there was no suggestion surrounding pre-boss exploration
#suggestions-discussion
fringe sky
hollow shell
@placid scarab ... The Tongue exists.
sand umbra
that wasn't really about a sugg it was moreso a discussion of why Life Crystal recipe is fine as it is which then trailed off into a short assertion of "pre-boss could be better"
also yeah tongue exists and does big chungus DPS for as long as you're behind WoF
placid scarab
I'm aware of the tongue, however i feel it does barely anything to hinder the player, especially in boss rush
I'm not sure if this is just me though
sand umbra
if you're falling behind WoF in BR you did something wrong
placid scarab
Exactly
hollow shell
Doesn't The Tongue also disable your items while you're afflicted by it?
sand umbra
no as in you should not be falling behind WoF without trying in BR
you have to either have an absolutely garbage warp point or be actively trying to get snacked on
hollow shell
nah doesn't seem like it disables items actually, just movement
sand umbra
because you do not fall behind WoF in BR on accident
distant gyro
unless your original hell arena is garbo and you have no pick
sand umbra
not with celery tracers and toasty brimchair you don't
hollow shell
If the issue is that The Tongue isn't punishing enough in BR, you could suggest it deal more DoT in BR or something
placid scarab
That's also a good idea, yes
sand umbra
if your original hell arena is garbo how the fuck did you get to BR
and you get Crystyl post-SCal so e
hollow shell
I dunno why WoF needs even more punishment for getting collided with
The contact damage, instant projectiles(?), and The Tongue are all plenty punishment enough
distant gyro
melt wof first time round, and yes the only way past it is crystyl
50 dps is yes
100 dps in death mode
hollow shell
average player in BR has, what, 700 health? 800?
sand umbra
reminder that that's stronger on the player than most actually late-game debuffs are
hollow shell
Vulnerability Hex, Abyssal Flames, and Holy Flames are 8 DPS
Astral Infection and Plague are 10 DPS
God Slayer Inferno is 15 DPS
sand umbra
yeah those are baby numbers by comparison
placid scarab
Would it be wise for me to delete that suggestion then?
hollow shell
I mean
It could be valid if you still think it's worth it
but you should edit it to mention The Tongue, and why you think it isn't enough
(You can delete it if you want tho)
placid scarab
Alright, thanks. I'll see if i can find a suggestion that would be both satisfactory to myself and the community as a whole.
hollow shell
aighty 👍
placid scarab
I don't feel particularly motivated to find a perfect alternative to my suggestion, so i've come to the decision to delete it.
I would like to thank the three of you for the formal discussion, and have a good day (or night, depending on your time zone)
sand umbra
hollow shell
Thank you, have a good day yourself
ashen warren
would suggesting the dance of light be crafted with light god's brilliance instead of wrath of the ancients be infringing on the rules around shadowspec items?
gleaming plank
heady storm
Dance of Light and Light God's Brilliance are both dedicated items, and as far as I'm concerned you cannot have a dedicated item upgrade into another one.
ashen warren
thx
heady storm
Ben has stated before that it just isn't allowed iIrc.
Dedicated item rule if you will.
tawny garden
ah
heady storm
Nohitters shall have no say on this suggestion.
serene fox
robust lava
I feel like saying "a lot of players choose to cheat boss summoning items" is kinda meaningless since there's no evidence provided for it
heady storm
Do they need evidence for it?
Their statement regarding arma not being a summoning item grind pretty much does the deed to me.
robust lava
Oh yeah I agree with the sugg and think the rest is fine, I'm just saying that I never really like when people say "a lot of people say..." or "most people do..." since, that's vague and not based on fact
Just my opinion though, it's obviously not breaking any rule
heady storm
Ahhh, I get what you mean there.
Yeah it is pretty vague, but in hind sight they can't really provide evidence for such a claim without interviewing a ton of other people. 
robust lava
Yeah, I suppose it's just me being nitpicky, since there's obviously no way that people could get meaningful evidence for that kind of stuff anyway, so it's fine to leave in
heady storm
Honestly it wasn't harmful to point that out in your defense, this place is for discussing suggestions and what they propose.
radiant meadow
It was the rule for donor item, but you generally shouldn't try to make upgrades to donor items anyways
still cliff
@stone epoch your suggestion has already been suggested by an other guy
stone epoch
O
cobalt pewter
Also I forgot you don't need folly for feathers now
heady storm
That's fine yeah.
versed warren
@cobalt pewter changed the wording, that was pretty heavily opinionated, soz
cobalt pewter
It's cool, I was joking around
cobalt pewter
I love how there are only 2 Enchanted Metal suggs post sugg bot
And the rest are mostly sis
versed warren
How does a suggestion get approved for voting? No idea how any of this works lol
cobalt pewter
Either manually approved by a mod, or automatically yeeted into voting after 24 hours (the latter with a condition of no ❗ reactions on the sugg)
heady storm
What Feedza just said, yeah.
It used to just be the former, but ever since the exclamation was introduced, the latter is now usually how it goes.
versed warren
cool, ty
ashen warren
if you like it then just star it
keen drum
i mean yeah
ashen warren
lol
ashen warren
Is my suggestion alright or does it fall under the rework category?
radiant meadow
I don't think hm or perfs enrage
They just turn invulnerable
ashen warren
did a double take on the wiki to confirm that
says for hive mind that it's nearly immune, and that the perforator worms are vulnerable but not the hive when enraged
limber ocean
yeah, they just activate hacks when you leave their biome
radiant meadow
Hive Mind was changed, it turns invulnerable now
Perf hive still acts the same outside the Crimson pretty sure
Just invincible
limber ocean
wonder if suggesting that those two enrage instead of becoming invincible when they leave their respective biomes would be valid
would make fighting them in the evil island slightly less of a headache
and it could make for an interesting challenge, for those who like that sort of thing
perfs are kinda iffy on the floating island though, with how worms spawn
ashen warren
If I changed it to them becoming invincible for the same case do you think it would be more valid
limber ocean
I was just thinking aloud. Or in text. Whatever
your sugg seems valid
would help avoiding some headaches
and, you know, consistency
craggy stratus
this is a nice suggestion
worn current
What do people think about an Otherworldly Minecart, pieces dropped by the Sentinels? Minecarts are so abandoned.. 
dapper coral
well you can't come up with an exact name
worn current
Yeah
dapper coral
but you can suggest that more minecarts be added
worn current
It just.. feels like a waste to have a whole dedicated slot, imo, when only vanilla 1.4 really does anything with it. v:
limber ocean
most of the new carts lack new functionality, though
worn current
Yeah, the only one that comes to mind is the Hell one giving temp lava immunity.
But at least it's something more than just.. like, two carts.
limber ocean
yeah, there's that one, one that moves freely (i.e. not slowed) by water, and the one that places tracks
worn current
There's tons of hooks, pets, and light pets in vanilla, and those have slots.
limber ocean
rest are just recolors
worn current
Then minecarts just....... exist.
ashen warren
As a matter of fact a majority of the 1.4 carts don't do anything speed wise, they just look nice
Mechanical is still fastest 
worn current
To be fair, not a lot of people use minecarts, I'd imagine, outside of the mineshaft(?) rails, but it'd be a welcome addition to have some variety.
limber ocean
yeah, that's what I meant
there's like 20 minecarts
but only 5 have unique functionality
wooden wedge
minecarts don't even fit in terraria, you have so many other mobility options that're better than wasting wood and iron on something that takes a while to complete where you could just go cave diving for a minute and find boots that have a million more uses than carts
hollow shell
Carts are way faster than boots tho
default wooden cart's top speed is 51 MPH, Hermes is 30 MPH, Lightning is 34 MPH
"Minecart" item is 66 MPH
wooden wedge
they may be faster but you have to use them on rails
which in this game limited movement ends up with you being hit a fuckton
hollow shell
I mean
They're not really meant for combat
unless you got a really well thought out whack ass setup
They're mainly supposed to just connect distant locations together (pre-teleporter)
wooden wedge
but why would you do that if you could just run the distance?
hollow shell
Cuz it's faster
wooden wedge
reminder that you need to place rails
hollow shell
With the Minecart item it's double the speed
ashen warren
The tracks underground exist for a reason 
hollow shell
Yeah that's called an investment
wooden wedge
why invest that time when you could just spend a couple more hours to get to hardmode and get teleporters pre mech bosses?
hollow shell
couple more hours
cobalt pewter
The only unique carts are hellcart, molecart, and minecarp afaik
wooden wedge
and 1.4 also adds pylons
cobalt pewter
The new ones in 1.4 at least
hollow shell
1.4 does add pylons which will help a lot
but you get those in a trickle throughout the game and there's only so many total
cobalt pewter
Hellcart gives temp lava immune, molecart digs blocks and places tracks underground, while minecarp gains speed Underwater
ashen warren
Pylons are more convenient than teleporters imo
hollow shell
They are
Teleporters are only gonna be used for getting to, like
Hell, or other underground locations
cuz Pylons got all the main surface biomes
cobalt pewter
You can use Underground pylon to make a shortcut to hell doe
Just put 2 npcs on the edge of cavern layer and put the underground pylon there
Boom
hollow shell
Indeed
ashen warren
Yea that's what a majority of players do
hollow shell
hollow shell
(I don't think people were using rails to go down to hell)
ashen warren
oh thank god
hollow shell
It's a real thing yes
wooden wedge
there's one that TPs you to the oceans
violet dagger
I remember hunting through the underground desert like crazy for it in my master playthrough
And I ended up finding a billion golfers all of which got killed
ashen warren
you can also get it from the oasis crates too-
limber ocean
teleporters are more versatile
pylons are more convenient
also, IIRC, pylons don't work during events or boss fights
rose jewel
Any thing about my suggestion?
unreal viper
It sounds good to me.
rose jewel
thx
dapper coral
concept is fine, just make it multiple sentences instead of one run-on sentence
dense ferry
Yeah, honestly that's really good
I saw many people who got killed by SCal because of this
fresh stone
does anyone else think that moon lord weapons should be craftable (post moon lord)
like heres a recipe for star wrath
hollow shell
You don't need to give a specific recipe
fresh stone
ok
hollow shell
Why do you think they should be craftable?
fresh stone
it can be tedious if you didnt save fragments for sigils
hollow shell
It can be, yeah.
He's got like 9 (10?) different things to drop, one at a time
You can make a suggestion about it
dapper coral
another reason could be that these items are used in various crafting recipes and so grinding for RNG-based drops can be irritating, perhaps
fresh stone
yeah
ashen warren
does anyone else think that moon lord weapons should be craftable (post moon lord)
I second that suggestion
fresh stone
this goes for vanilla too but i cant count how many hours ive lost to grinding for a specific moon lord drop
edgy pagoda
mine?
ashen warren
yea
edgy pagoda
thanks
hollow shell
Looks good.
edgy pagoda
i came up with it last night but was too tired to write it
fresh stone
what about mine
edgy pagoda
It was actually rover that helped me with it
they suggested the blood sample/true shadow scale
hollow shell
mhm
edgy pagoda
wait i have an idea to add to it
hollow shell
And well you gotta write your actual sugg first Greg
fresh stone
ok im new to this server to id
edgy pagoda
What do you guys think-
After defeating Hive Mind/Perforators, underground enemies have a chance to drop life essence, which can be used to craft life crystals. Or just add a new enemy that drops life essence.
ashen warren
if your new just be aware to follow the suggestion formatting rules too
fresh stone
ok thanks for the heads up
hollow shell
Ehh that's a bit specific Magicoal
as it is.
You could include it in your sentence as a possible alternate option, as long as you don't call it ""life essence"" and just say something like "a material"
edgy pagoda
ok
hollow shell
(or maybe cut out the middle man and just add enemies that can drop em uncommonly
Same vein as ore slimes or Cosmic Elemental)
(but, at that point we're deviating from your sugg's topic, of changing the recipe)
edgy pagoda
Well, that could be an alternate recipie
fresh stone
sorry for all of the questions but where can i find the suggestion format
ashen warren
Scroll up a bit in sugg posting and you should find it
fresh stone
thx
dapper coral
and you can use the other suggs in #suggestions-posting as models
hollow shell
You can also just look at all the other suggs in posting
ashen warren
Also to add to the life crystal idea
hollow shell
as a reference
Separate top line with the main idea
Paragraph below with your reasoning/elaboration
ashen warren
Instead of bones, since life crystals can be found at the start of the game anyways, swap it for ancient bone dust?
edgy pagoda
oooh that is actually good
hollow shell
the point of the current recipe is to allow you to 'catch up' on life crystals that you're missing at that point in the game
The main source of them is still supposed to be exploration
edgy pagoda
yeah, and ancient bone dust is found during exploration
hollow shell
thas not.. necessarily the same thing
But I mean I guess you could add that as another possibility to your suggestion if you want
dapper coral
hit enter too quickly, i assume
hollow shell
@fresh stone s'gotta be in the same message
separate lines using Shift+Enter
((better to edit what you have than to delete cuz there's a slow mode))
ashen warren
edit the current one with a brief description instead of a separate line
sand umbra
pre-boss Life Crystal recipe is gonna be a no from me, chief
sand umbra
Rover I swear to god--
no
that is not the kind of use Ancient Bone Dust needs to justify keeping it
rose jewel
Idk with planetoids that give life crystals too and the jungle I don’t think it even needs a recipe
untold cargo
you do realise you could have made it one whole sentence/paragraph and skip the 10 min slow down
dapper coral
yep, you gotta make em one message @fresh stone
just edit the first one and paste your reasoning in there
fresh stone
got it thx
craggy stratus
you can shift + enter
hollow shell
Example recipe is unnecessary btw
tawny garden
radiant meadow
That's a really fat indent
hollow shell
There we go
fresh stone
sry im new to this
hollow shell
it's aight
tawny garden
Ye, including recipes doesn't help too much
fresh stone
oh sry
dapper coral
that's fine, that's why we're here
winged patrol
the post moon lord bosses should be nerfed
fossil finch
I'm pretty sure they don't
The only one i've seen real complains is polterghast, and as i have experienced them, they were all fun and fair
haughty owl
Only bosses I've seen complains about are Polter, Ravager, and possibly Deus
But only one is post moonlord
ancient crow
ok i'll agree with the ravager one
deus is really hard, but it doesn't feel unfair or anything
golden narwhal
Which mode is feedza referring to (or is it unknown), since in dmode it is quite ... balanced?
Same level of occurence
dapper coral
seems about balanced to me
it's just that cocoon spears come first
in her attack pattern
so you see them more often by default
violet dagger
while we're on the topic of cocoon phases did that provi doesnt go cocoon while guardians sugg get in anywhere
it got 140
radiant meadow
Dragonfolly does have a music box though?
median dove
how do i get it
ashen warren
median dove
huh
hollow shell
??
median dove
i cant get it
violet dagger
rng
hollow shell
Bad RNG
violet dagger
just get alch npc lite and buy it from the musician
median dove
he wont sell it
violet dagger
not updated ig
violet dagger
bumblefuck music box 
median dove
he wont sell it
dapper coral
probably because there's too many
hollow shell
How strange
Inventory might be maxed out ig
radiant meadow
but NPCs can sell up to 40 items
violet dagger
get shop expander
sand umbra
this seems outdated
ashen warren
it's probably like that so you can still sell stuff
sand umbra
Old Duke's box and the acid rain boxes are missing from here too, see
unborn quiver
Wouldn't you still be able to get it through the random chance recording, or is it not possible at your current level of power?
hollow shell
No astral underground music box either
unborn quiver
Bosses do hurt a lot, after-all
violet dagger
it is possible but rng :/
ashen warren
the method to obtain music boxes is questionable imo byeah
median dove
im post scal, if anything i have to worry more about the boss dying
dapper coral
can you not just leave the boss alone and sit the music box down?
or is that not how it works
hollow shell
You should be able to just leave it in your acc slot and let Dragonfolly fuck around
hollow shell
Yes that's how music boxes work
ashen warren
the fuck
median dove
yeah but demonshade armor says otherwise
hollow shell
How did you not know this
dapper coral
then toss on auric instead
hollow shell
Or Fearmonger cuz iirc that has no on-hit or auto effects
dapper coral
and just fly around while you record the fight
that too
or just don't hit em at all
ever
radiant meadow
I think he means that demonshade has the red devil which kills angery bird
novel belfry
or you could find a way to get the Chibi anime doggo, because it cancels red devil from existing apparently
ancient crow
it can also stab you for a shit ton of damage and spawn a cosmic guardian
limber ocean
yeah, think it's like, 500 damage or so
median dove
what
mighty knot
hollow shell
m, seems that your suggestion is a more detailed/specific version of Cy's sugg
mighty knot
that's why I'm bringing it up
hollow shell
It's fine ig
If I had foresight I prolly woulda asked Cy to not even try with his repost, cuz his original sugg didn't even get close to 200
mighty knot
lunatic cultist suggestion
hollow shell
What
chilly solstice
About that "alter the recipe for life crystals" thing...
It's not the first time I've seen a sugg like this. Are people really that lazy? I mean Calamity already adds about 10 crystals just floating on planetoids and all you need to get them is Gravity Potions (or enormous quantities of both platforms and patience). Cavern exploration on top of that is a quick way to get to 400. I mean we do need a recipe for the life crystal to turn it into a renewable material for lamps and such, but we really don't need it to be craftable before the Skeletron
clever canopy
Ive always seen the recipe as a way to help players in multiplayer
Cause it can be quite hard to find life crystals underground when 4+ people are looting the same areas
sand umbra
something to keep in mind: in 1.4, Golden/Titanium Crates can grant Life Crystals
couple that with DS' fishing drops galore and you have an easy way to fast travel to 400 health
unreal viper
Is the prismatic armor set bonus ability the exact same as deathhail staff besides damage?
keen drum
are you allowed to repost your own suggs?
ashen warren
one week after the last one i think
keen drum
alr
i wanted to repost this: https://i.imgur.com/tBiJlQ7.png
should i put it in posting?
heady storm
It has been well over a week since that initially got into voting, so yes.
keen drum
cool
hollow shell
Melee's the special one of the bunch
cuz it's got Turtle Armor right before and Beetle Armor right after
post-3Mechs and post-Golem
keen drum
most people arent a fan of turtle
although i guess in vanilla it does get beetle after golem while every other class keeps their post plant armor
hollow shell
You could mention Beetle in your sugg if you can think of a way to make it support your argument
keen drum
but in calamity, summon and ranger have plague armor, which sets melee apart less
ill think of ways to tie it in
hollow shell
aighty
violet dagger
who's the donor for prismatic since we need to ask them
some guy named prism
not gonna ping tho since ik how it is
sand umbra
yeah uh
Prismatic is unfortunately a dedicated set
so unless you can get a hold of the person that designed the set I don't see it happening
violet dagger
a list of people was made
dapper coral
yeah, they're not here anymore
uhhhh in that case ig we proceed as if they gave consent
sand umbra
no
dapper coral
and if they want it reverted down the line then they can say so?
dapper coral
is it not? then what do
violet dagger
you have to treat it as no consent until they give it
radiant meadow
that's like saying if Thomas left, Infected Remote can be changed to whatever
which probably wouldn't fly
dapper coral
this is true
i seemed to remember that conversation being brought up at some point when this happened before, but clearly my mind is playing tricks on me
apologies
then in that case, this sugg is void?
unreal viper
Yes, easy.
radiant meadow
unreal viper
Will be done.
violet dagger
sand umbra
what doesn't help is that, even if they were here
there is no set precedent for a patron item being notably mechanically changed
violet dagger
and they might not even respond
radiant meadow
closest precedent is Ataraxia losing its scaling
violet dagger
wait ataraxia scales ?
sand umbra
I see
violet dagger
oh kinda like drat
sand umbra
anywho, that's the one example you can even begin to cite as precedent
and Ataraxia is by no measures a recent wep
violet dagger
ye it was added with sunken sea or smth
radiant meadow
and I think it was also removed partially because it caused an error in the transit to tmod 0.11
but the patron was asked about it and they consented
violet dagger
was added 3 days before SS
sand umbra
what makes it hard is when a patron wishes for their item to be notably mechanically changed but there's like no precedent that can be cited to get it to pass 
radiant meadow
after ataraxia, there was basically a hard no on scaling and stricter patron item rules btw
sand umbra
that's fair
radiant meadow
not really, I would like that this chat pertain to suggestions and stay on topic
I can see deleted messages you know.
If you're just here to make fun of me, then that's gonna be a warn.
You're off topic
violet dagger
wot is going on here
void kelp
@fiery grove have a mute for persisting, to be honest.
radiant meadow
Muted, I'm not dealing with this
rapid pivot
If I were to suggest maybe a reduction in the DoG's max acceleration when it's being a zoomie boi, would anyone vote for it?
(Mostly because I'm playing on Death Mode, and I've noticed a disturbing amount of occasions where suddenly, he starts going a million miles per hours, and makes U-turns that'd put Tokyo Drift to shame, resulting in an unavoidable 1-hit-kill.)
violet dagger
ye that's happened to me
hes at like 5% in final phase and then he just starts going super speed for no reason
he's supposed to go super speed catching up to you
but he keeps it after going close to you
rapid pivot
like, i appreciate that D-mode doggo is supposed to be hard, and it'd be dumb if you could outrun him
but his sudden dashes can get ridiculous
mighty knot
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/699359022364491868/749811092217135204 please? feedback?
sorry to (kind of) spam the link, but it's gonna get removed in a few hours and this about the last chance I have
cobalt pewter
It's not gonna be removed if it doesn't have ❗
Just thrown into voting automatically
rapid pivot
Any thoughts on my sugg?
radiant meadow
in a few hours quickly dwindled to a minute
mighty knot
I had that message here for like three hours and forgot to send it lol
soo
anyway, @rapid pivot seems fine to me. More reasoning and maybe some more objective or factual points and it should be fine
rapid pivot
Eh.. the problem is, I don't know exactly how fast it is.
One of those things where you only really notice just how bad it is once you see it for yourself, yeah?
I just know that i've seen loads of complaints in the past about D-mode Doggo being cheap, unfair, and unfun.
rapid pivot
Well, yeah; i said it became infamous for that.
and i kinda don't know how to make gifs.
radiant meadow
you can get a little bit of stealth if you equip dark god's sheath with omega blue armor
although idk if that'd be better than bloodflare w/ dark god's sheath
long ivy
I know that the Dark God's Sheath increases max stealth by 20 or something, but will it actually work for stealth strikes on its own?
If so, my reasoning is invalid
radiant meadow
yes
if you wear omega blue
it only boosts stealth if you wear a multiclass or rogue armor
long ivy
Oh, that's really neat
long ivy
Alright, that's so cool! I'm excited to use Omega Blue when I get there in my rogue playthrough
unreal viper
Tho isn't there a cooldown or something?
radiant meadow
pretty sure stealth always takes a certain amount of time to regen to full
regardless of the max
unreal viper
Really?
long ivy
Yeah, max stealth just changes the stat boosts you get
You get a small boost for every point of stealth
So higher max stealth just gives you bigger boosts
radiant meadow
quickest way to test would be to compare dark god's sheath + omega blue vs DGS + auric or something I guess
long ivy
Mind if I test it before removing my suggestion?
long ivy
Alright, thank you
I appreciate your patience
Okay, I just tested it out
The Dark God's Sheath does allow for stealth strikes while wearing the Omega Blue
That's just straight up some good game design right there
Okay, I'll delete my suggestion now then, thank you
dapper coral
long ivy
Like I said, I'm working on a rogue playthrough right now, so I'm super excited to try that armor out
clever canopy
I’m thinking about writing a suggestion to change how dark gods sheath and eclipse mirror affects Crit chance. Currently it makes it 100% when doing a stealth strike, which makes any increase to Crit chance useless when going for a stealth build
radiant meadow
eclipse mirror you mean?
clever canopy
My suggestions would either be adding the ‘normal’ Crit chance to the damage or making the sheath only double the Crit chance gained from stealth
Yeah I’ll edit that
Wanted to post here beforehand to see if anyone had any suggestions about this suggestion as I’m not convinced that either is the best way to fix it
hollow shell
Turning crit chance into a further damage increase seems like a fine way of doing it
if stealth crits are guaranteed with those accessories
imo
Making those accessories double crit chance on stealth strikes would be easier to understand
but chances are with late-game builds that doubling will result in 100% crit chance anyway
clever canopy
The tooltip would probably have to change to something like
“stealth strikes will always deal critical hits
Critical strike chance is added to damage”
hollow shell
Yes that was the other option Feedza
cobalt pewter
clever canopy
Yeah the problem I had with doubling it is exactly that, even at the stage of the game where you unlock dark gods sheath it’d still be really easy to get 100% Crit stealth strikes, which still makes Crit a non-issue from there on
cobalt pewter
I'd say go with excess crit conversion with those accs
radiant meadow
excess crit conversion might be weird to program I think
unless you also meant remove the 100% crit SS's
hollow shell
(why would it be easier if the 100% crit SS's were removed?)
clever canopy
The problem I thought Crit conversion would have is making end-game stealth builds a lot more OP
hollow shell
cuz if they're kept then the "excess" crit chance is all your crit chance
cobalt pewter
The problem I thought Crit conversion would have is making end-game stealth build a lot more OP
@clever canopy it probably deserves it, stealth rogue gets a bit weak in variety late game
radiant meadow
because the accessories set your crit to 100 if you have a SS available
hollow shell
I see
radiant meadow
any excess currently is just because it's added after it sets it to 100
hollow shell
Gotta save the player's non-stealth crit chance somewhere I guess
clever canopy
I’m no programmer, but could the game read the players Crit chance, add whatever is needed to make it 100, then also add the original Crit chance as damage?
radiant meadow
it would have to be moved then to account for everything
the code
since it's not calculated at the very end
actually, there's the stat meter stat
could mess around with that
violet dagger
yes
give rogue more weapons
although they already have a bunch of viable weps for provi
cobalt pewter
Well I guess at least it should have one proper "Elemental" weapon
violet dagger
or just end the rogue-melee system since melee already has everything they want
rogue actually needs those weapons
and stealth strikes could be done with them
but anyways yes
cobalt pewter
or just end the rogue-melee system since melee already has everything they want
@violet dagger this is a massive yes
violet dagger
violet dagger
here we go another epsi meme 
heady storm
@swift wadi I could also see it being a consistency with stuff that buffs players, such as campfires if I'm not mistaken, at least in the case of drunk princess candles also being affected.
Your sugg is fine as is rn but I just wanna say that.
swift wadi
Oh yeah I wanted to say that too let me edit it
@heady storm that should be better, points are clearer that way
heady storm
Oh that does actually make it look clearer.
heady storm
Pretty sure epsi means all candles in this context.
violet dagger
even furniture candles probably
radiant meadow
Furniture candles should already be togglable by wire
ashen warren
did 1.4 change how wires affect candles or am I thinking of something else
radiant meadow
I don't know if chaos and tranq can be wired
swift wadi
Seems like Cirrus' are meant to be but maybe was forgotten
heady storm
There we are finally?
radiant meadow
Cirrus candles are different
swift wadi
That should be good lol, sorry for forgetting to clarify that, made it confusing
heady storm
I should be sorry for not noticing that at first, Epsi. 
radiant meadow
And that they count as lighting for housing
They could be passed under different name and nobody would think candle I bet
violet dagger
sprite
radiant meadow
They look very different from the other candles
ashen warren
They look more like bottles or jars
radiant meadow
I guess they kind of look like those scented candles?
ashen warren
^ maybe
swift wadi
yeah
radiant meadow
The fat ones
swift wadi
yeah scented candles come in glass jars kinda
violet dagger
the ones with what looks like jelly beans inside
ashen warren
actually yeah looking at the item sprites they do look like scented candles I'm dumb-
swift wadi
lets be honest would cirrus be using any candle that isn't scented
ashen warren
nope
gusty geode
Came in very late
But the problem with the Solar Flare armor dash isn't that it's bad
It's that dashes are made a more crucial mechanic by the mod and pushed to greater heights as a result, meaning vanilla, which only barely touched on the topic and had it as a novelty moreso than a front-line mechanic, is left in the dust as a result
cobalt pewter
Again, this is one of the things I rather dislike about Calamity, ignoring a lot of stuff vanilla needs fixing
But in any case, simply making the dash not restricted to Solar Blaze buff would make it on par with other Calamity ramming stuff
heady storm
@near obsidian you could also add how that would make those consistent with Worm Food/Bloody Spine, as they are both sold by the dryad regardless of what evil boss you fought.
Oh wait, did I misread your sugg?
heady storm
Ah, excuse me for being blind there, your sugg is pretty much fine as far as I can tell.
near obsidian
Also on a side note, hive cysts don't appear to spawn in crimson world even in artifical corruption biome
ashen warren
@zenith hazel check #general-media
heady storm
Just have a mute then.
ashen warren
fuck
heady storm
If you can’t move past the whole situation and feel like complaining still, you don’t need to make it apparent.
Yes I got it Cry0n.
ashen warren
ok
neat wave
Will abyss biome get exclusive boss?
sturdy geyser
no
ashen warren
would be a cool idea but i've think than we will not have it for a long time...
earnest vine
dont adult eidolon wyrms count?
sturdy geyser
they dont
those are not bosses
Fab has said before that an abyss boss just isn't happening
earnest vine
eidolon wyrms are in the bosses wiki page
ashen warren
yes, under the "mini bosses" section
earnest vine
oh yeah sorry
dry latch
ironic how most people want the other shields hidden instead
also, isn't greg's sugg a tad bit too specific? mentioning materials for an example is one thing, mentioning numbers is another
sand umbra
the example recipe provided as an example for one wep out of 10 and which ultimately isn't the focus of the sugg is rather specific yes
okay so I get where this sugg is coming from but that completely defeats the point of the❗reaction
dry latch
true, but that's how it was before voting became a separate thing
sand umbra
the point of the❗reaction is to show that a sugg has been seen by someone and has a problem
dry latch
yeah, but that boils down to someone actually seeing it
repurposing the reaction would be more efficient than creating a new one
sand umbra
you do realize there are people other than Rover that check these, right
dry latch
yes? I never mentioned rover tho. what brings him into the discussion?
sand umbra
it's a 24-hour timespan on a server with dozens of moderators + Rover and a ton of people looking at this chat who will also point out that a sugg has a problem (thus giving it the reaction) or help to get a sugg with the reaction to where it doesn't have a problem (thus getting the reaction off of the sugg)
if a sugg doesn't lose its exclamation mark after 24 hours, the original poster simply never showed up to bother fixing their sugg
this is a very differrent assertion than "oh a mod/Rover hasn't seen it and said it's good"
dry latch
that's how it's used now, yes. and I'm suggesting to repurpose that
sand umbra
lemme put it this way
what practical benefit does this suggestion for repurposing the reaction have over the way it is used now
what problem does this solve that the current use for the reaction does not, and how
dry latch
it guarantees that all suggs have been checked
the current system relies on someone finding an issue and mentioning it. if something gets posted in downtime and gets buried, no one will bother reading all the way up there other than me maybe lol
exhibit A is right there
sturdy geyser
but the thing is
there are lots of people who dedicate time to checking suggestions
dry latch
tell me then, how even after around 17 hours, this thing hasn't been criticized yet?
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/699359022364491868/750068594288754819
sand umbra
but it has
except the only thing to criticize about it is how the example recipe is unnecessary
it's a good sugg otherwise
raise or fold
dry latch
yes. which rover mentioned when it was originally posted
and yet no one bothered double checking whether the poster did change it
and yeah I agree it's a good sugg
sand umbra
personally I don't see a fundamental problem with it
all it does is provide an example recipe as something to work from if the devs so choose
dry latch
one thing I've noticed is that ever since the suggbot gained the ability to approve stuff itself, the requirements have been getting generally lax
sand umbra
it doesn't make or break the sugg
dry latch
yeah, but this wouldn't have passed before
sand umbra
before as in when
because last I checked it's never been illegal to provide a damn example, specific or otherwise
dry latch
before voting became a thing? before the bot became a thing?
I've always been under the impression that giving numbers in a recipe example is a don't
sand umbra
are you getting confused with the long-standing Specific Item Suggestion ban
dry latch
compare:
S.D.M.G. recipe: 1x Gatligator, 15x Vortex Fragments, 3x Luminite Bars, 25x Shark Fins
vs
S.D.M.G. recipe: a Gatligator, Vortex Fragments, Luminite Bars and/or Shark Fins
sand umbra
nothing actually changes
it's still an example and it's still pretty specific without the numbers
if it's an issue of specificity the example recipe doesn't need to be there and shouldn't be at all
sand umbra
oh I wasn't done talking 
sand umbra
you have no idea who you're challenging here
as I've said to you already, it does not actively hurt the suggestion in its current form, because specificity isn't an issue in a sugg that involves a recipe for a pre-existing item or group of items
and going back to the point of your sugg, which is what we ought to focus on here (you've gotten me off-track quite enough), the concept that every sugg needs that reaction to specifically mark whether or not it's been checked actually defeats the purpose of the reaction at all because then the mark has to be kept if the sugg has a problem --- which is basically the same as the current use
it's not only redundant but it just causes more issues than it solves
dry latch
how valid would this sugg be if we added:
rich mahogany wand: 100 rich mahogany blocks, 10 living shards
what issues exactly? that a sugg with issues stay with a signifier for issues?
sand umbra
you mean like how it currently does after one of the dozens of people that dedicate time to staring these three channels down the barrel inevitably see the sugg and point out the flaws where they exist?
sand umbra
reminder that if a sugg reaches the auto-assessment point with❗it dies
dry latch
yes
with my suggestion, that simply means that it was never approved of
by any of the people who come here
sand umbra
can't wait to have the same problem we did before
where perfectly fine suggs died, more often than they had any business doing, because nobody approved them
this is the exact reason❗was added
dry latch
it's a simple matter really. which would you prefer: for good suggs to die? or for bad suggs to pass? I vote for the former simply because it's way too easy to repost stuff. tho tbf it's also easy to just delete a sugg in posting after it passed, but that brings into question the integrity of the process if they ever end up doing something as drastic as that
sand umbra
I'd prefer if you gave me examples as to what kinds of "bad suggs" this would keep out of voting
tangible examples from the past month, preferrably
dry latch
I already present exhibit A
which obviously was just discussed once and was never checked again
sand umbra
exhibit A hasn't passed, and there's no shame in pinging someone to try and discuss it again before it does
it's not illegal to speak about a sugg more than once and it certainly isn't so to be the one to start such a conversation
dry latch
yes
sand umbra
you could've just pinged Rover or one of the mods that cares about this place about it
dry latch
but the thought that no one might have noticed it if I didn't bother checking urged me to make my sugg
just call me paranoid lol
sand umbra
the only thing that urged you to make this sugg is making the matter more complicated and more drastic than it ever needed to be
don't be afraid to ping people with concerns about a suggestion
bonus points: ping the original poster
there's at least a 65% chance they'll hear you and fix the sugg
dry latch
he's already here lol
yeah, but the point is: there was a possibility for everyone to have missed it. I simply want to remove that possibility
sand umbra
to be frank, there is no perfect solution
people leave after making a sugg, people just never get around to reposts, there's still entirely a possibility that a sugg goes the entire 24 hours without ever being seen even if this does happen
dry latch
brb in a couple of minutes, I gotta roll my timed gacha lol
sand umbra
this doesn't remove the possibility, all it does is make that possibility more punishing for honestly no reason
@fresh stone hi 
apologies for ping because I know you can see me
but in the interest of getting the guy above me to calm down could I convince you to remove the exact numbers from your example SDMG recipe so it's less specific or whatever
(also what's the Black Lens crafting recipe again? I don't even remember)
fossil finch
Lens+Black Tint
It's easy but used in two recipes so i don't think it matters too much
fresh stone
battle potion and water candles can fix that
sand umbra
those and Sea Snails
they're sitll super rare
though I wouldn't contest the recipe taking like
Demonite/Crimtane Bars or some shit
fresh stone
yeah
fossil finch
It's only actual use is optic staff as far as i'm aware so that wouldn't change much
sand umbra
one is also used for Mirage MIrror apparently
hollow shell
@dry latch Absolutely not, to your sugg
The whole point of switching to the current system was to be less strain on the mods
(and the fact that valid suggs are more common than invalid suggs)
dry latch
people leave after making a sugg
how is this an issue? if the sugg is bad, and they don't update it, it shouldn't pass. if you meant something else, read next point.
people just never get around to reposts
if it's a good sugg, someone is bound to repost it. if no one does, it's unlikely to have gotten enough stars if no one really cared about it lol
there's still entirely a possibility that a sugg goes the entire 24 hours without ever being seen even if this does happen
exactly, and such suggs shouldn't get approved simply because no one saw them
kek
aight
guess I'll remove it
hollow shell
And also as Thomas mentioned before
it'd result in more valid suggs accidentally dying
which was the other main point of switching to the current system
dry latch
so what's the SOP if a bad sugg does pass? it get's removed in voting?
sand umbra
if a bad sugg does manage to pass it probably doesn't get enough stars to matter and so just gets lost in the sea of actually good suggs
hollow shell
If it's just like a bit more specific than it should be, then it's whatever and we'll keep it
but if it blatantly breaks one of the Donts (and somehow went unnoticed) then I'll consider doing so
dry latch
nice. I've been thinking of what'd happen if someone modified their valid sugg into an invalid sugg a couple of minutes before it gets approved. I'm paranoid okay?
hollow shell
That'd be really stupid
Also @fresh stone why exactly should Black Lens be harder to craft (and especially why should it be locked to Hardmode?)
fresh stone
I was planning on editing the suggestion to require pre-hardmode materials, like any evil bar, etc. I think it should be harder to craft because it is already a very low drop rate item.
hollow shell
You don't need to specify the materials
but, you should mention that reason in your suggestion. You currently don't.
You just say it should be harder because rn it's too easy, without saying why
dry latch
That'd be really stupid
use case:
- user is new and didn't read the don'ts doc
- user made a valid sugg
- around 23 hours later, user comes up with an idea regarding their sugg and decides to "upgrade" it
unlikely, yes, but possible. I just like poking holes into systems okay?
hollow shell
That'd be really stupid
fresh stone
did i fix it?
dry latch
no you did not
hollow shell
yeah that's better in terms of reasoning but if you're keepin it to Hardmode you should also give a reason why it should be Hardmode
fresh stone
nah, after i saw there was a recipe that required it in pre-hardmode, i think it should stay pre-hardmode
hollow shell
Ok then edit your sugg further
dry latch
The current Black Lens recipe doesn't require any hardmode materials, but the materials it does require are not very difficult to obtain. It should require extra pre-hardmode ingredients to make the lens.
think you mean pre-hardmode
also, it's kinda redundant
fresh stone
alright nvm then
dry latch
wdym nvm
?
I meant that the two sentences are redundant cuz they're saying the exact same thing
hollow shell
The sugg is fine now but just worded weirdly
Like it prolly shouldn't mention PreHM/HM at all in the sugg cuz iunno if any readers will think that's relevant
dry latch
yeah. just the last sentence is enough
and maybe mentioning the current recipe
aight good to go
fresh stone
thx for the editing help
dry latch
np
hollow shell
Better, good 👍
Also @still cliff It would be good to mention Brand of the Inferno in your sugg, which requires a visible shield in order to function.
While this may not apply for early game shields as much, it does apply for Frigid Bulwark and Rampart of Deities
still cliff
The brand of inferno has a little shield when you right click, but for a couple of seconds
hollow shell
That little shield only shows up if you have a shield accessory equipped
and if the accessory has no shield visual, it doesn't work
dry latch
question:
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/750325648727212132
there was a sugg before about doing the same for the invisibility potion, but that was never approved (it defeats the purpose on an invisibility potion they said). is it cuz it's a vanilla potion?
hollow shell
Partially, yes. Could involve overwriting some vanilla code and would be bad for vanity or screenshotting or other purposes if the player lacked an option for full invis.
However, we have more control over Shadow Potion and it's a separate entity, so this sugg's all good
dry latch
loud cloak
ok im gonna go now, its fair cus noone commented on my sugg for over 5 mins right?
sturdy geyser
yeah its a good suggestion
loud cloak
well i'll see what the mods say when they do...
keen drum
i updated my melee armor sugg to include a bit more explanation
loud cloak
k
hollow shell
Ah yeah I wanted to check source to make sure what you said was correct
And, yep, it is
hollow shell
¯_(ツ)_/¯
Maybe they thought it was communicated well enough with "Reduces the damage caused by the pressure of the abyss while out of breath"?
Even though that does clearly say "while out of breath"
hollow shell
Ye
loud cloak
Noice
hollow shell
Let's hope it get dat fat 200 now
Got 153 last time so chances aren't great but, it could happen
sand umbra
to be fair, 153 wasn't really a bad performance at the time
I distinctly recall this and the other two reposted contenders happening like
right after the huge drop in star income
so that might've been a contributor
hollow shell
We'll see
sand umbra
in any event, of the three reposts this is the one I can most reasonably see getting to 200
because unlike Ancient Bone Dust I hopefully don't have to defend my stance on whether or not it should die for a straight hour
and unlike Ectoplasm (Ectoblood) these two mats aren't used in everything under the sun
gaunt quest
Hooks are very easy to get though
And for the most part who makes the normal grapple hook I just go straight for gem hooks
ashen warren
would honestly like the avoid going into the cavern layer as much as possible
tawny garden
the slime hook is also pretty easy to get
whole sedge
Yeah gem hooks exist and are way better than just making the normal grappling hook plus Hooks are only used in that one thing
And plus slime hook or jungle hook also exist as an alternative
weak field
Gem hook or slime hook
tawny garden
or go home
weak field
i only use the normal hook if I got lucky
clever canopy
Normal hook is situationally better than gem hooks cause it can only fire one hook
weak field
Just jump after each hook
tawny garden
would honestly like the avoid going into the cavern layer as much as possible
uhhhhh
you can't just avoid the caverns
that's not how the game works
weak field
Mining moment
sleek turret
or just get a random ore-seller npc mod
tawny garden
clever canopy
Caverns is like 90% of pre-boss progression
clever canopy
More so the chests and life crystals tbh
Ore armor is pretty unpopular in calamity playthroughs other than for mining speed
sleek turret
just get only two accesories here:
hermes boots
cloud in a botlle
tawny garden
the pre boss part of the game is the longest
the progress is so sloooooow
sleek turret
yeah, feels slow pre-boss, and feels ultra-fast post-ml
clever canopy
It’s supposed to be though, it gives a base level for you to try to progress away from
If the early game was fast and easy there’s less incentive to progress
tawny garden
ye, making it faster would be weird
clever canopy
I do think it could be slowed down post-ml
clever canopy
Beating ml should be like beating the wof imo, with the player having tons to do afterwards before the next boss
tawny garden
well, I didn't get lost
it wasn't like Deus Ex lol
but there's a lot to do early HM
clever canopy
I’m honestly not sure how to fix that though
Other than adding more enemies, ores, minibosses etc. And making those materials necessary
sleek turret
Gem hooks, even amethyst.
clever canopy
Adding luminite as an actual ore would spice it up a bit
sand umbra
Hooks are fine as they are
cool bug fact's: gem hooks, seasonal hooks, Slime Hook, and Goblin Tinkerer all exist
(and as with many suggs that have entered the court before it, I'd say this falls under the category of "things that Calamity really doesn't need to do")
keen drum
are there any changes i should make to my melee armor sugg?
hollow shell
(this)
#suggestions-posting message
keen drum
yeah
sand umbra
seems good as it is
keen drum
alr cool, just making sure
clever canopy
question:
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/750325648727212132
there was a sugg before about doing the same for the invisibility potion, but that was never approved (it defeats the purpose on an invisibility potion they said). is it cuz it's a vanilla potion?
@dry latch yeah I made both suggestions but think this’ll be more likely to pass as it doesn’t change vanilla behaviour. Getting 1/2 potions is better than neither
gusty geode
That Life Crystal sugg is kinda missing the point of the recipe to begin with
It's a safety net for the event in which you somehow didn't find enough to max your HP by then
Kinda like how Stardust exists partially to make it easier to get Fallen/Mana Stars if by chance your mana isn't maxed out by HM
I think anyway
Perf/HM drops could work
But it shouldn't be something that's theoretically available early game
Cuz you know the meta slaves serious players will abuse a chance like that and suddenly there's even less reason to go exploring
Since you could instead just set up a grinder somewhere where you'd get Ancient Bone Dust or whatever other material and wait for it all to come to you
Remember that rant someone I think Thomas? went on about how balancing an item around how hard it is to get doesn't matter because if it's good people will go to any lengths neccessary to get it and/or complain until it becomes easier to obtain, invalidating the whole philosophy
I think the same idea could be applied to recipes
If it's more reliable/faster than getting something the intended way people will go for it even if it's harder
hollow shell
(I think that was Vetus actually)
gusty geode
Was it? I forget
hollow shell
but, yeah
ashen warren
The whole point of the life crystal crafting sugg is just to take it back a couple of bosses since players would most definitely have max life by the time they fight Skeletron anyways, making the recipe include bones practically pointless
gusty geode
Exactly
You'd definitely have max hearts by then
So if for some reason you don't (changes have been made to accommodate smaller chances than that) there's an easier way for you
Like
Yeah, the odds that you wouldn't find enough life crystals after all that time are super slim
But so are the odds that you wouldn't find a particular item in one of the chests around the world that are just as common as them
Yet 90% of them were made obtainable by other means to accommodate for those unlucky enough to have it happen
I feel like this is the kinda mechanic that uses that philosophy
A safety net for the really unlucky, but not one that can be taken advantage of by the less unlucky
sand umbra
shoutout to the time Markie went on a like 5-hour expedition for a Flare Gun
because Spark Spreader takes it
gusty geode
Idfk what my problem is but the only cavern chest item I've ever had issues finding was the Magic Mirror
I wish I was kidding
So yeah
Unless you're stupidly unlucky like that, chances are you won't need those QoL recipes
Which is why they're designed with the fact that you shouldn't need them by that point in mind
Having them be theoretically accessible to early runs the risk of people whose luck isn't in the negatives abusing it and that method just becoming how you're "supposed" to get the item
Examples of this already in-game include anything that's bought from the Traveling Merchant and used in a higher-tier item
sand umbra
unfortunately, not all vanilla item recipes are created equal
case in point: both Mirrors and Hermes Heels
gusty geode
Originally odds are you weren't gonna get those items
They were a novelty, nothing more
Then it turned out you needed them for some high-tier item so now you needed to get it
But the recipe was usable before the upgrade the item crafted into arrived
So now you just got the item by crafting instead of buying it as was originally intended
sand umbra
you might as well be supposed to craft them with how easy they are to make
Shadow Key recipe is also basically free
gusty geode
Yep
hollow shell
Should we do the thing that Metal Detector and some other items have
and
make it so most/all of the vanilla item recipes are a tier or two above when they can be obtained via exploring or farming
sand umbra
honestly? yes
hollow shell
It's already the case for a decent amount of em
Celestial Magnet needs Frigid Bars
Flying Carpet needs Souls of Light & Night
Megaphone needs Hallowed Bars
but, numerous others are on-tier
gotta single/list em out
radiant meadow
I'm not sure how well changing hermes recipe to post boss or something would be taken by the public
there were already complaints when it took 4 swiftness potions so I reduced the amount it needed
before that, it was just some silk
sand umbra
you should have to play the game at least a little bit to try and get shoes before being handed a piss-easy recipe on a silver platter
playing without 'em for an extended amount of time isn't as bad as people make it out to be
sinful steeple
Hermes boots post-boss would be fine but like, after which boss
pine star
Probably EoC/DS
sand umbra
a post-EoC recipe would be fine, honestly
that's around the point you'll normally beat up goblins anyway
vocal grotto
Honestly, I do see players possibly getting annoyed by a change.
Once you give them a new, easy solution, they typically become complacent, and then get upset when that easy thing is changed/taken away.
sinful steeple
Maybe enough victory shards that by the time you got it from cnidrions you'd have three children so that it's effectively post-DS
dapper coral
that's one way to put it, i suppose
summer sentinel
I like that idea Altix for the sole fact that you need to work more for it because rn it's: basically go mine from iron and lead and in that time you probably found cobwebs, smelt it in a furnace, make a sawmill to make a loom, and then boom, hermes since swiftness potions are just handed to you via starter bag
hollow shell
Victory Shards would be fine additions to the Hermes recipe
and potentially other pre-boss vanilla item recipes too
sand umbra
Victory Shards are. kinda wacky, honestly
summer sentinel
We could make it have victide bars since you can make those off of cnidrions as well
the starfish, seashells and coral can just be found in the ocean
sand umbra
they drop from EoC but then they also get used in Victide, a pre-boss set
hollow shell
Nah Victory Shards work fine thematically
sand umbra
and are dropped alongside all the other mats for that pre-boss set
hollow shell
and cuz of EoC
summer sentinel
didn't even think about EoC 
sand umbra
anywho Victory Shard wackiness is a discussion for another time
I can agree with using those for a Hermes recipe
currently compiling a list of all the other recipes that are currently on-tier or earlier than the intended ways to get their respective items
violet dagger
whats this new sugg
ashen warren
A good idea
dapper coral
yeah this is illegal
tawny garden
@ashen warren read the doc
tawny garden
if you don't wanna read the doc, do not even go to that channel
violet dagger
that is in hell
also looks like someone forgot that the crags are a thing
ashen warren
What's up doc
hollow shell
Check pins
hollow shell
That.
summer sentinel
you know after reading your suggestion Thomas, it made me think on it for a moment
sand umbra
recipes that (likely) need adjustment
RoD, Shadow Key, both Mirrors, Eskimo armor, Ice Machine + Sky Mill
Vitamins I think? do purple Slime God fatass and its summons drop Vitamins or no, I don't remember
Bezoar, all three jump bottles
Feral Claws are arguably earlier than the spot you're supposed to get 'em from
Lucky Horseshoe, Obsidian Rose, Lava Charm, Water Walking Boots, Fast Clock, Frozen Turtle Shell, Armor Polish, Flower Boots, Radar (sorta), Aglet (sorta), Anklet of the Wind, Guide Voodoo Doll, Magic Quiver, Trifold Map, Black Lens (already addressed in a recent sugg), honestly fuck every Blood Orb recipe, Wand of Sparking (it's actually good in 1.4)
summer sentinel
It kind of is
sand umbra
yes I scoured the entire vanilla item recipes page to figure this out but honestly how is this even a question of course I did
anywho that's a compiled list of every item where the Calamity recipe for it is on-tier with or earlier than the item itself
radiant meadow
what is the armor polish recipe?
summer sentinel
bones and ancient bone dust
sand umbra
ABD and Bones
summer sentinel
50 and 3
hollow shell
mhm
sand umbra
Armor Polish is a Hardmode drop
tawny garden
bones and bones
dapper coral
what are the crafting stations though
radiant meadow
so it's not really earlier than intended
sand umbra
HM anvil
...which still leaves it on-tier but fuck you're right
lemme fix that real quick
hollow shell
On-tier is still a problem
radiant meadow
pitbulls drop adhesive bandage in phm
summer sentinel
they do??
sand umbra
I knew it was something but I didn't remember what
summer sentinel
I surely have noticed unless I just throw them away
hollow shell
Because Pitbulls exist
sand umbra
Adhesive is fine then
radiant meadow
who even equips armor polish on its own though anyways
dapper coral
who even equips any ankh shield component other than bezoar/nazar on its own though anyways
summer sentinel
2% in expert+ drop for adhesive bandages, I mean it just stops bleeding debuff, it's not that important
radiant meadow
vitamins to stave off like 15 minutes of weak
sand umbra
haha funny spit go brrrrrrr
summer sentinel
just gotta run
purple slime gods drop nazar but that's prehm regardless, I don't think they drop vitamins
dapper coral
nah they drop vitamins iirc
radiant meadow
corrupt slime spawns drop vitamins
summer sentinel
okay then my luck is just bad
maybe adjust that for on tier?
dapper coral
also can we lower the drop rates of nazars from SG spawns, i got like 5 fighting him 8 times exdee
summer sentinel
me when^
radiant meadow
probably because there's 2 types of crimson ones
tawny garden
sugg it
radiant meadow
the flying ones don't drop anything cuz they transform
summer sentinel
fast clock isn't on tier? who drops them preHM
radiant meadow
nobody
summer sentinel
so the fast clock recipe should be okay then? Iirc it's just on an HM anvil
radiant meadow
he wanted to change the on tier recipes
tawny garden
uh
summer sentinel
oh I see, I just read it too fast
tawny garden
@ashen warren #bugs-read-pins (?)
summer sentinel
I'll just delete that
tawny garden
regardless, not for that channel
dapper coral
mm
summer sentinel
Demik did you just do it
dapper coral
i didn't touch it
radiant meadow
read audit logs you fools
tawny garden
mb they did it themselves
radiant meadow
it was none of us
summer sentinel
I feel you Demik, I feel you
okay anyways,
what would a recipe adjustment be for lava charm? seems good as is given the risk to go to underworld in death mode for example
craggy stratus
you are just unlucky (or lucky in this context), because earth elemental spawn based on rng
left ice
And that RNG seems to be way higher than intended, because this isn't a one-time thing. They spawn on me constantly, even just falling down a hellevator.
heady storm
I mean, they can still suggest this.
craggy stratus
you can suggest like, a timer that stop a mini boss to spawn after you killed the first
glacial island
hey do u want to play calamity if u do then dm me
craggy stratus
dapper coral
craggy stratus
wrong channel
left ice
The issue is that for players who just enter hardmode, where the issue is most prevelant, that a timer after killing won't do any good, because they'll be hard to kill.
dense ferry
I can relate to that
sinful steeple
Honestly, Earth Elemental isn't that tough for a miniboss
left ice
Yes, it isn't that tough later in hardmode. But for a player who just entered it, a time in which a player will be spending a lot of time underground mining, they can be difficult, especially in harder difficulties.
dense ferry
Early hardmode it is
sinful steeple
No I'm talking about when you first get into hardmode
left ice
The biggest issue is that they can phase through blocks in a location where dodging is often impossible.
Yes, so am I.
dense ferry
No I'm talking about when you first get into hardmode
How
sinful steeple
Earth Elementals are pretty slow and don't have the best stats
dense ferry
Yeah, but it's kinda hard when you have a little tunnel to move through
sinful steeple
They're barely stronger than biome mimics, but their attacks are less threatening
left ice
On harder difficulties, they can hit you for up to around 300 damage and with no room to dodge, especially given their size.
dense ferry
Yeah
sinful steeple
Maybe make them not spawn when the player is enclosed?
Also they only do at most 124 damage
left ice
They can do more than that.