If this is staying, the 'stand still' part needs to be specified to p1 (unless you've unlocked god AI manipulation skills)
#suggestions-discussion
golden narwhal
hollow shell
@quick relic Do you mean both phases or just P1?
mossy badge
you literally only need a mouse for bosses in normal mode
@noble turret what
i had trouble with prov and deus
quick relic
Both
mossy badge
AND 100+ TRIES ON SCAL IN NORMAL
golden narwhal
Regarding the standing still?
mossy badge
FUCK THAT
hollow shell
How do you stand still during P2? Doesn't he launch his ass straight at you after laser phases?
violet minnow
he does but you can tank it if you are really sweaty and over prepared
i think p2 is fine
violet minnow
what happened to the suggustion bot
radiant meadow
It's offline due to personal issues the bot owner is having
violet minnow
ooh, okay didnt know
worthy lintel
Classless weapons doing targeting sounds.... redundant?
You can already right-click
violet minnow
not with classless weapons
worthy lintel
Yea but it looks like a few strings of code for a function all summon weapons already do
Not bad by a stretch, it just sounds not so practical
violet minnow
its not needed, but it would be nice
small hull
You know how there is a "read the pins" emote? There should be a "Check the wiki" emote too lol. Most questions in help and advice could just be answered by reading the wiki. Do you guys think this should be added?
tawny garden
hm
frail mantle
m
tawny garden
m
small hull
m
frail mantle
i feel like it'd mostly make people just say :checkthewiki: anytime someone needs help instead of actually helping them
small hull
Yeah..
frail mantle
not sure though
hollow shell
Like, yeah you could just !wiki [thing] for whatever topic comes up
tawny garden
Or [[thing]]
radiant meadow
that isn't good for searching for something
tawny garden
I still use it
radiant meadow
It's garbage if you don't know exactly what you're looking for and have perfect spelling
dapper coral
at this point it's only available in wikibasic and wikilookup? i think?
radiant meadow
No
tawny garden
No
radiant meadow
because restricting it is a patron feature
tawny garden
Or dev
dapper coral
oh 
radiant meadow
wikibasic and calawiki are literally the only reason it wasn't disabled server wide
dapper coral
anyway, i suppose the point is that it's probably better to just actually help people/redirect to #wiki-lookup instead of having an emote for the wiki
radiant meadow
I hope you know that
dapper coral
mhm
sturdy geyser
mmmyes
zenith hazel
haunted scroll, ancient ice chunk, black hawk remote, spiders, forbidden circlet, etc.
hollow shell
You need to add a reason to your suggestion @sage badge
sage badge
Okay
hollow shell
On a separate line below, Shift+Enter
sturdy geyser
also theres like a ton of gear
zenith hazel
not sure why we really need more
sturdy geyser
why does there need to be more?
hollow shell
(and yeah iunno if summoner is in a really big need for that stuff at that point in particular)
craggy stratus
it doesnt need more stuffs
zenith hazel
shellfish, sand sharks and caustic too ig
sturdy geyser
The only thing I could see it using is more sentries tbh
radiant meadow
Use Queen Spider Staff
ashen warren
Weapons are full
sturdy geyser
queen spider kinda cring
ashen warren
Sentries yeah, maybe could use just a bit
craggy stratus
pirate staffs too
ashen warren
hardmode has a lot of sentries overall
but no calamity one before mechs?
or cryogen?
craggy stratus
the cryogen one is post 3 mechs
ashen warren
Okay
hollow shell
Orthocera Shell is post-AS Acid Rain
craggy stratus
armor is fine, you have 3 options
fossil finch
summoner needs a lot more sentries yeah but
just saying "add content" kinda cringe
zenith hazel
spider, forbidden, mollusk (yes)
craggy stratus
no acc as far as i know
zenith hazel
jelly-charged battery and summoner emblem are enough to carry you until you get hallowed rune/nuclear rod
craggy stratus
ah 1 then
hollow shell
s'got First Shadowflame, and got Jelly-Charged Battery just before
ashen warren
I guess there could be some variety in them, maybe a sentry acc
hollow shell
and yeah Summoner Emblem of course
craggy stratus
the earliest second acc you can get is hallowed rune
radiant meadow
First Shadowflame is shit but moving past that
fossil finch
First Shadowflame more like nobody uses that apparently
ashen warren
Seems like minion stuff is p filled out
jovial spire
needs a buff tbh
zenith hazel
sentries are pain to balance, keep that in mind
fossil finch
runes are cool
hollow shell
Wait shit should this suggestion have gone through?
craggy stratus
i forgot about that, and the acid rain 2 one
radiant meadow
ehhh
hollow shell
Cuz the decreased amount of afterimages is a bug
radiant meadow
it's more of a bug imo
hollow shell
The reasoning is based on a bug but the sugg could still be implemented
ashen warren
hm
dapper coral
was it not supposed to?
radiant meadow
Celestus and Triactis are supposed to have afterimages still
Afterimage code (type 0) doesn't work anymore for some reason
ashen warren
summoner basically has enough stuff besides maybe sentries in early hardmode
if you go to like auric tier for example, there's a better case
craggy stratus
ooa tier 2 sentry, queen spider staff, and the shell rover mentioned
dapper coral
should i delete it then?
ashen warren
tier 2 is after mechs right?
zenith hazel
we will get to expanding auric tier a bit more later
radiant meadow
commented in the code btw https://gyazo.com/521e8243c08d558713c8e1ba72871f2b
craggy stratus
tier 2 is after one mech
hollow shell
Ehhh uhh hmm
ashen warren
Ah
craggy stratus
so technically still early
hollow shell
Yes do delete, and I'll ping him tellin him what's up
zenith hazel
is the early-hm summoner guy gonna edit the sugg or-
ashen warren
He got pinged like immediately, so doubtful
dapper coral
mmkay is gone
hollow shell
@opaque slate Afterimages are meant to show up on those weapons, however they currently do not as a result of a bug. You can still propose your suggestion if you still want it, but you should edit your reason to acknowledge that this was not an intentional change but could still be implemented as one regardless (once the bug's fixed).
Here's your suggestion:
add a config option for high detailed afterimages
Earlier this year, afterimages were present on almost every projectile weapon. The effect looked especially good on weapons like celestus and The mage hammer of might. As of some recent update they where tuned down a bit and removed from a lot of weapons, now limited to a few like the molten amputator or draconic destruction.
My idea is to add 3 levels of afterimage quality:
1 = off
2 = standard (current 'on' option)
3 = high (old afterimage effect)
tawny garden
first sugg deletion from voting iirc
dapper coral
oh you also had it copied, coolio
first sugg deletion from voting iirc
i feel like it's happened before, but this is like one of the first for sure
opaque slate
@hollow shell i see. Thanks for letting me know
hollow shell
👍
zenith hazel
@sage badge are you going to edit your suggestion btw?
tawny garden
they ding dong ditched
sage badge
I dont know how, just got off work, an impluse
hollow shell
If you can't think of any reason or elaboration for your suggestion then you probably should delete it, if it just came to your head on a whim without much thought
hollow shell
(I'll just do it and you can repost whenever you think of something)
zenith hazel
there's a lot to unpack here
ashen warren
What are we discussing boys?
Oh hey Brav I've been meaning to ask you about something.
zenith hazel
- there will be no super zenith because we plan to make zenith scale to post-scal
- I don't really see the point to having another one considering it's already the big bad endgame vanilla sword, don't really need an upgrade for it
- specific item suggestion sorta
- let's not suggest stuff regarding 1.4 content
whole sedge
even states that there's no reason to have it other than "it'd be cool"
zenith hazel
the most important point being 1
ashen warren
Zenith scaling to post-SCal would make it viable again but the real reason I suggested it would honestly be because Zenith is like the ultimate melee of vanilla Terraria, and Calamity almost doesn't have it. I get it's one of those super picky ''why?'' suggestions but..
Man, I just wanna be able to swing Earth, Animus, Draconic Destruction etc. all at once.
radiant meadow
Zenith scaling?
zenith hazel
now that's just asking to break the game at this point
yes, ozz brought it up a while ago in cmt
ashen warren
Yes, but you also have to keep in mind that by that point, you've already beaten SCal.
At least twice.
.
zenith hazel
but there's still boss rush
mossy badge
you actually have to buff it at that point
ashen warren
Oh yeah that thing exists.
ashen warren
You could alternatively heavily scale it down for BR but I feel like that would upset people.
zenith hazel
and combining multiple of the dev swords at once would be either game breaking or too hard to actually program for it to be unique
ashen warren
Anyways, guess I'll just learn how to mod and make my own Super Zenith.
zenith hazel
your choice then
mossy badge
:D
ashen warren
But on an unrelated note Brav, I was gonna ask you (or any other mod) something.
mossy badge
ohhh
ashen warren
It got accepted, so I was just wondering if that ever happened?
ashen warren
Oh. So there won't be any Sky Island updates?
ashen warren
Fair.
Anyways, just gonna delete my previous suggestion. Not worth discussing it.
Well, at least not anymore.
crude geode
@austere meteor Kelvin Catalyst is a dono weapon, which is why it’s crafted the way it is. Someone specifically asked for it.
Adding more farming to the game doesn’t sound particularly fun tbh.
austere meteor
I just think the concept of how it is crafted is a cool concept and it can be expanded upon for other bosses. And it's not like you have to get it if you don't want to farm for it, akin to farming for the 1% and 2.5% drops from bosses; you can still progress in the game perfectly fine without them, and in some cases, the crafted items are arguably somewhat better than the rare items
Same thing goes for the Kelvin Catalyst itself really. Aside from 3 of the 5 classes just not being able to or specced to use it effectively, even melee and rogue loadouts can do just fine without it.
I like the idea of using all the bosses' drops to craft a unique weapon because it gives you a clear goal of what you want, and what you need. Instead of killing a boss over and over again depending on RNG to give you that rare weapon, with this idea you have more or less have a concrete goal to work towards, which in my opinion is more rewarding than just getting that random drop.
crude geode
You still can just not get the drops needed for it. Plus, the only two examples of this types of weapon are dedicated. Kelvin Catalyst and Apotheosis are both dedicated.
If you want another weapon like it, you can always donate.
radiant meadow
(three because Drat but it's also dedicated)
austere meteor
hmmm
crude geode
yeah.
hot zephyr
Kelvin Catalyst? More?
If you want pointless grinding for the sake of grinding, go play Fargo's
crude geode
Plus making more of these weapons means they're overall less unique.
hot zephyr
Calamity runs are already 30-40 hrs, no need to make the mod drag on even longer tbh
austere meteor
I personally am okay with it. I like taking things slow, killing bosses just for the sake of them being fun, even after 16 rev/death runs
crude geode
Some people aren't though.
Calamity already has a generous amount of farming, and has made steps to reduce some of this farming. See the example of luminite bar requirements for recipes being reduced, and people wanting DoG to have to be fought less for bars.
whole sedge
I'd rather not grind even more for a weapon like Kelvin Catalyst as there's already two other weapons just like it, having this game just be a grindfest isn't really the most fun to me and to a lot of other people really, plus it'd ruin the uniqueness and interesting points of Kelvin Catalyst, Drat and Apotheosis as the only reason most people even care about them is because of how extensive and rewarding they can be to get but making a ton of weapons just like it removes the entire point of that 
crude geode
yeah that's probably the most concise reasoning of why adding more kelvin catalysts isn't the best idea
If you really want another weapon like it, dono
whole sedge
if you don't like parts of death mode don't play death mode simple as that
whole sedge
From don'ts doc
hollow idol
EoC thing sounds neat
whole sedge
Yeah that does sound pretty neato
violet minnow
it may say that but if enough of the community backs the idea it might be better
acoustic cape
yeah i will remake it to talk only about the lore thing
mossy badge
:D
i think
maybe
@hollow shell what do you think, do you think it still counts as DM toggle?
hollow shell
This is fine yeah, I don't think there's anything wrong with this
hollow shell
It's a good suggestion
Unique challenge is inherently more interesting and fun than rng
violet dagger
hot zephyr
That might be the dumbest portion of the doc imaginable.
hollow shell
You dislike the Death config rule?
hot zephyr
100%
No part of the mod is perfect, config options allow players to create their own balance.
Especially when it comes to the RNG aspects of DM, and the unnecessary RNG based player-gating that just slows down game pacing.
"Want the interesting AI changes from Death Mode? Sure, but if you don't like some of the questionable at best design decisions introduced with DM, fuck you. You'll have to live with them!"
worthy lintel
At the same time, the Legendary Weps are balanced around the lottery factor
SHPC better be expensive as hell if they get soldable
cobalt pewter
If the sugg is implemented, I'm sure Legendaries will be rebalanced
Either way, on DM config
hot zephyr
Legendary weapons are a clunky mess and they desperately need a change.
worthy lintel
Honestly, and I'm gonna sound like a boomer for saying that
hot zephyr
"Challenge" weapons sound a lot more interesting than "lol grind the boss forever or get lucky"
worthy lintel
But DM darnkess is... ech
cobalt pewter
I like configs as much as the next door guy, but too much and it can create an unnecessary bloat, and you know how much prople would be annoyed by it
I definitely won't mind EoC lore nullifying darkness
In dmode
hot zephyr
Just let us disable environmental effects.. we already have lightning config, no?
cobalt pewter
I can't remember, but I think yes
hot zephyr
So not only is that "no DM configs" rule outdated, it's factually wrong.
cobalt pewter
If rover would humbly confirm
worthy lintel
Message is condescendant-style
hollow shell
It is indeed worded very bitchily
hot zephyr
It definitely sounds like an elitist wrote it lol
hollow shell
I apologize
worthy lintel
thats fine
hot zephyr
Nah it's fine
hot zephyr
You're the coolest dev
crude geode
~~we still have plans to clone you since you're good ~~
hot zephyr
Calamity 2022: All the devs have been replaced with Rover clones
cobalt pewter
@left ice ✅ is for the fact that the sugg is just delivered
hollow shell
I wrote the rule as a result of
a lot of people suggesting the enviro features to be toggleable after they were added
because they were used to Death just being boss stats
cobalt pewter
👍 is when it's approved and most likely will be implemented
heady storm
👍 does not guarantee implementation.
radiant meadow
There's no to do list.
cobalt pewter
Oof
hollow shell
Well
hot zephyr
I just think the environment features don't fit neatly into Calamity's difficulty progression
pine star
Oh
worthy lintel
bruh
hollow shell
there is a to-do list, Ben
left ice
Yeah, it doesn't guaruntee implementation. It's basically just a "we've seen it plus".
worthy lintel
radiant meadow
Okay well if you mean shit like Dr. Draedon
and the schedule
that doesn't count
hot zephyr
Draedon's Evil Incorporated
hollow shell
Ben did you not realize we made a new Trello
radiant meadow
uhhh
cobalt pewter
Doof is god
zenith hazel
this is also news to me tbf
cobalt pewter
Imma wait until my Pwnagehammer sugg got into voting before suggesting something for Murasama if it's allowed idk
worthy lintel
why wouldn't it be allowed
hollow shell
Hang on lemme just like announce it in dev I guess
It's existed for like 2 weeks but people may not have gotten the memo
left ice
The exact quote is "the suggestion has been delivered and reviewed by the devs, and was approved by them.
Note: This does not guarantee implementation, but it does improve the chances."
crude geode
(Did you mean "Night's Edge material" Feedzuh?)
hot zephyr
If I could toggle certain environmental effects I'd play DM a lot more. It's got enough AI changes now to stand out on it's own without the clunky environmental effects that just feel like Overhaul 0.5
cobalt pewter
Probably would involve a new attack
left ice
From pins. So basically, just a "we've seen this+" is what I get out of that, at least.
radiant meadow
That's basically what it is
hollow shell
anyway
When a suggestion gets delivered, its given 2 days to be voted on by the devs and testers with reactions
✅ ❎
and it's evaluated as being approved or rejected at the end of those 2 days
left ice
So the 👍 is just from being approved by the secondary poll, rather than actually guarunteed to be a planned implementation?
hollow shell
Yes.
radiant meadow
pretty much
hollow shell
We could make it so that suggestions are only reacted 👍 in this server after they're added to the official new to-do list, instead of at the end of the 2 day dev voting
but
that prolly wouldn't be great to have approved suggs and neutral reaction suggs to have the same visual in this server in the meantime
left ice
Could you use a different thumbs up emoji to function as a similar effect?
hollow shell
We could use a different new reaction for "officially planned"
in addition to thumbs up for normal approvals
worthy lintel
return of the star perhaps
hollow shell
But you'd have to change your sugg to indicate that
worthy lintel
this one's a classic
hot zephyr
That sounds pretty cool
left ice
Star is already for voting though, isn't it?
hollow shell
Ah yeah that's a good idea
Let's add a star to any suggs that're planned
worthy lintel
a better star
hollow shell
And no other suggs 
worthy lintel
a golden one
hollow shell
What
worthy lintel
wdym new
crude geode
what?
river glen
people are saying dukes new ai is already in
left ice
So wait, Rover, is that going to happen regardless or are you saying I should change the sugg to fit that?
cobalt pewter
🌟 use this for officially planned
hollow shell
I could do it right away if I wanted to but I'm wondering if it's good to have the vote
cobalt pewter
hollow shell
Nah it'll prolly be 📝 or something
cobalt pewter
Aw
left ice
Alright. I'll go ahead and change the sugg to fit that, then. Your sugg probably functions better than mine.
proper grail
Ouch
hollow shell
Sugg looks good Itchy
hot zephyr
The best Calamity suggestions are the ones that give more choice and freedoms to the player; things like config changes. The best Calamity discord suggestions are the ones where image rights are handed out more liberally
worthy lintel
Back when the sugg channel was a single, unorganized mess
Now that was a real limbo
But anyways
proper grail
I actually read back that far and it's rather horrific, honestly. The channel is well maintained now and it's so much cleaner and more straightforward
hot zephyr
I preferred the old two-channel system, but the three-channel system is also nice.
heady lichen
How would you guys feel if Determination Breaker was a toggle instead of an accessory? Just for convenience in nohits or challenges, so you don't have to cheat in accessory slots.
serene fox
oddly specific
also it's not that hard to cheat in acc slots
and it's perfectly legal
heady lichen
:terror:
proper grail
Well well well
cobalt pewter
whole sedge
zenith hazel
;)
sand umbra
I sense a disturbance in the force
hot zephyr
sand umbra
is that a DT Breaker rework I hear?
cobalt pewter
Mayhaps
heady storm
sand umbra
I think it is
I think it may be the fabled DT Breaker rework, ladies and gentlemen
either that or DT Breaker is dying, which I would also honestly be okay with
I doubt it but it's a possibility
heady storm
Rover what have you done. 
dapper coral
option A: sans udnretale dies
option B: sans udnretale 2
hot zephyr
sans deltarune
dapper coral
either way things are happening
hot zephyr
rover: it's not foreshadowing
demik: it's foreshadowing
chilly stratus
sans 2 electric boogaloo
hot zephyr
Defiled rework when
cobalt pewter
Don't expect anything to go well when a dev teased something within a mile from Thomas
hot zephyr
"don't suggest anything about determination breaker"
"here I go suggesting things about determination breaker again"
crude geode
Imagine if it was just rover messing with Thomas specifically
and literally nothing is happening with DT breaker
sturdy geyser
ashen warren
@heady storm
heady storm
@dusty cave copypastas in any form are not allowed in this server, I'm going to have to warn you for that.
dusty cave
rose jewel
What
ashen warren
bruh
heady storm
Dealt with, move on.
glass sentinel
@violet minnow you mean the right click right?
@ashen warren delete it before a mod comes
heady storm
Am I gonna have a streak?
glass sentinel
@violet minnow in addition, in regards to your plant sugg, people will just use this as more evidence that polter = plant. but yes, i get that plant needs more stuf in the fight
why am i not surprised, chetto
foggy plover
plant is getting changes next update
glass sentinel
mhm
violet minnow
I ment primary fire for the suggustion about that. Also i hate that people are like poler = plant and qb = pbg
glass sentinel
mhm
Make classless weapons target your summons
i still dont get it
wdym weapon targeting your summons
cobalt pewter
PBG is canonically a modified QB tho
dapper coral
lorewise it makes sense, gameplay wise it does not
violet minnow
what i mean by that is whatever enemy those weapons hit, that is targeted by your summons
cobalt pewter
So tag effect?
dry latch
why not just make them summon weapons at this point?
hearty yew
@hasty linden As the person who programmed the Rust & Dust GUIs (the second time at least), I gotta say, I like that idea but I have no clue how to do it.
hearty yew
I love the power of shift click in modded Minecraft but I don't know how to control it in Terraria, the way it works in vanilla is basically "is chest open? put in chest. is shop open? put in shop. otherwise, put in trash"
I don't know where that's decided or whether there's an easy way to control it. If there was a hook for it, I'd just say "is charger open and you clicked cells, stuff into charger instead"
cobalt pewter
Ohh
I was confused what you're talking about
So shift click cells or weapons into charging station?
hearty yew
Cells.
cobalt pewter
Ohh
river glen
its not that hard to just scroll the itemss there
cobalt pewter
Intuitiveness is a win
hollow shell
Indeed, but it is inconvenient and counterintuitive to other storage interfaces in the game.
dapper coral
i gotchu
cobalt pewter
dapper coral
boom
dapper coral
glass sentinel
@cobalt pewter you just love making things hard for the devs dont you
the sugg is awesome
but the poor devs
ashen warren
like super awesome
proper grail
That's a cool little gif. And yes, poor devs
glass sentinel
sad devs
cobalt pewter
I love to make things hard for myself too at times
glass sentinel
lole
glass sentinel
feedzuh, is it you or thunder who made the sexoblade?
proper grail
I'll give Ozz my sympathy if they're on
foggy plover
thunder
glass sentinel
ah
whole sedge
I love this so much but this sounds like suffering on dev end which makes it even better clearly
proper grail
I seriously can't stop watching that gif. This would be like the Slap Hand on steroids . . . with hilarious results to anything that survives
proper grail
Bring it on
ashen warren
yes
proper grail
I believe my suggestion can be moved to voting now
ashen warren
ye
cobalt pewter
@dapper coral
dapper coral
it me
proper grail
Lol
ashen warren
demik is lurking always i know
dapper coral
boom
proper grail
Thankee kindly
dapper coral
cobalt pewter
tawny garden
epic gif in a sugg very appropriate
cobalt pewter
smh
~~
crude geode
Does the murasama even need the ranged ability tbh?
glass sentinel
not really lol
crude geode
Yeah, tbh, if you want to throw your weapon play rogue
heady storm
It appears valid, so whatever to me. 
glass sentinel
fair
crude geode
Yeah
tawny garden
Player inflicted debuffs sugg is a bluecheck iirc
Thomas has sugged that one in the past
heady storm
tawny garden
...and now I can't find it 
Oh, it was I hate sand
can I just say that just copying a link to a message on mobile is extremely tedious and takes ages
or mb I'm an idiot and there's a faster way
cobalt pewter
Bru
crude geode
Still ok, right @heady storm ?
heady storm
Sounds cool to me, yeah.
My only concern would be balancing and stuff, but nonetheless your sugg is valid.
molten nova
Has travelling merchant spawning and/or force refreshing his shop been suggested to death already?
If so, is there a clear reason staff has given? Is there a clear workaround im not seeing? Or letting other mods fill that niche?
fossil finch
You can catch him using Fargo's mutant, skip day/night, free him, and check his shop and repeat
But idk if there's any other answer to your questions
ashen warren
ah nevermind he already suggested it
distant gyro
nymeh
ashen warren
🥶
distant gyro
not really a qol change
That implies that everyone gets draconic elixir though
- price isn't even mentioned here
distant gyro
it takes a yharon soul frag to craft an elixir which exhausts itself for every attempt you perish (if you alchnpc this through then lol)
ashen warren
aint yharon pretty easy to melt with weapons like ark of the cosmos though?
tawny garden
He kinda is
ashen warren
easy to farm I mean
tawny garden
But it still takes some effort
distant gyro
imagine you being the new player
craggy stratus
draconic elixir lasts for 6 minutes right
distant gyro
and you take 50 attempts
craggy stratus
that should be enough for scal
distant gyro
it dies if you trigger the revive
tawny garden
draconic elixir lasts for 6 minutes right
iirc it immediately vanishes
If you trigger it ye
distant gyro
so you might even need 2 for the fight to trigger GS + Silva
craggy stratus
i mean if you havent triggered it at all
ashen warren
well if youre a doing a nohit you dont need draconic elixir
distant gyro
if you're doing a nohit draconic elixir harms you tbh
craggy stratus
"Nobody likes it when their Draconic Surge expired" just wondering if the reasoning could be better at this spot
distant gyro
make draconic surge a debuff
tawny garden
distant gyro
only
dry latch
cries in summoner
ashen warren
maybe "expired" shouldn't even be there, let me remove that
dry latch
yeah. you could just as easily bind the quick buff button to something you click a lot like jump
ashen warren
but draconic elixir getting overridden by debuffs is still annoying
dry latch
but that applies to everything
craggy stratus
is there a priority in overriding buffs
ashen warren
- some temporary useless buffs from some accessories like astral bulwark that only last for about 5 seconds
fossil finch
Get Lan's unlimited buff slots
ashen warren
I think he meant rampart of deities
craggy stratus
but like ender said, the buff overriden can be bypassed by other mod
cobalt pewter
But making Draconic Surge a debuff is a good idea imo
craggy stratus
if it doesnt break calamity that is
cobalt pewter
Since it won't be overriden by actual debuffs
craggy stratus
since it is a debuff, classified it as alcohol
ashen warren
I think he meant rampart of deities
yeah
cobalt pewter
Wut
craggy stratus
there are random buffs like panic necklace in rampant
ashen warren
I got confused between astral bulwark and frigid bulwark just as I got confused with frigid bulwark and rampart of deities
I sugg something about removing those buffs from rampart before
its honestly mostly useless
well not mostly, factually useless in all scenarios
ashen warren
i guess that solves a problem lol
cobalt pewter
I wanna suggest smth regarding some of the buffs into a single buff (like stuff triggered on hit from Deific or Rampart)
But I'll need to pace myself
craggy stratus
alch lite combination buff
fossil finch
violet minnow
frick i accidently sent an unfinished suggustion in the thing
tawny garden
violet minnow
luckily i deleted it
violet minnow
it was like really unfinished, like only the title
violet minnow
are we allowed to use this formatting for suggustions?
not like the space but like the box stuff
wooden wedge
I think so but why?
tawny garden
ye
but don't wrap the whole sugg into that
violet minnow
cause then when i press entire it doesnt actually send, it just presses enter
ill probably write them like that and then remove it later
tawny garden
yes, do remove it later
wooden wedge
just press shift + enter
violet minnow
its fine ill just get good
edgy pagoda
about polter spawning own his own in death mode
he kinda already does that
if you defeat enough spirit
s
cobalt pewter
2 suggs should be sent to voting now btw
tawny garden
yeah, iirc it is really hard to change the vanilla worldgen
violet minnow
I wish i could look at the vinalla dungeon code
fossil finch
and learn redcode
violet minnow
that sounds complicated though and I would 100% screw over my game for eternity
tawny garden
nah
violet minnow
but i might just do it
fossil finch
reinstalling exists lmao
tawny garden
it doesn't do any damage
violet minnow
kinda forgot about that
ill leave the suggustion up and edit it once i look at the vinalla code
tawny garden
ILspy is the best program for that iirc
radiant meadow
That sounds a lot simpler than modifying dungeon world gen
@violet minnow Have you considered buying the walls and placing them yourself?
fringe cloak
or just make a new world
tawny garden
I always used Terraria Seed Project
cause shitty worldgen is shit
radiant meadow
I think increased world height used to cause Cal to crash with that
tawny garden
didn't for me
violet minnow
That sounds a lot simpler than modifying dungeon world gen
my current world has around 5000 dungeon walls, it would take hours for me to handplace everything
or just make a new world
Post plantera deathmode, dont wanna redo everything
I always used Terraria Seed Project
cause shitty worldgen is shit
Didn't know that existed
also i think they reshortened calamity worlds
radiant meadow
You don't need to hand place the entire dungeon
only a small section to farm for whatever you need
tawny garden
radiant meadow
Replacing the entire dungeon with a new wall type is obviously way too much but replacing the entire dungeon is also completely unnecessary
violet minnow
well you see im called stupid and forgot about that
hasty linden
doesnt polter only enrage on surface?
and you only need a "safe" area to psawn him?
violet minnow
probably also outside of the dungeon
violet minnow
I dont need a polter arena
my dungeon is fricking massive
i need dumb paladins to spawn
radiant meadow
then buy some brick walls, and replace the walls in a section of your dungeon
sand umbra
I was gonna say "don't Paladins spawn on all wall types"
then I did some investigative journalism to figure out if I was remembering right and it turns out that it's Bone Lee who has that universal chance
kinda cringe honestly
hollow shell
(All skeletons can spawn on all wall types, they're just more likely in front of some)
tawny garden
there is always a small chance of other Dungeon enemies spawning, and this chance is increased if a lucky player is present.
luck
sand umbra
byeah
I like to just say "they spawn on this wall type" to keep it simple
Dungeon spawn rates are wack
whole sedge
Dungeon is wack in general
tawny garden
sleek turret
spooky banner
mossy badge
need more stuffs and reasons
hollow shell
@quick relic It would help your argument if you explained why
tawny garden
fuck did I ping the wrong person
pine star
Yeah
tawny garden
sorry
tawny garden
quick relic
Void of Calamity is pointless
hollow shell
Here's the thing though
You can wear Emblems and Void of Calamity
tawny garden
(also Void has other minor stuff beside the damage buff so it's objectively better)
radiant meadow
(it still has the downside though)
hollow shell
Even if that one other minor thing is kinda pointless and weird
quick relic
Brimstone fireballs hardly do anything
unreal viper
Indeed.
tawny garden
yeah
hollow shell
(also, A Bad Joke, you should say in your suggestion what that penalty is, for anyone who doesn't know off the top of their heads. Spell it out that it's garbage)
unreal viper
Imo the cost is too high for something with only a small advantage over class emblem, avenger, and the rotted brain.
Amalgamated brain actually, but whatever.
tawny garden
I noticed actually that a good chunk of accessories in the mod (and in vanilla as well tbh) only exist in the mod to fulfill the high honor of being a crafting material
quick relic
^^
hollow shell
Indeed
hollow shell
(Everybody's born to die depending on how pessimistic you are)
hollow shell
and, byeah I think the biggest offenders of that are the HotE "stone" ingredients
Specifically Cryo and Chaos. Bloom has an attempt to go for cool things but they're just really weird, and Aero has kind of a purpose cuz it's really early game
solar kayak
Aero Stone is chad
hollow shell
Cryo Stone and Chaos Stone are just
nothing
dapper coral
isn't chaos stone the mage one? i thought that was gud
solar kayak
What do they do again?
dapper coral
cryo stone... does something that is probably useless
solar kayak
But that stage, there's so many better options anyway
whole sedge
(Chaos does something?)
radiant meadow
Cryo Stone gives some defensive boosts
solar kayak
So, maybe y’all could do something about that
radiant meadow
like dr
hollow shell
Chaos gives more mana, reduces mana usage, and a very minor increase to all damage
hollow shell
Cryo has 5% DR, 6 defense, and a very minor increase to all damage
... all of the HotE stones have a very minor increase to all damage, and I hate it
solar kayak
😴
hollow shell
Trade off that function for something that'll actually have an impact
cobalt pewter
Yes
imo the Elemental summons should be buffed at the exchange of removing stats
And the stones should focus on a single stat, but quite gud
Or do a unique thing for stones
Like
Bru
hollow shell
None of the elemental summoning accessories have stats.
Except for Rose Stone
for some reason
cobalt pewter
Oh huh
hollow shell
I do agree that they should focus on less stats though
hollow shell
and make it so the boosts to those stats are higher
(It is something that I am planning to technically already did program into the mod myself)
cobalt pewter
pog
solar kayak
But we'll still keep the stat increase if we disable the elemental summons? @cobalt pewter
radiant meadow
iirc the hote ingredients were somewhat thematically separated into 2 groups
tawny garden
Acessories that only exist to be a Crafting Material: Aero Stone, Harpy Ring, Radiant Ooze, Bloom Stone, Gehenna, Leviathan Ambergris, Toxic Heart, Void of Calamity, Starbuster Core, Statis' Blessing, The First Shadowflame, Wulfrum Battery, Coin of Deceit, Anechoic Plating, Craw Carapace, Cryo Stone, Chaos Stone, Bloom Stone, Rose Stone, Eye of the Storm, Pearl of Enthrallment, Rare Elemental in a Bottle, Elemental in a Bottle, Fungal Carapace, Giant Tortoise Shell, Honey Dew, Living Dew, Sea Shell, Abaddon, Alchemical Flask.
Disclaimers:
- The list may be incomplete, and it may contain duplicates.
- If I made a hot take, tell me.
radiant meadow
with Rose Stone being a part of both
Being the stat boosters and the elemental summons
dapper coral
aero stone is good because it's so early game that any boost helps i think
radiant meadow
and some of the stuff in that list has uses
dapper coral
statis' blessing is fine too iirc
radiant meadow
Anechoic Plating is good to equip if you find it in phm
Wulfrum Battery is fine for filler since it's super early game
dapper coral
honey dew is great
hollow shell
Some of them work fine on their own yeah but most get their whole identity from being part of a larger accessory
tawny garden
dapper coral
abaddon and alch flask are epic for debuff reduction
byeah most of those others are fodder
radiant meadow
That doesn't mean they should get shade thrown at them by being called solely a crafting material
because that's just wrong
cobalt pewter
Yeah I'd say Abaddon is recommended if you don't wanna be cucked by calclone
pine star
Yeah
fossil finch
alch flask is cool for pbg
Abaddon kinda pointless since it's after Brimmy but can help against clone
river glen
whats the topic rn
i feel like bosses that arent fun and people trying to make them fun usually isnt what the community wants
i dont know whats wrong with plantera
but it feels like many peoplle agree
hollow shell
You're right I also don't think that's what the community.
(I'm pointing out that your sentence is incomplete)
hollow shell
Is it what the community "needs", or.. "wants", or "does", or what?
river glen
its want
hollow shell
Okay cool thanks
river glen
i mustve missed it
sand umbra
@tawny garden you forgot to mention the evil flasks
...which I feel like I should make a sugg about actually
hollow shell
Completely overhauling Plantera isn't really something that's within our...
jurisdiction or ability.
unreal viper
Evil flasks huh.
I used them for funne facetank pt.
But the fact they only work in a certain biome generally limits their use.
sand umbra
evil flask defense is worthless and they only work within their respective evil
left ice
Oh, someone suggested plantera projectiles curve toward the player, but don't they already do that on higher difficulties?
sand umbra
their primary purpose is for Ambrosial Amp
hollow shell
@torn vortex osmosis
dapper coral
can you not put random things in #suggestions-posting thanks
torn vortex
thank you
river glen
i suggested that
hollow shell
Several channels at least
dapper coral
oh yep that's a warn then
hollow shell
aight anyway
sand umbra
osmosis is a pretty neat concept I think
but ANYWAY back to why evil flasks suck
sand umbra
and are also boring and should be reworked to be less boring
river glen
if they were passive it wouldve been much better
or maybe it inflicts ichor/cursed inferno in their respective biome
hollow shell
(Also I was gonna say "new effect: getting hit creates a microbe / ichor cloud that buffs your stats while you're in it but debuffs enemies while they're in it"
We could go with that but like we got a lotta on-hit effects)
hollow shell
And wouldn't jive with the rest of Ampoule's effects very well I think
sand umbra
pressing Y (or Insert Other Button Here) throws a copy of the flask, creating that microbe/ichor cloud where it lands
hollow shell
cuz like Ampoule's mostly composed of passive non-combat effects, though I guess that's also up for discussion
sand umbra
activated abilities are a sorely underexplored concept >:C
river glen
pressing Y will cause ichor to be shot when you hit an enemy just like the bladetoungue and shoots cursed inferno just like cursed flames
something
general idea
sand umbra
(and here's an out-there idea: you could even remove them from Ambrosial Amp entirely and make them early-game rogue weapons, with the aforementioned cloud being a stealth strike effect)
hollow shell
:( Then Ampoule loses flask-like ingredients and hurts theming
sand umbra
AAmp can use some change anyway it's part of the mega-acc cult
you could also make a new flask that does something similar to the current evil flasks but isn't stupidly situational
if you really wanna keep the flask theme thing
tawny garden
you forgot to mention the evil flasks
Well I did say that it's incomplete
But you right
hollow shell
(I do have an Ampoule rework planned but it does not involve changing the evil flasks, currently.. but it could)
sand umbra
(imo it should)
(evil flasks for rogue weps 2020...or whenever the Ampoule rework and those of its component accessories happen)
...fuck I'm thinking of Ampoule tree rework now
hollow shell
(alright now I've got something of an idea for evil flasks fitting in with the new Ampoule function)
pine star
sand umbra
I hate this
hollow sierra
@tawny garden rare elemental healing 20 every 2 seconds is pretty hefty so i wouldn't call it a filler accessory
sand umbra
I keep coming up with stuff to make things more interesting and then I have no way to actually push them ever
dapper coral
do people actually use rare elemental by itself though?
sand umbra
would it be alright if I mentioned them here at least so I don't go crazy from having to just sit on them forever
radiant meadow
I've heard the healing is really strong with a heartreach/cadance potion
tawny garden
would it be alright if I mentioned them here at least so I don't go crazy from having to just sit on them forever
Yeah
radiant meadow
It's possible people just don't use it because of the stigma that it's bad
hollow shell
... yeah sure Thomas I'll let you propose something here if it's not officially posted
Could be valuable ideas for listening devs
hollow sierra
sometimes, i think there's more context though
the people that could use the healing are likely less experienced, but less experience also probably means you don't know it exists in the first place
hollow shell
Kinda thinking in extremes here
hollow sierra
until you see how fancy heart of the elements is
hollow shell
There's a good overlap of people who would like the healing and know about Rare Elemental
It's not just "learned about Calamity yesterday" and "professional no-hitter"
unreal viper
Rare sans elemental is very good for healing.
hollow sierra
There's a good overlap of people who would like the healing and know about Rare Elemental
@hollow shell for sure, but there's also enough players to prove the contrary
hollow shell
What
hollow sierra
i've introduced a few people to the mod and whenever they get their hands on rare ele they keep up to polterghast
obviously upcrafting it to heart after lunatic
hollow shell
... and?
Are you just defending Rare not being a filler acc
cuz then like yeah fair enough
hollow sierra
yeah, that's what i was doing
hollow shell
Okay
hollow sierra
my point was its too obscure and difficult to get for the people that need it
hollow shell
And, that's the 'problem' that I have an issue with
The amount of people who like the healing and know about Rare is probably a lot larger than the amount of people who are so new to the mod that they don't know Rare exists
hollow sierra
but i would assume its only viewed as a filler by the veteran community because they don't need the healing, but they do need the stats from heart
hollow shell
Maybe
tawny garden
...people who are so new to the mod that they don't know Rare exists
To be fair
There is a lot of stuff which newcomers don't know about
Terraria is a game that throws you into the world without any prior knowledge and it refuses to tell you about stuff which exist in it
hollow sierra
unfortunately terraria is a wiki game
tawny garden
terraria is a wiki game
The best player is westgrass then, clearly
Wiki people joke
sand umbra
okay so I took a bit longer than I thought I would but re: Ambrosial Amp
Evil Flasks: completely change into early-game rogue bombs, stealth strikes create a microbe cloud whose coloration changes depending on the evil it's themed around, cloud buffs you and debuffs enemies, add some sorta new flask that does things if desired
Ancient Fossil ---> Archaic Powder: remove non-mining statistical buffs on Archaic, both grant a small chance to find treasures while mining (ores, gems, etc.) with Archaic having a higher chance
Radiant Ooze: emit light at all times, life regen changes depending on how bright it is in your current area
Living Dew ---> Honey Dew: flip theming around so that Honey Dew is the pre-Hardmode one and Living Dew is the Hardmode one, murder most stat buffs, Honey Dew gives 20% bee damage resist + prevents bees from inflicting debuffs and decreases the speed at which the Honey buff wears off, Living Dew gives Honey buff when entering water as well (for a much shorter time) and increases bee resist to 25%
Ampoule itself: stronger variants of all component effects as appropriate, potentially move to post-Plantera to give some actual separation from newly-adjusted Living Dew. if evil flasks are kept in recipe then microbe cloud becomes a spore/mist cloud on activated ability, buffs the player and procs Honey buff while debuffing enemies and dealing damage over time. additionally, unique effect where eating a food item grants the Honey buff for a short time and having Well Fed/Plenty Satisfied/Exquisitely Stuffed buffs most of the acc's effects slightly depending on which tier you have (ambrosia is a type of food. reflect this assertion in the acc's function. please.)
hollow sierra
What about the absorber
hollow shell
That's a different line
hollow sierra
oh wait, so it is
hollow shell
And uh yeah these ideas seem pretty neat
pine star
Yeah
hollow shell
Mostly interested in the Fossil & Archaic random drop one
pine star
The only thing Absorber and Ampoule have in common is Sponge
hollow shell
which unfortunately was done by Spirit first in the form of a pickaxe
but
we could still do it
Accentuating food items is a clever idea too
hollow sierra
aren't food tiers a 1.4 feature
hollow shell
They are
sand umbra
yes, they're a 1.4 feature, what does it matter 
Calamity's gonna need to make the jump eventually, whether you want it to or not
tawny garden
jump the shark
sand umbra
better to be accountin' for that now than to get caught without a plan later
and it's not a formal suggestion anyway so who cares if it accounts for 1.4 
hollow shell
How do we feel about Bad Joke's DoG sugg
#suggestions-posting message
Considering DoG's already getting buffed
sand umbra
uhhhhh
violet minnow
dont pass it through yet, wait until after the buff
sand umbra
how is DoG getting buffed, again
violet minnow
tell him to repost it after the buff if he still thinks dog is too weak
hollow shell
Yeah that would be wise
tawny garden
when is DoG buffed
hollow shell
(Brav didn't specify how it'd be buffed but I assume it's to do with being able to Luigi DoG
The devs know about that issue and some devs really hate Luigi-ing so, makes sense they'd crush that ASAP)
sand umbra
bruhhhh
hollow shell
.. is that a bad "bruh"?
hollow shell
@zenith hazel
tawny garden
...is DoG buffed next update?
cause otherwise I'd leave the sugg be
sand umbra
I need
information
violet minnow
probably makes it turn more agressivly at you in the first phase
instead of chilling at the top and bottom of your screen
zenith hazel
am I misremembering fab saying he’d buff DoG p1
violet minnow
it is my favorite time of day when the changelogs are updated
dapper coral
(hey was there anything up with the first sugg in posting rn before i put it in voting?)
hollow shell
I'll remove it for now
@quick relic Revisit DoG after the update drops. If it still sucks balls, then you can repost your sugg (preferably with edits to flesh it out more but that's just me):
Give DoG a speed buff and make it were you can't sit still without him biting you
He's a lot easier now than he was a year ago. He just isn't very hard unless you are playing on death.
I mean what happened to this guy? He used to be the hardest boss for most people but now he's just...
A pushover
Cuz DoG's getting changes next update which should hopefully fix that issue
For now I'll remove the sugg cuz, yeah
s'already planned to have somethin change
violet minnow
is areospec intentionally worse than sulfurous aurmor?
violet minnow
It might be fine though as sulfurous armor takes a good amount farming to get
and its a class specialized armor
hollow shell
Yeah. Doesn't quite align tier-wise but
I do think it's harder to get
zenith hazel
yea DoG p1 is getting changed a bit, fab confirmed in dev
dapper coral
it is harder to get but the tier difference is a bit large innit
like, 2-3 bosses worth?
but yes, then again it is specialized
violet minnow
yah 2
well 3 if you do crab after eoc
how in the world do you find suggustions which have 200 stars
tawny garden
there was a 350 star sugg once iirc
dapper coral
it was about icicle arrows lol
violet minnow
that must be painful
tawny garden
it was about icicle arrows lol
lol
dapper coral
(i remember because it was mine)
tawny garden
that means there were a few
byeah
OCD hit really strong when you pointed that out
tawny garden
👏
heavy urchin
So the chains would be the hitbox?
@cobalt pewter
the whole attack would be the hitbox, including the chains and the front part
hollow shell
Is that a joke suggestion
dapper coral
this feels like a joke
quick relic
Not really
hollow shell
If it isn't, you need to expand your reason a LOT more please
quick relic
I just think that they'd complete each other
heavy urchin
it would be cool
violet minnow
put stats or smth
heavy urchin
but discribe please
dapper coral
no, don't put stats
hollow shell
Nah don't do either of those things
sleek turret
uh
hollow shell
Big discouraged to put stats on suggestions
hollow shell
Kinda yeah
sleek turret
you can't just do a suggestion about adding something just for the sake og the reference
or, uh, idk, try to make a vanity set which kinda looks like a monkey?
quick relic
Reaver isn't that good in my opinion
hollow shell
Rogue's got plenty going for it
violet minnow
the titan aurmor or whatever
sleek turret
yeah, its like that
violet minnow
yah they did get that
heavy urchin
like the question is, how will stealth change the way thrower plays?
an idea is that the slower you move, the faster you gain stealth
that could be cool and change how you play
sleek turret
since molusk was slow and if you wanted to avoid the speed reduction you needed to use statigel
heavy urchin
we're not talking balance here, we're talking about how you play ut
sleek turret
yeah
heavy urchin
and can i have any screenshots of it being bettter than other classes? or videos?
sleek turret
I think they are all balanced in some way.
quick relic
Lionfish is really good
hollow shell
Ah yes the class should be judged by the unique post-game weapon
quick relic
The aerolite javelin is really good
sleek turret
yes
because they are made to be single target, and not multiple.
lionfish is for single target.
gray nebula
OO aa ooga boog a
hollow shell
(also with regards to your monkey sugg: Umbraphile exists)
sleek turret
iban returns to monke
dapper coral
iban pls
pine star
petition for a repeater that acts like xx5 dart monkey crossbow
craggy stratus
This looks like a meme sugg, the first half anyway
zenith hazel
gonna delete it regardless because there is no valid reason + it's a meme
heavy urchin
rip
fossil finch
How many times was this sugged again
fossil finch
Epic
quick relic
Terra disk is pointless