so guys I've been thinking, if polter is more mobile now yharim's true ultisword should get a buff since it can barely catch up to it as it is right now. Is anything wrong with this or should I just make a sugg
#suggestions-discussion
cosmic jungle
craggy stratus
pulse dragon, galactus blade, devil's sunrise, mourning star are fast options for polter
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/758745713638113321 this sugg has reached 200 stars
tawny garden
patience™️, please
craggy stratus
too excited because thought my sugg died
heady storm
-Please do not ask why your suggestion isn't delivered or ping a mod to do so, it is not automated, it will be delivered, give it time.
craggy stratus
mb, i did this a few times and wasnt stopped
tawny garden
that's not a reason to keep doing it
craggy stratus
wont do it next time
cosmic jungle
Pulse dragon, devils sunrise and mourningstar are also way too short range
And idk how you'd hit polter with galactus concistently
Since he goes offscreen a lot
craggy stratus
isnt ring arena better for polter now
maybe not pulse dragon
but the rest should go through tiles
and by going slowly near the edge, polter is basically close enough for you to hit those
foggy plover
you can fight polter in a 40x40 arena now, donut still works better but open is viable again
analog tulip
you can make an artifical dungeon biome pretty easily
you can just expand the dungeon
It would be easy to assume a dungeon boss would enrage out of the dungeon
terse sundial
why here
tired haven
hollow shell
@signal glade 1. Don't all-caps
2. You need a reason, which needs to be on a separate line (Shift+Enter) in the same message, for the bot to format it properly
sleek hornet
@signal glade can you give the reason?
signal glade
ow
I was forced to fight every boss until plaguebringer goliath which took me ONE DAY OF CONTINOUS FIGHTING IT
hollow shell
You can edit your message
sweet yarrow
Would asking for a new dungeon be too much
signal glade
i am so very much in pain
hollow shell
Yes it would, Goodboi
sweet yarrow
Dang sky dungeon tho
hollow shell
That's also a Don't, in the pinned Don'ts doc
sand umbra
now I'm no expert on the true technicalities of sugg rules but I'm pretty sure that falls under the grand-scale Don't
sweet yarrow
o
hollow shell
New biome suggestions can't happen
sleek hornet
Would asking for a new dungeon be too much
@sweet yarrow whic messege is that
hollow shell
He was asking pre-suggestion
violet dagger
bruh wot is this
hollow shell
which is good practice.
ashen warren
also you can disable armageddon and defiled mode by using them again i think
sweet yarrow
Yes
hollow shell
Yes ^
@signal glade I'm not sure what the issue is here, wdym you were "forced" to fight all the bosses up to PBG?
Ah you have edited
sleek hornet
maybe MP
signal glade
ps im VERY FORGETFUL
sweet yarrow
Rover is it just me or is Plague bringer bugged in multiplayer
hollow shell
Not the person to ask
sweet yarrow
Ok
glass sentinel
i mean many thing are bugged in mp
hollow shell
Go to #bugs-read-pins I guess, if you wanna send some evidence of it like video
cobalt pewter
That, my friend, is how I remembered to make sugg difficulty items have tooltips that indicate whether they're on
cobalt pewter
But maybe after eating
hollow shell
Anyway
Mhartz this seems like a very specific situation
sweet yarrow
Just use it again to see if it was on or not
glass sentinel
also title
ashen warren
yes
glass sentinel
and its not hard to just turn it off
signal glade
After a long hiatus you seem to forget a lot of things
hollow shell
You had Defiled activated, left for a long time, and then returned while forgetting that it was on
and you don't know the extent of Defiled or Revengeance/Death enough to know that the wing time cut is a Defiled effect
... and you bothered to fight every Hardmode boss without wings before you realized something was amiss
glass sentinel
mhm
sweet yarrow
How do you not notice
glass sentinel
i mean sometimes i do that as well
sweet yarrow
It’s pretty noticeable the difference
glass sentinel
but its not too hard to just turn it off after you realise
ashen warren
yeah but if it happens it would be annoying to the people playing the modes too
its more of a personal problem imo
signal glade
imma delete the post it was very specific
hollow shell
Specificity isn't a problem with this one, no
Well uhh
your situation, yes
but in terms of your suggested change itself then no
Well, regardless
You won't need to worry about this for much longer because we're getting on-screen icons telling you which challenge modes are on
which will make it a lot harder to miss from now on
and that's not just a Soon™️ like I'm actually saying that's coming soon now
signal glade
You know what it needs an icon
hollow shell
Arma? Getting one as well.
signal glade
THANK GOD
hollow shell
Rev and Death are too, all the mode items
signal glade
that is what it actually needs
glass sentinel
pogggu
hollow shell
Iron Heart
signal glade
wait wont that stack over the buffs?
or its an icon above where the rage and adrenaline are?
hollow shell
s'goin on the right near the minimap afaik
hollow shell
Might change in development but that's the current plan
signal glade
nice
ashen warren
Possibly add some good ones 
glass sentinel
also what do you mean by 'good ones'
zenith hazel
@signal glade please be more specific and add a reason
ashen warren
good ones 
heady storm
Yeah, that extra comment is kind of insulting.
cobalt pewter
That's too broad
And
Nothing
What to buff? Why should you buff? How in general should you buff?
zenith hazel
man took his smoke bomb and vanished without a trace
ashen warren
it is a matter of opinion on what is good and what is not
ashen warren
tesla cannon
signal glade
i just edited it
violet dagger
i think there's a medium between too broad and too specific
cobalt pewter
Pulse Pistol is gud too
heady storm
@signal glade you were already asked before to properly format your suggestions.
hollow shell
Oh you just changed the entire suggestion
zenith hazel
we're not adding more arsenal weps
hollow shell
and yeah you need to format your suggestion properly
needs a title line at the top, separate line, summarizing what you wanna see changed
zenith hazel
and again, not every single arsenal stuff is bad
hollow shell
Like this
Reason reason reason reason reason
signal glade
How to format though i do know how to seperate
hollow shell
Shift+Enter
zenith hazel
the entirety of tier 4 is pretty strong
signal glade
thx
zenith hazel
tier 5 also has some notable ones
the ones that could use a buff are tier 2 ones but that's it
zenith hazel
also, you said that they deal no damage to post-ml bosses
hollow shell
Also oh my god the entire suggestion is a run on sentence
Mhartz please, add some periods, organize your thoughts
zenith hazel
even though over half of the weps span pre-hm and hm
ashen warren
arent weapons suggs not allowed
zenith hazel
and again we're not adding more arsenal stuff so you shouldn't include adding more weps
hollow shell
Specific weapon suggs aren't allowed
What Mhartz is suggesting is valid, in terms of what is and isn't allowed
ashen warren
oh
hollow shell
Justified? Maybe not.
But technically valid
dapper coral
it's just a bit all over the place
ashen warren
yeah
dapper coral
and, as brav said, more arsenal stuff won't be added so that kinda invalidates that
hollow shell
It is indeed quite all over the place
- Post-ML Draedon weapons don't deal enough damage
- Please add a fast ranger wep cuz they're all slow high-damage types
- Reconsider the defense-based effects of the energy types
Pick one
zenith hazel
we're gonna be looking into rebalancing some of the arsenal weps next update anyway
dapper coral
pick one that's not the second one
zenith hazel
isn't heavy laser rifle pretty fast anyway?
cobalt pewter
Yeah
Though I can see the point of ranger arsenal weapons. From T3 onwards, ranged arsenal weaps are all themed "Rifles"
hollow shell
Yeah but that doesn't have anything to do with the weapons being underpowered
If he wants to make a sugg about their usage variety then he can, but put it in a separate sugg
cobalt pewter
True, I'm referring more to the "fast automatic" thing
hollow shell
Aight cool he did
cobalt pewter
Might make a sugg about these rifles later
zenith hazel
the gimmicks exist to complement their energy types
signal glade
isn't heavy laser rifle pretty fast anyway?
@zenith hazel i tried using this gun and it just tickles bosses for some reason
zenith hazel
plasma, gauss, laser, pulse, electricity all have some sort of strong point and weak point
zenith hazel
have you tried actually comparing it to different weps?
hollow shell
From the wording in your suggestion it really seems like you didn't do much proper testing
You see "does more damage against" and you think OVERPOWERED, you see "does less damage against" and you think UNUSABLE
Just the vibe I'm getting
pure storm
Whats a good melee weapon for the poltergeist?
hollow shell
Ask in #help-advice-read-pins
ashen warren
how the hell did you type so fast
hollow shell
(or look at [[Guide:Class_setups]])
red stormBOT
signal glade
my point is that buff the draedon weapons
ashen warren
provide dps numbers compared to alt weapons for that tier then
cobalt pewter
Afaik, Heavy Laser Rifle actually does p well vs Signuts
signal glade
i deleted the post because i really cant support my suggestion
ashen warren
signuts
sand umbra
...answer my question please 
zenith hazel
which ones?
signal glade
signuts
zenith hazel
because we don't have the time to buff all 25
zenith hazel
and risk some of them being overpowered
signal glade
yeah it may be a risk
zenith hazel
then be specific, please
hollow shell
This is what happens when you make almost all the weapons first then decide on their tiers afterwards
cobalt pewter
violet dagger
hollow shell
not joking
cobalt pewter
Oh shit
whole sedge
near shuttle
I know dev don't take new accesories suggestion, but I wanted to share my idea anyways, it would be cool to have a way to charge dreadon arsenal weapon without having to go back to your base everytime, for exemple an accesorie called "dreadon's solar pannel" that would slowly recharge any weapon in your inventory when you are at the surface during the days.
cobalt pewter
You can always suggest that without specifics
heady storm
You could actually attempt to suggest that, so be it if it isn't too specific, yeah.
cobalt pewter
I'd rather go for consumables tho
heady storm
Portable batteries with the power cells.
heady storm
cobalt pewter
Because test chargers were pretty handy tbh
So yeah, having a portable option for charging would be pogger
heady storm
All of them require charge now actually @near shuttle.
near shuttle
thanks
cobalt pewter
The last sugg has no dots at all aside from the very end
So it looks like the entire content of the sugg is on a single sentence
near shuttle
ho yeah, my bad.
cobalt pewter
Mfw half of the suggs in posting is mine
cobalt pewter
Man, habit's never going away eh
tawny garden
you're also sabotaging yourself cause not many people go far enough to star your suggs
tawny garden
signal glade
bruh
fringe sky
7 more Stars for Planetoid ahhh
hollow shell
I haven't seen Polter's charge or its telegraph so I'm interested
violet dagger
Does he make a sound like ds
hollow shell
afaik no
violet dagger
Or does he just yeet him self at you
tawny garden
I should probably play Calamity at some point
hollow shell
mmh yeah
sand umbra
yeah, that would probably be beneficial to the art of making and criticizing suggestions
it might help a little bit
hollow shell
Ah it's like this
https://gyazo.com/5863ac5daa5c16d08c8ba85912c6c319
tawny garden
m
hollow shell
I agree that a sprite change would look better than this tint
But, this tint is also fine.
cobalt pewter
The rock body thing got colored funky when the entire thing got tinted
But yeah
Mimicking the color scheme of polter's drops would be pogger indeed
gray nebula
funny sword class
hollow idol
All 3 hardmode cal bars, Meld, Uel, and Cosmilite sets don't have dedicated summoner weapons 
mossy badge
you didnt count auric tho
hollow idol
is there even a solid auric set
gusty scarab
at least there actually are summon weapons at that tier
fossil finch
Summonner likes to stand alone in this mineral weps stuff for most of vanilla and i've also see this a lot in modded
ashen warren
cosmic immaterializer is summon?
hollow idol
cosmimaterializer is exo, not auric
fossil finch
Like spider shit and no chloro armor for example
gusty scarab
down in pre hardmode we got squirrel squire, wulfrum/slime, sunspirit/frost blossom, ?????????, belladonna/stormlion
hollow idol
but auric kinda doesn't exist anyways
cobalt pewter
victide crafts how many melee weapons?
Same can be said with literally anything else in terms of material
gusty scarab
problem is that about 10 dps can't reliably kill the enemies that drop the next mini tier
at least for me
unreal viper
There def are too many melee weapons imo.
fossil finch
I mean but for victide you need cnidrions or ds and for ds everyone uses stormlion and people get stormlion with belladona or wulfrum drone since slime staff drop is bs and ss staff is just not reliable
hollow shell
We do have plans to add more bar summon weapons
Ueli, Life Alloy constituents, and some more
but uhh no Victide, actually
ashen warren
yes
hollow shell
We did discover a post-DS tier summon weapon that got completely forgotten about in a Trello, so that might be arriving at some point
unreal viper
Add a victide sentry.
gusty scarab
actually!
ashen warren
sentry
gusty scarab
maybe something that does the Cnidrion's spray attack?
ashen warren
yes
hollow shell
I think it's fine as "summon weapon" because that implies summon damage, i.e. both minions and sentries
tawny garden
fair
hollow shell
(imo don't refer to minions as "summons" when trying to differentiate from sentries, makes things confusing)
gusty scarab
ok so i'm just gonna throw some ideas out here
sentry that does Cnidrion's attack
a Victory Shard that floats around and shoots something
a small water typhoon thing like what Amidas' Trident shoots
a seashell that flies in a boomerang like pattern
gem crawler with coral on it's back?
i just learned what the "seashell boomerang" is called
damn it
hot zephyr
baby Cnidrion sentry that drops from DS would be adorable
echo vector
👏baby👏cnidrion👏
hollow shell
I do kinda doubt "Early game has a severe lack of good summon weapons"
considering
There are 6 pre-boss summons and 3 post-1boss tier summons
Plus these two if you count partial EoW/BoC fights
(plus Caustic Croaker, sentry)
gusty scarab
how do you do the caustic croaker
cerulean estuary
vanilla summoner said frick ore progression
hollow shell
Sulphur Scale craft
cerulean estuary
i see no reason why mods can't do the same
hollow shell
gusty scarab
is that pre boss?
hollow shell
Nah, Acid Rain is post-EoC
echo vector
is caustic croaker even good? from what ive seen its very meh
gusty scarab
so basically pre boss every option is either hard to get or pretty bad
cerulean estuary
what
gusty scarab
these are the options here
dry latch
yes
gusty scarab
Squirrel Squire is unreliable
dry latch
and what else do you even need?
hollow shell
It'd make more sense to buff the stuff that's here than to add new things and leave the old ones to just be bad
gusty scarab
Wulfrum Droid has pretty low dps and likes to not shoot underground
glacial kettle
wasn't squirrel squire just buffed?
gusty scarab
Frost Blossom and Sun Spirit both float too high to be effective underground
Slime Staff takes years to get
dry latch
wdym you can craft those
gusty scarab
wait you can?
dry latch
pink gel iirc
echo vector
slime staff just takes a slime statue + some wiring you can find underground
gusty scarab
oh, pink gel
pretty bad but not as bad
slime staff just takes a slime statue + some wiring you can find underground
@echo vector slime statues don't drop the staff
and it still takes a pretty long time to get it
glacial kettle
Tmodloader is still 1.3.5 so if it was patched in 1.4, it doesn't count
gusty scarab
well i don't tend to mine much
dry latch
so just use frost blossom
gusty scarab
yeah
i think if the blossoms/sun spirit were 1 or 2 blocks lower they'd be beller
or maybe let them shoot through blocks or something
dry latch
is what I usually do for pre-boss:
frost blossom + sun staff -> stromlion -> kill DS
shooting through blocks would be too overpowered imo. they're fine as is. you need to play around the ai yeah, but that's summoner's thing
gusty scarab
i'm getting a whole lot of this
unreal viper
You have a decent amount of options pre-boss, my main problem is a chronic lack of sentries.
dry latch
I use squirrel as a sentry lol
gusty scarab
and this
dry latch
so you have to move to use a weapon instead of being afk? how is that a problem?
gusty scarab
dry latch
you can easily solve all those problems with a hook/platforms
glacial kettle
Most of these could be solved with a few platforms
gusty scarab
i have to put myself at risk of getting hit with 50 damage to get a chance to get a hit
dry latch
just like every other class then?
melee is obvious, range, mage and rogue needs line sight
gusty scarab
and NOW what do i do
glacial kettle
I don't think the problems are with the summoner class
dry latch
use other summons? like the slime staff or the squirrel?
glacial kettle
Feels more like you complaining
gusty scarab
well for one i trashed my squirrel
dry latch
you can just summon the squirrel right next to the cnidrion, it can't do shit
and that's the mod's fault?
gusty scarab
well i didn't think i'd need it
sand umbra
1.4 didn't make Slime Staff unobtainable from statues what
that's like the only reasonable way to get it without alt methods
gusty scarab
i think most of this is me being god awful at the game
robust lava
1.4 made it so a player has to damage the statue mob for it to drop items, but it is still definitely obtainable
sand umbra
like y'all forget that Slime Statue farming is the only way summoner is playable to any extent in 1.4
gusty scarab
well i'd normally just dual class and that fixes everything
dry latch
yeah the bird sucks indeed. summoner pre bee is hell
gusty scarab
the bird with a plat bow does not suck, however
unreal viper
Use explosives to kill yourself and take a couple segments of eow with you
gusty scarab
honestly
unreal viper
But anydoodles
gusty scarab
that is a decent strat
unreal viper
Regarding earlygame summoner stuff in calamity.
fossil finch
The bird with plat bow does suck, what isn't sucking there is the plat bow
gusty scarab
they're really good above ground
underground the require skill
which is not something i have
tawny garden
get them skillz
gusty scarab
or like any mobility accessory would be nice
exotic stag
Ya'll talkin bout summoner?
gusty scarab
yeah
exotic stag
vanilla or modded?
gusty scarab
modded
exotic stag
Heres my tip for early game
exotic stag
well i saw yall talkin bout summoner..
so i might as well add my thought
since well
dapper coral
no
exotic stag
i beat vanilla summoner and got post ml summoner..
dry latch
we still technically discussing the victide thing
unreal viper
The topic is whether summoner needs more weapons post-ds
exotic stag
Oh victide just use stormlion
exotic stag
Victide can get belladonna and stormlion really..
so i'd say dont really give it any weapon
unreal viper
Imo there are enough minions, but I would quite like like a sentry.
unreal viper
Yeah.
exotic stag
unreal viper
Plus, the vanilla ones are kinda eh.
exotic stag
Ballista and flameburst are really the only good vanilla sentries
unreal viper
Their usefulness is pretty questionable.
Ballista is ok but slow in fire rate
Leading to poor dps
dry latch
what would a sentry be needed for tho? what problem about summoner will early game sentry solve? bad summon ai lol
unreal viper
Just to add more variety in terms of the types of weapons you have.
exotic stag
I mean the only good sentries come post hardmode
dry latch
but that'd add a huge chunk in summoner dps
unreal viper
Depends on how godo the sentry is
exotic stag
maybe just make it like the nuclear toad
its a starfish that explodes
and shoots 5 homing projectiles
but it does little damage
dry latch
but nuclear toad is shit
unreal viper
Eh, feel like it could do something different
dry latch
it ain't worth the mana you summon it with
exotic stag
3 spikes
dry latch
exactly, cuz otherwise summoner would be too strong
gusty scarab
well summoner isn't too strong early hardmode
dry latch
DS is a worm and will get shredded by any sentry that stays longer than nuclear toad does
gusty scarab
although i just suck
exotic stag
piercing weapons just
sand umbra
DS is a worm and will get shredded by any sentry that stays longer than nuclear toad does
exotic stag
no
dry latch
kek true
exotic stag
The victide thing could just hit once
wait no
give it a coral sentry
that does 1 damage but inflicts a debuff
It inflicts like a impaled debuff
which is like bleeding but worse
dry latch
sis bad
exotic stag
Well its a thought
But other then a sentry victide doesnt need a summon
so @gusty scarab I'd suggest changing it from "summon" to "sentry"
unreal viper
Is the sentry worked more like a ballista ds would not get shredded.
exotic stag
What im saying is make it like a debuff sentry
where it does super little damage
but inflicts like a bleeding debuff
dry latch
why do cnidrions drop victide anyway? it makes balancing around it harder than it's supposed to cuz it's both pre-boss and post boss
exotic stag
post miniboss
hollow shell
because fuck early jungling
exotic stag
I'd say exclamation mark it for now
dry latch
it's technically valid tho. but reasoning ain't really that strong
dry latch
not really. the devs can decide on their own on what kind of weapon it should be
sand umbra
all sentries are summons
not all summons are sentries, but all sentries are summons
the sugg is asking for just any sort of Victide summon weapon
not a minion specifically
its reasoning additionally is valid, however weak it may be
I've been meaning to address the lack of an actual Victide summon wep for months
okay so
IHS
I like this sugg but given the devs' hesitation to even fucking
acknowledge OOA
I don't really think it's going to happen
sand umbra
good thing sentries in Calamity are too inconsistent in viability for killtimes to matter thanks to how Calamity's boss design in particular mandates moving around at mach 19 the majority of the time
the OOA sentries are no exception, with their main purpose being just that: OOA
even in vanilla they don't find much use outside the event aside from hilarious ballista spam
exotic stag
y e s
dry latch
does calamity even buff the event? (can't find any mention of it in the wiki). cuz buffing the weapons without buffing the event would just make it even more laughable
unreal viper
Bruh
sand umbra
Calamity doesn't touch OOA at all
unreal viper
Ooa is hell in calamity, fear it
dapper coral
other than funny dragon meteor staff, OOA is unaffected by calamity
unreal viper
5 0 % damage penalty
exotic stag
DW for my sugg. i will record it
dry latch
tbf the last time I did OOA was back when the dmg penalty was just 25%, but it was absurdly easy back then
sand umbra
summoner is the only class that has an easy time with OOA, in my experience
sand umbra
if you're not using those sentries and some summons you will get your ass served to you hot and fresh on a silver platter
pine star
Yeah
exotic stag
also are we ignoring my sugg?
pine star
I learned that the hard way as melee
exotic stag
dapper coral
ye
exotic stag
I fixed it up a tiny bit with my errors
dry latch
does anyone know how old the calamity npc sprites are? would it even be reasonable to suggest updating them?
dapper coral
you can't suggest resprites on the sole basis of "they are bad", that's for sure
dunno where outdatedness falls under that
exotic stag
I mean maybe one of them could use a resprite to update it to the latest sprite
dry latch
yeah, that's not what I'm saying. am going along the lines of "bosses get resprited for being old so maybe npcs should too"
grim tusk
So i was testing ranger against scal (glass cannon) and the new update just butchered it; Gale which did 410k now does >230k. If you're nohitting only photo and drat are viable, the rest of ranger's arsenal just died
glacial kettle
Outdatedness kind of falls along the lines of bad
sand umbra
good
dry latch
and "it no longer matches with the art style that the mobs have"
craggy stratus
410k is bad enough to trigger reactive DR
exotic stag
are we still ignoring my sugg
glacial kettle
If people don't talk about it, then people don't talk about it
craggy stratus
your sugg is good for me
sand umbra
now hold up just a fucking second
grim tusk
we need to buff elequiver to 15% dmg
grim tusk
i was running extreme glass (since nohits)
sand umbra
last I checked, SCal's nohit DPS guideline is 170k
dapper coral
200k, but still yes
exotic stag
SDFMG can get 300k on scal
dapper coral
230k is damn good still
grim tusk
most important guideline is lenght of nohit
dapper coral
besides, the game isn't balanced around nohitting
craggy stratus
SDFMG can get 300k on scal
wait what
unreal viper
wut
pine star
WHAT
craggy stratus
is that a joke
grim tusk
SDFMG can get 300k
wtf
sleek turret
what
exotic stag
nope
tawny garden
grim tusk
how
craggy stratus
craggy stratus
do you have any other mods?
exotic stag
sdfmg with auric armor and luminite bullets
sleek turret
hmm
exotic stag
i had fargo's souls but was only using stardust soul
craggy stratus
ah
grim tusk
not even the op photoviscerator left click (right click busted)
craggy stratus
fargo mod ofc
dapper coral
anyway
exotic stag
slowdown cant do that much anyway
i tested it with scal again
and it did only 150k
dapper coral
it's not like 230k is bad by any stretch, i don't think that gale needs a buff
craggy stratus
we only discuss balance in calamity-only
exotic stag
with the time stop
tawny garden
are you... running another weird mod?
did you cherrypick an outdated Calamity version?
sand umbra
byeah 230k is not bad on SCal like
grim tusk
gale doesnt need a buff; elemental quiver needs a buff
sleek turret
are you sure that you didn't use LuiAFK Unlimited Buffs + AlchNPC Combinations? (since these stack eachother)
sand umbra
Elemental Quiver just got nerfed
exotic stag
kaizo
grim tusk
elemental quiver was brought to the ground
dapper coral
if anything, this actually made it more balanced
exotic stag
i never knew luiafk existed until yall told me
sand umbra
as it should've been
glacial kettle
I think the weapons being strong and balanced is better than the accessories carrying
craggy stratus
beside fargo
grim tusk
even necklace of vexation, VoE or any emblem is preferable over quiver now
exotic stag
unreal sdfmg with lumi bullets
sleek turret
potions?
sleek turret
yeah
pine star
Why
exotic stag
I think it was just regen speed and ironskin
accessories were celestial tracers
menacing all remember
exotic stag
uh
sand umbra
huh
exotic stag
auric armor
Im trying to remember here lol
since im in school..
hold on..
gimme a sec. ima boot up tmod to just check
grim tusk
imma test it with the extreme glass setup that im using
sleek turret
hmm.
sand umbra
no test it with average gear
grim tusk
first glass then average
sand umbra
good
craggy stratus
imma use ele quiver, core of blood god, rampant of deities, celestial tracer, astral arcanum, the absorber, reaper tooth necklace, and cryo lore
all menancing
grim tusk
not even with glass sdfmg passes 35k on Scal, you have to be using something like fargo's souls to make it do more than gale nado spam
sand umbra
oh my god
exotic stag
Yharims gift
sand umbra
I should be working on DD instead of having
whatever argument this is
so I'm just going to step away before I say something I know I might vaguely regret later if I go through with
🛫
unreal viper
:brazil:
pine star
What is DD
grim tusk
death defiled
pine star
Oh
sand umbra
it's #other-mod-talk stuff
grim tusk
oh so i dunno then
sand umbra
thank you, Storm, for giving a false answer to the question meant for me before I could answer myself
exotic stag
Normality relocator because why not
i used universe of bows which only has 1 accessory and its just wings
but instead i replaced it
because it was shit wings
sleek turret
the wings has some other effect like more damage or crits?
dry latch
is this gonna lead to a sugg or is related to one? cuz otherwise it might be better to move to cal talk or something
dry latch
your sugg is nanotech
sleek turret
nanotech is for rogue
exotic stag
yeah my sugg was nanotech nerf for super fast weps like nanoblack because
it throws a second of the same item
sleek turret
nanotech summons green thingies.
frail mantle
nanotech doesn't throw a second of the same item
sleek turret
yeah
frail mantle
it just summons extra projectiles
sleek turret
then, its the Venerated Locket?
sleek turret
since that summons other projectiles of other items
exotic stag
look at this
frail mantle
also remember that Nanoblack was specifically designed to synergize well with Nanotech
maybe try some other weapons and see if they lag you as much
exotic stag
i managed to get this
pine star
They're named very similar after all
sleek turret
uhh, since that you are taking screenshots, could you take a screenshot of your equipement?
pine star
exotic stag
sleek turret
I see.
exotic stag
Executioners blade is also lagging my game
dry latch
can you reproduce it with just calamity?
sleek turret
yeah
exotic stag
its just calamity..
sleek turret
no
exotic stag
all my accessories and weapons are calamity..
sleek turret
there's Alchemist NPC potions
craggy stratus
nope, sdfmg barely get 40k on scal
hollow shell
ya still got AlchNPC potions in your inventory even after we pointed em out like 4 times before
craggy stratus
must be fargo
sleek turret
yeah
exotic stag
none of them fucking add projectile rogue speed
sleek turret
but add damage
exotic stag
watch i'll trash all of em
craggy stratus
you have venerated locket, it literally double the amount of projectiles
hollow shell
Referring more to the conversation as a whole.
exotic stag
damage cant change projectiles added
and when i did my ranger run. i didnt have alch npc at the time
hollow shell
Aight that's good
dry latch
aren't there more projectiles during yharon's fight?
hollow shell
Uh I mean
exotic stag
thats with executioners blade..
i used executioners blade
nanoblack is even worse to use
hollow shell
enemy projectiles, yes
dry latch
do they not share the same projectile count?
sleek turret
well, then remove the accesory who causes the lag to happen
exotic stag
which is venerated locket
sleek turret
yeah
exotic stag
without locket i can get super good frames
dry latch
and your sugg is nanotech
sleek turret
yeah
dry latch
oh it changed
dry latch
problem with reducing the number of projectiles for venerated locket is that it got a 75 dmg softcap. it relies on spamming the screen to be actually useful
sleek turret
hmm yes, makes sense
exotic stag
What i was trying to mean was
for the super fast weapons like nanoblack
make it a slower firing rate
because otherwise for low end pcs that cant handle that
circuits would fry
dry latch
yeah, which would make the accessory bad
exotic stag
its still good for stuff like scarlet
dry latch
cuz it won't deal enough dmg to be useful
dry latch
75 dmg soft cap. with 90% decrease for everything above that
exotic stag
you got none of what i just said..
you can up the damage for weapons that get the too many projectiles nerf
dry latch
yes and I'm telling you to mention that
exotic stag
There. is that better for you!?
jesus everything has to be perfect for anything for people in this server.
dry latch
but that's the point of this channel
dapper coral
there's no point in getting upset at us
we are trying to help your suggestion be the best it can for it to succeed
exotic stag
this is why i muted the sugg channels 
edgy sundial
because you don't understand how it works?
exotic stag
nope because it gets annoying
sleek turret
well, how do you expect the mod progress without a community helping it?
dry latch
-If someone is debunking your suggestion, or telling you why it's wrong fundamentally, don't take it as a personal attack. The points they make are to help you, they are giving you feedback on the suggestion, not you as a person.
dapper coral
indeed
tawny garden
- that role was brought up in the past
when?
dapper coral
it was a few months ago iirc? i seem to vaguely remember the idea of a suggester role
dry latch
that's more than a year ago lol
dapper coral
oh, that was ages ago
then i'm making it up lol, i wasn't here back then
but yes, the point is it won't work probably
broken berry
tawny garden
that wasn't the issue
it should be written in an imperative tone
for example, the title should be "Supreme Calamitas should always spawn in the same location every fight"
also I dunno how feasible would this be to implement
but I guess it's possible
tawny garden
Suggestion to make stealth rogue actually feasible #37 or smth
I think there have been more than 37 suggs about stealth
tawny garden
yeah, but
people usually overestimate with those random numbers
and you underestimated
cobalt pewter
Huh, maybe
Adding a pure elem tier rogue was rejected
So I guess this should just do the trick
unreal viper
At least the devs gave feedback on it.
sand umbra
me when the only elemental rogue wep is literally just a splitting boomerang
cobalt pewter
Haha boomerang go snip snip
hollow shell
@broken berry You should reword your top line
You gotta word it like a suggestion/command rather than a statement, cuz the way you have it currently could be confusing
cobalt pewter
"Supreme Calamitas should spawn in the exact same spot every time." Kinda like that, for example
zenith hazel
should we tell them the stuff regarding melee/rogue variants rover?
foggy plover
just give non specifics tbh
hollow shell
Uhh I dunno how imminent those plans are so I'll hold off
cobalt pewter
plans
sand umbra
well now you have me curious
cobalt pewter
That alone is enough to reel me in
hollow shell
I'll tell you once I have them done
dapper coral
yes.
zenith hazel
that's how teasers work
cobalt pewter
Okay, will note: "shit's about to go down with melee/rogue, and rover is hanging it right above our heads"
sand umbra
...we'll come back to this later, I suppose
cobalt pewter
I literally wrote that exact note by word on rover's profile, so that I don't forget
hollow shell
ah
tawny garden
are you using discord notes
cobalt pewter
Yes
tawny garden
you scare me
cobalt pewter
Tho, on mobile UI, it's weird to look at
hollow shell
I keep Discord notes on everybody significant
cobalt pewter
I rarely need to note unless the person I know likes changing everything about their acc
hollow shell
nah I gotchu
cobalt pewter
So that I don't lose track of them
tawny garden
👀
cobalt pewter
Anyway, a bit offtopic, but summary, some big shit will go down with melee/rogue, but I'll keep my sugg just in case
hollow shell
Yeah you can keep it
cobalt pewter
dapper coral
...what? @ashen warren
wooden wedge
I googled it and it showed images from roblox
tawny garden
I got this sugg on the hall of shame forever
wooden wedge
death
frail mantle
i feel like this is a ro-ghoul moment
zenith hazel
that explains so much
zenith hazel
mhm, this is the server for the terraria mod called calamity, not a roblox server
wooden wedge
....it's not?
zenith hazel
moving on
zenith hazel
if they don't consume stealth then they'll get the stealth damage boost 100% of the time
that's practically broken
crystal iron
Then make them not get the stealth bonus orrrrrr make them not regenerate stealth
Which would make even more sense
zenith hazel
that's not how it works
whole sedge
They also consume stealth because every single rogue weapon does also, it'd be better just to give them stealth strikes really 
zenith hazel
stealth regen isn't associated with using weapons in that way
if you're wearing a rogue set then stealth regen/charge exists
crystal iron
Ye I made a mistake there
Then make them not get any stealth bonus
Or give them a stealth strike
One or the other
void kelp
dont rogue weaps get a benefit from stealth even w/o a strike since like
increased crit rate
cobalt pewter
Increased dmg and crit chance yes (guaranteed crit with dark god sheath)
hollow shell
You gonna edit your sugg @crystal iron ? Looks like people already corrected you
crystal iron
Oh yes I didn't see
tawny garden
uh
craggy stratus
isnt that SIS
tawny garden
yea
dapper coral
yeahhhhhh
tidal musk
cringe
dapper coral
that's a no, chief
tawny garden
also RIV sugg 
tidal musk
the need for frog leg RIV transcends the rules
tawny garden
it doesn't
tawny garden
because I said so
dapper coral
(seriously, let it go bro)
violet dagger
one does not create smth that can transcend the rules
violet dagger
no you can't :echgun:
tawny garden
cause I'm a gud boi
cobalt pewter
The yoyo's sounds are intended to mimic an actual microwave yes
ashen warren
yeah
cobalt pewter
But I can see the beep being a bit annoying
dapper coral
mmyeah, that's kinda the point
but it could be irritating
rose jewel
I just hate when it keeps doing the beep if I keep pulling it in
Honestly just a cool down or something for the beep would be cool
sand umbra
here's a question: why are you continuously pulling it in
rose jewel
you have a point idk it’s been a while since I was using it
dusky canopy
good question but it gets annoying if I'm using it a lot anyway
sand umbra
Microwave has infinite airtime
rose jewel
It’s been a while since I used it I forgot I just remembered how annoying the beeping was if you pulled it in a lot
gaunt quest
I have noticed a few of the melee weapons that have a rogue counter part actually do more damage as a rogue weapon but maybe that's because they don't have stealth
cobalt pewter
Exactly
Something big will happen with these weapons, teased by brav and rover
So maybe waiting is the best atm
gaunt quest
Like for instance the one made from cryogen drops does more damage as a rogue weapon then as a melee but them not having stealth makes no sense lol
hollow shell
Actually the damage boost pre-dates stealth strikes iirc
It's due to balancing
Rogue equipment provides greater damage boosts on average than melee equipment
so they are actually both at about the same level if you have optimal gear for each
gaunt quest
Oh but doesn't recipe browser show the base damages because on it says that the cryogen items disk thing does 200 plus damage as a rogue weapon and like 100 some thing damage as melee
hollow shell
Wait which item are you referring to?
cobalt pewter
Seems like Kelvin Catalyst
hollow shell
Both Kelvin variants deal 70 damage tho, I can see it in the source
ashen warren
yeah
violet dagger
Just refer to people as they/them until you know their preferred pronouns
cobalt pewter
Look
ashen warren
yes.
ashen warren
yeah
unreal viper
:)
whole sedge
then location roles
and political affiliation roles
and then roles based on how many other roles you have
dapper coral
alright, we don't need to take this too out of hand, guys
we get it, you don't like the idea
ashen warren
so ❗ ig?
cobalt pewter
But yeah, role dilution is a thing
And it's not pretty
So might not wanna even start
dapper coral
Just refer to people as they/them until you know their preferred pronouns
@sleek hornet would this not work as well? and if so, why are roles better?
cobalt pewter
Plus, if ppl really want to have their pronouns known, one can ask a mod to nickname them with their pronouns
signal glade
would the celestial tracers if made as a hoverable item be beneficial?
signal glade
the vertical speed is really a problem but with the elysian shield buff it controls this problem so yeah its not necessary
cobalt pewter
Imagine making an op class even stronger
But Bloodfire Arrows have lifesteal
And Bloodfire Bullets speed up your regen
dapper coral
plus aeries, pearl god, claret cannon and aces high
(and aeries was damn good for lifesteal last i checked, i used it from post-plant up until pre-ML because i could just tank everything)
cobalt pewter
Aeries and Pearl God are post plant iirc, claret cannon is post provi like Bloodfire ammos, and aces high is post-Yharon?
Yeah Aeries is coolio
dapper coral
that is correct
signal glade
was bloodfire bullets just added?
cobalt pewter
Yes
dapper coral
yep, those are new
(well technically they were the projectile fired from Claret Cannon but now they're an actual ammo)
golden narwhal
this sugg applies more to summoner than ranger tbh imo
sleek hornet
I apologise for the late response, but well, it just my suggestion, I'm not begging anything or impose an opinion, I'm fine with someone who doesn't agree with it.
heady storm
There’s literally no incentive for the roles proposed to exist honestly.
People shouldn’t feel completely obligated to reveal their gender here, is what I am trying to say.
hollow shell
"Unlike rogue which is just a combination of ranger and melee..."
Doesn't help to be so reductive
heady storm
I don't see a need for life steal in particular.
signal glade
i know i have been suggesting so much crappy ideas
but how about the omega blue armor?
That armor has so many potentials but are destroyed by two things
It rips your life regen and offers 2 minion slot
i get what this armor wants to be
but to have no regen is just bad in itself
instead of making the armor a multi class armor why not make so that it IS a summoner armor?
maybe correct me if im wrong in this one
Decrease healing in the tentacles
Decrease damage
Increase minion slot from 2+ - 3-4 slots? maybe 5
remove the abyssal rage or revamp it
again correct some things of something is beyond fairness
cobalt pewter
The main appeal in Omega Blue is the Abyssal Rampage
Though it really feels like a melee armor thanks to the tentacles
Constant healing through tentacles seem like a good trade off to no life regen, but because going closer isn't gonna benefit anyone but true melee
Omega Blue feels pretty brittle when used with other classes
I'd say making it a true melee armor would make things interesting for the armor
signal glade
yeah but what if it has a variation like the plague armor?
instead of the tentacles it summons two floating abyssal leeches or abyssal eye tentacle
that acts as the orbs but is long range and has the ai of the fungal clump?
heady storm
Thing with Omega Blue is that it is intended to be more of a glass cannon set.
cobalt pewter
Thing with Omega Blue is that it is intended to be more of a glass cannon set.
Indeed, though I feel like the tentacles are rather iffy
It's supposed to cover for the lack of life regen, but no one aside from true melee wants to get THAT close without Rampage buff
heady storm
Trade off is literally the risk of getting hit if you want to recover.
signal glade
i mean after getting hit you wont expect the regen from the tentacles to recover the health if regen is there?
and yeah i didnt think about that true melee is a good armor for this
heady storm
Abyssal Madness expandes the tentacle reach, so I feel that is enough honestly.
cobalt pewter
Hmm, probably. I did suggest to make the tentacles more responsive, as they can miss DoG's head and tail easily unless you're trailing them
signal glade
hmm instead of no regen how about 25% only regen? and just remove the summoner buff its not fitting after this realization
quasi flume
I'm very bad at English so could you guys fix my suggestion if anything is wrong with it? besides the idea itself lol
Many thanks
cobalt pewter
I'd say adding 4 more possible directions should be enough
signal glade
I struggled with poltergast but that is with the dashes with necrogast is a bit overkill for me im bad
cobalt pewter
And the fight is already randomized enough. I don't wanna see the boss become a fucking nightmare again just because ppl found yet another cheese
Polter already messed with my mental a bit before .003
quasi flume
Idk I destroyed him in like 40 attempts with giant arena and a dragonfolly mount
wasn't that hard for me, but yeah
the boss was super unfair
cobalt pewter
Well you used a tunnel, of course polter is a joke
signal glade
Yeah i used more of a cylindrical arena
cobalt pewter
Point still stands