Blame Hideo Kojima 
#suggestions-discussion
robust lava
distant gyro
for one, it's buggy and it can attach onto anything like vile spits or squirrels
hot zephyr
But that's off topic
tawny garden
if you genuinely need a reason to remove the health bar there's plenty
A) it's weird
B) it's weird
C) it's weird
D) it's weird
E) it's weird
distant gyro
another, it's jumpy and awkward, lacks smooth animation, and overall unfitting
cobalt pewter
The style doesn't match the entire setting of Calamity itself also
distant gyro
tl;dr weird, weird, weird, buggy, buggy
sleek turret
G) uh, weird?
cobalt pewter
Since it's a direct reference to MGR, which is heavily sci-fi
distant gyro
and weird
cobalt pewter
Don't forget weird
unreal star
h) :weird:
cobalt pewter
distant gyro
fossil finch
just make custom healthbars for yabhb and tell everyone to install yabhb with clam
tawny garden
I've started a chain
sleek turret
congratulations
tawny garden
Also
A sugg to make the healthbar calamity style would be valid
But
I wouldn't count on it
mossy badge
something to make it look better would be nice
mossy badge
but just "rEmOvE"
pine star
distant gyro
too bad it won't be removed
cobalt pewter
At least go full on with the reference and use MGR's font 
fossil finch
rename revengance also while we are at it 
pine star
There is a config to remove it
cobalt pewter
mf
pine star
๐ข
pine star
rename revengeance to More Difficult
tawny garden
N O
pine star
craggy stratus
it isnt? tfw
fossil finch
pillars are bosses afaik
tawny garden
T H E S U N I S A D E A D L Y L A S E R
fossil finch
They are in the bestiary, boss cursor detects them
sleek turret
now there's a blanket Philo.
distant gyro
pillars are kinda bosses
craggy stratus
ah they are bosses, in terraria wiki
distant gyro
also known as event bosses
craggy stratus
calamity health bar doesnt detect them as bosses?
fossil finch
then it's a boss
tawny garden
Ah
distant gyro
and using difficulty items would kill you
fossil finch
then is not a boss, it's a big enemy
earnest raptor
Why my return caused such a havoc
tawny garden
It didn't
sleek turret
hmm, they are kinda confusing.
tawny garden
this channel is just weird
sleek turret
yes
craggy stratus
a boss that isnt counted as a boss
sleek turret
an event boss?
fossil finch
betsy moment
craggy stratus
i mean, betsy has calamity health bar on
fossil finch
event bosses aren't bosses tho
they are powerful enemies
Betsy is coded weirdly in this aspect
cobalt pewter
Betsy is technically a boss?
craggy stratus
i could say the same about jungle turtle
sleek turret
but wait, if betsy is considered as a boss, why pillars arent considered as a boss, they both are on an event.
cobalt pewter
ยฏ\_(ใ)_/ยฏ
craggy stratus
recode moment
sleek turret
redcode doin' the funny.
craggy stratus
isnt celestial event unique to other
you can kill unlimited enemies until you defeated the pillar
unlike goblin and pirate that has set amount of enemies
fossil finch
I think it does use that bars
craggy stratus
and solar eclipse only last for one daytime
fossil finch
They just don't show and don't progress if you don't kill pillars
Only pillars count for event progress
fossil finch
ig that's how they made it
robust lava
Betsy isn't a boss as far as I'm aware
fossil finch
she is one and not at the same time
robust lava
No, I believe she just isn't
fossil finch
check armageddon making her drop bags but not activating the no hit effect
robust lava
Armageddon just multiplies any bags drops, it doesn't check if the thing that dropped was a boss or not
But Armageddon's insta-death does check for a boss, and since Betsy isn't one, you don't get one shot
robust lava
What I'm saying is that code-wise she isn't
But this isn't really about any suggs now
pine star
Betsy is both a boss and not a boss due to redcode
cobalt pewter
Cultist:
tawny garden
Betsy is boss
@sturdy geyser nope
she doesn't have this.boss = true
and it defaults to false
robust lava
(This is what I was referring to, but I didn't know exactly how the code was set up ๐ )
tawny garden
(it defaults to false cause it's set to false for every npc higher up in the code and then overridden for each individual npc)
gusty carbon
honestly it's better that way. farming OOA sucks
heavy urchin
cursed being, you know that hybrids are super wack right?
just remove it
i heard cala has tons of old stuff they didn't bother to remove right?
tawny garden
just remove it
no
also dunno why that's in plural
[[Aether's Whisper]] is the only hybrid weapon in the game
red stormBOT
frail mantle
fab generally prefers reworking things over removing them yes
heavy urchin
good luck reworkig literally everything thats old
craggy stratus
that, is how rework works
cobalt pewter
Technically melee/rogue weapons are hybrids, just different execution
Or "were" since they'll be reworked
craggy stratus
improve upon old things to make it feels fresh
tawny garden
these are technically 2 different items
craggy stratus
i prefer aether type of hybrid
tawny garden
that function and look near identically
craggy stratus
rather than 2 same items with different type of damage
tawny garden
but Aether's Whisper is one item
cobalt pewter
Byeah, Aether's hybrid will also be removed
river glen
u srue
cobalt pewter
It's for 1.4.6
river glen
cute waifu
cobalt pewter
Which is funni alien cyborg update
heavy urchin
also
crafting trees are ew
also how is cala trying to progress into the state where all classes are differernt, not every class is ranger with extra steps except for true melee
heavy urchin
lets just say that true mlee isn't viable at some parts of the game
the other exception is summoner
pine star
Poggers
hollow shell
Has Ultima's donor been pinged
sturdy geyser
whats Ultima
hollow shell
Thank you Lemon Zest
sturdy geyser
you are welcome
hollow shell
@hasty goblet
Are you okay with Cursed Being's suggestion?
(Also, about what Ozz said about Aether's Whisper.
It... seems odd that he would say that? We did talk about getting rid of melee/rogue variants but from what I remember we were going to keep Aether's as-is.)
(Even considered making the variants into Whispers
Though this did not end up being the final plan)
clever raft
That mechanic could even apply to all boomerangs
sturdy geyser
its best to kill class variant weapons
class identity is an integral part of a class
hollow shell
We already have plans for those, probably will occur in the big robo man update
hollow shell
Oh hey Blueberry you still need to edit your suggestion
heavy urchin
to what
hollow shell
Scroll up to my last ping of you
heavy urchin
can't find it
hollow shell
I asked you above to change your top line to be more descriptive, and I gave you an example
And to change the Revolvenant comparisons to actually describe the attack, and maybe compare to Revolvenant afterwards
because many many people do not know how Revolvenant behaves
hollow shell
...
heady storm
And about the rest of what Rover requested you do?
hollow shell
You didn't change top line, actually.
hollow shell
I mean, you did compared to what it was before
yes
but I gave you that suggested change after you changed it to what it is now
hollow shell
(The top line I suggested would also serve the dual purpose of enforcing the importance of getting rid of chaotic projectiles, which is your reason for making the suggestion)
(One of them at least)
heavy urchin
my idea of bosses is that they should never continueously do 1 attack over and over again in the background aka mechs
hollow shell
Okay this is better Blueberry
heavy urchin
k
hollow shell
Suggestion gets contextualized well
heavy urchin
so does it get voted on or smth now
hollow shell
24 hours after suggs get posted in #suggestions-posting, they're moved into #suggestions-voting
hollow shell
(so they're given enough time for edits in posting before being finalized in voting)
It normally is, yes
heavy urchin
k
hollow shell
Current the bot is down so we're doing it manually tho
heavy urchin
rip
hasty goblet
@hollow shell Yeah sure go for it
cobalt pewter
Huh alr
The last time I seen a donor agreeing on a sugg about their weapon is with Caustic Staff, which I did suggest a while back
Either way
heavy urchin
wait wat
cobalt pewter
I'm not sure how the stance for Aether would be now
Since ozz said that and rover sent a different thing
hollow shell
@hearty yew What are Aether's Whisper plans
Was that thing you said about making it pure magic just... what you thought at that moment or is it a very solid plan?
Cuz you didn't mention it in Dev
(and @heady storm how's Blueberry's sugg look now? Fine to remove your exclamation?)
hollow shell
Epic
tawny garden
about Aether's Whisper
I would hate to see it become a pure-magic weapon
because it's unique
tranquil perch
just use yet another boss health bar smh
quick relic
The pattern is shit
tawny garden
just use yet another boss health bar smh
already been said several times
tranquil perch
flak toxicannon
please make weapons that require brain
already been said several times
expected
tbh
heavy urchin
fllak toxicannannon is literally clicker class 0.5
tranquil perch
no?
heavy urchin
thing that is on your cursor that deals damage
frail mantle
that's called a better Yoyo
heavy urchin
yoyo's are wack in the first place
quick relic
I got rid of the homing part
dapper coral
The Flak Toxicannon is a Hardmode ranged weapon that drops from Flak Crabs. When used, it fires sulphur cross blasts that explode after traveling a short distance or after contacting a block or enemy. When a sulphur cross explodes, it releases up to three acid rain droplets that damage enemies. Attempting to fire this weapon to the side or below will cause the Flak Toxicannon to not fire at all. Unlike most ranged weapons, the Flak Toxicannon does not require ammo to fire.
from the wiki
basically it only shoots upwards, and it splits a bunch
heavy urchin
also the projectiles splitting aprat from each other is the whole point of the dsign
why do you want to remove what little gimmick a lot of weapons have
its whole point is to have good/dps depending of distance
quick relic
The gimmick is what makes it shit
Functionality over creativity
They can still make it creative and have it reliable anyways
heavy urchin
the funcionality is relied on the distance, thats the whole gimmick
IMO that weapon is a step forward on HOW you play, not What it looks like
nuclear fury looks different but how you play it is identical to a lotta other weapons
except you dno't aim
tawny garden
how is the nuclear fury related to this
ashen warren
Used it as an example as a boring weapons.
heavy urchin
even bullet hell games have more interesting weapons
slow sphinx
Is it just me, or is post-moonlord dissable the natural boss spawns?
hollow shell
Which natural boss spawns?
slow sphinx
Sorry I forgot to clarify: Deathmode spawns (For me there are no Deathmode spawns anywhere)
hollow shell
It shouldn't disable them, Profaned Guardians and Dragonfolly have natural spawns in their respective biomes
slow sphinx
Hmm, I have to artificially spawn those in, and I would expect plantera/PBG to spawn in the underground jungle
hollow shell
If you've killed them once, they won't spawn naturally again.
This applies to all Death Mode boss spawns.
slow sphinx
Ahh, makes sense, though enraged plantera would, to me, see like a post-moonlord boss to me, idk, though I would like it if Death Mode spawns were more common
hearty yew
@hollow shell I'm doing it unless someone stops me, and yes it is what I thought at the moment and the first time I had considered it. Fuck ranger.
hollow shell
I would dislike that feature being removed from Aether's. s'one of the most unique things about it.
Without the hybridness, it's just post-ML Plasma Rod with more range
hearty yew
which is exactly what it is.
"does exactly the same thing for two classes but is objectively superior for ranger because they don't have to spend Mana"
it being multiclass is an Old Calamity thing. Nothing else behaves that way.
Uniqueness is not inherently good.
hollow shell
I disagree.
People remember Aether's because of how it's a hybrid. I don't want any changes to make something in the mod more forgettable.
hearty yew
so people remember it because it's gimmicky
what a difficult and annoying situation
you're absolutely right but I think Aether's unique ability is a downside
I think it's actively bad for the game
radiant meadow
I prefer Aether's remain the way it is
and I fixed the stupid sorting bug with it for that matter as well
hearty yew
Well I suppose it hasn't set a dangerous precedent yet
slow sphinx
@hearty yew I don't see whats bad about the ability, though I don't think I'm remembering the ability correctly
hollow shell
(Left click for Magic damage)
hearty yew
(yeah)
slow sphinx
O thanks
sleek turret
hmm yes, since Aether basically does, uh, lets say different type of damage, and also remains the projectile.
slow sphinx
Then shouldn't that be like the rogue/melee weapons where you click to swap them, or am I miss-remembering stuff again?
hearty yew
Though again hot take but I think aether's splitting bolts and the AMR line of "random extra bullets) are also super lame and don't feel strong.
Xander were removing all of those.
It's not calamity that has those swappable, that's Fargo's. In calamity they're separate items because they have to be (due to code reasons)
sleek turret
I think fargo's removed most of throwing variants of the weapons.
hearty yew
Ok so then
hollow shell
AMR is... really boring
hearty yew
At least we can agree that
Even if aethers is iconic
It needs work
And if we give it work I'd be more okay with it staying "The Magic/Ranged Hybrid Sniper"
because then it would be unique and actually a cool item
sleek turret
Yes.
hearty yew
right now it's unique and not a cool item at all
if it was cooler I'd excuse it being available to the brainless ranger masses
it bothers me that the item is equally powerful for ranged, objectively superior due to no resources consumed, but is originally a magic weapon
That's my main gripe about it being double class
I agree I hate ranger a little too much but in this case it's just unfair.
hasty linden
i dont like the new idea that was juts posted. it seems annoying to ahve weaklings spawn on you
or if you juyst kill a bos and it respawns right on you
worthy lintel
I mean, he IS right when he says the "Something is approaching..." is a bit underwhelming
Appears rarely and most peeps bail out
tawny garden
it bothers me that the item is equally powerful for ranged, objectively superior due to no resources consumed, but is originally a magic weapon
you could just nerf the ranger version
sleek turret
that would make sense
robust lava
That doesn't fix the "weapon is kinda uninteresting" issue
worthy lintel
Yea but if you nerf right-click you make this weapon worthless for rangers
Back to square 1
sleek turret
since if you use the weapon as a magic weapon for to long it may get out of mana, or even, decrease the damage if you have mana flower + mana potions due to mana sickness.
slow sphinx
@hasty linden Death Mode is supposed to be hard, and you already killed the boss, so you should be able to do it again
For the Aether, I can't say, since I don't play ranger
slow sphinx
This is death mode, not normal mode
worthy lintel
Might be a hot take, but the warning message upon boss random spawn kills the mood
slow sphinx
Not even revengance has this
worthy lintel
If it was howling noises instead
slow sphinx
I like the idea of boss going "boo" and suprise spawning on you, though I know many would dislike that quiet a lot
worthy lintel
you know Overhaul "evil blooming"?
sleek turret
It depends also on the biome.
slow sphinx
Not really
worthy lintel
kinda like that, and sorry if I'm off-topic
slow sphinx
Ok found it, though I see a lot of it parraleling to death mode already
But the "Something is approaching" message doesn't seem that
Also boss zen prevents the natural spawn of bosses right? (I mean the messages)
worthy lintel
technically bosses aren't supposed to spawn naturally if one is alive
slow sphinx
Right I forgot deathmode spawns
worthy lintel
though it can cause them to spawn right after the battle is over if the biome matches
once, i was fighting anahita, and 3 seconds later duke spawned
slow sphinx
Nice
Though that was in death mode, I would be fine if I found two old Astrum Deuses right after each other (They were the most annoying boss in the entire game, even more than SCAL)
Any more suggestions for the deathmode spawn suggestion?
worthy lintel
I would get rid of the "easier" aspect
Would encourage players to stall in hope of a random spawn
worthy lintel
Oh wait I read it fast, my bad, but there's still a problem
What if the player is crafting in his base and a boss spawns
And butchers all NPCs
slow sphinx
Ahh, makes sense
golden narwhal
Could disable it in towns (might already be a thing tbh)
golden narwhal
And, uh
Bosses spawning after a defeat isn't difficult (unless ofc you're only a few tiers past its point in progression), it's just disruptive
slow sphinx
@golden narwhal So, you should be able to take care of it quickly and without much problem. Also Death Mode
golden narwhal
Yes ... which is why I said it's just disruptive
left sparrow
@novel stone look at the post directly above yours
mossy badge
polter already spawns naturally no?
left sparrow
Wait nvm, I see what you mean
slow sphinx
Yes @novel stone does have a point
left sparrow
But he only spawns naturally when you kill a bunch of his baby boys
left sparrow
But itโs not the death mode natural, like how planty spawns naturally in dmode
golden narwhal
They meant via "something is approaching"
left sparrow
Yessir
craggy stratus
ravager spawning underground jungle sounds like a really bad idea
left sparrow
Itโs great I promise
slow sphinx
Yes ... which is why I said it's just disruptive
@golden narwhal and your saying the current "Something is Approaching" isn't?
mossy badge
ravager spawning underground jungle sounds like a really bad idea
@craggy stratus underground?
why underground?
why not surface jungle
golden narwhal
I was referring to the situation where they don't impose any difficulty at all, e.g. plant spawns post-provi
left sparrow
Iโd quite like the idea of dmode bosses spawning more often
mossy badge
or even surface in genreal
golden narwhal
Also, rav doesn't need to be restricted to jungle
left sparrow
I was referring to the situation where they don't impose any difficulty at all, e.g. plant spawns post-provi
@golden narwhal in this case, if it doesnโt matter then itโs free money
craggy stratus
player never touches surface jungle except for getting frog leg and beetle juice
Also, rav doesn't need to be restricted to jungle
this
slow sphinx
If you are post-prov, you, again, should be able to take care of it with ease
craggy stratus
post provi ravager is buffed
golden narwhal
(talking about death spawns, plant in particular)
craggy stratus
ah
slow sphinx
Post-prov, you should have like 40+ plat anyways
craggy stratus
isnt lore wise, you defeated the boss therefore it can no longer naturally spawn
left sparrow
I mean
Eye of Cthulhu isnโt just one eye
Thereโs multiple of those
Same could be applied with other bosses
golden narwhal
And EoC doesn't spawn naturally after it's been defeated (in vanilla)
left sparrow
Which is dumb
golden narwhal
...why
craggy stratus
this will just be a nuisance, bosses spawning naturally even after defeated
slow sphinx
Ravager is a construct of a necromancer right? Doesn't that mean Ravager should have like a "respawn" button or something (lore wise)
left sparrow
golden narwhal
What schad said
craggy stratus
yes, but with the player's magic, the ravager is defeated
craggy stratus
my point is, ravager is defeated
golden narwhal
"Free loot and money" doesn't matter when the loot is outdated and the money doesn't compare to other sources
slow sphinx
Ahh, but there is another
craggy stratus
"only encounter these spawns twice", you just have lucky rng
slow sphinx
No, I just move around alot
After getting the aerialite wings, I never had any problems not being able to zoom through biomes
craggy stratus
try move slower, then 5 is the bare minimum
fossil finch
That sugg is gonna either die or be epicly aproved in 3 seconds
I remember my death playtrough
DS Spawns while i waited for cnidrions weren't cool
tawny garden
24 hours
hollow shell
^
They're open to feedback during this period, with the day-long window for everybody to see the suggestion and comment on it before it gets finalized
slow sphinx
Thanks I forgot, guess I need to review the rules again
hollow shell
tbf the #suggestions-posting pin could be clearer about it, I'll edit it a bit
slow sphinx
I think it's just I haven't looked at that in quiet a bit
robust lava
Was that pin updated when the bot took over moving most of the posts?
hollow shell
Uh it shouldn't ever get deleted but I've got backups of it
I'll save this iteration too
opaque slate
I was about to suggest to bring back those crazy afterimage effect which was present on nearly every weapon about 7 months ago, but then i thought that there might be a reason why it was removed. Is it reasonsble to suggest a config option for these effects?
hollow shell
What effects are you talking about?
opaque slate
Weapon afterimages
hollow shell
Pretty sure they still exist
There's a config option to enable and disable all afterimages, maybe you just turned it off without realizing?
opaque slate
Yeah, i know. But it seems like it only applies to a handfull of weapons. I remember one of the devs talking about the addition of afterimages to the celestus. But i cant see them anymore, even with the option set to on
hollow shell
Odd. Code still exists in their files for afterimages
opaque slate
Bug?
hollow shell
I can see that the most recent wiki gif lacks them though
It might be a bug? Or it became dependant on another visual option like White vs Retro lighting
opaque slate
Well my options are set to high quality and color lightning
hollow shell
No idea, then
river glen
hmm
clever raft
Just curious, but what was the last suggestion to reach the 200 star threshold?
wooden wedge
you can scroll up in #suggestions-voting and see for yourself
(but it's this one #suggestions-voting message)
clever raft
Cool
hollow shell
Quite a few that are close, 180s and 170s
clever raft
Including one that's at 193
craggy stratus
so close, yet so far
radiant meadow
Not really removed intentionally
but more like afterimages bugged out for some reason and died on most weapons
But afterimages getting removed from most weapons is not intentional. Just don't know why they don't work and it's a bit of effort to try and fix them I think @opaque slate
hollow shell
How strange
hollow shell
@shrewd ruin Your suggestion needs to be formatted properly. Main idea needs to be at the top on a separate line (shift+enter), with the reasoning below.
Other than that I spose it's fine. We and other mods have always had trouble getting our music exactly equal to vanilla's music, may as well put that effort in the players instead if they have an issue with it :P
hollow idol
Sug can't be done because coding limitations
dapper coral
@solar kayak read the don'ts doc, this is literally impossible
because code is f*ck
mossy badge
cri
solar kayak
Uh, what?
dapper coral
it cannot be done
wooden wedge
this was rejected in the past because it's not possible to do
dapper coral
the clicks cannot be switched
mossy badge
:(
hollow idol
charging weapons/items can only have their charge feature as left click
solar kayak
Shame
wooden wedge
terraria's a great game aint it
mossy badge
lol
solar kayak
So you're not able to swap the functions. I.e make the beam right click, and pickaxe left click?
@dapper coral
cobalt pewter
Is it crystyl?
dapper coral
no
cobalt pewter
solar kayak
Fatal flaw
mossy badge
why does everyone hate crystyk
dapper coral
like i and multiple others have just said, it is literally impossible
mossy badge
also its not that bad
fossil finch
1 billionth crystyl click sugg
mossy badge
lol
mossy badge
wdym replace
solar kayak
And remake it
mossy badge
no i like it
wooden wedge
that's not how it works
mossy badge
many people like it
dapper coral
charging weapons/items can only have their charge feature as left click
@hollow idol
solar kayak
Wdym?
dapper coral
ah sorry YuH
wooden wedge
with the way the game is no matter what you do you just can't do that
solar kayak
Iโm saying in order to swap the functions
mossy badge
they arent gonna delete an item
dapper coral
byeah any charging items cannot do that
hollow idol
:Grab:
mossy badge
for one thing
dapper coral
they don't switch ever at all
solar kayak
Oh, so itโs a charging thing
wooden wedge
Iโm saying in order to swap the functions
yes and we're saying that it isn't possible
mossy badge
solar kayak
Yeah, and I was having trouble understanding what exactly that meant
solar kayak
"How?"
mossy badge
it isnt possible
dapper coral
anyway, we can move on from it now
mossy badge
ok
dapper coral
sugg is gone
solar kayak
Cause I thought they werenโt able to reprogram the weapon, so I thought just making a new item to replace it would work
mossy badge
ohh
solar kayak
It was only then that they explained that charge weapons can only be left click
dapper coral
mhm
solar kayak
Didnโt see YuH's comment
Couldn't you just remove the charge?
Or is it a "balancing" thing
or do all beams operate like this
dapper coral
at that point you'd have people complaining that they vaporized their houses because they were too used to having regular digging on the leftclick
perhaps there's some other code reasons that idk bout
solar kayak
hence you swap it so that the beam is right click
removing the charge should solve the problem
unless I'm missing something
wooden wedge
again with the way the actual game is coded it's not possible to have the funtions swapped
solar kayak
I thought that was only because it was a charge attack
wooden wedge
or well, I don;t mean swapped but I mean having one of the funtions on the other click
I forgot which one it was
solar kayak
So I'm getting just the intrinsic nature of the attack is unfixable
it being both charged and a beam
dapper coral
basically, yeah
solar kayak
ok
radiant meadow
It's not only charged but it's channeled and held
hollow shell
Removing the charge would not solve the problem, yeah
The beam itself is a click-and-hold function and therefore can't work on right click
Before it was a beam, it shot out explosive projectiles rapidly
Because that's a repeated action, a bunch of separate things happening in succession, that can be on right click
Single continuous things don't work on right-click
serene fox
what was the problem with the previous right click?
hollow shell
Right-click is the button you use to open doors and talk to NPCs.
in your house
that you spent a playthrough building
whole sedge
Npc go boom boom
serene fox
mm
hollow shell
s'not the best idea to make the "Instant Mega Nuke" button also be right click for your main tool
Wanted to make it charge up with a big sound so you know what you're doing, unlikely to accidentally ruin everything
but, couldn't have charge up on right click
so, we had to flip em
glass sentinel
what item is this?
violet dagger
Crystyl
glass sentinel
ahhhh
violet dagger
I hope tml can fix that redcode
hollow shell
Now the only downside is that Crystyl's pick speed is slower than intended, slower than Blossom even, even though the use time is coded to be faster than it
Because right-clicks are programmed so so well
but, it works
violet dagger
Since they're recoding a lot of stuff for 1.4
glass sentinel
i mean it charges and there's a sound
the old right click looked cooler but was even worse
radiant meadow
I'm fairly sure crusher being slower than blossom pick was fixed
hollow shell
Has it? If so, awesome
glass sentinel
i think it was
radiant meadow
useanimation go nyooooom
wooden wedge
wasn;t it fixed a long time ago?
glass sentinel
nup
hollow shell
Last time I heard about this issue it wasn't fixed
radiant meadow
it's been fixed for a good while now
hollow shell
Glad it got fixed between then and now tho
glass sentinel
oh nvm then
radiant meadow
I think
glass sentinel
sigh
wooden wedge
wrong channel?
hollow shell
Well that's expected
glass sentinel
is it faster?
violet dagger
No with crystyl
glass sentinel
with the beam?
violet dagger
Probably
hollow shell
Yeah the beam is faster than mining directly, lol
violet dagger
But beam is a lot harder to control
hollow shell
Obliteration
violet dagger
Which is why I usually bring a spare blossom with me
Not like I use it for much tho
whole sedge
Why use veinminer when you can just annihilate everything in your path 
hollow shell
byeah it's right at the end anyway, nothing much to veinmine
glass sentinel
yea
hollow shell
Lorax we're talkin about veinminer specifically now
hollow shell
Oh are you testing
glass sentinel
yup
so the animation is ridiculously fast, but for some reason blossum mines faster
Lorax we're talkin about veinminer specifically now
ah
radiant meadow
I got an idea
glass sentinel
i was talking about blossum being faster
unreal star
why we talkin bout pickaxes
glass sentinel
just 2
hollow shell
Crystyl's got a muhfuggin useTime and useAnimation of 2
which, funnily enough, is the same as P90
Blossom has a useAnimation of 10 and a useTime of 5 (so two block breaks per swing, and it should be slower than Crystyl but still very fast)
glass sentinel
also you know the glitch where crystal refuses to beam the blocks just in front of it?
hollow shell
Yes
glass sentinel
can that be fixed
hollow shell
(also Dedede someone made a sugg about it that got deleted)
glass sentinel
hm
unreal star
oh cool
hollow shell
And uhh if we knew how to fix it then it woulda been fixed by now
It's a weird-ass issue
hollow shell
mmmwait are we talking about the same issue?
glass sentinel
are we?
hollow shell
I'm thinkin of the one where the beam sometimes gets "stuck" on blocks and like, slides in front of them instead of obliterating them
glass sentinel
im talking about crystal's beam not being able to destroy the blocks right next to it
nup
it just cant destroy the blocks right next to it
hollow shell
That could just be a result of the beam spawning at the end of the pickaxe yeah
glass sentinel
ahhhh
oki
im doing a test with proper light now
and that seems to be the case
hollow shell
oki
glass sentinel
oki den
river glen
yeah
crystal crusher
cant destroy 1 block directly in front of it
it might just be how the laser is positioned
hot zephyr
IMO Classless weapons aren't interesting
They don't fit neatly with the rest of the weapons.
hot zephyr
I think that classless weapons should be reworked into class weapons tbh
cobalt pewter
Unless you're summoner, then classless is your only way to have active gameplay
cobalt pewter
You want me to suggest that or na?
Either way yeah
If you want active summoner gameplay, whips
manic gorge
rose jewel
The crystal beam not mining directly in front of the player is caused by it starting 1-2 blocks in front of the player
hearty yew
the real suggestion y'all gotta make is god slayer pickaxe
if you want this fixed so badly lol
glass sentinel
is it OP?
cobalt pewter
hearty yew
uh
glass sentinel
ik its a joke
glass sentinel
ik
hearty yew
You can't suggest specific items
BUT you can say "Add cosmic tier tools as the thematic ultimate tools of calamity (except crusher)"
pretty sure that's allowed
crusher is a weird dev item anyway
cobalt pewter
ยฏ\_(ใ)_/ยฏ
glass sentinel
more like 'Best Behavior- ON'
ashen warren
yo its time for another sugg to be posted
heady storm
Oki.
proper grail
I think it might actually be worth it to just take Ozz's words and use them
Like
I hate not having a god tier hammer for my builds
Hamaxe probably
glass sentinel
grax is decent
proper grail
It must be faster
glass sentinel
fair
proper grail
If I can clear out land at the speed of light with the CC
I want to clear walls out just as fast
glass sentinel
bombs
dry latch
post ml bomb that can clear out biomes
whole sedge
floating post-ml bomb
ashen warren
:fear:
proper grail
I honestly just want a fast af hammer to get rid of walls. I'm a terraformer/builder and this is personal.
dry latch
dcu?
foggy plover
astral hamaxe is pretty damn good iirc
proper grail
I've used that and it's not fast enough. Same with the volt crasher
hollow shell
Grax is the best hamaxe currently
dry latch
post ml dcu upgrade that uses the calam bars?
hollow shell
Oh yo I didn't know Hydraulic actually had a higher hammer power and equal-ish speed to Grax
Dunno if 230% power means anything compared to 200% power tho
Grax got bigger range so, prolly should still just use that
sleek turret
yeah
proper grail
I use the HVC ATM and it's really far too slow
Range doesn't matter
Sheer speed is the most important thing
sleek turret
and also Hydraulic isn't affected by things like, uh, Home Improvement from LuiAFK
proper grail
I'm probably going to suggest near exactly what Ozz said
and also Hydraulic isn't affected by things like, uh, Home Improvement from LuiAFK
Ooof, I didn't realize that, I play mod-minimal
sleek turret
yeah, in terms of power use Hydraulic, at all for walls use Grax since its affected by Home Improvement.
the only thing that affects Hydraulic with Home Improvement is its range.
proper grail
Suggestion up.
hollow shell
Looks aight
Some people might get uppity about how the tier/materials of this thing is going to work
considering you're comparing it to Crystyl which is a Shadowspec dev tier item
proper grail
Well I specifically left the tier out
hollow shell
Yeah I think it can pass as-is
proper grail
Just a designated ultimate hammer. That's for the devs to decide
dry latch
won't crystyl get moved eventually tho? might be weird making an equivalent for it now
hollow shell
s'not asking for it to be Shadowspec explicitly nor dedicated to a dev or whatever
just a hammer that's better than Grax & Hydraulic
"eventually moved" as in
like
2 years from now when Yharim comes out? Yes
proper grail
In this case it's best to leave things intentionally vague.
It can be moved, it can be any tier, I don't care
I just want AN ultimate hammer
I don't care when, where, or how you get it
glass sentinel
2 years from now when Yharim comes out? Yes
confirmed
tawny garden
Oh god
Rover is leaking classified information
ashen warren
ashen warren
About the Polter having an attack with its grappling hooks I had this idea of it having a fix circle-ish shape to the ends that would make a sweeping attack.
It's probably too complicated though
What am i looking at?
Polter is that grey center and the gray lines are the hooks
paint
cobalt pewter
So the chains would be the hitbox?
Because otherwise I don't see the attack working
ashen warren
Fair enough
ashen warren
This was more so to add to the suggestion in #suggestions-voting
ashen warren
๐
cobalt pewter
GWnekomakiWaveBOYE is what I often used in this server, which was a global
I might need to detail the global part
ashen warren
exist tho but is a good suggestion nonrtheless
cobalt pewter
The first one is global, and the 2nd is a bland default
hollow sierra
1% is the standard drop rate for all the debuff items
not sure if defiled rune changes it
ashen warren
i see
hollow sierra
it looks like it affects bezoar and nazar
tawny garden
This sugg feels specific
hollow sierra
maybe i just hate crimulan slimes with a passion
tawny garden
The bit about the base drop rate should be removed
ashen warren
yes
tawny garden
(Per suggestion rules)
ashen warren
also the would be affected by defiled rune part too?
hollow sierra
Gotcha
ashen warren
hollow sierra
because they inflict the debuff
its normal for mobs that inflict a debuff with an immunity item to drop that item
hollow sierra
Kay
granite yacht
can't you get megaphones in death mode anyway (in pre hardmode)
so that already kind of "breaks" the rule
ashen warren
m
hollow sierra
Is there a reason for the first minion slot on summoning proficiency unlocking at 6 instead of 5?
In relation to the pre-hardmode soft cap being 5
robust lava
The reason is balance I believe
hollow sierra
It just doesn't line up with being able to get the second slot before moonlord
But i suppose summoning pre-hardmode is really difficult to balance
tawny garden
The reason is balance I believe
Yes
river glen
what did i say
ashen warren
it gives more incense
river glen
shit
whats the word
thats lik
"wanting to do it instead of that"
i will just reword it lmao
frail mantle
incentive?
violet minnow
violet minnow
they slowed down the gas clouds and then changed a couple other things, so it can still be circled, it just needs to be abig circle
river glen
hm
interesting
was thinking of u know how certain bosses in eternity mode create like a box
i was thinking something similar for plantera
but instead it should enrage when u are to far away
or have something
river glen
LMAO
ashen warren
I think i t would be interesting if plantera has homing projectiles similar to the aquatic scourge
cause you can no hit her by just moving in circles
crystal iron
Isn't it like really easy to avoid homing projectiles tho
In my opinion random slow-ish attakcs would help solve the problem
Cuz then circlong would be a risky tactic
violet minnow
@ashen warren scroll up a bit, to a screen clipping i sent a bit ago
fabsol doesnt want plant to aim projectiles, and having them track like aquatic scourge would be way worse
ashen warren
I cant find whatever youre asking me to find
violet minnow
ashen warren
the way you put it is like having plant to have brimmys lasers and I do agree that brimmy laser is awful
mainly because its too easy to dodge and leaves quite an extensive opening for you to attack without worrying about anything else
violet minnow
what i ment there was not the laser, but have the seeds try to peredict where you are going, similar to the laser
frail mantle
think OD's dashes except for Plantera's seeds
violet minnow
yah, possibly
earnest raptor
I think i t would be interesting if plantera has homing projectiles similar to the aquatic scourge
@ashen warren she had at some point.
It was awful.
ashen warren
oh you mean predict?
ashen warren
was it too much of a bullet hell or something
earnest raptor
Something like that.
cobalt pewter
Just a drift like skeletron's vanilla projectile would be ight imo
earnest raptor
You were needed to circle non-stop, otherwise guntera will ruin your no-hit.
Yes, homing petals with speed of chain gun.
AND THEY PIERCE BLOCKS
hollow idol
It does work on platforms now
dapper coral
"insert title",
@river glen is there a reason you have this at the beginning of your sugg?
tawny garden
sample text
dapper coral
tawny garden
hm, you could just...
not repeat the title
and start your description with "I want to do this because..."
violet minnow
After re reading Latias thing i actually think i shouldnt have been so harsh earlier
having them curve instead of aim/track doesnt sound too bad
tawny garden
did you repost this or smth?
clever raft
About debuff items being hardmode only-ish
I also have a bandage and a megaphone in my pre-hm calamity world
violet minnow
did you repost this or smth?
who me?
tawny garden
ye
violet minnow
i wrote a very similar idea in this channel a week or so ago
trashed it and then just rewrote the entire thing just now
violet minnow
no, in this channel
tawny garden
ahh
violet minnow
probably this
clever raft
About debuff items being hardmode only-ish
I also have a bandage and a megaphone in my pre-hm calamity world
huh.
I think calamity added specifically these two pre-hm because it's specifically the thing they pair with that are already in vanilla.
You can make the medicated bandage and the countercurse mantra pre-hm, but no components of the other 3 ankh charm accessories
Why would rev mode have it easier than normal?
violet minnow
Why would rev mode have it easier than normal?
wut
clever raft
"A stream of seeds in all 8 directions (could be 4 directions for rev mode)"
violet minnow
i ment 8 in death 4 in rev
tawny garden
ah
clever raft
Ah. I had no way of knowing that.
tawny garden
ye
violet minnow
forgot normal and expert existed
tawny garden
your default should be rev
violet minnow
yah, it is now
clever raft
Even so
rev should be default, and death mode should be the one specified
violet minnow
ive started writing so that rev is defult and death is specified
hollow shell
@river glen Wouldn't making the shots home only encourage players to try avoiding them entirely via circling, considering trying to dodge each one would be a lot harder if they home slightly?
river glen
i meant
if they go to far away via that
the shots can curve
like polterghast projectiles curve
hollow shell
You didn't say that in your suggestion.
hollow shell
ok
river glen
hwo does it look rn
ashen warren
Yes, homing petals with speed of chain gun.
@earnest raptor what the hell, the speed should be nerfed then
if they were to home
ashen warren
damn
speaking of homing projectiles
does anyone have an accurate hitbox for dragonfollys homing feather dart thingies
hollow shell
Okay that's better Hyd
river glen
guess those english classes were worth it lmao
golden narwhal
Didn't fab already did the do regarding p1?
mossy badge
am i allowed to ping rover?
quick relic
Both phases are push overs
mossy badge
or will i get muted
golden narwhal
You're allowed if it's not a bad reason
(you're also allowed if it is a bad reason but yes)
tawny garden
(you're also allowed if it is a bad reason but yes)
uhh
frail mantle
Donโt be afraid to ping mods/devs if itโs for a serious and valid reason
quick relic
Forgot the space
hollow shell
Well, you need at least one Shift+Enter in there
Usually people go with two tho
one
line break
two
line breaks
mossy badge
hollow shell
both work fine
mossy badge
EXPLAAAAIN
mossy badge
oh
whole sedge
yeah
tawny garden
((you don't even need one but shh))
((unless Amber coded badly))
hollow shell
What
tawny garden
well
wooden wedge
you only need one line break
or well until amber comes back you technically don't need any
tawny garden
usually the bot is alive
if you don't make a line break, the whole sugg will be a title
hollow shell
I can't remember if there's been a post-bot suggestion which was only one line
prolly because we wouldn't let that happen
wooden wedge
kill
tawny garden
am I annoying
hollow shell
Only a bit.
zenith hazel
well DoG p1 gets a buff next update
and if necessary we can just buff him again and again until people feel like it's too unfair
circle of life
hollow shell
@quick relic
quick relic
Hi
zenith hazel
also the whole DoG being a pushover is subjective
tawny garden
circle of life
that's kinda
it's too easy for some and too difficult for others
hollow shell
We do know about the current fight being easy
We definitely definitely know about it
quick relic
If your bad then he's hard
zenith hazel
and not everyone in this community is good
so we should still take that into consideration
quick relic
Can we just be real?
hollow shell
(because somebody made a video which was set up as an overall opinion of the mod and then proceeded to use the current DoG from the most recent update as a point of argument for 20% of the video)
quick relic
Who plays on normal mode?
violet minnow
casuals play on normal, people who just want to have fun
zenith hazel
if they want to have a more laid back experience then they can play normal
noble turret
you literally only need a mouse for bosses in normal mode