Uh, what?
#suggestions-discussion
solar kayak
craggy stratus
thankception
solar kayak
Oh, ok
hollow shell
Cuz your sugg is so controversial, people prolly won't vote on it
but, they can vote on it cuz it's valid now
dry latch
even if it somehow did, devs got veto anyway
solar kayak
Idk, some people seem to be on my side here
robust shuttle
optimism 100
hollow shell
but ya need 200 stars for the devs to get their official delivery
sand umbra
imagine getting to 200 stars
robust shuttle
well then.
sand umbra
solar kayak
Damn
robust shuttle
it's like that?
solar kayak
Alright, I gotta build up my political clout here
hollow shell
(Who knows, there may be a massive underground of people who dislike glass cannon and really want this sugg to become a thing. I've been surprised before.)
solar kayak
๐
robust shuttle
._.
sand umbra
I mean glass cannon probably ruins my day when tryin' to balance so hey I might actually care enough to star this
robust shuttle
dude I genuinely didn't know that the Cosmic Viper Engine existed pre-Rust and Dust
craggy stratus
you dont really need 200 stars tho, to get delivered and implemented
hollow shell
Well yes you do need 200 stars to get delivered
but it is true that it can be implemented before that happens
craggy stratus
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/759952321324777483 like this for example
robust shuttle
I really like my Subsuming Vortex suggestion tho
hollow shell
which usually happens for minor changes or things the devs were already in the process of doing
sand umbra
although then again I stopped focusin' on individual items after...I think it was Ancient Crusher becomin' the Fossil set hammer? I have no idea
solar kayak
When can people start voting?
robust shuttle
whenever
sand umbra
wait no it was after Hellkite recipe change
hollow shell
24 hours after you posted the sugg in #suggestions-posting
craggy stratus
24 hours after you post your sugg
hollow shell
It'll get moved over to #suggestions-voting
solar kayak
Ok
robust shuttle
oh
craggy stratus
as long as it doesnt have exclamation point after 24 hours
solar kayak
Btw, is my first one valid?
hollow shell
The waiting period exists so that you can make edits to your suggestion and get it all ship-shape and ready for public reveal
sand umbra
...I should sugg that again, actually, because the last time I posted it was during the star drought of August and I got no stars on it whatsoever
solar kayak
Ok
hollow shell
The reason is a bit small on your previous suggestion, but I think it makes sense.
sand umbra
...alternatively I can just like
cyberbully Ben into changing the Hellkite recipe or something
craggy stratus
also rover, isnt kami sugg now valid
hollow shell
Yes, thank you
sand umbra
but why cyberbully people when there's clout to be gathered from good suggs
hollow shell
Removed โ
robust shuttle
๐ฎ
hollow shell
What's up with the Hellkite recipe
is it just the weirdness of using a Perennial Bar
craggy stratus
imma not mention my sugg
sand umbra
yes
robust shuttle
hawh
sand umbra
it's literally just "make it use something else that's maybe a bit more actually suitable"
hollow shell
I'm personally fine with it, makes it a cool organic element
Pure fire sword + organic bar = Dragon sword
sand umbra
why does a big fuckoff fire sword upgraded from an earlier big fuckoff fire sword take literally just Chlorophyte 2 but this time actually in appreciable veins
hollow shell
mmm you're welcome 
robust shuttle
hawh
hollow shell
Also you're right.
We should also add Chlorophyte to the recipe
sand umbra
Rover please
robust shuttle
sand umbra
hollow shell
(what would be a better ingredient for Hellkite?)
radiant meadow
Add Adamantite because they're both red (don't add Titanium)
hollow shell
Sure, Cores of Chaos.
Scoria would put it in a different tier tho
hollow shell
Only slightly different
robust shuttle
but then again.
sand umbra
Cores of Chaos
Cores of Sunlight
Ashes of Calamity maybe if you don't mind it being post-Clonamitas as well
hollow shell
We could do Hellstone just for flavor yeah, but that might be redundant cuz the base sword is already using that
sand umbra
there isn't exactly a drought for options
craggy stratus
fiery greatsword + hellstone bars
hollow shell
But worried about using Ashes cuz that already makes like, mostly melee weapons
craggy stratus
maybe ectoplasm
hollow shell
Well if you add Cores of Chaos then you're already using Ectoplasm
craggy stratus
or ectoblood because it is underultilized
hollow shell
Unholy Core doesn't really fit with Hellkite's theme
sand umbra
Cores of Chaos and/or Cores of Sunlight would be the best approach, imo
craggy stratus
that is post brimstone
hollow shell
Hellkite is dragon and general overall fire
whereas Unholy Core is specifically brimstone
craggy stratus
yeah either of those
hollow shell
so, yeah Cores of Chaos is fine.
Sunlight too, why not
robust shuttle
c o o l
sand umbra
robust shuttle
ye boi
hollow shell
Sunlight's used in two other fiery weapons, one of them dragony too
Though that also inexplicably uses Eleum
sand umbra
what the fuck why
hollow shell
No got dang idea
craggy stratus
gotta ask amadis
sand umbra
I mean it's a dev weapon so it's not like it can be changed much but still why
hollow shell
@old mica yo why
swift wharf
the tank uses tiger skin wdym
robust shuttle
they said as the weapon ignores NPC immunity frames
craggy stratus
yo moment
robust shuttle
I mean it is draconic
hollow shell
Amadis hasn't talked in this server in like 3 months, I don't expect a response
robust shuttle
radiant meadow
It's really old
cosmic jungle
add dynamite to hellkite recipe
radiant meadow
idk if Amadis even knows
cosmic jungle
because sword go boom
sand umbra
bruhhh
hollow shell
also he was only back briefly cuz he was previously on hiatus since last November
robust shuttle
Mad Alchemist's Cocktail Glove is so satisfying.
sand umbra
also yeah Handheld Tank takes Tiger Skin because of the tank model it references
hollow shell
mmmm dynamite sword
radiant meadow
He did respond when I asked him about custom rarities.
hollow shell
Tile damage ftw
radiant meadow
but that was like months ago
robust shuttle
sand umbra
tile damage sword pog
hollow shell
yoo, real pog though?
sand umbra
yeeeeees
hollow shell
Pickaxe that destroys tiles it comes in contact with
dapper coral
didn't the dedicatee for handheld tank say it was okay to remove the tiger skin for a sugg?
craggy stratus
sun sword that use cold material? illegal
hollow shell
throughout the whole swing
hollow shell
aight anyway
robust shuttle
dapper coral
ouch, that tiger skin sugg got 196 stars
craggy stratus
time to dig through all weapon's recipe to find one similar to hellkite
sand umbra
old mica
Excuse?
old mica
Resigned.
dapper coral
i think rover wanted to know why there was eleum in draconic destruction recipe
old mica
If my memory doesn't fail me... It used to have frostburn as one of the debuffs.
robust shuttle
really?
old mica
I'm guessing the recipe wasn't updated since back when it was first released.
sand umbra
ah
robust shuttle
sand umbra
fascinating :o
craggy stratus
it inflicts daybroken only
robust shuttle
yeah
craggy stratus
or the wiki isnt up to date
robust shuttle
it should be
old mica
It used to have Frostburn.
robust shuttle
byeah
hollow shell
Ah
So uhh, would you be okay with Eleum being removed from the recipe at some point?
(in case someone makes a sugg about it)
old mica
Yeah, it doesn't really fit I think. Unless I'm getting Eleum's element wrong.
hollow shell
Eleum is indeed ice
robust shuttle
Going to make some minor adjustments to some of the wiki.
hollow shell
ok
radiant meadow
brb adding glacial state as one of the debuffs
dapper coral
or a throwing thingy
...it's rogue
that's literally the point
it's a throwing class
gray nebula
"supernova is an explosion"
i mean one could call a supernova an explosion i guess
kind of underselling it
crystal iron
Ok ok rogue is literally throwing but it shouldn't be all there is to it
craggy stratus
isnt there javelin like scourge of devourer
crystal iron
Ig
craggy stratus
and bricks
crystal iron
I think rogue should have a bit more variety
craggy stratus
spiky balls are also expanded a lot upon
and rogue is just fancy words for throwing
so throwing weapon makes sense
sand umbra
Rogue class is Calamity's way of continuing support for throwing weapons as a class
crystal iron
Yes but like rogue is kinda boring
You could literally just make one weapon for each type of a rogue weapon and just make it scale with ur progress and it would make almost no difference
sand umbra
you could literally just make one weapon for each subclass of any other class and just make it scale with your progress and it would make almost no difference
the only exception is mage because mage subclasses are garbage and mage is all about variety
crystal iron
I mean melee has variety
Spears
Yoyos
True melee
Magicaly summoning ranged projectiles melee etc
wooden wedge
(and flails)
crystal iron
Yes
That too
And tools
Ranged also has variety cuz of the different ammo and sruff
Stuff*
craggy stratus
rogue has javelin, boomerang, bombs, spiky balls
wooden wedge
I don't think tools should count as part of your argument because you don't really fight with them
and every class uses tools
sand umbra
and rogue has variety
you have projectiles that linger in the air or on the ground in place after your throw them
you have projectiles that return to you after you throw them
you have projectiles that are actually affected by gravity generally speakin' and fuckin' explode when they hit something
you have...well okay daggers and javelins are like identical but y'know
crystal iron
Oh well I guess but
Rogue is also pretty much melee
sand umbra
except not really because it doesn't forget what its class name is supposed to mean 3 seconds into the game
and also because virtually nothing about it is close-range-oriented
crystal iron
Actually I'm clearly loosing and I'm starting to realise how dumb that Sugg is
I clearly didn't think much before k msde that Sugg :^
I made*
sand umbra
I mean I agree with the concept of more rogue variety because of the five classes Rogue is the one that needs it most (simply because it doesn't have a vanilla leg to stand on like the other four do)
I agree with that part
I just don't think your reasoning is entirely solid in this case
or at least how you've been wording it
crystal iron
Maybe the sugg isn't dumb just not worded properly
Which makes it sound dumb
Basically 80% of rogue is boomerang
sand umbra
fight for my cause, mention how nothing that has a melee variant gets a stealth strike no matter what --- which is actually boring and reduces class diversity
crystal iron
Also I think that the reaper should be a little different from the valediction
crystal iron
Btw what's riv
sand umbra
[[Rare item variants]]
red stormBOT
crystal iron
Ah
sand umbra
The Reaper is one of these, being the RIV of the Valediction
sleek turret
yeah
crystal iron
Ye it's Almost the same just a little better
sleek turret
you may seen them as "borderlands references"
sand umbra
now don't get me wrong, I don't mind the same weapon being used in multiple ways
it's like the entire basis of my fight for unique class variant weps
but wouldn't it be more beneficial in this case to like
add The Reaper's ability as a right-click for Valediction?
crystal iron
Also this isn't relevent to my Sugg but I think they should maybe move ravager to post ml but buff it because it's basically golem but it's also almost right after golem in the progression list
gray nebula
sand umbra
so anyway as I was saying about Ravager as the dedicated Bloodstone boss--
nah
I'm not in the mood for makin' big game-changing suggs today, I think
tawny garden
sand umbra
maybe tomorrow
maybe, just maybe, I will make that sugg tomorrow
MAYBE
but until then Hellkite support
hollow shell
so uh @crystal iron Do you wanna keep your suggestion around or no?
crystal iron
I think I'll remove it
hollow shell
ok
hollow shell
aighty
crystal iron
Actually is it against the rules to post a Sugg, delete it and post it again
Cuz I will forget to make that sugg
dapper coral
not at all
crystal iron
K
unreal viper
Regarding the demonshade sugg, despite my best wishes that it becomes a proper endgame set, you'll probably have to reckon with the argument that it's meant to be a glass cannon set, intended to be used on br. And many of the br bosses don't have any iframe periods, msking the melting effective.
dapper coral
(it was also a continuous discussion in cmt before the eventual sugg, spanning a day or two iirc)
crystal iron
Also is it against the rules to make 2 or more suggs in one
hollow shell
The general core of it was that Katherine thought the demographic of people who are skilled enough to not need much survival benefits is too small
so Demonshade doesn't get enough usage from the general public
dapper coral
it's highly advisable that you split them into multiple suggs
crystal iron
Kk
hollow shell
Yeah if you have more than one suggestion they gotta be in multiple messages
unreal viper
I used it and I consider myself to be in the general public.
Actually, I use both, auric in vanity
wooden wedge
@wintry wharf bug fixes aren't for suggs
tawny garden
(ain't a bug either, I'm pretty sure)
wooden wedge
also isn't that because of vanilla water being shit or something like that?
tawny garden
ye it's prolly potato pc
wooden wedge
I'm gonna delete it now
tawny garden
๐
craggy stratus
what mode @exotic stag
tawny garden
what gear tho, also
craggy stratus
what did you use
unreal viper
^
exotic stag
Statigel
I used statigel for the fight
and at the end i switched to umbraphile
because it was close to day
With umbraphile its 5 seconds for 50k
wooden wedge
make sure you only have calamity enabled as well, and you could probably record a video for this as well
craggy stratus
wow
exotic stag
I'll record it with umbraphile
unreal viper
coolio
frail mantle
also remember to show gear
tawny garden
it's either
a) other mods influence
or
b) <@&580087475980992523>s screwed up
radiant meadow
I don't really appreciate blaming testers for screwing up tbh.
exotic stag
I tried my other weapons and nothing did as much as it did
tawny garden
I don't really appreciate blaming testers for screwing up tbh.
ok, <@&242038163512623104> screwed up
craggy stratus
i mean
craggy stratus
no one really test a weapon a tier or 2 after its tier
exotic stag
Im trying to tell if im actually recording something or not lol
I just beat it again pretty fast
i stg im so confused on why my screen isnt recording
unreal viper
I would offer to try testing it myself, but I suck at testing things
exotic stag
It still wont record bruh
I cant seem to record so i cant get proof rn
All i have is this for my equipment
tawny garden
make sure you only have calamity enabled
radiant meadow
Try without corrosive spine
I'm pretty sure corrosive spine eats Aureus for breakfast, lunch, and dinner right now and is getting nerfed
sand umbra
what is that first thing again
exotic stag
I took over corrosive
sand umbra
what the fuck
exotic stag
its doing a little worse
sand umbra
someone actually uses Ambergris
exotic stag
but still the same result
civic pond
zenith hazel
that explains so much
sleek turret
hmm yes.
do you have antisocial enabled?
worth noting that the alchNPC rage potions when stacked to permanent buff they give heart rage and maybe infinite rage.
and also combination potions stack with separate potions and even more with LuiAFK Unlimited Buffs.
exotic stag
I havent used a single darkness potion lul
i forgot i had em
(I should probably be using them.)
sleek turret
but they stack to permanent buff.
exotic stag
nope
sleek turret
yes
exotic stag
The darkness potions dont stack to perm
sleek turret
do you have Fargo's Mutant enabled?
sleek turret
then they stack
exotic stag
exotic stag
They dont stack..
exotic stag
wooden wedge
@exotic stag again, can you try with only calamity enabled
sleek turret
I told you that they stack.
zenith hazel
at the very least, use calamity only stuff
because if you use broken potion combinations then of course stuff is gonna seem broken
zenith hazel
you can't get unreal on a rogue wep anymore
sleek turret
yeah
sleek turret
meaning that you are outdated.
craggy stratus
update your mod
zenith hazel
didn't rogue modifiers come with the arsenal update
sleek turret
but wait... Frequency Manipulator was added when R&D appeared.
radiant meadow
I think they were before?
exotic stag
But i was told its possible though?
zenith hazel
99% sure it's gonna be alch
dapper coral
so, first step would be to get rid of other mods
sleek turret
hmm yes.
exotic stag
If it wasnt possible to recieve unreal reforges
radiant meadow
byeah, alch is messy
craggy stratus
alch break reforges yeah
exotic stag
I'll remove the mod and see if the reforge i can get again
sleek turret
bingo moment.
radiant meadow
that includes alchlite
wooden wedge
remove all other mods besides calamity
sleek turret
yeah
exotic stag
And then try to get reforgwe
sleek turret
you can use Hero's Mod for reforges (although there's the bug that displays badly the reforges)
zenith hazel
don't use hero's tbh, chances are it's gonna break more stuff
sleek turret
sleek turret
cheat some cash with Cheat Sheet.
wooden wedge
you can use Hero's Mod for reforges
sleek turret
recommendation: don't use Hero's Mod for reforges if the weapon is rogue.
since it displays badly the reforges.
zenith hazel
or just use autoreforge
sleek turret
yeah
wooden wedge
oh yeah, can someone else test this weapon as well?
exotic stag
The reforge i ended off at on my terra disk was feathered
zenith hazel
exotic stag
.-.
Now i cannot see it. i guess it was a bug that allowed me to get ranger reforges
i found this quote
Unreal is still a possible rogue reforge
zenith hazel
by breaking the game then yes it's possible
robust lava
What do you mean you found this quote? Youโre getting ranged reforges on rogue weapons because of other mods
exotic stag
i think i know why
because before flawless was added
i think unreal became the other flawless
radiant meadow
Frequency Manipulator was added after rogue modifiers though
sleek turret
yeah
exotic stag
radiant meadow
he's wrong then
craggy stratus
yeah prob because of alch lite
sleek turret
didn't rogue modifiers come with the arsenal update
but wait... Frequency Manipulator was added when R&D appeared.
exotic stag
at the time
craggy stratus
not sure if auto reforge break it too
sleek turret
yeah
hero's mod does break the reforge list.
maybe because Hero's don't have Rogue modifiers compatibilty at all?
exotic stag
yeah hero's breaks it badly
zenith hazel
either way if you're not gonna provide evidence regarding the sugg then I'll just put an exclamation mark on it
dapper coral
we'll wait until you do a proper dps test with only cal
zenith hazel
unless one of the testers check to see if it's actually not broken, in which case we can just delete the sugg
zenith hazel
yea it doesn't seem that strong
@exotic stag are you actually gonna provide evidence of the wep being broken with only calamity gear or...
exotic stag
I cant provide evidence rn because my screen wont record for some stupid reason
tawny garden
install different recording software
exotic stag
im using xbox gamebar
tawny garden
also, that's not even strictly necessary to record
just disable everything except calamity and kill
and tell us how long that took
sand umbra
while not an end-all-be-all metric on its own for balance, providing a kill time can and often will grant plenty of information
dapper coral
seeing as that is the main metric that is being referenced here, i think that will be enough info
cobalt pewter
Uhhhh, idk man, the Sentinels felt like a last stand against ya
And, they're already disabled if you reached p2
hollow shell
They're not there in the repeat fights so farming/refighting is easier
solar kayak
Which is why I ask why're they're there in the first place?
hollow shell
Flesh out the fight more
And to be kind of a cool moment
The "last stand" thing Feedzuh mentioned
cobalt pewter
Mhm
solar kayak
Huh
hollow shell
(also, I would like to point out that Cosmic Worm has the pre-Sentinels crafting recipe
Which, if you do the DoG fight that way, the Sentinels are fully powered like their original fights)
solar kayak
Itโs just a bit weird to have to fight them before the "that wasnโt even my final form" part, you know?
cobalt pewter
I'd assume the Sentinels didn't even realize DoG hasn't fallen down yet
solar kayak
I feel it kinda ruins the magic
hollow shell
There's something to like about killing DoG and having him almost immediately return as the pay-off for the fake-out
There's not much fake-out when you have a phase after DoG P1, it doesn't feel like it'd end on Signus
So, I'll give you that at least.
solar kayak
Yeah
hollow shell
You could suggest that the sentinels phase only occurs for the early-Cosmic-Worm fight
solar kayak
Wdym?
solar kayak
Oh you mean before beating them
hollow shell
So you can have the fun fake-out if you do the traditional recipe
and you can have the Sentinels Last Stand if you do the early recipe
yeah
cobalt pewter
Mhm
solar kayak
A bit strange but
cobalt pewter
Non-linearity shenanigans yes
unreal viper
Why are iron bars and souls of light and night in the recipe
unreal viper
Anything can make sense if you try hard enough
radiant meadow
Make what you want with it https://gyazo.com/c6c448cddb1c5afe8bb5a48886921c13
sturdy geyser
theres luminite
unreal viper
^
sturdy geyser
iron is incredibly easy to obtain and doesn't mean anything to the recipe because luminite exists
cobalt pewter
Yeah the iron bars feel kinda, redundant
hollow shell
s'cuz of Armored Shell
unreal viper
Time to nitpick recipes for suggs
cobalt pewter
Yeah true, but Luminite is stronk enough to replace armored shell 
We need an irl strength test
solar kayak
Alright, I changed it
tawny garden
We need an irl strength test
positive infinity
sturdy geyser
The recipe can be cut down to luminite bars, galactica singularity, and phantoplasm and still makes perfect sense without all the pointless fluff
cobalt pewter
I kinda want to see an amalgam of all current souls
Light, Night, Flight, Sight, Might, and Fright
hollow shell
I don't think many other people would like to see that 
hollow shell
Sugg looks good now Kath
cobalt pewter
The iron bars are truly the only redundant part of pre sentinels cosmic worm recipe
solar kayak
Ok
dapper coral
whether you have well fed or lot
not?
craggy stratus
well lot
dapper coral
oh, you fixed it
well, yes, katherine, but it would be better if there weren't any typos at all
dapper coral
it hardly requires a perfect world to fix typos
solar kayak
๐
solar kayak
You canโt shoot a hole into Mars
hollow shell
[Objective: ]
dapper coral
can we not go offtopic please @exotic stag
hollow shell
(c'mon it was one joke relevant to the convo)
solar kayak
๐
dapper coral
this channel is notable for going way offtopic, i'm stopping it before it starts
hollow shell
okay
dapper coral
anyway
hollow shell
This suggestion seems good. The biome-based lores are a bit situational
dapper coral
if you feel like, you can mention that you're choosing AS lore to go off of based on lore connections (at least, i'm assuming that's why you're doing it) or whatever reason you have for that
hollow shell
"A better condition for the lore to activate upon is the well fed buff, similar to aquatic scourge lore."
not sure if he added that in the last 1 minute or not
oh hang on I think I misread?
dapper coral
oh, i didn't see that before
sand umbra
I like this suggestion
hollow shell
aight yeah all this content seems fine
but
I would like if there was one line break right about here: "... ichor in pre-hardmode, for example.[]A better condition for the lore..."
exotic stag
The only thing i could say is weaken the effects of the well fed thing from AS. and thats a wrap
radiant meadow
Eh, I think DS being like the 2nd boss doesn't need to have a noticeably strong lore effect. And the moment you get it is the one time you would use it.
A lot of lores are situational as is currently which I don't think is a huge issue.
solar kayak
Got a couple of English students here
hollow shell
I dislike walls of text :P
solar kayak
Thatโs the opposite of what an English student would say
hollow shell
I dislike long continuous walls of text
s'fine to have a lotta content if it's readable, broken up.
thas why @unreal viper https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/465195069406707722/761371701090451466
solar kayak
Nah, Iโm saying that English students opt for being verbose to sound smart or compensate for their lack of logical argumentation
hollow shell
.. aight I see
craggy stratus
have something to do with word minimum limit of an essay
cobalt pewter
That's the reason why, yes
dim spade
i took it here ok wiki editor guy
clever dagger
gray nebula
fluorite octet
8^8 different attacks
pls
but yes no
Are you experiencing trouble reading the don'ts donc
because I've seen a lot of your recent suggestions kind of break them
tawny garden
crystal iron
Oh
hollow shell
Try to find a way to get it open and read it.
((also you can edit your message instead of sending * corrections))
tawny garden
discord needs a manual
ashen warren
maybe make the guide progression a little bit more clear? im talking about gear, accessories, equipment for bosses etc
tawny garden
guide progression? what are you on about
ashen warren
huh?
tawny garden
the wiki? #wiki-discussion
crystal iron
K I read it and from what I now know I just have to edit the Sugg to give it a purpose other than a reference
Making it less specific wouldn't really work because it is a reference
tawny garden
don't make it a reference then
sturdy geyser
calamity does not need more references
hollow shell
There is a Don't that says not to make suggestions that are just references for the sake of references
so this is probably a futile effort trying to make this sugg valid
tawny garden
(can there even be a valid sugg that is a reference?)
gray nebula
. Well you could ask for something to get added with reference like examples but an actual reasoning
hollow shell
(Potentially, if it'll actually benefit the mod for a real reason)
gray nebula
like the "give provi a fargo like ring"
tawny garden
m
hollow shell
There are some game mechanics in the mod that are referenced from other games
like the adaptive time DR thing
and that could have been valid to suggest before it was added
(might be seen as too much effort but, as far as the reference part at least, it would be fine)
crystal iron
I have a question tho
Why didnt my planetoid Sugg get deleted
It violated one rule
The "too much effort" one
gray nebula
doenst really sound like it did
i mean its litterally disabling stuff
so you might need to go through the different parts of the code that rely on planetoids but like, you dont actually need to add extra stuff
just a "if the config that disable planetoids is on : skip" part azt the start
hollow shell
Oh yeah that won't be too much effort at all
Might be one or two hiccups but yeah it's just, adding one IF statement to the Planetoid gen code
Hardest part would be making the lab spawn somewhere else / in a different way, but that wouldn't be too hard
... also I just noticed that suggestion only got 35 stars, lmao
cobalt pewter
Most of her projectiles definitely perished when she enters cocoon phases
As far as I remember
left ice
The leftover fire blobs and projectiles from cocoon phases take forever to despawn and don't despawn, respectively.
serene fox
two or three attack phases attacking at once, completely nullifying the point of the phase mechanic.
isn't that the whole point of provi?
left ice
On a semi-related note, I think the hitbox of the spears from the cocoon phase might be smaller than the actual spear, but it's hard to judge.
left ice
Eh, I'll disagree, but I am playing on a harder difficulty, so that has some effect.
rose jewel
I think it means like the projectiles from Scal killing npcs
weak field
Leftover fire blobs are supposed to be leftover
left ice
Well, that's potentially an issue, too, but I was referring to in-fight.
weak field
Also most of us here play rev+
left ice
Yeah, the fire blobs were a bad example.
weak field
So higher difficulty isn't a concern
left ice
I'm primarily referring to the spears, which can still be blocking me in the next cocoon phase.
serene fox
wut
weak field
Well, that's kinda the point of it
left ice
To have attacks from the previous cocoon phase be used in the next cocoon phase?
weak field
Also how can it last until the next cocoon phase
serene fox
how are spears still present in the next cocoon phase?
weak field
^
left ice
Because they don't despawn.
weak field
Even if they don't they'll just fly off into the infinity
serene fox
they can despawn still
weak field
And beyond
left ice
Ah. I guess the despawn time is just too long, perhaps.
left ice
I mean, considering there are ~8-10 rows of spears, no matter which way I move, there'll be some spears.
serene fox
well
if you do the funny
walk in a straight line to dodge all spears tactic
they still should despawn
I've never had spears present in the next cocoon wtf
left ice
I think I've only had it once or twice, but they're still there way longer than they should be, IMO.
serene fox
just because the weapon is slightly more difficult to use than other weapons doesn't mean it deserves a buff
what
hollow shell
Is that your whole suggestion
fresh stone
i think the word i was looking for was a different pattern of movement
fresh stone
changed it
hollow shell
Better
zenith hazel
pwnagehammer's volume will be reduced next update
so no need for the sugg @hollow kelp
hollow kelp
zenith hazel
๐
serene fox
why does stardisk move like that in the first place?
hollow shell
Cuz it's cool
civic pond
Hard to use but it does good damage or something idfk
serene fox
I heard it does ye
fresh stone
it is a bit of a chore to use on fast moving enemies/enclosed spaces
zenith hazel
then use a different wep, you have plenty of options
stardisk shreds everything if you know how to use it though
civic pond
I dont think its meant to be used in enclosed spaces anyways
fresh stone
i guess the astral infection does help it
zenith hazel
at the very least, everything that has a fat hitbox like levi
frail mantle
remember that not every weapon needs to be viable in every situation
hollow shell
mm yeah ^
fresh stone
i like the ultima but its hard to use underground i guess
hollow shell
Usage variety in weapons is interesting and good
hollow shell
If you want.
fresh stone
ill think of something else then thanks for the advice
hollow shell
aighty
dapper coral
what did you test these on @left ice ?
sand umbra
no AotE buff thanks :)
left ice
A single target dummy.
sand umbra
let it stay dead
sand umbra
also dummy DPS is not a good metric
hollow shell
A Target Dummy? Not even a Super Dummy?
dapper coral
you gotta test it on a boss
left ice
What should I test on?
wooden wedge
a boss of the same tier
hollow shell
Testing against a boss and getting kill times is more useful info yeah
left ice
I can test on a boss, but even with the boss, the weapons were pathetic.
sand umbra
hell test it on like a Scorn Eater or something at the absolute least
wooden wedge
with appropriate gear as well
dapper coral
then let's see it
wooden wedge
testing a weapon without gear will always make the weapon look like shit
left ice
Alright, I'll do that later today if I get around to it. That being said, ark of the elements and devastation were both getting less than half of the DPS of the OBB when I was fighting providence.
And yeah, I know the DPS will look bad without gear, but I was using no gear for all the testing, so it was fair in that regard, IMO. But if dummies aren't a reliable metric, I'll try to get around to testing on bosses later, like I said.
mossy badge
I can test on a boss, but even with the boss, the weapons were pathetic.
so that was a fucking lie
hollow shell
pardon?
left ice
Ark is trash against providence.
mossy badge
once again not true
left ice
That's what led to this. Ark was getting me 3k DPS. Switching to OBB got me 8k DPS.
wooden wedge
again, you did it with no gear
left ice
I did it with gear for providence.
mossy badge
have you done a playthrough with it?
left ice
Yes.
mossy badge
ark carries me until polter
dapper coral
also make sure that when you do it, you test with only calamity
left ice
Alright, will do.
dapper coral
in case you have any other mods that interfere with it
mossy badge
cuz there is no way you can say that thing is trahs
dapper coral
idk what would in this case but better safe than sorry
left ice
Theoretically, I shouldn't, but yeah, better safe than sorry.
mossy badge
idk about devastation
hollow shell
Interestingly strong varied opinions
craggy stratus
especially alch lite
left ice
Devastation is just ark of the elements but without homing. Lmfao.
hollow shell
Devourer you can go do an in-game test too, just to be sure :P
hollow shell
Thats fair
mossy badge
got lots of work n stuff
zenith hazel
I'll look into this myself
left ice
What's a good boss to test on easily? I'm hestitant about testing on providence since I only have an arena set up in my main world and I'm not sure about the effects of logging into that world with only Calamity.
pine star
What other mods are on your main world?
hollow shell
You can real quick install Cheat Sheet and Luiafk
make a new world, butcher WoF and ML
craggy stratus
cheat sheet your arena, export it
mossy badge
yeah
hollow shell
use Luiafk's "Arena Platform Builder" to make an arena
left ice
The only other content mod I have is thorium, tbh.
craggy stratus
then go to your new world, and import your build
hollow shell
You could also save & transfer your arena with Cheat Sheet yeah
its got that cool function
left ice
I have no idea how to do that. Oof.
dapper coral
idt cheat sheet interferes with anything
cheat sheet shouldn't, hero's mod might
hollow shell
It's in the lil paintbrush tool in the dashboard
zenith hazel
give me a few mins and I'll get back to you
left ice
Ah, Brav is testing, I take it.
dapper coral
ye
mossy badge
okay then
left ice
Let us know the results, please. I won't test if you're testing already.
mossy badge
thanks brav
maybe three variables will be good
but just the time on it might not be good
one could have substantialy less time if someone has much more skill
like me ๐
just kidding im ass
left ice
Yes, but if the same person does all the fights, the skill will be the same.
zenith hazel
no no, I can handle this myself
zenith hazel
alright we're gonna buff both, thanks for bringing this to our attention
tawny garden
whoa that pfp
hollow shell
m
heady storm
left ice
Mind giving the stats and comparisons for both with your testing? I'm curious on that, now.
Also, should I delete the suggestion, then, if they're confirmed to be buffed?
heady storm
This about ark and devastation?
left ice
Yes.
heady storm
Conclusion is just buff both, so you can get an idea of how long each one took.
hollow shell
s'already gone
zenith hazel
yes
heady storm
mossy badge
alright we're gonna buff both, thanks for bringing this to our attention
@zenith hazel wait rlly?
hm
dapper coral
that is indeed what it says
mossy badge
i was told they were the best and never questioned it
heady storm
This is indeed taken straight from the dev server.
left ice
Try OBB, which I switched to for my fight, for comparison.
cobalt pewter
AotE and Devastation are the best? Never heard anyone said that
zenith hazel
feel free to test it if youโre free chetto
left ice
The sad part is that devastation is just ark of the elements but without homing.
mossy badge
and other sources which i do not remember
zenith hazel
in class rn
heady storm
I can test โOBBโ when I get up and whatnot, yeah.
left ice
I think it would be beneficial for comparing the two weapons against a "good" weapon for the tier, but I'd assume that the intended time for the fight is already known.
heady storm
What even is OBB actually, Iโm not 100% familiar.
tawny garden
Oob, a fictional character in Dragon Ball
โ From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
dapper coral
omega biome blade
heady storm
Ah, I see then.
cobalt pewter
And yeah, OBB is dang good vs provi I heard
heady storm
People doing glass cannon builds to test their buff/nerf suggestion.
cobalt pewter
Swordsplosion can be a contender, but it's a RIV
left ice
For consistency, it'd probably be best to test using the build posted earlier.
cobalt pewter
The amount of deleted suggs
heady storm
You mean the one Brav used? I can do that unless I have a different preference.
left ice
Yeah.
hollow shell
Speaking of balancing
@exotic stag Are you gonna edit your Frequency Manipulator suggestion, or what?
exotic stag
For me it absolutely shredded all the bosses. so must be a buf with mods
zenith hazel
there's your answer
heady storm
What was your gear again?
craggy stratus
most likely
exotic stag
Umbraphile
hollow shell
Was this the one where you had like 4 AlchNPC potions on?
hollow shell
Okay
exotic stag
Potion of darkness i use when im tryharding a boss
and thats really it
I just stand inside the boss and it swings
exotic stag
nope
zenith hazel
because you can't just stand inside the boss
exotic stag
i frames
zenith hazel
even then, I doubt it's enough
exotic stag
For some reason it does let me stand inside the bosses though
zenith hazel
then it's some other mod being fucky
zenith hazel
yea then some other mod is doing that
those things have high as hell contact damage
exotic stag
Or its knockback being wonky
dapper coral
so that sugg can go then, ye?
exotic stag
Ye sugg can go until like maybe some other person has proof
dapper coral
okey, it's gone
exotic stag
Aight ye
But if someone has proof just let them know its already suggested before and you were waiting on proof..
sand umbra
homing Pwnage targets the closest thing that comes into radius and then continues targeting that thing
its targeting will not change mid-flight once it's picked something to ruin the day of
gusty scarab
yeah so i thought they were all supposed to home
sand umbra
it's a 20% chance
why it has to be a 20% chance instead of being the rogue variant's stealth strike effect like the original rework entailed is anyone's guess because I refuse to believe the same weapon can't be used multiple ways
someday I'll get variant weps given the proper love and care. someday
I don't think that day will be today but it will be someday
gusty scarab
yeah
it nearly got me killed
by homing in on a single lavabat
instead of the 40 red devils that i kept missing
sleek turret
about a suggestion?
broken gulch
its about something that happend to me in game
oh my bad
wrong channel
sorry for bothering
frail mantle
no worries
sand umbra
craggy stratus
second repost
mossy badge
yeh third time ive seen it XD
heady storm
I really don't see any proper reasoning besides "it's currently uninteresting."
golden narwhal
The proposed idea also seems specific
novel belfry
or perhaps there could be one for every two minions summoned
fallow forge
4
novel belfry
4? that's a bit much
heady storm
Either way, we need you to change your sugg appropriately.
novel belfry
at least 3 could work
fallow forge
such as
golden narwhal
Less specific idea
fallow forge
so should remove dmg and for each summon spawned?
heady storm
The idea section entirely can go.
fallow forge
so the idea heading or the entire paragraph
novel belfry
Here's how I would write the sugg
Rework Luxor's Gift's summoner bonus to be better than it currently is
Luxor's gift provides abilities for all classes, greatly increasing their damage. Although most of the classes greatly benefit from the accessory, Summoner only gets a single minion that can be considered mediocre at best. Luxor's Gift should be reworked to benefit Summoner more so than it currently is. As an example, it could summon more of its current minion than one, or rework the minion to be MUCH stronger.
golden narwhal
Could rewrite it as an example of a rework, e.g. "as an example, it could summon weakened versions of the currently summoned minions instead"
heady storm
The entire paragraph and the heading.
heady storm
Summoner only gets a single minion that can be considered mediocre at best.
Provide more background for this honestly.
fallow forge
did
heady storm
Looks better.
golden narwhal
hollow shell
@cobalt pewter Why mention increased damage and not just increased use time?
Surely the lack of a limit, even with the reduced speed, will make up for the DPS, right?
(also you should clarify that "increased use time" means to fire slower, as that's a bit unintuitive for people unfamiliar.)
hollow shell
Yeah that's fine.
Just have that as a lil addendum and not a main part of the sugg
Aw, I like chasing down WoF for a second go while he's weakened
outer holly
in death+ the grab kills you before you catch up
sleek turret
Well, me too.
outer holly
:(
hollow shell
I don't play Death+ lmao
sleek turret
you still can attack from behind and hit the eyes/mouth hitbox and drain its life.
outer holly
while he waddles across the underworld
hollow shell
You can ask for a config
or maybe some item to instantly despawn him
outer holly
idk if the grab kills in rev 
hollow shell
Cuz there are a good amount of people who like returning to the fight
radiant meadow
You could just leave and re-enter the world if it's that much of an issue.
outer holly
huh, alright ill specify that
hollow shell
Leaving and re-entering is indeed an option
sleek turret
yes
hollow shell
A bit weird of an option but one nonetheless.
outer holly
i use a res potion for regoing to his arena to save time tbh, kinda niche so i cant leave the world but that is just me
cuz running across the whole underworld isnt very.. fun
either way
ig you could use armagaden to despawn him
didnt think of that til now
cobalt pewter
That is also an option
hollow shell
Mhm
cobalt pewter
Unless hardcore
hollow shell
I think that kills you too so you'll still lose your Res warp
radiant meadow
@wind falcon "Calamity" Extra Music is an unofficial mod by someone else.
wind falcon
i know.
heady storm
We can't do what you're suggesting because of that.
fringe sky
oh hey i'm late to notice that the planetoid theme suggestion is in voting now
also cool it's pretty popular
wind falcon
Can you at least do the official music though?
radiant meadow
Also the suggestion is formatted in a way that the top line will be the header, probably not something you want.
I'm not sure if music can be run clientside.
wind falcon
rip
radiant meadow
Other than the extra music mention and the unnecessary top line, the suggestion is fine I think.
I'm not saying music running clientside isn't possible (could be impossible, who knows). I just don't know if it can.
ashen warren
or spotify
analog tulip
oh they are
hollow shell
You gotta edit your suggestion @wind falcon to at least remove that topmost line (required for bot formatting to work, your main idea needs to be the one that's at the top)
and you shouldn't mention the Extra Music Mod because there's literally nothing we can do about that, we don't own it
hollow shell
That looks better. You still mention Extra in your top line though
(also, no need to repost. Editing works just fine)
(also I think you meant to say "Calamity music" at the end and not just "Calamity")
hollow shell
@wind falcon
wind falcon
Got it
radiant meadow
You still need to get rid of the extra music mention
which is still in the header
hollow shell
Still need to remove Extra Music mention from your top line
wind falcon
The mod is awesome btw.
hollow shell
exotic stag
rose jewel
Kind of stupid question but what is a client version?