Flares look cooler
#suggestions-discussion
sand umbra
bruh they don't even look like flares
flares are not that cleanly shaped and are decidedly more orange because they're still made of fire
hollow shell
No I mean like lens flares
which is incidentally why all "star" shapes look the way they do in real life
sand umbra
bruhhh
verbal osprey
how do you craft a plant?
clever canopy
People really out here wanting a crafting recipe for every item
tawny garden
(sorry about my dumb jokes)
as I said, it doesn't make sense, but it's apparently possible in the world of Calamity, cause Life Fruit are craftable
(or removing/reworking that recipe is an another option)
unreal star
tbh just download a mod that makes the dye trader sell it
fiery rapids
@hollow shell i know that suggesting that more calamity bars are placeable is basically a don't, but if sprites for the bars were included would that change anything?
if the sprites were approved by iban or some other person of course
tawny garden
I might be thinking of something else, but iirc they already have the sprites
distant gyro
shouldn't that be in the art server
tawny garden
also sprite submissions should go to the art server
distant gyro
sprite submissions
fiery rapids
i was asking here since they're listed in the dont's google doc
hollow shell
You could submit them in the art server I guess
We've had more than one collection of placed bars submitted in the past, never got implemented for some reason
Slipped the programmers' minds, or was just really really low priority
tawny garden
So you're bootleg Rover in the Art server?
gray nebula
, but meaner
tawny garden
I'm sticking to here then
fiery rapids
that emote is kinda terrifying
ashen warren
gaunt quest
Is that even in the right structure lol isn't the top part supposed to be bolded
tawny garden
no
sturdy geyser
it definitely lacks reasoning
tawny garden
bold title isn't necessary
byeah, the reason isn't convincing
it's just
Atm the lore is kinda Useless
gaunt quest
Well most people do than bold title but yah that suggestion is kinda lacking good reasoning
hollow shell
@gloomy ridge Your reason could be elaborated more
gloomy ridge
Yea i guess
I just feel all the other Lore items are actually sometimes used and these just sort of sit there
Plus you dont really need 3 identical lore
tawny garden
(they stack tho)
gloomy ridge
Even still extra grab range can sometimes get annoying
Plus there not that good compared to others
Like planteras could grant you the Dryads blessing buff (improved)
At the cost of reduced damage to your plant matter weakaning you.
hollow idol
gloomy ridge
@hollow idol sorry did not know that existed
tawny garden
ashen warren
i did
tawny garden
Title
Reason
hollow shell
(pins in the posting channel, not this channel)
ashen warren
i know
hollow shell
Yeah you need a separate line
shift+enter
hollow shell
Yes like that
Your top line should probably be more descriptive, so that it includes the actual change that you want
And also you should have a bit more to your reason, cuz that is not what "quality of life" means. It has no gameplay impact that makes your life easier.
ashen warren
quality of life is relative, it has varied meanings, i am sorry if mine does not match yours
hollow shell
nnnno I don't think that's how that works
NPCs moving out of the way of chests when you're nearby, so that you can open chests easier, is quality of life
hollow shell
You can say that it'd be a pleasing aesthetic change, that it'd be consistent with the transition from PreHM to HM (which you do but could still be more descriptive about), and it'd be a good detail for Calamity to implement to signify the significant world change
ashen warren
okay
hollow shell
(You can repost with a more expanded reason whenever you want)
rapid pivot
Any thoughts on my sugg?
hollow shell
"It takes up a summon slot"
The armor accounts for that, it has +1 minion slot for specifically the mechworm
tawny garden
it takes up a buff slot
rapid pivot
Fair enough, removed as a reason.
hollow shell
Buff slot argument is valid if you're someone who cares a lot about buff slots
rapid pivot
but yeah the big one is the buff slot
auric tesla actually takes up 2 buff slots; the silva crystal is just more useful if you're not using mechworms
and tbh, the buff slot thing is way more of an issue for summoners than any other class because of what happens if you get too many
hollow shell
That's true
tawny garden
give Auric Tesla armor a +2 buff slot increase
hollow shell
rapid pivot
buff slot increasing mods are things of terror to code iirc
violet dagger
Buff slot limit is annoying
At least someone managed to make a working mod that bypasses it 
fiery rapids
there's a mod that removes the limit, but it also removes the tooltip of the buffs and possibly causes frame rate issues
fiery rapids
thanks
i didnt know there was another just point there was one in case that it might be helpful
rapid pivot
Either way, any other issues with my sugg?
violet dagger
Nope it's fine
clever canopy
Tbh I don't think anything from armor or accessories should use buff slots
You can already toggle them off by removing the item
I'm not sure it's possible to make some of these items not use buff slots but if it is it should happen
A lot of the time as summoner I've wanted to use an array of minions instead of just one but the buff slots won't allow it
whole sedge
Chances are if they could they'd likely want to
serene fox
As a result, many players are probably forced to use two worlds
I don't know anyone who has done this tbh
left ice
Is it just me, then? Am I the weird one? I won't use a demon trophy on my main world because the drawback is bigger than the benefit. But I want the increased spawns somewhere, so I always end up creating a second world.
rapid pivot
Zerg potion, tbh.
left ice
Yeah, zerg potion, of course. But if you want to stack as many things as possible, zerg potion alone isn't all you can do.
left ice
1.25 is really bad, to me, but I guess each person has their own opinion.
left ice
It's not that bad, with the exception of the murky sludge.
left ice
Though I don't think the alchemy table works with it. :l
rapid pivot
Unless you wanna burn Blood Orbs on it.
left ice
What am I, some kind of rich player?
rapid pivot
oh wait
gaunt quest
Blood orbs are not that hard to get in all honesty
left ice
Blood orbs are also kind of a pain to get until you get the armor that boosts their drop rate.
rapid pivot
it still requires cores of chaos
gaunt quest
I get like 10+ a blood moon
If you don't spend them for like a while then you have a bunch
left ice
Yeah, and you need 20+ for most potions, with some going up to 50 or so. That's up to five blood moons for a single potion.
gaunt quest
Well luckly by the time you get to plantera you probably have had like 20+ blood moons
If you play for a long time (thats usually what happens to me atleast)
left ice
Yeah, but that's assuming you don't spend the blood orbs elsewhere, too. In terms of priority potions, zerg potions aren't on the top 10 of things I'd spend blood orbs on.
gaunt quest
You also can summon a blood moon
left ice
Personally, I've never had an issue with the cores. It's the murky sludge that's the hard part for me.
dapper coral
yeah, that seems good and valid to me
gaunt quest
Murky sludge isn't that hard to get
left ice
Admittedly, I haven't grinded for it, but it's fairly rare without grinding. I think in my current ~120 hour playthrough, I've only gotten around 40 or so.
rapid pivot
Eh, yeah, but it's dropped by corrupt slimes; a very, very common enemy.
left ice
Evidently we disagree on calling that a common enemy.
whole sedge
Yeah always made no sense to me for having them be post-plant as frankly there's not too much grinding left post plant as compared to early hardmode
hollow shell
@elfin swift iirc it's already getting nerfed
elfin swift
neat
hollow shell
(Also your suggestion is formatted improperly but, you don't need to worry about that cuz it doesn't need to exist anyway) :P
fallen bane
The Boss Zen doesn't seem to be working under settings when you attempt to turn it off. Is this a bug? Whether the setting is on or off, Boss Zen always appears when you are in combat with a boss.
hollow shell
You in multiplayer?
fallen bane
Yeah i am.
fallen bane
Rip.
hollow shell
You can go see if it's been reported in #bugs-read-pins yet (it probably has)
On the off-chance it hasn't then you can report it
radiant meadow
The host has to disable it I think
fallen bane
I am the host, which is the sad part about this problem.
radiant meadow
violet dagger
desync 
whole sedge
Yeah terraria multiplayer is messy cause .net files being more outdated than a BAR in modern warfare
golden narwhal
Image needs adding, methinks
golden narwhal
golden narwhal
Actual emote picture 
heady storm
This works Ig.
golden narwhal
heady storm
(I’m on mobile so yeah, can’t post a bigger version.)
cobalt pewter
Why weird doe 
elder kestrel
because it's the most iconic tbh, along with shrug and life probably
elder kestrel
I would too but we can't have all of them obviously 😔
cobalt pewter
ripperoni
sleek turret
that makes no sense.
tawny garden
(also doesn't make much sense-)
craggy stratus
walmart material transmuter
radiant meadow
You'd get a lot more profit just selling the bars or ore (depending on the type)
tawny garden
Cu → Ag
stray cairn
tawny garden
you'll need at least a [[Particle Accelerator]] to make silver from copper
red stormBOT
nova glacier
its a perfect idea
sturdy geyser
sounds kinda meme ngl
sleek turret
yeah
tawny garden
the sugg is valid
stray cairn
its going to be up for 24 hours
tawny garden
it's not a meme
sleek turret
also breaks economy
sturdy geyser
the sugg is valid
its valid but it still comes off as a meme to me
sleek turret
yeah, you can sell 100 copper bars and get more profit than a silver one
sleek turret
since the sell price of copper bar is 1 silver 50 copper, and a silver bar is 6 silver
stray cairn
not a meme, a well thought-out joke
radiant meadow
@nova glacier you're going to need better reasoning beyond basically saying the normal way is boring and you think this would be funny.
because as it stands, the idea is pointless
tawny garden
yeah, that is from a really old version
restive yew
So 100 pieces of copper -> 1 piece of paper 
subtle oracle
I-i don't see why this would be necessary
Another one of those novelty suggestions huh
radiant meadow
novelty suggs like this belong in their own meme mod, not a large Content mod
tacit geyser
Just wondering about something, if the mod does get updated to terraria 1.4 how will flails work in tandem with how they are now?
And will fishing be updated as well
cobalt pewter
1.4 flail mechanics changes will affect only basic flails (which would apply to ball o' fugu in calam, for example). Many flails later in the game are launched ones, which aren't affected by the mechanics change
tacit geyser
Ah, i see
restive yew
launched > originals
tacit geyser
But could they change all flails accordingly if they wanted to?
tacit geyser
Sorry.
hollow shell
We will probably change some of our launched flails into "normal" flails once 1.4 hits cuz normal flails became more interesting and useful
but indeed, 1.4 suggestions aren't allowed, cuz that's future content
cobalt pewter
Yeah, I just wanted to give a brief information, but apparently it became a bit extended after I left
My b
rapid pivot
Has progress on 1.4 even begun?
Like.. can the devs even try to code for it, without TModloader?
verbal osprey
no
hollow shell
Uh not sure
verbal osprey
i dont think so
hollow shell
We can take some precautionary measures though
like, we changed all of our code for item drops to no longer drop them directly but to instead go through a helper function that drops them directly
so that once drop code gets reworked with 1.4, we just need to change the code of the helper function instead of the entire mod
tawny garden
No, you can't code using a nonexistent api
left ice
They probably can't do much from a technical standpoint, but planning can be done for 1.4 changes, I'd assume. Ex. balancing stuff around the new content, making adjustments, etc.
verbal osprey
how would you prepare for journey mode without having journey mode
robust lava
Thinking how to organise the items into the different Duplication categories. Plan out any UI additions that might want to be made to the menu, assuming that tML will allow additional buttons. This isn't really relevant to this channel though
verbal osprey
@restive yew for the love of god tell me HOW DO YOU CRAFT A PLANT
restive yew
Plant matter +
ashen warren
why did you even ping them
verbal osprey
Because i felt like it was kinda stupid
restive yew
Im just throwing ideas
verbal osprey
its a dye plant
ashen warren
then don't star the suggestion
sturdy geyser
um
hazy sigil
have anyone tried the nychthemeron rogue weapon?
sturdy geyser
i support this emote
dapper coral
@midnight flume can you give a reason as to why you want this change?
craggy stratus
@hazy sigil better experience isnt exactly a great reason, you can say like this weapon is too op compared to weapons at its tier
to make your suggestion more convincing, you can put the kill time of nychthemeron compare to the kill time of other weapon on bosses
hazy sigil
@hazy sigil better experience isnt exactly a great reason, you can say like this weapon is too op compared to weapons at its tier
to make your suggestion more convincing, you can put the kill time of nychthemeron compare to the kill time of other weapon on bosses
@craggy stratus half hp of plague bringer goliath rev mode in 2 secs
craggy stratus
2 secs?
sturdy geyser
I highly doubt that but okay.
dry latch
I find it curious that you said half hp in 2 secs instead of killed in 4 secs
hollow shell
Yeah it would be best to include boss kill times with Nyc compared to same-tier weapons
in your suggestion
... also just as a precaution:
Please make sure you are only using accessories and buffs from vanilla and Calamity. Equipment from other mods can easily fuck up balance
hazy sigil
if you guys dont agree then its ok but you guys can try yourself
hollow shell
It's not that we disagree
it's that your suggestion could use actual numerical evidence
... it'd be nice if you sent a screenshot of your load-out too, to ensure that you aren't using something weird that includes other mods
whole sedge
Yeah time to kill and overall loadout are something kind of needed
tawny garden
apart from the fact that you need kill times, your suggestion could use some grammar @hazy sigil
white canyon
will my suggestion get approved or it will get yeeted like last time?
tawny garden
it will get approved, don't worry
hazy sigil
... it'd be nice if you sent a screenshot of your load-out too, to ensure that you aren't using something weird that includes other mods
@hollow shell im just using normal stuff in the fight as the suggestion on youtube cus i cant choose a good accesory set
craggy stratus
normal stuff isnt specific
whole sedge
That's still a loadout
hazy sigil
I find it curious that you said half hp in 2 secs instead of killed in 4 secs
@dry latch half then he just flying qll over the places
tawny garden
you have way too much unnecessary stuff in your sugg
"although nobody uses it BUT,BUT"
"as the title says, the nychthemeron is too powerful."
"Please nerf this weapon cus its kinda op"
dry latch
@dry latch half then he just flying qll over the places
yes. so is it a problem with the weapon? or with the boss? cuz they fixed that same issue with worm bosses getting easily melted while they're uncoiling
tawny garden
say == list all accessories and the armor
dry latch
also, general question related to balancing weapons:
how do you take into account the fact that some weapons are particularly good in some phases but not in others? (and that players can use multiple weapons in a fight to circumvent those phases?)
an example off the top of my head would be the dune hopper. it's strong when there are a lot of stuff to hit (like BoC minions or Perf worms) but not when there's only a single target (BoC's teleporting phase or Perf main body). is it considered op if it melts one phase but is nigh useless in another?
craggy stratus
dune hopper still good on target with large hitbox, not nigh useless
to the question: no
dry latch
okay maybe nigh useless is an exaggeration, but it's pretty ineffective against BoC's teleporting phase for example cuz boc moves too fast and the dmg is too low compared to, say, ashen stalactice
craggy stratus
ah
dry latch
is this valid? or are all mods supposed to be pingable from anywhere?
dapper coral
you can ping any of us for anything, really
craggy stratus
yeah
dapper coral
but also, ModMail exists
craggy stratus
what if the mod responsible for that channel isnt available for example
and yeah, mod mail
hollow shell
is ModMail for issues like "this person is posting memes in general right now"
dry latch
I'm not really sure. thought that was for banned people lol
dapper coral
it is also for banned people
craggy stratus
can it be used to report for any rule violation
craggy stratus
well, staff issues really is misleading
dapper coral
yeah
dry latch
yeah
dapper coral
i mean, people have used it before for immediate issues
to which one of the available mods responded immediately
hollow shell
yeah but that does not appear to be its intention
dapper coral
but it's likely not the most reliable source
as in, the intention appears to be more for ban appeals?
hollow shell
No as in it appeals to be for more longer term issues
"For example, someone is making you feel uncomfortable and you want to get it addressed."
And the FAQ details this process of a ticket being opened that will later get resolved
It doesn't seem like something for you to use to go
"hey can you go tell this guy to stop being annoying"
dapper coral
i mean, it does say you can message it to alert staff about a rulebreaker as well
hollow shell
yeah but the phrasing does not imply immediacy
rose jewel
@hazy sigil maybe add the times of how long it takes to kill the bosses it is supposed to be used against like mech bosses and plantera
dapper coral
that's fair enough
i'll ask danny to emphasize that part when it comes to rulebreakers, then
hollow shell
Alright
dapper coral
byeah you can basically ping any mod online
dry latch
aight I'll delete the sugg then
dapper coral
okey
dry latch
maybe the "what it shouldn't be used for" part that's in server announcements could be appended there too
rose jewel
@midnight flume could you add more reasoning why it should be implemented
dry latch
they've both been pinged for that yeah. pinging again doesn't exactly hurt but I doubt if it'd make them more likely to respond
sleek turret
"would be better" is not a reason, read the pinned doc
gusty geode
Once again, the drawbacks of using items that were designed to only be used for side-mechanics in recipes that are important to progression reveal themselves
Was there any reason this mod does that as often as it does?
Cuz out of all the items in the game I think maybe a quarter of them at most were designed to be reliably obtained and used in recipes
Yet it uses the whole load, which is frequently resulting in problems like that Orange Bloodroot sugg
Really all that does is make more work for all parties involved
The players have to waste time trying to get these unreliably-obtained items
And then the devs have to waste time coding in more reliable methods of getting them after the players start complaining about the pointless work
hollow shell
Bloodroot was added recently in order to make the recipe more interesting I think
robust lava
By the point you need the Bloodroot by, you will almost definitely have come across at least one
You just need to remember to grab it and keep it for later
dapper coral
they show up on the map too
so as long as you've explored a decent section of the underground, it shouldn't be too too difficult
hollow shell
And they appear on Spelunker iirc
dapper coral
probably
hollow shell
Yep, looks like it
tawny garden
darn, I thought of something, but it's too late
robust lava
I know it's a bit later in progression, but is Bloom Stone able to give you Orange Bloodroot as well, or is that one of the few it can't?
hollow shell
I dunno how Bloom Stone could
dapper coral
orange bloodroot spawns in the ceiling, so no
hollow shell
Bloodroot grows beneath blocks
robust lava
Doesn't it give you Black Ink somehow
dapper coral
dunno bout that
tawny garden
never did for me iirc
dapper coral
it could be sold by the dryad
i mean, at that point it might as well not be in the recipe at all
tawny garden
fair
dapper coral
since that would tremendously trivialize things
tawny garden
but i mean, so does crafting it I guess
I think that's actually the point of the sugg
to trivialize this
robust lava
HotE wiki page says it can give Black Ink, so maybe Bloom Stone could do something weird for Bloodroot to get it to grow as well?
dapper coral
wait, how does it give black ink
tawny garden
is that Red again doing funny redcode?
robust lava
Well, Red probably never expected anyone to try and force Black Ink to be placed to be fair lol
dapper coral
well if that's possible then i don't see why bloodroot can't
the question is, why is that possible
robust lava
Whoever coded Bloom Stone clearly hated farming Squids
even though Sea Snails are much worse
tawny garden
I'm not sure that it's entirely possible to place something that can't be placed
tiles and items are really different
robust lava
I kinda assumed that the invisible tile was Terraria's way of handling an item being placed that doesn't have an associated tile, but you'd know more than me
It might have been hardcoded by a Cal dev
tawny garden
unless there is a modded blank tile for it in fabcode, or some other diabolical mumbo-jumbo
rose jewel
With bloom stone walking on dirt can give bloodroot
Grassless dirt only and a small chance
robust lava
Does it just drop as an item, or does it do the same invisible tile thing as Black Ink?
radiant meadow
So basically the emote sugg is saying that 
does the job but we need the other emote to convey the same message?
You should make it clearer why isn't good enough which would mandate this new emote. @white canyon
I think it just places the bloodroot
since bloodroot has a tile
robust lava
Oh, and it would just look weird I guess
radiant meadow
yep
violet dagger
this is the most ❗ I've ever seen
radiant meadow
just like pink prickly pear on dirt
robust lava
Well that answers my question about a sugg already in voting
craggy stratus
the only sug edited is the second newest one
frail mantle
for the emote sugg, i wouldn't really say the second point is a good one
having an edited version of an emote doesn't really make the unedited version better to have
also yea you should specify why you'd need 
as well as
something like how is more of a stronger "what the fuck are you talking about", and is more of a "i don't know what you're on about but sure"
@white canyon see above
tawny garden
(Damn, I always thought was a stronger alternative to facepalm)
radiant meadow
frail mantle
it kinda is
whole sedge
hollow shell
Good suggestion
subtle oracle
Quality
dapper coral
yes this is good idea, very nice
violet dagger
:echceasebegone:
serene fox
isn't demonshade a dedicated armor set?
wouldn't you need their permission to make this drastic of a change to the set?
tawny garden
yes, but they can't be reached
glass sentinel
not just drastic
tawny garden
shadow is the dedicatee
dapper coral
Shadow is long gone
glass sentinel
there was a latin tooltip in a dedicated item that was incorrect and we needed to contact the guy
dapper coral
but this would indeed be a large change
serene fox
isn't he still in the lounge?
glass sentinel
oh
serene fox
or is this a diff shadow
glass sentinel
🤷
tawny garden
he never was on this server
glass sentinel
yes he was
tawny garden
the legislation to change the rules to prohibit changes to dedicated items without the dedicatee's permission even if they can't be reached hasn't passed yet
glass sentinel
ah
dapper coral
different shadow
tawny garden
yep, he was only active on forums
dapper coral
byeah this would be a massive change to it, i.e. tier-shift, probable resprite, balancing changes, etc.
so ima say that this one probably isn't valid
tawny garden
Demonshade's source material would have to change from Shadowspec to something else
that already won't be demonshade
so ima say that this one probably isn't valid
gonna call the Right Honourable gentleman for this
@hollow shell
hollow shell
Eh
The most potentially invalid thing I can see (considering that Shadow has been gone for over 3 years) is that he mentions options for multi-class runs
and I'm not sure what Calamity's policy is on multi-class runs
I don't think we account for them
tawny garden
I think the policy on those is "they can exist"
hollow shell
If we're fine with multi-class runs existing viably, unlike say yoyo runs or flamethrower runs which we aren't fine with,
then this suggestion is valid
fossil finch
I think this sugg can just be redone into "add a multiclass option pre-scal" instead of all the demonshade thing tbh
hollow shell
If we aren't, then, we can try getting him to change his reason
tawny garden
yep, that's what I'm thinking about, Enderpikmin
instead of tiershifting the funny dedicated armor
sand umbra
why would multiclassing existing and being viable not be fine, honestly
tawny garden
This.
sand umbra
"but Thomas it's a subcla-"
no. don't even. shut up. just shut your mouth. I had this argument over true melee and it was retarded and I refuse to have it again over the prospect of multiclassing
I know it sounds hella rude but I am not having this argument again it'll last 3 hours and nothing will come of it
tl;dr multiclassing as a concept spans multiple classes
the fundamental rule of a subclass is that it is contained within one class
(melee boomerangs are a myth)
tawny garden
tl;dr multiclassing as a concept spans multiple classes
hm yes, the floor here is made of floor
sand umbra
multiclassing therefore by definition cannot be a subclass
that being said, while I am all for multiclass options existing viably at more stages of the game, I don't think tiershifting Demonshade of all things is the way to go
add some new concepts, damnit
armor variety is something Calamity desperately lacks and a wider range of multiclass/classless options could help to remedy that
dapper coral
doing it with demonshade would require a lot of unnecessary hassle, yes
a new armor set would probably be a better way to go with this
tawny garden
also tiershifting is 
and 
iirc
sand umbra
it is indeed 
and 
violet dagger
tiershifting is more demonic then :echdemon:
foggy plover
tiershifting a dev armor is never gonna happen afaik
dapper coral
indeed
sand umbra
remember, guilty until found innocent when it comes to dedicated content
tawny garden
alright this changes this sugg to ❗
dapper coral
there we go
zenith hazel
yea... no
dapper coral
@mighty knot you probably wanna read up a fair bit
the better suggestion would be to add a new multiclass armor before scal, rather than tiershifting demonshade
zenith hazel
we have plans on what to do with demonshade
radiant meadow
we do?
zenith hazel
kinda
regardless it's not getting tier shifted
and besides it's dev tier so I personally don't think it should be done
mighty knot
aight
west jackal
I thought that dev tier was moving to yharim when his fight comes out
violet dagger
dev tier is gonna be moved post xeroc
since lore wise the weapons have no lore
they're just the rewards you get for beating the mod
dapper coral
it will get moved to whatever endgame is, yes
but in that sense, it won't get tiershifted based on any user suggestions
gaunt quest
Wouldn't the end be yharim though seeing as the super bosses are optional?
dapper coral
SCal is a superboss
and dev tier is currently past her
who's to say what will happen with it in the future, though
violet dagger
not really considered a superboss anymore tho
just wiki calls her that
since she's last boss
dapper coral
unless the wiki is horribly outdated, scal is still a superboss
don't really know what classifies one of them, but that's the fact of it
anyway, that sugg is gone so this isn't really the place for further speculation
violet dagger
:byeah:
heady storm
There's a description of them, something like; "A boss that is exceptionally challenging, despite a player's progression."
radiant meadow
the 2nd reason feels very shallow
like it's just there to be there
you should probably just get rid of it
radiant meadow
Now there's just a lot of empty space. And the 1) can be removed.
cobalt pewter
ripperoni
radiant meadow
better
white canyon
Will it get approved now?
radiant meadow
the bot ate it
white canyon
Noice
civic pond
or leave it as is
radiant meadow
if you want, it doesn't matter though
civic pond
i'll leave it then
dapper coral
@wise root a) yes explanation needed, b) this can probably classify as a meme sugg, c) it's not formatted properly
read the don'ts doc
distant gyro
dev tier
dapper coral
it's up to you
hollow shell
Also, it is formatted properly, Demik.
dapper coral
oh you're right
i always forget that it doesn't need to have a space in the middle
my bad
wise root
Ok I later skatered the message
dapper coral
aight
hollow shell
Alrighty
heady storm
I sense a need for kill times.
heady storm
@restive yew can you do this for us? ^
cobalt pewter
Kill times yes
restive yew
Rn I'm in school can you wait like 1-2 hours?
heady storm
Yes, we may, no worries.
restive yew
Okay ^^
heady storm
Your sugg will last for at least over 24 hours, which should be enough time for you to get those times.
restive yew
Yeah
heady storm
And uh Brue, they're basically a consumable card shaped rogue weapon that sticks onto enemies and in return: does DoT.
From what I can try to remember anyway.
serene fox
yeah I looked it up as well
consumables don't really tend to be very powerful or game breaking so uh
we'll see
heady storm
Spiky balls.
serene fox
cobalt pewter
Fantasy Talismans are pretty pog doe
subtle oracle
spiky balls only useful for a handful of bosses tho no?
restive yew
consumables don't really tend to be very powerful or game breaking so uh
The thing is that most of calamity ones are very good so if you grind for while you're just op
restive yew
So
Leviathan and Anahita - 3:09
Astrum Aureus - 2:59
Golem - 1:47
Plaguebringer Goliath - 3:28
Lunatic Cultist - 2:28
Duke Fishron - 3:02
Ravager - 2:24
Astrum Deus - 4:28 (with too many lags pls fix this boss)
Moon Lord - 9:41
Obviously with armor and accessories from normal tiers
golden narwhal
Moon lord and deus are alright
distant gyro
god = golem, ravager
on par = levi, aureus
kinda bad = pbg, fishron, cultist
really bad = deus, ml
from those kill times and the ones i had in test refs
restive yew
It seemed to me that the fights should last much longer, but maybe it's because of changes in Death Mode
golden narwhal
So regular weapon except for rav and golem but as the saying goes, golem is golem
distant gyro
(this was in 1.4.4.3 test)
3:17 Siren
3:12 Aureus
1:55 Golem
restive yew
With Malachite you can kill him under two minutes lol
golden narwhal
vesuvius
distant gyro
to me it seems like a regular weapon
restive yew
Okay
distant gyro
except the golem bosses kinda die but idk what to do about that
craggy stratus
malachite? isnt pbg after ravager
distant gyro
pbg -> fishron -> ravager is the progression
left ice
I mean, I've gone through 500 just on abombinations, which is several hours of grinding.
tawny garden
did you die so many times? 👀
left ice
That's only 50 deaths. Yes. Like I said, on higher difficulties.
50 deaths is about par for higher difficulties, IIRC.
tawny garden
are you doing nohits?
left ice
No, death/defiled.
tawny garden
ah, defiled
left ice
If it was no-hits, it would take several hundred tries, probably.
craggy stratus
should we have a pin to inform people about shift+enter
dapper coral
i find it unlikely that it will be useful, but we can add it to rover's message in #suggestions-posting
distant gyro
When formatting your suggestion, its main idea should be listed at the top on a separate line (Shift + Enter)
dapper coral
oh yep, it's already there
distant gyro
sand umbra
is this about Shadow Potions again
because like 5 people have already mentioned these
royal turtle
this time it's about cadence potions
i know the hearts look cool but they get in the way
sand umbra
oh. that's. actually not what I expected but okay
dapper coral
which cal potions have visual effects? cadence, tesla and shadow?
craggy stratus
oh
hollow idol
revivify iirc
craggy stratus
but, do people read pin tho
royal turtle
that's on the don'ts?
fringe walrus
My suggestion is a dont?
craggy stratus
worm bosses suffer from AoE attack when coiling
fringe walrus
try it
craggy stratus
" Additionally if the target is inorganic, 1/300 of the target's max health will be added to its damage."
dapper coral
that would do it
craggy stratus
this feel like my suggestion on spent fuel container
fringe walrus
I just feelthat a post Hive Mind weapon should not be able to melt the destroyer
dapper coral
if destroyer has 120k hp, then that's 400 extra damage right there
so yes, that is slightly OP
sleek turret
per arc right?
craggy stratus
wasnt pulse pistol intended to kill skeletron
fringe walrus
Yes
sleek turret
works for WoF too.
craggy stratus
because it is the only inorganic bosses pre HM
sleek turret
arcs 4 targets.
royal turtle
i get the feeling draedon's arsenal isn't yet really balanced
fringe walrus
Yeah I agree
craggy stratus
draedon stuff exist for low%
sleek turret
yeah, fab said that Rust and Dust was an update for speedruns.
adding more non-linearity
DoG new summon, Dragonfolly drops, etc.
craggy stratus
make Destroyer organic
dapper coral
With areospec armor and the Pusle Pistol
@fringe walrus aerospec and pulse
craggy stratus
prob adding more %damage to the weapon base damage is better than target's maximum health
upbeat dew
400 dmg pre-skeletron weapon
radiant meadow
okay so
pulse pistol (among other things) check if the target is a boss, if yes, don't give the boost
Destroyer body and tail don't have the boss bool set to true
sand umbra
on today's episode of "Terraria is a very well-programmed game with no flaws"
sleek turret
hmm, nice series.
radiant meadow
pulse pistol inorganic boost shouldn't affect destroyer, just the probes. but Terraria is an epic gamer
This is closer to bug than sugg material imo.
sand umbra
blacklist Desu segments specifically I guess
because somehow I know setting npc.boss to true for them will blow the game up hard
hollow shell
drops 5000 hearts upon killing
hollow shell
Why don't they drop a trillion hearts
radiant meadow
magic?
hollow shell
or, do they actually drop a trillion hearts?
radiant meadow
no, they don't
hollow shell
alright
hollow shell
Cuz if there's some reasoning why Deus segments don't drop default boss drops
it'd be nice to turn the big Slime Gods back into bosses and do that too
radiant meadow
well, returning false in prenpcloot with slime gods would mess with the actual loot
like purified gel stuff
hollow shell
Yeah I was thinkin that
radiant meadow
hollow shell
ah
north plank
Oh so pulse pistol is the way it is cause Terraria is Terraria essentially lmao
I was wondering why it could even do what was said, even with Destroyer being inorganic
radiant meadow
@fringe walrus Pulse Pistol eating the Destroyer is not intended. It should be fixed next update.
sleek turret
just remove the "inorganic" targeting part and let the arc part do the thing
dapper coral
i'm gonna remove the sugg then, since it's primarily based around how it deletes destroyer
vast horizon
I gotta say, I hate the split aspect of the Elemental quiver, its so awkward, would've been better if it actually applied elemental damage like shock, burn, frost, something earth effect and something wind effect
there's literally nothing elemental about it too
instead of a split aspect it should allow you to pick which element/effect or randomize it and have a multi-hit/multishot aspect
golden narwhal
Also the given function seems a tad specific
golden narwhal
@vast horizon above stuff
vast horizon
I'd love to learn how to code it, its just that if you have to put an Elemental name into something, I think it should have an effect along the lines of it
serene fox
why specifically quiver though?
vast horizon
I haven't really touched on the other roles in Calamity, i've only finished my first run withing calamity as a ranger recently
serene fox
no other elemental acc or item really functions or even resembles this
so it'd stick out like a sore thumb
vast horizon
both my friend and I noticed
out of all the items that have an elemental in their name offers at least these kinds of effects
Abyssal Flames for 2 seconds
Elemental Mix for 2 seconds (20% chance for Glacial State)
God Slayer Inferno for 2 seconds
Cursed Inferno for 2 seconds
Frostburn for 2 seconds
Ichor for 2 seconds
Venom for 2 seconds
this is from the Elemental gauntlet
i checked the other elementals too and they offer the same
even though the elemental quiver is a late game accessory for a ranger
it feels underpowered
golden narwhal
Question is why shouldn't quiver have the same effect
(altho I have an idea why it isn't currently the case)
serene fox
those are just debuffs
vast horizon
that's the thing, we wondered too
heady storm
Stuff related to the splitting has been suggested several times.
Mostly an idea to toggle it on and off with visibility.
golden narwhal
They were generally to reduce the lag as opposed to straight-up changing it
vast horizon
yeah but even if you toggle it on and off
its sort of gimmicky at that point
I'd rather the quiver can apply a few debuffs that the insta kill normal enemies and splitting
compared to other classes that match the quiver upgrade
its downright underpowered
serene fox
I really wouldn't say that
golden narwhal
The insta-kill is common among the other available accs
serene fox
every post-dog class specific acc has that effect yeah
golden narwhal
And yea, it isn't really underpowered
vast horizon
aside from the split aspect? its just an artemis emblem with a Bonus effect
golden narwhal
...which is basically every other on-tier acc (aside from nanotech)
serene fox
^
golden narwhal
nanotech got the special treatment 
serene fox
yeah but that's rogue
golden narwhal
vast horizon
compared to its counterparts like the elemental gauntlet and Ethereal Talisman? IMO its underpowered
dry latch
tbh debuffs are useless at that point of the game
serene fox
I wouldn't say that either but
vast horizon
i'd be completely okay with the splitting effect replaced
dry latch
bosses are immune to it, enemies that can get affected by it die right away anyway
golden narwhal
Ok, let's get to the objective things then
vast horizon
other than that, i'm fine with the stats
golden narwhal
Current listed solution is somewhat specific
Prolly downgrade it to smth like a less-specific example: e.g. "e.g. give each attack one of a few elemental effect like (examples)"
vast horizon
I can come up with something a bit less specific
dry latch
or just mention that there's nothing elemental about it lol
vast horizon
I did
dry latch
so either add something elemental about it or rename it
golden narwhal
Aight
Also, change the heading to smth like "Change the Elemental Quiver to better fit the Elemental theme" since the current one seems vague
dry latch
Instead of the Split effect and the 6.67% chance of it killing something, we can replace it instead with either a new mechanic allowing it to choose from 4-5 elemental effects (Burn, frost, shock, [Earth effect], [Wind/Air] Effect. Allowing the player to switch between the elements. And instead with a split effect, perhaps a multi-shot effect would suffice with it dealing 20% of the damage.
that entire part is a bit too specific
golden narwhal
That's what was mentioned
vast horizon
As it is right now, There's absolutely nothing Elemental about it, the "split" effect it offers is gimmicky and is just bothersome to look at (using the Soma Prime with it is just hell) I would like to suggest to make it more in line with its name, Elemental. Instead of the Split effect , how about letting it apply elemental mix debuff like it's counterpart, the elemental gauntlet.
how about this?
dry latch
sorry half of my mind is listening to a lesson right now lol
serene fox
yeah that seems fine
dry latch
yeah that looks better
vast horizon
I've changed it
golden narwhal
And, uh
change the heading to smth like "Change the Elemental Quiver to better fit the Elemental theme" since the current one is somewhat vague
vast horizon
gotcha chief
golden narwhal
sinful steeple
If elemental quiver didn't have the split effect it'd be worse, and if it inflicted elemental mix it'd be even worse since elemental mix is actually 4 debuffs and not one, and enemies have only 5 buff slots
Sure it will effect the enemies you hit but will also give them near full debuff immunity
sinful steeple
Elemental quiver and gauntlet aren't even really part of the elemental set, they're post-DoG
They just have similar visual theming
And elemental gauntlet inflicts elemental mix because it's a fire gauntlet upgrade, fire gauntlet inflicts a debuff and magic quiver doesn't
golden narwhal
They had a concept before the 'debuff' thing (you can check above), which still fit the elemental theme, albeit too specific
sinful steeple
Yeah I saw
sinful steeple
But the reasoning was mostly that they didn't like the current elemental quiver and to make it more elemental-like(even though elemental quiver isn't part of the elemental set and even though elemental weapons had nothing to do with actual elements), plus it also woulda still inflicted a lot of debuffs
golden narwhal
I mean, the sugg isn't to make it part of the elemental set, it's to make it fit its elemental theme if they are the same thing, then
dry latch
that's why I mentioned adding a "or rename it" option lol
cobalt pewter
Honestly yeah
Renaming and respriting Elem Quiver might be the best bet
Materials don't reflect "Elemental" a lot anyways
Idk
golden narwhal
It would work, don't see many problems with it
radiant meadow
instakill effect won't be removed most likely
thin burrow
so why can't we increase the amount of buff slots
cobalt pewter
You can suggest that
With the amount of debuffs calam bosses apply and the low limit of 22
thin burrow
yay
cobalt pewter
Some kinda perm power up to raise buff slot limits would be cool
Just make sure to make the entire thing concise, make sense, and not too specific down to numbers
thin burrow
can i give you credit
thin burrow
imma give you credit lol
unreal star
do y’all think renaming the cosmolight because it’s almost the exact same as cosmilite is a valid suggestion?
thin burrow
nah
unreal star
my friend got confused multiple times when i was talkingn about it in multiplayer
robust lava
Idk if that's down to the suggester to decide, or if it should be left to the devs
If it's just given as an example of a possible name that might be alright
unreal star
yeah that’s what i was going to do
tawny garden
Ono buff slot sugg
restive yew
Having only 22 buff slots is pain change my mind
robust lava
There are other mods designed to do exactly that
swift wharf
the rename sugg makes some sense but the gap of time when you get cosmolight and cosmilite is very big
one is pretty much early hardmode and other is post moonlord
Chronolight would be a cool name tho
gray nebula
no
cobalt pewter
imma have to wait for another sugg to yeet itself into posting before I'd post a Raider's Talisman rework
craggy stratus
6% crit chance pre boss is pretty decent
hollow shell
@cobalt pewter "All it does is increasing rogue stealth by 6%"
You mean crit chance?
hollow shell
np
restive yew
Imo there is no problem with Coin of Deceit. The problem is with entire stealth mechanic. It's just not worth it most of the time.
hollow shell
Except like +6% crit chance though
craggy stratus
6% crit chance balanced out the calamity nerf on the lucky reforge
distant gyro
@cobalt pewter you should hold your other suggestion to lessen the clog
one or the other
helps for the star phenomenon
distant gyro
i mean yeah you don't have to
cobalt pewter
Yeah, I'm a bit too impatient, but those are the only one I have in mind atm
craggy stratus
flooding your own suggestions
distant gyro
if you want
cobalt pewter
So maybe no more for a bit
distant gyro
i just prefer it because yes
tawny garden
you could sabotage yourself
cobalt pewter
Essentially making Abaddon a crafting from pre-Brimmy mats
Not only to make it consistent with Alchemical Flask, but also to make Brimmy's gigablasts less of a pain
cobalt pewter
distant gyro
Alchemical Flask is actually the outlier
along with Ursa Sergeant
Fearmonger armor (God Slayer Inferno), Astral Bulwark (Astral Infection), Abaddon (Brimstone Flames), Plaguebringer armor (the other Plague) are unlocked after their respective bosses
dapper coral
@soft ledge make sure to format your suggestion properly
tawny garden
@soft ledge your reason should be on a separate line
soft ledge
sorry
dapper coral
put a header, then shift+enter, then your reasoning
hollow shell
Suggestion itself seems fine
dapper coral
yeah, it's kewl
tawny garden
also I think you should elaborate a bit more
hollow shell
I don't pop into #help-advice-read-pins too often but every time it do it's kind of a mess
soft ledge
forgot to read pins, one sec
tawny garden
ye, do
dapper coral
can confirm, convos are moving at a hundred miles a minute in there
tawny garden
ye, there is a lot of cross-talk
hollow shell
(ah you shoulda just edited, Galex, cuz there's a slowmode)
(gonna have to wait now)
dapper coral
no worries
craggy stratus
people also asks for advice in #calamity-mod-talk
tawny garden
other servers, even a lot smaller ones split the advice channels into 2
craggy stratus
but again, got flooded
tawny garden
also remove the read pins part of the channel name cause reading pins there is less important than in here but we don't have read pins in the name
craggy stratus
perfect emote for dying at scal 1.1%
hollow shell
Don't forget about 
and and maybe 
or
dapper coral
is pain
cobalt pewter
is pure anger, but not frustration
dapper coral
is upset, not frustration, yea
is like universal cringe at this point
... no one uses this except philo
cobalt pewter
And its Calamity counterpart,
soft ledge
allright! my suggestion is back and hopefully formatted better
dapper coral
yep, that's cool now galex
dapper coral
dunno if i've seen rover use it yet
tawny garden
and yeah Galex that's better 
dunno if i've seen rover use it yet
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/465195069406707722/753670798828634153
dapper coral
tawny garden
dapper coral
fair
gray nebula
add feelsDEMON instead of hage 
cobalt pewter
No
dapper coral
let's just get like 40 peeposadcats in here
dapper coral
somehow i think iban could pull out 40 different iterations of peeposadcat
tawny garden
gonna call you #7777 from now on
hollow shell
I somehow knew it was Leon even before I clicked on the profile
dapper coral
leon is the only CD i can think of who actively changes their base name/pfp
hollow shell
And one of the few pure-CD who frequent the sugg channels
dapper coral
indeed
cobalt pewter
Ah flip I forgot to do kill times for Skyfin
Shit is busted on stealth
Pre plant cultist is piece of cake with that shit
I mean, Cultist is a piece of cake but
swift wharf
you can spawn cultist early i think
craggy stratus
yup
dapper coral
CD is entirely busted, even for a leggie
craggy stratus
summoner has shellfish staff as alternative
cobalt pewter
Buuut
Skyfin isn't even a rare drop or anything
you can spawn cultist early i think
And yes, Eidolists spawn early HM and drop tablet for cultist
tawny garden
you can kill LC with your bare hands, so there's no problem there to get kill times
cobalt pewter
It's kinda weird to include it into the non-linearity quite easily imo
Since once you rolled Cultist in like a single try, you can just suicide into pillar mobs to get fragments
And if you're lucky, your arenas could be saved from getting sat on by the pillars
And EVEN then, boss zen exists, so pillar mobs won't disturb boss fights (I think)
It's just a free pass doing Cultist early HM, honestly
I'm not saying to remove its non-linearity, but maybe make accessing it somewhat harder
craggy stratus
pbg is the only non-linear boss
cobalt pewter
Cultist gives access to stuff that could easily steamroll things before it with not as much effort as doing other bosses
cobalt pewter
Hell, I did Cultist pre mech and now I have dark god sheath, star of destruction and anthumbra pre mech
Destroyer got clapped hard with Star
imo I'd change the non-linearity a bit:
- A new plague-themed mob can spawn at anytime in HM jungle and will only drop Abombination.
- Eidolist drops Celestial Sigil instead of Eidolon Tablet.
hollow shell
hrm
tawny garden
oh, so skippy skippy?
hollow shell
Not sure.
cobalt pewter
Honestly the rest of HM non-linearity is fine imo, it's just Cultist is too easy to do non-linearity with and the fact that you can just grind pillar mobs for fragments
tawny garden
so there will be no point in them
hollow shell
Cuz, doing Eidolon Tablet makes it so the challenge is from anywhere-to-Cultist, meaning Cultist is the big roadblock
because once you break him you get access to the pillars which can always be looted no matter when you are, cuz all your progress is cumulative
If you went straight to ML, there is no easier challenge that you overcome which makes ML lot easier
I don't know if that's a good idea or not
ML may simply be too hard for anybody who isn't post-Cultist or otherwise late-HM to do
tawny garden
making cultist harder will achieve the same thing I guess
cobalt pewter
Also Cultist is barely a roadblock with the way it's designed in vanilla, since linearity
But buffing Cultist to fuck works too yes
tawny garden
thing is
visual crane
People still grind the pillar mobs for fragments? I just grind the Astrum Deus.
cobalt pewter
tawny garden
didn't work that well, did it
cobalt pewter
I mean it's slow, but if you need only a couple fragments from one pillar, farming a pillar's mobs would be much easier to do
Especially since, with the current context of non-linearity, your gear is far too weak to try on Deus
tawny garden
oh, they buffed him long before you joined the server
tawny garden
cobalt pewter
tawny garden
more than Moon Lord
cobalt pewter
Honestly aside from buffing Cultist to fuck, I have nothing else to solve the thing
hollow shell
He would still die faster if he had more total HP than ML
because ML's hitboxes turn on and off
visual crane
Damage reduction?
hollow shell
Cultist 50% DR
cobalt pewter
Now I got an idea
What if clones add DR to Cultist
Up to idk
50%?
Buuut this wouldn't work with the forced clones rev+ has
tawny garden
99.99%
tawny garden
the 1 damage*
cobalt pewter
Oh yeah my b
visual crane
The eidolist could just drop the tablet post-plant or post-golem. That way linearity won't be broken.
tawny garden
well, the non-linearity is deliberate
visual crane
I mean, certain bosses don't drop bloodstone until after profane god is beaten, so it's nothing new to have certain items added to drop pools.
cobalt pewter
post-golem
That kinda defeats the point of the non-linearity
Since Cultist is accessible post golem in vanilla anyway
visual crane
True
hollow shell
"That way linearity won't be broken."
This is the opposite of the point of Eidolon Tablet.
fossil finch
I never understood what's the problem with letting people skip parts of the game if they want to
cobalt pewter
Honestly the only way to do it is buffing Cultist, hm