(in this respect I don't really think the Terminus and the Boss Rush it entails work very well in Terraria's context, especially given the point Ben's provided, but that's a story for another day)
#suggestions-discussion
sand umbra
radiant meadow
because it doesn't really work very well
but at the same time, there's no real point in getting rid of it right now, it's the very last thing and is very optional
tawny garden
(I'm questioning the content of the whole game right now, not many things here really work together)
hollow shell
Hollow Knight's game design is too sexy to translate properly into Terraria
sand umbra
I have heard good things about HK but also I have never played it
hollow shell
I recommend it
tawny garden
do
hollow shell
Favorite game, for me
sand umbra
but if it's even half as good as I've heard then yeah I don't think it'll translate well into Terraria from a design standpoint
Terraria is
a very awkwardly designed game
tawny garden
conversation derailed again
ancient mirage
ive spent like 180 hours on it, would definitely recommend it
sand umbra
this problem generally does not stop with mods either and I think Calamity in particular tends to amplify this issue
tawny garden
yes
hollow shell
(for the topic of Boss Rush and power scaling specifically, in Hollow Knight you have roughly the same abilities and stats as you did at the start of the game. There's big differences in the game's context of course, but it's similar enough that the first bosses in the game can still be thrown at you in the Boss Rush and you'll still have some level of challenge. They can kill you, if you're not trying.
Whereas in Terraria there is absolutely no comparison, you are so fucking jacked by the end compared to when you start, first bosses literally die in a single frame and it'd take them 4000 years to kill you even if you did nothing)
sand umbra
(yeah pretty much)
(even strictly following vanilla's power curve, your expected DPS easily goes up by a factor of nearly 100 in total from game start to game end)
tawny garden
it'd take them 4000 years to kill you even if you did nothing
no, early-game bosses literally can't kill you late into the game
sand umbra
(throw Calamity in there? that's baby numbers, your expected DPS roughly goes up by a factor of 100 thousand from game start to game end)
tawny garden
~10⁶ if you include post-SCal
sand umbra
post-SCal especially it travels into the millions
to the point that BR needs legitimately asinine boosts to every statistic imaginable for everything prior to like Provi to stand a chance
tawny garden
they still don't stand any chance
sand umbra
they at least don't die in a single frame
which is an improvement over how it goes normally
tawny garden
sand umbra
literally you can kill Perfs with Celestus in one tick starting from when you hit the Cyst
and the scythe will have barely fucking moved upon death happening
tawny garden
good for MappyGaming
hollow shell
Hell not even with Celestus
early-mid Post-ML I'll be travelling through the Crimson and have status messages and treasure bags seemingly pop in outta nowhere
One of my weapons just grazed a cyst without me realizing
sand umbra
radiant meadow
The other day, I was testing something with Twins so I spawned in Spaz and Eclipse Mirror crit ohko'd the poor thing and I had to spawn it in again
hollow shell
Nice
tawny garden
hollow shell
aight anyway
No sugg can really result from this considering the convo is about
how BR will always be jank just because of how Terraria's core game design is
and, we aren't removing BR
sand umbra
no 
tawny garden
sand umbra
get denied
tawny garden
time to find a bug in discord and react with❗
pastel terrace
Why does the drataliornus use 3 yharim gifts for its recipe? Why does it include 2 kindle staffs? Why is yharims gift only used in one recipe?
sinful violet
weird recipe because dedicated item
hollow shell
You'd have to ask the dedicatee if you want the recipe to be changed
though the reason why its recipe is ridiculous is cuz it's meant to be an Apotheosis-type item
pastel terrace
Didn't realise it was a dedicated item
hollow shell
and Apotheosis has a ridiculous recipe because Terry
cobalt pewter
Yeah it's for nohitting the entire rev pt yes?
hollow shell
Yeah, back in the day, when we rewarded that
cobalt pewter
I assume it was the very first
Without that guy, I might've never seen my boy drata
Thanks whoever did the challenge
hollow shell
Sygilin
cobalt pewter
Also Yharim Gifts are relatively easy to get now
hollow shell
(tho iirc they changed their username since then)
pastel terrace
Okay, next question
hollow shell
Oh is that so?
pastel terrace
Why does this mod like to betray my heart and have a magic weapon be crafted into a ranged weapon
hollow shell
ah
cobalt pewter
Yeah, transitioning into p2 post darksun makes him drop a bag
hollow shell
You talkin about uhhhhh Aether's Whisper?
pastel terrace
fucking, yes
hollow shell
aight
sinful violet
because it gets to do it with effervescence, and no one uses bubble gun so that doesn't count
aether is very weird yes
hollow shell
Technically Aether is a ranged and magic weapon
so having it go into a ranged weapon isn't too silly
pastel terrace
Actually yeah
cobalt pewter
I think Thorium has this way to deliver separate damage types on a single weapon by right clicking it in the inventory
But it wouldn't still solve the issue with the prefixes
pastel terrace
Why is xenopopper a ranged weapon while effervescence is a magic weapon
hollow shell
Bubble
pastel terrace
B U B B L E
cobalt pewter
Effer uses bubble gun, no?
hollow shell
It do
cobalt pewter
Or am I mistaken
pastel terrace
And xenopopper
hollow shell
Also Xeno already has a ranged upgrade, Vortexpopper
cobalt pewter
pastel terrace
Then why not just use the bubble gun..?
sinful violet
see this is what i mean no one remembers the bubble gun part
hollow shell
Because bubble
sinful violet
because it has the splitting of xeno as well
hollow shell
Effervescence does a splitting effect yeah
except into more bubbles instead of bullets
sinful violet
p good combination if you're asking me at least
pastel terrace
I'm just saying it gets confusing when I see I can upgrade my weapon, craft it and realise its a ranger weapon
hollow shell
Potentially
sinful violet
valid
pastel terrace
That latest suggestion in posting looks p good
hollow shell
cobalt pewter
I'd also probably rework the melee rogue variants to be like what I mentioned earlier for aether
I think Thorium has this way to deliver separate damage types on a single weapon by right clicking it in the inventory
One of other reasons melee rogue variants are bad is because you can be crafting the wrong variant at times, or getting a drop for a variant you don't want
pastel terrace
Being able to switch a variant by swapping it at a crafting station, similar to how some mods treat the hardmode ores, would be nice
ashen warren
Would a suggestion about hellstone and hellstone bars being dropped from brimstone crates be ok?
hollow shell
You could suggest that, yeah
Make sure you include a reason for it of course
ashen warren
Is that ok?
hollow shell
That's good yeah
I think a more notable reason for Auric having no renewable resource is that it's so close to the end of the game
cobalt pewter
That's alright yes
hollow shell
and there's a shitload of it
so, it doesn't really need to be renewable
but yeah
Hellstone is way earlier
and more sparse
cobalt pewter
Are the auric ore spawned on yharon kill enough to craft every single thing that requires the bar?
ashen warren
easily
hollow shell
Very likely yes
cobalt pewter
Pretty kewl then
And I assume there's no consumable weapons that use auric bars as recipe? Aside from plasma nades
ashen warren
aside from plasma nades, no
cobalt pewter
Rogue got a fat rip post yharon then 
ashen warren
2 other weapons
ashen warren
stealth 
ashen warren
this is kinda moving offtopic
tepid root
doesnt the newest sugg in voting break a dont
ashen warren
which don't?
tepid root
ashen warren
that was the second last suggestion
also no, as it doesn't refer to vanilla weapons
tepid root
e?
cobalt pewter
You mean the ooa armor sets?
tepid root
im talking about this
whole sedge
Yeah it's referring to giving an armor set a purpose frankly and it's not focused on rogue it's more focused on making OOA not suck but that's armor balancing which is a massive pain for devs and playtesters to do
cobalt pewter
Also it generally falls under the vanilla changes no?
hollow shell
Ahh, yknow what, you right
ashen warren
bit late for that now
tepid root
¯_(ツ)_/¯
hollow shell
yeah I gotta
ashen warren
rip
hollow shell
@chilly pelican Sorry we didn't realize sooner, but you can't actually suggest that vanilla equipment boost rogue stats instead of their existing stats (i.e. Shinobi & Monk)
You can include the rest of your suggestion though, and repost it once the rogue stuff is edited out
Here's your suggestion:
Make the DD2 Armor sets ignore or lower the summoner damage penalty, like the Forbidden Set, and make the Shinobi Infiltrator / Monk rogue summoner hybrid sets.
The armors were already designed to be made around multiclassing, to use sentries setup before a fight, while actually using a different weapon. The tradeoffs are even already in place: you sacrifice many minion slots for immobile sentry slots, and damage increases to another classes' weapon type, along with perhaps some crit chance or move speed or regen, while getting more defense than other summon sets of their tiers. Unfortunately, due to Calamity's built-in summoner nerf, their usage is almost obsolete. They don't offer nearly enough damage to the other classes to consider using, and for summoners their off-brand buffs can't offset a 50 percent damage penalty. Making them at least follow the line of the Fearmonger and Forbidden sets and ignore half of the penalty would be a simple fix for it.
It opens up a lot of variety in playstyle across Hardmode, as well as making people want to complete the OOA event as any class, and give summoners who are simply tired of crap AI summons a build where they're more incentivized to take matters into their own hands and actually aim. It basically introduces an entire new build to summoner, more focused on survivability and your own aiming, with your sentries giving some minimal backup damage as well.
Making the Shinobi Infiltrator (and monk) set Rogue is for consistency reasons, as well as making sense for the style of armor and appearance.
Essentially, the idea is consistency. The Forbidden Set wanted to incentivize hybrid play, and so do the DD2 Armors, and it's a right shame that they don't get the same amount of love, especially when it would give more emphasis to a largely forgotten and overshadowed event in general, and open up so many more options for hybrid summoner play.
golden narwhal
They were pinged quite a bit (or at least twice)
golden narwhal
O yea, first one wasn't a ping, byea
heady storm
ashen warren
hollow shell
smh Chetto you were there before and after the ping, why didn't ya notice
heady storm
I'm blind, sorry.
dapper coral
Damn I missed that one too
In the future if y’all notice that something breaks the donts and the sugger hasn’t gotten back yet, just ping one of us to add the thingy
dry latch
yeah I was planning to do that but got distracted lol
heady storm
Yeah honestly, don't hesitate to ping a suggestion moderator about it, we don't bite.
subtle oracle
why would you bite when you're helping
surreal furnace
He asked me what new chiefs will be in calamity and I even came up with a jejee
tawny garden
gray nebula
what
hollow idol
uhh
dapper coral
Translation funnies iirc
serene fox
what
hollow idol
no new classes?
cobalt pewter
dapper coral
They said they were Argentinian and using a translator
cobalt pewter
This do be a moment
pastel terrace
By chiefs, do they mean bosses?
gray nebula
(mech class will never see the day because rogue took the spot)
pastel terrace
Bruh when will mage v2 electric boogaloo this time they have defence come out
hollow idol
be thorium and have 2 classes then
ashen warren
uh can we get that post deleted
heady storm
Sure I suppose.
ashen warren
it would be quite the funny if it got approved by the bot
heady storm
@surreal furnace
- Wrong channel for that.
- No from what I'm apparent on.
tawny garden
Translation funnies iirc
hydraulic ram → water sheep
surreal furnace
1 sorry I thought it was a channel to give calamity ideas 2 it would do a kind of sentinels
hollow idol
this "guardian class" is basically already done by summons like the sun spirit and blossom lines
heady storm
@dapper coral I'm just gonna call you, I don't think I could explain how to properly sugg stuff without writing a college essay.
surreal furnace
Yes, but we would only use sentinels or backup guardians.
dapper coral
Which, among other things, states that no new classes are allowed
pastel terrace
^^^
I kinda wanna see the bot auto approve that sugg tho, just to see what happens
dapper coral
What’ll happen is I’ll delete it
ashen warren
ouch
pastel terrace
surreal furnace
A new pre skeletron boss?
ashen warren
bosses are a don't
dapper coral
Try not to spam emotes pls
ashen warren
Don't suggest for the sake of suggesting, think of actual things you want changed
tawny garden
Demik, that's my strategy smh I want them to finally read stuff
dapper coral
but like, mods will eat you
tawny garden
@surreal furnace this is a list of everything you shouldn't suggest https://docs.google.com/document/d/1OA3GxJ4w4QA4pCkngwt8kqW8Qq18U5KOCUJEucUS8ck/edit?usp=sharing
ashen warren
surreal furnace
Sorry
ashen warren
so you do bite
surreal furnace
It is difficult to write in the translator as I speak Spanish and it is very difficult to understand them
ashen warren
I can attempt to simplify them for better translation odds
surreal furnace
Simplifying wat
ashen warren
the don'ts in the document
surreal furnace
Ok
ashen warren
hellstone is used in statigel armor
heady storm
Okay please stop for a second and take other suggestions as a reference. @surreal furnace
Okay that doesn't really help if I'm being honest, Oculus.
heady storm
I meant for them to actually take a look at suggs in #suggestions-voting as an example of how these should be formatted and whatnot.
It's alright, byeah.
ashen warren
Translation is quite awkward, based on the context I think it is a pickaxe made of corrupt/crimson pick plus aeralite capable of mining hellstone?
However I did inform him about sequence breaks, so idk
dry latch
but why and how does that relate to the armor?
ashen warren
it doesn't?
It is confusing, as hellstone is already used in statigel armor
I guess he wants hellstone post perf/hive mind?
golden narwhal
What is this
ashen warren
But then the armor line would not make sense
golden narwhal
From what I'm deciphering, this is also two suggs in one
ashen warren
and second is about statigel armor?
dry latch
second sugg is about having statigel use molten armor (instead of hellstone bars prolly to reduce redundancy of grinding the bars?)
golden narwhal
The former seems to veer somewhat far into vanilla changing imo
The latter is weird considering molten is melee and statigel is all classes
surreal furnace
Or better to make the armor of gold and platinum give for a small probability of 1.2 percent platinum and gold COINS
dry latch
you don't even need money early game. there's nothing good to buy
late pre-hm up till endgame, you can just farm bosses
ashen warren
use this channel to workshop your idea before posting
dry latch
should prolly do that in the dms
ashen warren
sry
surreal furnace
Al final mis ideas son op pero no son lo suficientemente para este mod
golden narwhal
Uhhh
ashen warren
uh oh
dry latch
your ideas aren't sufficient for the mod?
golden narwhal
Confusing confused confusion
ashen warren
his ideas are good, but not right for this mod?
dry latch
not sure about good, but definitely not for the mod yeah. unless he can give a stronger reason, I just can't see it happening, sorry
ashen warren
you need to suggest ideas that really matter, not just random ideas
surreal furnace
Ok no se preocupen al menos entienden mi idioma español de alienígena daré mi mejor esfuerzo que algunas de mis ideas salgan con el mod xd
golden narwhal
That explains weird English
golden narwhal
Use English please
surreal furnace
The translator put me in normal English but I don't know which xd
ashen warren
That is ok
golden narwhal
ashen warren
You shouldn't try to make ideas for this mod, suggestions are for small changes to improve the mod
golden narwhal
Uhh
surreal furnace
It feels like it will speak English xd
ashen warren
If you want to make new ideas, learn how to code and make a mod
suggestions are for small changes or basic ideas to improve calamity
golden narwhal
Rephrasing: don't sugg stuff for the sake of it
Make sure it has a valid reason than 'It'd be cool'
ashen warren
If you are going to make a suggestion, talk about the idea here first
surreal furnace
How about a bug that breaks the game I don't remember what it is but is tha one that gives you extra projectiles?
ashen warren
that is a don't
golden narwhal
heady storm
Okay I'm just gonna have to ask you to stop for now @surreal furnace.
surreal furnace
Ok
ashen warren
watch and learn how other people make suggestions before posting anymore
golden narwhal
Suggs really just need reasons (and correct formatting)
ashen warren
you need reasoning, there are other accesories for building already, calamity isn't designed to be building, plus it is a vanilla change on an object that already has a function
golden narwhal
It's also two suggs in one
hollow idol
"Calamity isn't designed to be building"
Love spending hours making arenas
golden narwhal
Wait, nvm, it's more like buff mining armor, ig
Wait, nvm my nvm, last sentence area exists
dry latch
if you want builder armor, just use summoner armor lol
ashen warren
"Give the Brimstone Elemental a wider array of attacks."
technically every boss pre ml needs a wider range of attacks
golden narwhal
stares at cryogen and ravager
heady storm
sand umbra
I wholeheartedly agree
but also the conversation that sparked the sugg was about Brimbo specifically
gray nebula
MECH CLASS MECH CLASS MECH CLASS MECH CLASS
hazy mural
if only we could
gray nebula
suggestion isnt rly valid tho
hazy mural
FRICK
violet dagger
Formatted wrong also
violet dagger
Come up with a title for the Sugg and separate it from the rest of the sugg
distant gyro
**text**
violet dagger
You don't need to bold
hazy mural
ok i think it's fixed
cobalt pewter
Iban wanting to approve tf outta the sugg but the sugg is improper: 
tawny garden
what is this sugg and why is it not exclamated yet
it's been 40 minutes
@wooden wedge
tawny garden
(I wasn't accusing you specifically)
wooden wedge
I know
radiant meadow
Flamsteed is only overcomplicated as fuck because it's a dev weapon.
Using dedicated items for reasoning is 
fossil finch
Also there's no reasoning at all
"It would be cool"
strong shell
not sure if this was already suggested already but how about the bottled elementals in the vanity place be able to be seen?
white canyon
The recent suggestion is really good
The diagonal hell blasts that are messing up my Scal no hits
Pls fix 
( only if it gets enough votes )
violet dagger
Also make her have a slight cooldown before attacking after bullet hells
I've gotten times where a bullet hell ends and she instantly charges at me
Very fun 
golden narwhal
This sounds like 'add a vanilla balancing config'
Which falls under grand-scale rework iirc
ashen warren
No it’s just stat Changes nothing major
golden narwhal
Stat changes are still somewhat major if it applies to everything
dapper coral
sounds pretty major to me
you're asking to change the stats of literally everything in the game
wooden wedge
there's a lot of other content mods
it'd be near impossible to balance calamity for all of them
let alone a few
sturdy geyser
jUsT NeRF EveRY WeApOn
ashen warren
It’s meant to make to so it doesn’t break every mod
golden narwhal
^
wooden wedge
(or any)
ashen warren
And when you add calamity to a mod pack I never use the other mods content
Because calamity is just too op
golden narwhal
Again, refer to above
wooden wedge
anyway, my point is that you should take a look at this page https://calamitymod.gamepedia.com/Weapons and see why your sugg wouldn't be easy to implement
golden narwhal
Add armors, accs, enemies, and bosses to that, and uh
fossil finch
And, sometimes, functions
ashen warren
Mostly it’s the bosses having too much health, weopens do too damage and Amor nerds
ashen warren
They should add a least some compatibility with the big mods
rose jewel
just play other mods without calamity and then it’s balanced
sand umbra
so
the main reason that Calamity being balanced with other mods is never going to happen
ashen warren
No without calamity it’s boring and no cosmologjt
sand umbra
is because Calamity is simply too far disconnected from standard balance curvature as it is
it's balanced in a contextual vacuum, yes
wooden wedge
if anything just ask the other mod devs to balance around calamity
sand umbra
but it is incredibly disconnected from all other standards, primarily due to balancing around a mode that only exists in Calamity's context
to rebalance the mod to suit more standard balance curvaature, while ideal, would require nothing short of the second coming of Hercules in the form of a testing team
fossil finch
they'll get mad and throw a 300 pages explanaiton of why calamity is bad and you shouldn't play it and how it's poorly balaned
ashen warren
It is poprly balanced it needs to have nerfs
dapper coral
this conversation is going nowhere
golden narwhal
No
ashen warren
Nerf everything
fossil finch
It's poorly balanced when compared to another mods progression
dapper coral
i'm just gonna delete the sugg
sleek turret
so, first of all, don't mix content mods.
fossil finch
Period
golden narwhal
It's balanced around itself
tawny garden
this is one of the most generic suggs that I've ever seen
sleek turret
second, read #other-mod-talk pins.
fossil finch
And "nerf everything" just can't happen
And if you want that so badly, make calamity addon #3728477 that nerfs everything and test it yourself
tawny garden
ashen warren
Yo that’s actually a good idea someone make that
north plank
ashen warren
Someone make a mod the will balance calamity to be normal
sleek turret
make it yourself then.
fossil finch
Yeah
ashen warren
Idk how to
sturdy geyser
learn
tawny garden
learn
dapper coral
mmkay, we can stop talking about this now
tawny garden
this has gone quite offtopic
ashen warren
I’ll look it up maybe there’s one
sand umbra
yeah this is gonna need to wrap up right about now as it's not about a sugg
movin' on to the suggestion rather recent: hasn't this already been suggested multiple times
(and generally ways to make Bloodworms more obtainable)
fossil finch
Probably
alpine flax
honestly im just at OD in a pt, and ranted about it in a server, then someone told me to make a sugg about it so i did lol
sleek turret
does bloodworm die when it touches an enemy?
alpine flax
i have no clue tbh
ive seen it run into enemies unharmed, and ive seen them spawn and very quickly unspawn
whether that be it despawning or dying is unknown to me
tawny garden
the sugg can stay whether or not if it has been suggested already
sleek turret
if yes, then maybe its ok, if not, use invisible + zerg/ultimate battler
tawny garden
it will just be marked with ☑️
alpine flax
maulers exist
as well as AS
they're the main barrier for getting bloodworms via ultimate battler or zerg
violet dagger
Well I scrolled around and found a Sugg that should be 🏁
#suggestions-voting message
tawny garden
@hollow shell flag
dapper coral
i can do it
hollow shell
Nice
tawny garden
((also I noticed that every fucking single emoji sugg mentions that we still have emoji slots))
dapper coral
emote suggs have some very iffy reasoning
tawny garden
prolly cause they need a padding reason
dapper coral
due to the nature of the sugg
tawny garden
ye, but the paradoxical thing is that pretty much every emoji sugg was implemented
ashen warren
latest ones haven't even gotten past 150 i think
tawny garden
I can only remember one that wasn't, someone sugged :CalPog: and only a few people starred that
ashen warren
pog what
ashen warren
that's hq
dapper coral
bro we literally talked about this
ashen warren
It’s different
tawny garden
no
violet dagger
Someone made a mod called calam nerfs
tawny garden
it will take an extreme amount of time and effort to execute
ashen warren
No it’s just a nerf scale
dapper coral
i don't think you understand how nerf balancing works
tawny garden
sad tester noises
dapper coral
but i'm not gonna argue with you because we've already talked about this
dapper coral
don't suggest something when multiple people have already told you not to because it's not gonna happen
ashen warren
How am I supposed to play this then with the balance
dapper coral
you don't
earnest vine
afaik the mod is not supposed to be played with other mods
dapper coral
calamity is meant to be played as the only content mod
if you decide to mix content mods with calamity, that's on you
ashen warren
Why won’t they add support
violet dagger
Because it's a lot of work that's not worth it
tawny garden
all big content mods aren't designed around other mods
all of them
just that with other mods, the problems are smaller
dapper coral
calamity especially so
because the whole mod is balanced around a calamity-specific gamemode
tawny garden
Calamity is the biggest mod, so it has more problems than other mods
rose jewel
For the blood worms one I think it’s good a cool recipe would be a truffle worm and blood orbs or cores
unreal star
shouldn’t the rogue to melee conversion suggestion be bluechecked?
i remember seeing it a couple weeks ago
tawny garden
no
unreal star
ah alright
cobalt pewter
I kinda wanna suggest to add a lot more rogue variety, and in turn, stealth rogue variety in general post Yharon
Rogue only has 3 weapons, 1 usable on stealth
violet dagger
ye stealth post yharon is
cobalt pewter
Legit boring as shit
violet dagger
it could be applied easily to supernova to make it viable
celestus imo is fine as is
and plasma grenades
idk
cobalt pewter
I could definitely do celestus, but I don't feel like to because it gets real boring doing only one weapon
craggy stratus
plasma grenade is walmart supernova
cobalt pewter
Yeah I don't get T4 and T5 rogue arsenals as well
Like
Why
Why do these exist in the first place
craggy stratus
i know that the T4 is for SW
violet dagger
plasma grenades are to punish players who are too lazy to grind for anything else
cobalt pewter
Also the patreon donator item rules bans auric tier weapons because too many ppl suggested that
Like
Fucking
Why auric in general
Melee is the one fucking bloated
lmao
violet dagger
it's dedicated
craggy stratus
oh wait there arent any suggestion related to this convo, frick
violet dagger
violet dagger
thomas already nailed everything
dapper coral
mmmyeah you should probably suggest it first before having a convo bout it
craggy stratus
ok now we can discuss about it
cobalt pewter
Yes
cobalt pewter
But I do notice they never explored on other weapon types so far
Melee gets mfn everything
craggy stratus
2 bombs, and 1 boomerang for rogue
craggy stratus
idk about daggers, could be really hard to make it feel not underwhelming on scal
bricks
cobalt pewter
I probably shoulda remove boomerang since cele is a boomerang
craggy stratus
bomb and grenade is the same category right, bombing
craggy stratus
true
unreal viper
shhh
cobalt pewter
Byeah
unreal viper
You'll find out soon enough.
cobalt pewter
Rogue and stealth rogue gets insanely unfun post Yharon
rose jewel
yeah Celestus is good but variety would be cool
cobalt pewter
The Yharon fight itself is actually fun
Like
I had a fucking great time with dragon scales, venerated, eclipse fall and exec blade
craggy stratus
spiky balls is another type of rogue weapon
cobalt pewter
Ah yes
craggy stratus
exo spiky
unreal viper
Try to get cal to hit a spikey ball.
unreal viper
It's true melee all over agaiun
craggy stratus
i think fantasy talisman-type of rogue would be nice
cobalt pewter
lmao but it can actually work ngl
But anyway
I also kinda get a weird idea on dragon scales post Yharon
Basically giving it a revive post Yharon
craggy stratus
exo-bouncing eyeball
cobalt pewter
lmaooo
So once the player takes a fatal blow, they won't die and start regaining HP rapidly
Taking hit during the regen kills ya
craggy stratus
exo-scourge of the devourer is the only thing i can think of
zenith hazel
cobalt pewter
so apparently, usability is determined by stealth now
Idk about this statement chief, makes it sound like stealth is a second-thought gimmick, unless it's designed as so
glass sentinel
when it was first implemented it was kinda meh and ben even said so
but its been buffed now
cobalt pewter
I'm interested in how ozza wanted to rework stealth
glass sentinel
so some weps can murder bosses by only using stealth
cobalt pewter
So I'm just gon wait for that
zenith hazel
yes but you shouldn't judge how good a weapon is solely based on stealth
glass sentinel
^
zenith hazel
what you're implying is that plasma grenades and supernova suck because their stealth strikes suck
and that statement is also flimsy at best
glass sentinel
bc stealth isnt meant to be the main thing rogue weps use
it should be kinda heavy damage or support
cobalt pewter
what you're implying is that plasma grenades and supernova suck because their stealth strikes suck
Well I did change this to "less consistent" instead of "suck" effectively, but I guess they kinda are. I'd probably try the two on spam later
Anyway, back to Dragon Scales, I really wanted to suggest it, but there's too much revives in auric tesla already
neat copper
Calamity Merch?
It would be a nice way of being able to support you all for your hardwork
violet dagger
radiant star
not sure if this was said already but it has a post prov upgrade
violet dagger
ye I'd be interested in an upgrade of shattered sun
neat copper
Post DoG?
violet dagger
naming it isn't allowed
cobalt pewter
And yes, naming isn't allowed
radiant meadow
I think he wants plushie merch?
serene fox
bwhy?
violet dagger
why not
radiant meadow
I bet people would buy plushies if we had them.
cobalt pewter
I mean, why not
unreal viper
DoG worm stuffed animal
sand umbra
something something Cosmic Plushie IRL
cobalt pewter
Plushies make a good money if you have some memorable characters to turn into
low comet
Problem with plushies is:
producing them
radiant meadow
I would rather spend my money on plushies of other designs but...
cobalt pewter
I'd say wait for scal resprite to consider it
unreal viper
But uh.
violet dagger
scal plushie 
unreal viper
Not sure if this is allowed for Suggs
radiant meadow
and ye, I don't know exactly how plushies could be made with a profit.
It's been suggested before I think.
low comet
I agree with this, but finding someone willing to make them could be hard
violet dagger
yes
cobalt pewter
y e s
violet dagger
and then some tech genius is gonna figure out a way to put a robot in it and make it go crab rave
low comet
I doubt Calamity has enough of a following for plushies
cuz game merch is generally only if it's huge
violet dagger
ye it is biggest mod
but still
plushies are a big thing
mousepads are enough for now
radiant meadow
T-shirts would be easier to do than plushies I bet.
violet dagger
plushies are hard
cobalt pewter
cursed idea: cal body pillow
violet dagger
:echceasebegone:
low comet
fossil finch
Like i like her but that's waay to much comon
No horny here
pine star
Cal eyeball pillow
radiant meadow
@fervent finch You should make it a tad more clear you mean new merchandise to complement the mousepads (assuming you meant that).
You should also remove the lines on self deprecation to your own ideas.
pine star
Yeah
neat copper
There are calamity mousepads?
low comet
Mhm
neat copper
Does ir have the logo
low comet
Think so
low comet
wait
they don't have the logo
but if you wanna see them they're on youpads
it's DoG, Yharon, and two ones for Providence
fervent finch
wait there are mouse pad ??
hollow idol
hollow idol
shoutouts to old trident
cobalt pewter
Snap Clam, Trident, Conch
violet dagger
neat copper
I feel like they just get outshadowed by a lot of the weapons I have at that point.
cobalt pewter
Trident is pretty godlike at that point
violet dagger
ye but most weps do need some reworks
cobalt pewter
Snap Clam is based as flip on stealth
neat copper
I don't think the conch is all that good tbh the hermits ai sucks
cobalt pewter
And hermit deletes Crab and EoW on the correct setups
violet dagger
the shell shooter is an interesting concept but isn't viable
sinful steeple
Hermit is really bad and like after three boss fights you get god himself as a summon
cobalt pewter
Since hermit AI is indeed kinda ech
neat copper
They literally don't attack when I'm like 5 feet in front of the boss
hollow shell
Jesus Christ four suggestions in 15 minutes
cobalt pewter
The fastest sugg in the West
sinful steeple
Seems kinda pointless honestly
violet dagger
it's just something that's bothered me for a time
sinful steeple
Also I mean it's not like boss drops have to make 100% sense, I don't imagine that DoG has excelsus stashed away in its segments
violet dagger
but this is basically the perfect application for it
sinful steeple
Crown jewel being a droppable item honestly makes more sense than most boss drops
violet dagger
since the item is literally attacking you
low comet
Excelsus is just DoG's teeth
sinful steeple
Okay norfleet then
low comet
norfleet is the DoG shitter
fervent finch
is my sugg correct
like english is not my native langage
idk if I spelled something wrong or badly ?
violet dagger
the
Thx for reading 😄
is unnecessary but it's fine to stay
fervent finch
I wanted to say it bc my idea is nearly a troll
i said something unnecessary so I thanked people that waisted their time on it
:D
sand umbra
I like this latest sugg
it's one of those things that really has no bearing on the battle whatsoever but adds that nice little personal touch
"but Thomas what about Armage--"
- why do you need multiple Crown Jewels
b) drops multiple in Armageddon. bam
cobalt pewter
b)
Bruh
But on b, direct drops aren't affected by arma anyways
So take it or leave it
sand umbra
then w/e, Armageddon is dumb anyway
radiant meadow
You would have to pass that by Amber.
and PSA guardians are getting nerfed next update.
neat copper
What?
Really?
I feel like Profaned Guardians needed a buff lol
same with sentinels
neat copper
Ohhh
sour ruin
damn just read the "don't"s of suggestions
glad I didn't suggest adding more summoner content lmao (mostly meaning an ass ton of new weapons such as another auric summoner weapon, armor sets are good imo)
that would definitely take a very long and f*cking annoying amount of time
sand umbra
you say that but take a gander at how many summons have come into existence within the past 2 major updates (Acid Rain and RnD)
literally became a whole-ass class in that relatively short timespan
hollow shell
m, I think that we have just about doubled our summon weapon count
if not more
whole sedge
Yeah pre acid rain and rnd summoner was lacking and now it's a lot better for sure
sour ruin
my bad
distant gyro
1.4.3. is the actual summoner expansion
sour ruin
I think I was mainly thinking around golem
wait nvm
wait shit that was a total f*cking screw up on my side
there are a lot more summoning weapons from these updates now that I think about it
I'm sorry
dapper coral
we all have those days
radiant meadow
I wouldn't call hellstone scarce
when there's more hellstone in one world than there is of any other phm ore
unreal star
most of it is under the lava ocean tho
unique reef
That's what Obsidian Potions are for
ashen warren
Kinda annoying to mine for when you can farm everything else
soft ledge
so how long, on average, does a suggestion stay in voting before being either discarded or acted upon? is it diffrent for suggestions related to the server rather than the game?
cobalt pewter
They're immortalized in voting
Only suggs that reach the star limit will be reviewed by the devs
hollow shell
which is 200 stars, currently
soft ledge
crap, i really wanted a second advice channel
dapper coral
if it hasn't reached the threshold after a week, you can repost the suggestion
subtle oracle
The stars your sugg has garnered also reset when you repost your sugg, the current one that is
Maybe you posted yours sugg at a bad time? When everyone was asleep or smth
hollow shell
I mean, if the suggestion only got 80ish stars the first time around, I don't think it'll be able to reach 200 at the second time around
Unless you boost up and change your reasoning a bunch
ashen warren
damn this has been suggested a lot lately
dapper coral
there have been like 2-3 suggestions about this exact same idea within the past week or two
hollow shell
dapper coral
i wonder why everyone is noticing it now lol
rose jewel
sorry I didn’t see it I was reposting mine from like 2 weeks ago that got 170
ashen warren
i assume some youtuber made a video/comment about it or smth
cuz same thing happened with tyranny's end
rose jewel
Idk I posted it after I kept dying to Scal
ashen warren
fair enough
rose jewel
I kept noticing it while I was fighting and raged so I posted it
tawny garden
where
hollow shell
???
tawny garden
and..?
clever valve
im probably overthinking this
tawny garden
Fab doesn't care about sugg channels
clever valve
true
hollow shell
Yeah I don't think he ever opens these channels ever
tawny garden
he doesn't see any suggs, unless they're delivered
hollow shell
That's why we have the Star and delivery system
Hell, I don't think he even looks at the delivered suggestions . _.
dapper coral
he made a changelog recently about slowing down perf worms, which is what i assume you're referring to
clever valve
yes
dapper coral
i don't think he looks here ever, unless he's pinged
which is never
so, i highly doubt that
clever valve
my sugg made voting
tawny garden
he does rarely
clever valve
then again it only got 53 stars
clever valve
true
tawny garden
and he prolly just misclicked or smth
clever valve
bruh
hollow shell
Question @neat copper
Why "rework" the Amidias weapons and not "buff" them, if your concern is that you get weapons too soon that are "better" than them?
ashen warren
i mean, psa was kinda designed around tarragon+ in mind, were it to be available for stardust, then the extra minion slot could easily be enough to require balancing which just sounds like a headache tbh
hollow shell
You can edit
marble mirage
i said i would post this one after a bit, and here it is
hopefully i wrote it at least decently
craggy stratus
i like this suggestion
ashen warren
why add a crafting recipe for something amidias sells 
hollow shell
Attempting OD before you kill him
ashen warren
was bloodworm obtainment not changed to be pre-od death but post t3 clear?
i thought that was gna be a thing
hollow shell
Still sold by Amidias post-OD
mint orchid
I think that the bloodsoaked crasher & bloodstone dragon summon need to have the bloodstone requirement nerfed
radiant meadow
That would be why you made the suggestion, no?
cobalt pewter
@marble mirage
Along with that, some previous shrines already got did get changed to be...
Got or did get. Not both of them
marble mirage
thanks again
cobalt pewter
np
hollow shell
I would personally dislike the Distorted option but the other two seem aight
cobalt pewter
I'm just giving options yes
I'm personally iffy with the distorted one as well
Since it can arguably be meta vs vortex pillar
But it's more of the problem with the debuff imo
hollow shell
My gripe is with functional focus, that it affecting the debuff will be a wholly unrelated effect appended onto it
Though I get that Distorted pertains to vertical movement, so if boots were to affect any debuff that one is pretty fitting
I think that jump speed and adding to the slam are more focused to the accessory tho
hollow shell
s'just my signature pet peeve™️, you could keep if you want
Plenty of accessories have multiple separate functions.. even if I'm not a huge fan of it
cobalt pewter
Na no worries, I was kinda iffy with that distorted part as well, so it's no biggie for me to yeet it
hollow shell
okie
frail mantle
More jump height would make sense, since that’s what it does in RoR2
(As well as the ground pound)
golden narwhal
Tbh, I'd specify further in the heading to 'King Slime's Jewel', since it's most associated with KS
cobalt pewter
^
Also maybe specify what mode do you want that to be in
Since there's a bit of a complicated rule on suggs to buff earlygame bosses
I'm down with that change in dmode
And that might not break the don't
But idk
finite drift
do u mean that this should be in Dmode only?
cobalt pewter
Lemme get the rule in a sec
finite drift
yey
hollow shell
My gripe with this sugg is that he's too specific in his lower half
hollow shell
i.e. '3 to 5 seconds' and 'last for 6 seconds'
finite drift
after 3 - 5 normal shots it will shot an infernal bolt
and it`ll make explosion for 6 seconds
i mean
hollow shell
Actually that whole lower half should probably be consolidated into one sentence
And then some reason added for it
finite drift
i`m not so good in English tbh
hollow shell
It's the fact that you're giving a specific idea for buffing the jewel which is a problem
You can reword it in a less specific and more general way
cobalt pewter
hollow shell
👍
finite drift
i dont really understand 
golden narwhal
Oki
Make the last solution less specific with values and such, e.g. "Have it create an explosion (like the Inferno Fork) occasionally" and list it as an example instead of the definite solution
cobalt pewter
Refer to the sugg above yours
golden narwhal
I feel like this is still specific
cobalt pewter
@finite drift it's not "needs"
The devs have no obligation to make that exact change
golden narwhal
Prolly put it under examples
And replace 'once per 3 to 5 shots' with 'occasionally' or smth
finite drift
@cobalt pewter edited, i just had no idea how to text it other way.
sleek turret
eh?
craggy stratus
@ashen lark your suggestion needs proper grammar and phrasing
craggy stratus
no one could understand what you are trying to say
ashen lark
Nerf pwnagehammer/aquatic scourge/ buff anahita&leviathan
(Possibly normal only)Was doing normal mode playthrough to get used to mod, couldn't do aquatic scourge so progressed further(till I got pwnage hammer) when trying to get shark fins (for seafood)got ??? spawn so attempted fight and won. Pre plantera. 1 needs to be nerfed as I can easily do leviathan pre plantera but not aquatic scourge after a few fights when I'm meant to beat it.
@ashen lark
Any better
sleek turret
So, for what I understood, from the title, a nerf for:
- Pwnagehammer (or something spelled like that, can't remember well)
- Aquatic Scourge
And a buff for: - Levithan & Anahita. (before plantera, intended progression is post-plantera.)
craggy stratus
i dont see any pwnagehammer's reasoning
ashen lark
So, for what I understood, from the title, a nerf for:
- Pwnagehammer (or something spelled like that, can't remember well)
- Aquatic Scourge
And a buff for:- Levithan & Anahita. (before plantera, intended progression is post-plantera.)
@sleek turret one of them
craggy stratus
you also only says that AS needed nerf, not which part of fight is too unfair
the same goes for leviathan, too easy
sleek turret
yes.
ashen lark
you also only says that AS needed nerf, not which part of fight is too unfair
@craggy stratus I beat leviathan pre-plantera first attempt(of the mod as a whole, never done it before) but can't beat AS
well haven't attempted with pwnage yet,gonna try soon.
craggy stratus
ashen lark
Trying to get seafood but no luck on shark fin spawns
craggy stratus
sleek turret
well, you can use battler potion for sharks, not hard at all.
craggy stratus
which part of AS fight is too hard, that it need nerfed
ashen lark
which part of AS fight is too hard, that it need nerfed
@craggy stratus deals too much damage and too much projectiles. Prob also speed.
ashen warren
*many
craggy stratus
and you want to nerf them in normal mode
ashen lark
Yea sorry.
and you want to nerf them in normal mode
@craggy stratus no my experience is in normal is what I'm saying
craggy stratus
hmm
sleek turret
well, think about other difficulties that change AI completly, expert, revengeance, death.
craggy stratus
about levi, it is post plantera tier, so the weapon wont have that big of dps jump
ashen lark
I cant get sharks for some reason
ashen warren
sleek turret
ask questions on #help-advice-read-pins or #calamity-mod-talk
ashen lark
about levi, it is post plantera tier, so the weapon wont have that big of dps jump
@craggy stratus I'm just saying I was struggling with as but have no problem with levi
Shouldn't be like that
ashen warren
AS and Levi are different mechanic wise, I personally find Levi loads harder
AS is a bullet hell, whilst Levi is a pattern based boss
craggy stratus
basically
ashen lark
May be pwnage hammer then but idk
Ig I had a lot of practice on perfarators
And cryogen
golden narwhal
Yea ... this feels like essentially 3 suggs in one
sleek turret
Yeah, that was the thing I was thinking when the suggestion popped out.
golden narwhal
@ashen lark try and narrow it down to one of your points, since above (maybe bring back the sugg later if you can't decide rn)
ashen lark
The thing is all 3 of those would work to balance it.
I think they work as well as each other.
rocky needle
How might I word a suggestion about buffing the Terrarian yoyo? The Microwave, a Deus tier yoyo, does significantly more dps and is much easier to obtain.
rose jewel
It’s because your in normal mode
rocky needle
I'm in rev
frail mantle
use both vs prov with pre-prov tier gear and compare how long they both take to kill her/how long it takes for them to reach a certain point in the fight if you don't want to do the whole fight
rose jewel
No @ashen lark
rocky needle
ah right, sorry
cobalt pewter
@rocky needle record kill times of both weapons vs a certain boss (easiest would be providence yes)
rocky needle
I'm coming up to Provi soon, so that sounds fine to me. I'll return with data
cobalt pewter
Oki
What I heard is that the issue with the Terrarian is the iframes
But a test would be good
restive yew
@ashen lark stop playing normal mode wtf
ashen warren
let them play in whatever difficulty they want
tawny garden
they can't suggest a balancing change based on normal mode
tawny garden
@ashen lark all balancing in calamity mod is done around Revengeance Mode. Please provide kill times on bosses in Revengeance in your suggestion.
@void kelp exclamate that sugg pls
void kelp
can do
tawny garden
ty
restive yew
Here some choccy milk because you're epic
void kelp
also your suggestion has three separate components
a suggestion should have only one part to it
hollow shell
That suggestion is kind of a mess
I don't think it's bad to suggest that there be changes made to balancing in Normal mode
just because we traditionally balance in Rev doesn't mean that we should ignore balance problems all other modes
but
this suggestion is a little strange and hard to follow
faint needle
finite drift
Atlantis can kill RevMode The Profaned Guardians without any problem, is this normal?
i can just cut out the moment that i`ve recorded and show u this
craggy stratus
it isnt normal, at all
hollow shell
Sure send the clip
finite drift
ok, lemme few minutes
i was under several buffs, but they aren`t so good to deal that damage
violet dagger
It's supposed to be like that
finite drift
this is atlantis
violet dagger
If it was the full fight it would be long
finite drift
craggy stratus
what is the dps
finite drift
@violet dagger is wasn`t, but at this guardian i wanted to use this
@craggy stratus 1400-1500
craggy stratus
is that full glass build
hollow shell
I mean, it doesn't look like great DPS
I guess it's still more than a Levi wep should be doing to Profaned Guardians
craggy stratus
because i noticed there arent any nebula setbonus lying around
finite drift
@craggy stratus i playing mage, with hydrothermic armor, absorber, mana flower, Asgards Valor, Seraph Tracers, Sigil of Calamitas , Deific Amulet and Ambrosial Ampoule
radiant meadow
and how fast is something like ele ray or nuclear fury?
craggy stratus
full menancing i assume
craggy stratus
wowie
violet dagger
Nerf incoming
finite drift
should i suggest it?