ikr, but it isnt like an insane luck, its just like finding another uderground/cavern loot like hermes boot, cloud in a bottle etc.
#suggestions-discussion
sleek hornet
left ice
So I haven't checked the suggestions in a few days and a few of the suggestions were something along the lines of "Buff this boss that was too easy because I cheesed it instead of fighting it legit" and my only thought is: bruh
serene fox
does dog's head really do contact damage even after he tps?
I don't think I've ever had that happen to me so
sleek hornet
So I haven't checked the suggestions in a few days and a few of the suggestions were something along the lines of "Buff this boss that was too easy because I cheesed it instead of fighting it legit" and my only thought is: bruh
@left ice the Deathmode golem right, lol
silk echo
As it was already posted in the suggestion like a month ago but the idea of grazing as a way to gain rage seems a good replacement for the way of gaining rage via damage received
left ice
Among others, yes, that was one I was referencing.
sleek hornet
@serene fox you can ask it in #help-advice-read-pins
ashen warren
i've only had that happen when dog drops below 20% (idk what the percentage is now) mid laser walls
silk echo
Because starting out as a mage I barely got to utilize rage due to not being true melee and trying to not take damage, but grazing to get rage could make it so all classes have it fair
sleek hornet
oh sorry i thougt you asked abiut the fight
silk echo
Risk vs reward essentially
unreal star
deltarune TP
silk echo
Yeah like that
Would make it a actual strategy to get close to a projectile to get a sliver of rage builder up
Probably would like 0.5 or 1 per graze though so people can’t just get it all in a instant from some spammy bosses
serene fox
what
left ice
But what about bosses that don't have projectiles to dodge?
sinful steeple
The only material that goes into CoTBG and isn't fully present in its effect is blood pact which is
Oh boy
left ice
All of them?
silk echo
And it could be sources of damage like the hitboxes for those that don’t have projectiles
left ice
Worm scarf doesn't have the full effect, blood pact doesn't have the full effect, bloodflare doesn't have the full effect. Flesh totem is the only thing that does.
sinful steeple
I see
left ice
I mean, not having the full effect is fine, since that would put it at a top-notch accessory. But at the moment, it's just a solid downgrade.
cobalt pewter
Well are you expecting 4 entire accs to be smushed into 1?
silk echo
Like grazing by the hit box will give you that rage point, but you can only get it once per a graze source so someone doesn’t just stand next to a boss and gain it, they actually have to move around to earn it
sinful steeple
Although bloodflare core's missing bits are less than great, blood pact is absolutely terrible and worm scarf is like
5% difference
left ice
To be fair, that's what almost all the other accessories that are combined do, Feedzuh.
sinful steeple
And core of the blood god is already a stupid powerful acc
cobalt pewter
^
left ice
CotBG seems to be trash according to wiki, but I'll admit that sometimes pure stats can be deceiving.
sinful steeple
CotBG is one of the meta items that isn't actually completely terrible
cobalt pewter
If you'd smush all of their effects, it'd be broken to fuck
silk echo
Also here’s something, how about the blood moon lore item actually does something like increase spawn rates during a blood moon
serene fox
CotBG also has insane synergy with RTN
silk echo
Instead of just being something to read
serene fox
it's such a powerful acc combo
sinful steeple
You're insane if you don't use it, it tears ass for Yharon especially
left ice
Realistically speaking, it's just a solid 7% damage, 5% DR, 10% HP, and half damage every 20 seconds.
cobalt pewter
Event, miniboss or biome lores don't have any effects
sinful steeple
Which is the boss you fight right after getting it
And an additional 15% damage under 100 defence
left ice
But considering that it's at the stage of the game where players get things like the amalgam or the sponge, it just doesn't seem to stand up.
Yes, but armor at that stage of the game gives 100 defense without any accessories.
sinful steeple
Have you... Played that part of the game yet?
left ice
Yes.
sinful steeple
Amalgam is completely terrible and the sponge is outclassed
left ice
Those are both great.
cobalt pewter
Amalgam is workable with the clump seawater or water arena
But yes
Amalgam is too situational
sinful steeple
Amalgam is only workable with water arena
If you're staying in only specific spots you will be blown to pieces
Even if you get boosted
left ice
Why would anyone stay in a specific spot, though?
cobalt pewter
chuckles in stealth rogue
left ice
Oh, I guess stealth. My bad.
sinful steeple
Because amalgam only does more than barely anything if you are underwater or standing in projectiles
left ice
Once again, why would you be standing in a damage source? Calamity nerfs defensive playstyles into oblivion, so players will be dodging anyway.
sinful steeple
A summon's projectiles, not the enemy's
You'd still get blown to pieces because you can't move unless you want amalgam to become a waste of an acc slot
left ice
Eh, difference in opinions, I guess.
sinful steeple
Do you even know what the amalgam does?
left ice
Yes.
sinful steeple
What does it do then?
left ice
15% damage, poisonous seawater behind, variety of debuffs, summons a fungal clump, severe buffs underwater, buffs in lava and reduction of lava damage, etc.
sinful steeple
Yeah but you see the problem is
silk echo
Just put my suggestion in for the Blood moon lore item
sinful steeple
Apart from the fungal clump all the projectiles will miss, because they are aimed at nothing and come from the sky
left ice
IMO, the projectiles aren't really meant to be that useful. More of just a support every once in a while.
sinful steeple
If every once in a while is never, then I agree with you
silk echo
But honestly there is potential of a effect for the blood moon lore item
sinful steeple
And the aura of debuffs doesn't really help considering that at the stage of the game you get it, you are about to fight Yharon, a fast moving and hard hitting enemy that will crush you if you're close
left ice
Oh, having just noticed, it looks like leviathan ambergris might have been changed slightly, which in turn means that my judgement of the amalgam might be flawed. I was testing the other day and the seawater left behind could be used to apply the buffs to the player but that doesn't seem to be the case now.
sinful steeple
A lot of the accessories in the amalgam are nerfed
cobalt pewter
Amalgam is cotbg but worse yes
sinful steeple
For example, amalgamated brain's effects are not even present except for the shade rain
Which is completely useless, since it is aimed at nothing and only occurs when you are hit
sleek hornet
but many of the lore item also have no effect right? especially the biome one
sinful steeple
Yeah 8 actually
left ice
8 with no effect.
left ice
Yeah, but there are also only like 10 of those that are actually consistently useful. 😛
sinful steeple
Yeah but terrible items doesn't mean no items
Gehenna, for example, is insultingly bad
It still exists though
cobalt pewter
Yeah already suggested to buff Gehenna a while back
fossil finch
CotBG was my meta every single time i fougth yharon just for the totem effect and everything else was an extra to me
cobalt pewter
or was that thomas?
sinful steeple
Yeah CoTBG is already powerful but due to contact damage being arguably more relevant than at any point of the game other than maybe the start, it's really helpful
cobalt pewter
#suggestions-voting message
Okay it was mine, but it should be a blue check now
sinful steeple
Yharon's 660 contact damage(assuming you are playing on the better game mode) is huge, but with flesh totem/CoTBG you can shrink that down to 330, much more manageable
cobalt pewter
@dapper coral can you bluecheck this sugg? Apparently there's another one that's already approved by the devs
#suggestions-voting message
left ice
I wonder what the most damage Yharon can do is. I calculated the max damage in general a while back (which ended up being around 130k damage on a single hit IIRC), but I don't remember the exact formula.
sinful steeple
And because it gives you a boost if you're low on defence and massively reduces contact damage, it not only boosts damage but also survivability with reaper tooth
dapper coral
@cobalt pewter there you go
cobalt pewter
Thancc
violet dagger
:hage:
marble hazel
Lets fucking goooooo
cobalt pewter
:hage: time
marble hazel
Hage will never die
sinful steeple
Yes
marble hazel
No one can stop us
sinful steeple
Hage is like, one of the best emotes
violet dagger
im surprised im not in any servers with hage
marble hazel
cobalt pewter
I'm surprised I don't have nitro
ashen warren
:hage:
cobalt pewter
violet dagger
marble hazel
dapper coral
aight we can stop with the random hage emotes now 
marble hazel
Ok sorry demik lol
violet dagger
where can i even find hage
ashen warren
hage servers
nova glacier
hippity hopp
dapper coral
@nova glacier please don't comment random things here
frail mantle
could also note that hage has been used almost 900 times since February, meaning it's a pretty popular emote
dapper coral
oh yeah, i noted that it was popular in other cal servers but not here, coolio
golden narwhal
This would be an odd exclusion from regular enemies
frail mantle
eah
also worms make the funny digging noise so it's not like they're completely undetectable
golden narwhal
Worm bosses also have map icons because they're, well, bosses
whole sedge
don't see the point in this as i've never really struggled to find where worms are
golden narwhal
@ashen warren above
ashen warren
also worms make the funny digging noise so it's not like they're completely undetectable
@frail mantle but you wont know which direction they come from
golden narwhal
Could you expand on the reason, since, uh, most enemies are dangerous and need preparation to deal with
And there's the other issue of most of them not being bosses/mini bosses
dapper coral
that's kinda the gimmick of worms, is that you know they're there but not where
frail mantle
ye
dapper coral
removing that would get rid of that uniqueness
golden narwhal
Yes
frail mantle
when you hear the noise you know you should get to a more open space so you have more time to react
ashen warren
then can we give cosmic guardian, DoG or astrum deus sounds when theyre nearby as well without including the use of minimaps
golden narwhal
Again, they're bosses for the most part
frail mantle
you don't usually fight them underground
golden narwhal
Bosses generally have map icons
ashen warren
mini bosses like armored diggers don't however
and cosmic guardians
if you wanna consider them mini bosses
frail mantle
deus and doge are bosses and have map icons (doge phase 2 even has map icons for body and tail segments) and cosmic guardians are usually on your ass and visible
golden narwhal
If that's your problem, you could specify it to that
Giving it to regular enemies is kinda weird
frail mantle
mhm
ashen warren
ok let me change sugg
gusty geode
Isn't that the entire point of enemies
To be a threat
tawny garden
@sleek hornet you should have "inflict" instead of "inflicts" and "inconsistency" instead of "non consistency"
(A nitpick, but I'd like to see proper grammar)
tawny garden
Oh fuck
in which the Fungal Clump from the accesory will leave the seawater instead of the player.
@cobalt pewter the fuck were you trying to say?
tawny garden
Instead of the player?
tawny garden
M
That wasn't clear to me
Mb you should rewrite it a bit
tawny garden
damn, now I can't see what you should change cause it seems obvious
Uhh, maybe "the fungal clump will now leave the seawater behind him, instead of the player doing so"
cobalt pewter
Mhm alright
sleek hornet
Oh yea, sorry. English is not my native language
tawny garden
It's all good lol
sleek hornet
Lmao ok, btw it isn't like stupid or silly suggestion right :p
serene fox
seems aight
tawny garden
Yea, it's fine
sleek hornet
Ok thanks
radiant meadow
@west radish Ye, you're not supposed to make suggestions regarding future content, in this case being 1.4.
radiant meadow
The pins have a document detailing more into what you should or shouldn't suggest.
ye
west radish
k
mossy badge
what was it?
radiant meadow
It's nothing you need to concern yourself with
hollow idol
damn
hollow shell
After discussion in the moderator channels, we have decided
this.
frail mantle
interesting
hollow shell
Server suggestions are quite uncommon anyway, it's fine if a majority of them get delivered to the moderators for their round of voting
radiant meadow
They really wanted hage
robust lava
So it's for a good cause
hollow idol
100 star drop in the last month
civic pond
amber thought my vote was a joke,.,.,,.,
craggy stratus
140 stars 
dapper coral
byeah ig this change only affects suggs from this point forward?
hollow shell
The Legend pin has been updated accordingly
robust lava
How many people do you think are going to miss the part where it says server suggestions?
hollow idol
timeline pin 👉
hollow shell
What was the last server suggestion
dapper coral
feedzuh suggested a Warned role change
dapper coral
the last server sugg that made it to 140 was probably hage
hollow shell
I'll add that it won't retroactively affect older suggs cuz that'd be a bit of effort to go back and find em all
cobalt pewter
H A G E
I S
C O M I N G
cobalt pewter
civic pond
hollow shell
I think it's good and makes sense
It's more intuitive to the player
You could mention directly that the player would have no idea to check the Cloud Elemental for more loot
cuz you just kinda imply it currently
craggy stratus
aight
hollow shell
(you could also add a line break just before "Another reason is Storm Weaver is..."
for slightly more readability)
craggy stratus
i just spent 5 minutes trying to rephrase rover edit
cobalt pewter
Anyway, I kinda wanted post a rendition of adding melee stuff from Sentinels, but idk what to think about it now
Like melee only got mirror blade from all sentinels pre polter iirc
Or pre provi?
I couldn't recall my own sugg
:fear:
craggy stratus
yup, only mirror blade at sentinels tier
hollow shell
"the player won't directly farm her"
Not the best wording
I would just say that the player won't know to check her
craggy stratus
screw it, imma copy that sentece
cobalt pewter
I'd say
hollow shell
ok
cobalt pewter
Byeah that works too
hollow shell
@ashen warren You need a reason in your suggestion
(separate from your main idea, as in shift+enter)
You should also elaborate more on what you mean
ashen warren
my bad
i tried to follow up my initiol message and i reliezed there was a 10 minute cooldown
dapper coral
you can edit your original
hollow shell
^
subtle oracle
Star requirement decreased :PogU:
hollow shell
(for server suggs)
violet dagger
Mfw this is gonna be confusing
hollow shell
Server suggs aren't too common so it won't be that big a deal
hollow shell
We're workin on it actually
Your suggestion isn't formatted properly
Main idea needs to be at the top line, with reasoning below (shift+enter)
quick relic
Have things changed?
tawny garden
Yea read pins
quick relic
It has been a while
hollow shell
Also doesn't he have like 5 or 6 weapons?
frail mantle
Rav already has a weapon for every class (two for melee and rogue)
hollow shell
That's a pretty good amount
And also the two unique accs and also the material drops
cobalt pewter
We're workin on it actually
@hollow shell may I suggest something? How about this:
- The mods can mark suggs in posting whether it's a cal or server sugg with reactions (similar to ❗ ). Once thrown into voting, the bot will color code the suggestion based off the reaction given
tawny garden
Also there are quite a lot of armor sets at that point iirc
hollow shell
We're planning on doing something similar to that yes
dapper coral
soon™️
cobalt pewter
Alright coolio
dapper coral
if everything goes to plan
tawny garden
Soon or soon™️?
unreal viper
Regarding ravager, mentioning that he is seen as difficult might help your case
hollow shell
Your reason could definitely be a lot more elaborate tho
More than 2 half-sentences
hollow shell
Also @ashen warren that's better but you should reduce the needless specificity
Don't need to say 1/3 chance or list out what should be in the chests. You should just say what kind of items would be in there (to give the devs more freedom of execution)
I'm also... not sure why you're suggesting this
when giant trees already occasionally have underground rooms with loot in them
Alright there it goes I guess
cobalt pewter
I wonder why isn't that a standard tbh
It makes the whole thing way fairer for everyone involved
unreal viper
Cursed also sucks ngl
cobalt pewter
I should probably also note that from fab's poll, SG is stupidly high in the "difficulty" voting for a phm boss
Which says something
dapper coral
is cursed the one where you can't use any items
cobalt pewter
Yes
cobalt pewter
As much as I hate cursed, it's still better than Distorted imo
dapper coral
doesn't the nazar negate that?
unreal viper
Nazar does but nazar is quite rare
dapper coral
oh wait, i see
i was gonna say that that was already inflicted by one of them, but that's the point of the sugg
unreal viper
There is a recipe, idk if it’s hardmode or not
dapper coral
i mean technically you can get nazar from -- yeah
same with vitamins from the ebonians
cobalt pewter
So with a couple attempts, you can negate either or both debuffs
Is it okay to include fab's poll into equation?
sleek hornet
nazar can drop from cursed skulls right? so its pre hm
serene fox
yeah
cobalt pewter
I kinda wanna include that since it's a Community voting
Yeah nazar is phm
While vitamins is normally HM
unreal viper
Skulls are like ultra rare
cobalt pewter
Honestly in calam your best bet of getting nazar is fighting SG for a bit
unreal viper
And the drop chance sucks, I suppose defiled helps with that ig
sleek hornet
but tbh weak debuff isnt really particularly annoying
unreal viper
It’s not horribly crippling
dapper coral
Is it okay to include fab's poll into equation?
i don't see why you couldn't
cobalt pewter
Yeah, only Cursed and Distorted, the latter much worse than former
unreal viper
Like cursed and distorted are
sleek hornet
gosh my keyboard sucks
sinful steeple
The voting link is kinda shaky to use as proof because apparently Desert Scourge, a boss that has two slow and predictable attacks and gets bodied by nearly every weapon in the entire game is not the easiest Calamity boss according to the voting link
cobalt pewter
Well it is community voting
I'm not saying it's a decisive evidence, but it's an evidence anyway
cobalt pewter
I condemn the community from thinking that scal is the hardest boss, but it's still community that voted on it
sinful steeple
Also apparently, according to said list Slime God is also harder than most of the bosses in the game which is definitely not true
cobalt pewter
Yeah, I suspect the reason for it is Distorted
sinful steeple
Sure it can combo you... But if bosses were placed based on how good they could combo you Provi and CV would be at the top
dapper coral
most people probably think of it as difficulty for its tier
and/or predetermined bias
sinful steeple
Yeah I assumed it was difficulty for its tier
But at its tier, the available weapons kinda thrash SG
left ice
Some of the rankings were weird in general, though, but I guess each person has different opinions on boss difficulty, after all. I would have ranked brimstone elemental way higher and ravager way lower, for example.
violet dagger
ravager's new phase is p hard tho
teal urchin
off topic but i agree with the newest suggestion
violet dagger
not exactly off topic
tbh i miss the days when moderators had to go ask everyone if a sugg was ok before approving 
teal urchin
its really frustrating to me when i get the distorted debuff and then i go straight into a ton of those little ball projectiles that just sit in the air and accumulate, and i take like 200 damage, and just like that i lose, for getting hit 1 time by the core, which at the end of the fight moves much faster than the player can dodge
ikd just imo slime god is one of my least favorite bosses, just because they can destroy you if you make one mistake, they definitely feel like top 3 hardest bosses to me
dapper coral
tbh i miss the days when moderators had to go ask everyone if a sugg was ok before approving
unfortunately, those days required a lot more work that rover just didn't have the time for
this is a better system all around
radiant meadow
If you mean the ❕ , part of the issues with that was on Rover.
He was really stingy about it sometimes.
And it actually got to the point where I didn't feel comfortable approving them anymore.
dapper coral
i think they're talking about after the new system was implemented with the bot but before the automation
dapper coral
yeah, fairly recent then
dapper coral
i showed up like a few weeks before the sugg system rework with the 3 channels
violet dagger
has it really only been a month and a half since then
dapper coral
since ❗?
dapper coral
lemme check
looks like it's only been about a month
implementation seemed to be around aug 14th
so a month and a bit
violet dagger
2020 going by super slow
dapper coral
it really do be
heady storm
@dapper coral 
ashen warren
:D hages incoming
sinful steeple
Did Rover strategically low the star requirement for Discord suggs because hage
ashen warren
no
cobalt pewter
yes
sinful steeple
That'd be funny ngl
dapper coral
no
sinful steeple
Oof
dapper coral
~~granted we really want hage but ~~ it was something that we decided after a bit of thinking, yes
ashen warren
dapper coral
you knew it was coming
violet dagger
:hage:
gaunt quest
blazing dome
oh damn, due to the star count being lowered, my suggestion about acid wood furniture sets and tiles sets has been sent to devs and approved!
cobalt pewter
poggers
ashen warren
hasnt the latest sugg already been suggested once?
serene fox
fairly sure the previous one was only asking for cosmic guardian icons
sharp ibex
has it?
serene fox
not all worm minibosses
ashen warren
i mean the armored digger one
sharp ibex
oh
ashen warren
i think
serene fox
no I don't think so
golden narwhal
The weapon itself is fine tbh
ashen warren
i like the sugg
cobalt pewter
Well yes, but I'm saying overall is meh
Like
It does fine
For something that drops at 1% chance
From a boss that you need to endure an event through everytime in order to see it
cobalt pewter
smh Swarmer + plague hive is still better anyways
byeah, the acquisition is fucking aids compared to literally everything else
golden narwhal
- molten does literally nothing to the weapon rn
cobalt pewter
Yep
I'm not even sure how you would utilize Molten consistently as intended tbh
Like, putting potions or accs would be more reliable than a buff that triggers on hitting smth with a Legendary
golden narwhal
I'd view it as a bonus than something you should build around
cobalt pewter
In its current state, ig that'd make sense
(the OOA legendary in case you forgot)
golden narwhal
heady storm
Is that all molten does?
heady storm
And that's where I have a problem, do recheck indeed, both wiki and ingame.
(Alternatively, see if you can ask a wiki editor for a source check.)
heady storm
Wait what... When were their pings still functional to the public?
tawny garden
that didn't ping, don't worry
ashen warren
cuz it doesn't work for me
golden narwhal
Yep, can confirm molten is solely cold stuff in-game
unless there's smth that's hidden, which would be barely noticeable
heady storm
Looks fine to me then.
copper seal
Are they not?
hollow shell
But, Wormholes do make returning to bossfights really easy still
hollow shell
They were for a while, but we eventually got rid of it to encourage more player freedom
copper seal
Edited, thanks for the heads up
hollow shell
("mod optima", you mean options?)
ashen warren
is it like a coding issue where some potions can only be stacked to 30 at max? if not, then I would suggets making them stack up to 999
hollow shell
Yes it is a multiplayer sugg
hollow shell
It's in the top line, Philo
tawny garden
oh fuck
copper seal
Fixed, can’t type on phone lmao
hollow shell
I think that we change the stack size of some items already??
Dunno for sure
Okay, yes, we do
ashen warren
hmmm.
hollow shell
It would help your sugg to mention this ^ , Riri
Items like Bombs and Dynamite are changed
ashen warren
what do you mean
tawny garden
hm, if MaxStackPlus already does that
hollow shell
In vanilla, they stack up to 99
Calamity changes their stack size to 999
tawny garden
is your sugg even needed?
ashen warren
because it wouldnt even be hard to implement that anyway
hollow shell
The answer is because we already make changes to do this
ashen warren
yeah i dont think most people know about maxstack
hollow shell
If we didn't make changes to do this, then I would say yes
just download MaxStackPlus
but because we do, I think this sugg is valid if he mentions that in his sugg
ashen warren
so what do I have to edit in
hollow shell
That Calamity changes the stack sizes of Bombs, Dynamite, and literally all items with a stack size of 99
to instead be 999
we also change Pirate Map and Snow Globe to stack up to 20 instead of being nonstackable
ashen warren
that was needed tbh
Calamity already changed the stack sizes of Bombs, Dynamite, and literally all items with a stack size of 99
to instead be 999 so they can easily implement this in
like that?
hollow shell
Yeah that's fine
You could also point out that, as a result, it would not be outlandish for us to change the stack sizes of potions. As in, there's already a precedent
(not just that it's easy)
Aight cool 👍
hollow shell
That disables respawning during bosses right?
ashen warren
there are actually mods that might help with most suggs imo
but they arent well known
tawny garden
make them well known
ashen warren
~~how ~~
tawny garden
m yeah
it only hard disables
you can't choose the respawn time, it just sets it to ∞
hollow shell
(how does that look with the respawn timer mod?)
clever canopy
People really out here thinking calamity is the only mod and must add every single feature
clever canopy
Should maybe include some commonly requested QoL mods in the suggestions document
Like in the frequent suggestions bit
clever canopy
If they already exist, why?
hollow shell
like, YABHB, imkSushi, Faster Start
to some extent Both World Evils
Calamity adds features with encroach on all of em
tawny garden
that's also a problem with calamity being 1/8th QoL mod
hollow shell
Oh yeah and Fargo's Mutant Mod
clever canopy
Calamity health bars should probably just be removed anyway with YABHB being in vanilla 1.4
clever canopy
Even after the port to 1.4?
hollow shell
1.4's health bars are smol and don't have the percent listed
clever canopy
Could just add a % to vanilla bars
hollow shell
We could
but also
only one 1.4 health bar can be present at a time
and it doesn't show up for minibosses
violet dagger
1.4 health bar is p bad compared to another boss hp bar
clever canopy
Personally I’d prefer vanilla features being tweaked/fixed than duplicates being added
violet dagger
dont think you can have a custom bar for modded bosses and it doesnt slide down like another boss hp bar
sand umbra
1.4 health bar looks kinda snazzy ngl, but it lacks the personalization you can have with YABHB
violet dagger
ye
clever canopy
Still got 1.4.1 to go, hopefully they flesh it out more in that
clever canopy
I imagine there will be a mod that expands its functionality
@tawny garden probably whoever made YABHB
violet dagger
didnt jopo make it
violet dagger
no it was flash kirby who made it
sand umbra
also unrelated and late assertion but
why do people keep insisting to ignore the use of other mods when discussing proposed changes to Calamity
violet dagger
glad to know an SoA dev made it 
sand umbra
legitimate question
cobalt pewter
Calam healthbar is funni mgr reference
violet dagger
that does exactly and only what this latest sugg is
clever canopy
Because people dum
sand umbra
forget just one other mod, there are multiple that already pull this off
sand umbra
MaxStackPlus is literally dedicated to allowing item stacks to be big chungus
violet dagger
and fargos mutant
sand umbra
and Fargo's Mutant Mod, one of the most popular QoL-type mods out there, has this feature as well
ye
violet dagger
fargos is a p much QoL starter pack now
sand umbra
not even starter pack
violet dagger
they got boss zen, the npcs, and a ton of good shit
sand umbra
it's the QoL mod to have
violet dagger
yes
sand umbra
you want it, Mutant Mod probably has it
dapper coral
i was searching for it in the doc but i couldn't find it
tawny garden
why do people keep insisting to ignore the use of other mods when discussing proposed changes to Calamity
because "forget about other mods, this is calamity"
dapper coral
i seem to remember that we had said not to suggest QoL changes when there are mods for this exact purpose
tawny garden
you did
clever canopy
We making meta suggestions now
sand umbra
I could've sworn I did
clever canopy
I remember at least you talking about it
sand umbra
my memory must be actin' up again
clever canopy
Maybe you just forgot to post
tawny garden
maybe it didn't get to voting
sand umbra
anywho, I suppose I oughta get that kinda sugg out there
because this is really growing tiresome to keep explaining to people
dapper coral
well, i'm almost entirely certain that we said it would be added to the doc
idk if a sugg about it is necessary
sand umbra
then why ain't it there
dapper coral
really?
dapper coral
but at the same time, there's no need for Cal to continue doing said QoL when the user could just install another mod for it
clever canopy
I don’t think those things are as explicitly similar as these suggestions though
dapper coral
i get that there's precedent for it
but it would be a complete waste of time from my perspective
clever canopy
Like adding a few accessory recipes isn’t the same as copying tokens from imksushi
tawny garden
waste of time on devs' part
dapper coral
yes
clever canopy
But disabling multiplayer respawning is exactly the same as BM
hollow shell
I don't necessarily agree with all of Calamity's QoL additions
but it's stuff we already add, partly so we can have more control over it and change it if need be
sand umbra
but then
you never do
I can count the number of times, on one hand, that any QoL change that has been added was then changed to an appreciable extent ever
hollow shell
Just because it hasn't been done doesn't mean it will never be done
(especially with regards to vanilla item recipes because those're really easy changes)
dapper coral
but it does show that the need to change these things is very low
and so it's not really necessary for cal to have control over
99% of the time
hollow shell
(I was personally in the camp that separating a vast majority of Calamity's vanilla changes into a separate mod was a good course of action)
sand umbra
I made a sugg about that but it never reached dev 
hollow shell
indeed
tawny garden
so we can have more control over
communism
hollow shell
nah, authoritarianism
tawny garden
sand umbra
yep
tawny garden
exactly 💯
sand umbra
no way in hell we're getting 100 people to star it on a whim 
...I wonder if reposting it would yield any different results
tawny garden
@ everyone
sand umbra
because I still feel this is the best course of action to take with the majority of Cal's vanilla changes
sand umbra
bruh
hollow shell
Strategy:
Make a bunch of separate suggestions that have to do with resolving the issues that Calamity's QoL imposes
and then repost your mod separation sugg
so that people get in the mindset that they're problematic and need a solution
dapper coral
manipulation of the people, i see
sand umbra
you're a genius
hollow shell
cobalt pewter
tawny garden
cobalt pewter
Looks interesting
sand umbra
why didn't I think of this from the start
cobalt pewter
Rover be playing 5D chess
hollow shell
(I often think about subtle influences on people's decisions when it comes to votes and stuff
That's why I'm always the stickler about adding base ✅ and ❎ reactions to discord votes, because the very slight effort of trying to add your option when only the opposite one exists is oftentimes enough to make people not voice their opinion)
(leads to disproportionate "landslides" sometimes)
sand umbra
hmmmm
I just need a sufficient number of changes to yell about building up to the separation
but what are good candidates 
hollow shell
Well you did already make a suggestion about the Evil Island
... which didn't even get close to reaching the req so you can repost it
sand umbra
oh yeah pretty much my entire evil series got scammed
I need to. actually repost those
hollow shell
Did you make a suggestion about moving vanilla item recipes up a tier?
craggy stratus
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/757013051026309192 this sugg has reached 200 stars
hollow shell
Thanks ChadLad
craggy stratus
i am definitely not scrolling up to find sugg like this in online class
sand umbra
oh yeah I need to sugg the vanilla item recipes thing still I think
so many suggestions to make still, so little time
unreal viper
So little suggs day.
weak field
Who gives a shit about first boss in game
King slime lore does need a bit buff
Although for how easy this boss is, its lore probably shouldn't be viable
It's more like a "one more won't hurt" situation
hollow shell
m, I have found through rough in-game testing that the jump speed boost does absolutely nothing
weak field
Roundings probably
cobalt pewter
Yeah rounding
weak field
Thomas, many people hate the idea of that
sand umbra
it begins...
let's try this again, shall we?
weak field
Because they dont' want to use their brain
They don't want to use their brain to choose
cobalt pewter
I'd rather see KS lore with increased fall speed but
weak field
And they don't want to give up anything
cobalt pewter
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
sand umbra
boo hoo, you have to use your brain to play the video game
tawny garden
yes
weak field
Well I tried to explain this
But sadly it never worked
People always just end the conversation with that's a shit design
tawny garden
if someone can't use their brain, they should die, that's my world view
radiant meadow
Perfs and Hive Mind are already very different and have some different drops
cobalt pewter
Philo
unreal viper
Nurh
cobalt pewter
weak field
Then at least half of the people in this discord should die
radiant meadow
Most just use Wind Blade
unreal viper
I'd like them to have different stats and abilities
sand umbra
where did I say that Perfs and Hive Mind are not different 
like actually I'm confused
weak field
Maybe perfs weapon would have life steal and hive mind have debuff
But lifesteal op so maybe not
unreal viper
Differences between crimson and corruption make playhthroughs more distinct and interesting
sand umbra
the differences between the bosses was never mentioned in the sugg let alone the point
the point is that several weapon pairs are functionally and statistically identical between the bosses
unreal viper
Maybe like a plus 2 life regen buff or something instead of lifesteal
unreal viper
Palladium but yeah
violet dagger
:hyperevasion:
weak field
you get the idea
cobalt pewter
swift wharf
I do like the perf weapon suggestion
for hive theres a flamethrower and for perf theres the 'sniper'
weak field
But people think that it's a shit design
tawny garden
fuck those people
weak field
Because they think that gating items behind a choice and force people to play the game twice to use all items is shit
weak field
Because they 1. have no brains 2. is too lazy
sand umbra
nah
shit design is when you take two things that are fundamentally suppsoed to differ and make them virtually identical in 90% of cases and remove most of the pre-existing nuance to selecting one or the other
in my honest opinion, anyway. I know opinions are illegal but I wanted to present mine regardless
distant gyro
hiv doesn't have an associated debuff
weak field
God there's even people complaining about evil island too smol
distant gyro
perf does and it's not used
weak field
Maybe horror would work for hive mind
cobalt pewter
God there's even people complaining about evil island too smol
I did
distant gyro
(burning blooooooooood)
unreal viper
You can spread island easily
sand umbra
oh yeah when are Perfs weps getting Burning Blood procs damnit
swift wharf
yeah
weak field
But people is too lazy to do it sand
sand umbra
the boss inflicts the debuff, why can't the weapons
weak field
At least like, actually choose something
swift wharf
buff them in hm, give them lifesteal and ichor
weak field
Why not
sand umbra
"but Thomas what if it's--"
overpowered? sorry, that doesn't work with debuffs, because debuffs in Calamity legit do not matter 99% of the time
I can tell you with absolutely certainty that Burning Blood procs on Perfs weps will be fine
swift wharf
Tooth balls and Rot Balls are also different from each other
tawny garden
Ichor 
sand umbra
they're actually not, as far as I'm aware
distant gyro
tooth ball is summoned by old duke
craggy stratus
they are the same
distant gyro
craggy stratus
unreal viper
Marked and betsy's curse are also good but immunites
weak field
They're not actually different
sand umbra
they are identical
weak field
Besides maybe their texture
swift wharf
just noticed that Hive has one less weapon than Perf
weak field
I used shred in a few joke suggestions but honestly 750 dot won't do shit in a boss rush situation
cobalt pewter
Yeah debuffs don't matter because bosses, which is calam's focus, can be immune to a shit ton later in the game
sand umbra
pairs go
Perfect Dark == Vein Burster
Leeching Dagger == Bloody Rupture
Dank Staff ?= Blood Clot Staff (I don't actually know if these two have differences)
Rot Balls = Tooth Balls
cobalt pewter
But nothing is immune to shellfish claps because yes?
craggy stratus
ah, hive mind doesnt have yoyo
weak field
None of them are immune to shellfish clap
I wonder why
Who tf use shellfish on scal
sand umbra
Shadowdrop and Blood Bath are functionally similar but have differences
cobalt pewter
Hell, even many calam bosses are immune to Celled
Which is just post Cultist Shellfish Claps
sand umbra
and Shadethrower and Shaderain are unique to Hive Mind, while Aorta and Eviscerator are unique to Perfs
cobalt pewter
weak field
Here, dank staff and blood clot have identical stats
Both 10 dmg, 2.25 kb and 10 mana
sleek turret
shadowdrop has more projectiles but is slower, and bloodbath is the opposite of shadowdrop.
sand umbra
then yeah they're identical
weak field
But blood clot try to stay close to the player and I'm not sure about dank staff
swift wharf
shadowdrop has a more detailed description than blood bath lol
sand umbra
Aerialite stuff being straight better is kind of a meme
boss weps have rights to viability too you know
pine star
Lol
swift wharf
bosses more like kill4ore
distant gyro
boss weps are ethical dilemmas in terraria balancing
craggy stratus
boss weapons are supposed to be better than weapon crafted after its defeat, no?
distant gyro
no, that's the problem
distant gyro
terraria is balanced around the fact that you're going to pick up the weapon that boss just dropped
distant gyro
so it assumes that if plantera drops the grenade launcher, you're gonna use it instead of the shotbow
craggy stratus
communism in terraria
distant gyro
which, surprise surprise, you DON'T
swift wharf
and shotbow is pre plantera
weak field
In my mind they're supposed to be weaker than weapon crafted from its drop which is weaker than weapon dropped from enemies after the boss' defeat which is weaker than weapon crafted from ore
sand umbra
the immense diversity of ranged ammunition in Terraria, especially for arrows, means Shotbow can fill just about any niche you need it to
weak field
Why would anyone use the rocket launcher family
swift wharf
and then there is stuff like snowman cannon which isnt that hard to get
craggy stratus
if you are counting vanilla only
weak field
I think of all rocket launchers in 1.3, only snowman cannon is worth it
craggy stratus
snowman is quiet a challenge to get
weak field
celebration can go fuck itself
cobalt pewter
Though 1.4 would give way to custom rockets
weak field
Just change the computer date chad
cobalt pewter
So that oughta be fun
weak field
Seriously, why did they make celebration
distant gyro
running over bosses that actually have weapon drops in vanilla
queen bee - "optional boss", therefore her drops are actually kinda good
skeletron - bad, rng, outclassed pretty quickly, and one of them won't even be a weapon anymore
wof - only a precursor
plantera - you use these?
golem - you use these?
ml - depends
weak field
In 1.3
cobalt pewter
Ah yes
dapper coral
let's get back on topic, shall we
weak field
I just said that mate
swift wharf
party girl post golem
weak field
Who tf use bone glove
cobalt pewter
kek
weak field
Again we're talking about 1.3 here
craggy stratus
possessed hatchet is okay for cultist
weak field
Possessed hatchet is kinda good
craggy stratus
and the solar worm
weak field
For homing
dapper coral
this isn't gentalk
cobalt pewter
Possessed Hatchet is a good alternative to Paladin Hammer if you don't feel like aiming
dapper coral
you can talk about weapon choices somewhere else
swift wharf
kk
dapper coral
unless they're related to suggs
craggy stratus
aight so we agree on thomas sugg being good yes
weak field
What was the suggestion again
cobalt pewter
They kinda were
swift wharf
i feel like
craggy stratus
he should edit in dank staff and blood clot staff too
dapper coral
talking about celebration and possessed hatchet aren't exactly related to this sugg
swift wharf
most of perf/hive weapons are the same
cobalt pewter
Just boils down to thomas' evil island removal sugg
craggy stratus
hive mind doesnt have a yoyo
cobalt pewter
Is pretty gud
craggy stratus
but that is for another sugg
cobalt pewter
hive mind doesnt have a yoyo
Perf doesn't have a flamethrower
weak field
Yeah let's remove all evil alternative
swift wharf
but perf has a ranged gun
cobalt pewter
True
sand umbra
Hive Mind doesn't need a yo-yo and Perfs dont need a flamethrower
that diversity in weapons is a good thing
nuance based on choice of evil is a good thing
swift wharf
yeah
vanilla is centered around that kinda
excluding the stuff you can craft with evil bars
orb gear
sand umbra
vanilla takes that nuance and runs wild with it
swift wharf
theres the ball'o hurt and the crimson spear
sand umbra
even evil ore weps have notable difference to them by Terraria earlygame standards, being sizably statistically different
cobalt pewter
Yeah, though 1.4.1 is kinda leaning against it with starpower and panic interchangeable crafting
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
craggy stratus
sugg bot take 24 hours to put the sugg on the voting channel
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/748745964143247382 this sugg reached 200 stars
pine star
A bit more Borealis is fine
craggy stratus
dapper coral
delivering suggs to dev is manual, whenever someone gets around to it they'll do it
cobalt pewter
Ah yes, """Ancient""" Omega Blue armor
Speaking of omega blue
I wonder if suggesting a resprite because of mismatch would be fine
Because omega blue still uses old sprite for tentacles
dapper coral
that's fine, i think
cobalt pewter
And the difference is quite contrast, since omega blue no longer has yellow accents
dapper coral
it's not because of poor quality, just that it doesn't fit anymore
so it should be good
cobalt pewter
Alr
hollow shell
(delivered that one too ChadLad
will do the previous one now)
dry latch
about thomas's sugg, should the crimslime/corroslime staves be added there too? they're not perf/hive drops, but they do have the same problem of "1 weapon, 2 sprites"
hollow shell
Kinda?
Those're even weirder considering they're not even separated by world evil
They just both exist
simultaneously
dry latch
about thomas's sugg, should the crimslime/corroslime staves be added there too? they're not perf/hive drops, but they do have the same problem of "1 weapon, 2 sprites"
@sand umbra, in case you want to
sand umbra
SG drops aren't separated by world evil and aren't really relevant to the sugg
although now that you've reminded me of it, expect a suggestion about making those a little less completely identical (read: noticably distinct) sometime in the foreseeable future
dry latch
weak field
@odd oxide I think the lifesteal cooldown is put in there intentionally
Also, first scarlet devil is a dev item
Second it's post scal already, so it really won't be op
Your post's intention is to make lifesteal from other items more potent while nerfing scarlet devil
The first one probably won't happen since it's done intentionally
The second one might not happen because it's a donor weapon
whole sedge
Lifesteal got changed cause vanilla lifesteal kind of broke calamity iirc
weak field
It's not broke
It's just too op
It's changed to you can't do too much lifesteal to keep yourself alive longer than intended
I mean, just look at how broken vampire knife is
sturdy geyser
what
radiant meadow
hazmat suit and xenomorphic symbiote?
ashen lark
hazmat suit and xenomorphic symbiote?
@radiant meadow other mods
dapper coral
that doesn't seem like a good measurement then
dapper coral
calamity bosses should be taken into consideration only for calamity stuff
ashen lark
Hazmat is a redemption item, symbiote is from alchemist
radiant meadow
I gathered that much, but if you're suggesting to increase a boss' difficulty, it's best to not use other mod gear.
ashen lark
I gathered that much, but if you're suggesting to increase a boss' difficulty, it's best to not use other mod gear.
@radiant meadow I'm saying to buff the projectile count as there wasn't enough
Xenomorphic symbiote is meh
It's not too op but isn't up either
Gonna go make some good accessories now.
radiant meadow
Other mod gear definitely detracts from the suggestion regardless of what it is.
ashen lark
All the modded gear has no effect on projectiles, which is what my setup shows
radiant meadow
Then why are you even telling us your gear
That just muddies the suggestion with irrelevant information
tawny garden
also people might not know these items
ashen lark
No other modded gear.
And to show that I could have actual good accessories instead to further help dodging
radiant meadow
and it's normal mode?
tawny garden
No other modded gear.
"other modded gear" is everything that's not calamity
tawny garden
❗ is required imo
ashen lark
I'm just wondering one thing
Is cloneamitas meant to switch between 1 brimstone fireball + 3 lasers-> 1 brimstone fireball and 2 lasers later in the fight @tawny garden
ashen lark
That may be a bug...
sand umbra
what is this suggestion
(also you're playing in Normal Mode which Calamity kinda forgets the existence of 90% of the time)
tawny garden
calamity already forgetting about normal mode isn't a reason to further forget about normal mode
cause that's a self-fulfilling prophecy
radiant meadow
If it's self-fulfilling, then I don't have to worry about it.
copper turret
normal mode you can beat scal first try easily, play in expert mode for a better experience
dapper coral
this is for clone
copper turret
*with good gear, not the best gear, just good gear
yes, but still
normal mode is so easy because I always play in expert mode as the default. to be honest, my expert mode playthrough wasn't too hard either.
dapper coral
calamity is balanced around revengeance, after all
it would make sense that normal would be rather easy
copper turret
Which is why i'm playing rev now, it's just more fun than normal mode because normal is way too easy
sand umbra
yeah, Calamity is balanced around it's special above-Expert difficulty
so you can just sorta cyberbully every vanilla (and othermod, fun fact's) boss into nonexistence
tawny garden
if you want difficulty, play in death
sand umbra
if you want to enjoy playing the video game, do not play in Death
tawny garden
play in rev, if you don't want difficulty, but want to see something that is actually balanced
do nohits if you're a masochist
ashen warren
bad
unreal viper
Misi is a 🐵 🧠
dapper coral
this is not the right place for whatever convo is happening here
(actually, the convo shouldn't exist at all)
tawny garden
@odd oxide your title could be worded better
odd oxide
Ok
tawny garden
"Make Lifesteal more like Vanilla"
rose jewel
For the stack potions one isn’t it like the add infinite ammo types for everything