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#suggestions-discussion
vital marlin
radiant meadow
I think Hide of Terra is the BL2 item
vital marlin
actual typo btw
yeah i made the mistake since they are similar items and the calamity one references bl2
tawny garden
it would be pretty sick
not a good reason
vital marlin
anything cosmetic is subjective
dont think i need to explain tht i said that because i think it would look good
hollow shell
You could mention Brand of the Inferno, as that relies on shield visuals to function
It's a bit of a specific case but it is currently the most salient definition of a shield
foggy plover
hide of terramorphous is the bl2 item
vital marlin
i actually dont really use the brand so i didn't test its interactions
thanks for the tip tho
ill mention it
hollow shell
You could point out that Brand relies on shield visuals
otherwise it just seems like a random comment
tawny garden
:taxisunavoidable:
hollow shell
@worthy lintel You wanna mention 
?
hollow shell
Maybe, but it exists
if more Evasions are added, whose to say people will use them often 🤔
sturdy geyser
tax evasion is already really good
exotic stag
sturdy geyser
better than tbh
tawny garden
it's so perfect that any variation will be worse
exotic stag
amidias evasion just looks like hes pouting
hollow shell
I always saw the separation between blue and yellow as the mouth, but thas prolly incorrect
i.e. mouth is slightly agape
dapper coral
pretty sure the mouth is that little stitch-like line on the snout
hollow shell
m yeah
exotic stag
yeah its right below the mouth
which then mario punches its head
and the mouth opens
violet dagger
https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/672984982263955466.png?v=1 this is beautiful tho
it is unspoken of
exotic stag
yes
summer sentinel
better than
truth
exotic stag
mossy badge
https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/672984982263955466.png?v=1 this is beautiful tho
@violet dagger OMFG
WHAT IS THAT
ughhhhh
that actually scares me
fr
tawny garden
it's amazing
tawny garden
que?
sleek turret
you cannot escape the tax
tawny garden
what if I'm not
violet dagger
:fear:
tawny garden
:nofear:
exotic stag
tawny garden
too many seals
exotic stag
yes
tawny garden
yeah, it's a Unicode standard emoji
steep whale
make a boss after supreme calamitas
dapper coral
new bosses aren't allowed to be sugged @steep whale
dapper coral
i suggest you read the document in the pins
whole sedge
read #suggestions-posting pins then
dapper coral
it says what you cannot suggest
steep whale
sorry
pine star
Also, why did get made
worthy lintel
Why did get made? Excellent question
hollow shell
It's easier if you see his head-neck separation as the mouth 
worthy lintel
worthy lintel
fishron wings are already pretty good on their own
unreal viper
Fishron wings are the best for raw flighttime and speed
Pre moon lord
And they already.kinda have a bonus, bring uneffected by water
terse sundial
^
cobalt pewter
Tho I did suggest the similar thing for Betsy's
hollow shell
ye it's just that
Fishron and Betsy's are great wings in and of themselves
glass sentinel
but fishron wings are so annoying to get
glass sentinel
but fishron wings are so OP based on their flight alone
cobalt pewter
Fishron Wings are less cbt than Betsy's
river glen
fine whatev
cobalt pewter
And my sugg about adding a perk to Betsy's was approved iirc
glass sentinel
whats cbt?
cobalt pewter
river glen
its comparable to exodus wings
and fishron wings are worse than exodus wings
because by logic
duke is post golem
glass sentinel
so they dont need a bonus
river glen
or by most players
sooo frozen wings need a bonus
best wings at that stage of the game
till fishron
pretty much
glass sentinel
frozen wings do have a bonus
river glen
yeah ik that
glass sentinel
feedzuh what does cbt stand for?
cobalt pewter
Betsy needs a bonus because it has, like, slightly worse stats than Fishron, while being much, much harder to get
river glen
u just have to kill betsy
glass sentinel
ffs
serene fox
nothing else
glass sentinel
ofc
river glen
@cobalt pewter WTF is CBT stand for
glass sentinel
Fishron Wings are less cbt than Betsy's
glass sentinel
but
river glen
he is asking
serene fox
anyways, why do fishron wings need a bonus exactly?
cobalt pewter
Betsy's Wings are much harder to get for something that's slightly worse than Fishron Wings
serene fox
you can arma farm but that's rather exploitative of a bug that devs can't fix so
river glen
so i figured to give it something special as well
it can be as small as a small damage increase while in the oceon
cobalt pewter
Technically fishron wings already got a perk
glass sentinel
theres a reason why fishron dont have 1
cobalt pewter
Which is water-based boosts
rose jewel
They do from vanilla it is the flipper affect
cobalt pewter
you can arma farm but that's rather exploitative of a bug that devs can't fix so
Cool bug's fact: arma and defiled will no longer have rewards according to ozza
river glen
i guess fishron wings are too good
serene fox
any other wings that don't have a set bonus?
river glen
but many players cant beat fishron
cobalt pewter
Not that I remember
serene fox
well ig for the sake of consistency this can work
river glen
well. ur gonna have to make ur arena in the oceon
cobalt pewter
I would consider Fishron Wings' water-based boosts qualify for the perk
cobalt pewter
The only wing that doesn't have a perk is actually Drew's Wings iirc
But it already got great flight stats
river glen
"while wearing tavernkeep armor, you get +1 minion and +1 sentry"
serene fox
right
serene fox
tbh I could see drew's getting a bonus with say auric tesla
not like anyone runs the damned things anyway
could give people more incentive to use them
cobalt pewter
I actually runs Drew vs scal kek
whole sedge
Yeah I could see drew's getting a bonus with Auric to give more of a reason to use them over the tracers 
serene fox
I do as well
glass sentinel
i cant defiled sounds
serene fox
but a majority of people just opt for tracers
river glen
wel
river glen
more flight time vs more horizontal movement speed
cobalt pewter
I craft drew into tracers after I killed scal
river glen
and more horizontal speed just feels comftorable
glass sentinel
for scal you want precise movement
whole sedge
(and some other random boosts that the tracers give that nobody really cares much about 
)
river glen
like i had mothron wings and they felt so stale and sllow
serene fox
they really don't
river glen
i relized that
cobalt pewter
Yes
river glen
after u told me
serene fox
but for the sake of consistency, this could work
glass sentinel
fair
cobalt pewter
If you said Betsy's need one, then yes, I already suggested it months ago, approved even
Again, I find that Fishron's water boosts qualify as a perk
glass sentinel
mhm
river glen
again
cobalt pewter
In fact, only Fishron Wings got that kinda perk in vanilla
glass sentinel
maybe they could make it get a buff in the rain or something
glass sentinel
and astral wings
cobalt pewter
Hover is more of an alternate mechanic than a perk
glass sentinel
^
whole sedge
still have yet to use hover intentionally
river glen
its saying horizontal movement vs vertical
cobalt pewter
Hoverboard is the OG hover wings
cobalt pewter
Hadarian wings has interesting hover
cobalt pewter
Tho it is kinda overshadowed by Fishron and Exodus
cobalt pewter
You can "glide" up if you started a hover while flying up
cobalt pewter
Or hover normally if you started hover while not flying
And hovering consumes less flight time
So arguably you're flying longer on hover
glass sentinel
hmm
heady storm
@rancid sable You need reasoning to tag along with your suggestion.
rancid sable
idea: let us kill the ravanger missile things
reason: it'd make the boss a lot more tolerable honestly, not having like 4 different things to dodge at once. kinda ridiculous a hardmode boss has these many attacks it can use all at once
rancid sable
especially when they all basically home in on you
glass sentinel
Title
Proper reason
wooden wedge
(make sure you add it to your actual sugg)
glass sentinel
copy everyone else's template
violet dagger
dapper coral
just use the same format as the others in posting
rancid sable
i DID scroll up
glass sentinel
even i can do it
wooden wedge
whole sedge
I think you might want to get an eye exam then
glass sentinel
copy. the. template
dapper coral
it's literally just
glass sentinel
and i also posted it
wooden wedge
also you don't need to bold it
glass sentinel
you dont?
dapper coral
nope
glass sentinel
well then
wooden wedge
the mod bots do it automatically
dapper coral
byeah every other sugg in posting follows that format currently
whole sedge
Just makes it look better
glass sentinel
Title
Reasons that are hopefully worthwhile
rancid sable
Let us kill the Ravager's projectiles it shoots
Reason: Why can we damage the walls it spawns in but not the projectiles? It'd be nice to get those out of the way while fighting it's phase 2 form, especially when those are dead on your trail and he's about to do his annoyingly precise stomping attack. That or just don't have it shoot said missiles when in phase 2 to begin with.
dapper coral
gud
river glen
ok
wooden wedge
Reminder that you can just edit your Suggs instead of posting an entirely new one
river glen
i was gonna say that....
hollow shell
You can destroy the walls?
dapper coral
you can now, ye
hollow shell
Neat
dapper coral
same with the flame pillars i think
river glen
but he meant, destroy the actual projectiles he shoots
hollow shell
But you should specify which projectiles you mean @rancid sable
Unless you mean all of the projectiles, including lasers? Or do you just mean the big nukes?
rancid sable
the nuke things
hollow shell
Specify that
river glen
rockets im guessing
golden narwhal
He doesn't shoot nukes in p2 already
hollow shell
Don't say "the projectiles"
rancid sable
the thing the ravager shoots
glass sentinel
He doesn't shoot nukes in p2 already
wot
hollow shell
Ravager shoots a lot of things, Ryzen
glass sentinel
river glen
ravager shoots shit at u
golden narwhal
That was removed last update
glass sentinel
he means the nukes rover
hollow shell
I know
glass sentinel
wow thanks devs
rancid sable
whatever they're called
hollow shell
but his suggestion says "Let us kill the Ravager's projectiles it shoots"
hollow shell
should be "Let us kill the Ravager's nukes"
glass sentinel
yea, change your sugg to say nukes
rancid sable
well at that point it's obvious i mean the ones that follow you
rancid sable
didn't know what the fuck they were honestly
hollow shell
Okay that's fine
golden narwhal
Remove the last line, since that's a thing already
rancid sable
wh
dapper coral
That or just don't have it shoot said missiles when in phase 2 to begin with.
it already doesn't do this apparently
rancid sable
but it does lol
rancid sable
every time i've gotten it to phase 2, it still shot them
radiant meadow
You sure it's not lingering nukes from phase 1?
glass sentinel
updated yet?
whole sedge
Fairly recently yeah.
golden narwhal
About a week ago
rancid sable
does it auto update or no?
golden narwhal
You on 1.4.5.003?
glass sentinel
go to the modbrowser
hollow shell
Lookin in the source, yeah only his P1 head fires the nukes.
glass sentinel
and press dat big yellow button
rancid sable
ok i was worried tmodloader wasnt opening
hollow shell
Ahhh yep, lookin in source some more
In literally the previous update, he fired nukes during P2. Got removed in this most recent update
hollow shell
They're prolly residual from P1 then
glass sentinel
is that the newest version?
hollow shell
ye
glass sentinel
oki den
ashen warren
@dapper coral you forgot the ⭐
golden narwhal
Latest sugg feels like it falls under major rework
wicked pivot
I did say its kinda a crazy large scale idea
golden narwhal
(Also, @rancid sable incredibly delayed response, but you wanna edit out the p2 parts or do smth else with the sugg?)
Yea, that's the problem, large-scale suggs are a don't
I dunno how this would fall under it tho, tbh
wicked pivot
Yeah... Low chance my suggestion would pull through, but one can hope
frail mantle
you need a reason
wicked pivot
Hmm, i forgot to add a reason
golden narwhal
O yea how did I forget that
hollow idol
Yharim has been hyped up to be a boss for years, for him to just be a "challenge" would be
frail mantle
@tawdry sail while it's nice to see other's ideas for how Yharim's fight would go, the devs already have a plan for how the fight will be
edgy sundial
future content, boss sug, overly specific; also doesn't follow format
sand umbra
also Yharim was never added to the mod proper
tawdry sail
@tawdry sail while it's nice to see other's ideas for how Yharim's fight would go, the devs already have a plan for how the fight will be
@frail mantle Thanks,I am very glad to hear that
frail mantle
yea the old Yharim fight you speak of that used to be in the mod was the LORDE, which was a joke boss
sand umbra
anywho yeah this suggestion doesn't follow the format and breaks like 3 different Don'ts
tawdry sail
should I delete it?
golden narwhal
It's a don't, so yea, it'd be best
edgy sundial
if you can make it so you're not suggesting a boss, future content, or being overly specific, then keep it. if you can't do that, then delete it
tawdry sail
ok
golden narwhal
ashen warren
lorax rude 
tawny garden
hollow shell
@wicked pivot You need your topic sentence at the top to be the main idea of your suggestion, not any kind of preface/intro text
Also, are you just asking for more crafting trees / lines?
Like just, adding a bunch more upgraded items that are crafted with existing items?
Or are you asking for a new game mechanic involving enhancing the same weapon?
tawny garden
the idea is weird if you consider it in the context of terraria's crafting system
hollow shell
If he's asking for more split options through a crafting line, and adding a buncha new upgraded weapons for em
then, it could be valid, I guess? If he makes that more clear and expands his reason a bit more. s'a good bit of effort but not out of the realm of doability.
But if he is asking for a whole new enhancement game mechanic then, no, that's not valid. Way too significant, and difficult to execute.
hollow shell
So I assume you were actually suggesting the latter, then
New enhancement system for individual weapons
wicked pivot
Yeah
hollow shell
mmmmyeah that's a bit too major for a community suggestion
wicked pivot
It might as well be an entire mod by itself with the concept huh?
hollow shell
yeah, in fact I think some mods kinda try to tackle that already
wicked pivot
Eh? What mods?
frail mantle
spirit has something kinda similar
hollow shell
Spirit Mod's got the rune enchantment thing (but that's more like adding certain attributes to any weapon, without stuff specific to certain weapons)
yeah
I wanna say Redemption has something? But I have 0 experience with that mod so I can't say
wicked pivot
I see
hollow shell
We do kinda have, like
the Rare Item Variants in Calamity
which give a different take on the base weapon
They're not directly related to their base weapons, they're usually obtained from a separate source
but, similar concept
wicked pivot
Tho similar mechanics from the original
quasi flume
What does the "!" reaction to a sugg means?
robust lava
It's explained in the pins
quasi flume
oh, sorry, didn't notice it
wicked pivot
Imma just delete my suggestion, its probably too ambitious
signal glade
i think after someone suggested the tax evasion emote get more variations most of the suggestions for me became a joke
tawny garden
3 suggs are awaitng their destination
signal glade
does scal and his brothers attacks bypass tarragon immunity?
tawny garden
@river glen "Give Fishron Wings a bonus to" to what?
robust lava
I believe it's supposed to be "too"
cobalt pewter
@zenith hazel 3 suggs haven't been submitted yet
river glen
@tawny garden it was for consistency that every wings besides it and betsy' should have one
tawny garden
I was referring to a grammatical error
sturdy geyser
tawny garden
zenith hazel
@ashen warren and muted
tawny garden
the "suggestion" is still there
zenith hazel
that should be all
tawny garden
river glen
wtf did i miss
neat wave
Add every phaseblades/phasesabers to primatic breaker recipe.
craggy stratus
that is a dedicated content
cobalt pewter
You need to ask the dedicatee for that
Also one sugg needs to be yeeted into voting
zenith hazel
that just sounds like a pain in the ass to farm
fluid mortar
i forget, does providence notify you that ravager now drops news things when she dies? was thinking about suggesting that if that isnt a thing
cobalt pewter
Calamitous beings have been inundated with bloodstones
..or something to that effect
tawny garden
"The calamitous beings have been inundated with bloodstone."
gray nebula
y on earth do we need a meme channel.
shut stump
I think it would be nice
gray nebula
saying that "having a meme channel would be good beccause it would be a channel to post memes" is kind of a tautology
shut stump
Obviously
ashen warren
it was a thing years ago but
shut stump
Like wat else am i gonna say
shut stump
U know u could just make it to were mods can only post on there
zenith hazel
what would be the point
shut stump
near shuttle
@shut stump there is no point to that, suggestion are made for the community to express their desire, and mods have some sort of real work, they can't (and probably don't want to) filter suggestion all day long.
shut stump
To be honest i already gave up trying so idk y im being pinged right now
There's no point and it had already been denied
dawn perch
nerf the cristyl crusher?
frail mantle
which part of it
tawny garden
the handle
dawn perch
combat purposes
tawny garden
you could suggest it if you provide evidence that it's busted
for the rules and other sugg-related stuff
dawn perch
k
fossil finch
I mean you can
dawn perch
well i mean boss rush is about to last 20 minutes and with the cristyl crusher lasts 10
serene fox
how
dawn perch
demonshade armor
serene fox
ok but
demonshade armor with a max glass build and a hyper optimized setup can net you like 9 minutes at best
dawn perch
like scarlet devil and elemental excalibour
i know
but even those have something that prevents insane damage kill bosses in 10 seconds
ex:
elemental excalibur+reaper tooth necklake+core of the blood god + elysian aegis +dimensional soul artifact + the amalgam +elemental gauntlet
and demonshade armor
serene fox
what does this have to do with crystyl crusher being overpowered?
dawn perch
that elemental excalibur ignores inmunity frames
serene fox
what
robust lava
wrong channel sand
wooden wedge
I meant don'ts
robust lava
I have to stop myself as well
wooden wedge
read both
sand umbra
that is in fact the wrong pinned important document 
sand umbra
robust lava
How long until every channel gets named #channel-name-read-pins
tawny garden
Sand banned from using Staff Mail (real Oct 2020 colorized)
dawn perch
._.
dry latch
imo, it should be the other way around: #read-pins-channel-name. that way, people would have absolutely no reasonable excuse to not knowing that they should read the pins
can we even suggest channel renames?
tawny garden
yes, it's allowed
there's a problem with that though
people might now know that they need to read pins, but
they won't realize what channel they're in
wooden wedge
(but they won't read them)
wooden wedge
and that happens even if the channel names don't have anything else added to them
I've seen people talk about #help-advice-read-pins stuff in #wiki-discussion
the only way to solve this issue is to make a singular channel for every single topic
tawny garden
rename #bugs-read-pins to #bugs
dry latch
those people don't read channel names anyway
robust lava
Roblox clan moment
tawny garden
mhm
neat wave
reduce luxor's gift melee projectile's bounce sound.
its louder than everything.
for no reason.
tawny garden
suggestions are to be submitted in #suggestions-posting
AFTER YOU READ ALL PINS
wooden wedge
this has been sugged many times before hasn't it?
I'm pretty sure it's a known issue
young scaffold
One message removed from a suspended account.
neat wave
@tawny garden im sorry
dry latch
I know that it has been sugged at least 3 times
neat wave
i thought sugg must be discuss before posting.
dry latch
one of those was from me
tawny garden
nah, not necessarily
sugged 3 times, but none reached the req
#suggestions-voting message
#suggestions-voting message
#suggestions-voting message
dry latch
mine isn't on that list, so it's actually 4
neat wave
i hope these sugg will reach the req.
dry latch
tawny garden
ah
dry latch
tho mine was just for tools
tawny garden
wouldn't be classified as a bluecheck
dry latch
can it be considered a bug tho? like sound bug or something
tawny garden
🤷♂️
ashen warren
Why
dapper coral
a) you can't reaaaally suggest specific enemies
b) you have to have a reason
neat wave
@dapper coral my apologize.
ashen warren
Good
dapper coral
neat wave
reduce microwave's sound?
reason: yes its too loud.
wooden wedge
another known thing iirc
tawny garden
a) you can't reaaaally suggest specific enemies
@dapper coral the doc actually says in plaintext that it's disallowed, so
wooden wedge
the microwaves sound sometimes gets bugged
iirc it can sometimes play in the main menu
dapper coral
oh does it? last time i checked it was just highly discouraged, noice
neat wave
will i get mute?
dapper coral
why would you
tawny garden
no, of course not
neat wave
because of the "supreme green slime" for no reason.
dapper coral
no, you're fine lol
neat wave
aw thank you.
dapper coral
you will never be formally punished for making a suggestion that is invalid
hollow shell
(Specific enemies were indeed not explicitly disallowed for a while, but I decided that was weird and there was no need for it so I just banned em outright)
dapper coral
(gotchu)
tawny garden
ye, I remembered
tawny garden
iirc there's a mod that does that
unreal viper
So make iron heart work for lifesteal.
Iron heart kills regen but not lifesteal
I don't know why.
cobalt pewter
Lifesteal op idk
crystal iron
Flight
unreal viper
Sugg that it kills lifesteal
sleek turret
iron heart would be like an armaggedon but you survive in between 2-5 hits.
unreal viper
Why the frick does it let you have lifesteal anyway.
dapper coral
defiled rune is the one that disables flight
crystal iron
Ah
sleek turret
iron heart has lifesteal anyways.
dapper coral
so yes actually, suggesting that iron heart remove lifesteal along with life regen would probably be better
tawny garden
[[Armageddon]] et al. if you forget what they do
red stormBOT
sleek turret
Yeah, I agree with Demik, reminders of those games with heart-type health-bar.
tawny garden
mb a config for Iron Heart
sleek turret
river glen
is it possible
to make lifesteal from other mods follow calamities lifesteal rule as well
because i feel like that sugg is helpful
tawny garden
mods can't control entities from other mods
fluid mortar
if i suggested that there be a condition to be met for ashen stalactite to be able to drop so you can't get it super early, would that be rejected?
tawny garden
you could try
tawny garden
(although I don't fully understand what you mean)
cobalt pewter
If you're patient enough, you can get Stalactite pre boss ig
Since you can farm imps early game if you so desire
mossy badge
noice
cobalt pewter
Though
I'd personally think it'd be against the non-linearity shenanigans Calamity loves
Albeit not so bad of an offension
hollow shell
You know that's the point right @crystal iron
You're supposed to rely on lifesteal and Hearts for healing
(kinda like Hollow Knight, you need to hit/kill enemies in order to build up SOUL which lets you heal damage)
cobalt pewter
I wonder how exactly it works, I mean if it's possible to integrate the entire system into Iron Heart and ban every other healing sources, including lifesteal
hollow shell
Yeah we could prolly disable lifesteal with Iron Heart active
but it was intentionally chosen to not do that
(also koora's suggestion is really small and weak overall so ❗.
We don't balance around other mods.)
cobalt pewter
What I'm saying is that if the SOUL system could be integrated into Iron Heart, that'd be way interesting than just lifesteal
cobalt pewter
Hmm yea
hollow shell
I'd be fine with it but ¯_(ツ)_/¯
This works
Lifesteal already exists as healing by dealing damage
craggy stratus
relic of convergence is similar to soul healing right
hollow shell
Kinda yeah
cobalt pewter
Or, maybe give iron heart innate lifesteal that doesn't require items, but other sources of lifesteal is disabled?
So like
Your only source of healing is that
The difficulty
craggy stratus
passive lifesteal that cant be increased?
cobalt pewter
Ye basically ig
craggy stratus
it is kinda wack that ashen alachite has a really low drop rate
hollow shell
Found it, took some searching
So, yeah
You're meant to heal through non-potion items i.e. life steal
crystal iron
Ah k
river glen
hmm @fluid mortar seems nice but its the underworld
unless ur super experience
ur not usually going to underworld pre boss
frail mantle
well the thing with Ashen Stalactite is that you need to farm Underworld enemies to get it
hollow shell
Yeah it's not much of an issue considering
by the time you reach the Underworld and can farm for the weapon, you ought to be prepared enough to receive it
(and are rewarded for dealing with the Underworld at that point)
also bosses aren't the only thing defining progression especially in PreHM but I know a lot of things do
river glen
theoreticly u can just get a weapon
and just have a squirell staff
and just farm it out
safelu
while nothing cant hurt u
frail mantle
imps and calcium worms can
frail mantle
if you try hiding in blocks, that is
hollow shell
(I doubted Koora's DoG sugg but after seeing the GitGudWO video in #youtube-videos I now understand)
river glen
yeah
limber ocean
the second part of the fight feels fine for the most part
the first part is rather underwhelming, though
crystal iron
Jesus Christ I feel like an angry 5 year old ;(
hollow shell
Ah
hardy wing
is there still a suggestion bot
hollow shell
Yes, it's currently down though
Amber runs all/most of our bots and she's experiencing some troubles atm
hollow shell
Once Amber gets things sorted out you could ask her
either, how to make one or just ask her to make one for you
the former would be preferable tho
violet dagger
Ye he tried a bot thing for suggestions and it was cause it sucks
Or just force terry to learn whatever language discord is on and make him so it
mossy badge
i agree with this
ashen lark
opinion on sugg?
mossy badge
i agree
ashen lark
kewl
hollow shell
I don't really think "using cheats before a playthrough" is super necessary, esp in the first sentence
cuz, it's helpful for building even in a legit playthrough
ashen lark
ye, but lots of people build with cheats
and then calamitous creatures say high due to brimstone slag
hollow shell
Indeed but it could be mentioned in a different way at least
cuz, havin it in the first sentence of the reason makes it seem like there isn't as much of a legitimate use for your sugg
ashen lark
@hollow shell in case you havent seen slightly edited.
dapper coral
remind me: are unsafe blocks the ones that actually count as the biome? and if so, you're proposing to make it like the dungeon ones where if you place them back down, they don't count as the biome, but the bought ones do?
ashen lark
ye
hollow shell
h yeah sure that's fine
ashen lark
so basically, its vanilla terraria, but you can actually buy unsafe ones
dapper coral
coolio, that sounds like a good idea to me
hollow shell
Wert you're going to need to clarify what bricks you're talking about
ashen lark
everything pmuch...
hollow shell
Which ones
ashen lark
tried it on a variety, such as cosmolite brick, profaned soul crystals (or whatever they are called) smooth brimstone slag, astralite brick, prob more.
i cant list every single brick tho
ashen lark
idk, but its about what tier you craft them at.
so anyway... whens sugg 1 going into #suggestions-voting
hollow shell
Aight, I added the pick reqs to the wiki pages that were missing em
ashen lark
ahh, thats helpful
hollow shell
Anyway
Your reason C is really weird
People cheat in the blocks but for some reason can't cheat in the pickaxe?
ashen lark
yea, but i dont really like cheating in progression items, im sure some others feel the same way.
hollow shell
But like you can just throw it out after
ashen lark
and its annoying after building something wrong you having to open up browser again, search for the pickaxe you need, etc.
hollow shell
(Also you should reword your reason A to say what has no need, i.e. "There's no need for blocks to have a mining requirement if they were crafted by the player. The player doesn't need to be prevented from mining it too early if they made it.")
Also it's always Blossom
Or Crystyl
Both of em can mine all blocks
river glen
thought my suggestion wouldnt be added
because of "fishron wings ar ealready broken without them and they have a flipper bonus"
sand umbra
I mean. it's valid
I don't agree with it and I presume some other folks don't either but it is valid
dapper coral
that is the nuance of the suggestion system, i suppose
dapper coral
if people don't agree with your change, then it doesn't come across as positive community reception
and therefore the devs don't consider it
cobalt pewter
Yeah it's valid and all, but I'd count the water boosts as a good perk already
Good perk in relative to Calamity perks
So meh
Byeah
cobalt pewter
I already suggested something for Betsy's
cobalt pewter
river glen
yooou know what
i have something
"when you are wearing tavernkeep armor, you gain +1 sentry and +5% minion damage"
may be to good to be true
but i dunno
serene fox
this'll make sentry spam even more dumb
signal glade
I finally fucking done it
hollow shell
puh
signal glade
wut
frail mantle
well we can't exactly remove it from the game, can we
signal glade
who is OOA?
limber ocean
I mean, you could just make it impossible to trigger or something
dapper coral
the old one's army event
limber ocean
dapper coral
but that would be extremely weird and probably not gud
sand umbra
hmm yes
signal glade
i mean its hardcoded in the game i dont think they can remove it
sand umbra
removing an entire event is a better idea than actually bothering to work with it
sand umbra
clearly this has no downsides that'll come back to bite one in the ass two minutes later
signal glade
HAHAHAHAHA
cobalt pewter
removing an entire event is a better idea than actually bothering to work with it
Frost Legion in a shellnut
signal glade
i think thorium did add some items to frost legion but idon't think it was noticable
sturdy geyser
thorium added a few weapons and an enemy
limber ocean
frost legion is the snowman event, right?
signal glade
but yeah removing an event because it sucks is not a valid reason maybe calamity has better plans for the event
cobalt pewter
Yes
signal glade
yes
sand umbra
Thorium adds some OOA stuff btw
signal glade
bruh
sand umbra
limber ocean
legit only did it once for the achievement
signal glade
signal glade
i wish betty is just its own boss
cobalt pewter
Me and my friends tried doing OOA T3 in multi post Golem, and we basically give up, too annoying
signal glade
fargo's soul mod did it
dapper coral
i assume you mean anytime post-ML? or do you actually mean any point throughout the game
cobalt pewter
Honestly throughout the game sounds more interesting, since AS is essentially the same thing
Old Duke phm 
dapper coral
well, i suppose that's the thing, isn't it
AS and anahita/levi are throughout the whole game, albeit rarely
but they're early-mid hm
so it is technically plausible that one could beat them in late prehm
but i think having it through the whole game would defeat the purpose, because literally nobody is gonna fight him reasonably until probably...pre-ML? at the earliest, and that is a big stretch
cobalt pewter
I guess yes
Post-ML would definitely be much more reasonable
Since non-linearity is usually limited to major points of the game (save for outliers like you mentioned)
dapper coral
okey doke
cobalt pewter
Ight changed the sugg
Now I also kinda wanna suggest for either pbg or rav
Since both are basically hard tiered post Golem
And it'd be actually consistent to replace Lihzahrd Bricks in Death Whistle with Essence of Chaos
Since the other 2 bosses that got buffed post provi used Chaos ess for their spawning
And rav is the only outlier
Plus rav is getting further and further from its relationship with Golem
dapper coral
lihzahrd bricks are indeed obtainable pre-Golem because Bohldohrs
but the other things make sense
distant gyro
Temple Key recipe is even there so that you don't have to whine that you need to hoik
even though no one uses it because hoik is too easy
cobalt pewter
I'm actually talking only the bricks
Temple Key early hm is kinda common sense by now
I'm surprised if there's still anyone going into temple first time post plant
vital marlin
how are suggestions for weapons of subclasses
are they allowed or are they still weird about it
tawny garden
if you're suggesting to add more subclass weapons at a specific moment in the game, that's a no-no
vital marlin
not specifically what i am thinking of suggesting but thanks for the heads up
something more like buffs and nerfs
balance
tawny garden
you'll prolly be fine
golden narwhal
isn't that just normal nerfing/buffing
vital marlin
yeah but the "dont" about subclasses kinda says asking for subclass buffs is a no no
even though imo thats an incredibly weird rule
golden narwhal
It just means raising subclass viability
golden narwhal
Doesn't apply to anything that doesn't mentions subclasses
vital marlin
im not gonna lie, this is all about true melee best class
i got shut down previously when ia asked for a certain change regarding it but i had a change in perspective
maybe it was that sugg specifically that was scuffed
golden narwhal
As long it's about making the weapons more viable and not true melee itself, wegud
vital marlin
its about making them more viable relative tto the tier, not just buffing them or adjusting them for whatever reason
so i might be fine
hollow shell
Well it won't completely stand on its own cuz there's still Solar Tablet Fragments @cobalt pewter
hollow shell
just a bit yeah
cobalt pewter
hollow shell
ye thas good
hollow shell
We could. We could.
golden narwhal
This is changed already next update (iirc)
Wormhole comes after all the laser walls
@ashen warren
8 - DoG phase 2 uses his rift teleport portal after his laser wall phase ends rather than just before it ends. - Done
ashen warren
so I can delete the sugg?
hollow shell
Prolly, or at least hold onto it and repost with edits after seeing how the fight is next update (if it's still needed)
but, for now it should be deleted yes
ashen warren
Are you done yet feedzuh
golden narwhal
Feedzuh on a sugg roll
signal glade
bruh
how is the main staff mail playing dm for staff issues damn he be playing issues
signal glade
gray nebula
If you flood the suggestions people will be less likely to read them all
ashen warren
wrong
signal glade
but the whistle does make sense
gray nebula
(I personally try to read every sugg but if there's a wall of text or a truckload of them I just skip agead)
signal glade
gray nebula
so having one sugg at a time works better
cobalt pewter
If you flood the suggestions people will be less likely to read them all
I already lost faith in the community reading suggs entirely anyways
:feelschungus:
The only time they'd read is when it's only like
2 sentences long
gray nebula
yeah so don't make your life harder
cobalt pewter
I'm just gonna throw whatever I have in mind at the time, rather than possibly forgetting it
Or decay in my notes
heady storm
Honestly though, try not to do over 4-5 in a single day.
cobalt pewter
Yeah, it's only 3 for now
low remnant
Is it legal to suggest a slight do-over to the Brimstone Crags? They don't feel very craggy to me, plus the way they generate does not offer a kind arena space for fighting Brimstone Elemental.
low remnant
but I'm guessing frowned upon to some degree?
low remnant
ah, ok. Maybe I'll hold off for now
golden narwhal
iirc some form of crag rework is defo coming in a few decades
tawny garden
no, you can sugg it again
low remnant
I figured it was worth asking considering Brimstone Elemental fight usually needs some verticality and the biome on the whole is quite flat
golden narwhal
Agreed
low remnant
let me just star that one real quick
low remnant
👀
cobalt pewter
Giving a shrine to spawn brimmy in sounds interesting
at this point, half of cal bosses should have shrines
tawny garden
low remnant
I'm also reluctant because I don't think it's necessary for the biome to be modified - something like the Jungle doesn't offer good space for an arena without you having to nuke half the biome
cobalt pewter
Jungle is big, so it's excused imo
tawny garden
yeah, crag is smol
cobalt pewter
And since crags sometimes can have charred ores between slags
tawny garden
but the boss isn't smol
cobalt pewter
It'd be annoying to clean up the place
but the boss isn't smol
She definitely isn't smol
tawny garden
the boss is, as the wise Reedem once said, thicc
low remnant
😳 moment
cobalt pewter
So yeah, feel free to suggest an improvement of crags gen to give a bit more leniency for fighting brimmy
low remnant
anyway, I'd probably want to refine the wording were I to suggestiong something to make it presentable and also make sense.
tawny garden
cobalt pewter
You can always post here first if you want feedbacks on formatting and stuff
low remnant
aight well I guess I'll go do that or something
yeah, thanks. I'll be right back in a few hundred years
cobalt pewter
low remnant
Not too sure where I should be explicit and vague and where I'm going at the end for the justification but here's what I've got so far:
Rethink a portion of the Brimstone Crags to better fit the Brimstone Elemental Fight
Currently, fighting the Brimstone Elemental is quite a hassle, mainly due to the low ceiling and flat nature of the Brimstone Crags biome. The fight requires a decent amount of vertical space to avoid the high-damage Brimstone Hellblasts, which is only really obtainable by mining out some of the biome. On top of this, the Charred Ore has the potential to generate in unfortunate locations which can remove the player's ability to excavate the region properly.
This change would make creating an arena for this boss fight a lot less tedious, and has the potential to introduce a different way of spawning the Brimstone Elemental
tawny garden
yeet it into posting
low remnant
aight
wait, that is to say you don't think it needs tweaking (I think there's a high chance I've missed something considering I don't have a super in-depth experience of the mod)?
cobalt pewter
I'd say "Rework" instead of "Rethink"
low remnant
alrighty, um
okay so let's say hypothetically I'd already written said suggestion and posted it in the posting channel, would it be better for me to delete the message or edit it now
cobalt pewter
Edit
low remnant
whew, too easy
cobalt pewter
But otherwise, I see no problems with the sugg
low remnant
cool, thanks for taking the time to proofread it!
cobalt pewter
@manic gorge try referring to other suggestions in posting and see how they're formatted
Plus
It's a bug, which is a don't and should go to #bugs-read-pins
tawny garden
@summer sentinel exclamate that last one
cobalt pewter
lmao
heady storm
@manic gorge you should also be separating you suggestions into two different ones.
If this were just a bug suggestion, ask for its removal instead of a❗btw.
tawny garden
well, it's not just a bug sugg
heady storm
Yeah exactly, but I didn’t see anyone besides me point out that they have two different suggestions in one. 
heady storm
You didn’t ping them though. 
tawny garden
fair
heady storm
Whenever I look for suggestion authors being enlightened, I look for pings specifically.
manic gorge
"Cry Face" :'(
cobalt pewter
@crude geode kill time?
crude geode
I was mostly referring to it’s abysmally specific healing conditions. I’ll check the kill time on DOG tomorrow.
distant gyro
don't use raw bloodstone weapons on dog
crude geode
Ok, what should I test viscera on then?
neat wave
may i ask?
why dont use?
distant gyro
sentinels + old duke
heady storm
Buffed blood bosses(?), sentinels, and old duke yeah.
distant gyro
avoid polter because moon bite
crude geode
Should I be setting up anything specific, or just like using a basic arena when comparing sanguine and viscera?
gusty geode
Came in late on that stalagtite sugg but
Starfury, Blade of Grass, Water Bolt
Getting weapons earlier than they were designed for is a common thing in this game, idk what the big deal is with this one in particular
robust lava
In vanilla you're probably not intended to go to the Underground Jungle until probably post-EoW/BoC, since that's when you'll fight QB
hollow shell
(because Underground Jungle is hell early on)
mossy badge
oh
hollow shell
You can get it early
and that's why it's neat
exotic stag
tawny garden
uh
tawny garden
ebon nest
Where are the pins
radiant meadow
You should be a little more direct and to the point imo.
sturdy geyser
if you go to the top left of the screen you will see a 📌 icon
click on that to see the pins
ebon nest
I’m on iPad and I can’t see it
sturdy geyser
ebon nest
Oh found it
sturdy geyser
good job
ebon nest
☺️
I cant shift on iPad so I can’t do so I deleted it, also the only new mob I. The mushroom biome is crabulon, just, one, boss!
In the mushroom biome!
I suck at typing
wooden wedge
isn't there a new line button on mobile keyboards though
sleek turret
uh, I use an android and its the enter button.
iPads? idk
maybe shift + enter anyways with the keyboard, since that works on my tablet too.
cobalt pewter
Mobile should be able to just enter, since you use the big blue button to send instead of enter
Unless your Discord isn't updated yet
ashen warren
How long does it take for a suggestion thats been thumbs upped to be added?
whole sedge
depends on when they're gonna do it, there's no set time really
whole sedge
Depends also if they're even gonna do it but if it's approved your chances skyrocket pretty much
ashen warren
What’s the max amount of time then?
robust lava
A thumbs up just means the devs approve of the idea, there isn't even really a guarantee of implementation
ashen warren
Of course.
mossy badge
smh
craggy stratus
SIS
mossy badge
@radiant meadow incomplete sugg smh
craggy stratus
Specific item suggestion
limber ocean
SIS and bad formatting, aye
radiant meadow
It's not really a specific item suggestion
dapper coral
SIS would be if they listed the specific attacks and damage and all that
this is along the way, but it's not quite there
craggy stratus
Ah
radiant meadow
@pastel seal You should still expand on your suggestion though. Like why would a weapon like this be needed.
wooden wedge
(also read the pinned suggs doc)
pastel seal
radiant meadow
It might also be a good idea to acknowledge the existence of the Acidic Rain Barrel
rose jewel
Probably delete the a bit of a short one part at the first