Title is better off as a statement than a question
#suggestions-discussion
radiant meadow
sand umbra
T3 Acid Rain (read: post-Polter) upgrade to Acidic Rain Barrel tbh ngl iirc imo
sand umbra
wot
oh. the barrel sugg
title is sttll a little shy
which won't really work for convincing people
your title needs to be CONFIDENT and FIRM to actually convince anyone to vote for your sugg
it's like running for a political position except you don't have to constantly slander everyone else
exotic stag
radiant meadow
It's okay now I guess. Not the best, but valid
ashen lark
Is it banned to suggest something for a upcoming armor set?
radiant meadow
There's no upcoming armor set so it'd be hard to suggest something for something that doesn't even exist
dapper coral
if you mean something from 1.4 that would be no bueno
wooden wedge
I mean if it's planned it's kinda redundant to sugg it
hollow shell
But if the suggestion is to add a totally new armor set (and you just worded it weirdly just now)
then that is allowed
Assuming it lies within the normal specificity rules
unreal viper
frick
craggy stratus
Frick indeed
There was a suggestion about expanding borealis bomber type of weapon
unreal viper
Hm
I'd personally prefer a way to command minions in a more detailed and involved manner, rather than adding weapons that feel more like other class weapons.
glass sentinel
an item that ports all minions
hollow shell
I mean
Summoner's Association has an item which allows you to tell minions exactly where to fire (i.e. high priority targeting wherever you click)
(and has a secondary function which teleports all minions to your cursor)
cobalt pewter
@unreal viper 
violet dagger
Ech death
cobalt pewter
Tho I'd probably say purely expanding doesn't count
limber ocean
Idk, I feel like that's not exactly what the sugg is about
cobalt pewter
But just be careful
limber ocean
but yeah, it can be interpreted as such
sand umbra
good things sentries aren't just a subclass
they're literally the ignored second half of summoner
cobalt pewter
But hey, it's still a subclass regardless because yes
hollow shell
Well this suggestion's motivation isn't to make a sentry playthrough viable
It's
sentry representation in general
sand umbra
byeah
sentries need more love in virtually every mod ever and Calamity is no exception
unreal viper
Except expanded sentries.
ashen lark
There's no upcoming armor set so it'd be hard to suggest something for something that doesn't even exist
@radiant meadow id doubt next major update adds no armor. There may be none finalised but there will prob be one.
hollow shell
Well, what were you planning on suggesting?
radiant meadow
You can doubt all you want, but I'm a dev and I'm saying the next update adds no armor.
And the next update is a hotfix.
unreal viper
Next major update then.
pine star
he meant next major update
radiant meadow
You need to ask if we'll ever get out of hotfix hell.
pine star
I doubt that
radiant meadow
And it's likely that the next major update is 1.4 port depending on the state of tmodloader.
pine star
I guess so
wooden wedge
that's most likely sometime 2021 then
radiant meadow
Moreover, even if there was upcoming armor, you'd have no idea what it'd be so there's still nothing to suggest
wooden wedge
how do you know they're not a dev alt?
valid swallow
with the sentry idea, why not make defensive sentries?
like a ravager wall style sentry or smth
glass sentinel
bc how will armor benefit them
and they're hard to balance
they tried it with relic of resilience
and that wasnt OP when it first came out
craggy stratus
It was op
valid swallow
maybe it affects aggro? idk how or if thatd work
craggy stratus
They did nerf it
craggy stratus
That was a bug tho
glass sentinel
and it could tank a whole d mode BH
glass sentinel
mhm
proper grail
The Scal drops post just hit 200
glass sentinel
where?
proper grail
How do you link posts
proper grail
On mobile?
proper grail
I think that's mine, I was referring to one a little above it
Or my link ain't working properly
violet dagger
Ye
proper grail
Yes
violet dagger
Imo rev should just drop 2
proper grail
It just hit 200
dapper coral
it'll get sent when it gets sent, but thanks for bringing this up
violet dagger
I don't like death having stuff other than cosmetics
proper grail
Death is fun. Painful but fun. There should be more cosmetic items, however I don't mind increased item drops
violet dagger
The cosmic plushie is just an easter egg and levi will probably be moved to the final bosses as they're added
But more cosmetics would be nice
radiant meadow
Levi will always be a SCal drop afaik.
Since Levi and SCal often went hand in hand so to speak, since he jumpstarted the nohitting stuff.
Much like why Gael's Greatsword is post yharon instead of post scal, specifically so it can be used on her
river glen
gael greatsword is so op lmao
glass sentinel
it was worse
heady storm
serene fox
heady storm
You could garner a ton of melee speed and make it do like 380k on SCal, yeah.
river glen
oh
crude geode
this has been suggested so many times
radiant meadow
I think so
crude geode
I’m pretty sure it’s been addressed multiple times
People also often forget the one potion that highlights projectiles iirc
radiant meadow
Cryo no longer summons a blizzard, the projectiles have glowmasks, increased the amount of light they make, not much else can be done
crude geode
@reef orbit see the above messages
fossil finch
Holy fuck
What's next?
crude geode
yeah omniscience potion
fossil finch
Make cryogen's proyectiles red or what
How do people not see them
Even without omnisence, it's really easy to see them if you are paying attention
dapper coral
granted, then you run into the argument that "well you shouldn't need a potion to fight a boss properly because you can't see his projectiles otherwise"
but the counter to that is, a lot of things have already been done to adjust for it, and besides, he's a literal ice cube, there aren't too many other ways to differentiate them
fossil finch
Hasn't the "made cryogen's proyectiles more visible" thing happened like
Thrice now?
reef orbit
gonna be frank here, I didn't even know the point had been made before, but possibly making the projectiles purple to remain in the ice theme, or a dark blue
serene fox
that wouldn't fit thematically
at all
also have you updated your mod by any chance?
they should be a good bit more visible than before
dapper coral
the most color change i could think of that would be reasonable would be like, the blue that you get when you're frozen/chilled
glass sentinel
@sand gull the reason they were removed was bc they were too like duke
also demake isnt a word
crude geode
@sand gull This suggestion is heavily influenced by personal opinion, which is really not good reasoning for a suggestion. It also lacks a lot of actual reasoning.
glass sentinel
mhm
serene fox
you could say that current yharon's last suphase is a lot less intense and challenging than before
byeah
glass sentinel
you could say that current yharon's last suphase is a lot les intense and challeenging than before
it is
sand gull
yeah
glass sentinel
i dont panic anymore
sand gull
sadly
serene fox
yes
crude geode
I didn't lol
sand gull
isn't demake a word? I read that word tons of times haha
serene fox
sub 4 was painfully bland
glass sentinel
no u
serene fox
and wasn't even difficult
glass sentinel
serene fox
glass sentinel
it wasnt difficult
sand gull
nah it wasn't that difficult but I loved it
nevermind, as I said, it's just personal opinion
crude geode
Having the final phase of 3 different bosses be the same is kind of repetitive.
sand gull
he's not my fav boss anymore
3 bosses? I thought that only he and duke had that mechanic
crude geode
actually I'm wrong, final phase of boomer duke isn't dash frenzy
sand gull
who's the other?
hollow shell
I am holding back the urge to say very harsh words about this suggestion
The dash phase was the reason why I gave up on my last playthrough
proper grail
Three days.
crude geode
I have the same exact feelings tbh Rover
serene fox
old yharon's final subphase was pretty enjoyable tbh
sand gull
I guess that I'm just going to get an old calamity file just for that fight then
everything I like gets reworked, always.
in every game lmao
violet dagger
Say that to summoners
crude geode
I despise Duke Fishron's dash phase and Yharhar's old subphase 4 mainly due to the fact that there is 1 way to dodge it, rapid dashing. It just makes shields/dashes even more necessary then they already are
violet dagger
It was pain for summoners
serene fox
summoner abuse saros and sons
dapper coral
i'm not ever a fan of dash hell tbh, both for fishron and yharon when that was a thing
it just seems a lot more monotone -- actually that's the perfect way to describe it Cursed
violet dagger
Sadcat
serene fox
yes
crude geode
yeah
serene fox
but yharon's sons fucking vore yharon
dapper coral
that they do
serene fox
getting nerfed iirc
crude geode
Freedom is a big part of why people play Terraria, and in part Calamity, so being forced to have an accessory and use a method of dodging is very restrictive.
hollow idol
Fishron p3 styled Yharon was 
for summoner. Mechworm literally the only option when it was a thing
sand gull
yeah it's repetitive, and most of his fight was like dashing and dashing, so I understand the idea of the rework
but his last subphase was 10/10 for me, it would be good if they didn't touch only that part
now it's touhou on terraria
crude geode
I think it's more unique than just Duke Fishron's Phase 3
sand gull
that is true
hollow idol
It was more unique because he occasionally spawned a flarenado and had BoC styled illusions
sand gull
YES
crude geode
tbh flarenados are an annoying part of the fight to me but that may be just me
hollow idol
I know this after rigorous testing today for one of the updates he got a rework 
crude geode
also like...yharon no longer has 8 phases so it leads to less memorization for the player of his patterns.
crude geode
It's still 6 subphases, but it's better then it was.
glass sentinel
sad
distant vault
mmmh
crude geode
So is this suggestion valid, or does it need edits?
hollow shell
Uhhh well
hollow shell
Technically it could fall under the "re-add removed features" Don't?
crude geode
it could
crude geode
Undo the Removal of Subphase 4
sand gull
thank you
hollow shell
That Don't is mostly meant for people who snort nostalgia day and night
who never used Heart Rapier once in their lives but cry over its removal
hollow shell
A bit, it does.
sand gull
I wont deny that
crude geode
It doesn't have much reasoning overall, really.
sand gull
why not?
hollow shell
I would feel better about it if the reason was expanded more
You do say that it was more exciting and required more concentration, and that it's uhh.. your personal opinion
Not sure what else could be included tho
cobalt pewter
That Don't is mostly meant for people who snort nostalgia day and night
who never used Heart Rapier once in their lives but cry over its removal
Lmao I can't at the "snort nostalgia day and night"
sand gull
you can keep every new subphase with his new attacks but bringing back the old last subphase, also this new subphase it's just two dashes then spin + fireballs everywhere
hollow idol
Didn't Heart Rapier grind Destroyer to a pulp at one point, and aside from that
crude geode
Offtopic really
sand gull
it's more challenging and funnier (for me of course) that dash then 2 then 3 then 4
while dodging the tornados that are left in the arena lmao
proper grail
My suggestion just got 200 votes 
crude geode
ok.
hollow shell
I approved it so I'll deliver it too :P
crude geode
tbh, throwing subphase 4 at the player randomly when they only have 10% left will more likely than not cause frustration since they will NOT know how to properly dodge it first time. People already rage with 1% deaths, subphase 4 is just...worse.
crude geode
subphase 8 I still am annoyed over, but I think specifically Bc of the existence of subphase 4 it was more tolerable.
sand gull
subphase 8 is the last subphase of phase 2 right?
serene fox
yes
crude geode
was*
sand gull
oh I loved that
serene fox
I honestly somewhat prefer old subphase 8
sand gull
I used to get very nervous and 100% concentrated
serene fox
It was a lot more fast paced and intense than current subphase 6
sand gull
like getting closer and closer to the monitor lmao
serene fox
current final phase is rather slow since he has to charge up for his bhs
and he has a delay between his dashes
sand gull
yep
also my suggestion lacks in some points because I don't like telling other people what I don't like about certain things and I don't want to unappreciate the work of the devs in this mod
so I'm kind of shy about this
serene fox
it's fine
sand gull
but what they did to yharon just dissapointed me
crude geode
I mean, you're entitled to your opinion.
plus, suggestions is to bring up problems in the mod that can be fixed
sand gull
I don't see that in that channel
cobalt pewter
I feel like old Yharon was actually much more taxing to get used to compared to scal
Like, even if you don't look up at wiki, each of scal's subphases are noticeable to certain extents
serene fox
you can just suggest that yharon's final subphase be made more intense
if that's why you're disappointed
crude geode
yeah
serene fox
instead of bringing back old yharon
crude geode
cuz that is pretty unlikely to happen
serene fox
yeah
manic aspen
i'm not a writer
and that shouldn't matter at all because you understand what i'm saying anyway
distant vault
I mean other people probably wouldn't
hollow shell
Are you asking for that or are you stating a problem?
manic aspen
well its a suggestion i guess
hollow shell
Suggestions should be worded as requests
manic aspen
fixed it
manic aspen
wdym
hollow shell
If they can't be seen very well during the day, why directly remove em during the day?
hollow shell
Oh you mean in real life
hollow shell
You should make that a lot clearer
manic aspen
mkay
fixed
what if the boss itself is only fought at nighttime
because nighttime is colder than daytime
and it also glows
distant vault
manic aspen
it's just an idea
hollow shell
Eh nah people would dislike the restriction and time limit
manic aspen
makes sense
ashen warren
I mean, at that point in the game you would already have cosmolight
opaque slate
Uhm. You can see northern lights during daytime irl.
ashen warren
oh nevermind, you need frigid bars to craft the moonlight
manic aspen
Uhm. You can see northern lights during daytime irl.
not nearly as clearly, if at all
if this is actually the case then the effect can be made very transparent instead.
neat wave
opaque slate
@manic aspen thats true. its defiently still visible. I wouldnt completely remove during daytime
manic aspen
what if it was just a separate event entirely
opaque slate
What if it was just a visual effect. One that could occur randomly in the snow biome
frail mantle
that'd be cool i guess isn't really sufficient reasoning
tawny garden
"That'd be cool" isn't a valid reason
frail mantle
i'd rather change it to consistency with vanilla chests or something along those lines
tawny garden
"Because why not" is the stupidest reason that one could concievably imagine
frail mantle
i wouldn't say it's that bad
tawny garden
ok maybe it's not
frail mantle
but it definitely isn't sufficient
tawny garden
But it's down there
frail mantle
then add that to the suggestion
manic aspen
i did
frail mantle
o right i'm blind
tawny garden
That's better
manic aspen
im not a writer and i try not to put too much time into my suggestions because whether people understand it is all that really matters
in this case i haven't put enough thought into the original sugg
im not usually able to deliver my points as efficiently as most others, i knew what my reason was but of course i wasn't sure how to write it
heady storm
This over my sleep. 
river glen
dam, people like my fishron and betsy wings suggestion
red stratus
Undo the removal of Yharon's 4th subphase.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!
NO! NO! NO!
red stratus
Sorry, just needed to let off some steam
From a logical standpoint, that phase is only half way through the fight, so it doesn't really need to be climactic
That sort of thing only works if the fight ends when it's over
tawny garden
(yes, subphase 4 sucks, I agree)
red stratus
Even when I did the rest of the fight flawlessly, I always choked on that phase and had no health for the second form
Bad times
Not that the fight has improved much since then, but at least it's beatable now
serene fox
beatable?
tawny garden
I always was choking on that part
until I turned on the overlay minimap
that helped immensely lol
red stratus
I tried that and it still didn't help
tawny garden
dunno, maybe it's only me
red stratus
beatable?
I literally could not beat Yharon while that phase existed, no matter how hard I tried
tawny garden
ah, I didn't do any of these 
but like
it took a lot of tries to beat Phase 1, and I always died on subphase 4
river glen
abuse dashing
tawny garden
and then i got to phase 2 and got to 1% on my first try
and beat him on the third try
red stratus
The bean didn't help
I just made up my mind that I wouldn't try to beat him until they nerfed him
The worst part is that after Yharon, Supreme Calamitas felt like a walk in the park
serene fox
anyways, does anyone know why gael's 10% free damage reduction isn't listed in the tooltip?
radiant meadow
Better question is why does it have that
red stratus
Strange
heady storm
Gael’s over here vibing for ages.
river glen
i could litterally beat him as rogue in 1 try with vampiric talisman, and waifus, and core of the blood god
and just run away
from him via bobbit hook
red stratus
Well that didn't work for me
It took days of grinding the fight and slowly getting better at it to even have a chance
It was so bad that I couldn't even appreciate his theme
exotic stag
Yharon is easy if you practice bosses like duke and the eye.
cobalt pewter
@unique pawn get fargo's mutant
cobalt pewter
That's souls
ashen warren
if a boss requires a minimap to dodge, it means its badly designed
unique pawn
oh
unique pawn
oh
ashen warren
DoG
hollow shell
@unique pawn Are you gonna keep your suggestion around
fringe cloak
@cobalt pewter or just use imksushi mod
hollow shell
^
fringe cloak
or 30 potions
hollow shell
Even works with modded ammos and potions.
tawny garden
3996* 
unique pawn
oh whoop
grim tusk
So I was testing weapons against Scal (for nohit) and noticed that pole warper was noticeably bad, i decided to compare it with stardust cells (as a joke) and cells performed significantly better; i also noticed that Silva crystal triggered cell's bonus attack (Silva is probably doing true damage rather than summon damage, which causes this).
Suggestion is to buff Pole warper and make Silva crystal deal summon damage
so what do you think
hollow shell
I assume you had like a billion Pole Warpers active and not just a few?
tawny garden
wait rly
grim tusk
i summoned immat + 5 cells/warper and rest mechworm
hollow shell
Five...
grim tusk
and also tried only immat + cells and immat + warper and cells also did better somehow
imma remove reaper tooth necklace and see how it goes
hollow shell
I think I can see how something like this would happen
You can make a suggestion about it, provided you give full build & kill time info, etc
tawny garden
yeah, a sugg will be valid
hollow shell
Also Philo that doesn't make sense if he has Immat for both
hollow shell
@gusty scarab How many "on attack" effects are there in the mod
I know they exist for some armor set bonuses, but those are usually class-specific to mage or ranger or w/e
Victide being the (only?) exception
craggy stratus
for victide you have to spam the summon staff to shoot
gusty scarab
huh, i thought there would be more
hollow shell
Of course there's Luxor's but, again, class-specific. It has its own summoner effect
In fact, Victide has its own summoner effect, the lil urchin minion
No other classes have specific effects for Vic, they all share the seashell
gusty scarab
oh
radiant meadow
Victide is the only one that summoner can "proc" beside's Luxor's
wooden wedge
no pog !
ashen warren
Amidoaspoggere
tawny garden
ah, that's pretty good
"
tawny garden
iirc I've seen another high quality pog emoji that didn't get a lot of stars
this one
hollow shell
indeed
ashen warren
No
?
tawny garden
no
ashen warren
Sad!
ashen warren
Because I want to shout when I make typos
sturdy geyser
i agree with notaducc
i think it would greatly increase the quality of the server and lower toxicity
tawny garden
void kelp
i need someone who s a decent writer to write about the need for amidias pogggerw
sturdy geyser
uhh me im good at this
ashen warren
Calamity thened
void kelp
:letsufckinggooooooo:
ashen warren
Unlike others
craggy stratus
remember to put "sponsored by spider"
tawny garden
ashen warren
Inb4 someone kills us for getting offtopic
dapper coral
that's when i kill you
sturdy geyser
I made my suggestion, how is it
tawny garden
that's when i kill you
try
tawny garden
iirc all other emoji suggs have proposed the emoji name as well
sturdy geyser
oh okay
tawny garden
add pogu
but but
that's not calam related
gray nebula
im not using emotes because theyre calamity related or not
sturdy geyser
i added the emote name to the title
radiant meadow
but pogu is just better
gray nebula
^^^^^^
sturdy geyser
pogooo is even better
wooden wedge
hage is very calamity related
sturdy geyser
it is
gray nebula
all the calamity emote edits usually are worse in terms of clarity and emotion conveyed
sturdy geyser
ashen warren
PogU is good
gray nebula
not saying aym's amidias pog is bad but compared to pogu its not what id use at all
radiant meadow
fals
civic pond
ben hates it, that means its good
radiant meadow
I hate a lot of things.
gray nebula
recognizable
sturdy geyser
choggers
civic pond
I mean really im not against any more cal related emotes mainly 'cause of the sheer amount of slots we have left
ashen warren
Choggers no
radiant meadow
I'm not against the emote, I just agree with Iban that pogu is just better
ashen warren
It is
sturdy geyser
i agree
civic pond
yeah ofc
mossy badge
thank you for doing this
civic pond
~~why not just add both 
~~
ashen warren
mossy badge
i suggested it when i saw it in lore server
but i didnt know how to format
so thanks
ashen warren
Replace unanimated pogfish yeah
gray nebula
(also i kind of feel like this is an enormous exageration but thats basically what all the emote suggs are 
)
unreal viper
civic pond
emote sug reasoning is just 
in general
gray nebula
yeah
civic pond
so i cant really hold it against it
sturdy geyser
yeah i am very fnny i nojknow
civic pond
unreal viper
Add it because yes
pine star
gray nebula
please add 
to the server : why it conveyrs unprecedented levels of bruh, hate , and also demonicness. no emotes here come close to its godly aura of sheer evil
foggy plover
I think it'd be cool+
civic pond
Yeah that
sturdy geyser
(also i kind of feel like this is an enormous exageration but thats basically what all the emote suggs are :hahah:)
idk amidias pretty cool frotl....
,,
gray nebula
look into its eyes and you might catch a glimpse of satan himself
civic pond
add 
because it would be cool. the only animated pog emote we have is pogfish and is NOT calamity related.
sturdy geyser
yes
ashen warren
dmon is good
civic pond
you could just copy and paste the reasoning for all sadcats and just bring them here
ashen warren
Sad cats are ech
gray nebula
oh also emote sugg but bypassing the suggestion process
could
those be replaced with
same thing but more lively and more zoomed in
sturdy geyser
i say yes
civic pond
I don't really see why not
ashen warren
What's the big difference?
gray nebula
the bobbing up and down and the extra zoom
gray nebula
I'm not saying those 2 emotes are useful because ngl I'd remove them personally but they're animated emotes so there's a lot of slots for those
if you're gonna have them at least make em good
civic pond
gray nebula
pogging
civic pond
gray nebula
can probably be renamed to sleepy spirit and ocean spirit too
instead of the orb sleep/awake
hollow shell
Gonna need some input from Vorbis @tulip parcel
(who... isn't in this server anymore, uh oh)
dapper coral
oh buddy
tawny garden
dapper coral
are they in patreon?
hollow shell
I share no servers with them
so, not art, not Patreon, not any other Terraria or mod related servers
(I'm not in all of em but I'm in a good amount)
dapper coral
ah
tawny garden
have they also changed their name, moved to a different country, etc.
hollow shell
(they got the same pfp and username as they did when they were active here so)
tawny garden
ah
hollow shell
(either not much else has changed, or they quit Discord entirely and haven't touched it in a long time)
Oh fuck they're friends with Fabsol tho, prolly for a DM
tawny garden
ask through fab
hollow shell
(they're also friends with Sequence, but Sequence isn't active here anymore)
tawny garden
dapper coral
so then, this sugg is basically just invalid rn
tawny garden
and you don't share other friends with them, Rover?
hollow shell
I keep my friends list pretty short so no, just those two
tawny garden
so then, this sugg is basically just invalid rn
@dapper coral was the policy changed? I don't recall anything on that yet
dapper coral
well, if the donor doesn't exist, we can't suggest changes to it
hollow shell
Exception to the rule is the ancient developer items
dapper coral
yee
tawny garden
If that person isn't around anymore, then permission isn't required and you can simply post the suggestion.
either change this
or it's valid
dapper coral
mmmm that's definitely not true anymore, i think
hollow shell
Ehhh yeah I'm wondering what best course of action would be
dapper coral
since i got yelled at by ben the last time i suggested otherwise
tawny garden
well, the doc is defined as The Truth, so I dunno about that
radiant meadow
I can still yell at you
wintry wharf
might wanna run, demik. be quick, too.
hollow shell
c'mon Philo you just said that we can change the doc
cobalt pewter
Since there's a lack of way of actually contacting the person in question (save for the middlemen like Fab and Sequence)
tawny garden
am I contradicting myself again
dapper coral
yes
tawny garden
radiant meadow
People pay to have an item in the game, not to have an item in the game that someone suggests be changed later.
cobalt pewter
I feel like it'd be a bit of work to get the person to be contacted about a single suggestion, so yeah, I guess just ! for now
dapper coral
if they don't exist in the server or aren't immediately contactable, i don't think it's worth the effort
tawny garden
that's a good point, Ben
radiant meadow
It's a pretty shitty patreon reward if it's subject to change by randos
if you ask me
wintry wharf
true
sturdy geyser
donor items make me suffer
tawny garden
also damnit until now I completely ignored that the sugg requests a change to a Pink Floyd reference
I hate the sugg now
radiant meadow
Also Dark Spark is like number 1 on Fab's list of fuck this is painful to code weapons iirc
so have fun with that
sturdy geyser
cobalt pewter
So yeah, at this point the sugg doesn't even have any more reasons to exist for more than a hour from now
Might as well yeet it
tawny garden
so yeah @hollow shell I guess change the doc
dapper coral
i'm gonna remove it for now because the donor literally does not exist anywhere to ask permission from
now, ig we're gonna change the doc to "if the donor isn't around, you cannot suggest a change to their item"?
hollow shell
I'll specify the difference between the old old devs items and the Patreon items
tawny garden
"This rule applies even if the dedicatee can't be reached."
hollow shell
Can you send screenshot @wintry wharf
wintry wharf
sure
hollow shell
(screenshot Leafblower too for reference)
Yeah this suggestion seems fine
Prolly would use Chaos State like all the other teleport items, even despite the randomness
wintry wharf
yeah i don't think i can, the leaves are too high in velocity to capture
exotic stag
you can use a recording software
dapper coral
then take a video and get a frame from it
exotic stag
Yeah
radiant meadow
autopause?
wintry wharf
i don't do that
dapper coral
then do it
hollow shell
Autopause could work
dapper coral
or autopause
wintry wharf
i suppose autopause would
dapper coral
smh philo promoting gif fluff
exotic stag
yep
tawny garden
wintry wharf
does it work by random or does it have to strike the enemy
exotic stag
The leaf blower or the set?
radiant meadow
Every time you use an item after getting enough magic crits
wintry wharf
set
radiant meadow
Check leaf blower first
radiant meadow
If leaf blower has the issue, then it's a vanilla "issue"
wintry wharf
i'll check leafblower
exotic stag
Ah i see
wintry wharf
gotta get it first tho
exotic stag
the leaf handle is backwards
hollow shell
(I assume they're travelling from left to right in that screengrab)
grim tusk
Is 5:25 a good kill time? (includes monologue)
exotic stag
For?
grim tusk
on Scal, ripperless
frail mantle
one moment
hollow shell
Nah
grim tusk
its for a sugg
exotic stag
oh
hollow shell
It's about a sugg he was talking about earlier
exotic stag
I didnt read it so i didnt know 
radiant meadow
5:25 is pretty normal, a tad on the slow side
grim tusk
i should have used godmode for testing lul
frail mantle
SCal's kill time is supposed to be at 5 minutes with normal gear in rev
radiant meadow
5 minutes is the rough goal
grim tusk
also weapon: Stardust cells
hollow shell
Purely cells, nothing else?
radiant meadow
Cells are just dumb
grim tusk
(used reaper necklace when summoning, swaped it to sponge) used immat as support
radiant meadow
and I don't know why silva crystal procs them
hollow shell
(I don't think that's how that works Storm, pretty sure summon damage updates live now)
frail mantle
it does
grim tusk
i recorded it
frail mantle
iirc it's done that for a few years now
grim tusk
hollow shell
yeah like if you swapped out RTN then your already-summoned minions would get weaker
grim tusk
oh then cells are stronger than i thought
exotic stag
Or its the immaterializer.
grim tusk
I expected like 10 minute fight
frail mantle
well if you had Immaterializer as well i suspect it was doing most of the heavy work, not the Cells
grim tusk
time to do pole warper
hollow shell
Yeah question
How fast does she die if you don't summon anything else, and you're just using Immat and GSA and PSA and the set bonus minions?
grim tusk
time to test that as well
hollow shell
I would do that one first
Oh fuck yeah SCal has sound effects now. Glad those're finally in
exotic stag
Death mode rod cooldown? not for magic mirror thats for sure
dapper coral
@ashen warren do you want the debuff to be applied at all times, or just in death, or only during bossfights in death, or what? because your title seems to imply all times, but your reasoning suggests otherwise
exotic stag
Also use bold i guess..
The way you do bold is 2 asterisks (*) on either side of the message
hollow shell
You don't need to bold it.
radiant meadow
rod nerf is universal, not just in death mode
exotic stag
yep.
dapper coral
all you need is a line break
hollow shell
ye and you don't mention Death in your top line
ashen warren
All times but the death mode examples are used to shown as an example of how effective the items are to cheese
dapper coral
since sugg bot is down, the people who put it in voting will bold it for you
ashen warren
I'll fix bolding
dapper coral
you don't need to at all, yes
wintry wharf
got the leafblower, had to move forward a bit so i could capture
they're kinda everywhere
exotic stag
yeah its backwards
hollow shell
How do you know that, Mr. Seal?
river glen
well
exotic stag
that would mean the set is backwards
wintry wharf
hello meggy
hollow shell
(I would prefer if Fluffkins said it instead of just taking his word for it that "they're going backwards" despite not saying which direction they're travelling, kinda ruins the point of taking a screenshot)
exotic stag
yeah i'd use a video instead. kinda more proof there
wintry wharf
if you guys are more confused i'll fix the screenshots
hollow shell
Gif or video would help
I use Gyazo, it's free
and fast
did that like 5 seconds ago
exotic stag
I use obs.
wintry wharf
here's a better image
exotic stag
Rover
wintry wharf
going backwards like the set bonus
river glen
hm
wintry wharf
go ahead then
river glen
interesting
exotic stag
Alright once my school is up.
wintry wharf
recording is more effective but i don't even have a recording software and i don't wanna remove more memory space LOL
exotic stag
I'll record past 3:30 if thats fine.
wintry wharf
it could be the texture pack, y'know
exotic stag
Try turning it off?
hollow shell
I have the internal sprites for vanilla and the texture pack so I can check
wintry wharf
neat
exotic stag
Yeah i dont use the texture pack either.
hollow shell
Doesn't seem like they're different in your screenshots
so yeah I think it just, doesn't get changed by the pack
grim tusk
Immat gets 5:30 (short monolgue, Cell's time did have the full Scal monologue)
frail mantle
does the Calamity projectile use the vanilla sprite?
hollow shell
Ah so Cells shortened the fight by like
20ish seconds?
frail mantle
seems so
exotic stag
with the monologue it seems cells do better
grim tusk
Immat took more than expected on brothers
grim tusk
ye
hollow shell
Tarra set bonus literally uses the Leaf Blower projectiles, directly...
We coulda saved time if I checked that first
wintry wharf
oh
radiant meadow
That's why I said to check leaf blower
grim tusk
found a bug with warper
maybe thats why it does so low dmg
charging it doesnt increase its damage
hollow shell
Isn't that the case for all charged summon weps?
grim tusk
imma check
hollow shell
like, I thought that was a deliberate decision
The summon weapons aren't even listed on the Charge page
foggy plover
that is intentional
they do not receive damage boosts from charging, you just have to charge them to use the weapon
radiant meadow
Yeah, that's what Ozz said
foggy plover
that was changed to all weapons, seal
radiant meadow
no weapons can be used without charge
radiant meadow
yes
foggy plover
it was changed in the last hotfix I think
grim tusk
ok deleted report
Warper ended the fight in 4:55 (Short monologue, with immat)
With big monologue it would be arround 5:15 ish
Now to test an actual known to be viable wep such as mechworm
Mechworm did 5:00 (but i did get hit more often here)
On glass it seems that warper doesnt do as much though
radiant meadow
Mechworm is getting reworked and rebalanced next update
sand umbra
I can sorta see Teleporters getting Chaos State if you stretch the definition of cheese a bit
but to what end would you do it for Magic Mirror ever 
radiant meadow
magic mirror and friends are disabled while scal is alive for some reason
other than that, idk
sand umbra
I'm pretty sure that's to prevent teleporting out of her box
has nothing to do with cheesing her, it has to do with not literally fucking you over for accidentally using your cell phone
tawny garden
can't you teleport out of the box with RoD
pine star
Also why would you use magic mirror during a boss fight?
grim tusk
nurse cheese
sand umbra
yes, however: if you do it with RoD there's a significantly higher chance you know what you're doing
tawny garden
ah
sand umbra
and also you can't exactly ban RoD from teleporting to a certain place without hilarious ItemCheck IL or some other fantastic meme
the example I gave is just a terrible idea if you want Calamity to remain properly compatible with
anything
vocal grotto
Couldn't you just use CanUseItem return false?
tawny garden
then you won't be able to use it in the box
sand umbra
and if you do it on a "cursor is outside of SCal box" condition (if you manage to do so) that'll make people wonder why their RoD only works part of the time
exotic stag
pine star
True
vocal grotto
Why not just give it a visual effect if you try?
vocal grotto
Something that screams "hey this isn't something you should do"
exotic stag
like wall of flesh magic mirror
exotic stag
or what if
exotic stag
what if you use crystyl crusher though
pine star
Maybe Scal being like "Why are you doing that?"
exotic stag
and break the box.
pine star
exotic stag
Would scal kill you for breaking the box?
sand umbra
You can't just run from your problems forever.
exotic stag
nice
vocal grotto
Honestly, I'd say that's your fault.
A magical box appearing is pretty transparent in what it means imo
tawny garden
anyway all this doesn't matter cause she enrages and also cause the box has other holes
grim tusk
Ok for my sugg seems like warper is actually quite balanced, but i dunno when i tried to nohit with it it did pretty bad compared to worm and cells
exotic stag
and destroy the block you used
pine star
That sounds like she will be permanently ANGERY
exotic stag
yeah since the biome box
doesnt exist
wait are the blocks capable of making a biome because it seems like it.
tawny garden
I'm pretty sure she won't be angery if you stay near the place you spawned her
tawny garden
even if the box is nonexistent
exotic stag
as long as you stay within the box she makes
vocal grotto
Yeah, in terms of code it's just an invisible rectangle that she checks
grim tusk
Imma test after online school some glass setups (ill use godmode since nohitting her everytime is just no)
exotic stag
and if you leave that biome she enrages
grim tusk
Yes
sand umbra
because uh
exotic stag
I dont play summoner so f
tawny garden
online school glass setups
sand umbra
if it's doing badly compared to worm and cells
I think there are. more than a few issues to be addressing
grim tusk
online school glass setups
Oops
And if cells did kinda ok on Scal theres also an issue to adress
(Not to mention silva crystal increasing cell firerate somehow)
grim tusk
Yes
sand umbra
did even remotely good on SCal?
vocal grotto
excuse me
dapper coral
cells are a weapon
tawny garden
ye
vocal grotto
grim tusk
With immat support (cuz just cells is )
exotic stag
immat support.
sand umbra
oh immat support that makes me much less concerned
because Immat is, y'know, an on-tier weapon
exotic stag
yep
grim tusk
tawny garden
still weird that immat + cells is better than immat + pole warper
grim tusk
Went immat rest cells
sand umbra
somehow I feel like you'd get a better idea of how the balance between these things goes
exotic stag
that still doesnt..
sand umbra
how long did it take
grim tusk
https://youtu.be/0YHJAniL0pg heres the full nohit, its verified
In summary with the gear that i used they took 2 mins
grim tusk
- psa
exotic stag
Uh psa? (not fluid summoner)
grim tusk
Profaned soul artifact
grim tusk
Its pretty good even after rust and dust nerfed it
exotic stag
the fact it requires summoner armor and nerfs most melee weps
it nerfs many weps
and your defense too
grim tusk
time to do Scal, no immat, no PSA, no GSA to see how good cells actually are (class ended 15 mins earlier and i have time before next class starts)
tawny garden
the madlad
grim tusk
ye no they suck on Scal (max dps was like 5k)
Cells are good on ML
and could work on Night provi and Polter (cuz debuff)
hollow shell
(Cuz like Storm's using a setup that has Immat and GSA and PSA and Auric set bonus minions
The addition of cells just takes some seconds off the kill time)
grim tusk
Pole warper was also kinda bad withouth immat and the other stuff
did do 7 times more dmg than cells as expected
but 21 slots of warpers doesnt compare to the power of 1 immat
hollow shell
(which, reminder, requires 10 slots)
Only one can exist at a time but
yeah
It does seem like Warpers should be buffed and maybe Immat nerfed?
grim tusk
yea 21 slots of warpers did like 45k while 1 immat did like 90k
radiant meadow
both maybe?
tawny garden
Make it possible to summon multiple immats
radiant meadow
How about no
radiant meadow
in capital letters, bolded, and italicized
grim tusk
and strikethrough
tawny garden
I know that it's impossible to balance, that's why it's in strikethrough
dapper coral
fair
exotic stag
Or maybe make a stealth set for it
hollow shell
mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm ye possibly
sand umbra
giving Cloaking Glands some big-time use for rogue sounds perfect
exotic stag
I mean it would make sense.
hollow shell
I like the idea of a stealth-focused armor set
hollow shell
Cloaking Cloak
sand umbra
rogue is still in need of some unique content at certain points in the game (and honestly just more unique content in general)
where better to place that content than in perhaps Calamity's most memorable (and by a wide margin its most stealth-focused) custom biome?
hollow shell
I am big support of stealth armor idea
I don't expect it to come to fruition soon but, I would like it
dapper coral
how many stealth armors are there? i only know of titan heart but i don't play rogue so idk
whole sedge
I am big support of cloaking glands actually getting a reason to exist
hollow shell
Titan Heart, Umbraphile (and Forbidden Circlet) are the only armors you could say have a "focus" on stealth, just cuz they have on-stealth-strike effects
All the others just give you a max stealth and then have unrelated effects
sand umbra
rogue-specific sets that exist include Snow Ruffian, Sulphurous, Titan Heart, Umbraphile, and Empyrean
of these, only Titan Heart and Umbraphile really put any focus on stealth at all effect-wise
radiant meadow
Coincidentally, they were the ones I programmed
sand umbra
confirmed
dapper coral
i see
sand umbra
byeah only 2 of rogue's 5 unique sets focus at all on stealth, which is kinda scuffed because stealth is the main unique thing rogue has 
hollow shell
I'm talkin like
a one-off armor set in late-PreHM or early-mid-HM that gives you like
DGS level stealth generation
but at the cost of not a lot of other stats
dapper coral
then all the more reason for more stealthy thingies with cloaking glands
exotic stag
The thing i was gonna sugg with the cloaking glands was a pre cryo sort of set