It’s just vaguely female
#suggestions-discussion
pastel terrace
sand umbra
Cal elementiddy is...
...very noticeable, for lack of less suggestive phrasing
chilly solstice
But why not leave them as they are? They are anthropomorphic, so it makes sense for them to choose a form of their liking. They're not like the Profaned Guardians (with little to no brain) or something
pastel terrace
I’d say tone it down
fossil finch
Brimmy 
swift wharf
Isn't brim getting a new sprite
fossil finch
Brimmy is getting toned down tho
swift wharf
Cloudy has armor
pastel terrace
But why not leave them as they are? They are antropomorphic, so it makes sense for them to choose a form of their liking. They're not like the Profaned Guardians (wih little to no brain) or something
Why the hell would they choose to have their busts out and huge?
dapper coral
brimmy is getting new sprite eventually™️
chilly solstice
Cause... Reasons? I'm sure lore writers will find a way to justify it lol
swift wharf
Anahita is fine
tawny garden
lemme try to justify
pastel terrace
Or maybe let’s not have them be eternally horny?
fossil finch
Who knows?
Do you know what elementals think?
It's a recurrent stuff, the only elemental without a humanoid female form is earth elemental
pastel terrace
Anahita is fine
Yeah, and so is cloud. I’m mainly concerned about the sandies and brimmy
chilly solstice
Yeah, they're not even human, their motifs and desires are kinda out of our understanding. Like, we're failing to comprehend...
Why Brimmy has hair?
Why only one eye?
pastel terrace
why a huge spoon?
swift wharf
Rare sandy doesn't even have tiddy
tawny garden
does this lead into a sugg?
pastel terrace
I was thinking of suggesting maybe toning down the horny factor of sandies and brimmy summons
fossil finch
Maybe they saw the simping goin with women and decided to have those forms so people worshipped them more?
tawny garden
I wouldn't worry too much, cause a resprite is already comin'
pastel terrace
For brimmy?
dapper coral
yea
pastel terrace
Nice
I feel like the sandies feel less like elementals and more like cute anime girls that just so happen to be made of sand
pastel terrace
Im not sure
dapper coral
i would hold off on any sugg regarding brimmy sprite until that new one is implemented
just because it's gonna change soon™️ anyways
pastel terrace
Should I suggest a change for sandies tho?
swift wharf
And you don't need more mining speed
tawny garden
if it's on class setups, that doesn't mean it's good
dapper coral
class setups is just what's obtainable at that tier
not what's good for those bosses
that's what boss guides are for
tawny garden
and doesn't completely and utterly suck
swift wharf
Yeah that makes sense
Giving an actual set bonus to cobalt->adamantium would be nice
In hm you get like, titanium pick which is very fasy
Fast
Mining pots and ancient fossil
sand umbra
bruh you don't need mining speed on HM ore armors
chilly solstice
I believe you cannot achieve maximum possible mining speed with Titanium pick + Ancient Fossil + Mining Potion. Ore set armor is still needed
sand umbra
doesn't matter, it's still hella fucking fast
pastel terrace
Special dialogue if you finish off SCal with a wand of sparking/copper short sword
sand umbra
that's like
dapper coral
no meme suggestions please
chilly solstice
...no?
sand umbra
digging claw levels of fast
you can always equip an armor that does have the mining bonus
such as: all of the pre-HM ore armors or Mining Armor
if you need to mine that fast and what you have right now ain't enough you're doing something terribly wrong
chilly solstice
Yeah, but they give miniscule defence
chilly solstice
I mean my main reasoning is to give HM ore armor sets at least some viability
tawny garden
it doesn't matter that you're serious, it's classified as a meme sugg
You know what’d be funny
only in your mind it is funny
violet dagger
The whole basis of that sugg is a meme
chilly solstice
only in your mind it is funny
@tawny garden wow, that was some well done roast
Even I felt that heat
Feel sorry for you @pastel terrace
For real tho, only serious suggestions, please
swift wharf
Platinum armor give like 20 defense
Gives*
The mod also adds a config to increase mining speed
chilly solstice
That's... Not something I want to consider using...
Feels like cheating like nothing else
sand umbra
HM ore armor sets are already
viable
what
literally fucking what
are we playing the same goddamn game
chilly solstice
Um... No, everything under Adamantite/Titanium is not
sand umbra
well no because Titanium outclasses everything else
swift wharf
Yeah
sand umbra
that doesn't mean the rest are completely inviable
chilly solstice
Also because Statigel set exists
sand umbra
Palladium and Orichalcum in particular have pretty useful niches
chilly solstice
But you can literally skip through first 2 ores and go straight for the 3rd set
swift wharf
Yeah
craggy stratus
regarding the event suggestion, doesnt boss zen affect the spawn rate of enemies in the event
sand umbra
that's not how that works 
altar ores don't even spawn on worldgen or on HM start
you have no way of knowing which 3 altar ores you get until you smash altars
swift wharf
You can also fish
sand umbra
and which you get out of each pair is completely random
you can, of course, also go fishing and completely defeat the point of altar smashing
swift wharf
After cryonic pick you get super mining speed
sand umbra
but this is a vanilla feature
dapper coral
i usually find it unlikely that i get all 3 alt ores or all 3 original ores
but it is possible
ig
hollow shell
200 stars
dapper coral
coolio
golden narwhal
Nice
radiant meadow
Not sure what the point in waiting 2 days is
if you're going to retroactively deliver suggs
craggy stratus
#suggestions-posting and #suggestions-voting has reached salvation
hollow shell
I like to let people know before a change happens
even if it doesn't really affect people, at least in the way they make suggestions or vote or w/e
s'just good to give heads up
radiant meadow
so there really is no point. you're just doing it out of habit
hollow shell
(sure)
pastel terrace
Idk if 1.4 is doing this but water bolt should probably be restricted to post Skeletron somehow
tawny garden
hollow shell
But I personally enjoy scourin the upper-level bookshelves
s'really the only reason to risk aggroing the DG
pastel terrace
I mean, we have frost and flare bolts
tawny garden
the 48 hours is to let people who deliver (so Brav) know that they're gonna have to get a lot of suggs there
tawny garden
hm, I'll count how many that is
hollow shell
(and it was my decision to have that be the case anyhow)
radiant meadow
I think they were going to know whether or not they had 48 hours or 0 hours.
gaunt quest
The water bolt is already getting restricted in 1.4 why do it now?
unreal viper
But that's a bit away.
hollow shell
Didn't know about that
pastel terrace
Neither did I
robust lava
Yeah, Water Bolt spawns lower in 1.4 I believe
gaunt quest
Yah they moved it farther down but it's still possible to get before skeletron just very rare lol
Sometimes it spawns right below the surface and if your lucky you can beat dg to it
real lintel
Has anyone ever considered adding a Vine Sword to this mod?
pastel terrace
Elaborate
hollow shell
^
gaunt quest
Isn't the blade of grass kinda that already lol
hollow shell
Blade of Grass exists
real lintel
I'm talking "Vinesauce" when i refer to vines
tawny garden
(as of right now, 17 suggs are affected by the decision to lower the req)
pastel terrace
Why
hollow shell
A reference on its own isn't enough to support a suggestion
Ah thanks Philo, not as much as I thought
pastel terrace
is there a Jojo reference in the mod yet?
radiant meadow
yes
dapper coral
stellar knives
real lintel
The specific sword in inquiry exists in Bloodstained
hollow shell
Stellar Knife yeah
chilly solstice
Also Stardust Guardian as of 1.4 is arguably a JoJo reference
pastel terrace
Can’t wait for that to be in calamity
robust lava
Not even arguably - it just is
gaunt quest
It's accidently one I am pretty sure
pastel terrace
I wonder how empress of light will affect boss progression, since it’s supposed to be a pre-moonlord but post-cultist boss
chilly solstice
Yeah, the punches did it.
hollow shell
Prolly won't affect it much considering it's not a mandatory boss
gaunt quest
Empress of light is avtually post golem
chilly solstice
EoL is something of an Astrum Deus
pastel terrace
I hope calamity has something in store of the terraprisma
hollow shell
(This is offtopic now)
fossil finch
EoL is actually post golem what
It's pre cultist
pastel terrace
Anyway back to suggestions
hollow shell
yeah
so
Vine Sword would be too specific and is just a reference, not good enough for a suggestion
real lintel
Understandable. lol
hollow shell
I'm sure Vin is plenty happy having it in an Iga game, lol
dapper coral
probably only as a dedicated item, i would imagine
unreal viper
Okay.
real lintel
Dedicated item, yeah.
fossil finch
And that's how you make prehm ore armors useless again
unreal viper
I guess I could sugg that it get changed to something else.
real lintel
it would either be prehm blade of grass upgrade or hm terrablade upgrade
chilly solstice
I don't really think the Water Bolt needs a specific post-Skeletron lock. It's not that strong. It should stay as a pleasant surprise to anyone who's brave and lucky enough to delve into the Dungeon and find the sacred book itself above 0 ft.
unreal viper
I supose general survivability boosts.
hollow shell
Tungsten is equal to Mining Armor
and only Silver, Gold, and Platinum are better
And if you want to expend the bars making fucking Gold or Platinum armor, go ahead because you're insane
dapper coral
wait, why is silver better? lol
chilly solstice
Either that, or you got lucky with your planetoids
unreal viper
Mining speed.
hollow shell
Tungsten Pick can mine Meteorite while Silver can't, so I suppose it was to balance that out
dapper coral
that is wacky
chilly solstice
I mean all alt-sets give worse mining speed boists because of higher defence
unreal viper
You're never gonna really use them for fighting.
hollow shell
That's right, better defense too on the lesser mining speed-ers
unreal viper
I guess they get used for mining utility slightly later on.
chilly solstice
I also thought it to be strange, but got used to it eventually
At some point I imagined what would the current Terraria community say (specifically those who complained about Torch Luck) if they witnessed the release of 1.1.
"You can't just lock HALF of your content behind an obscure boss!"
Everything about Terraria is strange, we just got used to it
fossil finch
wof pretty obscure
robust lava
That’s what makes Terraria Terraria imo. how is this related to a sugg again?
unreal viper
Heh.
gaunt quest
I made gold/platinum armor both times I played calamity lol
chilly solstice
Same, every playthrough
hollow shell
WoF's not obscure nowadays but imagine if you only had your wits and vague hints from The Guide to figure out it even exists
unreal viper
Most everyone uses them.
But if they didn't have the boosts they ewould be useless.
chilly solstice
Yes, that's the point?..
unreal viper
Cause calamity adds and buffs tons of stuff.
gaunt quest
I didn't use it for the mining speed I used it because I could make them and wanted the defense
But the mining speed is nice
robust lava
I don’t think I’ve ever got both pieces of Mining Gear in a single play through though
unreal viper
Yeah.
chilly solstice
Same lol
distant gyro
i don't think someone normally gets early game ore full sets anyway
unreal viper
yeah.
gaunt quest
I do
unreal viper
Generally people use them for mining later on.
gaunt quest
I get iron/lead then plat/gold lol
distant gyro
vanilla people just smash up armor pieces together most of the time from what i can see
because one does not simply mine 360 platinum ores
and calamity is just
tawny garden
I tried
distant gyro
go to victide
gaunt quest
The only full ore set I get in vanilla is iron/lead usually lol
tawny garden
it didn't end well
radiant meadow
Planetoid ores or go home :/
chilly solstice
Why iron/lead tho? You can go straight for the 4th tier that gives the best mining speed boost
radiant meadow
unless you find a planetoid with platinum or gold
fossil finch
Also he's talking about vanilla
hollow shell
Aight cool I like this set of suggs better
violet dagger
Alright about the water bolt sugg was it mentioned that in 1.4 it'll be locked post skeletron
I do think it's fine to lock it up right now since tmod 1.4 is out in a while
violet dagger
No it just spawns below dungeon guardian level
craggy stratus
ah, so if the world gen is wack enough, it is still obtainable
violet dagger
Ye
I'm p sure I saw something about it generating super low to the point you won't get it without getting killed
gaunt quest
They made it less common to obtain it pre skeletron
There isn't a reason to add some thing that an update will already do for you imo but I mean they could probably make it unusable pre skeletron
Like that one person suggested
hollow shell
There is kind of a reason to do 1.4 changes now, in that it'd help us balance those changes ahead of time and not have to worry as much during the actual transition period
which we do for a lot of boss AI stuff iirc
gaunt quest
I mean I guess but making it spawn lower wouldn't make sense unless your going to make it so it can't spawn where you can reach it. The can't be used part like Reaver shark would be cool
hollow shell
(well we removed that from Reaver a while back)
hollow shell
Nah just because we didn't wanna restrict playthroughs too hard
radiant meadow
I believe Reaver Shark was going to be buffed when 1.4 comes around
distant gyro
2018 is definitely a while back
gaunt quest
Well if your goinf to buff rever shark I would think it would be better at hellstone level then teir one hardmode ore level
(As in mining not actually pick axe power)
gaunt quest
I think 1.4 nerfed is a bit far but I agree on it getting nerfed
radiant meadow
we'll see in time
gray nebula
I hate sand why are you actively sabotaging yourself
if you post lots of suggestions back to back you're basically flooding your own stuff away
gray nebula
yeah just timing your suggestions so that they are in a good spot where it can be seen for as long as possible would be more "optimised"
hollow shell
Where's it wrong
unreal viper
It says 150% as thre boost.
unreal viper
Ah.
hollow shell
Skyline Wings showing 100% movement speed doesn't mean it doubles your speed, it means it doesn't affect it
which is uhhh misleading I think
hollow shell
Ah, vanilla wiki did away with that column and has a Max Horizontal Speed column instead
huh
Also ye
tawny garden
ye, the percentage didn't make sense cause the speed is fixed
we digged into redcode
hollow shell
Ah is it actually programmed as max speed in the source?
tawny garden
ye
it's hardcoded iirc
it'll always be the same, no matter which other boosts you have
hollow shell
I see
Calamity wiki seems to be documenting the acceleration multiplier
Which vanilla wiki lacks entirely (now).
There, made Calamity wiki's page more clear.
distant gyro
should've just slapped a million refs like vanilla wiki
tawny garden
can't, not everyone has source access
heady storm
Star reeval. 
unreal viper
Hell yeah.
tawny garden
17 suggs are affected
rapid pivot
any thoughts on my sugg?
rapid pivot
ye
rapid pivot
tbh i bring it up mostly because i'm a summoner, ye
and that means i'm wearing Plaguebringer armor at this point
which basically smacks plague on everything the moment it appears on screen
dapper coral
my only thought was for minions that inflict debuffs, namely shellfish and cells
but shellfish are obsolete by that point
and cells... you likely won't have em at any point you would fight LC
rapid pivot
to be fair; everything inflicts a debuff with summoner
dapper coral
true
rapid pivot
accessories
dapper coral
i meant the ones that do damage almost solely through debuffs
rapid pivot
oh
hollow shell
oh boy another HotE component sugg
serene fox
why are there so many of them?
fossil finch
Just make a "remove hote" sugg lol
cobalt pewter
heady storm
cobalt pewter
why are there so many of them?
@serene fox HotE is weird in so many ways
serene fox
yeah ik
cobalt pewter
One of which is that disabling visibility makes the stats better
Which kinda defeats the point of the harem 
If you want stats there are better ones than HotE
I think I already made 3 hote component suggs in the past few days
serene fox
does this count as a meme sugg?
indigo fog
ashen warren
Rod of Discord.
agile cloud
not sunken sea
serene fox
abyss
agile cloud
he probbably meant abyss
ashen warren
Mb.
agile cloud
does asking for a reference count as a meme sugg?
serene fox
I dunno
agile cloud
the mod has so many already
serene fox
that's not a reason
cobalt pewter
Pretty sure it's a meem sugg
ashen warren
Nah.
ashen warren
Aw, man.
dapper coral
even if it's not a meme sugg
cobalt pewter
Time to y e e t
dapper coral
so ima just pop it
ashen warren
.
radiant meadow
one of the don'ts is that your only reason can't be a reference
dapper coral
tbh just leave references out of it
radiant meadow
under like you should have a reason or something
dapper coral
even if it's not your only reason
radiant meadow
honestly, wouldn't mind making any sort of reference taboo
references don't exactly improve the mod
cobalt pewter
I'd probably get my own item if I'm not so fucking broke
violet dagger
I have 50 dollars
but i dont have access to it since its in my college fund
dapper coral
because it doesn't help your sugg either
unreal viper
I'm poor, gonna donate to thorium instead.
agile cloud
not like your item gets removed if you cancel your subscription
violet dagger
donate to a mod that actually needs support like soa
unreal viper
Imma stop this tangent before rover yells at us.
fringe sky
one of my suggestions at 191 stars D:
gaunt quest
Nice
violet dagger
hope it reaches 200
then it'll be sent to the dev server in 2 days once its lowered
dapper coral
yep, it'll be lowered to 200 and any suggs that were previously over 200 but under 240 will be sent to dev
ashen warren
can i repost...
dapper coral
yea
ashen warren
epic
violet dagger
and star lower is on saturday for me
what better time to come up with suggs while im in a zoom meeting with my friends
hollow shell
Should I repost that image in the most recent voting sugg?
Or do we think it's fine as-is
heady storm
If you think it'll help sure I suppose.
dapper coral
i think it's important
hollow shell
aight
dapper coral
yessir
ashen warren
can i repost sugmas if they're 2 weeks old
heady storm
Yes you can.
ashen warren
dapper coral
if they didn't reach the threshold (which is now 200) then you can repost them after a week
dapper coral
huh, only 7 suggs in posting
this is a record low, considering the amount of suggs recently
dapper coral
i think so?
there was some discussion about the mining armor one, but idk if it needed a ❗ or not after all that
everything else is fine iirc
heady storm
It looks fine to me too.
hollow shell
The mining armor one is the result of that discussion
It was originally about nerfing the mining boosts that the preHM ore armors give in Calamity because they overshadowed Miner
cobalt pewter
Also about water bolt one
1.4 Vanilla already kinda does that
By making water bolt spawn only on underground layer of dungeon or lower
Hard gating it to skelly kill can be kinda annoying imo
heady storm
1.4 vanilla you mean?
cobalt pewter
Yes
fringe sky
maybe instead of reposting could there be a 1.1x multiplier to star counts retroactively possibly for suggestions under 200 during the 240 star time period?
basically giving about a 20 star leeway for some suggestions that would barely not make the cut
but are old enough that they won't likely receive new stars
sand umbra
as I will probably do with most of the suggs that I posted in that time
my entire evil sugg series got scammed from the sudden drop in star income 
and I am not giving that up that easy
violet dagger
In the meanwhile I can either keep dying to yharon or compile a list of suggestions once it's lowered
neat wave
Make any died player cant get respawn while the boss is still alive in multiplayer mode?
hollow shell
That's been suggested before but you can suggest it again
neat wave
thank you roversan
hollow shell
np I guess
chilly solstice
Wait, I've just realised
What's the point in announcing the star count change if all suggs posted before it will retroactively be re-evaluated?
Might as well say that the change has already happened.
Or is it to have some time to think it over again?
hollow shell
Nah it was just for standard procedure, pretty much
I coulda just done it outright but all prior star changes had some advance warning so I figured I'd do it again for this, even if there's no "warning" aspect
pastel terrace
People still use a stat meter?
heady storm
Demik does, he uses it to see what gear is stronger and whatnot for his nohits.
neat wave
who is demik?
pastel terrace
If the HoTE is supposed to be the “Heart of The Earth”, why does it need 2 sand elementals but has nothing to represent the Hallow Biome? Or the Evil Biomes?
Wouldn’t it be better to replace one of the sandies with a hallowed representative and add an evil biome representative
heady storm
@dapper coral He's asleep now byeah.
pastel terrace
Well the description calls it the heart of the world
whole sedge
pretty sure devs said they didn't want to mess with HUD much anymore as it's been a massive pain to keep working but that change could be useful even though I never use stat meters or even buy them
hollow shell
aaand another HotE suggestion
pastel terrace
Is that not allowed?
hollow shell
It's allowed
It's just that this is like the 5th one that's been posted in the past 48 hours
(more like 72 hours actually)
heady storm
:holdthefuckup:
hollow shell
(... maybe more than 5th)
whole sedge
yeah, lots of those for some reason even though HotE seems fine to me 
cobalt pewter
I guess I did contribute a lot to that number
Problem is, there's a couple problems with hote
Haha yes Engrish
Anyway
I personally have no problems with Pearl of Enthrallment (plus Anahita is alright)
But the others are kinda weird to me
Brimmy rotate between dashing and shooting, which is alright
But then cloudy rotates between dashing and nado, and dashing is already done by brimmy
Then sandy uses nado to attack, which cloudy has done (?????)
Despite being useful, rare sandy is just that, basic healing
That's just the Elementals themselves
The fact that disabling visibility makes the stats better is kinda iffy to me
Like, aren't the Elemental spawns the main attraction of the acc?
Then we go to the stones
Their stats are pretty messy
Aero stone is just a variation of Frog Leg without actually fishing
I have no single clue what Chaos and Cryo stones do
Bloom Stone grows grass and dyes ig, yeaaaay
Then to my last sugg about sand Elementals
Too lazy to explain that one, since I talked about it a bit in the sugg anyway
But yeah
I actually done a rant on here
Jesus Christ
hollow shell
m yes I also have issues with HotE
fringe sky
i just want my proficiency exp hud bar dammit 😦
and a means to read my stat meter info like abyss level or flight mobility without needing to open my inventory
hell maybe it could relate to that other suggestion of combining each stat/level meter into one accessory ala pda
pastel terrace
@cobalt pewter for the record, Cryo stone increase damage reduction by 5% and damage by 3%. And chaos stone increases max mana by 50, all damage by 3% and decreases mana usage by 5%.
whole sedge
Yeah can agree that the pieces are pretty messy and unusable and frankly only exist just to be part of the HotE
cobalt pewter
Not counting the additional stats in the elemental spawners
Just
I wanna make another hote sugg
But I think this one has already been one
Idk when
distant gyro
time to repost hell
distant gyro
after star nerf
pastel terrace
Are there any problems with my HoTE sugg?
dry latch
imo, the hallow and evil biomes aren't inherently natural. they're closer to the dungeon biome than say the desert biome
distant gyro
hallow and evil are less "world" than the caverns
dry latch
if anything, there should be a jungle elemental lol
distant gyro
bloom stone theoretically fills in for jungle
aero (sky), cloud (space), bloom (jungle), cryo (ice), sand x2 (desert), ana (ocean), chaos (underworld), rose (crag)
dry latch
ye, it's perfect as it is
it also invokes the 4 theme, 4 elementals (consider the sand elems as 1) and 4 stones
fits with the 4 corners of the world thing
swift wharf
Bloom-> earth
Cryo-> water
Chaos-> fire
Aero-> air
Also fits the 4 elements in alchemy
heady storm
@bleak mortar
- Boss suggestions aren't allowed.
- You would need reasoning with that.
heady storm
There's a document in the pins of this channel detailing things you shouldn't suggest, for future notice.
bleak mortar
oh ok
tawny garden
this sugg
untold cargo
what is this
tawny garden
so inspirational
untold cargo
i dont understand it 
frail mantle
flamsteed ring but it's the plaguebringer goliath
tawny garden
@hazy mural SIS aren't allowed, you have no reason
frail mantle
pretty simple i'd say
untold cargo
wait so you literally turn into PBG
tawny garden
read the pins and the doc in them
robust lava
But also class suggestions aren't allowed, so no, just no
hazy mural
d a m
gray nebula
ashen warren
void marsh
who here thinks that mollusk, omega blue and demonshade armour need a buff so that they can also be fully used by mages and rogues?
those 3 armour sets don't give rogue stealth ,they don't increase the amount of mana and they don't give mana reduction
cobalt pewter
Pretty sure stealth still runs if you have a rogue weapon held
But I might need to test that
But demonshade and omega blue (never used mollusk yet) are primarily used for pure dps boost
Notice how they also don't have specific bonuses for melee, ranged not summon
frail mantle
Demonshade and hentai give minion slots and Mollusk summons shellfishes
heady storm
:holdthefuckup:
void marsh
Demonshade and hentai give minion slots and Mollusk summons shellfishes
but they don't give anything for mages (other than the damage)
crude geode
On the topic of the suggestion you made regarding Water Bolt, @pastel terrace , I personally don’t see why it specifically should have a requirement.
You can compare it to the Demon Scythe, another end of pre-hm book that you can potentially get early on in a playthrough, depending on how you go about things.
Demon Scythe can be gotten early if you hellavator early, and farm demons.
Water Bolt can be gotten early if you manage to traverse the world long enough to get to the dungeon, and get lucky to get a water bolt in a high enough level while risking instagib from Dungeon Guardian.
With Demon Sycthe, it requires a bit more effort, but is guaranteed (at a certain point).
With Water Bolt, it’s easier to do, but also depends on world generation, and you are instantly killed if you fuck up.
I don’t think players should actively be discouraged from breaking progression a bit, as calamity allows some breaking of progression, and waterbolt isn’t that gigantic of a progression break like it is in vanilla (at least from what I remember.)
cobalt pewter
And again, I already said 1.4 vanilla have done soft gating it in a sense
These will only spawn on underground layer and below
No longer on surface
heady storm
Suggestions that mess with vanilla worldgen are a pain to implement iIrc, so that’s one solution possibly outed on its own.
tawny garden
they are allowed, sure, but don't expect em to be implemented quickly
heady storm
@hot vault It would be preferred if you also specified HotE summons in your suggestion title please.
cobalt pewter
I mean don't they mean summons in general?
heady storm
Did you read their sugg?
untold cargo
They aren’t targeting the devotees
untold cargo
They have contact damage at the start which hits the devotees
dry latch
tbh that issue applies to those bee larvae too. another possible workaround would be to increase their hp so summons brushing past them don't kill them outright
kinda like how it's done with the evil stuff and anahita
untold cargo
its kinda their fault to ruin the game like that
exotic ibex
that doesn't really matter
ashen warren
how does it not
exotic ibex
since this mod gives him the ability to do so
wooden wedge
...and how does that make it not matter?
cobalt pewter
wooden wedge
I don't see why an easter egg should be removed just because it's cheaty
frail mantle
murasama pre-boss isn't completely free
cobalt pewter
Then again, halimeme exists
frail mantle
you still have to get through the Underworld to actually obtain it
robust lava
I don't see how other people choosing to use this affects your playthrough
exotic ibex
because they don't quite understand why this weapon are so powerful and are allowed to be used
they may think it is stupid and not play this mod anymore without even reading the following words
ashen warren
because they don't quite understand why this weapon are so powerful and are allowed to be used
they may think it is stupid and not play this mod anymore without even reading the following words
literally by looking at the stats you can see that it's not meant to be pre-boss
tawny garden
isn't this an intentional thing
ashen warren
yes
ashen warren
how would you accidentally code this
rose jewel
I thought it was a cool Easter egg
robust lava
I don't see how this suggestion is any different from saying" Don't let people use Cheat Sheet with Calamity, cause then they might give themselves good items and breeze through the game"
ashen warren
...yes
craggy stratus
wasnt the emote suggested in the past
tepid root
:letsfuckinggooooooooo
ashen warren
rose jewel
Anyone else thinks there’s a lot of 2 sand elementals suggestions?
craggy stratus
there are a lot HoTE sugg, wowie
about feedza's one
remove rare sand elemental because it is useless
but if the rework is the case, the acc can be overpowered as it is basically 2 in 1 accessory, and obtainable pre HM-bosses
rose jewel
Idk I just think it’s being suggested a little too much
dapper coral
This happens every so often
where someone makes a HotE suggestion and then 5 more people decide to make one too
rose jewel
yeah like Luxor’s gift getting 3-4 suggestions in 2 days then 0
craggy stratus
thx to the murasama video
rose jewel
Yeah
cobalt pewter
but if the rework is the case, the acc can be overpowered as it is basically 2 in 1 accessory, and obtainable pre HM-bosses
@craggy stratus well I did say the drop would be rather similar to rare elem in a bottle, so you're just getting a bundle of the inferior one along with the rare one
tawny garden
smb makes a sugg and then everyone remembers the issue
cobalt pewter
Which is honestly fine imo
tawny garden
and starts suggin'
craggy stratus
frozen hollow
new suggestion, again related to the mod's soundtrack added 😂 Tell me what you think
zenith hazel
frozen hollow
Welp never mind
Suggesting to have supreme calamitas's acceptance theme play after she has been defeated does not go against that rule since it is already in the game I guess
Hence it was accepted?
cobalt pewter
It's just an extension of the current theme piece
So I doubt it'd break that highlighted point
dapper coral
it wouldn't because it is already implemented
frozen hollow
Also yay it will be sent to the devs thanks to the new star requirement (:
hollow shell
"The boost with reaver armor doesn't help either, giving a measily 15% movement speed. This is especially poor considering the booster gives 150% movement speed by itself."
👀
Said it yesterday but if you're gonna say 15% in the previous sentence you should say 50% in the next one
unreal viper
Ye, got it.
hollow shell
👍
dapper coral
giving a
measilymeasly 15% movement speed
nitpicking but yes
hollow shell
I didn't even know it was misspelled
rapid pivot
Any thoughts on my sugg?
tepid root
plants flowers because the donor prolly asked for that
foggy plover
swift wharf
i dont think you can suggest on donor gear
tepid root
you can, if you get permession from the donor
hollow shell
^
rapid pivot
Ah. Crap. Sorry about that.
tawny garden
lemme find the donor person real quick
a very hard investigation
hollow shell
ye
dapper coral
so now we know every patreon donor and their items who are in this server
tawny garden
that was a joke
dapper coral
damn, that's another one I missed
tawny garden
hollow shell
(also they uhh, haven't talked here in 6 months
I actually dunno what the procedure is if theyre here but just dont respond)
hollow shell
I'm thinkin the sugg is fine to pass then ye
Thats what we do for dedicatees who are GONE gone
tawny garden
also, the sugg could mention hote
robust lava
Would they have the ability to retroactively revoke it past that point, or would that cause too many problems with devs starting to implement stuff and having to stop?
tawny garden
then the sugg will have a 🚫 I guess
hollow shell
I think if they come back in like a month and say to revert the change, we can do it
Cuz its still against their wishes or w/e
tawny garden
@rapid pivot your sugg could also mention Bloom Stone/HotE, and the fact that the flowers appearing and being immediately cut down not only produces visual displeasure, but also produces an annoying repeated sound
what is w/e?
robust lava
Whatever
tawny garden
ah
hollow shell
It has a damage aura so thats neat
unreal viper
Does anyone actually use it tho?
ashen warren
By itself not really
At that point players would probably already have all the stone ingredients to make HoTE anyways
How does my suggestion look?
hollow shell
Seems fine
gray nebula
ngl just remove the extra qna part
makes the suggestion 4x bigger than it should
especially because all the questions are kinda very easy to guess the awnser to anyways
whole sedge
yeah
ashen warren
I’ll do that, thank you for letting me know
hollow shell
ehhh
tawny garden
the 1.4 bit def needs to be removed
hollow shell
I prefer if theyre kept
They could be shortened or combined but I think its good to address that stuff
gray nebula
idk like it really bloats the sugg and usually people have a lower chance to even read something if its multiple paragraphs etc
hollow shell
Even the 1.4 thing cuz people have used upcoming 1.4 features as counterarguments before
gray nebula
and its just a small qol suggestion, imo it really doesnt need allll of that extra text
ashen warren
I edited it down to have a basic description of why it should be done but it’s habit for me to add questions to back up my suggestion sometimes
tawny garden
you could include the answers to those in the sugg I guess in a shortened form
gray nebula
looking at all the accepted suggestions recently, most of them are a single paragraph that's straight to the point
ashen warren
Had I seen what Rover said before I edited it to remove the questions I would’ve tweaked it but I hope it’s still alright and gets the message across
hollow shell
Its still fine as it is
hollow shell
"Have events be unable to start it be paused during a boss fight."
.. prolly shoulda pinged about this within the past 24 hours, whoops
tawny garden
dapper coral
oop
sturdy geyser
just suggest to add this as an emote
tawny garden
but, :SweatingFailure:
violet dagger
When the failure isn't hd
tawny garden
it could mean you need to enter the biome from the Underground Desert
RoD
dapper coral
@cosmic void you should probably indicate what part of the picture is the bottle you're referring to
bruh philo since when do you have rod in prehm
tawny garden
also, it's a "Border"
cosmic void
Oh, sure I can highlight it perhaps
tawny garden
bruh philo since when do you have rod in prehm
ever since I opened Cheat Sheet
banyway
sand umbra
so anyway disregarding the obvious Hardmode thing since this is a pre-Hardmode biome
cosmic void
Foolishly forgot the Slow Mode on the channel, will repost when that timer is up xP
hollow shell
ah
tawny garden
just remove slowmode for a split second
cosmic void
Nah a couple minutes ain't bad, messing with other thing anyway :p
tawny garden
(ye, my bad for forgetting that this biome is prehm)
hollow shell
Fine suggestion
fossil finch
Why are railways so common in sunken sea?
hollow shell
I dunno.
Maybe railway generation checks for a certain cave formation at the ends, to determine where to start and end it
and Sunken Sea happens to have a lot of that cavespace
ashen warren
I think this is a neat suggestion since it would encourage the player to defeat DS to get in
Not that it has any other use before DS aside from looking pretty
tawny garden
I still think calling it a "border" instead of a "bottle" is clearer
violet dagger
What can you even do in there before ds tho
ashen warren
Nothing really
violet dagger
Anyways it's be a nice feature for sure
ashen warren
I still think calling it a "border" instead of a "bottle" is clearer
@tawny garden I think they're referring to it as a bottle rather than a border since the Navystone doesn't encase the entire biome, and has a opening at the top
tawny garden
borders can be partial, and you can't encompass something with a bottle
but fair i guess
hollow shell
m yeah without the image it's kinda hard to tell what "bottle" means
There is an image tho so I guess it's fine
chilly solstice
Tbh it does hold liquid like a bottle, the proposed navystone border
noble turret
it wouldnt stop water from leaking into the caves though
navystone generates water right
hollow shell
The backwalls iirc
chilly solstice
Yeah, the walls do
Also to expand on the "smooth transition" I feel like the border should "disintegrate" into normal stone outwards, kinda like sandstone does around the underground desert
I think this is already how it works lol, there's just no rigid border around the biome
hollow shell
yeah iirc it fades out like that currently
tawny garden
all biomes do iirc
cosmic void
I just called it a bottle because it's filled with water, could be called anything
hollow shell
You could clarify somewhere that you mean "border with an open top"
cosmic void
Reworded it though
hollow shell
either in the top line or immediately below
tawny garden
that sounds better
tawny garden
's fine
heady storm
@golden narwhal You could also point out how the hands don't respawn in death mode.
heady storm
golden narwhal
?
unreal viper
I deleted it, shh.
heady storm
MrAsianMan.
craggy stratus
add a phase where skeletron respawn all 4 hands
tawny garden
smh Chetto he asked for a and you gave him a
craggy stratus
some people said skeletron death is easier than rev immo
buffing skeletron in death like the sugg could be good
well not some, most
golden narwhal
Feels that way, yes
heady storm
Gonna be honest he felt significantly easier in death for me when I was nohitting.
golden narwhal
Most of my rev deaths were to the hands, and, uh, yea, death is death
craggy stratus
all 4 hands are available to be taken down
tawny garden
@ashen warren reason?
ashen warren
huh?
golden narwhal
SIS moments
violet dagger
tawny garden
you gotta have a reason in your sugg
craggy stratus
isnt that, kinda against the rule of adding stuffs
violet dagger
ye
tawny garden
(it's not sis)
violet dagger
it kinda is tho
hollow idol
specific function and name
ashen warren
you mean a reason for a suggestion?
hollow idol
it is a SIS
violet dagger
name and function
tawny garden
but if it's asking for a new mode, it's not allowed
hollow idol
its asking for an item that does a thing
hollow idol
but yeah, suggestions need reasons
hollow idol
Reasons they should be added.,.
ashen warren
ok ok hear me out
violet dagger
also is anyone gonna mark the sugg with a ❗
hollow idol
it will prolly get deleted
ashen warren
some bosses are very challenging, but in a realistic scenario, people have a very strong will to live, and thus boosting their capabilities, there should be an item to exceed that, but at the cost of dying
hollow shell
. _.
hollow idol
lots of accessories/armors already give you big boosts when you are almost dead
tawny garden
[[Armageddon]]
red stormBOT
hollow shell
Silva armor kinda has that concept already yeah
hollow shell
More importantly this is a specific item suggestion
ashen warren
ok
hollow shell
You can't suggest exact specified things
stuff with names and precise numbers
tawny garden
please
violet dagger
im surprised it still hasnt been marked
tawny garden
ye, Rover, ! it
hollow idol
suggestions have guidelines
violet dagger
he just did
hollow shell
aight there
violet dagger
! it
tawny garden
hollow shell
and ye these channels do have guidelines
tawny garden
ashen warren
i just checked the rules
who would EVER want to pirate terraria?
it's too good of a game
hollow shell
lol
This is the important thing
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1OA3GxJ4w4QA4pCkngwt8kqW8Qq18U5KOCUJEucUS8ck/edit?usp=sharing
hollow idol
why are we speaking of pirating terraria now
tawny garden
do you know what pins are?
ashen warren
something that is pointy*
violet dagger
someone with nitro get the animated check the pins thing
hollow shell
tawny garden
ok, I volunteer not being in this channel anymore
ashen warren
tldr
violet dagger
I volunteer to go keep dying to big jungle dragon
ashen warren
let me guess, just don't request specific items without proper reasoning?
is that it
hollow idol
not at all
violet dagger
you can't request specific items at all
ashen warren
ok
hollow shell
Yes that is indeed the Rule #1 listed in that document
ashen warren
how is dying wish* specific?
hollow idol
dont suggest anything without proper reasoning.
hollow shell
You gave it a name.
ashen warren
ok
violet dagger
and stats
ashen warren
revengence drop
hollow shell
You say "1%", you said Revengeance only, you say "10 seconds"
ashen warren
there
hollow idol
hollow shell
you say "double" damage
hollow shell
I haven't seen blasts like this since taco night at James Earl Jones' house.
hollow idol
ashen warren
how is this for a suggestion
ashen warren
an item that lets you have power, but kills you soon after
how is that for a suggestion
weak field
Sometimes I'm just wondering what's going on in people's brain
hollow shell
As extensive as you can make it
hollow idol
their reason they gave earlier is that fights are too hard basically
hollow shell
(it's fine, Socc. If somebody's never seen how these channels work before they're bound to be confused)
ashen warren
bosses are meant to be hard, we all know that, but near the end, the boss might be too challenging (providence gave me ptsd) and when she summons her guardians (for example) you can use the item when she is at low hp, and dispatch of her before she gets back to high hp, and out-damage the healing done by the guardians, but you will die after the boss, and can easily pick up the loot
violet dagger
petition to make that thing someone said a few days ago where you have to read the channel's pins first before doing anything a reality
hollow shell
You can suggest that gseal
and Hrm, reasoning isn't very strong
This is kinda like a helping hand for the end of fights
hollow shell
But, if you think a fight is too hard you could go down to a lower difficulty mode
violet dagger
I doubt they have a sugg system like this
hollow shell
(unless you're playing Expert)
ashen warren
yeah, anything very strong is after scal anyway
weak field
To be fair, that is basically like a "I suck plz help" button
hollow idol
even if there was a "cant do anything until you check the pins thing" people can just skim through them
weak field
You just can't stop people from not doing what you want them to do
Unless you point a gun to their head maybe
ashen warren
nah, point an eye of extinction at them
hollow idol
and wouldnt account for stuff like the don'ts doc where you have to go to another site
ashen warren
then they'll quiver
violet dagger
then setup a quiz before you can post
hollow shell
heh
ashen warren
hollow idol
quiz gives a randomly generated password that lets you talk in posting
ashen warren
hollow shell
okay that's enough
ashen warren
ok
hollow shell
Generally recommended not to post gif images in this channel anyway but tbf I don't think that's written anywhere
violet dagger
cant wait to hear that tmr after I post a bunch of suggestions that I've prepared
ashen warren
bruh
weak field
ashen warren
rip crabulon
sleek turret
what is this.
hollow shell
You can edit your suggestion, Keonzo
weak field
idk party crabulon? anyway let's move on
hollow shell
To what you came up with earlier
the non-specific version with a reason
It has to be in the same message
ashen warren
ok, edited
weak field
Eh it doesn't break any rules now
hollow shell
(we have a system where a bot copies the contents of a message and reposts them in #suggestions-voting, and in order to do that it all needs to be in one message
And it also requires that the topic sentence be at the top on a separate line (Shift+Enter))
Bruh dude we already told you to stop posting gifs
heady storm
sturdy geyser
heady storm
Yeah another gif and I'll be tossing warns.
ashen warren
and i'll be tossing myself in yarhon's jungle
hollow shell
You gotta merge your suggestion messages
hollow idol
gotta combine those messages first before you toss yourself into the jungle
ashen warren
ok now
hollow shell
That's good, formatted correctly
ashen warren
now it's a viable suggestion?
hollow shell
Now it can be accepted
The actual contents of the suggestion itself are up to improvement
ashen warren
and thought out
hollow shell
but now it meets the requirements
ashen warren
ok cool
hollow shell
If anybody's got feedback for Keonzo's sugg, feel free to say it
golden narwhal
Could specify on what exactly the 'power' (I'm guessing damage) is in the heading
weak field
I mean, it's basically like cuphead easy mode, but you actually get the contract
rose jewel
Have a title
weak field
You could specify that in the title
ashen warren
OOF
hollow shell
heh
ashen warren
i will let the devs decide the rest