Still unsure about what the error is with Iron Heart that's causing such high damage
but, I guess if Fab knows it's an error then he'll be trying to fix it?
#suggestions-discussion
hollow shell
gusty scarab
@gusty scarab mind explaining why she's hard?
@zenith hazel i have no idea, i'm taking WAY more damage against her
hollow shell
Are you fighting her on the surface
gusty scarab
nope
hollow shell
Ok good
gusty scarab
i did 2 attempts against each with the same, post ML equipment
hollow sierra
would you consider sniper rifle and venus magnum to be in the same tier
hollow shell
Technically yes
gusty scarab
i survived ML with 700-900 HP, and PG with 10-200
craggy stratus
they are 2 different bosses with different ai
hollow shell
That's not really an excellent metric
cuz that could just be, you not being good at fighting PBG
zenith hazel
mhm
hollow shell
Like, can you elaborate on any aspects that make PBG hard?
Things about her AI? Certain attacks?
hollow sierra
then by that logic, since one is a boss drop and the other is immediately available from the dungeon after that boss, would SDMG and seadragon be equally comparable
hollow shell
? Seadragon is post-SW
gusty scarab
idk what's making her hard
TBH it's kinda hard to tell, i can't tell when i get hit
zenith hazel
then fight her again and see what the problem is
hollow sierra
phantom spirits start spawning when moonlord dies according to wiki
gusty scarab
because both bosses throw a whole lot of stuff on the screen and it's impossible to concentrate
hollow shell
It requires Armored Shells, Chronozilla.
hollow shell
. ah
gusty scarab
like i can't even tell where the hell i am
hollow sierra
I don't know about overwhelmed, but actually seeing the green projectiles on what's usually a leafy background is really difficult
and you can't take them down because you might have non jungle zones in your arena
hollow shell
Background walls don't count towards the biome afaik
hollow sierra
they do
hollow shell
Only the solid (and actuated) tiles
hollow sierra
but actuating blocks seems like a good idea
hollow sierra
not sure about actuating a whole like 200x150 area
tawny garden
Actuation Rod
hollow sierra
but i guess you only need a chunk in the middle to overlap where the game considers there to be a jungle biome
gusty scarab
i'm gonna use fountains
hollow shell
Dunno what Fargo's does with regards to fountains, but aight they could do that
hollow shell
Lihzahrd bricks do indeed count towards the jungle
I know this from back when Prov had her loot cube made of Lihzahrd bricks and it was annoying as shit cuz it would overwrite the Hallow
hollow shell
aight welp @ashen warren #changelogs
ashen warren
yay!
civic pond
oh wow
summer sentinel
what perfect timing 
hollow shell
Well except, Runic brought it up to Fab in a different chat before sugging it so
tawny garden
lol
radiant meadow
I will delete the sugg then since it's meaningless now.
teal urchin
no
golden narwhal
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/369115362186231809/768694240833961995 would this apply here?
glass sentinel
yea it would
teal urchin
oh shoot yeah that applys
glass sentinel
so maybe hold out on the sugg for now
teal urchin
sorry i really shouldve checked the changelogs first
golden narwhal
hollow shell
New #suggestions-voting reaction: 🛠️
This reaction indicates that the suggestion has been added to the devs' to-do list and is officially planned for implementation.
(Like all plans, it's not 100% guaranteed, but the devs will make an effort to implement it and it's therefore very very likely.)
hollow shell
**New <#263382359397761025> reaction:** 🛠️
This reaction indicates that the su...
I will now go through and put this on all the planned suggs
hollow shell
This'll only be temporary, it's fine
golden narwhal
Aight
ancient crow
violet dagger
what colors are available
does it use an rgb color system
or do they give you like a few colors
it could be a nice blue mebbe
hollow shell
We use black/grey, green, yellow, red, white, and dark blue currently
I'm pretty sure it can be any color we want.
cobalt pewter
@hollow shell orange
hollow shell
Orange might be weird considering that's the color that's between yellow (delivered but unvoted) and red (rejected)
hollow shell
Violet could work I spose
radiant meadow
You say that's weird but green check is yellow, and approved is green. The reversed colors still mess with my head.
violet dagger
inb4 we get suggestions of what the color is with reasoning to why that color is superior to every other color :hahaech:
hollow shell
(It's because green is a color that indicates more approval than yellow. It's just unfortunate that 👍 is a yellow hand)
radiant meadow
It's literally the only color that isn't coordinated though.
Blue checks are blue
🚫 is red
hollow shell
Yep.
radiant meadow
Color coordination is more important to me than arbitrary indications of approval.
hollow shell
I disagree
It'd be weird for the sugg's color to go from green to yellow as a sign that it moved in a good direction
Everybody knows that green is good, yellow is middle, and red is bad
violet dagger
:yech:
hollow shell
We don't have too many suggs in our to-do list currently but we do have some
(19, right now.)
serene fox
radiant meadow
I've seen green checks the past two years, and I find it jarring to see yellow when green has always meant sent to me.
¯_(ツ)_/¯
proper grail
So few . . .
ashen warren
tawny garden
wait a sec, so it's 🛠️, like I suggested? 
tawny garden
distant vault
I probably should have included the video with my suggestion so people could better understand it 🤔
cobalt pewter
Which one
cobalt pewter
Oh yea
Well since bot's down atm, you could prolly ask chet to include a visualized hitbox of pbg through links
hollow shell
If it doesn't reach 200, you can repost it in a week with a video/image attached
if you want
cobalt pewter
But that works too
hollow shell
Nah I'd rather the existing one not get modified
cobalt pewter
Okok
distant vault
Yeah I'll probably wait for next week
heady storm
Yeah, once a sugg gets tossed into voting, it shouldn't be changed.
tawny garden
but you could just link to a media file in your sugg
hollow shell
but like, let's not, though.
(it's likely too late, anyhow. Passed 24 hours of voting)
heady storm
They can just suggest it anyway.
If it gets sent again, they mark it as "frequently suggested."
serene fox
coolio
flat furnace
oh didn't see it was already suggested my bad
heady storm
Nah it's fine MF.
hollow sierra
@flat furnace there's a mod that fixes the problem if you really want it, but i would assume the cap is generally there for some balance reason
for reference https://i.imgur.com/nQNIJpV.png
flat furnace
Yes I got that mod but I think it should be a calamity feature
22 buffs might make sense in vanilla
but in calamity where destroyer can slap you with 3 separate debuffs
your accesories give you a bunch of too
for example scarf of evasion gives 2
4 from candles
then there's boss zen
it just adds up too quickly
hollow sierra
was it specifically unlimited that got denied? just like going from 22 to 33 could also be an idea
that's a whole extra row to account for all of calamity's things
cobalt pewter
Calamity doesn't exist in a vacuum. That said, the solution of this can be not increasing buff limit
flat furnace
also vanity pets and light pets use up buff slots
cobalt pewter
There can be workarounds like merging effects of an accessory into a new one, for example
hollow sierra
maybe you should be able to combine the candles
flat furnace
Merging accessory effect into a new one wouldn't really work that well
Let's use evasion scarf as an example again
It has two buffs
one for cooldown
one for damage buff
and you can't merge them properly cause they're on a different duration
flat furnace
I'm pretty sure deific amulet gives only one buff that takes a slot
radiant meadow
Just Panic! iirc
Rampart (the upgrade) can give the frozen turtle shell buff as well as gives paladin's shield buff to nearby players
real steppe
Iirc the buff limit is hardcapped
flat furnace
tModLoader has support for increasing buff limit
all you need is to declare a variable for by how much you want to increase the limit
It is set at load tho and you can't really change it mid game
Unless of course you're going through the buffs and removing them
violet minnow
its probably been suggested like 9 times before, or it was come back later with evidence
cobalt pewter
The rule is that a sugg gets yeeted into voting 24 hours after rotting in posting
This sugg is no older than 12 hours even
radiant meadow
It can be sent early.
cobalt pewter
radiant meadow
Nobody's gonna get hurt.
radiant meadow
I wouldn't call it the norm, but it's not disallowed.
cobalt pewter
Too used to sugg bot's automatic yeet
cyan lagoon
i think everyone is
tawny garden
is it not a bluecheck?
what's funny about these 2 links
the sugg from march got approved
and the sugg from september got rejected
sturdy geyser
ashen warren
I'm just hoping debuffs would be classified into separate slots instead of overtaking the buff slot
while keeping the buff slot amount the same
cyan lagoon
done @tawny garden
tawny garden
jovial spire
sorry i was doing dishes
wooden wedge
@median mauve you need to separate your title and your reason with shift + enter
robust lava
Also, if you're not sure if Aureus is able to or not, you should check that before suggesting it
violet minnow
every jumpy boi boss can stand on platforms, including Aures can but often just falls down
median mauve
ok its edited
violet minnow
he probably falls when he spawns minons
fringe cloak
Aureus falls down becasue you're flying/not standing on the platform, same occurs with ravager
or atleast thats what I believe
violet minnow
^ that makes sence
the reason golem doesnt fall as often cause you dont fly as much
median mauve
well that means flying should not able to affect jumping platform walking bosses
crystal iron
Oh
I wish there was an option to revert back to old spirites
It be so cool and nostalgic
hollow shell
You can like
watch old YouTube vids
crystal iron
Ok but it's not the same 😔 😔
hollow shell
(cuz that thing you said just now is in the Don'ts doc)
crude geode
^
crystal iron
Ik that's why I didn't suggest it and said "I wish"
hollow shell
¯_(ツ)_/¯
golden narwhal
you could always try hunting down the download for old versions
sleek turret
uh, the reason why Dune Hopper is that color (aka: cyan) is because resembles the Aquatic Scourge.
since RIVs most of the time are re-colors of alredy existing weapons.
example: Quasar.
gray nebula
scourge of the seas is the aquatic scourge throwing weapon
dune hopper is just a ref to old ds I'm p sure
gray nebula
I mean AS was supposed to be a resprite of old DS anyways
sleek turret
let me check it
crystal iron
I just fought skeletron and there was a long pause before the song looped and it sounds odd
frail mantle
that ain't a Calamity thing
sleek turret
uh, here.
frail mantle
CEM isn't official
sleek turret
dune hopper
frail mantle
also CEM has been discontinued for a while now
sleek turret
old desert scourge sprite.
crystal iron
Oh, the more u know ig
dapper coral
if it's a vanilla boss, the music thing isn't cal's issue, ye
sleek turret
you can see that dune hopper has a slightly more cyan color to the old sprite.
crystal iron
I'll check other calamity bosses
hollow shell
Pretty sure Calamity changed its music tracks to have more dynamic looping not too long ago
If it was during Skeletron then that isn't Calamity's music, that is Calamity Extra Music (not owned by us), so
cinder spade
dune hopper's coloring matches the aquatic scourge, whose sprite was originally submitted as a desert scourge resprite
pretty sure it's a reference to that and not the old sprite, due to the color of the cyan
formal fable
Anyone else think it's really easy to cheese DoG by targetting his bunched up bottom half with a piercing weapon when 2nd phase first stars?
hollow shell
Worm bosses are supposed to have extra protection when they're still coiled up
Does DoG's not last long enough?
tawny garden
iirc it was increased from whatever it was when I first fought him, but I think he can still be 🧀ed
tawny garden
river glen
hey, i have a question
obsidion armor
what will it be after the tmod updates to 1.4
will it carry over its rogue characteristics or will it shed them instead for the summoner
hollow shell
Unless you've got a really clever suggestion in mind that somehow isn't future content related
river glen
make them a hybrid class
but then it dosent make as much sense
to have whips
and rogue
wepaons
hollow shell
There are weirder combos.
In fact we already have a summoner/rogue combo "set"
Forbidden Circlet
hollow shell
Indeed, but that's since been changed
sleek turret
it was kinda rare, though it used Master Ninja Set.
meaning that summoners could have 2 combined accesories on 1 slot.
river glen
well
whip oriantated hybrids
with rogue
dosent make sense
because ur either using a whip
or rogue
i guess its not worth suggesting it
when the time ocmes
robust lava
We might as well just wait and see, so then suggestions can be made based on the direction chosen
sleek turret
the point of whips is that basically they are like Aurelis Bomber or something.
give summoner, weapons that actually can become active, and not stal most of the time.
whole sedge
@ashen warren read don'ts
heady storm
@ashen warren that’s a don’t; it’s literally impossible to do.
dapper coral
it can't happen
ashen warren
oh, it isnt possible? ok...
dapper coral
actually we had this type of sugg a few days ago, search for crystyl crusher in this channel to see exactly why it's impossible
ashen warren
Reason: Terraria's right-click functionalities are poorly programmed. The laser beam function cannot be on right-click, because all "channeled" functionalities (that is, continuous effect on click-and-hold) do not work properly on right-click. Crystyl's slow direct mining speed in comparison to Blossom is not intended, it is yet another flaw in Terraria's right-click system. It's supposed to be much faster than Blossom.```oh
well dang.
summer sentinel
Thanks vanilla code 
but not surprised regardless
tawny garden
Crystyl Crusher is generally funny
ashen warren
Reason: We had one in the past (#offtopic) and it resulted in pain and torment. It was a breeding ground for idiocy and our moderators are content with the workload they have currently.```thank. god. it. was. removed.
violet dagger
who wants to see the beginning of sugg channel
fiery rapids
sure
tawny garden
Please don't spam first in here or start posting memes or whatever. Doing so will result in an immediate warn, without verbal warnings first, or respective punishments if you are already warned.
ashen warren
hm
violet dagger
when boss suggs were allowed: never #suggestions-voting message
tawny garden
I vividly remember #suggestions-voting starting with Fab saying "suggestions go here"
tawny garden
no, I remember reading that 
violet dagger
prolly deleted
real steppe
seems like the summon nerf flip sugg is neither approved or rejected still
hot zephyr
suggestion limbo time 
hollow shell
Thomas's? That got rejected actually, will indicate
unreal viper
cobalt pewter
Ah yes, yet another one of Thomas' sugg got rejected
Either way
I'm also curious how did it come into rejection
wooden wedge
@glad flower you need an actual reason for your sugg
weak field
Besides "this is gonna be cool" or something along the lines
glad flower
vanity concepts don't really need a reason aside from being "they are vanity" right
weak field
It's not a vanity concept really
It's a thrown potion not a weapon
So we need extra work
glass sentinel
stink potions arent a rogue wep
clever raft
How can you give a gameplay reason for a change to an object that doesn't have a gameplay reason to exist in the first place?
ashen warren
i absolutely 100% support that suggestion
clever raft
Me too
weak field
It's just too much effort for what it would provide
glass sentinel
there needs to be a proper reason
wooden wedge
vanity concepts don't really need a reason aside from being "they are vanity" right
stink potions are not vanity, they are stink potions
weak field
Which is just funne meme
glass sentinel
they arent rogue either
glad flower
they apply a visual effect for 30 seconds how can they not be vanity
i know they arent rogue but they are a thrown flask akin to most rogue weapons
last spade
What about making a stink potion upgrade that is a rogue weapon
weak field
It's just too much effort to make for a meme
last spade
glass sentinel
thats a different sugg
glad flower
It's just too much effort to make for a meme
LORDE moment
glass sentinel
mhm
weak field
lorde was made probably because one of the devs feels like putting effort into a boss
And also feels extra memey that day
glass sentinel
while there is no reason why stink needs a ss
ashen warren
lorde is so much more balanced than eye of cthulu
hollow shell
Stink Potions are not rogue weapons
weak field
You're not providing a proper reason here
And you need one if you want your suggestion to have a chance of get in
hollow shell
There could be some reason for you to add
You could put some emphasis on fun effects
and not just, assume you don't need to include any reason because it's just a fun effect
radiant meadow
If it's not a rogue weapon, it will not get a stealth strike.
No vanilla items are getting stealth strikes as no vanilla items are rogue.
hollow shell
Indeed, this is also true
radiant meadow
I'm inclined to delete the suggestion since they basically acknowledged that the suggestion was a meme in referencing the LORDE.
hollow shell
Sure
If they return then they can just repost it with the needed edits
Not much to rewrite
radiant meadow
deleted
dapper coral
okay so i was thinking of two things right
that a) the abyss shrine chest should be unlocked rather than locked, and b) the shrine chest/maybe abyss chests in general shouldn't be shadow chests, but abyss/void chests instead (for aesthetic purposes)
heady storm
I just think all chests since non-linearity.
ashen warren
i support a
dapper coral
i mean then i'd have to include removing the post-skelly lock on layer 2 innit
ashen warren
getting down to the bottom and then realizing that i forgot a shadow key is annoying...
hollow shell
What
dapper coral
i thought the abyss layer thing was a hardlock on certain bosses needing to be defeated (i.e. skelly) but it's not
it's just a lot more difficult
so, okay
i guess this should be split into 2 suggs then?
heady storm
Yeah I think so.
hollow shell
On one hand, the point of the Abyss is that it doesn't have hardlocks and the only thing stopping you from going deeper is the danger
so unlocking the chests would support that
On the other hand.. it's not that hard to get into the Abyss and grab a few chests
I feel like it could result in some easy sequence breaking
dapper coral
^ that is my primary concern, yes
because right now, there is literally no point in going to the abyss pre-skelly because you will just kill things and be killed
but if chests were unlocked, then that would lead to easy abyss weps pre-skelly or even pre-evil bosses
which would be a tad too strong
cobalt pewter
I kinda wanna suggest all shadow chests in abyss to be replaced by void chests, and making them automatically unlocked post skelly
dapper coral
like, do an astral chest thingy?
cobalt pewter
Sort of ye
dapper coral
that might not be a bad idea
summer sentinel
That's fair as long as the shadow key can open up the void chests since the void chests do stick with the theme of the abyss or have a "void key" that can be made, either or shouldn't be too hard to implement?
cobalt pewter
Hmm
dapper coral
well the point is that they wouldn't need to be unlocked by a key
only on skelly death
dapper coral
like how the astral dungeon chest unlocks after AA kaputs
cobalt pewter
^
It will still have locked visuals
And you still need to unlock it
But with post skelly kill instead of shadow keys
summer sentinel
oh yeah, okay that's fair and then shadow key won't need its usage, that's probably the best of both worlds then in terms of the void chest theme in the abyss and them being unlocked post skele
dapper coral
okay so uhhh i'll suggest the aesthetic change then
you can do the unlocky thingy then feedzuh
cobalt pewter
Okok
dapper coral
oh, is there any lore connection between the dungeon and the abyss?
i don't think there is but i haven't read it all
fossil finch
Not at all
dapper coral
epic
hollow shell
Eidolists.
fossil finch
More than cultist being in the dungeon cuz it's close to the abyss
dapper coral
oh yeah, why are there eidolists in the abyss again
hollow shell
Eidolon Wyrms.
heady storm
Lore states cultists worship the Wyrms and transform into the juveniles etc..
hollow shell
Cultists worship at the Dungeon
when they ascend they become Eidolists
and when they truly ascend they transform into Eidolon Wyrms
dapper coral
well i suppose it's not an incredibly strong connection
hollow shell
not a big one I guess
dapper coral
and it doesn't really give a reason as to the existence of shadow chests in the abyss
so it's probably fine?
eh
hollow shell
s'prolly fine prolly
dapper coral
probably™️
summer sentinel
yeah I'd say it's fine, and if there is an issue then it'll be addressed quickly as such
ashen warren
real question is why are people putting fish in locked boxes
dapper coral
gotta keep em safe bro
ashen warren
understandable
cobalt pewter
They're heirloom fishes
summer sentinel
It's saving them for later to eat
cobalt pewter
Actually a concept of fish weapons initially spawning as critters you need to bug net em in is
Interesting
But either way
ashen warren
yeah and maybe save the shadow chests for items like torrential tear?
radiant meadow
The ancient races who hid the weapons in the abyss used preservatives.
hot zephyr
I mean there will always be a connection from the Dungeon, it's got the key to get into the void
ashen warren
lihzards said haha fish funny go in box
cobalt pewter
Arguably the shadow key is one of the weaker connections to abyss imo
dapper coral
I mean there will always be a connection from the Dungeon, it's got the key to get into the void
well that's what i'm sayin
indirectly at least
is that it's a bit arbitrary of a connection to have
so turning them into different chests removes that mechanic by default
(other than like astral chest but at least that makes sense because oreos)
ashen warren
hm should i suggest my idea of the fish weapons in the abyss instead being rare mobs or being caught with bug net?
crude geode
I mean, isn't the abyss incredibly dark? So much so that it is the main mechanic of the abyss?
dapper coral
my only concern is whether catchables can have weapon stats
if they can then i don't see why not, but that sounds like it might be funky codewise
crude geode
sounds kinda frustrating tbh, especially if there's cuttlefish running around and killing the weapons.
golden narwhal
That'd also require a statement on what would happen to the abyss chests, since weapons are their primary loot
crude geode
there's still the abyss gear and rain summoning item
ashen warren
sounds kinda frustrating tbh, especially if there's cuttlefish running around and killing the weapons.
@crude geode they can just make it considered a enemy
like prismatic butterfly
for EoL
golden narwhal
iirc the gear is just like 4 items for 10 or so chests
ashen warren
ill try to think of some new items
crude geode
ehhh I wouldn't, would be a SIS
ashen warren
and of course alternatively they could make the fish enemies with 100% drop rate
crude geode
also, on the connection of the dungeon and the abyss
ashen warren
this would also allow for infinite of the same weapon
incase your world generates with one
crude geode
There's also the mini-bosses dropping items once polterghast is defeated
ashen warren
yeah so it fits the theme of the abyss
kill the powerful monsters for powerful weapons
crude geode
plus the abyss always spawns near the dungeon (sulphurous sea too)
ashen warren
well idk there can be a message that states after skeletron has been defeated "New life flourishes in the Abyss" or "New life flourishes beneath the Sulphuric Sea"
it would also inform new players about the abyss
crude geode
I'm not talking about your theoretical suggestion, I'm referring to @dapper coral 's suggestion and how there's more connections between the abyss and dungeon then just the eidolists.
ashen warren
ah ok
dapper coral
worldgen i feel like is kinda weak as well tbh (also i'm pretty sure part of the reason the abyss is on dungeon-side is so that it doesn't eat thorium's ocean biome)
ashen warren
yeah but it also makes it easier to access the abyss after skeletron is defeated
just run in grab a shadow key and then you can go immediately to the abyss
but
dapper coral
the minibosses thing...i mean, that's true, don't really got anything against that
crude geode
And the eidolist thing shows an entire lore connection between the cultists located IN the dungeon and the eidolon worms in the abyss
hot zephyr
The Abyss and Dungeon are actually really closely tied together
dapper coral
and i did mention that, but lore isn't a super strong reason to suggest/not suggest something either
hot zephyr
It's a nice QoL change for Summoners because there's really no point to going in the Dungeon as one
You can buy the bewitching table from the witch doctor anyways
crude geode
I just feel like, with the lore connection of the eidolists, the world gen supporting them being close together, and the whole "the more you explore the dungeon/defeat it's bosses, the more of the abyss you unlock" it's pretty closely tied.
meanwhile, the only reason to go through with the change besides removing a "random connection between the two" being aesthetic purpose is also not the best of reasoning.
dapper coral
hmm
crude geode
I just really don't see the reasoning behind this suggestion, because there is at least a semblance of a connection between the abyss and the dungeon.
and shadows do fit the theme of darkness in the abyss imo
Maybe it's just me nitpicking but I just can't see that much logic when compared to the evidence to just keep the status quo, and the connection between the dungeon and the abyss.
@cobalt pewter I'd recommend taking a look at what I've said as well.
golden narwhal
Be less specific with the enemy attacks
crude geode
Couldn't this also be done by having them be catchable via crates?
ashen warren
another alternative
golden narwhal
I kinda like this idea, since it's unique-isque
ashen warren
i think them being enemies makes more sense
golden narwhal
My only real gripe is what will happen to the chests and their loot
ashen warren
theres already 5 other items in the chest loot always possible to add more
golden narwhal
Should expand upon the reasoning tho
ashen warren
k
golden narwhal
Since the current reasoning is already a thing
crude geode
yeah
ashen warren
yeah oops didnt notice
golden narwhal
crude geode
I guess your sugg is still valid then @dapper coral ? (I guess I am trying to argue with a mods sugg)
ashen warren
k the message would also serve to alert players of the abyss
because i dont think theres much to tell new players about it?
hollow shell
Is your only reason that the weapons would be renewable this way? That seems to be all the reasoning you list for your primary suggestion, just the first sentence
dapper coral
I guess I am trying to argue with a mods sugg
i may be a mod but i'm still a dumbass lol, by all means tell me what i'm doing wrong
byeah i don't quite understand, what changed your mind Cursed?
ashen warren
theres also alot of loot possible from abyss chests
and not many chests to access
considering some can be made impossible to access if trapped in abyssal terrain
hollow shell
(except, you can mine it)
hollow shell
Your suggestion's reason could prolly use a bit of restructuring
It's kind of a tangent that shifts between different topics
It's fine as-is but a tad hard to read
unreal star
man we're getting a lot of suggs for the abyss chests huh
ashen warren
idk maybe xeroc
because the terminus for boss rush is down there too
maybe a god just wanted to put the fish in the box
unreal star
yeah maybe
ashen warren
no problems with it yet 🤞
proper grail
Me too
ashen warren
what's wrong with this sugg btw
frail mantle
your suggestion's header should be worded more like a request than a statement ("The fish weapons in the abyss should be found in the shadow chests instead being rare mobs or being caught with bug net")
proper grail
I'm all for a change to the Abyss
proper grail
Who's for a jumpscare mob, effect, or sound in the Abyss?
ashen warren
N O
hollow shell
Luminous Corvina is kinda meant to be that gameplay-wise
and Reaper Sharks can surprise you because they are initially stealthed
cobalt pewter
Doesn't Aureus already stand on platforms?
hollow shell
An actual full-screen jumpscare would just be hated by everybody
cobalt pewter
At least in my experience
golden narwhal
He falls down after shooting the crystals
cobalt pewter
Oh yea, once he moves
serene fox
also the header is wack byeah
ashen warren
after teleporting, aureus just falls
which is very annoying since my arena is 3 rows of platforms
hollow shell
(btw @crystal iron, people have told you why Dune Hopper is not brown, so it would be good if you could acknowledge them in your reason, and explain why your suggestion should still be enacted even when considering the reasons)
proper grail
Then the other idea I have is vastly decreasing the spawn rates in layer 4, and making it darker. The track is literally called the Void, it should be an unnerving experience of just falling . . . falling . . . falling . . . Player was slain by Reaper Shark
hollow shell
Kinda happens already, but, you could suggest that it be made more so I guess
ashen warren
petition to change the name of the lower abyss theme song to "Player was slain by Reaver Shark"
proper grail
Hahahahahahaha
Just for a week
I mean Turq changed Playing With Firepower to Assembling Balls'o'tron for a while
ashen warren
and queen bee theme to "Benson is Real"
proper grail
What was Skelly again?
ashen warren
Sans
ashen warren
yeah only large creatures
ashen warren
pretty sure like half of the abyss enemies are based off of Subnautica lol
I kinda wish layer 4 would be bigger though
and Subnautica follows that rule of oh its empty but you better hope it stays that way
proper grail
I'd imagine it'd be terrifically dark, much more so than the previous layers, and you'd get ambushed by one Shark or so, not a bunch of enemies
ashen warren
like the top of the abyss is all linear but layer 4 is like one big circle of darkness
proper grail
Basically, buff the minibosses but make them rarer.
ashen warren
nahh
proper grail
And make layer 4 darker too
ashen warren
well put it in #suggestions-posting
proper grail
I'm judging it first
ashen warren
ok lol
proper grail
It's not worth it to post a bad suggestion
Lol
Is there any way you'd like this revised?
ashen warren
idk i feel like the minibosses are rare enough
plus
farming them
you can always do what i did with my suggestion
i posted it and then edited it
proper grail
True
ashen warren
hopefully it gets approved 🤞
oh hey, here is a cool idea: make layer 4 bigger and add environmental corals and weeds that glows in the darkness, maybe make it so that the light of the corals look similar to the enemies you encounter down there ie. reaper shark's bluish glow to increase the paranoia. Basically, take inspiration from the Mariana Trench
proper grail
I love it honestly, it's such an original idea
proper grail
oh hey, here is a cool idea: make layer 4 bigger and add environmental corals and weeds that glows in the darkness, maybe make it so that the light of the corals look similar to the enemies you encounter down there ie. reaper shark's bluish glow to increase the paranoia. Basically, take inspiration from the Mariana Trench
Oh goodness . . .
ashen warren
wait why are fish in box
hollow shell
A funny idea but like
there's no way there'd ever be corals and seaweed at the bottom of the mariana trench
ashen warren
but then i realized it was actually kinda of a good idea
in my opinion, layer 4 right now isn't remotely threatening since you can just keep attacking downward to aggro anything that's hiding in the dark but by making the environment bigger, you wouldn't expect which direction they will come from
to be fair theres no way there would be a fish that fire lasers either
proper grail
Corals that glow, but don't emit light . . . in patterns like the Wyrms eyes and such
ashen warren
woahhh
yeah that would be cool
there's no way there'd ever be corals and seaweed at the bottom of the mariana trench
@hollow shell I mean, it's terraria where fantasy has no limit
plants that look like the enemies
(to an extent)
or even enemies that look like other stronger enemies?
hollow shell
yeah but like
you said "Basically, take inspiration from the Mariana Trench" as if that summarized what you just said
when it in fact was completely the opposite of real life
proper grail
I mean, reasonably you get scalded by water being that near literal firey hell for centuries
ashen warren
life flourishes near steam vents so if the entire water is like a steam vent
proper grail
I mean, reasonably you get scalded by water being that near literal firey hell for centuries
I'm assuming none of us want a heat-based debuff in layer 4?
ashen warren
then it would make sense for some slight vegatation
also how would the planty mush get down there?
without plants
hollow shell
Planty Mush's lore is related to Silva
ashen warren
I think in subnautica there are like geysers in the deep parts of the ocean as well so having that as an environmental threat in layer 4 would be welcomed too
oh right yeah
hollow shell
Plant goddess is trapped in the Abyss causing the planty mush to grow, despite there being no sunlight to photosynthesize
proper grail
Let's see. What do you like most. 1. Darken layer 4, 2. Give layer 4 a heat based debuff, or 3. Add "paranoia coral"
cobalt pewter
Imagine silva eventually able to be freed 
ashen warren
all
cobalt pewter
But either way
ashen warren
imagine being able to cure the sulphuric sea
proper grail
Impossible
ashen warren
except for heat based debuff
the geyser could be similar to the underworld's lava mechanic in death mode
proper grail
That much chemical contamination from the dead bodies and toxic waste can't be fixed
ashen warren
ill eat it
ashen warren
what if when you beat xeroc he idk gives you an option to cure something
just thinking about it
cuz hes farrrrrrrrrr from implemented
proper grail
Two debuff ideas
- Add Heat Exhaustion
- Add a custom one called something like "Scalding Depths" which functions like nerfed lava
ashen warren
maybe #2 could be inflicted by the falling pieces of scoria ore?
proper grail
I'd think it'd be layer 4 exclusive, Scoria could inflict it on hit
Maybe it's like buffed lava actually
ashen warren
maybe a heat based mob in the abyss?
proper grail
You'd need heat immunity and lava immunity to survive
Because realistically, layer four is a pressure cooker taken to extremes
proper grail
maybe a heat based mob in the abyss?
Possibly
the abyss shouldnt require more gear
Just layer 4, which is already endgame. And a lava charm or such ain't hard
You're probably already wearing one of the lava wader upgrades
proper grail
Abyssal diving armor could also give resistance or immunity
ashen warren
yeah
well
then it seems kinda useless then
can we finally have abyss boss with a bigger space
boss sugg 
proper grail
It'd just be to keep low level players out until Post-ML, and heighten the suspense as to "what's really down there?"
ashen warren
also relic of deliverance allows you to skip all of the abyss
because it allows for travel through any blocks
proper grail
But that's post ML though
ashen warren
i was just saying
ashen warren
i think they already said it doesnt matter
proper grail
They?
ashen warren
mods
cuz you can already mine most blocks
and the abyss is literally the only use for that
proper grail
I don't understand how that negates a layer based debuff
cobalt pewter
@ashen warren give a couple line breaks to your sugg (Shift + Enter on pc)
I cba to read it because everything is smushed
ashen warren
done
cobalt pewter
proper grail
Let's see
cobalt pewter
Also aren't the Voidstone layers of Abyss supposed to be barren?
I mean there's silva
ashen warren
i really like that idea of having to search for terminus
because its suppose to be sealed down there
cobalt pewter
But like, the entire point of the deeper abyss is the feel that there's not much of anything in there
proper grail
- Add a heat debuff to lower abyss
- Make lower abyss darker
- Add a few, very few paranoia coral
- Lock layer 4 until post ML through debuffs
Any issues?
cobalt pewter
Much like irl deep oceans, where most things feed off plankton in the water
ashen warren
yep and the plankton feed off of the decaying matter
which im guessing there would be alot of
by heat debuff you mean you will slowly die without the post ML diving gear?
cobalt pewter
And Lava Zones in Subnautica is essentially underwater Underworld
Which doesn't make sense for Abyss given that it stops just as it's about to hit underworld layer
Plus the fact that water go die when entering underworld layer
proper grail
Actually water doesn't boil when under extreme pressure
cobalt pewter
I guess that's the Scoria for ig
ashen warren
hmm yeah
ashen warren
I was literally thinking of Scoria
proper grail
Sitting right above hell would heat that water up thousands of degrees realistically
cobalt pewter
Tell that to literally every water in cavern
proper grail
Hah
cobalt pewter
Plus giving too much threats at 4th layer isn't too preferable imo, especially since you're fighting chonky mobs there
proper grail
This would be specific to maintaining the mystery of layer 4 until post ML. You enter pre ML and you don't even get time to see a miniboss. So you don't know what to expect when you dive post ML
proper grail
I said that earlier and it got shut down
ashen warren
wyrm is a pretty lazy concept for an enemy
cobalt pewter
But Reaper is rather easy considering the amount of mobility provided by abyssal underwater gears
ashen warren
cultist into a worm and some telepathic power to pull you
it could maybe have more varied attacks
cobalt pewter
Plus the long chasm in 3rd layer gives a lot of room for fighting Reaper Sharks
Which further trivializes the mob
ashen warren
(This is a small world) I would consider removing the last couple islands because theres no way a player with prehardmode gear would be able to reach down there for those shadow chests anyway and then expanding the abyss to the side
cobalt pewter
Small world is irrelevant for worldgen stuff
whole sedge
(abyss is made for large worlds iirc)
ashen warren
k
proper grail
Is anyone against the idea of locking layer 4 until ML
cobalt pewter
Technically, I'd do
Well
Not hard locks at least
The pressure system is already a good way to softlock layers
proper grail
It'd be a soft lock. A debuff that the ML abyss armor negates, but otherwise functions similarly to lethal lava burn
ashen warren
Still expanding the Abyss to the sides and perhaps making the terrain generate similar to the sunken sea would make it a funner and more dangerous experience
would also allow for hiding the terminus item like SolticeUnlimitd said
proper grail
But it shouldn't be armor specific
proper grail
Just "standard abyss gear" specific
cobalt pewter
M
proper grail
I'm doing it
ashen warren
lots of abyss ideas
all of them unique too
hopefully my idea gets approved overnight
golden narwhal
inb4 enough abyss suggs overnight for a full rework
cobalt pewter
lmoa
ashen warren
id love it if the abyss got a big update
golden narwhal
I feel like reasoning could be expanded upon, since there's only a little bit at the beginning
proper grail
Which part specifically
cobalt pewter
And I'd say use "softlock" instead of just lock
proper grail
And I'd say use "softlock" instead of just lock
Done
@golden narwhal what reasoning needs expansion?
golden narwhal
I'm unsure now, so just ... ignore 
proper grail
I'll think on it, maybe the secrecy part?
frail mantle
yea you don't really say anything about why Layer 4 should be locked behind the Diving Suit
golden narwhal
There is an explaination after the initial sentence
Smth smth realistic stuff and it's post-ml and minibosses are mystery
proper grail
Look now
glass sentinel
i mean the breathe loss is already pretty bad
golden narwhal
Yea, looks better
cobalt pewter
I'll wait for the key sugg to go into voting before suggesting to buff/rework Reaper Shark
proper grail
I actually managed to stand on the Terminus shrine right after defeating Skelly
cobalt pewter
golden narwhal
my prediction is coming true
glass sentinel
I actually managed to stand on the Terminus shrine right after defeating Skelly
wow
thats
uh
proper grail
I got obliterated by a Reaper 0.1 seconds after, but still
That really shouldn't be possible
proper grail
Ouch
ashen warren
proper grail
But I think mine makes the most realistic sense and requires no extra items to be added
Just one debuff
glass sentinel
the 'go fuck yourself' debuff
proper grail
Exactly
You've got better things to do than cheese the abyss pre hardmode until you get Terminus
It's not even worth attempting then
hollow shell
I swear to god if there are any more Abyss suggestions
ashen warren
what are you gonna do rover 
heady storm
I swear to god if there are any more Abyss suggestions
I took a peek into sugg posting and just noticed.
dapper coral
add 2 new bosses to the abyss please it's really borring and lame :((((((((
golden narwhal
rover bans abyss suggs when
ashen warren
5 suggs 
heady storm
Demik that's unfortunately a don't. 
dapper coral
what kind of monster did i awaken with my abyss chests
heady storm
proper grail
The monster of "underdeveloped broken biome that needs fixing"
hollow shell
btw you meant "Abyssal Diving Suit", not Gear
Gear is the post-Clone one
hollow shell
high temperature is also quite inaccurate to real world trenches. In real life the Mariana Trench is only a few degrees above freezing. But, Terraria does indeed have hell and a lava layer so...
cobalt pewter
what kind of monster did i awaken with my abyss chests
I feel like I'm more at fault here
I randomly threw in the idea of changing shadow chests in Abyss
And the rest is history
ashen warren
what if one more abyss sugg 
proper grail
high temperature is also quite inaccurate to real world trenches. In real life the Mariana Trench is only a few degrees above freezing. But, Terraria does indeed have hell and a lava layer so...
I was referring to thermal vents, which are incredibly hot
serene fox
holy fuck another abyss suggestion
glass sentinel
ikr
tawny garden
Abyss sugg infestation
crystal iron
😔 😔
glass sentinel
yall shouldnt of said anything
tawny garden
6 of em
proper grail
The cycle begins
tawny garden
All of them, I presume
glass sentinel
ah
hollow shell
What the hell even is this reasoning
glass sentinel
welllllllll
golden narwhal
most [stage weapons] are upgradeable
brb. making a sugg for cold divinity upgrade
glass sentinel
i dunno
crystal iron
Post skeltron
hollow shell
also Koora I pinged you earlier
glass sentinel
its not reasoning
hollow shell
about the Dune Hopper sugg
crystal iron
Oh
proper grail
I can say that upgrading abyss weapons makes sense. And I further agree with it for reasons I'm not allowed to disclose
hollow shell
We get it, you fucked the Lionfish one time
crystal iron
Oh it got exclaimed ;c
proper grail
XD
golden narwhal
I think I'm missing context
serene fox
hollow shell
Oh welp there they go
hollow shell
When a sugg get's exclaimed that means you can edit it to make it valid
proper grail
Rover do you frequent the patron server?
hollow shell
tho, it's fair if you just didn't agree with the Dune Hopper sugg anymore
Nah, not really
proper grail
I'll dm you
hollow shell
Okie
tawny garden
We get it, you fucked the Lionfish one time
😳
tawny garden
That's because everyone started sugging abyss stuff
ashen warren
yeah
glass sentinel
at least its better than another 'Hey, I have an awesome idea for yharim's boss fight, please pay me devs'
ashen warren
its kinda surreal seeing the suggs
crystal iron
I did it for the meme but I did want to suggest that before and now is the perfect opportunity
glass sentinel
nice
ashen warren
meme ?
crystal iron
Idk
proper grail
I had Abyss ideas too and now just felt right
crystal iron
Not really a meme but u get what I mean
glass sentinel
so essentially you need to change the title into 'Implement the Abyss Weapons Into Exo-tier Recipe Tree'
or something
tawny garden
Hey, I have an awesome idea for yharim's boss fight, please pay me devs
What if some rich bloke donates like 10 million dollars to fab and asks for Yharim as a dedicated npc
glass sentinel
oh dear
proper grail
Fab already said they wouldn't take it
proper grail
Fuckin mobile
glass sentinel
ikr
cobalt pewter
lol
hollow shell
puh
tawny garden
hollow shell
Anyway I guess this suggestion's reasoning makes sense
Still not very strong but
There's somethin
glass sentinel
so essentially you need to change the title into 'Implement the Abyss Weapons Into Exo-tier Recipe Tree'
do this?
proper grail
Reword it and expand. I'd edit it if I had the chance
crystal iron
so essentially you need to change the title into 'Implement the Abyss Weapons Into Exo-tier Recipe Tree'
I was gonna say that but it's not what I mean
I meant direct upgrades cuz I think the shadow chest abyss wepaons are unique kinda
I'm bad at explaining I might need help expanding Sugg 😔 😔
proper grail
Suggestion: Ban posting more than 4 suggestions for the same area of the game in a row
cobalt pewter
You can always yeet it here first before suggesting
tawny garden
No
proper grail
Or we can type it, and you can copy the parts you like
crystal iron
Suggestion: Ban posting more than 4 suggestions for the same area of the game in a row
Ur Sugg is 5th c:
summer sentinel
I'm confused as to why locking tier 4 of abyss is a suggestion
tawny garden
But literally only 1 sugg in posting isn't related to Abyss atm
Because abyss bad redo
proper grail
I know 
cobalt pewter
I'd suggest reaper shark buff/rework, but like, I don't wanna be smited by rover
summer sentinel
the "mystery" isn't there, locking tier 4 of abyss is just putting more or less a needless boundary on something that doesn't need to be there
cobalt pewter
proper grail
the "mystery" isn't there, locking tier 4 of abyss is just putting more or less a needless boundary on something that doesn't need to be there
I've stood on the Terminus shrine just after Skelly, there clearly needs to be something preventing that
sand umbra
with all due respect, there's a fine line between nonlinearity and carefully dismantling what is meant to be a sense of progression
proper grail
Because if I tried harder I could actually get Terminus
sand umbra
okay, carefully ain't the right word
golden narwhal
You could get termi, but I'd like to see someone beat BR pre-hm
hollow shell
(and Martian Saucer, arguably)
sand umbra
more like "very roughly and without regard for the point of having progression at all"
saucer isn't a boss
hollow shell
(and Betsy)
sand umbra
outta here
sand umbra
Betsy is a boss but OOA is like bruh
proper grail
You could get termi, but I'd like to see someone beat BR pre-hm
Exactly. You have literally no chance, why would you even try to get Terminus. Save it for when it's actually a useful item.
golden narwhal
I mean, directly post-ml is also not a great place to try termi
golden narwhal
proper grail
It's at least better though, and that's when you can realistically begin to survive
tawny garden
sand umbra
I can get Ben in-game pog
hollow shell
Don't forget there's stuff down there besides Terminus
glass sentinel
pain