cuz heart mats - aero suck?
#suggestions-discussion
radiant meadow
sand umbra
heart mats tend to suck yes
cobalt pewter
oof
crude geode
...
sand umbra
wait what
cobalt pewter
Check last sugg
sand umbra
no wait a minute
radiant meadow
heart of darkness kinda sucks
sand umbra
yeah HoD kinda bringe
cobalt pewter
Rage kinda sucks
sand umbra
other two are pog though
radiant meadow
Stress Pills and Laudanum are no longer generic stat sticks.
cobalt pewter
Yeah those two are alright, I just never bothered using them
sand umbra
and they greatly benefit from that fact
unreal viper
Heart of darkness?
crude geode
I mean like yeah that’s a problem.
cobalt pewter
smh
crude geode
I just find Draedon’s Heart lackluster as a post dog accessory
cobalt pewter
Yeah the combination being so late is kinda weird to me
vivid niche
I’m sad, my sug isn’t doing as well as the sug about scals theme song 
sand umbra
what if: move to T3 Draedon's Arsenal
crude geode
oh god I’m such a boomer, don’t know the tiers of Draedon’s Arsenal, been too busy playing Lobotomy Corp and One Step From Eden
cobalt pewter
sand umbra
s m h
radiant meadow
unless Encrypted Schematic 😳
sand umbra
imagine not knowing Draedon's Arsenal tiers
violet dagger
3rd tier is pbg
cobalt pewter
😳
sand umbra
what an absolute boomer
crude geode
Truly.
sand umbra
that's a bit too early, if you ask me
cobalt pewter
Yea
unreal viper
When is tier 3 again?
radiant meadow
post pbg
sand umbra
post-PBG
cobalt pewter
Best bet is probably T3 mats + Ancient Manipulator
sand umbra
either that or make it a Luminite-tier craft
cobalt pewter
oof
unreal viper
Post moon lord accessories?
crude geode
oh god more luminite tier crafts
unreal viper
That aren’t after DoG?
sand umbra
radiant meadow
Draedon's Heart kinda like shit on Prov or something iirc
unreal viper
Pog.
radiant meadow
that's kinda why it was moved
unreal viper
Interesting.
radiant meadow
although Prov has changed since
heady storm
What tier does Draedon's heart even do well at currently?
radiant meadow
more than a year ago, before I got dev
sand umbra
oh wow, year and a half ago was when it was moved
radiant meadow
I think
cobalt pewter
Mmhm
radiant meadow
Prov's laser phases through blocks if you're hiding, right?
sand umbra
I think so?
radiant meadow
it used to not do that back then
sand umbra
so like that's. huge
crude geode
I’m personally just leaving it blank.
heady storm
Dev's decision on where it goes Ig.
cobalt pewter
True, it's just me feeble opinion
sand umbra
but like to put it simply
Draedon's Heart where it is right now feels like one of those combo accs where
cobalt pewter
sand umbra
you get it at precisely the point it stops being sufficiently useful to justify crafting it
radiant meadow
Draedon's Heart just got moved to craft at Draedon's Forge. That's funny. Let's move it back :D
cobalt pewter
But anyway, rework rage aaaaaa
crude geode
I’ve seen rage reworks brought up like. so much.
heady storm
Such a concept is highly requested indeed.
crude geode
For every class besides melee, yeah.
heady storm
True melee intensifies.
cobalt pewter
I wonder if I suggested a rage rework yet
crude geode
Others prolly have
heady storm
Go ahead if you wanna.
cobalt pewter
Nope I haven't
crude geode
cobalt pewter
crude geode
Last one I could find specific to reworking it for other classes.
heady storm
Welp.
cobalt pewter
Okay maybe not now, but imma write "rage rework aaaa" in my ethereal notebook
I need to tone down the sugg output
heady storm
Will be anticipating it.
cobalt pewter
I already suggested to rework rose stone and gehenna
Oh and luxor summon
3 suggs in posting atm
heady storm
Always room for more. 
heady storm
Death was brought upon.
hollow shell
(3 or 4 is a pretty big amount yeah)
It's not as much of an issue now as it was in the past
cuz, posted suggs don't immediately contribute to the burying of others
still a good idea to spread em out
@pastel crow Your suggestion needs to be formatted properly.
Main sugg idea should be at the top on a separate line (Shift+Enter) with reasoning below
That is not Shift+Enter
pastel crow
Thank you I was trying to add formatting and pressed enter on accident
dapper coral
@rose jewel adding some periods would be beneficial for ease of reading, instead of having a large run-on sentence
hollow shell
(your last sentence is missing a "don't")
rose jewel
I added some I didn’t even notice
rose jewel
Wait where?
hollow shell
You say that the softcap would help Murasama become a lot stronger
dapper coral
"That would help so things like murasama or cosmic kunai don't become a lot stronger from a pre boss accessory"
rose jewel
Oh okay I’ll fix it
hollow shell
👍
though, wdym by "soft cap"?
Just, at some point mid-game the damage scaling starts getting worse?
cobalt pewter
Or alternatively, luxor signs can deal less percentages of weapon damage throughout progression
violet dagger
tbh i think cosmic kunai should be left like that with luxors gift
since otherwise they arent viable
rose jewel
it just makes the range a lot longer which kind of gives it a new way to use The weapon
violet dagger
that could be a different sugg
rose jewel
It auto approves after 24 hours if it doesn’t have an exclamation point
rapid pivot
Mine's been up for longer than that, no exclamation point.
rapid pivot
odd
hollow shell
Wait, the bot's online though 🤔
rapid pivot
Ah. Thanks.
dapper coral
peculiar
rapid pivot
Mine was at 7PM yesterday. Wasn't there an issue with the bot then?
dapper coral
it's only the one sugg that needs to be approved right now, so we'll see what happens
there was an issue a couple days ago
hollow shell
I don't think it matters when the suggestion was posted
dapper coral
but it sorted itself
lemme search back rq to see when that happened
the time of its occurrence seems arbitrary but could be something to keep track of
it looks like we noticed the bot was dead at about this time 3 days ago
but i believe the suggs that needed approval were waiting throughout the day
so ¯_(ツ)_/¯
if it doesn't work for the next couple suggs then i'll ping Amber about it, but according to her she's got systems in place for it to fix itself
heady storm
Wait a sec what.
dapper coral
bot broke for a sec so i manually posted the one that needed it
although it appears to be online still so ¯_(ツ)_/¯
heady storm
cobalt pewter
@ashen warren might wanna detail a bit on the header
Smth like "Allow UI elements like Adrenaline and Rage meters to be clicked through" or something to that effect
hollow shell
Yeah your top line should be more detailed
hollow shell
"Fix Rage" suggestion #28
heady storm
heady storm
Grazing is always pretty fun to do.
serene fox
yup
fossil finch
Grazing is almost getting hit rigth?
serene fox
yeah
cobalt pewter
Near miss yes
fossil finch
Oh so like Deltarune's thing
Yeah, would be cool
violet dagger
Rage would be cool like that
Just figure out a way for people to not call it a copy of fargos
Different enough tho
cobalt pewter
I mean, grazing is a common mechanic in bullet hell games afaik
dull wren
I mean, the grazing could be done in a manner in which it’s a bit more unique
Not saying I have an idea, but I’m sure someone does
rapid pivot
tldr; Touhou mechanics.
dull wren
Lmfao
hollow shell
@raven moon "which is odd since furniture takes a long time to sprite and they almost are identical." What?
raven moon
what do you mean what?
hollow shell
(also some piece of it can be found naturally in the Brimstone Crag)
raven moon
really?
hollow shell
Yeah
raven moon
i just checked the wiki to be sure
hollow shell
raven moon
oh i was looking at the pages themselves
hollow shell
m you won't find much there
raven moon
but still a whole set isnt really needed
3 things are naturally found in the game
(ignore the stuff that isnt furniture/block)
hollow shell
Indeed.
You could make your suggestion instead be that more of the pieces get used in the crag naturally, if that's your main gripe
raven moon
i would rather have it changed as it is just almost resprites of furniture with some little changes
hollow shell
(I still don't get what you mean by that "furniture takes a long time to sprite and they almost are identical" sentence. Are you saying it was a waste of time to make them, implying that they were made from scratch and ended up... looking very similar?)
raven moon
i just think that a full set it a bit much effort when only 3 pieces are used in the world without being crafted
hollow shell
okay but like why is that an argument for removing them
They've already been sprited
raven moon
it just shows how they kind of arent needed
hollow shell
I don't follow
but
there's still stuff you can edit in your suggestion anyway
Cuz you say they aren't found at all but a few pieces can be found
raven moon
ill edit that
dapper coral
cool, bot works again
dapper coral
it didn't catch one of the suggs, which i manually put in voting
but it seems to be fine now
heady storm
It did the funny.
white canyon
Very funy
gray nebula
furniture usefulness isn't really determined by how many set pieces generate naturally
ashen warren
"The dash is op"
"Add something to the dash"
hollow shell
(I had to scroll back too. Context helps, Mr. Jojolion)
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/699359022364491868/747597480950104195
cobalt pewter
Ah yes
tfw rover reads JoJoLion
But anyway
More unique dashes are a yes to me, but they don't need to be extraordinarily unique for each
hollow shell
89 years old
cobalt pewter
god I need to read manga, at this point I've been spoiled JJL too much it's a sin for me to not read it
BUT ANYWAYS
I wanna talk a bit about the luxor softcap up there
Reducing the % of weapon damage as the game progresses should work as a softcap, no?
For each sign
hollow shell
I feel like it'd be better as a diminishing returns system yeah
Also you know there's more to Luxor's than just the minions right
hollow shell
"sign" usually only refers to the summon minion one
It fires temporary additional projectiles for all other classes
dry latch
speaking of which, is it possible to disable that for drills/pickaxes? they get annoying underground with really loud and fast bouncing
hollow shell
Yes I'm pretty sure it is possible.
dry latch
aight I'm gonna sugg it then
cobalt pewter
@hollow shell oh oof I always referred the signs as all of those projectiles
Usually I'd just add Green Sign when talking specifically about summon one
A lot of luxor's suggs lately huh
dry latch
I dunno about the others, but I'm making this sugg cuz I found it last night lol
cobalt pewter
Yeah that could be massive rips to ears
heady storm
Has been suggested before, OCD really does take its toll.
white canyon
my one?
serene fox
yeah
white canyon
serene fox
its almost got enough votes
heady storm
Though, @white canyon you should also include how it's inconsistent with other storage based stuff, since you can shiftclick with those.
heady storm
👍
white canyon
tawny garden
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/743021335055302790
this raises a question
if the latest sugg gets approved before that one gets 240 votes, but that one does get 240 votes, will the bluecheck be applied?
heady storm
6 stars off from being delivered. 
Only if it's actually delivered to the dev server.
tawny garden
because in my experience all bluechecks were applied immediately upon approval (or upon posting iirc before 20th april)
heady storm
Mmmmm.
I'm just gonna call you for this one @hollow shell, whenever you're available read above please.
Oh also, you need to edit the timeline to include the implementation of the ❗ reaction.
heady storm
Possibly, and it was OCD driven.
cobalt pewter
Man I wonder how dry the channel for forwarding suggs is
Nothing's been delivered since the raise
heady storm
Speaking of the suggs, there any with problems rn?
cobalt pewter
The ones in the posting?
heady storm
Mhm.
tawny garden
nothin really stands out to me
cobalt pewter
I'm all for goblin buffs, but idk if this one is leaning towards SIS
cobalt pewter
Also
The ambergris effect was moved to the clump, so the reasoning can be a little flat, but otherwise it's alright
heady storm
@viral marsh I'm gonna agree with Feed here, sounds a bit too specific, removing these parts will make it fine though. https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/465195069406707722/747757524987674624
tawny garden
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/699359022364491868/747647223453712544 this sugg seems to indirectly ask for the music mod's assets to be included for tModReader purposes, which isn't gonna happen
or I'm an idiot again and I don't understand the premise
heady storm
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/699359022364491868/747647223453712544 this sugg seems to indirectly ask for the music mod's assets to be included for tModReader purposes, which isn't gonna happen
Definitely sounds like it, is it valid though?
cobalt pewter
For now
heady storm
Btw what does Aldy need to remove to be less specific?
heady storm
Mmmmm.
The ambergris effect was moved to the clump, so the reasoning can be a little flat, but otherwise it's alright
Background on this exactly? I'm not making a connection personally.
cobalt pewter
About the goblin sugg, the very first thing that stuck out is the number of prices and such at the last paragraph
heady storm
@pastel crow @rose jewel your headers are a bit vague yeah, adjust them to be more specific to what y'all want implemented please.
tawny garden
@formal cobalt are you suggesting the music mod's source files to be included for tModReader purposes?
cobalt pewter
Background on this exactly? I'm not making a connection personally.
This is from 1.4.5.001 patch notes
The Amalgam now has a damaging aura at all times. Enemies that are struck get inflicted with God Slayer Inferno, Sulphuric Poisoning, and Brimstone Flames. The Fungal Clump now possesses the seawater instead of the player.
cobalt pewter
Yeah
So even if the clump can't keep up with the bosses
You can still trail it for stat bonuses
heady storm
@craggy stratus read up on what Feedza said here. https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/465195069406707722/747756723942719519
Would the goblin sugg be fine after removing the price stuff or is there more?
If there is more, edit your message since I'm linking them to it @cobalt pewter. https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/465195069406707722/747757524987674624
cobalt pewter
Alrighty, a second
Nah, I think the specific price is only for an example, but now that I read it deeper, the concept is really weird
Like
Putting accs into piggy bank, then reforging the piggy bank to make all accs get the same modifers?
Seems pretty iffy to do imo
Turns out the price thing is just for an example when reforging stuff at the same time
So my bad on that
But the concept is rather iffy
heady storm
Mmmm, valid then?
cobalt pewter
I'd assume yes?
heady storm
Thonk.
@viral marsh turns out you're fine actually, for now anyway, other people might have stuff.
viral marsh
E-Eh! the piggy bank was just as example, but.. if you say i'm fine with my suggestion for now then i guess its okay >< @heady storm
cobalt pewter
I'd agree with pocket mirror, but adding astral infection immunity to valor would make astral bulwark, and to the same extent, Deus, irrelevant
as if astral bulwark isn't irrelevant enough
formal cobalt
@tawny garden I suppose I am, altpugh I don't really know about all that stuff.
tawny garden
the mod source will never be available to the general public
left ice
Hand warmer is already effectively added to it, though, IIRC.
left ice
Actually, having looked at it, it doesn't provide immunity to the frozen debuff, so I'll go ahead and add it.
swift wharf
maybe some alternate ankh charm
that is combined with other materials to make the valor
mirror + warmer + something
dry latch
wait wasn't normality supposed to go with chaosplate, cuz chaos state?
or was that never agreed upon
and eldritch was navyplate cuz water
radiant meadow
The suggedtor simply disagreed
dry latch
sad
radiant meadow
Didn't make it invalid
dry latch
fair
hollow shell
@tawny garden @heady storm (Late but) Yes HBDeus's will get bluechecked if that other one reaches 240
Even if HB's was in voting when it happens
cuz bluechecks are meant to prevent redundant/repeat deliveries
tawny garden
I think everyone can agree that this is annoying
this ain't substantial enough
sinful steeple
Clothier already sells unsafe dungeon walls which get the job done
Also apparently Polt only enrages on surface, so it only has to be spawned in dungeon
lavish matrix
but its really annoying to have to place all those walls
sinful steeple
I actually fought Polt in an unfinished arena and didn't notice it enrage
Yeah but you don't have to
Just build your arena as an extension of part of the dungeon and summon Polt in that part that is dungeon
tawny garden
arena-building is dull, yes, but you only have to do it once a playthrough
lavish matrix
ehh i just wish it was more like golem where you have an arena right there
frail mantle
also Deus spawn method isn't just kill atlases and he'll kool aid his way into your world anymore
sinful steeple
Yeah but the thing is you're tryna solve a problem that was already solved
frail mantle
wait fuck i can't read
tawny garden
where did deus come into this?
lavish matrix
did you read the sugg?
tawny garden
frail mantle
he mentions deus in the first paragraph
also doesn't Polter not enrage outside of the dungeon anymore cause it made making the arena cock and ball torture without the cock and balls?
lavish matrix
woah
sinful steeple
Yeah it doesn't
frail mantle
iirc he just follows Yharon biome rules now, in that you just need the biome to spawn him, but not for the fight itself
west garden
hollow shell
You need more reasoning in your suggestion @lavish matrix
Too much proposal and not enough Why
hollow shell
If you can explain why it's annoying
then that'd be good
tawny garden
also, "everyone can agree" isn't a good way to make resoning
cause not everyone may agree
craggy stratus
changed my suggestion's reasoning (kind of), also didnt notice that fungal clump was given ambergis effect
cobalt pewter
Yeah
Also cmiiw, but does the ambergris trail count as liquid?
In terms of the rest of the acc's bonuses?
dapper coral
i don't think so
cobalt pewter
dapper coral
it probably has to be like, actual blocks of water
cobalt pewter
I just did an oopsie I guess
I tried beating yharon by running into the seawater
Expecting to get dmg 
Honestly that could be a fun way to utilize the clump
Lemme just suggest it after my brimmy rework sugg went thru
@dapper coral I guess the top sugg got ignored by the bot again? It's a sliver past 24 hrs already for that specific sugg
nvm
Bot was just lagging
dapper coral
lmao nw
craggy stratus
i think the trail works like particles than an actual liquid
cobalt pewter
Either way would be fun if those particles would grant the player weaker Amalgam liquid stat bonuses when inside
sinful steeple
Doesn't that already happen
hollow shell
I'm pretty sure that already happens yes
sinful steeple
From the tooltip on the wiki: "The above bonuses also apply when passing through the clumps poisonous seawater"
cobalt pewter
Oh wait
P O G
Why am I dumb
Lemme confirm
Oh shit YEA
Amalgam is gud now
So my attempt to run into the trail wasn't in vain
sinful steeple
Honestly it's probably still bad, actually
tawny garden
for the amalgam to be gut it needs to be better than HotE
sinful steeple
If you gotta play in a certain way to make an acc not below average, that's usually a sign that the acc isn't good
That's not exactly an achievement considering that HoTE isn't great
distant gyro
amalgam is best at lava combat 
distant gyro
it's good for multiplayer lavabaths
tawny garden
oh, and hote was kinda good for me
maybe because of my playstyle
distant gyro
one player sits behind at a lava pool with amalgam giving off a whopping +40% damage
(which is in fact the best raw damage accessory in calamity)
also it makes its way into tank loadouts for tank-bean-water +100 defense synergy
and on its own it's better than statis curse as summoner
radiant meadow
It's silva, but that's not exactly relevant I don't think
and it's a different type of damage boost
mental perch
Is there a breaker blade upgrade in calamity
There needs to be a breaker blade upgrade
radiant meadow
phoenix blade?
mental perch
Just for all your true melee needs
mental perch
Phoenix blade
Yeah thx
need a bigger one tho
lol
Also uhm
Does calamity patch the striking moment buff
or is that completely overpowered still
mental perch
So it is possible to get 125x damage with a horseman's blade type weapon
radiant meadow
it requires a pretty inordinate amount of setup for not a super huge pay off tbh
but yes
mental perch
wdym not a super huge payoff
radiant meadow
what I mean is that you'd be better off doing whatever normally than setting up stuff for striking moment memes
mental perch
But
Last Mourning
60k damage per proj
Wait
it would be 60k for first proj, then 12k for the rest
radiant meadow
I'm pretty sure dumbbell abuse is faster
hollow shell
What suggestion is this going to lead into
mental perch
?
radiant meadow
if you aren't trying to come up with a suggestion, you're in the wrong place
mental perch
Oh I was thinking that the silva armor and dumbnell could be nerfed
If you repost, does the counter start back from 0?
(because technically as far as the system is designed it's just another suggestion)?
robust lava
Yes
hollow shell
the "counter"?
radiant meadow
the amount of stars resets yes
hollow shell
Oh, yeah stars do not carry over with reposts
It's a separate suggestion
outer tusk
Make a mode for people with lesser computers that have trouble with frame rates. l think this will be good for players who have trouble on bosses like astrum deus or the dog due to frame rate issues. making a mode that makes items bosses or accessories make less lag can be a huge help for people who are stuck on these bosses due to frame rate issues.
radiant meadow
that's not exactly possible I don't think
weak field
lmao philo
hollow shell
"Make a mode" is a bit of a strange way to word that
cuz when I hear "mode" I think of Revengeance and Armageddon.
This sounds more like an "option"
earnest vine
yeah when reading make a mode people will think instant dont
should be add an option
tawny garden
the sugg would be valid, just not doable
earnest vine
rly?
tawny garden
cause redcode is the ultimate bodge
earnest vine
you cant, idk, reduce the amount of particles that weapons like scarlet devil create?
tawny garden
and then tML devs had to bodge even more on top of that
earnest vine
ah, ok
tawny garden
everything that's doable can already be done through [[tgc:Settings]] afaik
red stormBOT
tawny garden
although controlling the amount of particles could be a thing, but that'd require so much reworking
hollow shell
override Dust.NewDust to give it a 50% chance to do nothing
earnest vine
tawny garden
earnest vine
it wont be long untill games start to turn laggy not because the amount of things being rendered but rather because of the huge amount of random numbers generated every frame
earnest vine
over time they seem to have more and more randomness, but might be just me
tawny garden
wdym "won't be long"? have you ever played Terraria?
redcode literally generates a random number between 30 and 30 in some places
dapper coral
redcode literally generates a random number between 30 and 30 in some places
this feels like something i would do
vocal grotto
Main.maxDustToDraw = (int)(6000f * (Main.gfxQuality * 0.7f + 0.3f));
if ((double)Main.gfxQuality < 0.9)
{
Main.maxDustToDraw = (int)((float)Main.maxDustToDraw * Main.gfxQuality);
}
if (Main.maxDustToDraw < 1000)
{
Main.maxDustToDraw = 1000;
}
This technically exists.
tawny garden
relevant piece of code:
if (Main.rand.Next(7) == 0)
{
this.velocity.X = this.velocity.X + (float)Main.rand.Next(30, 31) * 0.01f;
}
Main.rand.Next(30, 31) always returns 30
earnest vine
oh
tawny garden
oh yes
hollow shell
ah so the Quality setting enforces a dust cap?
tawny garden
yea
tawny garden
(and there's a secondary 1000 cap if the game gets overexcited with particles)
radiant meadow
dust isn't the only thing that lags the game
one notable example is pre-arsenal update Fabstaff
which didn't lag because of dust
it instead spawned like 30 projectiles per cast
dustless projectiles mind you
worn blaze
anyone on board with increasing the cryo stone's drop rate? I have to mentally prepare for the torture that is grinding through 30 cryogen boss fights without even getting one cryo stone every time I want the kelvin catalyst. It should be obtainable after a few attempts, not over a dozen, because that ruins the boss fight and instead of remembering the sense of accomplishment that comes with mastering the attack patterns, I just remember how much pain I endure to get 1 cryo stone
golden narwhal
Isn't its drop rate the same as other HotE materials from bosses?
If so, smth should happen to them as well
worn blaze
tru, I remember pbg also being really painful, though not as much as cryogen because I would have far better gear by that point
same with levi
but the community is a different case
radiant meadow
cryo, bloom, rose, and chaos stones are all 10% drops
pearl of enthrallment is 25% (normal), 33.33% (expert)
worn blaze
though maybe removing it from the crafting recipe from the kelvin catalyst altogether might be a decent idea
radiant meadow
aero stone varies per boss and difficulty, but it is roughly 10% in all cases
golden narwhal
Ah
worn blaze
rip
hollow shell
You could ask him
radiant meadow
Rover
hollow shell
if the patron exists
radiant meadow
we couldn't f ind them
hollow shell
Is he one of the ones we couldn't find
radiant meadow
yes
worn blaze
still though a case might be made for increasing the drop rate for all hote items
radiant meadow
you can do that, yes
worn blaze
aight will do
worn blaze
Let me know if there are any typos or other issues
hollow shell
Seems fine
worn blaze
also I like that rage sugg, reminds me of touhou
ancient crow
the rage thing actually reminds me of jetpack joyride
there are certain missions where you have to intentionally get near misses with various obstacles
seems like a great idea
worn blaze
and it might force some players who want more of a reward to risk themselves to get temporary increased dmg, def something I can see the pros utilizing fully (especially levi)
violet dagger
Oh that
I forgot to read the previous messages
Anyways bloom stone needs a raise imo
Since even at the point at which u can craft hote
Pbg is a challenge
sinful steeple
On the topic of the bloom stone, why is it dropped by a melted bee in a robotic exoskeleton and not the boss that is a flower
radiant meadow
Uelibloom Ore spawned on pbg defeat in past versions of the mod
sinful steeple
I thought that was Plantera's defeat
radiant meadow
Plantera spawns Perennial ore
violet dagger
No in previous versions
ancient crow
fun fact, perennial bars were once called "draedon bars"
radiant meadow
Aerialite also used to spawn on DS defeat, hence Aero Stone and AS takes most of DS drops
sinful steeple
Wiki lied to me 
sinful steeple
"Despite appearing to be made out of Uelibloom Ore, it is obtained at a much earlier tier. This is because Uelibloom Ore was obtainable after Plantera was defeated in earlier versions of the mod following its introduction." -trivia part of bloom stone
hollow shell
time to correct.
radiant meadow
time to check page history...,.,...
hollow shell
Fixed
Ah, the trivia used to say "This is because Uelibloom Ore was originally obtainable Post-Plantera in previous versions."
which confused some editor somewhere
worn blaze
Am I remembering something wrong or did perennial bars used to be called "life bars?"
hollow shell
Not Perennial.
ancient crow
nah that was life alloy
violet dagger
Nope
hollow shell
Life Alloy used to be Bar of Life
worn blaze
ohhh
ancient crow
practically every bar had a different name at one point
violet dagger
Except shadowspec
ancient crow
the only ones that haven't changed are aerialite, auric tesla, and shadowspec
ancient crow
woops
worn blaze
remember when the sulphur sea was j
ancient crow
j
violet dagger
j
hollow shell
mmm
ancient crow
piss ocean
worn blaze
jarate sea
violet dagger
Tbh the previous color was more sulphorous looking
hollow shell
Actually
radiant meadow
something on topic probably
craggy stratus
the asgard valor suggestion is nice and all, but the pocket mirror is pretty rare
hollow shell
anyway yeah suggestions
radiant meadow
would probably add a Pocket Mirror recipe
craggy stratus
asgard valor doesnt give immunity to astral infection right
ancient crow
oh also, does anyone have a sprite for placed effulgent manipulator
the wiki doesn't have one for some reason
worn blaze
medusas seem to spawn more frequently in calamity, maybe it's just me
ancient crow
it just has the inventory item
radiant meadow
Cal doesn't touch medusa spawn rates
worn blaze
none of the ones I came across dropped it so i don't think so :/
violet dagger
That seems like #wiki-discussion stuff robotgiggle
heady storm
ChadLad's sugg fine now btw? I see the edited tag but don't remember from last night.
heady storm
@cobalt pewter since you brought it up initially.
violet dagger
Hardcoded feature tho 
tawny garden
it's a bummer
this one sugg is actually sort of original
radiant meadow
Buff cap can be raised with tmodloader I think, but it's not
super easy
Ozz knows more
hollow shell
It's just that the devs don't want to for balance reasons
radiant meadow
balance too.
violet dagger
Just use lan's unlimited buff slots
If u want more slots
It actually works unlike a lot of other buff slots mods
fossil finch
Wasn't it buggy anyways?
worn blaze
Wait I missed it, can someone give a summary of it?
hollow shell
Planned
wooden lance
good shit
wooden lance
if it makes things easier, if you have it planned, i'll do away with the sugg
your job is hard enough
cobalt pewter
1, 2, 3 suggs haven't been thrown to the voting yet, past 24 hrs
radiant meadow
there's no summon planned for victide, aerospec, or statigel iirc
cobalt pewter
Mine, tom's and mackeye's
hollow shell
There is one planned for Statigel
wooden lance
all it has is melee and range
swift wharf
Statigel has summons
swift wharf
From slime god
wooden lance
statigel does not
radiant meadow
I forgot that thing existed
swift wharf
Yeah it's the same tier
radiant meadow
okay statigel does have something planned
wooden lance
so is enforcer and excelsus
radiant meadow
cosmilite doesn't have something planned
wooden lance
but excelsus isnt cosmilite
radiant meadow
don't think uelibloom does?
hollow shell
Ueli does
swift wharf
Boss drops doesn't count?
radiant meadow
is it a stupid flower?
hollow shell
No
violet dagger
yup bots down
radiant meadow
okay
hollow shell
||Igneous Exaltation upgrade||
violet dagger
feedza's should've gone to voting a few hours ago
radiant meadow
oh that thing
tawny garden
Rover, try to approve them via a ✅
radiant meadow
the like one that Dom coded 6 months ago
but never added to git until a few days ago
hollow shell
whom
radiant meadow
the suggs
tawny garden
radiant meadow
sugg bot perms might be wacky rn
hollow shell
okay
radiant meadow
Amber and Demik were talking about it earlier today
hollow shell
✅ worked, lol
wooden lance
cosmilite is on the fence because cosmic viper exists, but its not a true cosmilite tier summon if that makes sense
because its not crafted with cosmilite and seasonal energy
hollow shell
It's still an option for you to use in that tier
tawny garden
that means sugg bot perms aren't an issue
wooden lance
yes, im thinking more about keeping the tiers consistent
and also why i said it was on the fence
radiant meadow
cosmic viper isn't a true cosmilite summon, no
wooden lance
right, despite theming
radiant meadow
cosmilite set uses cosmilite and one of the seasonal energies, crafted at an ancient manipulator
wooden lance
yes
wooden lance
dont think so
hollow shell
because Drae Forge
hollow shell
all Cosmilite weps are post 1 Moon
wooden lance
i think its planned
wooden lance
iirc ozz is burnt out on ammo coding
hollow shell
It may even be programmed and just sitting in a branch somewhere
cobalt pewter
Would be fun to see 2 different ammo variants based off the moons
But at this point me just dreaming
wooden lance
the issue is that if you did that then one would almost certainly be better than the other
radiant meadow
probably
cobalt pewter
the issue is that if you did that then one would almost certainly be better than the other
@wooden lance yeah that's fair
wooden lance
and would devalue one of the moons
worn blaze
Wasn't there an auric toilet?
wooden lance
and given that ice effects suck in terraria, i have an idea as to which would be better
actually i like that idea, especially if there's a yharim army kinda deal
wooden lance
yharim's throne
gusty geode
Tbh why doesn't someone just do a blanket "rework HotE" sugg at this point
All of the elementals are apparently bad, might as well kill 4 waifus with one stone
wooden lance
one of the elementals is really good
one of them is situational
all the others suck
gusty geode
Honestly I feel like the purpose of the HotE is the feeling rather than to actually be viable, you know what I mean?
You've fought and defeated every last one of the beings that embody entire elements
And now you have them all together on your side to take on Yharim
It makes you feel a lot more powerful (even if in reality you're not) and like a good person for helping them all
That kinda design isn't inherently bad imo
sand umbra
it would be less bad if it wasn't inherently more viable to never have vis on with it
wooden lance
it is a good item as it stands
wooden lance
visibility on gives you the insane life regen
hollow shell
I have a 'rework HotE' sugg sittin in dev, with help from Ozz
Then again I have reworks for pretty much everything sittin in dev
sturdy geyser
enter key
sand umbra
if it's more beneficial for virtually all circumstances to have the visibility off
then what, pray tell, is the point of the harem even being there
obvious eyecandy point notwithstanding
hollow shell
They're supposed to be some good summons
sand umbra
yes
hollow shell
considering how many of them there are
sand umbra
supposed to be.
hollow shell
big attack spam
unreal viper
Speaking of reworks, is something happening to reaver armor? I seem to remember rover mentioning that something was happening to it.
hollow shell
||Yes||
wooden lance
can i repost my draedon's summons sugg? its been a little while
unreal viper
sand umbra
me when big damage cloud gf
hollow shell
You can if its been over a week
unreal viper
The best reason to use heart on currently is for the healing.
unreal viper
Which is very strong.
wooden lance
fair enough
sand umbra
since Vile Feeder isn't like
wooden lance
busted
sand umbra
meme anymore
and it's actually something resembling balanced
might be worth testing that again now that it's on fair grounds
wooden lance
absolutely
violet dagger
me when mechanical acid pet froge is weak:
wooden lance
you hate to see it
zenith hazel
we can just test this ourselves
scanner, snake eyes, pole warper are all in solid places
frogs can be looked into
radiant meadow
nerf cosmilamps
zenith hazel
and just slap a resist on polter to plague jets because I hate these bastards
cobalt pewter
nerf cosmilamps
no, Singus pre provi is cool meta
zenith hazel
alright tier shift them to post-prov and nerf them
cobalt pewter
alright tier shift them to post-prov and nerf them
o o f, just don't nerf cosmilamp and I'm gud
Back to draedon's stuff
I was already having hopes for ranger with Taser
Shit feels so fun to use
Then Matter Modulator breaks the hopes into pieces
radiant meadow
make them take double ammo :)
cobalt pewter
grim tusk
i think snake eyes are worse than cells
tested them against signus and cells did better
(doesnt compare to axes though)
also mage reaver will be nerfed killed right?
zenith hazel
then the problem is that cells are too good, simple
grim tusk
if cells are too good so are cold divinity and astral probes (dragon is trash lul, went from anhilating weaver in op vigil patch to barely denting it, similar for ML (currently))
cobalt pewter
Cold Divinity absolutely deletes pre-golem progression btw
grim tusk
(also cold divinity is post-Cryo, and as powerfull as cells, why?)
Cold Divinity absolutely deletes pre-golem progression btw
The entire hm progression you mean
just farm cryogen with blackhawk remote until you get it and you have your summon for everything until ML
sterile arch
how is cold divinity that broken
violet dagger
because its a legendary perhaps
sterile arch
yeah but all i hear is that it's especially broken compared to other ones
cobalt pewter
Check its tooltip
grim tusk
it lasts the entirety of hm
the only points were other summons give it competition are Golem and Ravager (sandsharks) and ML (Cells and Astral probes)
grim tusk
^
violet dagger
less damage but still viable for a legendary
grim tusk
yea as long that it isnt as powerful as entropy's vigil we gud
violet dagger
didnt it get buffed in rust and dust
grim tusk
yes
cobalt pewter
I already suggested something to make other legendaries be more in line with CD instead of otherwise:
#suggestions-voting message
sterile arch
if you make all the legendaries in line with CD you just make it so the meta will revolve around getting those legendaries no matter how long it takes
grim tusk
^
cobalt pewter
What's the point of legendaries again?
radiant meadow
Tempest sucking is a vanilla issue, rewriting projectile AIs isn't really favorable
violet dagger
In exchange, make them all drop from bosses and not bags.
sterile arch
that doesn't like, fix the issue of it becoming mega meta
radiant meadow
They would have to be super fucking strong to be viable
cobalt pewter
Legendaries should not drop from bags in the first place tbh
radiant meadow
Tempest just sucks
violet dagger
that sugg would work well with feedza's other sugg about switching around the mode rewards
cobalt pewter
cobalt pewter
Yeah searching by user id in voting works
violet dagger
ye i was doing that but
cobalt pewter
But yeah, it would synergize pretty well
violet dagger
quite a few suggs in voting
cobalt pewter
Sorry for suggesting so much then 
violet dagger
funny thing is they're all good suggs
cobalt pewter
violet dagger
aaaandd I just thought of an interesting sugg to make ravager have a bit more fun
basically in the 2nd phase when he stomps down he pulls you down and creates a shockwave, however to make it more fair the homing nukes and walls and other stuff would disappear during the stomp, and his dmg when he shoots up is lowered, not sure if its too specific tho
grim tusk
yea that stomp makes him really hard
violet dagger
new sugg
all i can say is yes
feedza making good suggs again
I have it turned off most of the time because it just looks weird on the boss like that
radiant meadow
how would that work on entities that share an HP bar?
Namely, EoW and Wall of Flesh
cobalt pewter
Head for EoW ig
Not entirely sure what to put wof on, since they all share the same hp but possibly not the debuffs
dapper coral
what if you put it on the health bar at the bottom of the screen instead
or would that be funky for certain bosses
actually yeah it would be
violet dagger
wof is advanced worm why did u have to remind me of that meme that was posted in soa discord ben
radiant meadow
always in the bottom right corner
dapper coral
that one
radiant meadow
isn't that what they are suggesting?
dapper coral
i interpreted it as the health bars that appear ingame, not the one in the bottom right
is what they're asking for
radiant meadow
"Calamity's HP Bar"
radiant meadow
consider it done
hollow shell
hrm
dapper coral
@ashen warren just so you know
looks like it's all within the last 3 hours
oh what
hollow shell
(maybe spread out a few of these approvals actually
Probably not good to have a ton bunched up, whoops)
dapper coral
aight, i'll give those last 2 a couple hours then
heady storm
What the.
golden narwhal
That'd be op
gray nebula
getting rewarded for doing what you already do
also stealth no longer requires you to stand still
golden narwhal
Essentially you're trading off damage for more damage, while with the current system, you trade off damage for making yourself vunerable or stopping damage
wooden wedge
stealth hasn't needed you to stand still to regen it for months now
golden narwhal
And with the system you propose, that damage would skyrocket with no setbacks
dry latch
wasn't there a wep that did the same thing? charged stealth for attacking enemies
also, fix formatting. the bot will die without the linebreak
heady storm
You also need to fix formatting yeah.
dry latch
iirc oz mentioned reworking stealth to be based on movement instead. so you generate stealth by running or dashing
not sure if that was ever made a thing
hollow shell
Suggestion's main idea needs to be at the top on a separate line (shift+enter)
with reasoning below
golden narwhal
Oh, that'd be cool
hollow shell
That was Ozz's idea yes but afaik its not even written down
Backburner plan
cobalt pewter
Fun fact: if you have Asgardian Aegis, there would be A LOT of opportunities to stand still vs Yharon
hollow shell
yeah you'll just die tho
cobalt pewter
Oho, that's not the case rover
Aegis dashes op
Just stand still while you're waiting for Yharon to finish each and every of his mfn roars
I'd love to record my gameplay, but my laptop is garbo
The problem with stealth rogue atm, funnily enough, isn't the bar itself (altho that rework ozza talked about sounds pretty promising)
It's the variety of weapons
One of the main culprits would be weapons with melee/rogue variants
Now that they reworked Celestus, stealth rogue doesn't have a decent weapon vs scal now
Since the new stealth strike is essentially a nerf
dapper coral
(Btw, shall I throw those few Suggs into voting now?)
hollow shell
yeah
dapper coral
There we go
hollow shell
Thank you for your patience
dapper coral
It’s what I’m here for
Btw, did bot explode earlier too? I noticed you and Ben approved a bunch of Suggs
hollow shell
if by explode you mean fail to auto-approve
then yes
ashen warren
What exactly is the issue with auto approves
cobalt pewter
The issue is that it never happened
Over 11 suggs need to be ✅ manually in order to go into voting
After 24 hours of rotting
ashen warren
okay, attempted a fix @dapper coral @hollow shell lmk if it occurs again
heady storm
I'll be watching then.
ashen warren
the check runs every 5 min, so if after 5-6 mins it still hasn't, then let me know
cobalt pewter
Alrighty
cobalt pewter
pog it works
dry latch
UltraLord's sugg still got formatting issues
heady storm
Honestly love this one.
frozen hollow
Unlucky that suggestions only get 240 stars if there isn't many suggestions being added at the moment
If there is a bunch of suggestions being added at the same time, the one added first will not be seen as much as the others and will probably never get the 240 stars
cobalt pewter
Star req reevaluation (and eventually reduction) will come soon™
tawny garden
I'll do the official star req re-evaluation on the 24th/25th
3 weeks from the raising (and the last tally)
— @hollow shell
it's the 26th already