It's not the cinderplate and exodium clusters that really matter, it's the structure itself and the charging stations, cell factories and the materials in the chests
#suggestions-discussion
robust lava
fringe cloak
They have life crystals and other ores in them
craggy stratus
planetoids serve as QoL essentially
fringe cloak
Wouldnt say they would be useless
robust lava
It would feel weird imo to have an option that literally just makes your playthrough arbitrarily more difficult due to the loss of the Life Crystals, Gems, and then later on the Exodium Clusters
fringe cloak
you can use excess life crystals for like heart lanterns
craggy stratus
and the only arena you would build in space is storm weaver
even then you can just lead SW down to surface
crystal iron
Ok
Ik they serve a purpsoe but its just a waste of space if u don't need the QoL things
And ofc the lab
But u could keep the main one for it
Also that's why I suggested it'd be an option at world gen
Cuz not everyone would like taht change but a fair few would appreciate it
fringe cloak
Dont think anyone else has complained about them
hollow shell
Lot of your reason is centered around them taking up too much space
You wanna include some things that you would use that space for which the planetoids intrude on?
cobalt pewter
skybridge space
zenith hazel
just because br wof is easy on melee doesn't mean it needs a buff @exotic stag
provide a better reason
exotic stag
I was saying to nerf its hp for other classes
but up its damage because melee just kills it so fast.
zenith hazel
that's not how it works
exotic stag
cobalt pewter
sharp ibex
BR WoF takes like 30 seconds for most classes I think
He fucks you over for Hive Mind
He does like 500 per laser
hollow shell
sharp ibex
I suggested a nerf
cobalt pewter
lmao
sharp ibex
Cursed I hope you realize this is BR WoF
I really think he’s too high in difficulty compared to almost every BR boss until like tier 4
mossy badge
meh
sharp ibex
He gets cheap hits and pulls bullshit by teleporting you in bad places too
mossy badge
ez mode imo
sharp ibex
He can 3 shot you
sharp ibex
He fucks you over for Hive mind and steals your silva revive
sharp ibex
How so?
mossy badge
although he was the boss i died to on my first BR
sharp ibex
He often puts you in places with little room to dodge
sharp ibex
I’ve asked a lot of people and the agree his damage is a way too high
mossy badge
c r y s t y l c r u s h e r
simple forge
hivemind was the first boss to kill me in boss rush
mossy badge
also
sharp ibex
I don’t want to spend 10 hours clearing out hell
mossy badge
i only died to him cuz dragonfolly fucked me over
crystyl crusher makes it an hour at most
and you dont need to destroy it all
simple forge
imagine not using crystyl crusher as a weapon
sharp ibex
He is still way too much of a difficulty spike
mossy badge
meh
sharp ibex
He’s harder than most tier 4 bosses
simple forge
br wof was ez for me
mossy badge
id say dragonfolly is harder
same
dragonfolly fucked me over on my first go
which was why wof killed me
sharp ibex
I can usually kill him, but he’s still a huge hurdle and has killed me at least 20 times
sharp ibex
He ends a lot of my BR attempts
frail mantle
yes that's how the suggestions channel tends to work
mossy badge
he does?
frail mantle
people post suggestions there
cobalt pewter
oof
hollow shell
(I blame discord)
sharp ibex
Maybe
cobalt pewter
Yes
sharp ibex
This is an insane idea
Okay so
Make WoF the first BR boss so I don’t have to wait 5 minutes to die to him every time 
cobalt pewter
Order is relatively fixed now
sharp ibex
His health is fine, but his damage is just too high
cobalt pewter
They'd only slip in new bosses within the current fixed order
Unless fab would announce a new voting for BR
sharp ibex
I don’t wanna spend a full day clearing out my underworld
cobalt pewter
Which most likely would happen after the superbosses are out
simple forge
then use the crystyl crusher
simple forge
as a weapon
sharp ibex
Okay, I’ll just clear out hell
Also, some BR bosses are supposed to get shredded in 10 seconds while others take several minutes
It all depends on class
simple forge
no it depends on boss
mossy badge
I don’t wanna spend a full day clearing out my underworld
@sharp ibex takes like an hour at most
😛
frail mantle
an hour is a lot of time to make an arena, even if you're endgame
crystal iron
It'd take less than an hour with crystyl crusher
Even quicker if ur using luiafk with improved drill mount
hollow shell
(You still gotta elaborate more in your Planetoid suggestion's reasoning, Koorapika
Whatcha need that Space space for?)
hollow shell
Add that to your suggestion then
(and remember that you're tryin to convince people with your reasoning)
crystal iron
Well I don't have to convince anyone other than the Devs since the addition wouldn't do any harm to players it wouldn't even affect them in any way
It's a case of whether it's worth adding or worth the effort
hollow shell
wew you're really putting in the minimal effort aren't you 
sinful steeple
If you're building in space don't the planetoids actually help considering you can't place blocks on nothing
mossy badge
an hour is a lot of time to make an arena, even if you're endgame
@frail mantle at the most i said
dapper coral
if you can't convince the masses, it'll never go to dev in the first place
mossy badge
f
crystal iron
@sinful steeple I think placing a few platforms and then destroing only a few platforms is easier than a whole planetoid
sinful steeple
What do you place the platforms on
craggy stratus
you can use ice rod sold from wizard
crystal iron
@dapper coral well it would only appeal to builders so the suggestion itself should be enough to convince them
dapper coral
that's not how that works
sinful steeple
Wait you can place stuff on the ice rod?
hollow shell
You're really not doing much to convince the builders considering it's just one throwaway line you appended onto your reasoning
Yeah I typically use Ice Rod whenever I wanna build in the sky
craggy stratus
planetoid is a holy ground for builder
dapper coral
if you don't have convincing reasoning, no one is gonna care enough to star it
sinful steeple
Also yeah builders love the planetoids
crystal iron
but, why are you building arena on space
@craggy stratus trust me there are a ton of bosses that are so much easier with a world-long arena
sinful steeple
I've seen so many planetoids reengineered into bases, I've even done that
hollow shell
You can add that to your reasoning too, Koora
sinful steeple
Building it close enough for the planetoids to be relevant wouldn't give you enough room to dodge
And also space slows your movement
craggy stratus
a world long arena doesnt necessarily be in space
crystal iron
I find
Mech bosses
Calamitas
And other bosses like that so much easier
Also planetoids don't always spawn in space
I had a lot of cases where they were below space
craggy stratus
sounds like small world
sinful steeple
Are you thinking of floating islands? Planetoids are the ones that always spawn in space
crystal iron
Also could anyone send me a link to 1.4.4.4 calamity cuz 1.4.5 is laggy af
sinful steeple
Scroll up in #mod-downloads
crystal iron
K
craggy stratus
maybe add that to your sugg then
hollow shell
Next update fixes a ton of bugs so hold out for that
dry latch
subject got changed and now discussion is no more
come back here to answer the questions @crystal iron
hollow shell
lol
crystal iron
Yes yes
hollow shell
You can add arena building to your sugg's reason too
.. and if you're tryin to convince the builders than make it a more significant part of the reason, talk about how planetoids get in the way of building or whatever
crystal iron
K
dry latch
arena building isn't really a good reason imo, cuz space slows you down, and wasting a buff slot to negate that is just a bad idea
dapper coral
that doesn't make it a bad reason
crystal iron
Some ppl prefer that "debuff"
I personally like the challenge
dapper coral
as long as koorapika can justify making an arena in space (which he did already, he said that certain bosses are made easier by this) it's fine
radiant meadow
Storm weaver?
craggy stratus
you can bring storm weaver down to surface
crystal iron
Yes
mossy badge
@dapper coral well it would only appeal to builders so the suggestion itself should be enough to convince them
@crystal iron nah im a builder and i love planetoids
radiant meadow
Not everyone does that though
craggy stratus
hmm
crystal iron
@mossy badge that why itd be an option ffs
craggy stratus
also remove the ping in quoting
crystal iron
Oh
dapper coral
yes pls
crystal iron
K
craggy stratus
ben, do you think you can implement such world gen config
mossy badge
@mossy badge that why itd be an option ffs
@crystal iron there isnt a reason for it to be an option
hollow shell
Well, there is
mossy badge
not really
hollow shell
For people who prefer it and people who don't
crystal iron
This whole discussing is about giving reasons about it being an option
dapper coral
the option part of it is useless discussing imo, if you don't like it then don't select it in worldgen (if it were to be implemented) and that's that
mossy badge
thats like having turning off labs as an option
dapper coral
it's more important to discuss the actual concept
crystal iron
I personally think it wouldnt hurt to add that
mossy badge
planetoids give ez Enchanted Sword
craggy stratus
koorapika you can also mention accidentally summoning queen bee with stray bullet
dry latch
QB is gone
craggy stratus
ah
mossy badge
🦀
hollow shell
It can be in this sugg's reasoning for the time being ig, provided Cal does not fix it
dry latch
nah, larvae are gone
hollow shell
Oh ok
dry latch
they got replaced by honey chests
mossy badge
s l u r p
craggy stratus
so this sugg good then?
hollow shell
Aight so the sugg has a good bit a reasoning now
It's formatted/worded pretty questionably
But it's there
craggy stratus
dry latch
first sentence still wack, and yeah the formatting too
hollow shell
"Also that space could serve as a building space
Also planetoids get in the way of building"
hollow shell
I'll un-exclamation it now but I would definitely prefer you try to make the reason more cohesive and legible
dry latch
bruh
craggy stratus
more readable, rover means
hollow shell
yeah
crystal iron
Should I just re-do the sugg as in just edit it completely
crystal iron
K
dry latch
that's usually what people mean by "adding it in", yes. add the reason, not simply append it at the end
also, about the visually disable all player-created projectiles sugg, is that even possible code wise?
dapper coral
it just seems
strange
hollow shell
It's probably possible
hollow shell
Can't promise it won't be buggy but
you could probably run through all projectiles whose Owner is set to a player, and set their Alpha to 255 (invisible)
dry latch
does that include projectiles spawned by summons?
dapper coral
huh, translations
hollow shell
hmm maybe
gray nebula
you're bieng sent to brazil
hollow shell
@midnight flume Translations aren't done by the dev team, they're all unofficial
No use suggesting it here
gray nebula
annoying thing with translations is that yeah its not by us
craggy stratus
shouldnt translate mod be unofficial
dapper coral
ye
robust lava
Also would probably come under large amount of work
midnight flume
If I want to translate the mod, how should I do then?
mossy badge
YOUR GOING TO BRAZIL
hollow shell
I'm personally unsure, but there's probably somewhere you can learn how to do it, considering the existence of other mods that do it
dapper coral
let's not meme here please, devourer
hollow shell
You can try asking in the tModLoader server
mossy badge
jokes aside this is a really good suggestion
midnight flume
Thanks for the advice
hollow shell
smh Iban immunity
dapper coral
oh i missed that, heck iban you are bad boi
mossy badge
there are a lot of brazillian people who play this game
tawny garden
well, the dev team can't translate it
midnight flume
I recently started to play with a friend of mine and I have to translate everything to her, because she isn't very good at english
crystal iron
I worded it a bit more like an ad unintentionally
hollow shell
That's a more convincing reason yeah Koora, nice
Just make those double line-breaks in your "summary" section into single line-breaks so they don't take up as much space
Apart from that it's fine now
crystal iron
K
faint needle
Wait I thought the foreign lang mods arent official
dry latch
- change all the "in a way"s to "in the way"
- stating "an option" twice is redundant. tho I do understand your frustration at people not reading that part lol
hollow shell
"in the way" is the more accepted way to say it yeah
radiant meadow
The only official mods are Calamity Mod and Calamity Mod Music.
Everything else is unofficial.
hollow shell
I'm personally fine with "an option" being said twice :P
dry latch
also, this reasoning doesn't hold up:
Also they're also annoying if ur fighting a boss in space (if u want a little challange) and u bump into a planetoid and get stuck in an attack and die
if you're fighting a boss there, you should be aware that planetoids exist. if you die to one. that's your fault, not the planetoids'. that's like blaming the houses in the underworld when you get stuck on them cuz you didn't clear the way in the first place. if you do find clearing them up annoying, then that has already been stated in other lines
hollow shell
I mean
I think that line is weak cuz of the fact that you would fight in space for a challenge, that seems odd and not something that many players at all would do
but
I think it's fine for them to explain that planetoids are big obstacles during boss fights
crystal iron
Ye I was a bit sceptical about adding that line too
Maybe i should say a fun challange
hollow shell
pff
mossy badge
Everything else is unofficial.
@radiant meadow calamity extra music?
hollow shell
Unofficial.
hollow shell
I would mention Koora that bosses like DoG, Yharon, and SCal are highly mobile and their fights can extend into space (especially DoG)
and at that point you do have a Gravity Normalizer Potion
but planetoids still get in the way, and can be annoying to clear
hollow shell
I have no idea what the hell is up with Yharon's space enrage
hollow shell
Because there's no terrain
dry latch
doesn't yharon just enrage if you're too far up? and scal has her arena
hollow shell
If you fight her close to the ground then you can have hills and such getting inside the arena
With SCal you need to find a space in the sky that's clear enough for her full box
dry latch
the ocean?
hollow shell
(annoying walking/flying all the way there every attempt, assuming you don't have teleporters set up)
mossy badge
doesn't yharon just enrage if you're too far up? and scal has her arena
@dry latch just said that -_-
hollow shell
admittedly Floating Islands post more of a problem with that regard than Planetoids do
but
planetoids can be annoying for that
mossy badge
yes
hollow shell
DoG is the main one
mossy badge
floating islands are the real annoying ones
hollow shell
No height enrage and unlimited arena
dry latch
what I said was that yharon enrages if you're too far up, not that when you're in space. being in space usually does mean being too far up, but yharon can still enrage even without reaching space if you summon him from a low enough altitude
hollow shell
(I don't know if his height enrage exists anymore or when it triggers. A visual cue for it is something I've wanted for a long time but it never happened)
crystal iron
Ye floating Islands still pose a threat but there's only 5-6 of them per large world
Not 25
8* floating islands
dry latch
what does not being able to attack have to do with being hit again? + nazar
ignore the first line, am sleepy
hollow shell
This is a very understandable reason
however
@exotic stag Que?
robust lava
Hooks getting cancelled could lead to getting hit more
robust lava
What mod version number are you on?
exotic stag
its just annoying for the 5 seconds
dapper coral
what mod version are you -- that
hollow shell
Are you playing in Death Mode and have the Expert debuff doubling enabled in the config?
hollow shell
"latest" doesn't help
dapper coral
that's not a number
dry latch
yeah, but he mentioned not being able to attack instead of not being able to use items
exotic stag
Its the most recent update...
dapper coral
which is that
hollow shell
Again, doesn't help
dapper coral
give us the number
exotic stag
im not in game rn.. im in a google meet bruh
hollow shell
Okay, when you can.
exotic stag
its the 1.4.0.1 one i think
hollow shell
That is incredibly old lmao
exotic stag
i said i think
hollow shell
It's a 1.4 version, but 1.4.0.1 itself was like early 2019
exotic stag
its the most recent like patch update..
dapper coral
well when you see, make sure it's updated to 1.4.5.002
exotic stag
I will..
It should be because i updated it after the patch with draedons labs being broken
like right after the patch released
hollow shell
Alright that's more helpful
dry latch
is the translation sugg gonna stay?
hollow shell
Crimulan SG's "Cursed" has been 1.5 seconds for about a year now, since way before the Labs update
I'll exclam mark it
hollow shell
Aight
exotic stag
Also i think you reacted to the wrong one?
hollow shell
Naw, that one has an issue too
exotic stag
Mine has no exclam mark tho
hollow shell
A pretty core issue, it prolly should just be deleted
I can exclamate yours in the meantime till you get that proof ig
hollow shell
A mod conflict would be my next best guess yeah
robust lava
Side note rover, the suggs doc has some channel names spelled using underscores instead of dashes, e.g. #bugs_read_pins instead of #bugs-read-pins.
dry latch
also, about the "Make the Luxor's Gift Melee Bounce Noise less annoying" sugg, can we just report that to bugs instead? cuz that has been sugged at least twice before (yes, one of those was from me kek), and they never reach a high enough number (think cuz not a lot of people use luxor's gift). seems more like an oversight to me too (tools shouldn't trigger melee wep effects)
robust lava
there's still one more #suggestions_discussion
I believe Luxor's Gift working with Drills/tools is somewhat intended, or at least it's not been thought of as needing change
exotic stag
Also why is raiders talisman even recommended? its only crit
dry latch
uhh... wrong channel?
exotic stag
yep..
exotic stag
Aight my schools over. ima check versions
hollow shell
Not that it matter much now cuz, unless you're somehow super outdated (like, over a year) then there's no reason why the Cursed duration would be different
s'been the same for a long time
exotic stag
it may have been a bug.. which is why im checking
it may have been a bug.. which is why im checking
craggy stratus
is suggesting a cheat item that set all classes proficiency to respectively 5, 10, 15 for the purpose of dps testing violate the first rule in mod suggestion - SIS?
also, i dont think making anahita an npc is a great idea
the reasoning doesnt make sense either
hollow shell
@ashen warren What
ancient crow
h
violet dagger
ancient mirage
are they invisible or did they just suggest and leave
hollow shell
For one, it needs to be formatted properly. Main idea at the top on a separate line (Shift+Enter) with reasoning below.
robust lava
I think that proficiency suggestion idea would be fine ChadLad
exotic stag
none of us have roles that are black names lol
craggy stratus
rover what do you think about my sugg
hollow idol
Player: goes out of their way to kill ana and levi, optional bosses
Some people: I feel bad for killing them, they should join you
hollow shell
That wouldn't be an SIS, that's fine
Would be helpful for testers and no-hitters
craggy stratus
yes, industrial revolution for beta tester and nohitter
hollow idol
cool now when's the boss bool resetters
serene fox
well most no-hitters already have a mod that lets you set proficiency level
but a non broken one would be nice ig
dapper coral
we should probably take Dom's mod out of the equation
dapper coral
considering it is, for all intents and purposes, discontinued
violet dagger
Is it broken
serene fox
it breaks the game in several ways now
mossy badge
Player: goes out of their way to kill ana and levi, optional bosses
Some people: I feel bad for killing them, they should join you
@hollow idol lol
dapper coral
pro tip: you should really get rid of the ping when you quote people
craggy stratus
technically the ping is outside of the quote
hollow shell
...
mossy badge
im kind of a noob at discord
hollow shell
Okay
zenith hazel
I mean if you're really desperate you can use cheat engine to edit proficiency values
robust lava
I imagine that got cut off a bit short
tawny garden
the comma
violet dagger
Discord 
violet dagger
radiant meadow
It's not a hard cap.
craggy stratus
i guess i can assume each tester and nohitter has atleast 3 characters
hollow shell
This sugg looks good
hollow shell
a command?
craggy stratus
is it possible? command?
hollow shell
We haven't messed with commands before
dapper coral
dom's mod did it too
craggy stratus
imma add that too
hollow shell
I guess?
dapper coral
if commands seem a bit cheaty then i can see why we wouldn't
but given that it's meant to be a cheat item anyways
it could be an option
craggy stratus
it is supposed to be unobtainable yeah, cheat
heady storm
This sugg is definitely possible, I’ll say that.
I wouldn’t necessarily say to limit it at 5, 10, and 15 though.
violet dagger
Maybe just get dom to get his mod working unless it was discontinued for a reason
dapper coral
that's not gonna happen
heady storm
PoD is scrapped now.
violet dagger
Commands do seem a bit cheaty tho
craggy stratus
i dont know much about coding, so ig limiting to 5, 10, 15 would be less coding
dapper coral
Dom has expressed that he will not be continuing that mod for any reason
violet dagger
Aight
heady storm
If Dom could normally make it so you could be any level, I don’t see how it would apply strain.
violet dagger
But there could be a cheat item that allows you to change profiency
That's the best option imo
heady storm
Well like still, set increments of 5 don’t appeal to me.
hollow shell
I mean
Those're the only ones that are needed, right?
zenith hazel
and besides, testers already have their own means of fiddling with proficiency
violet dagger
What could possibly be done is clicking with the item guess up by one and right clicking down by 1
But that's a tad bit too specific
zenith hazel
as for nohitters, p sure there's someone else who's made a proficiency editing mod
hollow shell
What do testers use
heady storm
Check dev Rover.
dapper coral
i don't know if NotDragonBlade's mod lets you change proficiency
hollow shell
Does it take that long to say what it is
dapper coral
but if it does then that would be the solution for nohitters
zenith hazel
ponged in dev
heady storm
^
hollow shell
A mod by Dom, okay
radiant meadow
It's not a public mod.
zenith hazel
if nohitters also have their own thing too then the sugg is invalid
tawny garden
how unfair
heady storm
Become cool Philo.
hollow shell
Indeed, it was a joke.
violet dagger
vocal grotto
I specifically told testers to keep it in the dev server because I do not want to involve myself with the nohitting scene like I did before. Not now.
zenith hazel
just ask some nohitters and see what they use
vocal grotto
I think the old broken version of PoD?
dapper coral
if people have that, then they use that, yes
dapper coral
but the newer nohitters don't have that mod
heady storm
Some people keep it and disable it, yeah.
radiant meadow
I forget to even look at proficiency 99% of the time.
zenith hazel
but it shouldn't matter unless you're really minmaxing anyway
radiant meadow
I don't see the big deal about prof.
vocal grotto
If someone else wants to make a mod for such a use, more power to them.
Honestly, I'd prefer if my mod was not used anymore, but I can't really enforce that.
violet dagger
The best solution would just be a cheat item in game
vocal grotto
In Calamity?
zenith hazel
again, who would this serve when testers and nohitters already have their own tools?
violet dagger
What do nohitters use
zenith hazel
it's not like the casual player would use it
vocal grotto
It is, but you can go in and mess with it
hollow shell
Well the nohitters' one aint supported anymore
zenith hazel
it's the same case with the charger test item
vocal grotto
And then disable it again
I think specific QoL like that should be done by other mods, personally.
vocal grotto
I didn't add the test charger with intent of it going public
zenith hazel
yes, someone else can make that
vocal grotto
I was planning for it to be for testers and then it'd be removed before we released
craggy stratus
thats fair
zenith hazel
you can move the charger test from main to the helper mod
radiant meadow
It was only kept in due to multiplayer being a fuck
but that's fixed now so it could probably be removed
zenith hazel
mhm
radiant meadow
and join the void with shit like particle accelerator
vocal grotto
YuH doc material 
zenith hazel
byeah I can just remove the sugg if nobody objects
hollow shell
uhh
craggy stratus
i dont object, i think it should be done by other modder
zenith hazel
it's a neat idea but I don't 100% agree with us doing it
tawny garden
I object, but only cause it's valid
hollow shell
I kinda object, I think it's fine to have unobtainable cheat items
unreal star
i kinda like it tbh
vocal grotto
I think the precedent of adding QoL in such a way itself puts me off more than the specific case itself
When other mods can do just that
unreal star
i’m not a no hitter but it would be great for them
zenith hazel
but again, it doesn't serve much purpose besides for people digging through cheat sheet
unreal star
wdym not much purpose
radiant meadow
I'm a judge and forget proficiency exists half the time.
zenith hazel
because like I've said, it's not like the average player is gonna use it
hollow shell
It would be more convenient if no-hitters didn't have to use a separate mod
and having it in Calamity makes it more manageable by devs
zenith hazel
it's practically only gonna be used by a very small portion of the fanbase, so even then there can be a separate mod to manage that
radiant meadow
nohitters don't have to use anything
unreal star
and? the final dawn exists.
tawny garden
I'm a judge and forget proficiency exists half the time.
for some reason for a split second I thought you meant that you're a judge irl
radiant meadow
If you overlevel a bit, oh well
zenith hazel
what about the final dawn?
unreal star
the average player ain’t gonna use that
hollow shell
What
zenith hazel
that's just narrow minded
dapper coral
that's
unreal star
that was a joke lads
dapper coral
completely beside the point
hollow shell
That's kinda the opposite of true
radiant meadow
someone paid for the final dawn
hollow shell
okay
radiant meadow
nobody paid for a cheat item
dapper coral
and we don't really like to pop in with a joke in the middle of an actual sugg convo
zenith hazel
that's not a request for anyone to donate for a cheat item btw
violet dagger
Time to donate for a profiency changer item :echhyperventilate:
radiant meadow
I'm pretty sure multiple devs will be like why
craggy stratus
beside Dom's mod, is there any public mod that can allow player to do this
tawny garden
and we don't really like to pop in with a joke in the middle of an actual sugg convo
I do that a lot
dapper coral
as in, something that's just completely beside the point and derails a convo
radiant meadow
There's no public mods because it's not really something people need.
violet dagger
I'm counting on to make one
if he has a billion clones on fargo server he can surely program it
crude geode
(Slightly off topic, but can we add “Anahita/Siren NPC” suggs to the don’t list? I see them often enough to where it’s annoying, but there’s never enough reasoning to even justify putting it into voting.)
hollow shell
Hear me out
What about people testing DPS and stuff, who aren't official testers
Like people doing it for suggs or updating Class Setups
tawny garden
Denial of Service
radiant meadow
I don't think prof matters for class setups.
violet dagger
radiant meadow
Since it's a comparison by tier
you compare them too each other
with the same loadouts and such
hollow shell
I think it's a bit inconvenient to like
have a 10% damage difference among other stats
that is unrevertable
tawny garden
I don't think prof matters for class setups.
doesn't, cause contrary to popular belief it doesn't list the best stuff
radiant meadow
And if you're doing it for suggs, then something needs to be buffed or nerfed, yes?
Well, I don't think prof is going to have such a drastic change in that we all go wtf happened
And we don't balance solely based on suggs. We would have testers test them for extra insurance.
And again, these are often in comparison to other weapons. If you test true ark with 15 prof and then terra edge for comparison with 0 prof. That's not Calamity's fault. That's your fault.
craggy stratus
so true ark and terra edge with 10 prof should give the same result as 0 prof for both right
radiant meadow
ye in comparison
obviously 10 prof results will be better than 0 prof results
but comparitively, it would indicate if one of them is wacky balance
crude geode
Proficiency should always affect weapons equally.
So it’s not as much of trouble as say gear load outs.
radiant meadow
Now if you have 9 prof on terra edge then oops you level up, 10 prof true ark, I think the difference is minimal
that it doesn't matter anyways
crude geode
You could also have characters with each level of proficiency in each stage of the game, as test dummies that never advance to the next proficiency cap.
radiant meadow
as like a backup
crude geode
Yeah
violet dagger
Reminder that it's a soft cap
Ye u are unlikely to level it up
But it could be a smol issue
crude geode
Just make a backup of that character beforehand.
unreal star
but that would take SO DAMN LONG
leveling up to lvl 15 is something i have never done
crude geode
I have, quite naturally.
unreal star
at least i don’t think i have, proficiency is the most obscure part of calamity
radiant meadow
What do you need to level up to 15 for at such a high speed?
and bruh, I went afk for 6-7 hours once when prof first came out to get to lvl 15 on summoner. fight me
crude geode
I got lvl 15 proficiency on my Deathmode Summoner before Provi
craggy stratus
then i guess i can sugg an item for each class for afk proficiency farm
crude geode
A rubber band on your mouse to hold down left click while water and chaos candle are next to you?
craggy stratus
i guess summoner proficiency is the most noticeable, with extra summon slot
radiant meadow
but then you could just not summon the last summon if you need to watch your prof that badly
for whatever reason
crude geode
this sugg feels very unnecessary to me tbh
there's other solutions to this problem than a cheat item that a very small portion of the community will use.
crude geode
(Offtopic, but can "Anahita/Siren NPC" suggestions go in the don'ts? It's pretty frequently suggested and I never see it have any reasoning beyond "it's cool", or anything to trounce the fact you killed her)
radiant meadow
Should the sugg be removed then?
radiant meadow
zap
unreal star
rip
ashen lark
opinion on my suggestion?
crude geode
mode, accessories, loadout?
hollow shell
Kill time not needed I don't think
This isn't that kind of sugg
(Also its name is Mana Polarizer now)
craggy stratus
is mana polarizer affected by rev+ healing nerf?
radiant meadow
yes
hollow shell
mhm, Mana Pol doesn't bypass the cooldown
craggy stratus
again, eldritch tome and polarzier is great synergy
ashen warren
How does the nerf work again?
ashen lark
expert, statigel armor, mana polarizer, shield of cthulu, frostpark boots, mana fower, skyline wings, pretty much any useful buff sold by brewer at this point.
hollow shell
It's not just Rev+
ashen lark
just make it so that you dont just sit next to the eye and shred it in expert.
hollow shell
ohh the Brewer you say?
I have no idea if that includes non-vanilla potions
ashen lark
so, should i specify expert only
ashen lark
ohh the Brewer you say?
I have no idea if that includes non-vanilla potions
@hollow shell the non vanilla potions i bought: yharims stimulants, tesla, triumph
unreal viper
AH okay
hollow shell
Okay, that's fine
unreal viper
All good and fair stuff.
ashen lark
oh and greater dangersense, but that just highlights shots
unreal viper
In dmode I think lifesteal regen rate is 0.25 a frame.
So you should get 15 hp/sec from it at most.
ashen lark
how does rev+ healing nerf work?
hollow shell
Also @ashen warren (and @ wert) I'm pretty sure this is all there is to it
https://calamitymod.gamepedia.com/Lifesteal#Lifesteal_cooldown
ashen lark
as i was getting like 50/60/sec at a 1/3 modifier
hollow shell
I don't think Rev has any specific nerf, it's just a slightly stricter cooldown than Expert
unreal viper
You a certain amount of lifesteal you can get before it has to recover
It recovers every frame.
The intital burst and recover is lowered.
ashen lark
cuz one mod does somethng to lifesteal when on the mana sickness debuff
hollow shell
(mod?)
ashen lark
idk if calamity, first playthrough of mod
gave a out of touch deuff, lemme check
thorium
radiant meadow
That's different
hollow shell
Ah, I don't know if that affects lifesteal
radiant meadow
Out of Touch just prevents healer class from spamming mana pots
hollow shell
Pretty sure that solely affects their Healer class
raven moon
i just noticed that my sugg was deleted
ashen lark
Out of Touch just prevents healer class from spamming mana pots
@radiant meadow they nerfed the debuff.
raven moon
i thought i made it perfectly fine
ashen lark
its now only 1/3 effective instead of *0
radiant meadow
it's still a completely separate thing
dapper coral
what was it about Fishy?
raven moon
torches
ashen lark
hollow shell
There was still a few lil things that you were told to edit but didnt, Fishy
But I do think that your suggestion was fine overall. You can repost it if you have it, or rewrite it
raven moon
i dont have it but i wasnt pinged about it so i have no idea when
hollow shell
It was this
ashen lark
hey, would it be okay to just suggest rebalancing part of the game, but not so that they have to add a bunch of new items, just change how one thing triggers, and buff the rest of the things afterwards.
raven moon
i changed both of those things
hollow shell
What, exactly, wert?
crude geode
I don’t remember you removing the essential light part of it, just adding the proper lighting bit.
ashen lark
a critiscism on DoG i have is its second phase only adds a laser wall that doesnt add too much to the fight, how about vhange its progression more like yharon, and also remove cosmilite from the draedons forge.
after that buff all bosses and weapons that are made after DoGs defeat
craggy stratus
that is hell to balance
hollow shell
That would probably be a lot of work to rebalance all of post-DoG
ashen lark
(and ofc put the buffed moons after phase 1 is defeated)
raven moon
i removed it
golden narwhal
my real question is how does it not add much to the fight
ashen lark
That would probably be a lot of work to rebalance all of post-DoG
@hollow shell wouldnt it only be just finding the correct stat modifier for most things
dapper coral
you underestimate how much work that is
crude geode
^
hollow shell
I don't think you did, Fishy
I remember seeing the sugg an hour or two before it got deleted and it still had that bit
dapper coral
rebalancing is hell, or so i hear from beta testers
ashen lark
my real question is how does it not add much to the fight
@golden narwhal pretty simple to dodge and doesnt do much damage compared to the boss.
raven moon
oh i know i caught that bit a little bit after i got home
hollow shell
Also yeah do not assume that all weapons will buff equally
dapper coral
rebalancing half of post-ML would take months
crude geode
^^
dapper coral
which uh, probably falls under the "large-scale rework" don't
craggy stratus
doesnt do much damage?
crude geode
Yeah
hollow shell
You didn't ping Ben about it or mention it here, Fishy?
golden narwhal
He's in expert
Ofc it won't do much damage compared to say the head stares at death
ashen lark
unless theyve scaled DoG wonkly it wont do much damage compared to boss.
hollow shell
Anyway I wouldn't support DoG's phases becoming more similar to Yharon much, cuz that'd make them both less unique
crude geode
Don’t the laser walls also inflict god slayer inferno
ashen lark
yo, any mods on, i have someone who just posted a half torn up foot in my dms
hollow shell
oh
dapper coral
oh
crude geode
oh
dapper coral
uhhhh
hollow shell
Uhh @sonic torrent
golden narwhal
...wtf
tawny garden
👀
dapper coral
and make sure they're in this server
hollow shell
(get their ID first)
crude geode
Yeah
dapper coral
mm that too
craggy stratus
i was checking for laser damage, and saw the sentence
ashen lark
yknow, prob watching my stream and saw me report it, and was like, i gotta get some internet clout somehow
craggy stratus
ok back to topic
DoG contact damage should be more unforgiving
laser is basically a skill check
so dealing less damage would be balanced
golden narwhal
Laser forces you to slow down instead of keeping on running
craggy stratus
that too
golden narwhal
(and is incredibly iconic for DoG tbh)
crude geode
DoG’s laser walls deal about half the damage of dog’s contact, in any mode (besides Deathmode)
craggy stratus
half of instant death
crude geode
~~pretty sure half of infinity is 396 
~~
tawny garden
no, bigger
crude geode
Byeah
hollow shell
Thorium bit can be removed entirely
crude geode
^
hollow shell
"bonus healing" is not lifesteal, it's a Thorium stat
crude geode
not sure if this could be possible or not, but is there a way to maybe toggle shield visibility by having an item favorited? I know that lores can now be activated by favoriting them, but I'm not sure if you could cancel the visibility of shields by having some specific item favorited.
sand umbra
Thorium bit is irrelevant
Out of Touch only affects Healer's bonus healing stat
it does not affect lifesteal or other forms of healing in any fashion past that
ashen lark
actually better run it through here first
cause the astral infection to spread
the astral infections lore is riddled with the fact it can spread and spreads through anything, heck astrum aureus was created via its spreading, but in game it doesnt actually spread.this makes its lore highly innacurate, and a pretty simple biome, with no purpose other than that one weapon from drops and the two bosses. changing it to spread will add depth to the mod as a whole, as it will make it seem more alive.
crude geode
not gonna happen.
Spreading is something fab has stated that he doesn't want the astral infection to do iirc, and evil biomes already spread enough
radiant meadow
Spreading is annoying to deal with.
crude geode
also ^
radiant meadow
And I wouldn't be surprised if it caused multiplayer desync like astral solution.
crude geode
one weapon from drops is also highly inaccurate
and two bosses is the amount sulphur sea gets (minus an event)
dapper coral
there are like 7 weapon drops lol
crude geode
yeah lmao
hollow shell
Don't forget the big ole Altar tree-monolith in the biome, used to summon Deus
That's something pretty cool and notable, moving it away from just a simple biome
(And don't forget all the Fishing content)
ashen lark
it doesnt mean anything if the lore it has doesnt make any sense whatsoever
hollow shell
Okay
crude geode
just to let you in on a little secret, calamity's lore is already kind of a mess.
and iirc is going through overhauls/reworks
hollow shell
It is.
However I don't think Astral's will change much
crude geode
that is true
ashen lark
astral actually should be able to infect somehow
crude geode
changing it to spread will add depth to the mod as a whole.
that's...not really true.
ashen lark
or there be lore a explanation
violet dagger
Lore is gonna get changed a lot probs
sand umbra
it's one of those things where it's separated from its actual lore for the purpose of not making the player want to kill themselves trying to manage an additional spreading biome on top of the hilarious Corruption/Crimson
violet dagger
Iirc a ton of lore is done but mrrp's computer broke and he can't get it fixed bc corona
crude geode
what thomas said.
violet dagger
Ye
sand umbra
spreading biome memes are also why the Astral Infection can only ever spawn Dungeon-side
because otherwise it'd eat the Jungle for breakfast
and that's kinda bad
violet dagger
Begone evil makes evils go :echceasebegone: tho
crude geode
the evil biome usually does that on it's own, thomas
sand umbra
well yes
but it shouldn't
also I'm pretty sure Begone Evil also fucks the introduction of Hallow and HM Corruption/Crimson although I could be wrong
sand umbra
I don't care who made it, people make mistakes 
violet dagger
Byech it works fine from my experience
ashen lark
idea: add a energy orb that spawns in with the astral with a chest next to it with lab parts, the thing that does nothing and a draedon log saying that it prevents the spread of the astral. this way people can choose if they want to let their astral spread, and if not the lore still makes perfect sense
violet dagger
Could be made into a valid sugg
sand umbra
so here's the thing
the Astral Infection only exists the moment the player enters Hardmode
or at least, from a gameplay standpoint
crude geode
("Bc lore" isn't really the best of reasons to be completely honest.)
sand umbra
(I'm gonna be real with you, it's still a more valid reason than "because it'd be cool" or "QoL" or whatever)
(like, infinitely more valid than such)
violet dagger
Ye but calam lore is kinda detached from gameplay
violet dagger
This could be a step in the right direction tho
hollow shell
Astral Infection's pre-existence or lack thereof is a strange thing
ashen lark
very cool lore
crude geode
Astral Infection just...doesn't really exist until hardmode happens randomly, yeah.
ashen lark
Astral Infection's pre-existence or lack thereof is a strange thing
@hollow shell actually not really if you think about it, it just mutated into existance and started corrupting everything, begining with a god.
hollow shell
No I mean
sand umbra
its lack of pre-existence in-game, I think he means
ashen lark
the ancient seal breaking night and light may have dislodged something in the stars that blocked the pathway
hollow shell
with regards to gameplay vs lore
Cuz Aureus already existed beforehand, and yet the meteor lands within your playthrough
sand umbra
there was no ancient seal
ashen lark
theres creative ways of thinking about it.
sand umbra
there's no bigass Undertale-lookin' ass barrier keepin' the Astral Infection out
it literally travels on anything and everything it touches
crude geode
~~smh Thomas look at WoF ~~
violet dagger
What if draedon secretly built aureus and did shit with him when u weren't in astral biome
ashen lark
with regards to gameplay vs lore
Cuz Aureus already existed beforehand, and yet the meteor lands within your playthrough
@hollow shell astral has an influence on gods, what else it has influence on is limitless.
violet dagger
hollow shell
That's not what I'm talking about wert
sand umbra
Aureus was made to study the Astral Infection
ashen lark
could be from the future, could have been from another planet.
ashen warren
I'm pretty sure it was the gods that influenced the astral anyway
sand umbra
I don't care how good Draedon is, there's no fucking way he built giant mecha space Crabulon within like two hours to study the thing and then had it get overtaken
ashen lark
Perhaps he built a time machine :TaxEvasion:
@radiant meadow perhaps aures had a time machine in it
hollow shell
okay it is time to stop now
crude geode
sand umbra
either way it seems like a lot of hacky workarounds to explain something that could literally be explained by just having the Astral Infection actually exist in some capacity beforehand
crude geode
^^^^
ashen lark
i really want the bots to be named in the draedon fight now, naming one aures would close the astral loophole
aureus
whatever the hell its called
crude geode
Just like...have the astral meteor be in some chunk in the land, and then spread after hardmode happens.
sand umbra
(maybe make use of something akin to the Evil Islands? if Corruption/Crimson can infect Floating Islands, why can't the Astral Infection?)
hollow shell
(I'm pretty sure the canon is that there were other past astral meteor landings in the world, yes)
mossy badge
- aureus was made to study astral infection
sand umbra
ooo, so you can have something like
there's a mostly-degraded meteor somewhere underground
there's a bit of Astral Infection around that
mossy badge
sand umbra
maybe a bit on the surface
hollow shell
Maybe Thomas
crude geode
yeah like that. so you get a glimpse of what's to come.
crude geode
~~can't believe thomas just singlehandedly made the Astral Underground Revamp ~~
sand umbra
...I literally pulled that out of my ass in like 2 seconds why do I like this idea so much already
a
crude geode
prolly bc it fixes the problem very efficiently.
sand umbra
I can't even make a sugg about it because like it'd almost certainly be way too specific to fly
that and I'm pretty sure pre-HM Astral Infection falls under "grand-scale reworks" 
crude geode
idk man 
hollow shell
More lore worldgen is (almost) always welcome
We have some planned in dev which I am hype for
but we didn't think of having sparse Astral blocks hinting at its existence and demonstrating that it existed in the world before the impact
mossy badge
that would be so good ngl
sand umbra
...you know what
I'm not gonna like get instantly owned by a dozen suggestion memers for breaking some Don't if I make a sugg about this, am I
because fuck it I wanna make a sugg about this now
ashen warren
do it
tawny garden
gets instantly owned by a dozen suggestion memers for breaking some Don't
sand umbra
alright clown
you're one of the ones who would do that
cobalt pewter
3 exclaimed suggs in a row?
mossy badge
lol
cobalt pewter
That's a record aight
tawny garden
nah you just haven't seen Thomas a lot yet
sand umbra
well you see, Devourer of Lore, it's because the other regulars who try to police things more often fear my raw power and try to stop me at every turn
mossy badge
well
sand umbra
and also because that's kind of just how the cookie crumbles. I throw shade at everyone equally, it's fine
mossy badge
there are rules
sand umbra
I know that
tawny garden
they aren't
radiant meadow
I think you misunderstand our punishment system.
cobalt pewter
Oh I didn't follow this chat
sand umbra
not followin' sugg rules isn't (usually) grounds for a ban or even a warn
how do you come to the conclusion they're tryin' to keep me from bein' banned
heehhh?
mossy badge
well when someone tells you to follow the rules its usually so you dont ge tpunished'
cobalt pewter
also scuse me while I take your idea and make it into my variation of the sugg
tawny garden
not here
cobalt pewter
tawny garden
ashen warren
plagarizm, on the other hand...
radiant meadow
Let's calm down now. This isn't a competition, this is a collaboration.
cobalt pewter
Lmao
sand umbra
I know but still I need validation
and also jokes aside I need to make sure I'm not gonna instantly die for breaking some sort of Don't because like Philo or somebody else is gonna come in all "well actually Thomas you broke a small technicality with this one suggestion Don't and so you're gonna need to not do that, get outta here"
radiant meadow
You worry too much.
sand umbra
yes
yes I do
radiant meadow
Just post it and then we can work from there.
sand umbra
alright time to do the thing
cobalt pewter
poggers
tawny garden
(iirc I did that once in regards to your sugg because I got confused in the rules )
sand umbra
I'm like 90% sure you've done that to me before yeah
radiant meadow
Caustic Staff was changed because it was extremely broken.
violet dagger
Just il edit that shit in dissonant duality thomas
ok I probably don't know how il editing works tho
cobalt pewter
Bruh
left ice
I specified it in a way that wouldn't do so, though. And yeah, I can see how caustic staff might be an issue at the progression stage. But at later stages of the game, that won't really be an issue, IMO.
violet dagger
Madlad
cobalt pewter
Hmm
sand umbra
gseal
bruh
I'm not gonna just go back on my no-Calamity-additions-with-DD assessment for one thing
that's just not happening
I'm not subjecting myself to that pain again
violet dagger
ok that was a joke no need to pile on me
sand umbra
anywho is this like too specific or is it good
cobalt pewter
Anyway, another way to expand on astral phm is to convert one of the Planetoids into astral themed
Even in phm
violet dagger
Ye
dapper coral
seems fine to me
cobalt pewter
Yeah sugg is ight
tawny garden
I performed a more extensive check on this one (cause of course I would)
and didn't find any violation
violet dagger
Smol pockets of astral ore could work incase the main meteor gets fucked up and you don't feel like slimes
tawny garden
cause there is none
violet dagger
Thomas really do be evading the dont's
sand umbra
except I can't dance and I can't socialize so I instead stick to the walls like the antisocial fuck I am
hollow shell
This sugg seems fine, but I'm wondering
do you expect it to be enough for it to be considered a biome, or no?
violet dagger
Since someone did make it and I might need permission from them
sand umbra
do you expect it to be enough for it to be considered a biome, or no?
.
uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
tawny garden
it's already a biome
violet dagger
It'd use the same astral blocks
cobalt pewter
What rover meant is prolly the size
violet dagger
So no
sand umbra
actually yeah doesn't the meteor itself already basically qualify
or am I just like
dumb
tawny garden
no
violet dagger
It'd probably be best as just smol chunks of astral ore in planetoids
sand umbra
both are reasonable outcomes
left ice
He means size-wise. As in, would it have enough blocks to change the background and music.
hollow shell
Uhh I think the Astral Ore blocks have a high biome priority yeah
I might be wrong tho
crude geode
(hey can I get some credit for inspiring Thomas? I guess it's fine if not)
hollow shell
Well I mean, there was a message by Cursed in the prior convo that led to Thomas's idea
I think.
crude geode
you clearly haven't seen the time where we posted the same sugg two seconds apart
(also yes that was me)
violet dagger
What Sugg was it
tawny garden
I gotta stop with the jokes
hollow shell
It was a weird joke
violet dagger
I gotta start using more I got converted to ech user by fargo discord
violet dagger
hollow shell
(Thomas dev for Spirit Mod?? real??)
crude geode
that's like exposure payment my boi
sand umbra
you think I'm gettin' paid for this shit
violet dagger
Yes
sand umbra
I don't even get exposure alright I get like
the knowledge that my suggestion happened
and that's it
alright
violet dagger
Inb4 offtopic
sand umbra
making suggestions is a volunteer thing, it's not a job
crude geode
Do you think I'm not aware of this?
sand umbra
I mean I tend to treat it like a job because I do it like every 2-3 days at least but it's not
e
anywho before we get into like an hour-long argument over something that, if I were to mention it in the sugg, would only detract from the point
back to the point of the sugg:
hilarious mutated coronavirus from space
hollow shell
I feel like you should mention in your sugg whether the blocks will be enough to qualify as a biome
Thats a pretty important detail
tawny garden
inb4 it becomes specific
crude geode
I don't see how a single parenthesis disclaimer can detract that much but okay whatever.
sand umbra
now you see, Rover, I intentionally left that detail blank because I feel like someone's waiting to call me out for being too specific
that and I'm not really certain, on immediate contemplation, which would be more beneficial to the overall concept
hollow shell
Some specificity is fine when backed by reasoning.
Heck you could say in your suggestion that it could go either way
atm it's just weird that you don't bring it up
sand umbra
e
hollow shell
Okay that works
crude geode
(You could have it be that the background doesn't change and there's no tint like in the real astral biome, but a unique astral theme plays. But that might be too specific)
hollow shell
Classic understated Astral Meteor theme 
tawny garden
didn't dokuro release 2 soundtracks for the biome and they're unused?
or am I living in the past
violet dagger
Which ones
radiant meadow
You mean the old astral biome theme?
violet dagger
The underground one is used
hollow shell
I think the old Meteor theme is in the official OST, alongside the new ones
radiant meadow
I believe all of the scrapped and old themes that were composed by him specifically for Calamity are in the OST.
novel belfry
is it ok to essentially suggest "rename anahita back to the Siren", or is it actually forbidden?
cobalt pewter
Don't think so
Anahita is already a water elemental
Naming her "Siren" for no reason other than nostalgia is probably a no
dapper coral
idk if that would count as reverting to old changes