if they consider it
#suggestions-discussion
weak field
This just feels too cheap
ashen warren
but, it is a rare drop
rose jewel
maybe just say a high damaging item that damages you a lot also
hollow shell
Well as far as the information contained in this sugg now is concerned, there is no specification on how it's obtained
The important and only aspect is that it exists at all
ashen warren
that makes sense
hollow shell
(which is fine)
weak field
Eh it's more of a "I suck but I still want the good loot" button
rose jewel
Maybe like something that does a percent of the bosses health but costs like 50 health idk
weak field
You play rev for challenges, so turn off rev if you're getting rekt
ashen warren
._.
weak field
Nothing personal here btw
ashen warren
providence gave me ptsd in normal mode
ashen warren
that skull looks half melted
hollow shell
yeah iunno what's up with this emote
ashen warren
like if a pumpkin has a skull
hollow shell
I just use it to indicate sarcasm/silliness
heady storm
Danny's beloved creation.
tawny garden
no, Tymon created 
ashen warren
i thought it meant a big oof so big death happens
weak field
I use it to indicate an indescribable feeling
heady storm
Well yeah, he also considers HD his creation.
ashen warren
cringe debuff
heady storm
It expresses more than one emotion.
ashen warren
imagine a cringe debuff that is purely cosmetic and character's faces
hollow shell
aight anyway
Sorry to hear Prov gave you trouble in Normal
weak field
^
tawny garden
this converation rapidly derailed
violet dagger
no matter what, we still need :LETSFUCKINGOOOOOOOOO:
weak field
Gen talk is infecting the rest of the channel
tawny garden
(keep this channel to suggs please)
heady storm
^
ashen warren
i suggest this emote has less discrimination
tawny garden
((damn, I'm minimodding))
hollow shell
#general-talk would be fitting if you wanna talk about emotes and stuff
violet dagger
if this next sugg is a thing lower their health so it isnt basically a stat bloat but once half is gone the other goes angry
tawny garden
not a bluecheck btw, https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/743776473688571914 didn't reach the req
cobalt pewter
To be honest just one split worm would be too easy
And just ends up as boring
That's why I said empowered (or, heck, enraged) to make the fight overall more interesting
unreal viper
Any thoughts on my sugg?
hollow shell
You should clarify that by "recovery" you mean a cooldown
edit: @unreal viper
I was confused and thought of a few different meanings before I understood what you meant
Also, more line breaks in your sugg would help
It's a wall of text
boo, homing
cobalt pewter
ech
violet dagger
perfect timing
tawny garden
~~what are you on about, homing is 
~~
hollow shell
git gud, homing is low skill
violet dagger
from soa server
:sadca:
tawny garden
shhh
it's the only way I can play
hollow shell
Anyway @ashen warren are you fine with this suggestion?
(can't remember if we pinged you about Apoth suggs before)
(or, if you would prefer us to do so or not to do so)
violet dagger
ples dont tell me he's out nerfing ranger or making emode things take you to brazil 
ashen warren
what sug
violet dagger
latest one
hollow shell
Most recent one in #suggestions-posting
cobalt pewter
Emode queen bee now yeets you to brazil
ashen warren
oh
cobalt pewter
ashen warren
yeah make it homing
cobalt pewter
Pog
hollow shell
aight cool, got approval
ashen warren
tawny garden
yey
violet dagger
reminder that ssv is bad now :sadcat:
ashen warren
fuck the skill based gimmick
hollow shell
aight lol
Balance is a different concern but if you want it to be a 0 braincell weapon then that's fine
cobalt pewter
ssv is cring now
ashen warren
just give it razorback typhoob style homing
tawny garden
or if you're sarcastic, tell us
ashen warren
so it spins around enemies at light speed
cobalt pewter
Oh boy love me some spinning dog head
violet dagger
yes
cobalt pewter
tawny garden
fuck the skill based gimmick
wait, you need skill for it rn?
gusty geode
Regarding the ore armor thing
Or you could just
Take your time
Like, any underground cabin chest is guaranteed to have some pre-boss bars in it from what I can tell, those are all over the place
The ore itself is a lot more common than you make it out to be, I usually find more than ik what to do with pretty quickly
And they're also a really common drop from fishing, if all else fails
You have a point on other armors being better, but I wouldn't say ore armor is hard to get by any means
You've just gotta actually take the time to look
Rather than the materials coming to you instead with stuff like Wulfrum
sand umbra
counterpoint: it takes 180 ore, spread over 60 bars, to craft the lowest tier (Tin/Copper) which gives you basically the same defense as Wood (+ some mining speed I guess with Cal)
and it just gets worse adding up to a mighty 360 ore over 90 bars for Gold/Platinum
tawny garden
I've tried to make platinum ore before
I went insane
tawny garden
story of how I ended up being this dumb
ashen warren
Pre-boss metal armors are kinda meh imo
tawny garden
correct
ashen warren
Mainly due to the same fact of how costly they are-
granted some of them look pretty cool as vanity but I usually go for either a piece or two or a different set altogether before post EoW/BoC armor 
unreal viper
You can also just get victide if you wanna.
Speaking of ore armors, time to add my final sugg to the series.
sand umbra
oh yeah, remind me to repasta my various evil suggs once the star req officially drops
violet dagger
wont it be affected by the drop tho
sand umbra
none of them reached 200, I can tell you that much 
hollow shell
@cloud surge We did fix that when the resprite first happened
violet dagger
I'll probably repost both of my other suggs
hollow shell
What's that one function/mod people use to show hitboxes? Is it built into Terraria or is it a part of Modder's Toolkit or something?
cloud surge
But Its still happening to me 
sand umbra
the 1-2 combo of less-than-popular suggestion and absolute tank in star income was funny
also it's a thing in Modder's Toolkit
violet dagger
its modders toolkit
hollow shell
aight
Go pop in-game with Modder's Toolkit and see if you can show the funky hitbox, Shipman
violet dagger
also doggo head has a bit funky hitbox since sometimes im like a few pixels away from the head, im clearly not touching it and then i get insta'd but I guess hitboxes cant be that specific
cloud surge
how do i show the hitboxes?
cloud surge
yes modders toolkit
violet dagger
im loading into it rn
cloud surge
why cant you just tell me?
cloud surge
ah i found it
cloud surge
you could just told me its the empty eye on the bottom right...
hollow shell
Imagine memorizing all the positions of the Modder's Toolkit buttons
violet dagger
yes but i always overcomplicate things 
cloud surge
its not super funky but theres still some space under it
cloud surge
yeah that looks way too big
hollow shell
Aight yeah that PBG hitbox isn't nearly as bad as it was on implementation
Looks like more of a minor change
You can resuggest with that image added
(preferable to have it actually attached instead of putting an image link in your sugg, because otherwise the bot wont embed it)
violet dagger
I might sugg smth about doggo hitbox
violet dagger
hit enter to early as always?
cobalt pewter
Most likely so
novel belfry
I need to think this through
cobalt pewter
Then don't post until you made a proper sugg
novel belfry
fair enough
rough draft
Make Revengence mode-exclusive accessories for every boss
Several bosses throughout the mod have Revengence-exclusive accessories already, so giving the rest their very own would make things more consistent.
hollow shell
Thanks Shipman
violet dagger
I wish it were possible to make hitboxes that exactly match the sprite but that's probably not possible without a ton of unnecessary effort in all types of games
hollow shell
m
many more calculations and whatnot
whole sedge
Yeah, sadly hitboxes are gonna be messy for a long time and it's gonna be painful until computers and engines are good enough to do that
sand umbra
you say that like sprite-perfect hitboxes aren't already doable
the issue is that Terraria is made on a decade-old setup
one that is literally only used in modern times by Terraria
plain cloak
All Calamity Bars should be placable. Change my mind.
dapper coral
apparently there's some janky stuff regarding that
and it might even be in the don'ts doc
heady storm
I believe it is under "frequently suggested."
cobalt pewter
The end of the don't doc
I wonder what's up with exo gun tho
Now I just noticed it's nowhere in the game
novel belfry
its not like we have something something Elemental Blaster or something
violet dagger
if terry is the reason there's no exo gun bc he hates ranger then I'm not surprised
novel belfry
Someone could just donate to patreon to do that themselves, the exo yoyo is a donator item
heady storm
The difference?
radiant meadow
right now, thematics
exo is the rainbow sort of weapons
oracle isn't rainbow
like exoblade, gladius, magnomaly, gale, ssv, vivid, immat, celestus, supernova
and photo which I didn't forget existed
cobalt pewter
so exo mechs will be rainbow?
violet dagger
Later on when draedon is a thing it'll matter more
Since auric will be after yharon used for draedon
And then exo will be after draedon for scal
I'm p sure that's how it'll be
ashen warren
can a mod post the emote pls
dapper coral
i gotchu
ashen warren
ty
violet dagger
Someone make a mmm myes pet acid froge meme emote for that summon
If that gets suggested I'm not going to be surprised
I should probably go to sleep now before spouting some more nonsense
radiant meadow
The buff icon?
violet dagger
Isn't the whole thing kinda a reference to that meme
radiant meadow
I just think the buff icon would be the easiest to turn into an emote
violet dagger
Yea
I might try something
But I suck
Anyways I wouldn't be surprised at all if that was suggested considering calam versions of meme emotes
Inb4 I start a whole conversation about this and don't get any sleep
cobalt pewter
mmm myes
terse estuary
froge
hollow shell
@ashen warren You gotta give a reason
untold cargo
Any reasoning?
hollow shell
(make sure it's on a separate line. Shift+Enter)
pastel terrace
Boss Zen affects every area on the server, right?
As in multiplayer, boss zen affects everyone right?
wooden wedge
Yes
whole sedge
Mhmm
chilly solstice
This is like a textbook example of suggestion bomb-dropping lol
It has a good counterargument in that you already can craft the dolls relatively easy
heady storm
That'll be earning my exclamation too actually.
heady storm
Suggbot will actually remove reactions if they aren't from a moderator iIrc.
gray nebula
what is that sugg
"please make it so i can cheat stuff buut cheat it more conveniently pls"
dull prawn
but i want to make a sunken sea themed house before i start a new character
not wanting to cheat or anything
having to build stuff as im playing through is boring
gray nebula
yeah but if we made it require a hardmode pick it would break the progression for no reason, and like
limber ocean
the wording is weird
gray nebula
how would you get a hardmode pickaxe before starting a playthrough
dull prawn
its my first time making a suggestion
limber ocean
and I mean, I see your point, but at the same time it's kinda weird
distant gyro
that's alright but
i think i will be more frustrated if i build in prehm and i need a hardmode pick to break navystone causing a temporary mess
limber ocean
are both options not possible
gray nebula
yeah the suggestion is extremely weird and only beneficial to an incredibly niche group
limber ocean
like, you either need a HM pickaxe or beat DS
dull prawn
ok i may have worded it a bit wrong but i use a different character that has all the building stuff
limber ocean
or the only way to do that is to make blocks straight up unbreakable
dull prawn
with cheat sheet so its easier
gray nebula
if you're gonna cheat sheet a pickaxe, why not cheat sheet navystone blocks instead, and if you're gonna use a character from a different world, why not bring with them navystone from your other world
limber ocean
^
dull prawn
doesnt that mean you still cant break it bc its tied to the world?
ashen warren
if you're using cheat sheet then use the paint tools to copy air then place it on the navystone
hollow shell
And also you can just butcher DS
dull prawn
fair point about cheat sheet though
distant gyro
most on-boss defeated conditions are world dependent
limber ocean
yeah, if you have cheet sheet, DS should take about 4 or 5 clicks, give or take
and its defeat doesn't fuck the world state that much
it's not like spawning, Idk, WoF
dull prawn
im planning on doing a nohit deathmode run and i want to get all the building stuff done before i start
so i dont waste so much time making npc houses and boss arenas
limber ocean
again, what stops you from spawning it and butchering it?
ashen warren
nohit playthrough sounds like bruh
limber ocean
you can always just... do it legit right after you're done
ashen warren
hollow shell
???
tawny garden
why did you post this here
ashen warren
Mutants_Theme
hollow shell
Is this relevant to any suggestion, Keonzo?
limber ocean
what the
limber ocean
???
hollow shell
This is not a casual discussion channel
tawny garden
hollow shell
please keep it to #general-media
untold cargo
u cant suggest specific weapons
gray nebula
jovial spire
@latent tide Specific weapon suggestions arn't allowed.
tawny garden
wot
untold cargo
WHOT
latent tide
oh sry didn't know
untold cargo
this rabbit one
tawny garden
W H Y
heady lichen
^
jovial spire
@ashen warren You need to format your suggestion correctly, if you wouldn't mind
tawny garden
violet dagger
Sugg system is dying 
heady lichen
sugg system has fallen so far
tawny garden
2 brainets in a minute
jovial spire
Look at the pins in #suggestions-posting
And it'll tell you the format you're supposed to use
tawny garden
5 hours to wait
violet dagger
Well at least I can beat yharon in that time
you can edit suggestions
also not much of a reason tbh
untold cargo
ngl its not very self explanatory to me
faint needle
"Its kind of self explanatory" best reason smh
tawny garden
"It’s kind of self explanatory" cannot be a part of a valid reason
you should always explain, even if it's obvious to you
frail mantle
there's not really a point in deleting it, mods can see deleted messages anyway
tawny garden
they sent a middle finger in this channel
violet dagger
if a moderator sees that it'll probably net them a nice warn
sleek turret
also im a bit later, but, isn't last prism a indirect upgrade of Charged Blaster Cannon?
tawny garden
but if you mean "indirect", then prolly ye
sleek turret
zenith hazel
so is this reason just "because it looks cool"?
dapper coral
if you're referring to the rabbit one, then yea kind of
i suppose the question is why it needs to be a calamity addition, rather than another mod
in this case
@ashen warren
sand umbra
WHY CAN'T PEOPLE JUST READ PINS
I've said it before and I will gladly say it again
it sounds paradoxical, but you'd be stunned how smart people can be when it comes to bein' dumb
people will intentionally avoid learnin' themselves a thing or two and will act as stupid as humanly possible to be wow so quirky so relatable or to get a laugh outta others
even though, particularly in this pair of channels, it shouldn't be that way
because somehow, someway, it seems to be the general concept that bein' stupid gets you way more attention than bein' smart
clever canopy
Nah I think they’re just stupid
sand umbra
that is also very much a possibility
clever canopy
Even before reading the pins I could tell from reading existing suggestions that there was a formula, so it’s really not a stretch to go from that to checking the pins
violet dagger
quiz to be able to use a channel setting when discord
when u type !! instead of ~~ for strikethrough
sand umbra
but the fact remains that they will stay stupid, intentionally, because it gets them funny views on Roblox and YouTube algorithm favor and attention from important people here and whatnot
tawny garden
because somehow, someway, it seems to be the general concept that bein' stupid gets you way more attention than bein' smart
m, [[wikipedia:Herostratus]]
red stormBOT
clever canopy
Yeah I’d be successful rich and famous if only I wasn’t born so smart
clever canopy
You can’t look at a small minority of dumb yet successful people on the internet and make any claims about “society” or “these days”
For the vast majority of people being dumb will not be an advantage
violet dagger
people find that being dumb in the earlier stages of life gets them everywhere
and then they continue into adult hood
tawny garden
ye, I think it's just that you notice successful dumbasses more than you notice unsuccessful ones, or successful smart people
violet dagger
and go
dapper coral
this is a wonderful conversation and all, but seems more apt for a different channel, perhaps
analog tulip
i read the pins but i dont know how to make my text white like the header
tawny garden
**Bold**
dapper coral
although bold isn't quite necessary for a suggestion, it's just nice to have
tawny garden
and it's not important, the embed will bold it for you when the bot sends the sugg into #suggestions-voting
((wow, the bot takes quite a while to spin up and remove my reaction))
sand umbra
so anywho have we already sufficiently discussed the latest sugg
tawny garden
I meant the ❗
sand umbra
because the latest sugg makes no sense, at least to me
dapper coral
I meant the ❗
yeah that one
tawny garden
don't star it
dapper coral
i assume it takes a while because of discord being silly
sand umbra
yes, explain the system to the local grumpster that knows the system too well
dapper coral
i think it's meant to say pre-hardmode, actually
tawny garden
local grumpster
global*
dapper coral
the question is whether i just delete it
dapper coral
because it doesn't make sense
sand umbra
(because the suggestion makes no sense and the same applies to the "reasoning" behind it)
dapper coral
i'm assuming it's supposed to say pre-hardmode pickaxe
based on the reasoning they provided
tawny garden
ah, I'm dumb
sand umbra
Changing it so it requires a hardmode pickaxe to mine means that you have to have to use cheat sheet or a different character to do so
hollow shell
What's wrong with Viri's sugg?
sand umbra
heh?
heeeeeeeeeeeeehhh?
tawny garden
I couldn't even understand the reasoning
sand umbra
no
dapper coral
their reasoning is geared towards a pre-hardmode pickaxe requirement, but the title and reasoning both reference a hardmode pickaxe requirement
sand umbra
it's not valid if the reasoning contradicts itself
tawny garden
if you just entered a newly created world, it's pre-hardmode
sand umbra
hmmm yes this early-game is made of early-game
dapper coral
wait
Changing it so it requires a hardmode pickaxe to mine means that you have to have to use cheat sheet or a different character to do so
what does this even mean
tawny garden
oh, but you could transfer a pickaxe from HM
dapper coral
now i don't know what they want
hollow shell
He thinks that that is a good thing
fossil finch
The reasoning was kinda like "make so i don't have to kill ds to get navistone if i had a hm pick
sand umbra
now you see why I don't think it's valid
dapper coral
oh
sand umbra
the reasoning contradicts itself
dapper coral
wait so they're saying that if you skip DS for some reason then you should still be able to get navystone
ah
tawny garden
ok this is really confusing
sand umbra
bitch I'm not gonna wait until Hardmode to mine a post-DS black
dapper coral
i mean, okay, but you could just kill DS with hardmode gear at that point and it would take like 5 seconds
sand umbra
I'm gonna beat up the piss-easy worm and then mine the post-piss-easy-worm block
tawny garden
use cheat sheet to get the summon
sand umbra
with Hardmode gear it's not even a fight, it's just shooting your weapon for like a second and bam you're done
fossil finch
But, they reasoning is basically telling the reader "i created a new character and a new world, but i want navystone without killing ds, so please let me cheat in a hardmode pick to do so"
hollow shell
The suggestion would be better if it was that
the player is allowed to mine Navystone with a Hardmode (or late PreHM) pickaxe req
and it was not only locked behind DS throughout the whole game
alongside being able to kill DS
to mine it
dapper coral
but even so there's still a major flaw
tawny garden
I think they mean that, Rover
sand umbra
but it's not clear at all
dapper coral
in that DS is literally the easiest boss in the game, other than KS, and it shouldn't take that much effort to just do that instead of adding another possible requirement
sand umbra
the wording of the sugg heavily contradicts that concept
hollow shell
They said "rather than", so I don't think that's what they meant
dapper coral
and also it's contradictory too
can people who aren't in the server see pings if they come back?
hollow shell
Are they coming back
sand umbra
probably not
dapper coral
dunno
tawny garden
send a friend request
dapper coral
their last message was about 10 minutes after they posted the sugg
hollow shell
well
@dull prawn Read all the above feedback and rework your suggestion accordingly.
Here is your suggestion:
Change navystone so it requires a hardmode pickaxe to mine, rather than after Desert Scourge has been defeated
It makes it inconvenient if you are wanting to make themed npc houses for a new character/playthrough (I like making mini biomes for mine) requiring that you finish building everything else first, start the new character to kill desert scourge, and then finish building. Changing it so it requires a hardmode pickaxe to mine means that you have to have to use cheat sheet or a different character to do so, and allowing people to still make builds out of it before desert scourge.
and now I will delete it from posting
fuck hang on
@dull prawn
There
tawny garden
their last message was about 10 minutes after they posted the sugg
ding dong ditching taken to a whole new level
sand umbra
pinging a person without them being there at the time of the ping does nothing I'm pretty sure
hollow shell
¯_(ツ)_/¯
sand umbra
and they're not in the server (and likely won't be returning) so 
hollow shell
and @ashen warren has been offline for 12 hours
dapper coral
i don't see the issue with this one, unless there is a reason that eidolist specifically doesn't get a bar?
analog tulip
maybe because its not catergorized as a boss bar but idk
tawny garden
there is no issue
analog tulip
as mini boss*
dapper coral
iirc it was based on a certain amount of health? which is why cnidrion doesn't have one?
but idk for sure
tawny garden
there's no such thing as a "mini boss" in the game source
sand umbra
Demik, counterpoint:
Eidolists literally have 10k health
that's more than a Biome Mimic, which does get a bar
violet dagger
and only 1 being able to be alive at once now implies it's now a miniboss
dapper coral
yessir
tawny garden
I'm pretty sure that there's just a banlist of enemies that do get a bar
tawny garden
somewhere in the hp bar code
violet dagger
ye
analog tulip
there attacks also do a pretty good amount of damage
tawny garden
the only problem with the sugg is that right at the end you say "boss bar" instead of "boss health bar"
nitpick
analog tulip
ok just edited it to fix that
dapper coral
seems fine now to me
hollow shell
Probably should say 'boss health bar' in the top line too
Also the Eidolist being more dangerous than the Paladin is arguable
cuz the Paladin has 50 defense as well as 45% DR in Rev
whereas Eidolist has 0 of both, making it die a lot faster
analog tulip
true
hollow shell
In Expert, Paladin and Eidolist have the same health but Paladin deals more damage than Eidolist does
(In Rev too, actually)
rare kernel
eidolists spawn earlier than paladins do though
hollow shell
That's true at least
analog tulip
wait do Eidolists spawn as soon as hardmode starts or as soon as plantera is killed
hollow shell
Hardmode
analog tulip
an Eidolist would be a threat in early hardmode in the dungeon
if you accidently hit it
left crest
eidolists getting a bar sounds good
hollow shell
You could add that to your suggestion
left crest
because if you're killing eidolist for the LC summon you might be doing it in early hardmode, when eidolists are a significant threat
analog tulip
edited it
sleek turret
As soon Hardmode enters, you are able to summon LC by using Eidolon Tablet.
In a casual Rev+ PT is not recommended, but on a normal difficulty "speedrun" PT, LC has almost the same HP as both Twins.
tawny garden
@gentle sage specific item suggs aren't allowed
dapper coral
indeed
you can suggest that there be a dye from the sunken sea biome, but no specific names like that
tawny garden
also you have no reason
(I guess in this case I'd allow it, cause it's borderline and there's nothing else it could be)
tawny garden
but if you want it, at least have a reason in your sugg
gentle sage
Yeah sorry about that
ashen warren
hey guys
remember my loadouts suggestion?
someone made it into a mod
this is awesome!
tawny garden
cool, but which sugg is that?
chilly solstice
And what would it have to do with Calamity in the first place?..
dapper coral
oop, that picture broke
tawny garden
that picture looks fantastic
so beautiful
I'm guessing it's not in #deleted-notifications
dapper coral
nope
tawny garden
@cosmic voidcould you resend the picture for your sugg here, it kinda broke
dapper coral
just put it here and i'll stick it in voting manually
tawny garden
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/749135304304099411
just LETSFUCKINGGOOO'ED in a sugg channel
dapper coral
i did a ben
tawny garden
zenith hazel
oh boy it's time
hollow shell
It is time sorry I was in the middle of a run
dapper coral
it's that time
tawny garden
iirc 17 suggs are affected
zenith hazel
17 is already like 10 more than usual
hollow shell
I'll get started, then
fiery rapids
how difficult would it be to have the suggestion bot send messages?
tawny garden
sending messages to a different guild is easy, there's a function for that in the api
the catch is that there are tags
gray nebula
but then there's the tagging of suggs
we already had this discussion iirc and it came down to "too much effort for not enough actual benefits"
also epicly getting the dev part of the sugg channel spammed
tawny garden
zenith hazel
alright that should be everything
tawny garden
good job
sand umbra
it has occurred
time to--
wait a minute slowmode and sugg limit exist
fek
I'm gonna need to spread this out over a few days 
tawny garden
mmlol
@hollow shell update this https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/465195069406707722/713643186366578708
also it still needs to mention❗
cosmic void
Hrrm, I don't have the picture anymore
sand umbra
...might repasta my old mat removal suggs first
tawny garden
m, did you trash it?
sand umbra
should I condense them all into one sugg, or no?
tawny garden
no
robust lava
The Thomas re-suggestioning will be upon us soon
tawny garden
7 suggs hit the req in 2 days?
zenith hazel
be nice with the suggestions
if we get like 7 delivered suggs/day again you know the deal
sand umbra
e
gray nebula
tawny garden
just repost the suggs when you selfsabotaged
sand umbra
don't worry literally none of them reached 200 to my knowledge
distant gyro
strike at the right moment
violet dagger
I have a bunch of suggs if i beat yharon today
distant gyro
aka when the star count changes
violet dagger
maybe watching leviathan's new video will help
tawny garden
that's not the right moment, Altix
distant gyro
practically you'd have to do it a day earlier, so you're too late on that
tawny garden
that is very much the wrongest moment
sand umbra
the last time I presumed the star count changing was the right moment two entire subsets of suggestions of mine got scammed by a sudden plummet in star income
and also self-sabotage probably but shush
distant gyro
i have past experience that the suggestions after the star change tend to meet their delivery levels in a day or so
sand umbra
time to kill Ancient Bone Dust then 
violet dagger
this is the first time star count has been lowered
tawny garden
ye
violet dagger
by the looks of it
tawny garden
it is
violet dagger
probably because the star count was lower on the previous systems
distant gyro
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/714921770020372550 look at that beast of a wall after the star count change
hollow shell
hrm
violet dagger
no
cosmic void
I think the image broke because the suggestion itself got deleted
violet dagger
it just got into voting
hollow shell
I think he might need to
violet dagger
and it's affected by the lowering
hollow shell
And we'll delete the one in voting
distant gyro
the image didn't work yes
hollow shell
Also that's not how it works gseal, the lowering was retroactive
tawny garden
oh, and manually approve
hollow shell
yeah
So
Yeah sure you can repost, Dakota
(about 44 voters will need to reinstate their vote, but this should be better for your sugg in the long run anyway cuz of the helpful image)
tawny garden
darn, 43 stars will be lost
cosmic void
Thank you xP
faint needle
Why did Dakota reupload
hollow shell
Image broke in voting
faint needle
Oh
robust lava
Explained right above
sand umbra
bruh moment
tawny garden
a good thing to do is to fucking read prev. messages
sand umbra
yes that's a good thing to do
violet dagger
unless that broke
hollow shell
Right I coulda done that considering it was consecutive
Jumped the gun on the deletion
faint needle
Yeah like mods did with letsfuckinggo and that scarf sugg
hollow shell
I was about to suggest to Dakota that he convert the image into a JPG or something so it is encoded differently
cosmic void
Could still be removed and I do that
hollow shell
May as well try
tawny garden
could the slowmode be reset?
violet dagger
not for one person
cosmic void
No biggie
violet dagger
the whole slow mode has to be removed
tawny garden
only Thomas will be affected
violet dagger
cosmic void
Here's a .jpg either way, I can repost or whatever soon
tawny garden
apart from Dakota
hollow shell
Aight cool, thank you
hollow shell
yeah if it breaks again I'll just, post it like the LETSFUCKINGGOOO emote
dapper coral
yeah, do a ben
hollow shell
uhhh I'm pretty sure an animation is supposed to play
sleek turret
let me check the wiki
hollow shell
Yeah it's in the sheet
If it's not playing that may be a bug @wispy heron
wispy heron
oh, ok then
sleek turret
Yes, it has an start animation and a final animation.
hollow shell
Likely
tawny garden
did smb send a message in #suggestions-posting and then instantly delete it?
hollow shell
Yes it was a sugg that was actually (probably) a bug
tawny garden
ah
hollow shell
aight @cosmic void I think you can repost now
tawny garden
hm, for some reason the messages above didn't show up as unread
aight @static falconver I think you can approve now
dapper coral
tf
heady storm
Rip that ping.
dapper coral
that is strange indeed
tawny garden
it resends as a download link
cosmic void
I am the sad
tawny garden
hmm, you know what
cosmic void
But hopefully it climbs again
tawny garden
if someone posts a test sugg with an image and it gets approved and it also does that, that'd indicate a bot problem
tawny garden
mb Amber messed with em
hollow shell
I'll test
tawny garden
unreal viper
Did the star count get lowered?
violet dagger
yes
unreal viper
@sand umbra Repost evil series time, tho I suppose you're doing material series first.
tawny garden
ok
tawny garden
oh, now we can have rover approved rover memes
sand umbra
yeeeees, that is the plan
I'm doing suggs one at a time though so that people have time to star each one more
evil series repasta will come after material death series repasta
hollow shell
I could have used a much funnier Rover-based image but I didn't wanna come off as meme-ing in official channels
sand umbra
(material death series may also be getting expanded this time around)
(since those suggs were originally posted I've found a couple other materials which could stand to perish)
sturdy geyser
rover banned for posting memes 😳
tawny garden
violet dagger
hollow shell
What materials are they
may I ask
hollow shell
👍
sand umbra
so the original trilogy was Ancient Bone Dust, Ectoblood, and Maneater Bulbs + Gypsy Powder, right
unreal viper
I think so.
cosmic void
Suggestion was deleted again? o:
hollow shell
Suggestions are always deleted from #suggestions-posting when they're reposted in #suggestions-voting
It's in voting
hollow shell
It's aight
ashen warren
possibly fixed, give it 15 seconds or so to re-initialise
hollow shell
aight
sand umbra
as a sneak peek, here are some other materials where I've found arguments for deletion since posting the original trilogy:
- Evil Essences (all uses can just be replaced with the pre-existing evil-exclusive mats and nothing would change)
- Cloaking Glands (used for 1 potion which could honestly just drop directly and in most cases isn't useful anyway, kill or give more purpose to both)
- Enchanted Metal (p. sure I already made a sugg on this, but tl;dr there are better potential ways --- now more than ever with the addition of Draedon's Arsenal shit --- to ease the process of farming Mech summons, and the one time it had any other purpose there was literally a whole point made to make it not have that purpose. heeeeeeehhh?)
- Hadarian Membranes (used for one item which can stand to just drop directly and isn't even on the same tier, kill or give more purpose)
- Murky Paste (Jungle still has too many mats ae. also probably something about how you could replace all uses of this with some other Jungle mat and nothing would change. I'm iffier on this one)
- Murky Sludge (there are honestly other mats that would fill this stuff's purpose much better, I think)
a lot of Calamity's material bloat right now tends to rest in the Jungle and sorta the evils, thinking about it further
sturdy geyser
poggers
hollow shell
Yes this all makes sense
cept uhh
Murky Sludge is a lil bit trickier
Also arguably Hadarian Membranes are fine in that they are consistent with other wing mats (the feathers)
sand umbra
mmmmmm
see I'd start to argue against you but I don't wanna ramble for 15 minutes
tl;dr wing tokens suck and are not a good standard to follow
sturdy geyser
wing mats aren't exactly good design though
hollow shell
yeah but we can't do anything about em
sand umbra
yeah you can do things about the Membranes
though, for Membranes in particular
alternatively
you can add some new shit which takes them to craft
there's like nothing crafted primarily out of Astral mats currently
so like if they're not gonna die they could really do with having more purpose
tawny garden
Suggbot came online
sinful steeple
The only similarity between like ancient bone dust and bones is they're both bone based items
dapper coral
one is bone, and the other is smushed bone
sinful steeple
Also it gives an incentive to fight the underground skeleton enemies other than the skeleton archer, which is honestly a good thing
hollow shell
Awesome, works now
sand umbra
everything that uses ABD uses Bones or some other much later mat as well, with the only exception being Calcium Potions
hollow shell
@ashen warren All good 👍
tawny garden
yey
hollow shell
I do actually kinda like the incentivization to kill normal Underground skeletons
Right now they drop
Bone Sword (amazing)
Ancient Helmets (amazing)
vanity Skull (amazing)
and Hook (amazing)
ashen warren
epic, i don't even remember what i did but epic
tawny garden
sinful steeple
That's not really very much considering that there's only four recipes that use ancient bone dust
sand umbra
sinful steeple
And also it's actually 2 items that use ancient bone dust and no bones
sinful steeple
Which isn't bones
sand umbra
however they are both Hardmode items
sinful steeple
So?
It's not like materials become irrelevant after their tier, essences are important even endgame despite being just after WoF
sand umbra
that's because they're used in the most unnecessarily complex compression tree I have ever seen
Cores of Calamity are used for like everything in late-game
sand umbra
...that's because it's a post-ML mat
I have problems with Phantoplasm, don't get the wrong idea
sinful steeple
What's wrong with phantoplasm?
sand umbra
but the concept that it is useful far after the tier you start being able to get it is not one of them
the issue with Ancient Bone Dust is that any purpose it has outside of Calcium Potions, thematically speaking, can be filled just as well by other mats, be they added to or already in the related recipes
unreal viper
What about bones for calcium pots.
sinful steeple
Ancient bone dust also helps make marble caves better because they're commonly dropped by the javelin guys
hollow shell
A little issue is that you don't acknowledge in your sugg that Crumbling Potions use no Bones
You only mention that ABD would be replaced with Bones in Calcium's recipe
sturdy geyser
why do crumbling potions use ancient bone dust in the first place
sand umbra
(ofuck you're right)
sinful steeple
ABD honestly does more help than harm as they are
hollow shell
because "crumbling"
sand umbra
(lemme fix that so that it says those can use Bones as well 
)
hollow shell
Ancient Bone Dust is fuckin pulverized bones
sinful steeple
They could be more used but like really what problems do they cause
hollow shell
Thomas doesn't like redundant materials
sand umbra
^
material bloat is a real problem that large mods tend to suffer from
and Calamity has. quite a bit of it, to be blunt
hollow shell
His strongest argument is Maneater Bulbs
because Maneaters already drop Vines near-exclusively, so Maneater Bulbs can easily be replaced with Vines in all Calamity recipes
sinful steeple
Then get rid of materials that don't help much at all?
hollow shell
That's the idea
sinful steeple
Like hadarian membranes, what do they do that's good
sand umbra
Hadarian Membranes are in a really awkward spot, I agree
they're post-Aureus yet the one thing they're used for takes Astral Bars anyway
novel belfry
lots of materials in vanilla are exclusively for wings, so at least it's somewhat okayish
hollow shell
(at least it allows you to build up a stock over time and you don't need to farm em post-Deus)
sinful steeple
You don't really see hadarians much, though
sand umbra
(they're used for literally one thing that isn't even on the same tier e)
hollow shell
Exactly Macaroni (kinda)
sinful steeple
Skeleton type enemies are all over and basically there's nothing worth it that any of them drop except for ench quiver
The cave skeletons not the dungeon skeletons
novel belfry
honestly i don't really like how astral infection spawns hardmode, where another infective biome also spawns, but that's something too large for me to actually sugg
sinful steeple
Astral infection doesn't spread though
It's not actually infectious it's just... There
sand umbra
that's not even the word, it's Magic Quiver
also from skeleton-type non-Dungeoneers: Marrow from literally the exact same enemy, Beam Sword (wait a minute this sucks never mind), Armor Polish, Bone Sword to beat things up, Ancient helmets, Hook for an early grappling hook, Javelins + Gladiator armor from Hoplites (the latter even has an immensely increased drop rate in Calamity)
novel belfry
i mean when it was just a meteor it made sense
but then it becomes another infectious biome with a infection in the name, yet it doesn't spread
i honestly wish that its spawntime would be moved to after moonlord dies
sinful steeple
Okay... One word difference from magic quiver
hollow shell
mmm moving it to post-ML is a bit extreme
novel belfry
that's why I thought it was too much for me to sugg, so I guess this is going on deaf ears
hollow shell
((Also Marrow, Beam Sword, and Armor Polish are only the HM skeletons))
fossil finch
You would also need to move aureus and deus to post moonlord
novel belfry
yeah and that too
sand umbra
(the HM skeletons still drop Ancient Bone Dust and I'm making a point)
hollow shell
ok
fossil finch
And every early-hmode craft with stardust would need to be changed
sinful steeple
Basically none of those are very useful or are obtainable more easily elsewhere
sand umbra
(the point being that there's already a good deal of loot from non-Dungooner skeletons that is worth getting, ABD notwithstanding)
sinful steeple
But the thing is, nearly none of it is worth getting/worth your time waiting for the skeletons specifically to show up
sand umbra
Gladiator armor in particular not only has a greatly increased drop rate but is buffed into a rogue set by Calamity
that's from Hoplites (the "javelin guys" you mentioned)
sinful steeple
Yeah but the thing is, there's already enough rogue sets easier to get and if you just use one of those you'd be further than if you farmed
You don't even need to get far at all to get sulphurous armour
sand umbra
.
alright
this isn't gonna get anywhere like this, so let me present to you a variant of the prompt that makes more sense:
Why should Ancient Bone Dust be kept in the game as it is right now, given that various skeletons drop other items already and other mats can fill the thematic purpose of ABD and do it better?
tawny garden
to increase the wiki page count
violet dagger
yes wiki points for everyone
hollow shell
(I mean, I disagree that other items will fill the "thematic" purpose of ABD better. That argument only applies to Crumbling, and replacing it with Bones or removing it entirely will take away slightly from the "crumbling" theme.
Calcium ABD replaced with Bones is more of a gameplay argument than a thematic argument because of the tier-shift that would result)
sinful steeple
They drop items but are the items they drop worth it? Not really, honestly. ABD is pretty worth tryna get if there are things you'd want from it, it's just that it's not used much
sand umbra
You can use ABD for all of one thing before fighting Skeletron or WoF.
One very particular thing which I have a special breed of disdain for and which invalidates multiple other item effects including completely cucking the Lucky Horseshoe, an accessory typically found later than the average underground skeleton.
sinful steeple
So then make it used in more stuff?
sand umbra
Like what?
sinful steeple
I dunno, do you expect me to have a list?
sand umbra
Even just one or two things will do. I'm looking to get examples here, not a whole-ass list.
The whole-ass list is my job.
sinful steeple
sand umbra
although if ABD can be reasonably saved from death with more uses I wanna suggest a rework to, or the removal of, Calcium Potions
would people be against that or
sinful steeple
Absolutely not calcium pots are kinda stupid
sand umbra
good to see we agree on something
gaunt quest
I mean I use them when I was using certain accessories that didn't allow for me to have horseshoe
sand umbra
hollow shell
I've never used Calcium Pots cuz I didn't think they were very useful
sand umbra
tl;dr Lucky Horseshoe in a Bottle
tawny garden
iirc a calcium potion rework has been sugged in the past
sinful steeple
They don't sound useful but like they completely invalidate horseshoe
sand umbra
it's Lucky Horseshoe as a potion effect
tawny garden
or was it a repurpose/relocation sugg?
sturdy geyser
lucky horseshoe will be gotten from gold chests in 1.4.1
tawny garden
🤷♂️
sand umbra
(I'd also say "and earlier" but there's a change to Lucky Horseshoe in the final update which is--)
sinful steeple
To be fair, you could buff horseshoe instead of nerf calcium but idk
sand umbra
(yeah)
sturdy geyser
which is something to keep in mind
sand umbra
(that)
sturdy geyser
the accessory would be from the same place as the potion
sand umbra
yeah Horseshoe is gonna be found in underground Gold Chests once 1.4.1 drops
which makes it even more awkward
sinful steeple
Yeah but that doesn't really help much
It'd be on the same tier then but like... Come on. Which would you choose between, horseshoe or calcium pot
sand umbra
Calcium Potions, easily
you have 5 (6 in Master) acc slots
you have 
buff slots
the only downside to Calcium Potions is that they require a bit of upkeep
sinful steeple
Yeah, which isn't really a downside
sturdy geyser
but
sand umbra
yeah that's. not a downside at all compared to the immense advantage it provides over Horseshoe
which is freeing up an accessory slot
sturdy geyser
that early in the game you don't have that many accessories to choose from
tawny garden
or you'll have wings in a bit
sinful steeple
Honestly in general horseshoe should probably get a buff, even with the retier and even if there was a calcium nerf because it just isn't very helpful
hollow shell
I personally dislike managing potions so I think Horseshoe would be a better investment
just me tho
sturdy geyser
and yes, fledgling wings will be in sky chests
sinful steeple
Probably actually gonna make a sugg about a horseshoe buff since it just kinda stinks anyway
tawny garden
I personally dislike managing potions so I think Horseshoe would be a better investment
horseshoe balloons are a bit better than that
sand umbra
but you see, Philo
Horseshoe Balloons don't upgrade into BoB
and what is an accessory loadout in Calamity if not dominated by meta
tawny garden
that's been bugging me for a year and a half and I never got around to sugging cause I didn't care too much and I used wings as soon as I could
sinful steeple
Actually wait would that count as sugg chaining if Thomas' sugg mentions horseshoe getting kinda memed on by calcium pot
Or whatever it was called
sand umbra
if your sugg stands on its own then no
hollow shell
@teal whale You should be more clear with the line "don't summon actual minions"
Do you specifically want more head-hover minions?
teal whale
yeah
hollow shell
Alright, top line should be reworded then
At first I thought you were talking about weapons like Borealis Bomber
which have no minion slots
hollow shell
aighty
tawny garden
the head hover minions are still minions
teal whale
should be better/more clear
hollow shell
Your top line wasn't changed . _.
teal whale
fuck hang on
clever canopy
There’s quite a few head minions already tbh and I like the one summon limit
teal whale
im not asking for more specifically
clever canopy
Just so you know you can summon more than one at a time as long as they’re different
teal whale
but changing some of them to work like sirius at different stages in the prehm/hm would add a lot of consistency
yeah i understand that
clever canopy
Like you can summon frost blossom and sun spirit at the same time which is pretty good for that point in the game
Also if you go for the reaver shark you can get the cinder blossom at the same time
Add that to the armor bonus from victide and I really don’t think it needs a buff
teal whale
but if you take pre slime god/wof for example, the head hover minions are a waste of minion slots
clever canopy
How come?
teal whale
not enough damage for the cost of a minion slot when that slot could be taken up by two herrings
at the same time, herrings dont deal with slime god that well once the bigger slimes have been taken out
simply too fast
clever canopy
I think having the one minion limit just adds more variety to the summoner class, if you could just keep summoning them for more damage it’d take away that variety
violet dagger
anyways if any more minions of that type were added, then balance them correctly so we dont get another sirius or saros
teal whale
yeah, variety is a fair point, but would it not be considered adding variety if you were picking and optimizing minion slots to find the perfect balance between the over head minions and normal ones?
clever canopy
You can use the cinder blossom staff up to wof as it helps deal with the hungries that get close to you while herrings are busy with the wof
unreal viper
Huh.
teal whale
for balancing, i was thinking of making them weaker than regular minions of the same tier
glass sentinel
1k dps
unreal viper
I hate herrings, so I'll keep that in mind.
fossil finch
Wich is easy af
sand umbra
evil slimes are actually garbage unless you have an arena specifically tailored to them
fossil finch
Going to abyss is piss easy lol
glass sentinel
thats not specifically tailored
sand umbra
an arena whose ground is entirely flat and can easily reach one of the eyes
that is very much specifically tailored
how many people do you know that have the patience to literally flatten Hell for an arena they'll never use again
tawny garden
...hi that's me
tawny garden
(well, I didn't flatten it, but I did excavate a lot of it)
sand umbra
...I think that's the first time someone's invoked Exact Words on me
clever canopy
That kinda makes me think about how it’d be nice if minions could walk on lava/water if you had waders or a water walking potion
sand umbra
clearly I am off my game
sand umbra
anywho in my experience evil slimes weren't really impressive at all when fighting WoF
herrings were way more consistent
however, on the other side of the same coin
herrings are actually fucking trash at keeping up with SG
glass sentinel
ngl i used hornets for SG
violet dagger
haha aestheticus
glass sentinel
bc they shot fast
clever canopy
Grounded minions in general are pretty bad
sand umbra
hornets are lowkey hella good as minions
sand umbra
consistent, frequent fire rate
relatively fast projectiles
and free Poison tick damage
clever canopy
For most bosses you gotta dodge way too much for ground minions to keep up and deal damage
sand umbra
the main reason imps aren't better is because imp fire rate has the consistency of a wet piece of paper
clever canopy
Fixed in 1.4 thankfully
teal whale
i wouldnt say "fixed", but the higher rate of fire helps
clever canopy
I’d say they’re better than hornets in 1.4, which is all that needed to happen for them to be fixed
teal whale
idk i dont like hornets
always preferred imps
though neither compare to ballista spam
sand umbra
b a l l i s t a
s p a m
the one summoning option that trumps all others for a large chunk of the game
teal whale
ballista spam actually makes master mode wof a joke
glass sentinel
exactly
teal whale
uh
glass sentinel
and d mode wof
teal whale
sanguine staff?
glass sentinel
actually DAD wof
clever canopy
I like that sentry spam is so effective though cause it actually gives summoners something to do other than dodge
haughty owl
Imagine doing SG last phase without head summons
sand umbra
wait a minute why is there a Spec Mask sugg
sinful steeple
You called?
clever canopy
The fact that head summons are so effective is exactly why they shouldn’t be buffed
teal whale
the thing is, even with head summons, it has 8000 health in death mode
sand umbra
more importantly how did it take me this fucking long to see that
no, no, I can't even point out the main flaw with it because it's already
there
@unreal viper hi I'm too late for this to affect the sugg but
Spectre Mask in particular was buffed like hell in 1.4 and is now actually disgustingly good
teal whale
and you have frost blossom, cinder blossom and sun spirit
good luck getting through that 8000 health
sand umbra
"but Thomas that doesn't count because Calamity isn't--"
I know that but it needs to be prepared for when 1.4 does come, because it will come and it will be fantastically awkward for most of the mod
e
sinful steeple
"e"
earnest vine
e.
sand umbra
only the finest of wisdom from yours truly
violet dagger
chain spotted
kil
sand umbra
(anywho that and Spectre is honestly on the high end of armor viability)
(if Reaver is substantially better than Spectre...I think there's a deeper problem than the latter being "bad", because it is most certainly not bad)
clever canopy
and you have frost blossom, cinder blossom and sun spirit
@teal whale that’s not the only minions you can have though, you can use other flying ones in conjunction
teal whale
yes, but the herring staff is really really bad at hitting it
clever canopy
Then use a different one
violet dagger
reaver is big meme