suggestions-discussion

[ashen warren]

so just wait for tmodloader 1.4 i guess

[pulsar imp]

I guess I will wait for that

[cobalt pewter]

you don't fight bosses in underwater
Nohitters:

[serene fox]

byea

[heady storm]

Literally nohitters right there lmfao.

[serene fox]

the aegis/valor line is already powerful enough as is

[distant gyro]

Begone TEdit/Cheat Sheet paint tool users

[serene fox]

I don't think they really need a flat 10% dr buff

[cobalt pewter]

Yeah aegises are stronk

The charge is stupidly powerful vs Yharon

[distant gyro]

also bold to assume someone wouldn't use that

[cobalt pewter]

You can even get rage charge by abusing the iframes into Yharon

[distant gyro]

you see, it has tank benefits

guess who has water in their tankzones

[daring hare]

I don't think they really need a flat 10% dr buff
Or it could work when it's raining too

like the fishron mount in 1.4

[ashen warren]

eh 10% DR would be softcapped so i dont think it would make much of a difference

if it does then reduce the DR

[tawny garden]

@exotic stag in your sugg it's probably better to say "Calamity only has 1 drill" instead of "we only have 9 drills in the entire game", and you should have better reasoning

[hollow shell]

It would indeed make more sense to compare Calamity's amount of drills to vanilla

considering you're suggesting for Calamity, and Calamity itself has a notable lack of drills, compared to vanilla

[exotic stag]

Alright.

(I was wondering why i got a ping lol)

There we go

[tawny garden]

should prolly change "we" to "vanilla"

[near shuttle]

@crystal iron you should probably use word, "u" instead of "you" just seems really.. nonchalant and lazy, in general, its not a good idea to use abbreviation when you are trying to look serious.

[hollow shell]

That's not his suggestion

@crystal iron

[near shuttle]

ho yeah, I'm dumb.

sorry Demik.

[tawny garden]

the dark times of the server

no bots

[hollow shell]

mmm

It's been uhh

10 days now

[tawny garden]

[near shuttle]

10 days of suffering..

[whole sedge]

make sure to appreciate the bots as much as possible when they return

[dapper coral]

lol no worries

[river glen]

@worthy lintel she can be summoned as soon u go to hardmode, since u meet criteria it spawns

[tawny garden]

holy fuck

that is a big sugg

[tranquil perch]

wall of text, yes

[tawny garden]

it's fine

[tranquil perch]

tldr: add more classless weapons that dont use rare ammo

[worthy lintel]

or just make classless ammo craftable because we can

[tawny garden]

hm, iirc there aren't any post-moon lord ones

[worthy lintel]

its already hard capped by usage

[tranquil perch]

funny how i can easily create a text like that talking about calamity but when i gotta create an essay for tests i just fucking cant

[tawny garden]

that's because on tests they make you write stuff that you have no interest in

anyway

[river glen]

because u can write a lot about something u love

rather than shit

[tranquil perch]

well yes

[worthy lintel]

or you can just get lazy and not write anything

[tawny garden]

The marked magun is also only available once you beat the EoW or BoC, as it requires hellstone bars to craft(assuming you just dont get reaver shark and yeet progression out of the window)
imo this bit is unnecessary

[tranquil perch]

which part

the joke part?

i can just delete it you know

[worthy lintel]

the sugg itself is fine

but

you know, reaver shark exists

[tranquil perch]

i wonder if calam is gonna buff shark on 1.4

[tawny garden]

nah

although calamity does have non-linearity

[tranquil perch]

yea, non linearity is cool but like

pre boss hellstone is not ok

[worthy lintel]

molten armor on king slime

[tranquil perch]

molten fury desert scourge

with jester arrows

[unreal star]

hellwing bow against green slime

[tranquil perch]

hellwng needs shadow key

[worthy lintel]

it does though

[tranquil perch]

well i mean, you can get it pre boss

[worthy lintel]

no?

[swift fulcrum]

scarlet devil against your mom

[tranquil perch]

well i mean, you can get it pre boss
if u respawn cheese dungeon

scarlet devil against your mom

[tawny garden]

alright we can stop now

[radiant meadow]

Let's do try to keep this a little more relevant to the actual suggestion

[tranquil perch]

yea ur right

[worthy lintel]

isnt hellwing already locked behind shadow key though

[sand umbra]

as much as I'd love to place bets on a Reaver Shark re-buff in 1.4 Calamity
this isn't relevant to the sugg, ye

[worthy lintel]

like, its way too hard to get it reliably

[tranquil perch]

ahem lets not go offtopic too much

[worthy lintel]

tbh classless weapons are in a weird spot

they feel more like summon weapons that don't trigger penalty

[sand umbra]

classless weapons exist to give summoner something to do

[lime coral]

ahem You must speak like a king in order to say such things.

[sand umbra]

they're tiptoeing around the issue of summoner being mind-numbingly boring (because there's nothing active about the class by design as of current)

by making "classless" weapons that are actually much less valuable to any non-summoner class

[whole sedge]

(Except borealis bomber to an extent but fuck borealis bomber)

[tranquil perch]

by making "classless" weapons that are actually much less valuable to any non-summoner class
@sand umbra debuff tho

marked op

(Except borealis bomber to an extent but fuck borealis bomber)
~~ i wish there were more weapos like that as well ~~

[sand umbra]

(Except borealis bomber to an extent but fuck borealis bomber)
you don't seem to like the wep yet Borealis Bomber is legitimately more interesting than most of Calamity's classless weps combined

the only weps that can compete in terms of player engagement and interest are, ironically, both patron weapons (and also Relic of Deliverance but nobody uses it)

[whole sedge]

I very much do like the weapon but this is classless discussion

[sand umbra]

those being Aestheticus and Yanmei's Knife

[tranquil perch]

oh right yanmei's knife exists

[golden narwhal]

This sugg feels unnecessarily lengthy

[sand umbra]

all of the other classless weapons either can't be used for long enough to sustain player interest (RE trio) or aren't useful enough to justify giving up other active options for them (MMagnum, Lunic Eye, sorta Golden Gun)

[tranquil perch]

yes

also that

[sand umbra]

it's not a problem of "more classless weapons are needed"

it's a problem of "classless weapons are inherently more limiting design-wise than class-based equipment"

because you can't use a certain class gimmick or it's just a wep for that class without that class' damage type

now, this is not to say that classless weapons need to be boring

[golden narwhal]

Tbh, could shorten the bottom area to just "add classless weapons that inflict debuffs to the tiers that don't currently have them" rather than giving an idea for each tier (some examples could stay to give a general idea of what you're asking for)

[sand umbra]

e.g. Yanmei's Knife and Relic of Deliverance are both pretty damn interesting despite their classless distinction

anywho

enough rambling from me about classless stuff

this sugg feels. unnecessarily long

[golden narwhal]

Yes

[sand umbra]

and that's coming from the dude that literally wrote a miniature thesis on the subject of nerfin' a pre-boss axe

[tawny garden]

you gotta defend that thesis

[sand umbra]

it's a nerf sugg

[tawny garden]

PhD of sugging

[sand umbra]

I gotta give 'em the stats

nerf suggs never get through if you don't have a PhD in theoretical science to back 'em up

[craggy stratus]

arent the profaned nugget's drop kinda, classless?

[tawny garden]

[golden narwhal]

One is defo a weapon

The other two are kinda just utility

[craggy stratus]

ah

[sand umbra]

Relic of Deliverance is a classless wep and it's honestly pretty neat

[craggy stratus]

also is the second half of the last paragraph even necessary

[sand umbra]

so neat, in fact, that I forgot it wasn't a melee weapon

[craggy stratus]

use deliverance only for DoG

[golden narwhal]

@tranquil perch incude relic of deliverance and yanmei knife in the sugg

And, uh, sugg is also long, so

Tbh, could shorten the bottom area to just "add classless weapons that inflict debuffs to the tiers that don't currently have them" rather than giving an idea for each tier (some examples could stay to give a general idea of what you're asking for)

Might also need to specify title to "debuff-inflicting" classless weapons, since that seems to be what's being asked

[tranquil perch]

not necesarilly debuff inflicting but ig that also fits

[river glen]

deliverance is good for signus to

and weaver

[exotic stag]

The only classless weapon i've used was golden gun and it was awful to use..

[river glen]

the ones i have used is golden gun, lunic eye, and yanamei knife

[clever raft]

About removing stealth's entire description from all rogue armours
I feel like it'd make sense if the description appears when you click on the stealth bar at the top of the screen

[hollow shell]

@tranquil perch You don't need all those specific proposals down at the bottom

[tranquil perch]

ok

[hollow shell]

You can reduce it to a few possibilities I guess
but you don't need to describe how the CI Golden Gun variant will fire its projectiles
You don't need to say that the weps will be Post-Mechs, Post-Aureus, Post-Deus, and Post-Prov/Polter

etc

[tranquil perch]

yea, good point, i guess it was uncessary

k

edited

[hollow shell]

That's better 👍

[flint fable]

i had no idea ravager had leg sparks

[hollow shell]

Exactly

[glass sentinel]

@ashen warren uhh, 10% dr is kinda OP

[heady storm]

That doesn't really stop them from suggesting this.

[glass sentinel]

ik im just saying that maybe reduce it

ive read the sugg

but 10% dr while having a shield on most likely wont be implemented

[serene fox]

so does it matter or does it not matter?

[ashen warren]

little bit

[glass sentinel]

ah

[hollow shell]

(you can include that sentence you just screencapped in your suggestion)

[serene fox]

either way, tacking on a free 10% dr to already powerful accessories seems a bit unnecessary

[glass sentinel]

thats what i was saying

thats why voe has the 15% or however much % dmg only in lava

[whole sedge]

yeah to me regardless just seems really unneeded as if you want the extra 10 DR you can just make a water arena as that's already part of it

[hollow shell]

@vocal moon Boss suggestions aren't allowed

[violet dagger]

[hollow shell]

(also the most vaporwave you'll get in Calamity is this item: https://calamitymod.gamepedia.com/Aestheticus )

[vocal moon]

sorry

[cobalt pewter]

Probably will be rejected to fuck, but I find getting Terraprisma from daylight EoL is more fun than mindlessly grinding for any Legendary

[sturdy geyser]

@cobalt pewter taking my ideas smh

(its fine)

(im just joking)

[cobalt pewter]

[crude geode]

What about RIV?

They’re also the result of mindless grinding.

[sturdy geyser]

correct

[crude geode]

Also I’m not sure what “heirloom” weapons means in this instance.

@cobalt pewter

[cobalt pewter]

RIV is a bit of a different case since it's not inherently limited to bosses

And I referred these as "Heirlooms" since they're unique to each boss that drop them and the fact that they drop only from bosses, 1 leg for each boss

[crude geode]

Alright

I mean, legendaries aren’t meant to be grinded for, they’re meant to be random things rarely gotten during runs.

It’s why they’re often better than other weapons for their tier.

[whole sedge]

People still grind for 'em though so

[crude geode]

well those people are fools
You could also just progress normally and prolly have killed the next boss by the time you usually get that legendary.

[glass sentinel]

rivs are normally dropped by normal mobs

[crude geode]

yeah

[glass sentinel]

draedons remote for shpc is pretty good

*would be

[crude geode]

I might bring up the point that it's kind of difficult to come up with a challenge like nightime provi for every single boss.

Or it might infringe on other things, such as killing skeletron prime in daytime in revengeance giving the burden breaker

[hot zephyr]

You've just got to think outside of the box

[cobalt pewter]

Yeah, and I'm sure the devs can work it out

[hollow shell]

I have massive approval of this suggestion

[cobalt pewter]

[hollow shell]

The ideas list at the bottom is a bit redundant tho, at least in the way it's worded currently

[cobalt pewter]

Oh ye true

I did plan to change it, since it looks a bit iffy

Maybe just include the night provi one?

[hollow shell]

Maybe yeah
You could generalize it to Fighting Enraged Bosses, and include Night Prov, Surface Plantera, and Surface PBG as examples

(though I understand that Surface PBG is like omega christ, but
it's a good generalization)

[ashen warren]

destroyer in hell

[hollow shell]

DoG in Hell

[ashen warren]

oh god

[cobalt pewter]

Twins and Destroyer now go sicko mode at daytime

[hot zephyr]

Destroyer is already hell

[cobalt pewter]

Okay, adjusted the list below

[serene fox]

enraged PBG

[cobalt pewter]

Brazil time

[hollow shell]

Ah yeah SHPC would work fine for Mecha Mayhem

[cobalt pewter]

Mhm, especially since there's a unique spawn for it in cal

That sugg seems like a bug

[whole sedge]

(that's a bug as i am like 99% sure that's not supposed to happen)

[ashen warren]

yeah

[glass sentinel]

it is

i think its only with some vanities and armor

[hollow shell]

The bald invisibility thing has been a Terraria bug since like
1.2
and I don't know if they fixed it in 1.4

I think I remember seeing something about how they did indeed fix it in 1.4, but I could easily be misremembering

[cobalt pewter]

@fringe otter read above

[glass sentinel]

basically the sugg isnt needed

[hollow shell]

I mean, we could maybe try to fix it? But, it'd probably be quite difficult and it isn't really our place to do so

[glass sentinel]

and then if 1.4 did fix it, and tmod goes into 1.4, something else will break

[hollow shell]

Wouldn't be too hard to just, erase the code we put in to fix it if that is indeed the case

[limber ocean]

Idk

code in general is always just pain

I'm not too good at it, but one thing I learned from doing some maths shit last year is to never assume something will be easy when it comes to code

[glass sentinel]

never assume anything will be easy

[gleaming pumice]

I actuallly really like that legendary one

[ashen warren]

m eto to

[violet dagger]

Could be a good idea but it's formatted incorrectly

[heavy urchin]

mine?

[ashen warren]

...

[violet dagger]

Ye you need to seperste the title and the reasoning

[hollow idol]

Technically speaking, a lot of bosses can be seen as X 2.0, its just Polter is more obvious due to tentacles

[heavy urchin]

yeah and its ai

can we have variety please thanks

[violet dagger]

Polter has been this way since it was introduced

[serene fox]

doesn't polter have that new dash attack or whatever the fuck?

[violet dagger]

All it gets is some charges

[heavy urchin]

dash attack, ew

every boss is duke fishron in calameme

[serene fox]

ok

[heavy urchin]

variety plz

polterghast could have been a ghost, not plantera

[glass sentinel]

polter isnt a plant 2.0

[hollow idol]

Its getting a resprite that is allegedly gonna seperate it from Plantera more (at least appearance wise)

[glass sentinel]

different movement

different attacks

[violet dagger]

Someone in art server wanted to make polter a spider but they left the sprite

[glass sentinel]

different strategy

[violet dagger]

Since it wasn't gonna get accepted

[ashen warren]

Blueberry

Have u not realised why u got suggestion banned in pedguin

[serene fox]

m

[glass sentinel]

huh?

im uncultured so plz explain

[cobalt pewter]

lmao?

[glass sentinel]

confusion

[heady storm]

@dapper coral help me out on this polter suggestion please.

[ashen warren]

Where is sprite

[violet dagger]

It was a while ago

[dapper coral]

lord

[glass sentinel]

get one of the devs who have the code to say how polter is already different

[violet dagger]

Like august

[tawny garden]

@heavy urchin reason please

[glass sentinel]

he's not like plantera

like at all

[dapper coral]

that's not nearly descriptive enough blueberry, what specifically about plantera is the same as polterghast

[glass sentinel]

except the sprite

[violet dagger]

And the tentacles

[heady storm]

Also that comment about copy-pasted AI.

[violet dagger]

But other than that byech it's different

[ashen warren]

Copy pasted ai

Bruh

[whole sedge]

[ashen warren]

Like yeah, the ai is based on plantera

[violet dagger]

It could be formatted into adding a new attack

[heady storm]

Honestly remove it since it comes off as aggressive and disrespectful. @heavy urchin

[tawny garden]

Chetto is having a breakdown over a sugg

[hollow shell]

oof

[glass sentinel]

i think he is

[violet dagger]

The chain guillotine idea is nice

[ashen warren]

Hey Rover

[cobalt pewter]

Chain what

[hollow shell]

Hi?

[heady storm]

Rover help us.

[glass sentinel]

bye

rover please help

[ashen warren]

Ngl i do like the chain guilline attack

[hollow shell]

They got pinged multiple times, we just wait until they respond or edit

If they don't, that's fine. It's exclam'd anyway.

[dapper coral]

there's nothing to say, really
they've already been pinged about it, if they get back to explain it it's fine, if not then it goes away tomorrow

nbd

[glass sentinel]

fair enough

[violet dagger]

Anyways I'ma leave it at if it was narrowed down to a guillotine attack instead of the bashing it would be

[heavy urchin]

Ok

[hollow shell]

(why does everyone think that idea would be cool, I'm not even sure what that attack would entail)

[violet dagger]

Well the Sugg could be valid if it was that

[dapper coral]

idek what that means lole

[violet dagger]

Whether people like it or not

Voting would show

[glass sentinel]

i mean many people have the same line of thought

but they too have been shut down by us

it gets annoying when people constantly say that calam bosses are vanilla copies

[heavy urchin]

because a lot of them arelol

[ashen warren]

Have u not realised why u got suggestion banned in pedguin
.

[heavy urchin]

because i meme too much

[hollow shell]

I mean

[glass sentinel]

name 1 boss that is a direct vanilla copy

i'll wait

[heavy urchin]

old duke

[ashen warren]

lMao

[glass sentinel]

🤦‍♂️

[violet dagger]

Old dukes ai is completely original tho

Well not completely completely

[heavy urchin]

lmao

[cobalt pewter]

Do we really need to discuss this

[violet dagger]

But not like ripped right off

[glass sentinel]

just bc its supposed to be SIMILAR to duke doesnt mean IT IS

[whole sedge]

an example of inspired doesn't mean copy

[cobalt pewter]

Doesn't seem anything of substantial value will be gotten from this

[glass sentinel]

yup

[heavy urchin]

just say it could be different

[glass sentinel]

the sugg is not approved

lets move on

?

yes? no?

[hollow shell]

I don't remember the moment in the Plantera fight where she summoned three minions to orbit around you and shoot accelerating projectiles
Or when she entered her third phase and summons a clone of herself that acts semi-dependently on the movement of the original
Or when Plantera and her clone lined up diagonally for scissoring dash attacks

[heavy urchin]

lets just say how i fight old duke is the same as regular duke with a few more steps

[ashen warren]

No it isnt

[heavy urchin]

rover, im talking about the core fight

[ashen warren]

It’s entirely different

[glass sentinel]

in other words, you're doing it wrong

[ashen warren]

Thats like saying uh colorless is a copy of mng2

[hollow shell]

Sure yeah they're both hook bosses

[glass sentinel]

the core fight?

so every boss is the same?

[hollow shell]

How do you propose we keep Polter as a hook boss while making it distinct from Plantera?

[glass sentinel]

bc you have to do damage and dodge

[hollow shell]

because internally the AI is already very distinct

[heavy urchin]

uh

first phase *cough

[hollow shell]

Whabbout it

[heavy urchin]

movement, projectile pattern

circlability

[ashen warren]

[golden narwhal]

A lot of bosses come off as "copies" due to their similar appearance or concept (noticeably OD)

Just the way it is

[hollow shell]

First phase has dash attacks

[violet dagger]

Well some do use vanilla ais but they were made in like 2017

When such was acceptable

[heavy urchin]

i just want to see calameme come up with a completely original boss that also isn't a desert scrouge

aka disaster

[hollow shell]

Like, Astrum Aureus?

[violet dagger]

Desert scourge got a new attack

[glass sentinel]

DS isnt a disaster

its simple

[hollow shell]

Hive Mind?

[violet dagger]

Providence

The cherry in top

[hollow shell]

Brimmy and Signus?

[glass sentinel]

are you trying to get fabsol and the other devs to whoop you

[heavy urchin]

provindince is good

[glass sentinel]

cryogen

[heavy urchin]

i can't say the same for others

[glass sentinel]

well then

[heavy urchin]

i love providence

[hollow shell]

(and yeah you're kinda asking for people to get mad at you by calling Calamity "calameme" flat out)

[glass sentinel]

the devs are trying

[heavy urchin]

wait its rude?

[hollow shell]

Also Leviathan & Anahita

[glass sentinel]

so stop being an asshole

[hollow shell]

Yeah it's pretty rude

[glass sentinel]

they try to make bosses unique

[heavy urchin]

i mean thats what everyone calls it in thorium discord

[glass sentinel]

but some are very slightly similar

[heavy urchin]

so i thought it was just a nickname

[glass sentinel]

well then fuck them

[violet dagger]

Its mainly just a meme

[hollow shell]

Nah it's mainly derogatory

[dapper coral]

last time i checked, this wasn't thorium. don't be rude.

[hollow shell]

The reason why it's common outside of the Calamity Discord is because Calamity is generally disliked by the overall Terraria modding community

[heavy urchin]

oh

[hollow shell]

which is a damn shame

[violet dagger]

Ye it isn't horrible by any means

[heavy urchin]

its understandable considering its history

lotta people can't play new versions becuase sheesh calamity halves my fps

[violet dagger]

Imo AA was worse but I don't want to get deep into that

[heavy urchin]

A goal would be to optimize the mod

AA

[hollow idol]

It did get heavily optimized awhile back

[violet dagger]

The forbidden word

Anti aliasing

[heavy urchin]

uh when

[hollow shell]

iirc if there are specific instances where you can find high frame drops you can report them to #bugs-read-pins

[heavy urchin]

i played in 2019

and its just calamity is super heavy

[hollow idol]

Lemme check

[hollow shell]

Oh so like
over a year ago

[ashen warren]

So why calamity being heavy is the problem now?

[dry latch]

oh noe berry is here

[hollow idol]

October 21 was the changelog

[ashen warren]

Thats different from ur sugg

[hollow shell]

... it helps to have played Calamity recently before making a suggestion about it

but

mmh

[heavy urchin]

yeah i can't play 5 fps

[hollow shell]

How suck does your computer

[heavy urchin]

1.6x4 ghz

[ashen warren]

Wow so representative

[heavy urchin]

a lot of people i know have worse specs than that

[hollow shell]

My computer is modern but not gaming and I got 3.4x4 ghz
Calamity runs fine, 60FPS

Lotta other games (particularly 3D) can't stay at 60FPS but Calamity can

[heavy urchin]

thats a lot

3.4

[hollow shell]

Is it

[heavy urchin]

yeah

[hollow shell]

Okay
I.. dunno where this convo was going

[heavy urchin]

so any idea why calamity is halving my fps idle?

[ashen warren]

wdym halving your fps idle

[heavy urchin]

i normally run 30 fps

[hollow shell]

I guess not
I assume you've already tried turning off your background, setting lighting to Retro/Trippy, Quality to Low, and all the effects settings off?

[ashen warren]

normally meaning?

[heavy urchin]

miniumum settings normal mods such has MOR, EA, thorium, etc

[ashen warren]

also usually white/color settings gives better fps than retro/trippy

[heavy urchin]

i tried all of em

[hollow shell]

(I hear it go both ways)

[ashen warren]

what weapon are you using

[hollow shell]

(I personally get better FPS with the old lightings)

[ashen warren]

to lag

[heavy urchin]

idle

[ashen warren]

um

[hollow shell]

That's quite odd

Calamity doesn't run a shitload of background processes that would cause you to just
lag, passively

[heavy urchin]

compared to other mods?

[hollow shell]

I can't tell you what MoR and EA do code-wide but I cannot assume it is much different from Cal
Cal really does not do much processing-intensive stuff idlely

[heavy urchin]

idk

[whole sedge]

(it also heavily depends on if you're comparing just calamity to just MOR and such don't forget )

[heavy urchin]

i might try it when a update comes out

[hollow shell]

Maybe it's #17 in the most recent changelog 🤷‍♀️

[heavy urchin]

balance good?

[hollow shell]

Hm?

[heavy urchin]

is the balance good rn

[hollow shell]

Uh

Yes?

Full overall game balance is usually never outright bad

[whole sedge]

why not find out yourself or ask in a different channel instead of clogging this up with stuff completely off topic

[hollow shell]

(unless you were planning on making a "fix all balancing" suggestion based on my answer to your question )

[ashen warren]

if you have any porblems with cal mod you should just refer it to #bugs-read-pins

[fringe cloak]

I feel like whenever people say "calamity is unbalanced" they dont know calamity balances around rev

[ashen warren]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[heavy urchin]

yeah i play rev

im talking about weapon A being objectively stronger than weapon B but they are the same teir

and legendary weapons

[hollow shell]

Yeah that's all fine pretty much

Testers work pretty much every day to ensure that

[heavy urchin]

nice

wait every day?

[hollow shell]

Yes.

We do a fuckton of testing

[heavy urchin]

like you even pay them?

[hollow shell]

Nah it's all volunteer lol

[heavy urchin]

ah

otherwise id haev to ask how much money off patreon you were makin

[dry latch]

I feel like I should at least inform people of what it is like in the other side

[hollow shell]

I've gathered that, yes.

[cobalt pewter]

[heavy urchin]

didn't you know that was a joke?

[crude geode]

If lots of projectiles means moon lord fight, then there’s a lotta bosses you’re missing out on calling out.

[heavy urchin]

you don't understand

a lot of different projectiles from different areas all doing different things with different ways to dodge them

[crude geode]

Once again.

[golden narwhal]

Can you elaborate on that?

[dry latch]

it's a joke yes, but it was made for a reason

[crude geode]

A lot of different projectiles from different areas all doing different things is not exclusive to moon lord

[golden narwhal]

(Also, you might mean p3 instead of p2)

[crude geode]

See also, SCal.

[heavy urchin]

yeah

well with scal its different

its more managable

[crude geode]

...final bullet hell phase would like to argue with you.

[heavy urchin]

well with exceptions

[hollow shell]

SCal is indeed more organized than ML generally

[heavy urchin]

moon lord is what i call a disaster

[golden narwhal]

I can't really think of polter attacks that directly conflict with each other
Unless you find the darts problematic, in that case, they're kinda coordinated

[crude geode]

Yeah, polterghast’s attacks seem messy, but there is a method to the madness, and it makes polterghast one of my favorite fights since you have to focus in on a lotta things at once to avoid dying.

[heavy urchin]

you know about radience?

[crude geode]

Not just dash a ton, but carefully maneuvering yourself through a minefield of projectiles as a giant angry ghost chases you.

[heavy urchin]

absrad in particular?

[hollow shell]

(I do)

[crude geode]

what?

Oh yeah absolute radiance

[heavy urchin]

considered one of the most multitasked bosses in hk

[crude geode]

I’ve never fought it before, but I know of it.

[heavy urchin]

polter has 2x projetiles of that

[golden narwhal]

...so does yharon and scal

[hollow shell]

Eh
Somewhat imbalanced comparison, HK and Terraria are quite different games

[crude geode]

^^

Especially Calamity

[ashen warren]

yeah

[heavy urchin]

well

[hollow shell]

Different in how they handle equipment and healing and freedom of movement, etc

[crude geode]

^^^

[heavy urchin]

movement and attacks are the ones im focusing on

terraria is much more overpowered

[ashen warren]

I see a hollow knight discussion😎😎😎😎

[crude geode]

What does this have to do with the boss needing a rework?

[heavy urchin]

compared to other games, some bossese are wayyy to scattered and not much directed thinking

think about NKG

a lot of people's fav bosses

[crude geode]

...why do you keep bringing up Hollow Knight?

[heavy urchin]

because its known for having good bosses?

[hollow shell]

Indeed
I do think Hollow Knight is a much more elegantly executed game in how simple its mechanics are

That doesn't translate into Terraria due to all of the different variables Terraria has at any given moment

Considering we have equipment and weapon loadouts and such

[heavy urchin]

especially with cala changing vanilla, and the boxes, there can be similar feels of boss fights?

[crude geode]

You have spell or nail or sucky minion load outs in hollow knight.
You have 5 different classes in calamity, with subclasses and a variety of weaponry.

[heavy urchin]

yes?

most of the weaponry is point and click + bonus effects so consider them the same in this argument

[hollow shell]

We're tryin to say that it's much harder to do a boss fight as elegantly as HK when you're making it for Terraria

[crude geode]

god this is hurting my brain what does this have to do with Polterghast specifically needing a rework compared to other bosses

[heavy urchin]

you literally have a diable flight for ravanger

[hollow shell]

Indeed

[heavy urchin]

thats how much power cala has over boss fights

tons of potential for a mod like this

[crude geode]

Why. Does Polterghast. Need a rework.

[whole sedge]

It's almost like they change how the player fights the boss to suit the boss' style so the fight is more coherent instead of just flying away from a grounded boss and staying in the air for like 45 seconds to 2 minutes

[heavy urchin]

we're not even on that topic right now

[hollow shell]

We should be on that topic, though

[whole sedge]

exactly so maybe we should stop

[crude geode]

What Rover said

[heavy urchin]

im saying how calamity bosses have tons of potential, am i right?

[crude geode]

Your suggestion is about Polterghast specifically needing a rework, so (compared to other bosses) why does Polter need a rework?

[hollow shell]

s'not a very productive conversation to compare all of Terraria & Calamity bosses to all of HK bosses
considering you can't make a suggestion about that

[dry latch]

basically It'd be Cool™️

[heavy urchin]

im giving comparasions to demonstrate how much power cala has

you can do literally ANYTHING to boss fights

wether instakills, boxes, debuffs, anticheat, dps cap, etc

[hollow shell]

.. indeed

[heavy urchin]

and those things can be limitless

[crude geode]

Are you going to get to the actual point and reasoning of why polter needs a rework with this?

[dry latch]

that's his point

[heavy urchin]

well, becuase theres too many things going on at once

[hollow shell]

(I have a feeling like you'd be the kind of person who would say that Ravager is a rip-off of Golem, though)

(Despite you using him as an example of unique execution in a boss fight through his flight-cancelling debuff)

[heavy urchin]

(it sorta is in some ways but its better than a lot of bosses)

so its good

[hollow shell]

Okay

[crude geode]

So there's too many things going on at once in the fight??

[heavy urchin]

yes

[whole sedge]

i don't see how that's a bad thing as it's still managable

[hollow shell]

I mean, sure, it is an argument to be made

I would personally, like
dial your sugg's scope back a bit

[crude geode]

yeahhhhh

[hollow shell]

from reworking the whole boss, towards fixing a specific issue

Like
Making it so Polterghast no longer shoots projectiles directly from itself, and that instead gets replaced with a new unique means of attack

[heavy urchin]

thats an idea

[hollow shell]

and your reason would be that, it'd serve a double purpose of making it more distinct from Plantera, and it'd make the fight less chaotic (especially due to the removal of the bouncing projs)

That's just an idea tho

[crude geode]

(Personally I feel as though Polter is a more fun boss fight than Old Duke and a decent amount of post-ml fights but I also fought Old Duke on deathmode first so shrug emoji)
Saying "rework the whole boss" just isn't something that's going to realistically happen

[serene fox]

(Old Duke is absolute hell to learn but is really fun once mastered which is why he should have his own infnite summoning item byeah)

[cobalt pewter]

(it is hard to get traction with OD due to his summoning item yes)

Either way

What rover suggested is a good idea

Narrow the scope of the sugg to a specific phase or attack

[frail mantle]

OD unlimited summon item would also make it more consistent with every post-Folly boss

[cobalt pewter]

Yes

OD is the only one with a consumable summon

[frail mantle]

(technically Prov's is also consumable but shhh)

[glass sentinel]

you can make it non eatable

[crude geode]

Implying that prov's summon isn't just immediately upgraded

[ashen warren]

you can make it non eatable
wait we can eat od's summon?

[heavy urchin]

plz make bosses have more melee attacks that are not "charge"

[hollow shell]

Examples?

[ashen warren]

can you explain an attack like that?

[hollow shell]

Cuz, I feel like you can generalize a ton of different melee attacks as "charging"

[heavy urchin]

like my suggestion of a chain gillotine attack

[hollow shell]

How would that work

I still don't know

[heavy urchin]

tentacle - aim - thrust out - continue chopping at the player

for like 3 repetitions

[hollow shell]

Like Golem/Ravager fists?

[glass sentinel]

as if we havent had enough of those

[heavy urchin]

similar, but faster

[ashen warren]

an attac like this?

[hollow shell]

I guess so
Sounds a bit annoying to dodge tho

(That won't animate, typos)

[heavy urchin]

its literally a varied version of circle

[glass sentinel]

yup

[ashen warren]

oh i see

[glass sentinel]

discord ruined it

[heavy urchin]

its not going to be difficult to dodge

if you want it hard to dodge, you could make the knives spit out projectiles perpendicular to it

[glass sentinel]

thats not a bad idea

[heavy urchin]

but only 1 knife at a time

like those skeleton things from enter then gungeon

[hollow shell]

Alright well
You could explain the attack in a bit more detail instead of just comparing to to chain guillotines

[ashen warren]

but chain guilltines arent very melee tho

[heavy urchin]

its has more of the essence than plain projectiles

[hollow shell]

(or you could specify more that you mean the Terraria item named "Chain Guillotines", cuz at first I was confused and trying to imagine some unique cross-slash attack)

[heavy urchin]

oh lmao

[hollow shell]

((also just one minor detail:
Polterghast is not female))

[ashen warren]

but imo an attack like that would be kinda hard to doge especially on modes like death mode

[glass sentinel]

also the way that chain guillotines work is that when they hit a target they go back. but if you dodge polter's ones they will be super slow

[hollow shell]

I can see an attack like it working

[glass sentinel]

fair enough i guess

[hollow shell]

The key is putting a tiny pause after the aim and before the shoot

[heavy urchin]

why death specifically?

[ashen warren]

like anchor?

[hollow shell]

I'm thinking of the Metroid Queen's head attack from AM2R, if anybody here's played that

[heavy urchin]

its like a grappling hook but the grappling hook does damage and it never pulls you

[hollow shell]

https://youtu.be/qRSRWdD-0G8?t=20

[glass sentinel]

ah

[heavy urchin]

https://enterthegungeon.gamepedia.com/Revolvenant

try that

[frail mantle]

i believe Fab wanted to add something like the revolvenant's arms except for Brimmy's laser

[heavy urchin]

can't imagine trying that with pre mech wings

[hollow shell]

Never played much Gungeon, I have no idea what this attack looks like

[ashen warren]

me neither

[frail mantle]

this is how they work

[hollow shell]

I see

[frail mantle]

they throw their arms towards you, shit comes out perpendicularly to the arm and grants you the chungus ouch®️

[heavy urchin]

yeah

but yeah, 1 attack at a time

i cannot imagine that paried with other attacks

[hollow shell]

Anyway yeah make sure you edit your suggestion, Blueberry

[heavy urchin]

k

[distant gyro]

tl;dr hooks are very versatile and many things can be made from it that's not plantera esque

[hollow shell]

Ah hrm

Suggestion execution is questionable

Generally, the top line describes the gist of the suggestion (more descriptive than just two words like that; you would say what the attack would be like)

And the lower part of the suggestion would be mostly reasoning with just a bit of elaboration

We value reasoning much more than we value specificity
(Specificity is generally discouraged to give the devs and #suggestions-voting voters more freedom with how it would be executed)

[heavy urchin]

better?

[hollow shell]

a... bit?

[heavy urchin]

idk

[hollow shell]

"Make Polterghast use its hooks for unique melee attacks, instead of having so many chaotic projectiles." could be a top line

And, you could mention Plantera differentiation in your reasoning, if you want

(It would also be nice if you actually described what the Revolvenant attack is like, or specifically which aspect of the attack you'd like to see translated, for any people who are unfamiliar with that one specific ETG enemy which I imagine is a ton of people)

(iirc you said earlier that it's not even the best comparison?)

@heavy urchin You still there?

(You'll get the hang of makin suggestions after lookin at how other people do it for a while, and of course the more you make of your own and get feedback. For now I'm just tryin to make this one look all good)

[cobalt pewter]

@crude geode ask the donor

As long as the donor is still around, the devs can't just change recipes for their item outta nowhere

[swift wharf]

magna striker

also Astreal Defeat

both of these weapons are ranged but use a mage weapon in its recipe

[hollow shell]

Also Aether's Whisper & Magnomaly Cannon

Also Effervescence

And, yeah, need to ask donor.

... and, like
Atlantis is the most thematically fitting ingredient in its recipe

Removing it would detract from the recipe a lot

[swift wharf]

true

[hollow shell]

@real pecan

Wow they have not messaged in a while

[cobalt pewter]

dang

[hollow shell]

((I assume they're just a lurker cuz they're in new servers like Tides of Aether and the second CalVanities server))

[cobalt pewter]

Ahh

[hollow shell]

Still
We'd appreciate your response, DevilSunrise

[crude geode]

yeah for sure

also on the topic of magna striker and astreal defeat comparison

Astreal Defeat actually does incorporate the spirit flame's projectile, and magna striker does partially. Actually this gives me a idea

[hollow shell]

Atlantis is included due to it's similar theming/function
of firing bladed weapons made of water

Amidias's Spear shoots unshapen whirlpools
and Influx Waver is a techno sword that shoots energy sword beams

Atlantis comes the closest to Tides thematically

[real pecan]

um

yes?

[golden narwhal]

There's a sugg about your donor weapon, needs your pass

[real pecan]

Atlantis is kinda the reason i asked for the weapon actually

and the reason the weapon is melee is because i personally enjoy playing melee

wanted to have a water themed trident made from one of Anahita themed drops

[tawny garden]

Rip sugg

[hollow shell]

Thanks for the info 👍

@crude geode

[crude geode]

rip

well, talking about how magic weapons are used in other weapon's recipe gave me an idea for a different sugg

A small separate note, Aether's Whisper could be removed from Magnomaly Cannon after this possible change, as Magnomaly Cannon is focused on rocket launchers and not guns

[cobalt pewter]

Jokes on you, hybrids weapons will be gone

This is specifically on Aether

[swift wharf]

elemental disk stealth strike soon maybe perhaps permaybe hmmm

[cobalt pewter]

But all weapons with hybrids will only have 1 type once 1.4.6 drops

Yes

For melee/rogue, the rule of thumb is that hammers will be melee, and the rest will be rogue

[swift wharf]

we won mr stark

[cobalt pewter]

With exceptions of most donor weapons, which will remain hybrid (save for kelvin, which apparently will be rogue)

[crude geode]

took long enough for that to be established, only suggested like a year ago
Imma wait slightly for confirmation from a dev/mod.

[cobalt pewter]

Ozz is a dev.

[crude geode]

I am aware, it's just likely isn't 100%.

[cobalt pewter]

But you can definitely ask rover or brav

If you're still not sure

And the fact that my sugg about giving elem disk stealth strike got rejected says something

[crude geode]

well for one, it's that that's in the future, so giving it alone a stealth strike would be kinda weird

[cobalt pewter]

The sugg was way before the confirmation about hybrid removal btw

[crude geode]

even more unlikely to go through then

[cobalt pewter]

Either way

Hybrids would most likely be gone in funni alien cyborg boss update

For non-donor weapons at least

[quasi flume]

I actually like the sugg about legendaries

Daytime Empress of Light has this kind of thing

for example

[cobalt pewter]

One idea that came into my mind is for Sea's Searing, by fighting AS completely under the Sulphur Sea's waters

By giving these kinda ways to get Legendaries, imo the weapons would feel a lot more memorable

[swift wharf]

yeah

[cobalt pewter]

Instead of just "oh, it's another weapon, cool" thing

[swift wharf]

i just read it and i love it

[cobalt pewter]

plus if this is approved, most likely legendaries would also drop from the boss themselves, and that'd achieve another one of my suggs, so killing 2 birds with one stone

[swift fulcrum]

fighting enraged bosses is a weird challenge for the legendaries

[cobalt pewter]

They're just examples, the devs can definitely go for something else

[graceful stream]

One idea that came into my mind is for Sea's Searing, by fighting AS completely under the Sulphur Sea's waters
I like that

Weapon which, in order to get it, forces player to try water arenas and underwater fighting in general

[swift wharf]

how enraged golem gets when hes outside the temple?

[cobalt pewter]

Still kinda weak

[swift wharf]

ye

but like pbg

[graceful stream]

Enraged Golem for Aegis kinda okay

Pbg is not

[swift wharf]

yeah hell no

[cobalt pewter]

PBG?

I'm sure as hell don't mention her in the sugg

That'd be hellish

Either way, yeah

I might add that one into the list

For AS

[graceful stream]

For Providence, survive 30s of holy inferno total (in one fight) and win

Tho idk, this makes it impossible to get for arma players

[swift wharf]

night prov?

but she has a lot of drops tho

during night

[graceful stream]

No, night prov already has a lot of stuff

[swift wharf]

imagine dog legendary

who even uses that lmao

[cobalt pewter]

Hot Take: Cosmic Discharge is just Apotheosis material

[graceful stream]

idk

[tawny garden]

Correct

[graceful stream]

For DoG, never stop touching the ground

[cobalt pewter]

That's actually cool

[crude geode]

that sounds like hell.

[tawny garden]

Lol about the last sugg
For each of the three described weapons, I fell for the trick and crafted them despite being a mage

[cobalt pewter]

KEK

[swift wharf]

minecart tracks

[cobalt pewter]

mount doesn't count

[graceful stream]

Well folly + teleporters

Two world-long roads

I think arena creativity is a way to go for legendary challenges

For Providence, after 10s of fight start never let the Wet debuff go away

[cobalt pewter]

Yeah arena creativity seems interesting for Legendaries

[graceful stream]

Yeah

Also the thing for Providence contradicts what I just said but that's just too cool

put out the fire

[cobalt pewter]

But that's a bit more feasible than nohitting her debuff

Which is clearly arma players will have a hard time with

[graceful stream]

yeh

[serene fox]

who plays on arma?

[tawny garden]

nohitters maybe

and other masochists

[graceful stream]

Also water gun will finally have a use

[tawny garden]

but but

Water Gun shouldn't have a use

It's made to be useless

[serene fox]

how would the game communicate these challenges to the player exactly?

without basically spoon feeding them info

[graceful stream]

It could be a secret thing

Like, Guide or Amidias could say that some bosses hold treasure only accessible via specific means

And like, different npcs could hint at those means

[cobalt pewter]

Some boss lore items could probably also hint to this

[graceful stream]

Like bandit, referencing the line where she stole Providence' stuff, saying after Provi's defeated "Providence was reaally furious when found out some of her things were missing. I think she could use some chill" or smth like that, writing is really not my best (especially in English), also sorry for cring

[cobalt pewter]

Mhm

I'd leave that to the devs

[cobalt pewter]

Okay, a weird question

Do I need to suggest if I just wanted to improve on this emote?

[tawny garden]

this emoji does not need improvement.

[cobalt pewter]

Currently I have this, which has transparent BG and no text (because let's be real, text on emotes are kinna cringe)

It's a rough edit, so excuse the outline

[tawny garden]

nah the text on there is important

[cobalt pewter]

Nah mate, emotes like these are best expressed without text

It's also why we have masterpieces like

[robust lava]

For this one in particular, the text adds a lot imo

[cobalt pewter]

There's already text on the emoji name almost most of the time, and unless the emoji name doesn't make any kinda sense, text doesn't seem important

[crude geode]

It’s hahayes it’s iconic

[tawny garden]

the emoji name doesn't always correspond to its usage

[cobalt pewter]

Yes, but in this case, how else would you name it? The name already describes the expression, and the text on the emoji is redundant and forces the emoji to have white bg

White bg emojis are pretty cringe

Unless it's intentionally meme

[tawny garden]

iirc it's intentionally on white bg

[crude geode]

Adios has no background despite having text

[tawny garden]

(might not be, I dunno)

[crude geode]

The white background adds to the meme

[tawny garden]

and yeah, you could have text on a transparent bg

[cobalt pewter]

I'm not sure how it'd be used outside of Discord, but on the platform where 90% of the user base is using dark mode (or AMOLED black for megachad mobiles), white bg for an emoji is kinda

Bad

Plus ya meant this adios?

[crude geode]

[cobalt pewter]

Yeah at least it's alright for this one because the text is colored

[tawny garden]

emojis are small

[crude geode]

Indeed

[tawny garden]

so the white bg doesn't make a big difference

[crude geode]

For sure

[cobalt pewter]

Only removing bg from hahayes would essentially make the text vague to read at best on dark mode

Text on transparent bg works for , but might not work for

Plus you can enlarge emojis by just sending them

[tawny garden]

Only removing bg from hahayes would essentially make the text vague to read at best on dark mode
sounds like an another reason for the white bg

[cobalt pewter]

And even then, seeing tiny ant ass text on emojis make me kinda cringe

[crude geode]

That’s a personal opinion really

[cobalt pewter]

Point is, it's either text + bg or none at all, and transparent bg is usually the best for Discord emojis

[tawny garden]

sure, things like this would make a difference for the dark theme

[crude geode]

I like hahayes with the tiny text and white bg, it’s funny.

[cobalt pewter]

Yeah it's probably my own opinion

[crude geode]

Does that mean you have to? No.

[cobalt pewter]

Too bad I didn't have nitro

[craggy stratus]

the "haha" looks too small tbh

[cobalt pewter]

It's even enlarged here

[crude geode]

I think it’s intentional really

[tawny garden]

oh fuck

[cobalt pewter]

Eh idk now, I'm not some emoji Picasso or smth

[tawny garden]

I turned on discord light theme

[cobalt pewter]

[tawny garden]

god this is so dumb

[cobalt pewter]

Philo's eyes have left the chat

[craggy stratus]

ok turned on light theme

the "haha" is slightly noticeable now

[cobalt pewter]

I have improved sight on these kinda things, so I can see the haha even on AMOLED dark

But that's also my curse

Since I'm unintentionally forcing myself to look at these tiny text

[tawny garden]

I have improved sight on these kinda things
meanwhile, me

lol

[cobalt pewter]

[tawny garden]

look at my pfp
you'll notice that my glasses shift the edge of my skull by like a cm

because my eyes are shit

[cobalt pewter]

Bruh

[tawny garden]

and I need to compensate my shitty eyes with glasses

[cobalt pewter]

That do be tough

[signal glade]

its been a while since i have been here

[exotic stag]

[sand umbra]

I
I don't see the purpose of this hybrid sugg, especially when it has already been confirmed that hybrid weapons are dying (and we do not need to save them)

[tawny garden]

They are dying?

Rip in pieces

[sturdy geyser]

:why::

[tawny garden]

((Healthbar on pillars is coming in 1.4, but we don't talk about that here))

[sand umbra]

((yes we do))

[craggy stratus]

the screen's shockwave should indicate that the pillar is damageable

[tawny garden]

((Fuck))

[sand umbra]

also healthbar on pillars is completely redundant regardless, because you already get a bigass shockwave effect and the disappearance of the very visible shield around the pillar

[heady storm]

So their suggestion isn't necessary.

[tawny garden]

It's valid

[sleek turret]

the, uh, pillars thingy shockwave indicates its about to go kaboom when its very transparent.

[craggy stratus]

however, there is no indication that how many enemy left is needed to break the barrier

[tawny garden]

There is, but it's subtle

[sand umbra]

the shield gets less visible as you get closer to breaking it

[sleek turret]

yeah

[clever raft]

But that's only when it's on screen

[sand umbra]

and the lack of an exact number is why you either download Yet Another Boss Health Bar which tells you exactly how many you need like a normal pre-1.4 person
or you wait for 1.4 and use the pre-existing healthbar for the pillars there, which shows you more or less an accurate representation of the pillar's shield health

the addition of something like this to Calamity would be redundant

[craggy stratus]

so another mod has achieved this

[sand umbra]

yes

[tawny garden]

Or wait for 1.4 and get an improved healthbar
But that's after you time travel

[sleek turret]

[sand umbra]

you're a bit late, because I already mentioned that

but thank you for the coverage anyway

[tawny garden]

heh?
I combined your points

[sand umbra]

the combination was implied

my point still stands that an addition like this for Calamity isn't needed at all

[tawny garden]

Byeah

[heady storm]

Is this something I need to exclaim though?

[tawny garden]

Doesn't break anything yet afaik

Rover doesn't consider "QoL from another mod" as a don't

[sand umbra]

as much as I consider directly invalidating the concepts of other mods a meme considering Calamity is already terrible at letting other mods handle certain features which it doesn't really need to
this is a valid suggestion

...I think

[unreal star]

but YABHB is one of the most downloaded mods on tmodloader

[tawny garden]

That doesn't matter here

[earnest raptor]

@sand umbra what exactly wrong with adding progress bar to pillars?

[unreal star]

eh yeah

[sand umbra]

oh my god

[earnest raptor]

I can read, don't explain to me that other mod does that.

[tawny garden]

"Wrong" as in "download YABHB"

[earnest raptor]

If we were using that rule, then why having Health Bar at all?

[unreal star]

bc it shows percentage of hp

[robust lava]

Because Metal Gear Rising:Revengeance reference

[sand umbra]

I don't know why the hell it exists, it's not even really that useful in the grand scheme of things

[unreal star]

yabhb doesn’t do that

[sleek turret]

and also YABHB is kinda with low resolution screen size.

[sand umbra]

especially since most people are going to use YABHB anyway

[sleek turret]

calamity hp bar works as fine on lower resolutions at all.

[tawny garden]

Your suggestion is fine btw

Just

[sleek turret]

*tested on 1366x768 resolution.

[sand umbra]

Calamity's HP bar is also really tacky, not fitting in with anything else including Calamity's own content, and fails to tell you when the boss is invulnerable for some reason or another

[tawny garden]

On my screen YABHB looked great
3840x2160 gang
But I don't use it

[unreal star]

that’s a big ass monitor

[earnest raptor]

This discussion quickly transfered to yeeting health bar

[sleek turret]

philo, thats insane.

[tawny garden]

This discussion quickly transfered to yeeting health bar
That has been suggested before

[cobalt pewter]

Honestly, biggest hot take of the day here

Calamity's health bar violates their own sugg don't, which is "references for the sake of it"

[craggy stratus]

[sleek turret]

[earnest raptor]

[unreal star]

how long ago was that suggested

to yeet the health bar

[tawny garden]

iirc after the cutoff

[sand umbra]

congratulations, Feedza, you successfully summarized why the references-for-the-sake-of-references Don't is weird

[unreal star]

and when was that

[robust lava]

I mean. It has functionality that is not otherwise present in Calamity alone. Therefore not just 'for the sake of it'

[sand umbra]

what functionality

[cobalt pewter]

congratulations, Feedza, you successfully summarized why the references-for-the-sake-of-references Don't is weird
:happyfish: oh wait, I'm not in DD server

Either way

[fossil finch]

yeet every non-donator reference that there is in calamity just cuz "it's cool" sugg when

[cobalt pewter]

lmao

[tawny garden]

Well here's the thing

[robust lava]

Telling you how much health a boss has left without having to mouse over the boss? And for some bosses it provides additional information such as number of arms left for skeletron and such

[cobalt pewter]

Another mod already covers this function

[robust lava]

The style of the health bar is obviously just a reference for the sake of it

[sand umbra]

YABHB already gives a health bar for the boss itself

[tawny garden]

<@&242038163512623104> bypass the suggestion don'ts

[cobalt pewter]

I seen some functions suggested get turned down because another qol mod already does it

[sand umbra]

things like the number of arms left for the Skeletrons are already clear if you like

look at the boss

for literally a fraction of a second

[tawny garden]

I seen some functions suggested get turned down because another qol mod already does it
Still not a don't

[cobalt pewter]

(at)Devs bypass the suggestion don'ts
No fair

[sand umbra]

I'm not seeing any particularly noteworthy functionality which I couldn't already get out of either another mod or playing the game

[sturdy geyser]

wait Philo did you really ping every dev?

[tawny garden]

No

[cobalt pewter]

Devs role can't be mentioned

[sturdy geyser]

oh good

i was scared

[craggy stratus]

:fear:

[cobalt pewter]

But I'm just that paranoid

Can't have me accidentally pinging devs

[sand umbra]

if you really need that extra information on a healthbar
ask the creator of YABHB to add that stuff for whenever the mod updates again
it's not rocket science

[fossil finch]

wasn't it a don't to sugg things that mods specifically do?

[tawny garden]

You can tell that all devs weren't mentioned by the fact that I'm still here

[unreal star]

ok done

[distant gyro]

false

[craggy stratus]

remove health bar

[hallow kraken]

why not just use the config to disable it

[distant gyro]

devs making suggestions in #suggestions-posting still have to follow rules

[tawny garden]

Ye but

[sand umbra]

it's not a Don't to sugg things that other mods do although I personally hate it

[cobalt pewter]

if you really need that extra information on a healthbar
ask the creator of YABHB to add that stuff for whenever the mod updates again
it's not rocket science
Actually I might try contacting flashkirby99 again (creator of YABHB and WeaponOut) for some health bar related stuff

[craggy stratus]

oh yeah there is a config for that

[cobalt pewter]

But that's not the point

[tawny garden]

Devs making stuff up in dev servo don't have to follow the sugg donts

[cobalt pewter]

how do you know that philo

[foggy plover]

^

[sand umbra]

suggesting that Calamity do things that other mods already do better just shows an unwillingness to use other goddamn mods
which defeats the point of it being a modded setting and not just Calamity standalone

[gray nebula]

lmmmmfao

[foggy plover]

donts mean nothing to devs

[robust lava]

Plus, the work has already gone into making the boss health bar. The devs aren't going to say "oh damn, I guess it really is just a metal gear reference. Welp, better remove all that hard work then"

[gray nebula]

remove all bosses from the game because they break the "dont suggest bosses" rule

[sand umbra]

don't you pull sunk cost on me

[sturdy geyser]

good idea

[gray nebula]

[cobalt pewter]

Good idea iban

[tawny garden]

how do you know that philo
Cause they just
Don't do that lol

[craggy stratus]

remove all calamity content in calamity

[robust lava]

I am pulling sunk cost fallacy because there is no point in removing it

[sturdy geyser]

remove calamity because it violates the suggesting too much rule

[robust lava]

It's not like calamity's health bar replaces YABHB

[hot zephyr]

Remove everything because it's a SIS

[cobalt pewter]

mfw a joke hot take got actually thrown into posting :fear:

[tawny garden]

[fossil finch]

yes there is a config for the health bar and if there wasn't "delete clam health bar" suggs would be infesting the channel

[hot zephyr]

Also can't you toggle the health bar with a config?

[unreal star]

the clamity server health bar war 2020 everyone

[tawny garden]

You can

[distant gyro]

lol

[hot zephyr]

Then just do that

(I do agree that the vanilla calamity health bar is kinda fugly tbh)

[distant gyro]

if you genuinely need a reason to remove the health bar there's plenty