#suggestions-discussion

sinful steeple Sep 21, 2020, 1:37 AM

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And not only does it suck as wings but 10% damage only when wearing hydro armour isn't really great compared to a lot of other wings(for example demon wings, which although stink as wings give 10% damage and crit at all times)

unreal viper Sep 21, 2020, 1:51 AM

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5% damage now

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Lul.

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Fishron and exodus wings are literally the exact same.

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It would make the hovers more relevant for sure, but the other wings wouldn't really get anything.

cobalt pewter Sep 21, 2020, 1:53 AM

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Also I wonder what makes Hadarian's hover different to normal hover

unreal viper Sep 21, 2020, 1:53 AM

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Idk.

cobalt pewter Sep 21, 2020, 1:53 AM

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Because I literally never used it

unreal viper Sep 21, 2020, 1:54 AM

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Lemme try

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I noticed nothing different

cobalt pewter Sep 21, 2020, 2:04 AM

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Huh

sand umbra Sep 21, 2020, 2:08 AM

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Ah yes, I usually prefer to refer Aureus as "Oreos"

...I like this. I like you

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up until now I've been using "Aureus Borealis" or similar I think, either that or Crabulon But As A Mech Boss From Outer Space (or just Space Mech Crabulon)

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but Oreos is so much simpler and funnier

cobalt pewter Sep 21, 2020, 2:11 AM

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wegud

sleek hornet Sep 21, 2020, 2:33 AM

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I think mycelial claws is a bit weak in it's tier compared to mandible claws which can be obtained before any bosses, what do you think?

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I don't think it's 'bad' per se, it's good, but when compared with mandible claws, it's almost the same damage wise

dapper coral Sep 21, 2020, 2:38 AM

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ya got any dps tests to back that up?

cobalt pewter Sep 21, 2020, 2:39 AM

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Or killtime tests

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Kill time is probably more reliable by a bit

foggy plover Sep 21, 2020, 2:39 AM

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I think they quite literally have the same exact stats

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14 damage, 5 attack speed

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exact same

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mycelial is slightly larger I think is the only difference

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and a tiny bit more knockback

sleek hornet Sep 21, 2020, 2:40 AM

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ill do it soon hopefully, but looking at the stats its same except the knockback stat, 3,75 vs, 3,5

dapper coral Sep 21, 2020, 2:40 AM

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mm, knockback is slightly higher ye

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and of course rarity/sell price

sleek hornet Sep 21, 2020, 2:41 AM

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but knockback isnt really helpful in bossfight

unreal viper Sep 21, 2020, 2:43 AM

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Kill times tests aren’t needed here

sleek hornet Sep 21, 2020, 2:45 AM

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so just dps test?

dapper coral Sep 21, 2020, 2:47 AM

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in this case yeah

sand umbra Sep 21, 2020, 2:47 AM

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boss kill times are a terrible unit of measurement for Fetid knockoffs' balancing if you want my honest opinion

dapper coral Sep 21, 2020, 2:48 AM

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kill times are kinda ech for these, yeah

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because damage is so iffy

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and just

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very inconsistent

sand umbra Sep 21, 2020, 2:48 AM

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remember also that they have the range of a peanut

dapper coral Sep 21, 2020, 2:49 AM

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hence, iffy and inconsistent damage

sand umbra Sep 21, 2020, 2:49 AM

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yee

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such short-ranged weapons are most effective at dealing with normal enemies
I know that isn't what Calamity balances around but you literally can't balance Fetid or any similarly-functioning weps around bossfighting and have it be balanced to any respectable degree

dapper coral Sep 21, 2020, 2:50 AM

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i'm almost tempted to say dummy dps tests are better for them

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if purely just for the consistent dps

sand umbra Sep 21, 2020, 2:51 AM

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in honesty, it's one of the few cases where dummy DPS is reasonable to use as a frame of reference

unreal viper Sep 21, 2020, 2:51 AM

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Imo they suck against enemies

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Fetid and co are used to meme bosses

sand umbra Sep 21, 2020, 2:52 AM

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see I figure they're much better against normal enemies due to normal enemies not being the size of houses and also being able to take knockback generally speaking

dapper coral Sep 21, 2020, 2:52 AM

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i think that they're funny if you have knockback immunity

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otherwise meh

sand umbra Sep 21, 2020, 2:52 AM

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the quick hits combined with iirc relatively low knockback make for an easy way of combo-ing enemies

unreal viper Sep 21, 2020, 2:52 AM

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But you generally have way better ways of keeping enemies away

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Any doodles, not like normal enemies matter in calam

sand umbra Sep 21, 2020, 2:53 AM

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if you put it that way then you might as well not bother

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because quite literally any other weapon can outperform Fetid-style weps in the field of safety of use

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both on bosses and on normal enemies

sleek hornet Sep 21, 2020, 2:54 AM

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well i potsted this because im dong a true melee run, thus i find that those two weps pretty good as a true melee weapon, but then i realized that mycelial claw and mandible claws basically the same, despite the different tier

dapper coral Sep 21, 2020, 2:55 AM

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anyway, did you end up doing dps tests then?

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in this case it would better on a dummy

sleek hornet Sep 21, 2020, 2:55 AM

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ok, ill do it

unreal viper Sep 21, 2020, 2:55 AM

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Bruh

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That is stupid

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Do not do it

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They have the same stats

sand umbra Sep 21, 2020, 2:56 AM

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byeah there are no DPS tests that will help to prove the point

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you will get the same result on both weps

unreal viper Sep 21, 2020, 2:56 AM

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If anything the randomness of damage and crits will mess it up

sand umbra Sep 21, 2020, 2:56 AM

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they are statistically identical save for KB

unreal viper Sep 21, 2020, 2:56 AM

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And size right?

sand umbra Sep 21, 2020, 2:57 AM

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I...think Mycelial Claws are bigger too

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except...that doesn't mean a whole lot

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they're still super short-range

sleek hornet Sep 21, 2020, 2:59 AM

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yea when i look at the stat, there is no difference that will affect the dps

sand umbra Sep 21, 2020, 2:59 AM

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byeah I support the idea of making Mycelial Claws a bit
more of actually something

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and less just "Mandible Claws but fat"

unreal viper Sep 21, 2020, 3:00 AM

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So ja, nothing you need to do but make the sugg

sand umbra Sep 21, 2020, 3:00 AM

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toss a sugg into posting and let's see how long it takes for someone to bitch about worthless DPS tests

unreal viper Sep 21, 2020, 3:00 AM

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Muh kill times

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That’s why I do acc and armor Suggs

cobalt pewter Sep 21, 2020, 3:01 AM

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I would've sugged about nerfing Skyfin Bombers on stealth, but:

Stealth.
My kill times on ML with it was never recorded for some dumb reason by the checklist

sand umbra Sep 21, 2020, 3:02 AM

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congrats, you've discovered why overriding PreNPCLoot on ML is a meme

dapper coral Sep 21, 2020, 3:02 AM

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checklist is iffy

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exdee

sand umbra Sep 21, 2020, 3:02 AM

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no that's not Checklist's fault

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it's the same reason you can't get GalactiGlobe in Maso if you're also in Rev+

unreal viper Sep 21, 2020, 3:04 AM

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Wait

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I can do lore Suggs

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That reminded me of moon lords lore

sand umbra Sep 21, 2020, 3:04 AM

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for some god-forsaken reason, ML's death anim is handled in the NPCLoot set of methods, and so you can't edit it in AI
returning PreNPCLoot false on ML is the only way to get around this
however, doing so cucks all normal drops and prevents anything else that would normally happen within NPCLoot's boundaries unless you specifically program them to happen

unreal viper Sep 21, 2020, 3:04 AM

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Very epic

cobalt pewter Sep 21, 2020, 3:04 AM

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Huh

sand umbra Sep 21, 2020, 3:04 AM

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it's why Rev+ nukes Galactic (and previously, Lunar Crystals) and fucks up Checklist for ML

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in short: this is a Calamity-side issue and is not the fault of the other mods

dapper coral Sep 21, 2020, 3:05 AM

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well, checklist is also just buggy in general

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the book specifically

cobalt pewter Sep 21, 2020, 3:05 AM

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Is this because of the eyes not detaching? Hence why the adjusted death anim?

sand umbra Sep 21, 2020, 3:06 AM

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not recording kill times is not a common bug as far as I'm aware
it happens almost exclusively due to user error

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the whole PreNPCLoot bullshit is not a thing exclusive to ML, it works that way for anything you return PreNPCLoot false on

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"Thomas how do you know that"
because I've done it myself, I used to return PreNPCLoot false on several vanilla bosses and a bunch of vanilla enemies so that I could more directly control what they dropped/unlocked but then I learned that fucks up a lot of stuff, because it turns out overriding a method without knowing what you're doing with it can be a bad idea

unreal viper Sep 21, 2020, 3:08 AM

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Nobody would have questioned that you knew that Thomas.

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taxevasion

sand umbra Sep 21, 2020, 3:09 AM

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the point to be drawn from this is that it's not an issue on Checklist's side, it's an issue that stems from Calamity's way of handling ML

tl;dr of tl;dr: ML is a fuck

cobalt pewter Sep 21, 2020, 3:10 AM

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td;dr of tl;dr: ML is a fuck
In lots, lots of aspects

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CompleteFailure

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I think Infernum ML might be one of the only acceptable MLs

sand umbra Sep 21, 2020, 3:10 AM

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Infernum ML is good

unreal viper Sep 21, 2020, 3:10 AM

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Moon lord bad

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Now we go back on topic

dapper coral Sep 21, 2020, 3:11 AM

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mm

sand umbra Sep 21, 2020, 3:11 AM

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but I meant like in terms of code
he is. a complete mess

anywho yeah I've rambled away from the sugg at hand long enough

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Mycelial Claws buff good yes wegud

cobalt pewter Sep 21, 2020, 3:13 AM

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Yessirree to that one

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I might make a follow-up sugg about retiering Hadarian to post-Oreos later

rose jewel Sep 21, 2020, 3:15 AM

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I always thought golem lore was just a useful lore thing

unreal viper Sep 21, 2020, 3:15 AM

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It is not unfortunately

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I thought it was somewhat useful

rose jewel Sep 21, 2020, 3:16 AM

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I mean no downsides

unreal viper Sep 21, 2020, 3:16 AM

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But you have to stop moving and attacking

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To get the benefit

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So nah

sand umbra Sep 21, 2020, 3:16 AM

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wait, Golem lore defense doesn't apply while attacking?

rose jewel Sep 21, 2020, 3:16 AM

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Yeah it’s not for boss fights but outside that it’s good

dapper coral Sep 21, 2020, 3:16 AM

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plus isn't 10 defense like -5dmg only

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that's not great

sand umbra Sep 21, 2020, 3:17 AM

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this is the part where I make a Trinket of Chi joke

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because at that point it's just Trinket of Chi 2
the effect is cool but it's too situational to be worthwhile at all

unreal viper Sep 21, 2020, 3:17 AM

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Chi has its uses

sand umbra Sep 21, 2020, 3:18 AM

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does it

rose jewel Sep 21, 2020, 3:18 AM

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I just keep it I think it’s cool cause it has no downsides

unreal viper Sep 21, 2020, 3:18 AM

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Yes it does

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I will tell one of them

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Spikecrag memes

cobalt pewter Sep 21, 2020, 3:18 AM

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At this point everything that requires you to be standing still (aside from Camper ig) should just be reworked to be based off velocity tbh

sand umbra Sep 21, 2020, 3:18 AM

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oh yeah it does things for summoner

cobalt pewter Sep 21, 2020, 3:18 AM

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But what do I know LeviKek

sand umbra Sep 21, 2020, 3:18 AM

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except even then it's barely useful at all

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you know why?

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because summoner is made of fucking paper

unreal viper Sep 21, 2020, 3:19 AM

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I mean

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Not necessarily

sand umbra Sep 21, 2020, 3:19 AM

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on top of the immense power Calamity everything has to kill you with, summoner builds for most of the game are made of paper and tape

unreal viper Sep 21, 2020, 3:19 AM

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Summoner has big boi chunky armors

rose jewel Sep 21, 2020, 3:19 AM

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that’s why 10 defense helps it more

cobalt pewter Sep 21, 2020, 3:19 AM

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The defense problem with golem lore is also the (opposite) case with cryo lore

sand umbra Sep 21, 2020, 3:19 AM

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like. you're going to fucking die anyway

cobalt pewter Sep 21, 2020, 3:20 AM

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Where a minor defense reduction isn't enough to keep the lore away from being meta

unreal viper Sep 21, 2020, 3:20 AM

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That’s why I said spikecrag

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Because it melts

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There is another use but it’s secret

sand umbra Sep 21, 2020, 3:20 AM

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even Spikecrag can't melt that fast

unreal viper Sep 21, 2020, 3:20 AM

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Are you sure?

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I think it can, especially if you commit to it

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Speaking of cryo lore

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It was nerfed in some way

rose jewel Sep 21, 2020, 3:21 AM

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Wait it was nerfed

foggy plover Sep 21, 2020, 3:21 AM

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dash delay was made longer

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spikecrag also got nerfed

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if you werent aware

unreal viper Sep 21, 2020, 3:21 AM

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What does that mean

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Again?

foggy plover Sep 21, 2020, 3:22 AM

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basically theres a longer delay between dashing

unreal viper Sep 21, 2020, 3:22 AM

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Ah okay

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Is it longer than its competition?

foggy plover Sep 21, 2020, 3:22 AM

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I think so, it may have also gotten a tiny distance nerf

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not sure

unreal viper Sep 21, 2020, 3:23 AM

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So it’s not too much worse

foggy plover Sep 21, 2020, 3:23 AM

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nop

unreal viper Sep 21, 2020, 3:23 AM

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I feel like it’s less meta cause scarf tbh.

hollow shell Sep 21, 2020, 5:13 AM

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Wow, I didn't know Golem lore sucked that bad
I thought you were allowed to attack, you just needed to stand still

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nah, you really can't use items

unreal viper Sep 21, 2020, 5:13 AM

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Lul

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Even if you’re facetank it’s useless

sinful steeple Sep 21, 2020, 5:13 AM

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Golem lore also would only reduce damage taken by 7

unreal viper Sep 21, 2020, 5:13 AM

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Shiny stone is good cause you can recover with it out of combat

sinful steeple Sep 21, 2020, 5:14 AM

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You're better off dodging even if you're a tank

sand umbra Sep 21, 2020, 5:14 AM

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bruh moment

unreal viper Sep 21, 2020, 5:14 AM

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This misses what makes shiny stone useful

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If you’re facetsnking it’s still useless cause you have to attack to hurts things and for lifesteal

sinful steeple Sep 21, 2020, 5:15 AM

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Honestly the lores that change defence change it way too little(even if Cryo lore's dash sucked a dash is a dash and 7 extra damage from 10 less defence is still too weak a penalty for example)

unreal viper Sep 21, 2020, 5:19 AM

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Change desert scourge lore to have more use.

The desert scourge lore is very limited in its effect and when the effect is active. It gives 5 def but 2.5% less damage in the underground desert. This limits its use a good bit, since you really only go to the underground desert for the sunken sea and hardmide stuff. Even when you’re doing that, the lore has such a small effect that you’ll probably not even notice.

sand umbra Sep 21, 2020, 5:22 AM

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~~wrong channel question mark?~~

unreal viper Sep 21, 2020, 5:23 AM

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Nah.

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I want to be more strategic about sugg posting.

hollow shell Sep 21, 2020, 5:24 AM

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eh
I feel like 5 defense from the first boss is appropriate for a lore item

unreal viper Sep 21, 2020, 5:25 AM

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Ig Sox

distant gyro Sep 21, 2020, 5:25 AM

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you can't change what you already don't have

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from your suggestion it's as easy to throw the blame at the desert's lack of content

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which is indeed true

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HDfailure

unreal viper Sep 21, 2020, 5:26 AM

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The lore could not be limited to the desert

hollow shell Sep 21, 2020, 5:26 AM

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I mean, 1.4 helps with that
in two factors

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Gives underground desert more loot and makes it more dangerous pre-boss

distant gyro Sep 21, 2020, 5:26 AM

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mmmm myes cactus bol

sleek turret Sep 21, 2020, 5:27 AM

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its sprite induces nightmares.

wanton snow Sep 21, 2020, 11:04 AM

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Golem lore simply can increase life regen

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Why not?

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Like +3 life regen and +20 mad life

cobalt pewter Sep 21, 2020, 11:07 AM

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Lores usually have drawbacks

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Aside from grab range ones

radiant meadow Sep 21, 2020, 11:10 AM

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Why not is pretty terrible reasoning

rose jewel Sep 21, 2020, 1:33 PM

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I know it’s a repost but it hasn’t been posted in over a week

cobalt pewter Sep 21, 2020, 1:34 PM

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Mk

zenith hazel Sep 21, 2020, 1:35 PM

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istg this has been suggested like 10 times this month

rose jewel Sep 21, 2020, 1:36 PM

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Really I’ve only counted 3

radiant meadow Sep 21, 2020, 1:36 PM

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I think that's a hyperbole

rose jewel Sep 21, 2020, 1:37 PM

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Yeah I figured

heady storm Sep 21, 2020, 1:37 PM

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Wait for real? I knew Demik suggested something similar, but others too?

cobalt pewter Sep 21, 2020, 1:37 PM

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Yeah p sure only 3 brav

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Well give or take 2 but yech

tawny garden Sep 21, 2020, 1:37 PM

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ye Catsrule sugged it

radiant meadow Sep 21, 2020, 1:37 PM

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Exaggeration for dramatic effect

tawny garden Sep 21, 2020, 1:37 PM

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TheViralMelon sugged it

rose jewel Sep 21, 2020, 1:38 PM

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I’m only referring to the after bullet phases types not the other aspects of the fight

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Then there has been 3

dense ferry Sep 21, 2020, 1:39 PM

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I saw quite some people saying that this is really shitty too, and since there has been three suggs about this

noble turret Sep 21, 2020, 1:53 PM

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why would the mycieial claws get a buff they melt every boss in prehardmode

sinful steeple Sep 21, 2020, 2:00 PM

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Instead of mycelial claws getting a buff antlion claws should probs get a nerf

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I mean can't you facetank DS with that thing

ashen warren Sep 21, 2020, 2:40 PM

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scal charging right after a bh phase can be really annoying yes but even outside of bh phases she can cheap shot you sometimes, perhaps a slight pause before she charges?

sand umbra Sep 21, 2020, 3:17 PM

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Instead of mycelial claws getting a buff antlion claws should probs get a nerf
I mean can't you facetank DS with that thing

iirc you can facetank DS with any melee wep worth its salt but I digress

tawny garden Sep 21, 2020, 3:38 PM

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you can facetank DS without a weapon

sand umbra Sep 21, 2020, 3:41 PM

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byeah

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HDfailure

hollow shell Sep 21, 2020, 4:02 PM

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@ashen warren Parts of your suggestion are too specific, you shouldn't give exact names or exact numeric values in your suggestion

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You also need to add a reason to your suggestion

tawny garden Sep 21, 2020, 4:03 PM

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also seems too hard to balance

ashen warren Sep 21, 2020, 4:08 PM

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@hollow shell i already did, its because after 400 hp (and 500) life crystals and life fruits are useless

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and i suggest there be a potion

sturdy geyser Sep 21, 2020, 4:09 PM

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things outliving their usefullness happens, and is inevitable

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no reason to drag things from the grave

ashen warren Sep 21, 2020, 4:10 PM

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i mean it'd be kinda cool to have a potion that restore syou to full hp

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restores you*

tawny garden Sep 21, 2020, 4:10 PM

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"kinda cool" isn't a substantial reason

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checkpins

ashen warren Sep 21, 2020, 4:10 PM

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i already said thats not the reason

sturdy geyser Sep 21, 2020, 4:10 PM

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it sounds very op even with a long cooldown

ashen warren Sep 21, 2020, 4:10 PM

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the reason is that life crystals and life fruits are useless after a certain point

sturdy geyser Sep 21, 2020, 4:11 PM

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yes thats how things work

tawny garden Sep 21, 2020, 4:11 PM

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well, that alone doesn't justify why this potion needs to exist

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it will be for "Add a usecase to Life Fruit"

hollow shell Sep 21, 2020, 4:12 PM

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I see, yes there is a reason in there
Usually reasons are placed at the bottom so I missed it

cobalt pewter Sep 21, 2020, 4:12 PM

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GWeniPopcorn

ashen warren Sep 21, 2020, 4:12 PM

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another reason is that im pretty sure other than a few accessories that are hard to get, there arent very good healing potions and i've seen alot of people use greater healing potions, why not add this to make their life easier

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it should be nerfed in rev and death though since apparently its "too op"

hollow shell Sep 21, 2020, 4:12 PM

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... wait

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accessories?

ashen warren Sep 21, 2020, 4:13 PM

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there are accessories that have life regen

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im pretty sure

hollow shell Sep 21, 2020, 4:13 PM

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Okay

sturdy geyser Sep 21, 2020, 4:13 PM

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yeah but what does that have to do with the suggestion

tawny garden Sep 21, 2020, 4:13 PM

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accessories != healing potions

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HDfailure

cobalt pewter Sep 21, 2020, 4:13 PM

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Have you ever uh, played the mod throughout? Just curious

hollow shell Sep 21, 2020, 4:13 PM

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Health potions are indeed more instantaneous and reliable than life regen

cobalt pewter Sep 21, 2020, 4:14 PM

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Because from what I seen, the sugg is rather specific and broken at the same time

distant gyro Sep 21, 2020, 4:14 PM

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and they aren't disabled when you are debuffed

sturdy geyser Sep 21, 2020, 4:14 PM

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healing potions are already quite good tbh

cobalt pewter Sep 21, 2020, 4:14 PM

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Specific names, stats, and basically broken stuff

ashen warren Sep 21, 2020, 4:14 PM

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@distant gyro the debuff means you cant use either

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its like potion sickness

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but longer

hollow shell Sep 21, 2020, 4:14 PM

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(You do still need to reduce the specificity in your suggestion, Arus
This will also fix people's complaints about balance)

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(if you remove the exact numbers)

tawny garden Sep 21, 2020, 4:14 PM

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I advise you to read the doc in the pins btw

distant gyro Sep 21, 2020, 4:14 PM

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potion sickness is the only debuff that directly cripples potion usage

cobalt pewter Sep 21, 2020, 4:14 PM

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And there's no proper point of suggesting this imo

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Healing potions are strong

distant gyro Sep 21, 2020, 4:15 PM

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any DoT will set your positive natural regen to 0 (+ bleeding)

hollow shell Sep 21, 2020, 4:15 PM

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Also @short merlin You need to add a reason to your suggestion.
And it better be a good reason cuz I don't know what the heck your suggestion even is

tawny garden Sep 21, 2020, 4:15 PM

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also rover

sturdy geyser Sep 21, 2020, 4:15 PM

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x thing becoming useless after a certain point isn't a very good reason

tawny garden Sep 21, 2020, 4:15 PM

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exclamate both

hollow shell Sep 21, 2020, 4:15 PM

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indeed

cobalt pewter Sep 21, 2020, 4:15 PM

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It's how the game is designed

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Not even the mod Calamity

ashen warren Sep 21, 2020, 4:16 PM

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is this better

cobalt pewter Sep 21, 2020, 4:16 PM

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The fact that something becomes useless after a certain point is the entirety of vanilla's basic design

ashen warren Sep 21, 2020, 4:16 PM

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this is not vanilla though

distant gyro Sep 21, 2020, 4:16 PM

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no need for the bottom sentence

tawny garden Sep 21, 2020, 4:16 PM

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'Removed some "exact things" because people were complaining.' isn't needed as well

hollow shell Sep 21, 2020, 4:16 PM

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That is better

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.. well

cobalt pewter Sep 21, 2020, 4:17 PM

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That bottom line is definitely not needed

ashen warren Sep 21, 2020, 4:17 PM

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k

sturdy geyser Sep 21, 2020, 4:17 PM

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things becoming useless after a certain point is kinda how things go in games in general

ashen warren Sep 21, 2020, 4:17 PM

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better???

hollow shell Sep 21, 2020, 4:17 PM

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Better yes

tawny garden Sep 21, 2020, 4:18 PM

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the balancing aspect is still there though

hollow shell Sep 21, 2020, 4:18 PM

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Could still be improved a bit more
Like, Heart Lanterns are a usage for Life Crystals after getting max HP

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You could mention them in your reasoning, something about how they aren't enough for some reason

cobalt pewter Sep 21, 2020, 4:18 PM

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I personally would make a regen furniture upgrades based off life fruits yeh

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Or calam's health powerups

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But that's aside the point

ashen warren Sep 21, 2020, 4:20 PM

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well i'll delete the suggestion since it sucks

hollow shell Sep 21, 2020, 4:21 PM

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Okay, if you want to.

ashen warren Sep 21, 2020, 4:21 PM

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im not good with english so i dont know how to do that reason very well

hollow shell Sep 21, 2020, 4:21 PM

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Alright

ashen warren Sep 21, 2020, 4:22 PM

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i actually dont want to delete it but i dont know how to fix it 😭

craggy stratus Sep 21, 2020, 4:24 PM

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i dont understand Poisunousp's suggestion

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is the suggestion about increasing the player regen during BH phase, or reducing it

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ah, thats look better

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i dont remember if scal fight actually reduce the player regen to 0 or not

short merlin Sep 21, 2020, 4:27 PM

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Increase it a bit when scale is immune

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I edited my post again

hollow shell Sep 21, 2020, 4:28 PM

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I also don't know if the fight reduces the player's regen passively

craggy stratus Sep 21, 2020, 4:29 PM

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i think you mistaken with the silva and godslayer's revive

short merlin Sep 21, 2020, 4:29 PM

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Ohhh

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My bad

hollow shell Sep 21, 2020, 4:29 PM

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"Many regeneration effects such as regular health regen or hearts (such as from Heart Statues) are weaker, making it harder to recover health. This partially forces the player to take as few hits as possible."
This is on SCal's page

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I will try to fact check this and make sure it's still correct

short merlin Sep 21, 2020, 4:29 PM

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Nvm me

craggy stratus Sep 21, 2020, 4:29 PM

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not silva, but godslayer has it

short merlin Sep 21, 2020, 4:29 PM

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Scals hits are so instantaneous

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I don't know if I'm getting revived or not

hollow shell Sep 21, 2020, 4:30 PM

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The sound cues help

wooden wedge Sep 21, 2020, 4:31 PM

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were heart lanterns mentioned for the newest sugg

short merlin Sep 21, 2020, 4:31 PM

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I really need to prepare mentally for scale fight

tawny garden Sep 21, 2020, 4:32 PM

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were heart lanterns mentioned for the newest sugg
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/465195069406707722/757636832350437518

wooden wedge Sep 21, 2020, 4:32 PM

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ok good

short merlin Sep 21, 2020, 4:39 PM

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More ranger weapons at endgame

hollow shell Sep 21, 2020, 4:41 PM

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Alright I think I fact-checked thoroughly enough and found that note on SCal's page was wrong; she does not affect your life regen at all, just the healing pick-up hearts.
Fixed the page.

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Also if by "endgame" you mean "post-SCal" then I'm afraid you're outta luck
That tier is for dev items, which you can't suggest

If you mean Auric/Exo tier then I just disagree, cuz you got Gale and Photo and Magnomaly and Drata and Tyranny's End and Pulse Rifle (which can also be used for the Boss Rush)

sleek turret Sep 21, 2020, 4:44 PM

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yeah

cobalt pewter Sep 21, 2020, 4:44 PM

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Also also rogue and summoner have WAY LESS shit in auric/exo

sleek turret Sep 21, 2020, 4:44 PM

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Pulse Rifle too.

cobalt pewter Sep 21, 2020, 4:44 PM

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I'd rather add stuff for them

hollow shell Sep 21, 2020, 4:44 PM

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(added Pulse Rifle)

sleek turret Sep 21, 2020, 4:45 PM

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wegud

hollow shell Sep 21, 2020, 4:45 PM

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@short merlin What about https://calamitymod.gamepedia.com/Elysian_Guard ?

Calamity Mod Wiki

Elysian Guard

Elysian Guard is a buff applied to the player when they press the Elysian Guard key while either the Elysian Aegis or Asgardian Aegis is equipped. It reduces movement speed by 15%, acceleration by 50% and increases enemy aggro up to 1,100, but increases all damage by 15%, all ...

short merlin Sep 21, 2020, 4:45 PM

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Maybe guns?

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More guns

cobalt pewter Sep 21, 2020, 4:45 PM

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Can't you toggle that with Asgardian Aegis

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The buff

hollow shell Sep 21, 2020, 4:45 PM

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Yes

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Post-SCal has many guns
Auric tier has a representative super-gun like all other subclasses get

distant gyro Sep 21, 2020, 4:46 PM

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isn't the whole reason drew's wings is allowed to be next to celestial tracers to be a choice thing

cobalt pewter Sep 21, 2020, 4:46 PM

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Yeah then slowing down should be viable on scal at the cost of a buff slot

hollow shell Sep 21, 2020, 4:46 PM

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Drew's and Celestial aren't that different actually

short merlin Sep 21, 2020, 4:46 PM

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But what if I don't want Asgardian aeigis because I want another accessory

hollow shell Sep 21, 2020, 4:46 PM

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like they're very similar

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Also that's just your fault then Poisun, lol

short merlin Sep 21, 2020, 4:46 PM

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Does it take a lot of work to code the tweak of speed?

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Oh ok

hollow shell Sep 21, 2020, 4:46 PM

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We provide you the option and you're choosing not to use it

short merlin Sep 21, 2020, 4:46 PM

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I need to learn to be fast

distant gyro Sep 21, 2020, 4:46 PM

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You can ""downgrade"" horizontal speed in return for more flight time

cobalt pewter Sep 21, 2020, 4:47 PM

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BanHammer

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Anyway

distant gyro Sep 21, 2020, 4:47 PM

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they are fast if you hold long enough to over-accelerate

cobalt pewter Sep 21, 2020, 4:48 PM

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Tyranny's End and Pulse Rifle are guns, no?

hollow shell Sep 21, 2020, 4:48 PM

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@distant gyro https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/465195069406707722/749447471754903552

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Pulse Rifle is not a "gun", no. Doesn't consume bullets

cobalt pewter Sep 21, 2020, 4:48 PM

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Oh ye

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I guess that makes sense

sleek turret Sep 21, 2020, 4:48 PM

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Its a rifle.

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Laser rifle.

short merlin Sep 21, 2020, 4:48 PM

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Like a gun that shoots many bullets

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I know we have void dragon and

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Soma prime

distant gyro Sep 21, 2020, 4:48 PM

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you see, that's exactly where the difference does and doesn't lie

hollow shell Sep 21, 2020, 4:48 PM

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(check out Svantechnical)

distant gyro Sep 21, 2020, 4:49 PM

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celestial tracers further increases acceleration = less control

tawny garden Sep 21, 2020, 4:49 PM

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(~~no that's not what we use~~)

cobalt pewter Sep 21, 2020, 4:49 PM

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~~Getting a lil offtopic here, but is it just me or are the post scal guns kinda, idk, lame?~~

hollow shell Sep 21, 2020, 4:49 PM

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(Most guns throughout the game are lame)

distant gyro Sep 21, 2020, 4:49 PM

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HDfailure

hollow shell Sep 21, 2020, 4:49 PM

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(Hopefully this will get resolved in the future but don't count on it)

short merlin Sep 21, 2020, 4:49 PM

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sad gun noises

tawny garden Sep 21, 2020, 4:49 PM

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several people are typing

cobalt pewter Sep 21, 2020, 4:49 PM

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~~fair, drata is king anyways~~

tawny garden Sep 21, 2020, 4:49 PM

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HyperFailure

distant gyro Sep 21, 2020, 4:49 PM

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there are 2 types of devs

hollow shell Sep 21, 2020, 4:50 PM

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Also I don't think Celestial Tracers boost acceleration in the air

distant gyro Sep 21, 2020, 4:50 PM

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oversimplify or overcomplicate

hollow shell Sep 21, 2020, 4:50 PM

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They allow for running, yes, but that's it

distant gyro Sep 21, 2020, 4:50 PM

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It's notably faster in-game

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,for reasons

rose jewel Sep 21, 2020, 5:16 PM

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Doesn’t asgardian aegis let you slow down and give you damage

hollow shell Sep 21, 2020, 5:17 PM

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Yes

dapper coral Sep 21, 2020, 5:17 PM

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it does

hollow shell Sep 21, 2020, 5:17 PM

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And Altix checked in-game and Drew's Wings does indeed have lesser horizontal acceleration than Celestial Tracers

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so it's better for SCal

unreal viper Sep 21, 2020, 5:20 PM

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Bruh

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Wiki needs some changing ig

distant gyro Sep 21, 2020, 5:20 PM

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arguably, at least HDfailure

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There is a portion of people who just want to ram past all the projectiles at lightspeed for reasons I can't interpret.

dapper coral Sep 21, 2020, 5:25 PM

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:fear:

whole sedge Sep 21, 2020, 5:30 PM

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~~i am speed~~

hollow shell Sep 21, 2020, 5:41 PM

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(I updated both their pages)

tawny garden Sep 21, 2020, 6:10 PM

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no

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checkpins

sturdy geyser Sep 21, 2020, 6:15 PM

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god

sleek turret Sep 21, 2020, 6:17 PM

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~~panic attack v2~~

sand umbra Sep 21, 2020, 6:19 PM

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that is. an enormous gun.

gray nebula Sep 21, 2020, 6:20 PM

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chonker

unreal viper Sep 21, 2020, 6:20 PM

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Yeah

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Quite the gun

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This reminds me

violet dagger Sep 21, 2020, 6:23 PM

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Ultimate don't Sugg HahaYes

boreal prairie Sep 21, 2020, 6:23 PM

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gonna take it down

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didnt read the pins : (

gusty geode Sep 21, 2020, 7:25 PM

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I'm sorry, that's a thing you can do?

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The heart exploit

frail mantle Sep 21, 2020, 7:25 PM

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@zenith hazel kill

sleek turret Sep 21, 2020, 7:26 PM

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Kill it.

dapper coral Sep 21, 2020, 7:27 PM

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i got it

frail mantle Sep 21, 2020, 7:27 PM

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thank

radiant meadow Sep 21, 2020, 7:39 PM

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Polterghast is meant to be a stronger boss than Providence.

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Weapons that are good against Prov won't necessarily be stronger against Polter.

hollow shell Sep 21, 2020, 7:40 PM

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Polterghast is indeed a tier above Providence, Ele Axe is expected to be worse against it

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~~Specific resistances/vulnerabilities notwithstanding~~

radiant meadow Sep 21, 2020, 7:40 PM

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~~Elemental Axes are dumb~~

copper turret Sep 21, 2020, 7:40 PM

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But i feel that somebodys gonna be like wow this is so good ima just go for another boss and get destroyed by it and then hes like, "why did i do so good against the rock butterfly"

radiant meadow Sep 21, 2020, 7:40 PM

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~~and literally every weapon in the game~~

hollow shell Sep 21, 2020, 7:41 PM

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You said it's good against Signus tho

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(Guardians too but they're pre-Prov)

copper turret Sep 21, 2020, 7:41 PM

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Well, you could use it against signus because it doesn't move very fast in its 1st and 2nd phases

hollow shell Sep 21, 2020, 7:42 PM

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Ele Axe is a post-ML pre-boss craft
Polterghast is Post-Providence in tier

You're expected to use summons like Dazzling Stabber, Cosmilamp, Snake Eyes, or Dragonblood Disgorder against Polter

copper turret Sep 21, 2020, 7:43 PM

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Ok, i'm gonna remove the signus part and replace it with something else

hollow shell Sep 21, 2020, 7:43 PM

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thas not the point

copper turret Sep 21, 2020, 7:44 PM

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I know that Elemental Axe is not in the tier that Polterghast is but somebody will think the elemental axe will do so well against Providence he could take on another boss with it

hollow shell Sep 21, 2020, 7:44 PM

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Providence has a vulnerability to axes to make the axes equal to other summon weapons
Once you kill Providence, you gain access to four new summon weapons to use against Polterghast

sand umbra Sep 21, 2020, 7:44 PM

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axes being good aganist Signus is not surprising, tbh

hollow shell Sep 21, 2020, 7:44 PM

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Ya shouldn't expect Axes to be good against Polter considering you get it earlier and there are other better options you gain access to after Prov

sand umbra Sep 21, 2020, 7:44 PM

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you have lamps on Polter

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use them

copper turret Sep 21, 2020, 7:45 PM

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true

sand umbra Sep 21, 2020, 7:45 PM

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lamps are god iirc

unreal viper Sep 21, 2020, 7:45 PM

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Lamps are better axes

copper turret Sep 21, 2020, 7:46 PM

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they're like a different sprite and weapon but similar idea

rose jewel Sep 21, 2020, 8:08 PM

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The problem is you could use axes against polterghast

craggy stratus Sep 21, 2020, 8:15 PM

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how is that a problem

hollow shell Sep 21, 2020, 8:17 PM

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~~Is that a point for or against Spectral's sugg?~~

tawny garden Sep 21, 2020, 8:17 PM

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~~lol~~

unreal viper Sep 21, 2020, 8:18 PM

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Tbh

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Why does axe do more damage to provi?

hollow shell Sep 21, 2020, 8:18 PM

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Balance sometimes requires specific resistances or vulnerabilities

unreal viper Sep 21, 2020, 8:18 PM

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That’s like the main thing you fight with it

hollow shell Sep 21, 2020, 8:19 PM

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simply because of how boss AIs function versus the item you're using against them

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I dislike it but it needs to happen on occasion

whole sedge Sep 21, 2020, 8:19 PM

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Yeah balance reasons even if it makes no sense and is a pretty makeshift way to do it sometimes

hollow shell Sep 21, 2020, 8:19 PM

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Cuz if you just buff Axes with +50% damage
then it's balanced for Prov but way too good against everything else

left crest Sep 21, 2020, 10:57 PM

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it's kinda like nerfing piercing weapons against worm/multipart bosses

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just because of how the bossfight works, some weapons are better than others

cobalt pewter Sep 22, 2020, 1:53 AM

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Isn't the point of Galactica Singularity is purely to reduce clutter with adding all 4 fragments into recipes?

radiant meadow Sep 22, 2020, 1:53 AM

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I thought Terratomere also used galactic singularities

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~~does it not?~~

ashen warren Sep 22, 2020, 1:54 AM

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no

cobalt pewter Sep 22, 2020, 1:55 AM

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Terratomere doesn't need Singularities yes

whole sedge Sep 22, 2020, 1:56 AM

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terratomere only needs astral bars yeah

hollow shell Sep 22, 2020, 1:57 AM

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You got quite a sequence of events laid out here

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Is the health of profaned enemies really that relevant to the core suggestion?

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Seems like it could easily be separate

whole sedge Sep 22, 2020, 1:58 AM

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yeah doesn't seem that needed to me Shrug_DRGN

radiant meadow Sep 22, 2020, 1:59 AM

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It's two loosely related suggestions that are better off separated, ye

hollow shell Sep 22, 2020, 2:01 AM

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@mighty knot

mighty knot Sep 22, 2020, 2:02 AM

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well, I mean

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I guess I could see that, yeah

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but that would mean the one about the astral beacon and whatever the second one is called would rely on the first

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'cause otherwise it has no reason at all

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I'll just take out of the title

dapper coral Sep 22, 2020, 2:03 AM

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yeah these can def be split

mighty knot Sep 22, 2020, 2:04 AM

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hm

radiant meadow Sep 22, 2020, 2:04 AM

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I think each could have enough substance to stand on their own.

mighty knot Sep 22, 2020, 2:04 AM

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aight

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how's that

violet dagger Sep 22, 2020, 2:13 AM

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I think the profaned essence sugg would be a problem

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because some pre ml stuff uses it

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like the astral beacon

cobalt pewter Sep 22, 2020, 2:14 AM

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It's mentioned there

dapper coral Sep 22, 2020, 2:14 AM

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well they said that the recipe could be altered

violet dagger Sep 22, 2020, 2:14 AM

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oh i forgot about that

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waitaminute

cobalt pewter Sep 22, 2020, 2:14 AM

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But imo the point of GS is that they're just combinations of fragments

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Adding Unholy Essence doesn't really clip with me idk

mighty knot Sep 22, 2020, 2:14 AM

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well, it's much simpler than adding profaned essence to everything

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wait it's called unholy essence I am mentally stupid

cobalt pewter Sep 22, 2020, 2:15 AM

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It's cool

distant gyro Sep 22, 2020, 2:15 AM

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how does unholy fit into space

cobalt pewter Sep 22, 2020, 2:15 AM

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Exactly my point

mighty knot Sep 22, 2020, 2:15 AM

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beats me

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I guess they could be rebranded or something

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but galactica singularities are only really there so the recipes are shorter

distant gyro Sep 22, 2020, 2:17 AM

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also isn't the whole point of calming peace zen tranquil to prevent 40% of arena building from being just enemies

mighty knot Sep 22, 2020, 2:18 AM

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well, it WOULD'VE had a good reason if it was part of the other suggestion
but still, calming/zen shouldn't be a requirement

distant gyro Sep 22, 2020, 2:19 AM

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it's gotta be there for a reason

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otherwise why would it even exist

mighty knot Sep 22, 2020, 2:19 AM

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but it shouldn't be required

distant gyro Sep 22, 2020, 2:19 AM

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the famous philosophy of calamity players

mighty knot Sep 22, 2020, 2:19 AM

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really the only other place like pre-provi hallow/hell is brimstone crag, but at least the enemies there don't take five seconds minimum to kill

distant gyro Sep 22, 2020, 2:19 AM

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if it's not worth why bother

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dungeon btw

mighty knot Sep 22, 2020, 2:20 AM

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oh fair I guess

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but you don't need a dungeon arena until polter/cv and at that point they die pretty much instantly

distant gyro Sep 22, 2020, 2:21 AM

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~~and early game jungle as a mindless player~~

sinful steeple Sep 22, 2020, 3:01 AM

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To be fair the only profaned enemy that doesn't get immediately boiled is scorn eaters which are pathetic enough as is

rose jewel Sep 22, 2020, 3:06 AM

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Tbh I haven’t had a problem with these except Right after ml

hearty sail Sep 22, 2020, 3:41 AM

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Does multiplayer work if I have the 64bit tmodloader and my buddy has the 32bit tmodloader? Or do they both have to be the same type?

sinful steeple Sep 22, 2020, 3:46 AM

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Why here?

dapper coral Sep 22, 2020, 3:48 AM

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this is the wrong channel for that

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better to ask in #help-advice-read-pins probably

ancient crow Sep 22, 2020, 5:12 AM

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wait, there's a 64bit tmod?

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where can i get it?

tawny garden Sep 22, 2020, 5:18 AM

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Pins in the bug channel

dapper coral Sep 22, 2020, 5:45 AM

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~~again, you could've asked in gentalk or somewhere since here is the wrong place for that~~

clever canopy Sep 22, 2020, 8:04 AM

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I agree that moon lord -> provi needs a rework but I don’t think adding unholy essence to everything is enough

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Needs to be a lot more fundamental than that, make the player need many crafting materials from tough enemies all over the world, have new ores to mine, new NPCs to find etc.

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Beating moon lord really does just feel like beating any other boss then moving on to the next, it carries none of the weight that the wall of flesh carries

ashen warren Sep 22, 2020, 9:48 AM

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honestly if you ask me polter should be moved below provi and tarragon should be after bloodflare

heady storm Sep 22, 2020, 9:49 AM

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Polter can be done before provi already is the thing.

golden narwhal Sep 22, 2020, 9:50 AM

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I mean, if polter and items associated with it were moved, that'd be alot of rebalancing (of both post-polter and post-provi stuff)

heady storm Sep 22, 2020, 9:52 AM

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Well like, here's the thing; it's already like that in a sense.

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You can fight Polter early, and in return you get that boost in gear.

golden narwhal Sep 22, 2020, 9:56 AM

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Yea, ig

cobalt pewter Sep 22, 2020, 11:37 AM

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waitaminute

golden narwhal Sep 22, 2020, 11:37 AM

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Meme?

cobalt pewter Sep 22, 2020, 11:37 AM

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Yes

golden narwhal Sep 22, 2020, 11:37 AM

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Or one of the rogue weapons

cobalt pewter Sep 22, 2020, 11:38 AM

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Prolly

radiant meadow Sep 22, 2020, 11:38 AM

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we'll let them edit and see then

cobalt pewter Sep 22, 2020, 11:38 AM

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They're editing the sugg

radiant meadow Sep 22, 2020, 11:38 AM

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at least

tawny garden Sep 22, 2020, 11:38 AM

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Lol wtf is this

radiant meadow Sep 22, 2020, 11:38 AM

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I thought they were editing

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~~I'll take any excuse to nerf Desecrated Water~~

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what?

cobalt pewter Sep 22, 2020, 11:38 AM

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@serene turtle are you sure that's all to it in your sugg?

tawny garden Sep 22, 2020, 11:39 AM

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thonk

radiant meadow Sep 22, 2020, 11:39 AM

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I will take that as a meme then and delete it.

serene turtle Sep 22, 2020, 11:39 AM

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no

stray cairn Sep 22, 2020, 11:39 AM

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lmao

tawny garden Sep 22, 2020, 11:39 AM

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Ye Ben ty

radiant meadow Sep 22, 2020, 11:39 AM

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Well you can retype it up if you make a real suggestion then.

tawny garden Sep 22, 2020, 11:40 AM

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checkpins

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Before that

radiant meadow Sep 22, 2020, 11:49 AM

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...

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why

serene turtle Sep 22, 2020, 11:50 AM

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beacause its unbalance

radiant meadow Sep 22, 2020, 11:50 AM

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You're not suggesting anything that needs fixing.

serene turtle Sep 22, 2020, 11:50 AM

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but

radiant meadow Sep 22, 2020, 11:50 AM

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You're just pulling random crap together.

serene turtle Sep 22, 2020, 11:50 AM

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i said water

stray cairn Sep 22, 2020, 11:50 AM

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now that you think of it,

serene turtle Sep 22, 2020, 11:50 AM

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i didnt crap

stray cairn Sep 22, 2020, 11:50 AM

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the water does seem different

serene turtle Sep 22, 2020, 11:50 AM

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i said water

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yes it does

radiant meadow Sep 22, 2020, 11:50 AM

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and what about water?

serene turtle Sep 22, 2020, 11:50 AM

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well

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yousee

radiant meadow Sep 22, 2020, 11:50 AM

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It's a vanilla feature that you can't balance

serene turtle Sep 22, 2020, 11:50 AM

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its doesnt sseem balanced

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in my opinion

radiant meadow Sep 22, 2020, 11:51 AM

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That's not enough

serene turtle Sep 22, 2020, 11:51 AM

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sorry if that disrepsects your opinion but

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its just how i feel

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sorry

radiant meadow Sep 22, 2020, 11:51 AM

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balancing suggestions should have some facts

serene turtle Sep 22, 2020, 11:51 AM

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ok

radiant meadow Sep 22, 2020, 11:51 AM

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well you're wasting our time if you post meaningless suggestions

serene turtle Sep 22, 2020, 11:51 AM

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can hshould i edit

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i need at least one fact

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ok? ri

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right

radiant meadow Sep 22, 2020, 11:51 AM

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I don't think there's anything you can edit it to.

serene turtle Sep 22, 2020, 11:52 AM

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but i there is

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i can add a fact

radiant meadow Sep 22, 2020, 11:52 AM

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You're suggesting to balance something that can't be/doesn't need to be balanced.

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In a suggestion with no substanance

serene turtle Sep 22, 2020, 11:52 AM

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well it doesnt seem like normal water it is a bit different middletext agreed with me

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the water does seem different
@stray cairn see

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someone agree

radiant meadow Sep 22, 2020, 11:53 AM

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I don't care how many people agree with you.

serene turtle Sep 22, 2020, 11:53 AM

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i will ada fact

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sorry

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i can edit if you want

radiant meadow Sep 22, 2020, 11:53 AM

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I'll give you a chance to edit it but if it's still meaningless, I'm going to delete it.

serene turtle Sep 22, 2020, 11:53 AM

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thank you

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sorry for annoying

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you

tawny garden Sep 22, 2020, 11:54 AM

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daryl

serene turtle Sep 22, 2020, 12:05 PM

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sorry i didnt means to press a

cobalt pewter Sep 22, 2020, 12:05 PM

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gawrgura moment

frail mantle Sep 22, 2020, 12:06 PM

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i don't understand what part of water needs rebalancing

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or why it needs rebalancing at all

serene turtle Sep 22, 2020, 12:06 PM

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its not very balancd

frail mantle Sep 22, 2020, 12:07 PM

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in what way

serene turtle Sep 22, 2020, 12:07 PM

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cuz it donest feel like normal water that wthe way

golden narwhal Sep 22, 2020, 12:07 PM

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This feels memey

serene turtle Sep 22, 2020, 12:07 PM

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sorry

frail mantle Sep 22, 2020, 12:07 PM

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you mean the in-game water physics?

serene turtle Sep 22, 2020, 12:08 PM

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no

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sorry

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yes

frail mantle Sep 22, 2020, 12:08 PM

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cause that doesn't seem like something Calamity would do

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hell, i'm not even sure if you can even make custom modded liquids without immense code fuckery

serene turtle Sep 22, 2020, 12:08 PM

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well it feel normal in normal terrari but not in calamty so it dont know why but i think because its calamtuy

frail mantle Sep 22, 2020, 12:09 PM

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pretty sure calamity does absolutely nothing to water physics so they should feel exactly the same

serene turtle Sep 22, 2020, 12:09 PM

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but

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no

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they dont

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middletext agreed with me they feel different

frail mantle Sep 22, 2020, 12:10 PM

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can you specify how they feel different (other than just "they feel different")

serene turtle Sep 22, 2020, 12:10 PM

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yes

frail mantle Sep 22, 2020, 12:10 PM

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then do

serene turtle Sep 22, 2020, 12:10 PM

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ok

radiant meadow Sep 22, 2020, 12:11 PM

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modded liquids are absolute ass to even try to make iirc

cobalt pewter Sep 22, 2020, 12:12 PM

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Sulp sea water is just recolored water with dmg yes?

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ODech

craggy stratus Sep 22, 2020, 12:13 PM

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HDfailure friendlier lava

sturdy geyser Sep 22, 2020, 12:13 PM

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its just water but in a certain biome

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also like what is this suggestion asking for?

sleek hornet Sep 22, 2020, 12:13 PM

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@serene turtle what do you mean by 'rebalanced water'

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It'll get removed soon anyway

serene turtle Sep 22, 2020, 12:14 PM

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what do you mean the water will get removed soon anyways

sleek hornet Sep 22, 2020, 12:14 PM

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The suggestion bruh

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Not the water

craggy stratus Sep 22, 2020, 12:15 PM

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saying the suggestion getting removed soon doesnt help at all

serene turtle Sep 22, 2020, 12:15 PM

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it alreay did he said post agian if it was real suggestion

sleek hornet Sep 22, 2020, 12:15 PM

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saying the suggestion getting removed soon doesnt help at all
@craggy stratus
Because it is

radiant meadow Sep 22, 2020, 12:15 PM

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but it creates a negative atmosphere that we don't need if you just shit on other people

serene turtle Sep 22, 2020, 12:16 PM

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ya!

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it does do tht

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anyway

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if i recall correctly i play on normal terraria the water seem normal when i the water moves on the grond and falls and when i spplash in water too it feels normal but in calamity not? it moves harder and stiff and when i splach but when the water in normal game world the

radiant meadow Sep 22, 2020, 12:16 PM

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I'm giving them a chance to make the suggestion

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oh

serene turtle Sep 22, 2020, 12:16 PM

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thank you ben

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id ditn mean to send the mesage early

radiant meadow Sep 22, 2020, 12:16 PM

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I think you just need to change the water physics setting

serene turtle Sep 22, 2020, 12:16 PM

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not finished

craggy stratus Sep 22, 2020, 12:17 PM

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there is a setting for water physic?

sleek hornet Sep 22, 2020, 12:17 PM

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but it creates a negative atmosphere that we don't need if you just shit on other people
@radiant meadow
Sorry, I didn't meant to do that

radiant meadow Sep 22, 2020, 12:17 PM

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You probably have a different setting for tmodloader vs vanilla.

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Yep

serene turtle Sep 22, 2020, 12:17 PM

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are

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oh

radiant meadow Sep 22, 2020, 12:17 PM

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none, low, mid, or high

serene turtle Sep 22, 2020, 12:17 PM

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ok

craggy stratus Sep 22, 2020, 12:17 PM

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oh yeah

serene turtle Sep 22, 2020, 12:17 PM

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let me check

radiant meadow Sep 22, 2020, 12:17 PM

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Try changing it to High and see if that solves your issues (or mid or low depending on the performance you need)

serene turtle Sep 22, 2020, 12:17 PM

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yes it fix

craggy stratus Sep 22, 2020, 12:17 PM

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also does 1.4 change water mechanic from 1.3.5

radiant meadow Sep 22, 2020, 12:17 PM

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afaik no

craggy stratus Sep 22, 2020, 12:17 PM

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prob not right

serene turtle Sep 22, 2020, 12:18 PM

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i just checked and it work thanks ben love you

sturdy geyser Sep 22, 2020, 12:18 PM

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😳

radiant meadow Sep 22, 2020, 12:18 PM

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okay, since the issue is resolved, I'm going to delete the suggestion then

serene turtle Sep 22, 2020, 12:18 PM

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no

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ok

radiant meadow Sep 22, 2020, 12:18 PM

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did you need it?

serene turtle Sep 22, 2020, 12:18 PM

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no

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poggr

golden narwhal Sep 22, 2020, 12:53 PM

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Natural boss spawns HahaYes

cobalt pewter Sep 22, 2020, 12:54 PM

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I'd agree with this

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Though honestly I'd rather have them naturally spawn when the rune is in the inventory

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To further presses on the fact that they are looking for it

crude geode Sep 22, 2020, 12:55 PM

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It’s my personal belief that more natural boss spawns should be in calamity (besides death mode Bc it already has those)

golden narwhal Sep 22, 2020, 12:55 PM

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Hell yes

craggy stratus Sep 22, 2020, 12:56 PM

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hell yeah i like this suggestion

crude geode Sep 22, 2020, 12:56 PM

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I also feel post ml is the best time Bc it lets the player have a chance of killing them for loot to beat up up provi with, and lets them see a boss they’ll end up fighting later

cobalt pewter Sep 22, 2020, 12:56 PM

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Also the fact that there's a massive uneducated amount of folks that don't know that Rune of Kos is craftable is amazing

craggy stratus Sep 22, 2020, 12:56 PM

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me

crude geode Sep 22, 2020, 12:57 PM

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If there’s any major problems with the suggestion, just like...ping me and I’ll check when I wake up.

robust lava Sep 22, 2020, 1:19 PM

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I like the idea of having a "Something is approaching" style message, but what about if it doesn't even spawn the boss? It could just hint towards needing to use the Rune in those areas, and that way people don't get jumped on by the Sentinels if they're not expecting it via a natural spawn

weak field Sep 22, 2020, 1:24 PM

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Just slap a message that says "craft the rune of kos and spawn the cbt weaver here you fucking idiot" when the player enters space after beating provi

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Maybe change around the wording a bit HDfailure

tawny garden Sep 22, 2020, 1:24 PM

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HDfailure

cobalt pewter Sep 22, 2020, 1:29 PM

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I stand by the fact of increased natural spawn when having Rune of Kos in inventory when traveling to related biomes

verbal osprey Sep 22, 2020, 1:31 PM

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something like the rune glows brightly here

cobalt pewter Sep 22, 2020, 1:33 PM

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Yeh

tawny garden Sep 22, 2020, 2:52 PM

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why does his head still do damage?
cause it's coded using a .kill() function

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that one works weirdly

hollow shell Sep 22, 2020, 2:52 PM

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uh oh

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an oversight

ashen warren Sep 22, 2020, 2:53 PM

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yeah i was having fun playing against dog in death mode

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and then that just happened

tawny garden Sep 22, 2020, 2:54 PM

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having fun in death mode
I think your definition of "fun" differs from mine

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CompleteFailure

ashen warren Sep 22, 2020, 2:54 PM

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fun as in already in endgame but stepping down my gear to the tier at which the boss should be fought at

wooden wedge Sep 22, 2020, 2:54 PM

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I think the instakill head is getting removed

ashen warren Sep 22, 2020, 2:55 PM

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it's pretty obnoxious

hollow shell Sep 22, 2020, 2:55 PM

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Haven't heard that before

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It's kinda understandible why it would but I also don't really expect it to happen

ashen warren Sep 22, 2020, 2:55 PM

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off topic but is it normal for DoG to rush like a storm weaver at his final phase

hollow shell Sep 22, 2020, 2:55 PM

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Kinda yeah

ashen warren Sep 22, 2020, 2:55 PM

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like mega fast that you cant even jump and dash

hollow shell Sep 22, 2020, 2:55 PM

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especially in Death

ashen warren Sep 22, 2020, 2:55 PM

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is that rng or

hollow shell Sep 22, 2020, 2:57 PM

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I don't think it's RNG as much as
actual luck
cuz I think DoG's AI is based purely on timers and your position

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so it's like classic "RNG", dependant on the user behavior

ashen warren Sep 22, 2020, 2:57 PM

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ah I was wondering at the back of my head "maybe im too far away"

radiant meadow Sep 22, 2020, 2:58 PM

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Instakill head isn't getting removed @wooden wedge

wooden wedge Sep 22, 2020, 2:58 PM

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ah

tawny garden Sep 22, 2020, 2:58 PM

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ye if you're too far away he'll come to you at a considerable fraction of the speed of light

radiant meadow Sep 22, 2020, 2:59 PM

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You might be thinking of Dom's side mod

wooden wedge Sep 22, 2020, 2:59 PM

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oh yeah it was that then

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I saw dom talking about it in other mod talk

golden meteor Sep 22, 2020, 3:11 PM

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does anyone else have the glitch where you cant plant acid wood?

wooden wedge Sep 22, 2020, 3:18 PM

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wrong channel for that

tawny garden Sep 22, 2020, 3:18 PM

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#bugs-read-pins

wooden wedge Sep 22, 2020, 3:18 PM

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read the pins first

tawny garden Sep 22, 2020, 3:19 PM

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~~like it says on the channel name~~ HDfailure

dapper coral Sep 22, 2020, 5:31 PM

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iirc yharon drops the terminus if ever there was some worldgen bug where the abyss shrine didn't generate

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that being said, perhaps a crafting recipe would be better, as opposed to having him drop it

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so that the situation of a missing abyss shrine is still solved

sleek turret Sep 22, 2020, 5:33 PM

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yes, also the ernaged boss one.

radiant meadow Sep 22, 2020, 5:35 PM

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@teal urchin Update your mod

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Yharon doesn't drop Terminus anymore.

wooden wedge Sep 22, 2020, 5:37 PM

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Gonna delete the sugg since it's already in the mod

teal urchin Sep 22, 2020, 5:37 PM

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oh ok sorry

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thank you

untold cargo Sep 22, 2020, 8:57 PM

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what

dapper coral Sep 22, 2020, 8:57 PM

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halibut cannon is a meme weapon

untold cargo Sep 22, 2020, 8:57 PM

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what is this

tawny garden Sep 22, 2020, 8:57 PM

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yeah no

dapper coral Sep 22, 2020, 8:57 PM

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it's not supposed to be used in regular gameplay

unreal viper Sep 22, 2020, 8:57 PM

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Honestly

tawny garden Sep 22, 2020, 8:57 PM

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@ashen warren

dapper coral Sep 22, 2020, 8:57 PM

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also no reason, although i assume you're getting there

unreal viper Sep 22, 2020, 8:57 PM

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Halibut is way too common

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It

mossy badge Sep 22, 2020, 8:57 PM

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canon*

civic pond Sep 22, 2020, 8:57 PM

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hmm

unreal viper Sep 22, 2020, 8:57 PM

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It's not that hard to get really

mossy badge Sep 22, 2020, 8:57 PM

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it is

civic pond Sep 22, 2020, 8:57 PM

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Its a meme weapon.

dapper coral Sep 22, 2020, 8:58 PM

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the point is, if you want it then you can farm for it

civic pond Sep 22, 2020, 8:58 PM

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thats it.

unreal viper Sep 22, 2020, 8:58 PM

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You know what

mossy badge Sep 22, 2020, 8:58 PM

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have you seen happydays playthroguh?

dapper coral Sep 22, 2020, 8:58 PM

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and ruin your playthrough

untold cargo Sep 22, 2020, 8:58 PM

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just dont get

dapper coral Sep 22, 2020, 8:58 PM

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it is what it is

untold cargo Sep 22, 2020, 8:58 PM

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he just got unlucky

unreal viper Sep 22, 2020, 8:58 PM

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Maybe memes weapons are bad

untold cargo Sep 22, 2020, 8:58 PM

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its only a 1/10000 i think

tawny garden Sep 22, 2020, 8:59 PM

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1/100000

unreal viper Sep 22, 2020, 8:59 PM

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If he could give a reason why meme weapons in general are bad, then there would be little reason for having any.

untold cargo Sep 22, 2020, 8:59 PM

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wasnt 1/100000 before

unreal viper Sep 22, 2020, 8:59 PM

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1 in 10 thousand.

untold cargo Sep 22, 2020, 8:59 PM

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then happydays got lucky

tawny garden Sep 22, 2020, 8:59 PM

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0.001% is (1/1000)*(1/100)=1/100000

untold cargo Sep 22, 2020, 9:00 PM

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0.0001% normal enemy

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yeah ik

tawny garden Sep 22, 2020, 9:00 PM

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ye, it was one in a mil before iirc

dapper coral Sep 22, 2020, 9:01 PM

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we'll see what they have to say for reasoning before it gets yeeted

hollow shell Sep 22, 2020, 9:01 PM

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@ashen warren (if you're adding to your suggestion, remember that you need to edit your message and not send a second message.)
(just makin sure)

ashen warren Sep 22, 2020, 9:01 PM

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ok

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thx

hollow shell Sep 22, 2020, 9:01 PM

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np

ashen warren Sep 22, 2020, 9:04 PM

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how do i add a new line?

hollow shell Sep 22, 2020, 9:04 PM

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shift+enter

clever canopy Sep 22, 2020, 9:05 PM

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I can save you some time and tell you now it's not gonna be accepted

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Halibut is kinda a meme in the first place, it literally has a warning not to use for at risk of breaking your playthough

hollow shell Sep 22, 2020, 9:06 PM

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"many players would often start their game aim to get said gun"

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Many players?
How successful were they? It's a ridiculously low drop chance

frail mantle Sep 22, 2020, 9:07 PM

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yea like

dapper coral Sep 22, 2020, 9:07 PM

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mmmyeah the sugg is kinda disregarding the point of the weapon
which is that it's meant to be ridiculously strong

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it's not meant to be used in a regular playthrough

ashen warren Sep 22, 2020, 9:07 PM

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based on many playthroughs of gunslingers that i have wached seem to get it while exploring the abyss "coincidentally"

frail mantle Sep 22, 2020, 9:08 PM

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it's only guaranteed to drop from Jareds and is really rare from all other enemies

hollow shell Sep 22, 2020, 9:08 PM

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puh

ashen warren Sep 22, 2020, 9:08 PM

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good points

frail mantle Sep 22, 2020, 9:09 PM

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also Abyss enemies are balanced around post-Skeletron, so anyone trying to farm for it before that either enjoys inflicting pain upon themselves or just doesn't understand how long farming for it will take

ashen warren Sep 22, 2020, 9:09 PM

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good points
@ashen warren

hollow shell Sep 22, 2020, 9:09 PM

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and the fact that Abyss has the unavoidably limited breath

copper turret Sep 22, 2020, 9:09 PM

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tbh i've never said to myself in my ranger playthroughs, "hey lets go to the abyss, even though i have nothing to keep myself safe from the devastating waters, to get a 1/1,000,000 chance drop from enemies with 800 hp, which is 800 million damage required, which would take even endgame players over 15 minutes to do"

hollow shell Sep 22, 2020, 9:09 PM

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means you need to do some repetitious breath-getting, either going up to the sulphur sea surface or cheesing it with two-way teleports like Luiafk's Infinite Recall

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Hard to farm, basically.

copper turret Sep 22, 2020, 9:10 PM

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the only consistent way to get it is from jared, and easiest way to kill jared is by cheat sheet

hollow shell Sep 22, 2020, 9:10 PM

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(( "Jared" is the Adult Eidolon Wyrm, that enemy which is stronger than the Dungeon Guardian, btw ))

copper turret Sep 22, 2020, 9:10 PM

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Jared was the name of a passive adult eidolon wyrm that Youtuber Hectique somehow got out of the abyss and it was still passive

ashen warren Sep 22, 2020, 9:11 PM

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so is slime staff ~~i know they are not the same~~

hollow shell Sep 22, 2020, 9:11 PM

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Similar weapons.

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in concept

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Except that Slime Staff is weak as hell even when you do get it

copper turret Sep 22, 2020, 9:11 PM

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Halibut cannon is op only because you know, it's halibut cannon

ashen warren Sep 22, 2020, 9:11 PM

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makes sense

frail mantle Sep 22, 2020, 9:11 PM

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slime staff is decent enough and Clam adds a recipe for it

dapper coral Sep 22, 2020, 9:11 PM

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slime staff is unused for exactly the opposite reason halibut is unused, is that it's incredibly weak

ashen warren Sep 22, 2020, 9:12 PM

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you are right

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damn i hate being proven wrong

hollow shell Sep 22, 2020, 9:12 PM

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lol

ashen warren Sep 22, 2020, 9:12 PM

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lmao

dapper coral Sep 22, 2020, 9:12 PM

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at least you're admitting it

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makes you more open-minded as a person

copper turret Sep 22, 2020, 9:12 PM

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but i agree, steamrolling through all of prehardmode, hardmode, and half of post moonlord with a single fish gun is stupidly op

frail mantle Sep 22, 2020, 9:13 PM

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ye, though that's on purpose

copper turret Sep 22, 2020, 9:13 PM

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if you found a voodoo demon randomly in hell, you could fight wof without armor or accessories and still win, lmao

ashen warren Sep 22, 2020, 9:14 PM

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i meant more of balance rather than nerf. the magnum round gimmick seems to fit in with the gun imo

copper turret Sep 22, 2020, 9:14 PM

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But that's the point, if you grinded 5 days straight, it doesn't make sense for the weapon to be the same tier as your minishark

clever canopy Sep 22, 2020, 9:15 PM

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flashbacks to the suggestion to remove the "sam" Easter egg so people didn't accidentally ruin their playthrough

hollow shell Sep 22, 2020, 9:15 PM

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I'm wondering if it'd be worth it to make Halibut not a super rare drop but instead a super difficult / secret method, one that's consistent and must be intended to do
considering currently it's basically a free lottery where anybody strolling into the Abyss has a chance to get the "invalidate your playthrough" item
which is, funny I spose, for a meme item, but it also leads to weirdness like this

ashen warren Sep 22, 2020, 9:15 PM

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i know. limiting the use of the weapon makes it more fair, just like the elephant killer.

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just imagine it as a ranged weapon

frail mantle Sep 22, 2020, 9:15 PM

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yea that'd be interesting

ashen warren Sep 22, 2020, 9:15 PM

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or basically any classless guns

clever canopy Sep 22, 2020, 9:15 PM

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Make halibut drop more often if the character is named jared

dapper coral Sep 22, 2020, 9:16 PM

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that would be kewl

copper turret Sep 22, 2020, 9:16 PM

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Maybe theres a secret way, like you have to be named fabsol or something and then you have to go to the abyss which nobody wants to go to in early game, and then you'd have to do a certain thing, etc that would be cool

ashen warren Sep 22, 2020, 9:16 PM

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Make halibut drop more often if the character is named jared
@clever canopy no, thats not the point!

copper turret Sep 22, 2020, 9:16 PM

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no, that is the point

hollow shell Sep 22, 2020, 9:16 PM

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I mean we could

frail mantle Sep 22, 2020, 9:16 PM

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something like how you unlock REX in RoR2, you have to bring an item that naenaes you if you fall below half health all the way from the first stage to the fourth and find a specific interactable to use it on

hollow shell Sep 22, 2020, 9:17 PM

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Yeah something like that

copper turret Sep 22, 2020, 9:17 PM

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Or maybe you have to like lead a boss into the Abyss and then kill it there, that would be challenging but rewarding, and you can't do that on accident

hollow shell Sep 22, 2020, 9:17 PM

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Maybe reach the Abyss shrine without any breath-extending items equipped, to get Halibut
I have no idea how you'd do that but it'll be hard and annoying!

clever canopy Sep 22, 2020, 9:17 PM

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If the player is named Jared and has chaos state in the abyss then it's a 100% drop rate from any enemy

copper turret Sep 22, 2020, 9:18 PM

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But chaos state is only like 5 seconds so you have to be quick

frail mantle Sep 22, 2020, 9:18 PM

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could probably even do something more simple, like a special structure with a miniboss/stronger version of a normal enemy that is guaranteed to drop the Halibut

hollow shell Sep 22, 2020, 9:18 PM

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Hmmm Chaos State

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maybe

ashen warren Sep 22, 2020, 9:18 PM

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easiest way to balance halibut gun, increase distance between bullets so that decreases accuracy. ~~now that i have written that, it just sounds like a buff to make it aoe~~

clever canopy Sep 22, 2020, 9:18 PM

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(since that's how you spawn the adult eidolon)

copper turret Sep 22, 2020, 9:18 PM

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How about a shrine that is buried INSIDE of the abyss walls

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in 2nd layer probably so that a random idiot with deathbringer pick can't get an op weapon

frail mantle Sep 22, 2020, 9:18 PM

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that just sounds like it'd be tedious

ashen warren Sep 22, 2020, 9:19 PM

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exactly

hollow shell Sep 22, 2020, 9:19 PM

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A shrine surrounded by invincible blocks so you need to teleport in there and provoke AEW 🤔

copper turret Sep 22, 2020, 9:19 PM

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Hm then what to do

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And you have to be quick or you'll be naenaed by jared

ashen warren Sep 22, 2020, 9:19 PM

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naenae fo you get a whoopin

clever canopy Sep 22, 2020, 9:20 PM

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crafts 5000 teleportation potions and prays to RNGesus

copper turret Sep 22, 2020, 9:20 PM

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How about tele potions have chaos state too but for only 1 sec so that people don't spam it and randomly get to a place

ashen warren Sep 22, 2020, 9:20 PM

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nice

hollow shell Sep 22, 2020, 9:20 PM

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@ashen warren 1. Whips still deal summon damage so they will not incur the damage debuff while you hold them

copper turret Sep 22, 2020, 9:20 PM

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And so that spamming the potion will still spawn AEW

ashen warren Sep 22, 2020, 9:20 PM

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3 sec on rev

hollow shell Sep 22, 2020, 9:21 PM

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It's defined by the held weapon's damage type

frail mantle Sep 22, 2020, 9:22 PM

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also isn't the point of the summon damage penalty to make summons less free bonus dps

hollow shell Sep 22, 2020, 9:22 PM

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That's the point of the debuff, summoner + other classes is overpowered and the devs are trying to nerf it with the debuff

clever canopy Sep 22, 2020, 9:22 PM

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That reminds me I did think about making a suggestion to remove the 10% boost when holding a summon wep

hollow shell Sep 22, 2020, 9:22 PM

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"Classless" weapons in the mod, such as Golden Gun, Marked Magnum, Lunic Eye, etc
do not incur the damage debuff either
because they're not not summon damage (that's how it works)

copper turret Sep 22, 2020, 9:22 PM

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Photoviscerator: OP
Any other summon weapon with it: OP with more OP

ashen warren Sep 22, 2020, 9:22 PM

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heres an idea, horror decreases summon aggro

copper turret Sep 22, 2020, 9:23 PM

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But why

frail mantle Sep 22, 2020, 9:23 PM

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also isn't summon damage only reduced when holding a non-summon damage weapon, the same when holding anything else and increased when holding a summon weapon

ashen warren Sep 22, 2020, 9:23 PM

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cuz they be scared too

clever canopy Sep 22, 2020, 9:23 PM

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You do still miss out on the 10% damage boost if using a classless weapon, which I'm not a fan of

unreal viper Sep 22, 2020, 9:23 PM

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I agree with logan on that tbh.

hollow shell Sep 22, 2020, 9:23 PM

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(well RIP sugg ig)

unreal viper Sep 22, 2020, 9:23 PM

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I don't like the incentive to just hold your weapon and do nothing.

hollow shell Sep 22, 2020, 9:24 PM

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well that's the point

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It's not meant to be a supplementary class

unreal viper Sep 22, 2020, 9:24 PM

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Ofc, the main problem is a lack of active weapons for summoners.

clever canopy Sep 22, 2020, 9:24 PM

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Like in its current state the Debuff makes summoner as a supplementary class useless
@ashen warren That's the point

hollow shell Sep 22, 2020, 9:24 PM

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It's meant to be a dedicated class

unreal viper Sep 22, 2020, 9:24 PM

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The summon damage nerf imo only really hurts summoners.

ashen warren Sep 22, 2020, 9:24 PM

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and horror debuf has a random chance to inflict silenced on death mode

unreal viper Sep 22, 2020, 9:24 PM

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Or at least it hurts them more.

hollow shell Sep 22, 2020, 9:24 PM

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tbh, ^ I hate sand

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I don't know why we nerf summon damage and not all other damage

unreal viper Sep 22, 2020, 9:25 PM

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Cause it's free dps for the other classes regardless.

mossy badge Sep 22, 2020, 9:25 PM

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dude

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you can get murasama

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easier than halibut and if ur named sam ur fine

hollow shell Sep 22, 2020, 9:25 PM

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Aighty

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also Here's the thing about Murasama

unreal viper Sep 22, 2020, 9:25 PM

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Murusama sam thing is dumb, but this off topic.

hollow shell Sep 22, 2020, 9:25 PM

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You need to commit to getting it when you create your character

unreal viper Sep 22, 2020, 9:25 PM

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Sam is too general imo.

mossy badge Sep 22, 2020, 9:25 PM

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oh

clever canopy Sep 22, 2020, 9:25 PM

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Do that log thing with summons like sirius for other classes damage when you have x minions active

hollow shell Sep 22, 2020, 9:25 PM

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You gotta make the active effort for it (name could be more specific yeah but in concept yes)

mossy badge Sep 22, 2020, 9:26 PM

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true ig

hollow shell Sep 22, 2020, 9:26 PM

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Halibut, however, is totally random

mossy badge Sep 22, 2020, 9:26 PM

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but some people are same

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sam

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yeah

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ig

hollow shell Sep 22, 2020, 9:26 PM

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cya

ashen warren Sep 22, 2020, 9:26 PM

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its 1 fucking am and i dont have school tmrw

hollow shell Sep 22, 2020, 9:26 PM

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You could suggest that the name be made more specific
like only "Samuel Rodriguez" or "Jetstream Sam"

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instead of just "Sam"

ashen warren Sep 22, 2020, 9:26 PM

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what do i do?

hollow shell Sep 22, 2020, 9:27 PM

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((someone sugg'd that in the past but you can definitely resugg it))

ashen warren Sep 22, 2020, 9:27 PM

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overthink game

hollow shell Sep 22, 2020, 9:27 PM

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uhh idk do whatever you want man

ashen warren Sep 22, 2020, 9:27 PM

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cuz what else do you do in midnight?

hollow shell Sep 22, 2020, 9:27 PM

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Gaming

unreal viper Sep 22, 2020, 9:27 PM

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Sleep

ashen warren Sep 22, 2020, 9:27 PM

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no

unreal viper Sep 22, 2020, 9:27 PM

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Yes

tawny garden Sep 22, 2020, 9:27 PM

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#general-talk

hollow shell Sep 22, 2020, 9:28 PM

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anyway this is #general-talk ^

ashen warren Sep 22, 2020, 9:28 PM

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monkey brain say ooh ooh no

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guys, no memes on #suggestions-discussion
funny sugg person

hollow shell Sep 22, 2020, 9:30 PM

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nah it's not memes it's just that this doesn't relate to suggs anymore

ashen warren Sep 22, 2020, 9:30 PM

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dude im making a joke

dapper coral Sep 22, 2020, 9:30 PM

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mmyeah we can move on now

hollow shell Sep 22, 2020, 9:30 PM

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okay :P

ashen warren Sep 22, 2020, 9:30 PM

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you know the no memes on general joke?

hollow shell Sep 22, 2020, 9:30 PM

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ye I do

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anyway

dapper coral Sep 22, 2020, 9:30 PM

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here isn't really the place for jokes either

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so let's not make em :)

tawny garden Sep 22, 2020, 9:31 PM

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https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/465195069406707722/747607329465303091

hollow shell Sep 22, 2020, 9:31 PM

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byeah we try to keep things really on-track here

ashen warren Sep 22, 2020, 9:31 PM

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ok so specific names for op cheats?

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sam is too general

hollow shell Sep 22, 2020, 9:31 PM

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Yeah

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That can be a suggestion

ashen warren Sep 22, 2020, 9:31 PM

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Fabsol is too

unreal viper Sep 22, 2020, 9:32 PM

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Bruh

hollow shell Sep 22, 2020, 9:32 PM

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lul is a different kind of item cuz obtaining it is really hard and specific, so the name aspect doesn't matter as much

unreal viper Sep 22, 2020, 9:32 PM

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Yeah.

hollow shell Sep 22, 2020, 9:32 PM

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Murasama is the more notable example, cuz it's easy to get

clever canopy Sep 22, 2020, 9:32 PM

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If you make an Easter egg specific it's no longer an Easter egg, it's a cheat code

hollow shell Sep 22, 2020, 9:32 PM

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🤔

sleek turret Sep 22, 2020, 9:32 PM

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Fabsol may be its considered specific, also you may say that LUL is a specific item to get too.

clever canopy Sep 22, 2020, 9:33 PM

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Part of the point is that people can randomly stumble upon it

ashen warren Sep 22, 2020, 9:33 PM

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some cheats require a specific menu that has a code section. devs will enter their unique code there, allowing them to access cheats and toggle them on/ off

hollow shell Sep 22, 2020, 9:33 PM

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m if you don't wanna call it an easter egg then you can just call it a "secret"

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a "cheat code" isn't quite the right term

frail mantle Sep 22, 2020, 9:33 PM

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lul isn't dedicated, it's just an easter egg yea

sleek turret Sep 22, 2020, 9:34 PM

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I think is way better Devs add the item and put it to be a cheat item like Item Charger tool.

ashen warren Sep 22, 2020, 9:34 PM

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no, like general cheats

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not easter eggs

sleek turret Sep 22, 2020, 9:34 PM

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then use Cheat Sheet.

clever canopy Sep 22, 2020, 9:34 PM

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I've yet to see any evidence of someone ruining their playthrough by naming their character Sam and stumbling upon Murasama

hollow shell Sep 22, 2020, 9:35 PM

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m, I haven't heard any actual examples of that happening either

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but then again I avoid channels like #calamity-mod-talk so I prolly wouldn't see it if it happened anyway

clever canopy Sep 22, 2020, 9:35 PM

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It's about as likely as halibut cannon dropping from your first abyss enemy

copper turret Sep 22, 2020, 9:36 PM

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What kind of coincidence is this: They name themself Sam, nothing else, not SamIAm, not anything, just Sam. Basic Sam. That's a very low chance to be named around Sam, let alone Sam. And then they go to the very right of the underworld for some reason, even though their hellbridge shouldn't be that long, and find the structure. That's super duper insane.

hollow shell Sep 22, 2020, 9:37 PM

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Yeah you've gotta be a specific kind of person to name your character just "Sam" HDfailure

sleek turret Sep 22, 2020, 9:37 PM

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yeah, usually when naming your character it may have different names to not confuse, and with different purposes.

"Kaizo" (general)
"Kaizowilta" (when playing Fargo's Souls)
"No-hit" and there it goes.

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or something random.

hollow shell Sep 22, 2020, 9:38 PM

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My character names are either made-up fantasy-ish character names or titles,
or something very specific for their purpose (usually for testing)

sleek turret Sep 22, 2020, 9:38 PM

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yeah

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or even world names

hollow shell Sep 22, 2020, 9:39 PM

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(My Calamity+Spirit PT character is named "The Intuned"
~~May be pretentious but idc cuz I'm the only one seein it really~~)

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dunno if I'd ever uhhh

do just Sam

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without specifically goin for Murasama of course

dapper coral Sep 22, 2020, 9:39 PM

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i usually just name myself a variation of Demik because yes

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similar to Kaizo

sleek turret Sep 22, 2020, 9:39 PM

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example would be:
"Test1"
"Playthrough"
"No-hit"

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for world names

dapper coral Sep 22, 2020, 9:40 PM

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so yeah, unless my name is Sam and my gamer tag is Sam i highly doubt i would just call myself Sam

hollow shell Sep 22, 2020, 9:41 PM

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("Teuur" for an old PT, "Josuke Higashikata" for my Thorium healer PT, "Slag Fury" for my Thorium mage PT, "Aelia" for some specific vanity I made)

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jus me tho

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like I said some specific kind of boring person could name themselves Sam
s'just not likely either

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First sentence of this sugg's reason could be clearer that you mean your suggestion would do that, and not that the status quo does that

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Aight thanks

clever canopy Sep 22, 2020, 9:43 PM

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Edited to make more clear

hollow shell Sep 22, 2020, 9:43 PM

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(holding*)

clever canopy Sep 22, 2020, 9:44 PM

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ty

hollow shell Sep 22, 2020, 9:44 PM

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np

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Suggestion seems fine yeah

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The damage boost does create kind of an interesting dynamic where you can either boost your minion damage or add your own additional firepower
but uhh, it does kinda encourage more boring gameplay

clever canopy Sep 22, 2020, 9:46 PM

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Most of the time you don't even get additional firepower from using other weapons though

sleek turret Sep 22, 2020, 9:46 PM

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Indeed.

void kelp Sep 22, 2020, 9:47 PM

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tbh ive seen the summon damage boost as an incentive to use only summon weaps

clever canopy Sep 22, 2020, 9:47 PM

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If you take the lunic eye as an example for a classless weapon, it's only ever more effective than holding a summon weapon if the enemy has 20%+ DR, and a lot of the enemies with more than that are immune to marked

void kelp Sep 22, 2020, 9:48 PM

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like the use of classless weaps in this case is to tag the enemy then go back to summon

sleek turret Sep 22, 2020, 9:48 PM

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byeah, does the summoner weapon that Astral Aureus drop trigger the 10%+ damage increase?

hollow shell Sep 22, 2020, 9:48 PM

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It should yeah

void kelp Sep 22, 2020, 9:48 PM

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everything that deals summon damage gets the damage boost

hollow shell Sep 22, 2020, 9:48 PM

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cuz its summon damage

clever canopy Sep 22, 2020, 9:49 PM

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like the use of classless weaps in this case is to tag the enemy then go back to summon
@void kelp Marked from lunic eye only lasts 5 seconds, by the time you've switched back and forth to it you've probably lost more damage than it's worth

hollow shell Sep 22, 2020, 9:49 PM

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Well I mean

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the switch-fire-switchback can only take like 1 second max

clever canopy Sep 22, 2020, 9:50 PM

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Plus quick swapping generally adds more risk as it's another aspect for the player to worry about. I don't think the reward matches the risk for doing it

void kelp Sep 22, 2020, 9:51 PM

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using hotkeys makes switching from one item to another in your inventory is pretty fast

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and since in calamity summon damage is dynamic

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aka boosts dont need you to resummon to have them apply, like in vanilla

clever canopy Sep 22, 2020, 9:52 PM

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It's also just another case where I feel calamity makes things needlessly complex, moving further and further away from the simplicity of vanilla

void kelp Sep 22, 2020, 9:53 PM

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idk what you mean by too complex in this sense since to me it's a "summon damage is better when you use a summon weapon as your main weapon"

clever canopy Sep 22, 2020, 9:55 PM

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I'm not saying it's one of the worst examples of it, but when they stack up you end up resenting each of them more than you would individually

void kelp Sep 22, 2020, 11:48 PM

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@dusky monolith dps doesn't really serve as an accurate metric

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exact times? is this rev destroyer?

dusky monolith Sep 22, 2020, 11:48 PM

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Maybe, but that’s still not the point here. Yes, I am in rev mode.

craggy stratus Sep 22, 2020, 11:48 PM

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super dummy and dummy dps is never reliable

void kelp Sep 22, 2020, 11:48 PM

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balancing in calamtiy is balanced with avg. dps + kill times on revengance mode

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how does it compare against, like, AS?

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balance testing needs certain metrics yo

dusky monolith Sep 22, 2020, 11:50 PM

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Haven’t tried AS yet, gonna get to it later. I discovered this only a few minutes ago, after seeing what cryonic bars could make.

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Or- another Idea could be adjusting the weapon so that weapon melee speed Does not effect the projectile creation speed, I’m currently using a build based on melee speed.

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Similar to the biome blade.

craggy stratus Sep 23, 2020, 12:34 AM

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https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/756000946865176647 this sugg has reached 200 stars

heady storm Sep 23, 2020, 12:35 AM

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Cool and all, it will be delivered to the dev server in time.

cobalt pewter Sep 23, 2020, 12:36 AM

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These aren't automated?

dapper coral Sep 23, 2020, 12:36 AM

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nope

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they never were

sand umbra Sep 23, 2020, 12:48 AM

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never have been

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echgun

distant gyro Sep 23, 2020, 1:11 AM

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all spears have short range and infinite pierce what's the problem

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and the projectile has 2 pierce not infinite if that's the thing in question

craggy stratus Sep 23, 2020, 1:15 AM

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i think axlemon mixed crystal piercer with starlight lance

sleek hornet Sep 23, 2020, 1:21 AM

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i think frost blossom staff and/or ancient ice chunk should inflicts frostburn

craggy stratus Sep 23, 2020, 1:23 AM

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suggest it in #suggestions-posting , this is for discussion

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~~also yeah i agree~~

sleek hornet Sep 23, 2020, 1:24 AM

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well i want to discuss it first, thats the way 'the pins' recomennding HDfailure

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because most of ice themed weps like ice blade, snowball cannn or even the snowball itself inflicts frostburn

wooden wedge Sep 23, 2020, 1:25 AM

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with the new system there isn't much reason to post your sugg in here first

sleek hornet Sep 23, 2020, 1:26 AM

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ok il post it

cobalt pewter Sep 23, 2020, 1:33 AM

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Frost Blossom would be massively pogged with Frostburn that early ingame

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But yeah, Ice Clasper minions defo need one

sleek hornet Sep 23, 2020, 1:40 AM

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but like... snowball canon.. 18 damage, rapid fire, cheap ammo, and then calamity buff it even more with now it can inficts snowburn, what is the problem with FBS with a 10 dmg and not as rapid as snowball canon, and remeber that both of them can be obtained as early as you walk into snow biome

radiant meadow Sep 23, 2020, 1:40 AM

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Snowball Cannon does require a little bit of luck

Alright I think I fact-checked thoroughly enough and found that note on SCal's page was wrong; she does not affect your life regen at all, just the healing pick-up hearts. Fixed the page.

Alright I think I fact-checked thoroughly enough and found that note on SCal's page was wrong; she does not affect your life regen at all, just the healing pick-up hearts.
Fixed the page.