
@quick relic
Also like all of your suggs I would prefer if you elaborated a lot more in your reasoning please
.. they're pretty much always just one or two sentences whenever you make em
dapper coral
exclam'd in the meanwhile
since it's apparently not valid anymore
or at least, there is info missing
sleek turret
Polterghast projectiles deal around 120-280 depending on the difficulty and the type of projectile.
*phase 1
hollow shell
well he's sayin towards the end of the fight
(but, doesn't Polter stop shooting projectiles directly in Phase 3?)
(s'been a while, I dunno the most recent changes)
sleek turret
Wiki lists the damage to contact damage on Phase 3.
The least one that shows projectiles is Phase 2.
hollow shell
Makes sense
sleek turret
Which deals 130-304~ damage depending on difficulty and the type of projectile.
Plus, defense and DR exists.
hollow shell
yeah that was assuming he had no defense or DR
He should be able to survive three projectile hits
If you have armor and gear you should be able to survive a lot more
sleek turret
Yeah.
unique reef
i have an issue with the summoner set bonuses on the Bloodflare, Godslayer, and Silva Armor sets
they honestly suck. Bloodflare is too difficult to land properly, Godslayer's worm gets in the way of pierces and other minions, and Silva is literally Rainbow Crystal but glued to your head
unique reef
Mechworm?
ashen warren
godslayer summoner set bonus
unique reef
oh, good. It feels pretty weird
I feel like it should make the minions shoot small homing purple fireballs that inflict the Godslayer Inferno when they hit targets
ashen warren
yeah i would prefer something that effects minions over another minion
unique reef
another idea i had was that minion hits reduce the cooldown for Godslayer by a very small amount, but very small, and has a cap
because summoners are too squishy, and i feel that they need more survivability, especially late game
ashen warren
nearly every summoner armor set bonus summons a extra minion
from victide armor to demonshade armor
dapper coral
i thought the silva crystal was supposed to be really good
summer sentinel
it's alright
unique reef
pretty underwhelming for its tier
summer sentinel
god slayer mechworm is better than it iirc
unique reef
it has the same problems as Rainbow Crystal. Decent on big, slow targets, but sucks against small or fast enemies
radiant meadow
Silva Crystal is a lot faster than Rainbow Crystal
summer sentinel
as for "bad joke's" polter suggestion, I'd say just delete it because it's not really saying or proving anything
frail mantle
silva crystal:
-uses stationary projectiles to deal damage
-not very good on mobile bosses
yharon, the boss you're likely to use the crystal on first, is:
-highly mobile and doesn't stand still too often
radiant meadow
pretty sure it's a significant dps boost vs SCal, not 100% sure on yharon but like I also haven't played in like a year
but yharon does have periods where he does sit still occasionally
unique reef
also, the leaves effect only works on initial cast, not the minions themselves
summer sentinel
like at that tier of the game, the polter projectiles in their amount is really not that bad, it's fine but I won't delete the suggestion unless Rover/Ben agree to it
radiant meadow
I'm not sure what leaves you're talking about
unique reef
the Silva Armor makes you shoot Leaf Blower projectiles when you use weapons
unless that's Auric Tesla
frail mantle
that's Tarragon
unique reef
ohh
frail mantle
and i'm pretty sure that's only on the mage helmet
unique reef
oh. my memory's wonky, lol
radiant meadow
It's only on the mage helmet, yeah
frail mantle
might be mistaken, haven't actually played the mod in fifteen years
unique reef
well, i still think Silva needs something different as its set bonus
i thought it would be cool to have it create a buffed Dryad Blessing effect, which boosts your minions if they go in it, like the Brimseeker
it goes with the lore, because Silva was a Dryad
clever raft
These suggestions could almost be classed as re-working the entire biome, which is quite a don't in the list
But it's several smaller suggestions by several different people, so they were allowed!
frail mantle
reworking parts of a biome != reworking the whole biome
crystal iron
I mean reworking is like changing it completely, replacing chests, locking parts of the abyss locked behind a boss, expanding a layer etc isn't reworking a biome
true blade
did anyone even see my suggestion
wooden wedge
it was talked about earlier I thought
golden narwhal
I mean, might be because "nerf multiplayer" isn't exactly a rare sugg because multi isn't exactly a balanced thing, so it's good
proper grail
Idc about multiplayer, never used it before. How buggy is it exactly, and how broken?
crystal iron
vanilla multiplayer is pretty whack so I imagine Calamity multiplayer is even more whack
dapper coral
Idc about multiplayer, never used it before. How buggy is it exactly, and how broken?
yes and yes
sleek turret
multiplayer is both buggy and kinda broken at the same time.
radiant meadow
lifesteal isn't difficult. You don't need Cal programmers to tell you how to do that.
craggy stratus
there is a wiki page called "Mod calls"
crystal iron
lifesteal was just an example for a question
foggy plover
#other-mod-talk also works sometimes if you really dont like tml
wooden wedge
either way tML is the place to go for this
craggy stratus
they are friendly yeah
wooden wedge
anyway batby is gone so
radiant meadow
There aren't a large amount of programmers and the success of them depends on how willing they would be to participate.
crystal iron
Oh k
true blade
if you actually read my suggestion, all i said was to increase the multiplayer health scaling or to prevent players from respawning while a boss is alive in multiplayer, both of which im pretty sure isnt hard to implement
i know this because calamity changes multiplayer health scaling on its own already
foggy plover
(the hp config is always an option)
wooden wedge
the better multiplayer mod does what you're asking for
whole sedge
Yeah HP config exists, Better Multiplayer also exists if you're willing to get another mod
foggy plover
"better"
wooden wedge
subjective
better
and they said something about the hp config not working in their sugg
true blade
I didnāt know I needed to set it first, ty
crystal iron
Uhm I edited my Sugg about reworkkijg Purified jam cuz it didn't even have reasoning and is it better now
How did it not get exclaimed before actually
It was a SIS afaik
unique reef
i wish i could suggest a wep, but i'd go too specific :/
hot zephyr
Thanks for the star Brav
meager tangle
Can moonlord be hard soon? The first time I played calamity I did death mode melee, and he was literally easier than king slime because the entropic claymore wrecked him
hollow shell
ML's had a turbulent history
He used to be among the hardest fights
I needed to lag cheese him to beat him
meager tangle
But now heās easy as hell
ashen warren
Wait, when was ML hard again?
meager tangle
I had hydrothermic armor on for that fight
violet minnow
if you want to complain about bosses go make a suggustion
ashen warren
They'll need to make a reasonable one tho
meager tangle
I have before, I genuinely donāt know where Iām supposed to put it
violet minnow
in sugguetion posting
hollow shell
ML was hard about a year ago, maybe like 10 to 8 months ago?
That's when I fought him last at least
meager tangle
Oh, everyone ignores my suggestions there
unique reef
ML is kinda easy in Calamity, ngl
meager tangle
Thatās why I put it here this time
ashen warren
You need a reasonable explanation tho, besides "Moon lord is too easy"
If you're going to post a suggestion
violet minnow
well thats where you post them
meager tangle
Heās easier than vanilla
hollow shell
Yeah #suggestions-posting is the official place
because then it gets moved into #suggestions-voting
where it can be delivered to the devs after getting enough stars
violet minnow
oviously hes easier than vinilla, he isnt the final boss in clalamity
ashen warren
Damn, everyday the voice chat is open
oviously hes easier than vinilla, he isnt the final boss in clalamity
Plus Calamity weapons are way more powerful than vanilla
cobalt pewter
Vanilla is just a mess
Vanilla ML*
Probably not hard, but messy as fuck and gets annoying real fast
hollow shell
This suggestion seems fine.
What was your full gear set-up, btw?
river glen
i was gonna suggest a boss nerf, but seeing as everything is getting nerfed as of rn
i may just wait
mighty knot
also vanilla moonlord is hard because bullshit, not because of difficulty
unique reef
i really want to add a custom wep, but i'd go way too far into detail
hollow shell
You can donate to Calamity on Patreon to get an item in the mod, as specific as you'd like 
For suggestions tho, nah
pine star
meager tangle
My gear setup?
sand umbra
I'm a little late, but yeah, ML has definitely had a wild ride as far as difficulty goes
meager tangle
I honestly donāt remember, I finished that play through a few weeks ago and forgot what I used then. Probably asgardian aegis, hadal mantle, angel treads, fire gauntlet, and some others
@hollow shell
Were you asking me? Or no
hollow shell
Yes
meager tangle
Ok
Well thatās all I know for sure I used
And entropic claymore
That weapon is too good against ml
Itās like a homing shotgun sword
quasi flume
i was gonna suggest a boss nerf, but seeing as everything is getting nerfed as of rn
I was about to ask
Is there any reason why devs suddenly decided that they need to nerf most of the bosses?
meager tangle
Idk, I was reading the change logs here and it was just āthis was nerfed, this was nerfed, for some reason ml was nerfedā
quasi flume
86 - Rev+ Lunatic Cultist switches phases slower. - Done
why would you ever nerf one of the easiest bosses in the game
meager tangle
Cultist is harder than ml
He got nerfed
Yes I know
That sentence hurts me
But in calamity itās true
meager tangle
Rly?
quasi flume
and everyone knows that cultist is ez
meager tangle
What class
quasi flume
Mage
meager tangle
Thatās weird
quasi flume
Idk maybe it's because I'm bad against ml
meager tangle
Is melee just op at that stage of the game?
quasi flume
sleek hornet
tbh teratomere should be elemental tier weapon ngl
quasi flume
watch devs nerf king slime
pine star
They actually buffed it
quasi flume
oh, that's true
ashen warren
devs nerfed cultist so anything is possible.
pine star
They made you actually have to give a damn about the jewel
quasi flume
78 - Rev+ Golem body HP reduced and free head HP increased. - Done
wait they actually buffed it
nvm
ashen warren
seems more like a rework but idk
unique reef
golem was always a pushover
ashen warren
On rev ml, I agree that he could use a buff
I did him first try
For some reason he was much harder on death
dapper coral
sorry, but general changelog buff/nerf discussion isn't related to a suggestion, is it?
if not it can go somewhere else
pine star
It sort of was
ashen warren
Yeah, it's offtopic.
pine star
There's a sugg currently saying to buff ML
ashen warren
Sugg on ml specifcally.
pine star
The suggester used Entropic Claymore and Hydrothermic Armor and eviscerated him
dapper coral
i don't really see how that translates into looking into changelogs and commenting on the upcoming state of bosses in general
i.e. LC and golem
mossy badge
ML isnt easy
i have trouble with him
every time
you cant base these things on opinion
ashen warren
Good point.
It relies on general opinion.
Which isn't great.
Maybe add more specific reasoning.
pine star
Yeah
He did say some of the things he used
asgard's valor, hadal mantle, angel treads, fire gauntlet, and some others
But that leaves out 2 accessories
And who knows what they are
pine star
Oh
mossy badge
not everyone finds it easy
ashen warren
yeah
ashen warren
that's why the sugg needs changing to have actual reasoning
pine star
So he probably cheesed it
ashen warren
i used it too
serene fox
if you can cheese a boss
by using a simple skybridge
is it really a difficult boss?
ashen warren
eh
serene fox
also yes most suggestion are based on opinions
pine star
But it might be legitimately easy
ashen warren
Yeah, but you need more solid evidence.
Explain what about it makes it easy in depth.
That's doesn't make it not your opinion.
quasi flume
if you can cheese a boss
by using a simple skybridge
lmao I cheesed the destroyer with skybridge, recall pots and unicorn mount
that was great
pine star
ashen warren
Destroyer is considered to be hard I think.
quasi flume
Did the same to Deus
pine star
I "cheesed" it
ashen warren
Ml is just generally fought with skybridge tho, don't feel like it's cheese.
pine star
When Destroyer is curled up and you hit its curled up parts it still releases the probes
pine star
Shimmerspark ended up releasing half the probes in 10 seconds
serene fox
cat feedzuh
pine star
Cheesing(as in making cheese) can be fun
quasi flume
For me cheesing is the last resort
pine star
But yeah
ashen warren
uh
cobalt pewter
the entirety of rod and relocator were cheese to me
pine star
Cheesing isn't fun
ashen warren
Back on track bois.
cobalt pewter
cat feedzuh
c a t
quasi flume
oh and I cheese if the boss is cheap and super unfair to you
ashen warren
I say skybridge for ml is not cheese, just the standard strategy.
serene fox
who said that it was cheese
ashen warren
Roman numerals said that because a skybridge was involved, he might have used cjeese.
pine star
I said it might be cheese
Because I didn't know what the standard strat was
Now I know and I'm sorry
ashen warren
It's not a problem.
@meager tangle Add more detailed reasoning about what in particular makes him too easy.
Like, his deathray is too easy to dodge because it's too slow.
pine star
Is it actually though?
ashen warren
Idk.
pine star
I just want to know
serene fox
(yes)
pine star
Oh
ashen warren
Just an example.
quasi flume
I'd vote for a "rework ML" suggestion, but no one will ever do it
think it's easier to do it myself lol
serene fox
it really depends on who you ask
summer sentinel
cal subreddit isn't something we base our decisions of, collectively for devs that is
ashen warren
That's why you need evidence.
ashen warren
You need to explain what make it too easy for you in a clear way, and people will vote or not based on if they agree.
violet minnow
yah also bold title
pine star
Also Not Me is straight up gone
summer sentinel
it has a higher chance -ish of your suggestion passing though if your format it more coherently
cobalt pewter
Deathray is fine
serene fox
although the title is kinda wack
cobalt pewter
It's one of the best attacks ML has in terms of design, the only thing hindering it is the fact that rod shits on it
quasi flume
ml fight is bullcrap
cobalt pewter
Which is dumb
summer sentinel
his suggestion doesn't sound like a suggestion, it just sounds more like an anecdote more than anything
serene fox
ok so delete rod got it
cobalt pewter
Delete rod 
ashen warren
The person who posted it seems to have left the server.
quasi flume
lmao
foggy plover
tfw when ml is made entirely fair and suddenly hes too easy
summer sentinel
they are in the server still
dapper coral
they seem to be here still for me
ashen warren
Ah, oky.
quasi flume
"they're not going to buff ml, thats it I quit"
cobalt pewter
Bruh
ashen warren
Well, I suppose we wait for their reply.
summer sentinel
I might just red exclamation the suggestion because it's not really that warranted, as I said, more of an anecdote than a real specific suggestions on what needs to be altered
also what chill said is literally to the point on truth
ashen warren
I did ping them about my issues on it and they did not respond yet, so red ! warranted.
serene fox
ml was always fair thoughh
summer sentinel
he was made more fair, not easier, more fair as in ML doesn't cheapshot you as much and the fight is more consistent
not necessarily if you look at how the true eyes might behave
hot zephyr
Criticism to my suggestion? Well it's time to kamikaze I guess
serene fox
true eyes sync change is what made it fine tbh
cobalt pewter
The True Eyes are the biggest offension yes
summer sentinel
yeah the sync helped, I am meaning before the sync
hot zephyr
Someone clearly wasn't around in the days where ML was a chore to fight who constantly cheap-shot you
summer sentinel
where it was more or less just true eyes being throwing at you irregularly
hot zephyr
Remember having to kill True Eyes twice?
summer sentinel
I'll just red exclamation it for now and see what may arise when Rover sees it
hot zephyr
When there was like nine of them?
serene fox
good times
ashen warren
ML bullet hell
summer sentinel
ML fight itself is, I don't know, it never sat well with me
I never really cared for what felt like a bit of unwarranted projectile clutter
cobalt pewter
Vanilla ML deserves all its hate
I cba doing him on 1.4.1 so I just turned on the godmode
That's how bad vanilla ML is
serene fox
the only problem I faced when fighting mm ml was the deathray timer
since it was altered for w/e reason
summer sentinel
out of all the vanilla fights I'd have to say probably...
ML is one of my less favorites, along with QS, maybe sprime, but sprime is a toss up
serene fox
imagine having fought eol 
craggy stratus
What is entropic claymore again, is that some sort of sunken sea weapon
summer sentinel
EoL is top 3 vanilla fight for me yeah, but yeah, this is going slightly off topic so talk about suggestion things 
dapper coral
What is entropic claymore again, is that some sort of sunken sea weapon
previously xeroc greatsword
cobalt pewter
Meld melee
dapper coral
(sunken sea would be eutrophic)
serene fox
mfw terratomere
craggy stratus
death ML first try, sounds like an experienced player
ashen warren
Mfw when no use meta.
craggy stratus
Beside, ML doesnāt gain any new crazy attack in higher difficulty does it
foggy plover
I mean, I know from testing it you cant run in a straight line
serene fox
you have to jump every now and then
foggy plover
even if you spam dash you still have to jump over things and loop around for laser
serene fox
also switch sides for the deathray
foggy plover
ye
ashen warren
or you could RoD
cobalt pewter
switch sides
Imagine not doing a 360 on top eye
or you could RoD
Bad mentality
Begone
serene fox
eh it's easier to just switch
ashen warren
switching sides in ML is almost instant death especially when the true eyes are out
serene fox
how
ashen warren
how
@serene fox if you wanna no hit its better to RoD beneath the laser then continue to run in the same direction
zealous ridge
in earlier versions i would have said it was easy to just kite outside of ml's laser range but his speed buffs have made that way harder to manage
serene fox
I don't think it matters all that much
dapper coral
we talkin about ML strats now?
ashen warren
because by switching sides you risk getting hit by projectiles that already chasing you or the stational phantasmal spheres
dapper coral
what no
i'm being moderator man and saying that we can talk about ML strategies somewhere else
serene fox
dapper coral
nohit man is for other channels
serene fox
mhm
foggy plover
I tried to give the testing/boss balancing side of it
zealous ridge
to a degree it pertains to the statement about ml being so easy that you can literally just go in one direction
foggy plover
hard to make a shit boss not shit without reworking the whole damn thing
or nerfing him to the ground
dapper coral
a little bit, but it sort of degraded into "how beat boss, this way is easier, no this way is," etc etc
summer sentinel
eternity mode ML rework Chill holy, that had an immense amount of work put into that to rip it apart to make it better but yeah
dapper coral
we can wait for their response now at this point
serene fox
why is the sugg exclaimed again
foggy plover
its not really a sug
summer sentinel
there should just be only 1 reaction, I'll remove the other
serene fox
it's not exactly phrased like one
dapper coral
(fyi lauren you don't really have to remove other people's exclams until it's confirmed that the sugg is either gonna be deleted or fixed, since it's likely people are gonna re-react to it later anyways and you'll have to do it again anyways)
summer sentinel
(oh okay, I just see it when rover puts a ! that it's normally only his reaction which is why I thought that)
proper grail
No other reactions?
summer sentinel
I totally did not time that to the last second
languid quartz
cobalt pewter
Disable block swap
radiant meadow
It should already be in the recipe group.
Acidwood can't be placed because nobody ever sprited it.
hot zephyr
suggestion author: M E
glass sentinel
ikr
summer sentinel
hold that thought for a second
since you're going do it does that just mean it's in or?
foggy plover
ye I suggested that as well yesterday, megalodon is just funny ranger gun, needs something to make it special imo
dapper coral
(i'll add the thingy and someone can yell at me if it's not)
hollow shell
Well I mean technically it's not on any official to-do lists afaik?
If it reaches 200 then, we can put it on the sugg list immediately, I spose
dapper coral
i mean, if ozz had it on his own personal list or something i feel like that sorta counts
it sounds like it was basically guaranteed, it just needed doing
hollow shell
ĀÆ_(ć)_/ĀÆ
As long as Ozz actually does do it (prolly for a non-hotfix update?) then it'll be aight
dapper coral
ĀÆ_(ć)_/ĀÆ
hollow sierra
@true blade Could it not be assumed that a second player is only about 64% effective against a boss given they have to account for how the boss needs to react to the first player and how the second player needs to react to how the boss reacts when its not on you
I personally have a much harder time hitting bosses when i don't have aggro
because i have to both account for the boss' patterns and my buddy's unpredictability
I do agree with respawning being cheap though
I'd be for disabling respawns during bossfights if dead players could still get loot bags
It would need to be smart though, only disable respawns of players that are killed by boss attacks ala armageddon (minus the bugs)
ashen warren
First of all wrong formatting
Second of all if you don't want to play thorium diabale it
serene fox
that config option is going to die fyi @neon goblet
neon goblet
Nooooo! š¦
glass sentinel
so delete sugg
tawny garden
(Moon Lord was harder for me than Yharon lol
Granted, that was a year ago )
real steppe
Moon Lord is definitely not too easy for everyone
especially in Rev+ I think
but he did become easier because the lasers from the eyes in Rev+ are no longer a thing iirc
and there was even a time when the eyes don't spawn at all, Moon Lord just became so easy at that time
fringe cloak
I do feel like revengeance moonlord is pretty easy compared to like ravager and plaguebringer goliath
The laser attack is in my opinion almost not a threat at all, since you get huge warning before its about to attack
letting you easily and quickly fly over its head
The attacks are pretty slow
quasi flume
And in death his projectiles are almost unreactable
for me, at least
so I had to remember his pattern to be able to dodge his shit
meager tangle
It's not a problem.
@Gamer.exe#2978
All of the above. He doesnāt do enough damage, attack fast enough, and his projectiles donāt move fast enough to be much of a threat if you just run on an asphalt platform
golden narwhal
I mean, nothing's much of a threat with asphalt imo iirc
meager tangle
Yeah, but I still think that his projectiles need a buff
unique reef
Vanilla ML is a pain, especially Master, where he does like 300 dmg each hit
meager tangle
And the eyes should do contact damage
golden narwhal
The True eyes?
meager tangle
While theyāre in the hands I mean
unique reef
i was gonna say. When they fly into you for 100 dmg, that's not cool
serene fox
what would that accomplish
meager tangle
But you might run into them by accident
golden narwhal
More sources of damage =/= more difficult
golden narwhal
You might be remembering eternity mode
serene fox
maybe
meager tangle
Currently you can just tank the one because nothing else hits you
serene fox
so you're asking for more sources of damage in the moon lord fight
is what i'm getting at
serene fox
you should add that to the sugg
meager tangle
I did say that in the original one
But Iāll change it to be a bit better
That chat disappeared
Someone pls say something in it because I messed up discord on my phone somehow
@serene fox can you put some random thing in suggestions posting? I canāt get into it otherwise. I messed with the settings a while ago and I donāt know how to fix it
meager tangle
Idk
unique reef
check the arrow by general channels
golden narwhal
unique reef
i wonder how some of the 1.4 features will change once Calamity goes to 1.4
ashen warren
fellas, thoughts on making sepulcher's brimstone darts travel at the same speed as scal's darts?
golden narwhal
Reason
fringe cloak
sepulcher shoots lot of darts
ashen warren
sepulcher is a long worm in a closed arena spamming diagonally moving projectiles, the problem is that the projectiles move at about 1/3 of the speed compared to scal's darts which means they would flood your space to maneuver, considering each body segment of sepulcher shoots
to make matters worse, SCal also shoots stuff at you meanwhile and at the few final phases there are brimstone moons so it's pretty much luck based whether you get hit or not at that point
cobalt pewter
imo the eyes staying even after killed is kinda weird
Moon Lord is already a minion-heavy boss (True Eyes)
craggy stratus
return to infernum mode
cobalt pewter
Instead I wanna see ML himself being involved in the fight
ashen warren
jared
what
ashen warren
i see
river glen
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyVeF9xtmjI this is the video he is ref to btw
where the name jared popped up
tawny garden
Yeah, that one
unique reef
hah
i've had a jared happen
a friend got killed by one, and it flew over to me, and was nice
tawny garden
But @river glen I'd prefer you not putting jokes/references into suggs
Cause people may not understand them
ashen warren
if youre unhappy jared cant follow you home then download the calamity vanity mod and get the eidolon wyrm pet
just a disclaimer
river glen
we are talking about making him solely spawn there
not making him follow you home
cuz he already does that
flat furnace
This is more of a bug report than a suggestion imo
river glen
well, i wouldve said to make him despawn outisde the abyss
tawny garden
hm, actually
the sugg does seem like a "fix bug" sugg, but
you are allowed to suggest workarounds for bugs
so "make him despawn outisde the abyss" will be better as a sugg
clever sentinel
don't do that, we can't make jared less sociable : (
river glen
its a bug none the less
hearty yew
@dapper coral @hollow shell @summer sentinel @foggy plover
I should clarify, it's not on any official list because it wasn't a suggestion until now. I was going to make the glut of post plantera guns more unique by making Megalodon and all its upgrades (voidragon excluded) also fire water streams from archerfish.
clever sentinel
it became a tradition at this point
hearty yew
So, yes, but also no. It's not on the official list but it can be added as soon as this hits 200 (assuming it does). And even if it doesn't, I'll do it anyway. Eventually.
honestly this seems to call for a merger of programmer todo lists
I only keep my own floating around on Dropbox so that I can write reminders to myself from either my PC or phone
radiant meadow
I have a todo list, I just forget it exists. Although not doing anything since we're in hotfix limbo anyways.
hearty yew
lol
radiant meadow
Like I meant to do something to make Wulfrum armor more unique, but that obviously hasn't happened
clever sentinel
a simple thing for summoner wulfrum - summons a weak wulfrum drone to protect you
river glen
hmm
hearty yew
Obviously we need to combine all our to-do lists (with the exception of rovers document) and put the community suggestions in their own section of that
clever sentinel
it would match most summoner's armor set bonuses
hearty yew
so we'd have one section per programmer and one section for The Community
rose jewel
But if you farm Cnidrions then it takes longer than fighting the boss
clever sentinel
yeah, at that point its just easier to fight ds, it isn't a hard boss
river glen
and they only have 600 hp
rose jewel
But itās boring to
river glen
ur squirell just has to hit it like 300 times
its pretty darn hard
if u have no armor
rose jewel
But you could just get stormjaw staff and fight desert scourge
clever sentinel
J U S T G E T F R O G L E G
rose jewel
Nice cat^
unreal viper
Indeed it would be.
cobalt pewter
Wulfrum is kinda dwarved now that it's harder to get and Victide exists
And cat is happy, thanc
clever sentinel
bad suggestion from me - rename victide to sunken salt
unreal viper
I would like it to be a sunken sea set personally
clever sentinel
i mean like... we have mollusk armor already i guess...
unreal viper
Yeah, but thatās hardmode
clever sentinel
but i do agree, that a sunken sea pre-hm armor set would be great
even if it was for one class, like the sulphurous armor
violet minnow
people who complain about boss balance get murdered
rose jewel
Because nobody agrees and no reason
craggy stratus
no reason at all
violet minnow
some people like a bad joke have figured out how to get some of his posted
rose jewel
If he specified revengeance or death mode it would help but
Heās probably doing normal or expert
craggy stratus
are we taking about not me, or a bad joke
pine star
We're talking about not me
craggy stratus
not me specificed that it is in death mode
violet minnow
he said it was deathmode, but didnt put it in the sugg
craggy stratus
@clever sentinel take that to gen talk then
"My first play through was a death mode melee, and when I got to ml"
beside
ML's fight itself is pretty dumb
so you literally have to butcher the ai to make it more challenging
robust shuttle
craggy stratus
another thing, "I think he should at least be harder than the bosses around him, as plaguebringer Goliath was much harder, Astrum Deus was harder, and even ravager was more challenging" no vanilla bosses are mentioned
agree on the buff, but the reasoning need to be better other than
"Overall, I think that the community will agree with me on this, as i have seen similar complaints elsewhere, moonlord is much too easy at the moment"
^ there are also complaints about ML being too hard
violet minnow
plus rover or someone said that ml is quite hard to balance which makes sense
craggy stratus
because it is the final boss in vanilla, redigit slaps in a bunch of unscrapped attack idea and managed to create an abomination
hell for modder to balance
dapper coral
oh, it's in the "frequently suggested" section
May not be explicitly rule-breaking, however these have been suggested so often they do not need to be suggested any more.
unreal viper
I'd much rather have rogue get new armors tbh
There are a lot of problems with hardmode ore sets
cobalt pewter
Yes
tawny garden
I think in recent times
It's the most frequently suggested sugg
on my memory, it's been suggested 6 or 7 times
Maybe more, before I came to this channel
unreal viper
Ore armors are pretty flawed due to the stat nature of the set bonuses for og ores.
dapper coral
it comes up from time to time, yes
unreal viper
Which make them always outclased by tier 3 ores.
dapper coral
this appears to be the latest one #suggestions-voting message
unreal viper
And if you gave them all unique sbs, you'd have a major balancing problem with 6 sets.
unreal viper
I know
tawny garden
unreal viper
I disagree with it now.
tawny garden
And if you gave them all unique sbs, you'd have a major balancing problem with 6 sets.
Yeah
Vanilla doesn't care tho
And that is an even bigger problem
quick relic
What do you guys think?
pine star
Seems good
rose jewel
The thing is even if it was I would 100% of the time just get Titan heart
Cause itās easier and probably better
hollow shell
A good suggestion. Relatively common one too
quick relic
I also think that they should do that for Post prov Calamitas, Ravager, Brimmy and crag enemies
unreal viper
I need help on making my title more specific.
craggy stratus
rework bad set bonus
unreal viper
I want to talk about certain boring set bonuses.
craggy stratus
Rework boring set bonuses to be more unique ig
swift wharf
unreal viper
Hm.
My examples were all from multi-helms, tho it wasn't about them specifcally.
It was more about the certain style of sb, the on-hit projectile kind.
But yeah, it doers seem like the multi helms are what have those sbs.
rose jewel
Weird thing but you could separate it into more than just 1 Huge paragraph
craggy stratus
so rework set bonus into ways to support multiple playstyle
unreal viper
Hm.
craggy stratus
bloodflare mage and ranger is really fun for example
cobalt pewter
Multiclass helms are the norm especially on post ML
We have like
3
On HM
Excluding vanilla
Then post ML it's just a chock full
unreal viper
delete multiclass helms
craggy stratus
hydro, reaver, and what
unreal viper
daedalus
pine star
Daedalus
cobalt pewter
And Auric might be the biggest offension about this
craggy stratus
fuck
hollow shell
4 in PreHM, 3 in HM, 5 Post-ML
cobalt pewter
Since there's literally nothing standing out and unique about its set bonuses
Only picking off material set bonuses
hollow shell
I agree with this suggestion and I also agree with reducing the amount of multi-class helms, in favor of new armor sets
unreal viper
Hm.
I was thinking about multi-class helms, perhaps some of them could be turned into class sets?
Like the hardmode ones were orginally.
pine star
Maybe
unreal viper
I feel like wulfrum could be melee.
cobalt pewter
Each catering to a specific playstyle
unreal viper
Since all other classes, with 1.4.1, have class sets.
eh
Although flinx fur isn't really a set.
cobalt pewter
Obsidian armor 
pine star
That said, obsidian armor's rework was pog
unreal viper
not pre-bosss
Hm.
Maybe gladiator melee, desert prowler ranger, wizard stuff for mage, wulfrum and flinx for summoner, and fossil/snow ruffian for rogue.
pine star
Maybe Wulfrum=mage?
unreal viper
Nah, imo mage has enough stuff.
hot zephyr
I think that multi-class armor should die, yeah but I think Wulfrum serves a purpose
violet minnow
why though
hot zephyr
Wulfrum is fine IMO but yeet Reaver etc
I do think that Summon wulfrum will have to be axed with flinx coat coming
pine star
Reaver is definitely the weak link in multiclass armors
unreal viper
Reaver bad.
hot zephyr
If TMOD could keep it's nasty hands off of the game balance for modded 1.4.1 that'd be nice tho
ahem THROWING
violet minnow
yah reaver needs reworked but most multi class armors are fine
pine star
Also I hate sand was briefly named I hate Reaver armor
hot zephyr
Hydrothermic serves no purpose
unreal viper
The pre-hardmode ones are okay.
pine star
Yeah
unreal viper
But after that it's bad.
hot zephyr
le armor bloat has arrived
pine star
IMO Daedalus has nothing wrong
unreal viper
no
violet minnow
tf you man hydrothermic serves no purpose
hot zephyr
It's wrong because Crystal Assassin is Daedalus 2
unreal viper
Lemme make a sugg so we aren't offtopic.
pine star
Ok
cobalt pewter
ahem THROWING
To be highly fair, alotta mods used the class for their own purposes
So it's kinda a dick move to just throw em away
pine star
Yeah
pine star
Like rogue?
hot zephyr
Fossil armor was retiered; it's not supposed to be Throwing
north plank
Balance is also up to mods lmao
hot zephyr
Tmod 1.4.1 is keeping Thrower stuff in, no?
north plank
Whether they do their own thing or go with the balance of vanilla
hot zephyr
I was told by someone here that things like Fossil would remain Thrower in tmod 1.4.1
hollow shell
That would be weird yeah
north plank
People lie a lot
hollow shell
Perhaps not intentionally lie but more, make assumptions
north plank
Like this place isnāt exactly the bastion of knowledge or truth, but yeah couldāve been a misunderstanding too
hollow shell
I always thought they would just keep the throwing damage code so mods didn't break or have to make their own types, which also allows for cross-compatibility
north plank
Keeping the throwing code would make sense instead of just straight keeping it in the game
hot zephyr
Don't quote me on it
meager tangle
I edited my suggestion again, in case anyone still cares
I finally remembered my full setup
summer sentinel
your suggestion still doesn't specifically explain as to what parts of the ML fight are making ti too easy or the basis for said claims on why those parts are hard. also in suggs you normally don't post your gear there since this is about overall changes, not just specificity when it comes to armor builds for example
summer sentinel
(also the ML fight was changed to make it more fair and if it did get a little easier then that's just the nature of it becoming more fair so it was less cheapshotting and pseudo-randomness)
summer sentinel
that's fair although normally if you say a boss should get changed, there would be more....evidence to it so to say that will incite people to agrree with you and make possibly change happen with reasoning
meager tangle
Iāve only played rust and dust, so I donāt know what it used to be like
true blade
Ay my suggestion got posted
meager tangle
Is mine better now?
summer sentinel
that's fine, edit your suggestion to be a little bit more, impactful and detailed (perhaps take out the armor setup part too) , and then I can update to remove the ā if the suggestion suffices
(read pins about the do's and dont's of posting)
true blade
Also I was informed that the health scaling config does work in multiplayer, apparently you just need to set it before starting the server
But Iād rather prefer multiplayer health balancing be changed without people having to go through the hassle of changing the config because some people might not even know about it
summer sentinel
that's an improvement, consider rewording it a bit more to say why are the buffs/changes to ML you suggested are warranted and how they compare to that of other bosses realistically. normally just saying "ML is easy unlike rav", it's not the most helpful to give improvement
yeah that's fair boomical, I've had that issue before as well with mp boss config hp
meager tangle
Iāll be honest, I donāt know how to explain what Iām imagining what the changes should be
Or how they are balanced
Other than saying that there are bosses that are (technically) earlier in progression that are significantly harder just due to their attacks
The only suggestion I have like that is making all of the eyes shoot deathrays, but that seems excessive
Oooo
I just got something
hot zephyr
What's the star requirement for discord suggestions?
violet minnow
140
hot zephyr
Thanks
ashen warren
I think it's 200 now.
meager tangle
Is mine better now?
meager tangle
I added something specific instead of just saying āml easy pls fixā
hot zephyr
200 for game, 140 for server
meager tangle
Dang it
dapper coral
suggbot should be back up now btw
hollow shell
Epic
golden narwhal
violet dagger
:echpog:
crystal iron
Idk I always find myself forgetting about the set bonuses that make u press a button to do smth cool
hollow shell
That's because you're used to set bonuses not having hotkey bonuses, which adding more would fix
tawny garden
summer sentinel
Rover what do you think of the suggestion now since I had last done ! About it
hollow shell
The Moon Lord suggestion?
summer sentinel
Yea
hollow shell
What was wrong with it?
summer sentinel
I told them to edit it because it wasnāt very specific or descriptive on what was needing to change with ML and it didnāt propose a proper suggestion but itās good now I think
Iāll just remove it since itās been modified a bit and now conveys their idea better
hollow shell
The only think I'd like is more line breaks to separate it up a bit. It's kinda a wall of text atm.
Not invalid-worthy but, it'd be nice @meager tangle
heady storm
āMoon lord is too easy.ā
Your header should be what you actually want changed.
hollow shell
(and also maybe specify which modes you mean, in your top line and suggested changes down below, yeah)
(Death Mode? Rev+? All modes?)
tawny garden
should be rev, ideally
summer sentinel
yeah
meager tangle
Rev+ I guess
tawny garden
heady storm
They were playing in Death Mode. 
meager tangle
Also @violet minnow yeah I meant Asgardās valor
violet minnow
k
heady storm
@meager tangle specify difficulty too, as Rover brought up.
meager tangle
Better?
tawny garden
yeah
heady storm
Excellent.
meager tangle
Np, it was my first suggestion, so I kind of expected it to not be perfect
heady storm
Youāll get accustomed overtime.
rose jewel
The thing with the moon lord one is they said the just ran on a skybridge and sky bridges make moon lord easy
violet minnow
i just use my normal arena for ml, no asphalt or anything makes it more intresting and fun of a fight
meager tangle
Yeah, but you canāt just say āfight ml differently and itāll be more fun and challengingā that just doesnāt make sense
visual wigeon
They are in the same tier which is why I proposed making them interact with the armor
heady storm
2 wings Auric Tier. 
tawny garden
and uh
you don't have a proper reason
radiant meadow
By wearing Drew's Wings you are trading sprinting and the niche i frame mechanic for more flight time
visual wigeon
Tracers are boots upgrades and none of the previous ones have interacted with armor
sturdy geyser
2 wings Auric Tier.
celestial tracers and drew wings are both auric tier wings and they both have their own niches
new wings would be unecessary bloat
heady storm
Yeah exactly.
violet dagger
Maybe retheme celestial tracers
visual wigeon
Ok, then how about drews wings affect auric armor? No new wings. Many other wings that are alternative to tracers interact with their armor tier
Like tarragon vs seraphim or Silva vs elysian
Tracers shouldn't be changed because that would be an unnatural evolution
radiant meadow
Tarragon and silva are also a tier higher than said tracers
visual wigeon
But are still alternatives
You either wear tarragon wings or the wing boots
Almost every armor set calamity adds have a wing counterpart, with two notable exceptions of God Slayer and auric
craggy stratus
make celestial tracer i frame mechanic only work for auric so demonshade can become true glass cannon
visual wigeon
I think that's an ok idea but I still oppose tracer changes
meager tangle
The Elysian tracers are basically god slayer wings, same with celestial tracers and auric tesla
Thereās no reason to add something new
And tarragon wings are only used for sentinels and polterghast
visual wigeon
Then change both tracers. I mostly oppose making celestial tracers Auric armor related is because it would be the only boot
meager tangle
No sane person uses the for dog
visual wigeon
And no person uses Silva wings for anything but yharon phase 1
visual wigeon
Right my mistake
I forgot about phase 1 tbh because I got stuck on phase 2 for so long
crystal iron
What's the point of having auric wings if ur gonna have celestial tracers which are literally Drew's wings but better
tawny garden
threats of the ocean floor is a don't
meager tangle
@crystal iron
Exactly
visual wigeon
To make Drew's wings more viable
craggy stratus
drew wings have more flight time tho
visual wigeon
They exist to make celestial tracers
craggy stratus
both have its own usage
visual wigeon
You cant
crystal iron
Then why would u wear just wings
hollow sierra
yharon lore 
meager tangle
Nobody would use auric wings anyway, the run speed is too convenient
craggy stratus
25% less damage therefore not viable
visual wigeon
Because they interact with and make your armor better
meager tangle
For traveling around
hollow sierra
as if that damage is needed
crystal iron
Ye but like if u use celestial tracers you move even faster so I don't see a point
meager tangle
25 percent less damage would make scal so much worse
craggy stratus
some people might prefer moving slower in scal fight
hollow sierra
i've had alot more success against scal with yharon lore than without
meager tangle
It would take an excessive amount of time
visual wigeon
My point is that everyone uses celestial tracers, and drews wings should become more usable
craggy stratus
5 minutes arent a lot
meager tangle
Iāve never used Yharon lore for a legit attempt, it just makes it take so long
meager tangle
Rly?
hollow sierra
turns a 4 minute fight into a 5 minute fight
meager tangle
What changed with scal?
crystal iron
My point is that everyone uses celestial tracers, and drews wings should become more usable
It might just be me but I've never seen anyone use wings over moonlord+ tier tracers
craggy stratus
auric set bonus damage got nerfed
visual wigeon
I've definitely seen people use tarragon, and I certainly use Silva wings