bruh it's been like a day
#suggestions-discussion
foggy plover
it will be interesting to say the least
violet dagger
My guess is that it'll be stuck between an equal amount of good votes and bad votes
sand umbra
can't wait for instant denial
consensus rejection, not even close, get destroyed
everyone instantly stops starring my suggestions and all my clout vanishes
spiral olive
that’s not even what’s happening what
cobalt pewter
rip
sand umbra
~~it was a joke
although I am kind of expecting rejection on this sugg either way~~
cobalt pewter
from my totally scientific research, the chance of the sugg getting rejected is yes
unreal viper
My Suggs don’t get rejected or approved
cobalt pewter
I'm still proud of that one sugg about skeletron spawning getting implemented, and even to prime
even tho prime doesn't really need it since it spawns offscreen
sand umbra
Prime Laser:
cobalt pewter
Prime Laser, more like Prime Cringe
ashen warren
isn't that breaching the don't of adding back removed content? it even provides an example of "a config to revert to classic appearance"
Who's? Mine?
hollow shell
Yeah this is gonna fall under the removed content Don't
Don't worry too much Nova cuz Crag generation will be changed in the future to be a lot cooler
We won't bring back the spires and eye-cave (probably) but we've got a lotta neat stuff planned
vocal grotto
Which is the more likely possibility
hollow shell
We do indeed have other plans first but Crag changes are guaranteed for a future update
tawny garden
is it a lifetime guarantee or does it expire in 1 year 
hollow shell
it's a lifetime guarantee in that it'll happen unless Fabsol dies 
ashen warren
Yeah it's like 2 in the morning I must have skipped over that one rule lmao
tawny garden
@inner lark you need to have proper formatting
also, don't start a suggestion with "Terrible idea"
and I think Chaos State will mess with Eidolon Wyrms (didn't realise that was the actual idea of the sugg)
inner lark
Hear me out, it would be funny
tawny garden
inner lark
Ok then
tawny garden
you need to have the title of your sugg on a separate line above
oh, and you need a proper reason, you don't have any atm
inner lark
I'll do that
frail mantle
i feel like enemies having a chance to instantly kill you for no reason would just end up being dumb and stinky and unfair
tawny garden
will
inner lark
Yeah, but what if abyss items were buffed as compensation and some drops had a higher rate ( such as halibut cannon being a 0.5% drop chance)
robust lava
That's rather high for what Halibut Cannon is
robust lava
That's higher than RoD, for example
inner lark
How about 0.3%
robust lava
Still more than RoD
Consider that Calamity has Zerg Potions and Chaos Candles, and killing ~200 mobs doesn't seem that farfetched
tawny garden
how about 0.0001%
inner lark
But RoD can be crafted
tawny garden
and..?
robust lava
Yes, but Halibut wins you the game
inner lark
I think 0.3 is fair as its triple the original rate
And it makes abyss farming harder
The chaos state suggestion I mean
frail mantle
i don't think stronger items would make up for the enemies in there having a random chance of instantly killing you
inner lark
It would be low in revengence mode (such as 4% chance) and higher in death mode
gray nebula
why though
frail mantle
it's still a random chance to be instantly killed
inner lark
It would be a revengence and death mode excusive
gray nebula
what problem does it solve
inner lark
Not affecting any mode below or includeing expert
gray nebula
usually you make a suggestion because the mod has a problem and you think you have a solution for it
please awnser my question
inner lark
It would be a funny feature
frail mantle
that's not a reason
inner lark
It wouldn't solve a problem but it would make the abyss harder
gray nebula
so it's useless
frail mantle
yes but why does the abyss need to be harder
gray nebula
abyss is already the hardest biome in the mod
frail mantle
and why is your idea what's needed to make it harder
inner lark
All right I admit it's a studio idea
gray nebula
I mean at this point arguing more is futile, its not a good suggestion
tawny garden
studio idea
tawny garden
y tho
gray nebula
'yeah no
inner lark
The item triggering this would fall into the category as iron heart
gray nebula
I really wouldn't attempt to salvage this idea
inner lark
Sry I'm a ps3 player and I have no idea of how mods work
gray nebula
at its core, its suggesting a rng instakill. Not good
tawny garden
wait a sec
tawny garden
if you haven't played
inner lark
I'm not joking about the ps3 thing
tawny garden
how did you come up with this if you haven't played the mod
inner lark
I just thing it's a memable idea after seeing revengence playthroughs
quasi flume
has anyone actually considers nerfing old duke's third phase?
gray nebula
memeable 
ashen warren
so the post gets a ❗ now, right?
ashen warren
~~i mean he can react tho ~~
signal glade
Wow
tawny garden
@gray nebula can you?
distant gyro
If Rover has perms then devs probably do
tawny garden
I recall someting about Rover being special or some shit of that sort
gray nebula
i cant
ashen warren
oh
gray nebula
rover just has special privileges
distant gyro
Rover has ascension abilities
gray nebula
I can react in the voting channel tho
distant gyro
I think Beta Tester gives voting react perms
tawny garden
distant gyro
Brav does a big lot
gray nebula
but most suggestions are indeed delivered by either him, rover or altix
tawny garden
maybe one day suggs will be delivered by @ashen warren
distant gyro
no
ashen warren
will suggs ever have a dislike system? 
gray nebula
suggs need tags and shit
tawny garden
no
gray nebula
no
ashen warren
oh ok
distant gyro
only higher beings have the ability to become the minority complex
tawny garden
explain
distant gyro
tawny garden
distant gyro
tawny garden
distant gyro
or no minority
cobalt pewter
tawny garden
jovial spire
@inner lark Please give better reasoning on why this should be in the game other than essentially "Why not" and "Just to make it harder".
jovial spire
If they wanted to do it
theres not even an option of want to or not
inner lark
It would be a togglable option like the iron heart and revengence mode
jovial spire
then why didnt you put that in
inner lark
Didnt think of putting it in at the time
jovial spire
Well then go ahead and do that, but that still doesnt really solve the problem
things really shouldn't be added because "why not lol"
and no reason other than that
inner lark
All right I understand
violet minnow
What do people think about Plantera doing small (telegraphed) dashes to help combat circling? Basically she would stop moving for 0.5 seconds to a second and then dash slightly in front of the player, similar to brimstone elementals laser in terms of aiming. Obviously tuned down, probably have Plantera over estimate much more so the dashes aren't impossible to dodge. This would (hopefully) lead to less circle cheesing, or just smarter circle cheesing. If this were to be added possibly also lower the speed in p2 as well to not make it overwhelming.
cobalt pewter
Uh
Polter?
You might want to check Polterghast in .003
Which does essentially what you said
river glen
what about suggestion to lower aureus hp
since right after plantera
200k hp is even higher than destroyer
and destroyer you can damage him 80% of the time while aures just spams projectiles and makes u focus on them more than the actual boss
frail mantle
well remember that Aureus is fat and tends to be easy to hit
also you tend to get a bit of a powerspike post-Plantera, so bosses having more health is at least a bit justified
river glen
bruh
river glen
its so hard to hit, when he is jumping al over the place
weak field
It's essentially like a slight chance of insta-kill
river glen
and summoning projectiles
weak field
I don't get how that is fun or fair
river glen
and thats so shit in hardcore
weak field
Why do we want something annoying
distant gyro
when it is admittedly annoying
weak field
Death mode is hard yes, but at least everything is kind of fair
If you spam the demonshade armor enrage, the taking more dmg effect on you will refresh to 10 seconds yes
But it won't refresh the debuff on the enemy
river glen
can i post a change to aureus
because hes so hard
at that stage of the game
and its just an endurance fight
all the way
river glen
yes
weak field
Not for me 
violet minnow
I would def vote for a deathmode aures change
even in rev as summoner the fight took me two tries
which is one try too many
weak field
Rev is supposed to be hard
violet minnow
serously though with the max life i could have post plantera and the best weapons and gear, and in rev it should not be that stupid
weak field
Usually a boss would take people a few tries to a few tens of tries
violet minnow
ever other rev fight, even post golom has taken me one try
bruh cant spell golem
the only boss i found hard was as because i cant see anything
quasi flume
Aureus is definitely a hard boss, but only when you encounter him for the first time
If you actually learn his pattern of attacks and adjust your movement around it, he becomes easy and repetative
violet minnow
yah, unless deathmode w/ a weapon that doesnt pierce
violet minnow
okay plantera idea #3 (ive got way to many of these so im just gonna keep suggesting them until people like one enough): Basically Plantera somehow telegraphs (through sound or visual) this special attack. What the attack is is she shoots a stream of seeds in all eight directions (could be 4 directions for rev mode), these seeds deal increased damage so you really don't want to hit them. It is designed to be a easily avoidable attack as while she is doing it plantera stops moving. It also forces the player to stand still for a bit, interrupting the circle.
tawny garden
you might as well post this in #suggestions-posting
hollow shell
Well uhh no cuz that's kinda specific
tawny garden
hm
tawny garden
yeah, it's salvageable
hollow shell
"Give Rev+ Plantera an attack which shoots a stream of projectiles in fixed direction(s), to discourage circle strats."
(I have had an idea similar to this in the past)
violet minnow
this current one is not worded correctly
it was worded a bit ago, and I wanted to see what people thought of it first
near shuttle
@hollow shell that a good idea.
hollow sierra
🤔
I guess you're right, but golem is earlier in progression than calamitas so it makes even less sense for megalodon to be as weak as it is
if helstorm is obtainable before it
dapper coral
...no it's not
foggy plover
golem is about 3 bosses after cal
dapper coral
^
foggy plover
including the whole post plant tier
pine star
It's 4 iirc
dapper coral
you do calclone, then plant, and then golem
with astrum aureus and anahita in between
foggy plover
cal, plant, levi, aureus, golem
hollow sierra
I always do plant and golem before calamitas
zenith hazel
yeah but that's not the intended order
dapper coral
well that's not standard progression
hollow sierra
hmmmm
sand umbra
Clonamitas is intended as between the Mechs and Plant what
hollow sierra
Interesting
sand umbra
no
hollow sierra
Obviously under the assumption its same tier as helstorm, but i guess i'm wrong
sand umbra
it is dead and should stay dead
foggy plover
(triploon superior anyways)
pine star
Why should Megashark upgrade stay dead
sand umbra
Megashark is already far and away the lowest-IQ ranger weapon in the base game
Megalodon is just that but more, boasting sizably better stats in all fields, and is obtainable exactly one tier after Megashark itself
sand umbra
(the existence of Chlorophyte Bullets does not help its case)
pine star
I get it now
hollow sierra
Chlorophyte bullets do make alot of guns feel very bleak
pine star
Bleak?
unreal star
shoot fast
hollow shell
Not the right word but I understand anyway :P
unreal star
gun go kablam ahahaha
tawny garden
(btw
that sugg shows that you still need to do smth with golem being made out of sugar glass)
unreal star
that's what the minishark line is
pine star
Yeah
sand umbra
I believe the word you seek is "bland"
which is the perfect term to describe the Minishark line
hollow sierra
Okay, let me try and rephrase
hollow sierra
chlorophyte bullets limit design space
pine star
You're very right
hollow sierra
tactical shotgun could be a cool high risk weapon if it got a big damage buff, but those bullets completely negating its huge downside forces it to have the bad stats it does
pine star
How do you even fix them without removing them
foggy plover
a high damage shotgun with high spread that used custom bullets but fired slowly would be really cool
pine star
You can't make them like Chloro Arrows because Meteor Shot is already like that
hollow sierra
5 second idea, occasional leaf crystal-like shots
tawny garden
will this Chloro bullet discussion lead to a sugg
pine star
I hope so
hollow sierra
You could also just make the homing way less aggressive, have the bullets turn 10 degrees at most so they still assist your aim
pine star
Or make them like Quincy's arrows from BTD6
Small pierce, but don't home until they hit something
sand umbra
~~it probably won't, but it has sparked a rework concept in my mind
off to Elsewhere™️ I go~~
tawny garden
see ya
pine star
See ya in Elsewhere
tawny garden
violet dagger
Is a megashark rework coming in DD thomas
hollow sierra
I don't know really, it doesn't seem like good chloro bullets and above-mediocre close range guns can coexist
tawny garden
violet dagger
pine star
gaunt quest
Lol killing the homing of chloro would make them usless because that's the only reason people use them
pine star
Like killing the homing and adding something new
ocean raft
we should get a post scal flamethrower
tawny garden
that will only happen if a dev wants it
ashen warren
Shadowspec suggs are a big no-no
tawny garden
they're all dedicated
proper grail
Nope. They're exclusive to Dev items now. Not even DoG donors can get those
violet dagger
were donors ever able to tho
proper grail
At one point I believe so
violet dagger
probably 2017
proper grail
Also, how does my idea look. I've been thinking of it for a while
violet dagger
not bad tho
tawny garden
but It's fine
proper grail
Just three lol
Dom, the Sulphuric Sea dev, said "I'm all for more scenery"
That's enough to make me think this has some potential
tawny garden
it does
hollow shell
Dark?
Aren't there really bright glowing vines and critters down there lighting it up?
proper grail
Not everywhere. I often get dark worlds (and we break the vines like crazy)
This would be a non-moveable light source that doesn't get destroyed by weapons
hollow shell
You should mention that in the suggestion
That though the vines act as light sources, they're fragile and don't always appear
whole sedge
Yeah I rarely get vines and even prehm they just kinda get annihilated by every weapon
violet dagger
what about microbial clusters
hollow shell
The critters do exist yes
violet dagger
you can kill those easily tho
hollow shell
Same problem as vines ig
though a bit more renewable cuz they're mobs which spawn instead of tiles which generate
maybe
hollow shell
Better
dapper coral
They could be broken and moved.
a new immovable light source
bit confused here
rose jewel
weird thought but it would look sick if in the abyss if you just saw crystals down there
proper grail
Immovable as in, well, not a mob
violet dagger
lumenyl exists
proper grail
Not in the Sulphuric Sea no
violet dagger
I was responding to catsrule
rose jewel
like crystal shards on the sides of the gravel
proper grail
This is Sulphur Sea specific lol.
rose jewel
Ik
proper grail
Clarified that part about immovability
rose jewel
You could change and before crafting to also
proper grail
Could you rephrase that?
rose jewel
just a grammatical change
In the middle of second paragraph Change and to also in the sentence before talking about crafting
I think the suggestion is a cool idea
proper grail
Rephrase complete.
And hey, Dom likes it. If the literal sulphur sea developer sees merit in it, it might have a chance to be looked at.
(quick question, is pinging generally accepted here or nay?)
dapper coral
depends, what do you wanna ping about
proper grail
Usually just to get someone's attention. I never ping on the Patron server and was wondering if it was the same here. This is my first time in main lol.
tawny garden
uhhhhhhhhhh
tawny garden
hollow idol
Cryogen is the castle
proper grail
First, Cryogen is his castle, and second you followed absolutely no formatting or grammar rules
dapper coral
this would also perhaps fall under the "too much effort" don't
since like, new structures
so ima just get rid of it since it's not really salvageable
proper grail
Yeah. Besides there's already the Ice Draedon lab. We don't need anything else.
dapper coral
but to answer your question solstice, yeah you can ping people as long as you have a decent reason for it
don't just memeping random people lol
proper grail
Cool 
I'm paying $50 a month for DoG, I'm not a memer. I just absolutely love this game (but dislike larger servers because they're usually chaotic)
quasi flume
one of the hardest bosses in the mod, if not the hardest one
spawns by completing a 5-6 minutes event or by catching a pretty damn rare thing
absurdly hard and unforgivable third phase starts at 50% for some reason and lasts for like 2 minutes
for 2 minutes straigth you need to do everything PERFECTLY. one mistake and you're dead because of how the dashes work.
feral bite, which sometimes can fuck you over by giving you Confusion debuff. reminder that spawning this boss is not a quick task.
trash loot for the most classes
I wonder why like 80% of players skip this boss
gaunt quest
Old duke is nice
quasi flume
has anyone actually suggested to nerf him a bit?
like at least remove the fking feral bite
hollow shell
There was a suggestion to give him a better reward
but it didn't get 200
Got very close
tawny garden
2💯
quasi flume
grim tusk
trash loot for the most classes
I wonder why like 80% of players skip this boss
Add buggy to the list
gaunt quest
Quick 6 people go and vote for the old duke suggestion
grim tusk
Can range from it suddenly despawning or not spawning at all when fishing
quasi flume
oh he is also buggy, yeah
hollow shell
You could report the latter to bugs-read-pins
but the former could be suggested here
grim tusk
Already did
hollow shell
I think he just has a really small despawn range
grim tusk
A while ago
grim tusk
Not the despawning one but the him not spawning one
The last one is another bug
But non calamity so who cares
hollow shell
Ah I thought you meant suggested about the despawn range
hollow shell
And he coulda changed since then, so would be good to re-test anyway
grim tusk
Yep, imma do some homework and retest after
quasi flume
Well I did 188 attempts and he haven't despawned in a single one
whole sedge
Nearly every time I've fought him he's despawned so 
hollow idol
bruh
zenith hazel
@pallid lynx yeah no meme suggs please, ty
ocean raft
There should be a way to turn off the magic carpet on the Auric Tesla Armor
unreal star
maybe a config option
ocean raft
There isnt one, but that would be a good place to put it
Because I am really tired of just floating there for a second wondering "wtf is happening" and then dying
grim tusk
Carpet is good when used correctly
copper turret
ocean raft
yes, but it can be annoying when you aren't expecting/used to it
grim tusk
(And your only option for good horizontal mobility on defiled Scal)
ocean raft
so i think it would be helpful to have an option to turn it off
ocean raft
what?
If you're talking about the Ball 'n chain, thats something from the thorium mod and is a completely unique item
red stormBOT
dapper coral
mhm, new this update
ashen warren
however that could impact people who don't want to dash, but do want the carpet
hollow shell
^
cobalt pewter
True
ocean raft
Thats true
hollow shell
This got brought up in the dev server too
ocean raft
Maybe there's another item like it?
cobalt pewter
Though there's no other way to have it toggle without config as far as I can see
Since armor can't be toggled with visibility
cobalt pewter
Another item just for Flying Carpet would be unnecessary
ocean raft
I agree
Maybe they change the functionality of the Ball and Chain altogether, because can't all dashes be toggled with visibility?
cobalt pewter
Ball and Chain replaces visibility toggle for dashes
hollow shell
Not anymore
ocean raft
wat
dapper coral
ball and chain replaces all that
ocean raft
I need to go update my mods
dapper coral
so visibility toggle doesn't exist anymore in terms of dashes
ocean raft
Yeah I'm doing that now
cobalt pewter
What I have in mind is uh
Maybe make an alternative to Auric Cuisses that doesn't require Flying Carpet and doesn't grant Flying Carpet effect. This variant can be crafted into original Cuisses with Flying Carpet, to regain the flying carpet effect
Just my 2 cents
hollow shell
anyway there was already a sugg about this Robert
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/726086463493505035
(which is why it was talked about in the dev server)
ocean raft
I didn't even know
cobalt pewter
It's usually polarized, either people want the carpet (defiled) or doesn't want it (half of the playerbase kek)
ocean raft
Yeah thats 4 months old
I like Feedzuh's idea
Because then you can decide whether or not you actually want it
hollow shell
Altix just decided to go all the way back and find it, good lad
ocean raft
Without having to go into config, but it seems kinda clunky either way
cobalt pewter
Altix is pogger
ocean raft
Yes, Altix (whom I definetely know of) is pogger
cobalt pewter
Yes
ocean raft
What?
cobalt pewter
Larva can no longer be broken when the player is far away from the larvaes
hollow shell
and there's one random QoL mod which has this integrated into its features, making it as fragile as a Plantera Bulb instead (only breakable with pickaxe)
Dunno what that mod is tho
Might be Luiafk, might be Fargo's
gusty scarab
Larva can no longer be broken when the player is far away from the larvaes
@cobalt pewter uhh you sure
dapper coral
if i had to guess i'd say either -- yeah, those
hollow shell
Talkin about 1.4, pup
cobalt pewter
Ye
gusty scarab
Might be Luiafk, might be Fargo's
@hollow shell i have both on and it still broke
cobalt pewter
1.4 fixes dumb larva
ocean raft
Nevermind the3n
hollow shell
But, we gotta wait for tModLoader to update first
and they've been havin a rough time, lol
dapper coral
aka a while
hollow shell
Been working on it for months
Also if it ain't Luiafk or Fargo's then I got no idea
It was in one of my mod lists
dapper coral
indeed it is
ocean raft
Anyways, is the consensus that I should or shouldn't post that suggestion
Also bruh
That is actually ridiculous
gusty scarab
i also awoke one from my snow biome
where my cursor is
hold on, i'll go on my test world, i have a sneaking suspicion this thing has infinite range
ocean raft
what does
gusty scarab
Tenebrus Tides
ocean raft
oh
gusty scarab
ok so that's the range
hollow shell
Yeah this suggestion seems fine
Even if not using Rox specifically
there's the Iron Boots, which are Abyss loot literally designed for this purpose
It'd make sense if the Terminus chest was buried somewhat so you needed to risk the time to drown and have hostile enemies spawn while you tried to get it
instead of being out in the open
violet dagger
iirc there was a sugg on making the shrine more elaborate
a while back
speaking of which I have a smol idea for the abyss
hollow shell
pine star
violet dagger
hollow shell
Well I mean that's kinda the point
You should probably have some kind of game design argument in there other than "it's annoying"
violet dagger
everytime you want to fight a miniboss go back up to layer 1
sand umbra
hm yes playing the game is very inconvenient
violet dagger
it's just a stupid idea I had in my head I'll probably delete it
sand umbra
one beautiful segue later hi yes I have a question:
how often do people get murdered for balancing suggs
hollow shell
The grinding is potentially something you can focus on
Cuz there are a lot of drops to be had down there
violet dagger
dw I copied it down
hollow shell
and not a lot of air
pine star
Not often
sand umbra
because like
so I recently started doing an analysis of Calamity broadswords right
and uh
I'm literally one entry in and I've found. a very notable outlier
hollow shell
If your suggestion is to nerf something then it will never achieve
If it's to buff something then it can succeed
sand umbra
and in analyzing that one outlier I've ended up with two suggestions
hollow shell
in my experience.
pine star
I meant it depends
hollow shell
You can hope that a tester sees your suggestion in posting or voting and decided to bring it up with the testers themselves
cuz it sure as fuck ain't getting delivered
(if it's a nerf sugg)
sand umbra
it's uh
pine star
It's a nerf sugg isn't it?
sand umbra
it's about Waraxe which according to my calculations is approximately dummy strong and needs to die
pine star
dapper coral
sounds like another death then
pine star
You are going to be murdered
hollow shell
Like really spell it out
pine star
Show your calculations
hollow shell
not only that it's overpowered but you gotta say why it needs to be toned down
sand umbra
damned if I do, damned if I don't
pine star
Show the stupid shit that Waraxe can do
hollow shell
I assume this'll tie into Cryogen
which wouldn't make sense because Cryogen is the castle
Could be neat to have like, sparse ice brick rubble, I guess
violet dagger
welp slowmode
guess I'll put my sugg here meanwhile
Add a way to get back breath in the abyss, however make it rare
Grinding in the abyss can take a while and losing breath forcing you to constantly go back up to the surface is making the grinding a lot harder than it should be. This is why the method of getting air should be rare, it should be a quick convenience to reduce the times the player has to go up while keeping balance of not just being able to grind easily by not being common. If the way to get breath is unique it could also give some life to the abyss.
dapper coral
I assume this'll tie into Cryogen
was it something about adding a ruined castle in the ice biome? (i can't see it bc modnotifs ded)
because they said something about that like 2 hours ago and i deleted it for the same reason
hollow shell
Yeah it was
(Forgot who said it just now tho)
Oh @fast quail
Also that suggestion looks better, gseal
fast quail
uh i made an updated version but slowmode is on so ill put it here
Add a kind of ruined castle in the ice biome
“Permafrost suspected nothing, until the moment the runes activated, causing his castle to collapse inwards” - from the wiki
I think Permafrost’s ruined castle should be added somewhere in the snow biome or underground snow biome, also if this idea is considered it should probably be set to be explored after Cryogen’s defeat.
hollow shell
I guess it could make sense if it spawns post-Cryogen?
But like, you should have some stronger reasoning
other than, it's mentioned in the lore
dapper coral
a) cryogen is the castle, there are no ruins
b) new structures i feel like would fall under the "too much effort" don't
hollow shell
Ehh iunno if it'll be too much effort depending on how involve it'd be
If it's like
something to explore in and of itself
then yeah problaby
dapper coral
that's what it sounds like to me
fast quail
ya thats the downside i saw its probably too much work to incorporate it into the game
dapper coral
if it was like, a sorta abandoned house thing that just exists for 3 seconds of loot then it would prob be fine
fast quail
just thought it would be cool as an idea after reading the lore, finding what remained of his old home
dapper coral
but the way you've phrased it, it sounds like a full-on exploration
fast quail
no no no, not something like the dungeon, just a small ruined structure
like a remnant of what it was
hollow shell
Perhaps
fast quail
For example, just a single spire from the castle, or the entrance gate with a statue
fossil finch
Then again it wouldn't make sense at all in gameplay or in lore
Since cryogen is the castle, and you are destroying it to free Permafrost
It would be nice, but it's kinda
dapper coral
that would be more reasonable, yes
but progression would be kinda funky as rover already said, since Cryo is the castle itself, and if it were to spawn after Cryo died, it would be strange to have it just appear somewhere other than where Cryo died, etc.
fast quail
Then again it wouldn't make sense at all in gameplay or in lore
Since cryogen is the castle, and you are destroying it to free Permafrost
It would be nice, but it's kinda
@fossil finch you bring up a good point i didnt think about that, i thought of it as an ice prison formed and the castle collapsed but it was still there
hollow shell
I was thinking it could work if it was just like, just strewn about pieces of Ice Brick or maybe super ruined rooms
that spawned after killing Cryogen
so it was like all the castle inside exploded out along with freeing Permafrost
fast quail
I was thinking it could work if it was just like, just strewn about pieces of Ice Brick or maybe super ruined rooms
that spawned after killing Cryogen
so it was like all the castle inside exploded out along with freeing Permafrost
@hollow shell maybe it could spawned where cryo was killed, or underground below him
hollow shell
it could be generated relative to where Cryo died yeah
in like a radius around the initial death point
but like, not so concentrated to the point where you gotta think about it too hard
violet dagger
got a bit carried away time to repost
ashen warren
Might be better to phrase it as "Add a rare way to recover breath in the abyss", but that's just a grammar thing
hollow shell
I've uhh, never had to experience this issue because I always play with Luiafk and infinite Recalls (+ Recall-backs)
So if this were added then I would be able to experience the Abyss in a way that's not cheating
fast quail
usually i play with alhcemist mode and it has a potion which sends you back to where you last died which is pretty handy for the abyss, something like that could be added
violet dagger
ye I use that strategy also
but for players that see it as cheaty
it could be nice
fast quail
maybe checkpoint monoliths in the abyss at different levels which, once activated allow you to respawn there, like when you go down you activate it and next time you die you respawn there and it deactivates
violet dagger
that sounds a bit too specific
but ye that could be nice
I like my sugg as it is tho but you could suggest that
sand umbra
alright
I...think I have the Waraxe suggestion written up?
please suggestion gods don't murder me for what I'm about to do
pine star
Ok
sand umbra
here we go--
pine star
Do the thing
hollow shell
ah
pine star
oh
hollow shell
Only Thomas
sand umbra
unacceptable
unreal viper
Impressive
hollow shell
Make a single-item balance suggestion over 2k
violet dagger
over 2k
unreal viper
Make a doc then.
hollow shell
Granted I advised you to do so
violet dagger
:txvsn:
pine star
hollow shell
Nah a doc would only decrease his chances further
cobalt pewter
A doc has lesser chance to be read than a long sugg
At least with a long sugg, some can catch some words that'd interest them
sand umbra
significantly so, might I add
as you're about to see thanks to my grade-school calculations
sand umbra
it's done, it's there
I did it
now, this is the first time, in quite some time, that a sugg of mine has ever targeted the balancing of a particular item
forgive me if I'm a bit rusty
pine star
Pog
sturdy geyser
waraxe moment
pine star
And if this is your rusty state, I almost don't want to see your lubricated state
sturdy geyser
😳
pine star
That's not what I meant
sturdy geyser
i know
sand umbra
bruh what do you mean Basher sucks
hollow shell
What if it does
hollow shell
ya need a bigger sample size
pine star
War cleaving question
hollow shell
and you could prolly cut out a ton of the fluff where you talk about how you calculated DPS
and add more wep comparisons
sand umbra
hmm
I'll need a few more frames of reference
hollow shell
mhm
sand umbra
alright, got my additional samples picked out, give me just a moment
dapper coral
ye, this is pretty fluffy
hollow shell
Warblade, Wulfrum Blade, Mandible Claws, Feller of Evergreens, Caustic Edge
Light's Bane / Blood Butcherer, Bone Blade, Mandible Blade
sand umbra
sounds good
hollow shell
pick whichever ones you fancy
sand umbra
hmmm
since vanilla-to-Calamity comparisons almost never end well for the vanilla weps, I'm gonna go with Wulfrum Blade, Mandible Claws, and Caustic Edge
give me just a moment
hollow shell
okie
Caustic is p stronk so that can be used as an upper end comparison
Depth Crusher is another, closer option.
sand umbra
Depth Crusher works too, ye
think I'll actually use Depth Crusher instead of Mandible Claws
Mandible Claws straight-up are the size of peanuts so it'd be kinda scuffed if I mentioned any DPS advantage they have other most other broadsword-type weapons
hollow shell
yeah they're special
sand umbra
Depth Crusher is much better to compare against
there we go. added multiple other weapons against which to compare the weapon
hollow shell
Results look a bit less convincing now :P
hollow shell
Warblade is later (Goblins) and is stronger than Waraxe
Caustic is later (Jungle & lava & Demon Altar) and is stronger than Waraxe
Wulfrum Blade is easier to get (Surface) and is weaker than Waraxe
Feller is primarily a tool and is also earlier (just needs Silver), weaker than Waraxe
The only stand-out offensive result is Basher
and I think it might just be because Basher blows ass
serene fox
buff basher
hollow shell
Burnt Sienna is another candidate for comparison I guess
tho its got heals so it makes sense if it's a little weaker
You could bust out the vanilla swords because Calamity does make an effort to balance vanilla weapons so they should be valid comparison points
Gotta find things that are closer to Waraxe in tier?
sand umbra
most ore swords would be closer
the issue is that vanilla-to-Calamity weapon comparisons never end well for the vanilla weapon(s) involved because Calamity uses a different power curve
hollow shell
yeah
Maybe Fiery Greatsword and Blade of Grass
Bone Blade dropped by the same enemy
Well just use these numbers
https://calamitymod.gamepedia.com/Vanilla_changes/Weapon_Balance
None of the three weapons I just mentioned are on this list
which means
They are in a good spot balance-wise according to the Calamity testers
unreal viper
Uh
hollow shell
That is definitely how that works
sand umbra
totally not because they're too early to fight bosses with and are thus left alone
unreal viper
Fiery greatsword is post eow lul.
sand umbra
Fiery Greatsword is also terrible regardless but I digress
that is an assessment for another time
brb using grade school math on every vanilla ore broadsword (except copper and tin because in this context FUCK copper and tin)
hollow shell
Have fun
unreal viper
Bone sword is probably a thing to consider for sure
Imo what makes waraxe op is the strength and length of the debuff
15 seconds is a very long time, and doing 7.5 more danage to enemies isn’t a small thing
sand umbra
(it's about 21 extra DPS in Waraxe's case --- which is nearly a one-third increase in damage output)
(actually. now that I think of it. I should mention that)
there we go
accounted for all the higher-end ore swords
(semi-related fun fact: why in the name of god is the Platinum Broadsword heralding a 25% DPS advantage over the Gold Broadsword despite them being alternatives)
hollow shell
Daaamn, Waraxe's cleave lasts for 15 seconds?
unreal viper
You know what, I will
unreal viper
That is dumb
cobalt pewter
And yes, it's vanilla. And yes, it persists on every ore weapons (and heck armors) with alternatives
unreal viper
Having alternatives that have some kind of interesting constrasy is cool
sand umbra
yeah Waraxe cleave lasts for 15 seconds
cobalt pewter
One alternative shouldn't be straight up better than the other
radiant meadow
Should war cleave get a nerf, waraxe, or both?
sand umbra
Waraxe in particular should be the one to get the nerfhammer
I have...a very distinct opinion on War Cleave, although I will say said opinion was spurred by the same weapon
radiant meadow
What else inflicts war cleave again besides waraxe and my personal weapon again?
Wasn't there another weapon?
sand umbra
Warblade
which depsite its name and theme is completely separate from Waraxe, with the blade being dropped by Goblin Warriors
aaaaand that's literally it
sand umbra
throw vanilla problems at me instead iirc
unreal viper
Just did.
sand umbra
unreal star
Red apparently doesn't know how to balance alternatives
has he ever?
formal flame
add a toggle for the green siren skin on the aquatic heart. It was my reason to live
cobalt pewter
That counts as bringing back removed content, which is a don't
If you want Siren so bad, wait for Tides of Aether mod
formal flame
it can be re-skinned
heady storm
The change from siren-anahita was done because the spriter behind the siren left the mod and didn't want his sprite to stay, so this is inevitably a reject.
frail mantle
green skin Aquatic Heart doesn't make sense since the Siren isn't occasionally green anymore
formal flame
saddness
heady storm
No problem, sorry to bring it out on you like this.
cobalt pewter
tbf anyone who simped for Nahlyn was just horni, really
formal flame
the old siren had blue and green variant
cobalt pewter
opinion alert but anahita is a lot more unique than just a simple siren
And new Atlantis is sex
Anyway
As I said before, the spriter who left is making a different mod which revolves around Sirens
formal flame
yeah it is unfortunate
cobalt pewter
So ig check that if you wanna
ashen warren
there might be a texture pack for it but idk 
formal flame
green lady with fish texture matches with leviathan way more than aqua gurl
hollow shell
(that spriter is making his own separate mod now with Sirens in it so be on the lookout for that)
Ah Feedzuh already mentioned it
Tides of Aether
cobalt pewter
cobalt pewter
You can always work around the lightning orb arcs
Not sure how those lightning spawn when SW starts ramming
But if that knowledge exists, SW is still rather viable to nohit
vale aspen
SW is insanity
serene fox
please don't judge a boss based on a no-hit
golden narwhal
Doesn't SW summon the same amount of lightning as before, just at different positions
cobalt pewter
Not entirely sure
vale aspen
It uses to be as easy as the other two sentinels
golden narwhal
also, saying a boss previously being easy and is now hard is a bad thing is kinda
cobalt pewter
If it's impossibly hard, then maybe it'd be considered
But .003 SW is far from that
real steppe
what happened to SW?
heady storm
making it one of the hardest bosses to nohit
please don't judge a boss based on a no-hit
Literally what Brue said, this kind of arguement alone cannot stand.
real steppe
i wont be surprised if CV got a surface enrage
cobalt pewter
SW got buffed by a little bit
What I noticed immediately in dmode is more segments
heady storm
The only major thing that got added was its dash attack, and that's about it.
ashen warren
Doesn’t CV already have one?
golden narwhal
Yes
cobalt pewter
But in general, those lightning orb arc were changed to spawn near the player instead of SW's head
ashen warren
I mean just circle the worm?
cobalt pewter
Which contrary to when I read the logs, it actually makes them a bit harder now
real steppe
oof
vale aspen
The annoying thing is that the light balls often spawn on me
golden narwhal
If they spawn directly on you, that should be the sugg
real steppe
I feel like the difficulty spike between HM and Post ML bosses are huge
I mean, really huge
ashen warren
The charge attack is scary though
But it was a good addition
You could cheese it with a runway, ROD and a ranged weapon with pierce
distant vault
The charge is scary until you fly or run away, but yeah it makes the boss more interesting than simply go in a circle
vale aspen
You cant run away tho
distant vault
But yeah the lightning arcs aren't that much of an issue even with no hits if you want to do that way
vale aspen
It outruns you
distant vault
Yes you can ;)
vale aspen
How?
ashen warren
It can outrun you though
Even with seraph and asphalt
It has a higher speed than the player pre charge
cobalt pewter
Just jump right as it starts ramming
It can't turn while ramming, but it can when it starts ramming
golden narwhal
why is everyone exclamationing
heady storm
I mean, it really doesn't make a difference.
I could remove them if I really wanted to anyway, speaking of which.
crude geode
this “boss op pls nerf” is unique Bc it’s specific to no hitting! Which only makes it weaker.
heady storm
you need to drag yourself onto the outer thirds of the world, try to kill Wulfrum stuff as they're inside Wulfrum Pylons.
Pylons can spawn in the middle world too, just not as often.
ashen warren
I guess, but the old wulfrum recipe was less grindy
crude geode
You also only have to kill two powered up things, and then the pylon, and you’re fine.
heady storm
Making pylons spawn normally everywhere fixes that, yes.
ashen warren
But there’s always Desert Prowler and Snow Ruffian set
heady storm
What relation do those have with this?
ashen warren
I’m just saying there are alternate early armors than wulfrum
heady storm
Alright, but that isn't what the suggestion focuses on.
golden narwhal
It is mentioned in some form
heady storm
The whole thing seems unnecessarily tedious for something you'd easily replace when you got Victide (or any other class-specific armors) anyways. Making Energy Cores easier to get would make Wulfrum armor a lot more accessible for a really early game to start up.
You mean this?
crude geode
Personally I think the energy core method is more unique than just “slap a bunch of wulfrum shards together” tbh
heady storm
Technically this suggestion is able to stand on its own, but @cobalt pewter take what I thought into consideration please.
crude geode
Also it doesn’t really address “pylons do spawn in the center of the world”
heady storm
Yeah, that was my primary incentive for the suggestion to get changed entirely while still fullfilling what the author desires.
heady storm
Looks fine to me, affirmative.
cobalt pewter
crude geode
A small thought related to this, maybe victide armor could be limited to requiring a drop from Desert Scourge? It’s always seemed a bit odd that you can just get victide armor from cnidrion, and then the only real meaningful drops from Desert Scourge are his weapons.
cobalt pewter
That could be an interesting take on it ye
heady storm
If you really think so, go forth and write a seperate suggestion for that. 
cobalt pewter
Maybe make Cnidrions only drop Victory Shards post DS?
ashen warren
That’s a good take on the subject
heady storm
Limit armor post-ds at least.
cobalt pewter
Yeah, Cnidrion is the sole source of victide pre DS
crude geode
also wtf is cnidrion in the lore
ashen warren
That makes DS a more ‘useful’ boss ig
heady storm
Dried up "seahorse."
crude geode
I see
heady storm
The armor requiring a special material from DS sounds like a fine restriction though.
golden narwhal
Sunken sea mats are an option, since they're aquatic themed (unless I'm missing smth)
cobalt pewter
Sea Prisms?
ashen warren
Sunken Sea mats seem weird in terms of sprite of victide
cobalt pewter
The only thing I can think of that fits Victide theming
Either use Sea Prisms or limit Victory Shard drop from Cnidrion post-DS
Either work just as well
ashen warren
Probably the former
crude geode
I just left it open to the devs like I usually do
ashen warren
How about victide weapons, make them like the bloodstone weapons ig
Oh you already covered that nvm
tawny garden
this sounds imbalanced as FUCK
sick tundra
yeah the numbers are a bit ehh
but i feel like true melee rushdown should be more viable
and i didnt really like how you still had to be super cautious when adrenaline is active
it doesnt feel like you can really relax after trying so hard to not get hit for 45 seconds
pine star
I know
sick tundra
but mostly the former actually
i just really want justice for melees lol
true melee becomes really useless in the endgame
like the murasama is cool and all but youre not gonna use it ever against supreme calamitas
cobalt pewter
I feel like that's more of rage change than adren
sand umbra
congratulations, you've stumbled across one of the consistent truths of all forms of Terraria
melee, when it is viable, is almost never actually melee
cobalt pewter
As a wise YouTube comment once said
"'True melee' is just a phrase"
ashen warren
true melee becomes really useless in the endgame
true melle is kinda useless
sick tundra
melee, when it is viable, is almost never actually melee
@sand umbra thats why i really like calamity
it tries to add true melee
but you still cant really use it that much against bosses
maybe once or twice but you lose all your health
sand umbra
and then it realizes why true melee isn't viable for most of the game and how hard you have to actually try to make it workable against bosses
sick tundra
the only type of true melee against bosses is rushdown true melee with adrenaline + fetids
sand umbra
(read: it is because not a single boss is designed with melee being actually melee in mind, aside from maybe QB)
cobalt pewter
and then it realizes why true melee isn't viable for most of the game and how hard you have to actually try to make it workable against bosses
It isn't that hard when you put your brain into it
just make melee actually true melee, and make projectile melee a side dish
sick tundra
if almost works then just expand on that so that it actually fully works
cobalt pewter
But yes, boss designs can be wack
sick tundra
It isn't that hard when you put your brain into it
just make melee actually true melee, and make projectile melee a side dish
@cobalt pewter yeah thats why i like the exoblade
sand umbra
Terraria and Calamity boss design dictastes that true melee cannot be useful
sick tundra
its main aspect is true melee but if you want a projectile too here you go i guess
sand umbra
you cannot change this without making sizable fundamental changes to each boss
sick tundra
well i mean
sand umbra
also, just for the record
I feel like you're targeting the wrong ripper here
sick tundra
i watched a video where someone did true melee against most bosses
sand umbra
why not suggest something related to rage
cobalt pewter
^
sick tundra
and that was by using adrenaline + fetids
cobalt pewter
Rage is more problematic as far as I know
sand umbra
Adrenaline is for nohitting
and true melee almost never goes with nohitting
cobalt pewter
Adrenaline is actually mostly fine
sick tundra
so i thought that should be more viable
cobalt pewter
With the way it's designed
sick tundra
Adrenaline is for nohitting
and true melee almost never goes with nohitting
@sand umbra i disagree
sick tundra
you nohit for a while and then you can finally be reckless
i meant the first part
i want to be able to charge up adrenaline then rush into an enemy with my true melee sword
cobalt pewter
But yeah, adrenaline isn't geared with true melee in mind
Rage does
But it's still poorly executed
sand umbra
rippers in general were a mistake
sick tundra
even then you can just lower the numbers and make it an argument for making adrenaline more rewarding
tawny garden
it already is, no?
sick tundra
Rage does
@cobalt pewter maybe then
just make the change for rage and add it to the heart of darkness instead
or the laudanum since its kinda useless tbh
coarse trout
yeah laudanum isn't good
iirc all it does is makes horror a positive buff
nice ig but not worth an accessory slot
sick tundra
really i just want true melee rushdown attacks to be more viable to linking it to rage/adrenaline
nice ig but not worth an accessory slot
@coarse trout especially since horror only lasts 1 second anyways
and people who play revengeance can probably get hit less than every 2 seconds so
cobalt pewter
You can rework your sugg then, no specifics
sick tundra
aight i will
proper grail
Hey, how long does it usually take suggestions to get moved into the voting channel? I've had one there for well over 12 hours and the one after mine got put in
tawny garden
24 hours
sand umbra
it takes 24 hours, give or take a few minutes, for any suggestion to be put into voting
proper grail
Then why is the one after mine already there . . .
sand umbra
what one was after yours, pray tell
proper grail
It was the Demonshade toggle one
cobalt pewter
Reminder that the suggestion bot is down
ashen warren
yes
cobalt pewter
So suggs won't be automatically sent for now
Ping a mod if you seen a sugg late in delivery to voting
ashen warren
there is one
cobalt pewter
Actually right now there's only one sugg a bit behind due
sand umbra
pick a mod at random @wooden wedge hi can you move https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/699359022364491868/764871207169556500 to voting
cobalt pewter
KEK
proper grail
I'm just wondering, I've never been to main before yesterday. Patron servers are more quiet lol
wooden wedge
@sand umbra death
cobalt pewter
Bruh
tawny garden
life
sand umbra
I already have enough death
thank you for the offer, though
pine star
tight quarry
hello
tawny garden
@dapper coral you didn't star
hearty yew
I did.
dapper coral
oh, thanks ozz
hearty yew
Solved the problem.
tawny garden
hearty yew
once again my religious checking of suggs proves to be useful lol
tawny garden
dapper coral
epic
ashen lark
Btw, why isn't the bot doing the posts?
frail mantle
bot's down for the moment
mossy badge
frail mantle
real void hours
tawny garden
why
because it's down
ashen lark
why
@mossy badge life sucks