terra themed stuff counts as nature themed
#suggestions-discussion
radiant meadow
unreal viper
Ok
glass sentinel
so only tempest?
radiant meadow
tempest and tsunami are prob the best candidates
heady storm
@true tapir Reasoning?
unreal viper
I agree, must have entered on accident.
heady storm
It's possible yeah, shift - enter.
glass sentinel
thats was already sugged ages ago no?
radiant meadow
for tempest, you can cite floodtide and monsoon for having sharks
true tapir
just so it works like the normal slime mount i guess
tawny garden
your reason should be in the sugg
true tapir
ok
radiant meadow
depends on how you feel about the others
arctic notch
Is Flairon Affected?
radiant meadow
but I think tsunami and tempest have the most going for them
none of duke's drops are affected
arctic notch
Flairon should due to the Duke head.
heady storm
Looks fine yeah.
median dove
i have a suggestion, please nerf dragonfolly
glass sentinel
y
radiant meadow
You should mention the thing about tempest
about how sharks are deemed nature themed by prior weapons like floodtide
rapid pivot
Here's an idea; y'know how Death Mode corruption worms all act like EoW? What if instead of getting the normal loot when you kill all the segments, you had a modest chance of getting loot whenever you killed each segment?
glass sentinel
good now?
violet dagger
not sure how possible this latest sugg would be
radiant meadow
it's possible, but music is already pretty chonky
rapid pivot
(Because as it is right now, things like World Feeders or Devourers are a painful slog to fight, even disproportionately so, compared to other Death Mode enemies... for the same loot as, say, the Clinger, or an Eater of Souls.)
violet dagger
wouldnt they need 2 files for the music tracks
tawny garden
wow
violet dagger
1 for the normal and 1 for musical
tawny garden
double the songs
whole sedge
yeah that likely wouldn't be something they want to do 
rapid pivot
given that Dokuro doesn't actually do calamity music anymore
that might be.. difficult
tawny garden
I've never seen a sugg just asking to double up the whole mod
glass sentinel
pinkie and rover
violet dagger
only 2 songs have lyrics
elder veldt
So far
whole sedge
it'd pretty much double the size
elder veldt
I can’t find the original suggestion
gusty geode
Is the bot itself supposed to be able to approve suggs?
radiant meadow
yes
elder veldt
Nvm I’m in the wrong channel
gusty geode
Kinda defeats the purpose of it saying who approved it at all imo
Before it said which mod specifically approved it
Now it could really be anyone
Assuming it's a command that does it
violet dagger
bot approving suggs is a new thing tho
rapid pivot
Any thoughts on my sugg?
cobalt pewter
@heady storm whoop didn't account for Mistlestorm at all, will add it to the sugg. The sugg should still stand for the most part tho
heady storm
Alrighty. 
cobalt pewter
heady storm
@median dove you need some reasoning to tag along with your suggestion.
violet dagger
im guessing pressed enter to early
tawny garden
@median dove your reason should be in the same message as the title
glass sentinel
i mean he said this earlier
tawny garden
shift+enter
lavish matrix
@frozen hollow I reallly like your idea
heady storm
Ah there he goes.
median dove
chat slow down
glass sentinel
welp its not a very.... everyone sugg is it
rapid pivot
What's your gear?
glass sentinel
eg: i had no trouble with him
rapid pivot
tbh i think you should be talking this up more with #help-advice-read-pins
median dove
im rogue class
rapid pivot
post a screencap of your equipment
glass sentinel
^
rapid pivot
Either way, any complaints/criticisms of my sugg?
(tldr; make death mode worm enemies have the loot-dropping behavior of EoW, except toned down a bit, rather than having loot drop when you kill the whole worm)
sleek turret
Like, dropping EoW materials?
rapid pivot
No.
glass sentinel
cursed flames etc
sleek turret
Ah, I see.
rapid pivot
Like, instead of only dropping their loot when you kill the final worm segment, they have a chance of dropping some loot with each segment killed.
Ye.
median dove
rapid pivot
don't post it here, post in #help-advice-read-pins , and ask for help with dragonfolly
obsidian oar
wait
Would it be a (little) challenging to make a pare of wings like the knights clocking (it dosn't look like wings at first but as sooon as you fly the marark wings apeer)
the reason why i am saying this is cause of the joost mod
rapid pivot
I don't understand what any of that means.
obsidian oar
Hollow knight stuff
rapid pivot
Eeeeh... it's better to have a suggestion that exists for reasons other than as a reference.
sleek turret
Well yes, it could reward, maybe if you could split a worms loot in different bodyparts.
Example:
Worm drops cursed flames, dropping always 15 flames exact, on a gamemode that isn't Death Mode.
Now apply this, the worm on Death Mode have 5 segments, so lets do some math.
15/5 = 3
Apply this on Death Mode: make the 5 segments of the worm drop 3 cursed flames each one of them when killed.
rapid pivot
Ah.. that's kinda the problem.
The amount of loot it drops isn't enough given how severe the changes to them in DM are.
15 Cursed Flames is fine for an enemy with a thousand health.
On Deathmode, it effectively has like 15-20 times that.
But at the same time, it might be easy to accidentally make it drop a bit too much loot if it was changed to EoW-style. So, rather than a guarenteed drop, a chance. (Or maybe just 1-2 flames per segment; probably a considerable boost.)
sleek turret
Yeah, but that example is for direct loot, now apply it with some RNG.
left ice
Well, I was gonna make a suggestion, but it looks like tons of people have already made some today, so I guess I won't. Don't want it to get drowned out. RIP
rapid pivot
It's always like this, itch.
left ice
Nah, the last few days it's been way less.
sleek turret
Do this:
15/5 = 3
Add a RNG Value making the loot drop between 1-3
sleek turret
*considering the example
rapid pivot
Either way, what you're saying would mean that they're dropping the same amount of loot as they would otherwise, right?
sleek turret
No, im meaning the worm could drop the loot but with a RNG value, for example:
A worm could drop 15-25 cursed flames normally when killed on a different gamemode that isn't DM
Now in DM; the segments could drop 3-5 cursed flames for 1 segment.
Note: the worm used has 5 segments.
rapid pivot
Alright.
whole sedge
i agree that dragonfolly is not the easiest but might not be the best wording to balance him a bit
mighty knot
dragonfolly isn't mandatory
it's a nice challenge if you want to do it early post-moonlord with some good rewards
if you're not up to it, you can do it later. red lightning container is always valuable.
hollow shell
Well Dragonfolly is mandatory but not required to fight at the tier it's in
mighty knot
well yeah
distant gyro
no
mighty knot
it's mandatory in the sense that wand of sparking is mandatory for the wand
it's trivial at the point it's required
hollow shell
I forgot about Draconic Swarmers
That and I didn't know if they dropped feathers or not
distant gyro
- Dragonfolly is not mandatory.
but 2. Bosses being mandatory is the minority in the mod
mighty knot
wdym dragonfolly is mandatory for yharon 
hollow shell
It would be mandatory if those swarmer bois didn't exist
distant gyro
out of wof, cultist, ravager, ml, and yharon
hollow shell
mighty knot
oh yeah I guess
radiant meadow
they were added specifically so DF wasn't mandatory
hollow shell
hrm
distant gyro
12.5% of the total bosses vanilla and calamity have to be beaten
that leaves a whopping 87.5% non-mandatory
hollow shell
And that is fine
distant gyro
if you qualify scal as the run ender that bumps it to 20% i guess
hollow shell
It's like how Hollow Knight has just 6 mandatory bosses. 4 if you use exploits.
Even though the game has 28-47 bosses total depending on how you consider em
violet dagger
it's a fact that those bosses will take forever because watcher knights 
hollow shell
grrr Watcher Knights grr arrgh
mighty knot
it's also a fact that watcher knights are pretty consistent tho so like git gud
but they do be kinda hard
violet dagger
I have the same kind of feeling towards watcher knights as to pbg
im like ughhh this boss again
mighty knot
but you don't have to do pbg
violet dagger
my boss checklist OCD requires me to
unreal star
fuckin watcher knights lmao
just beat hollow knight for the first time today
i died like 5 times to them but only twice to the final boss
but this is offtopic
thorny lance
I don't know if you guys have heard this suggestion a million times before and if so, I'm sorry. Please remove the flying carpet, psychotic amulet, and frost barrier from the auric tesla recipes. At that stage in the game those accessories are kind of useless and it can take hours to grind for them
violet dagger
flying carpet,
defiled nohitters would like to have a word with you
(according to most of them the flying carpet is what made scal defiled possible)
thorny lance
Ah forgot about that
serene fox
violet dagger
it'd be nice to have a way to toggle it
thorny lance
But you are out of your mind if you want to defiled nohit SCal
hollow shell
Even if it's been sugg'd before, you can sugg it again
heady storm
defiled nohitters would like to have a word with you
(according to most of them the flying carpet is what made scal defiled possible)
Gonna be honest, yeah, it really did.
thorny lance
I don't know anything about how to do defiled runs but would the brimrose mount help?
heady storm
I feel like it wouldn't really, plus mount cheesing is banned anyway.
If anything maybe during bullet hells but otherwise...
thorny lance
Alright, so the flying carpet has a niche use for the auric tesla set. What about frost barrier and psychotic amulet?
Flying carpet is the easiest of the three to get anyway
heady storm
Honestly just some deep farming, which is also how Flying Carpet is obtained without pyramids.
Frost barrier can also be sold by the travelling merchant. 
thorny lance
I mean why keep these in the crafting recipes when they can take hours to grind for and have next to no purpose?
Frost barrier is only sold by traveling merchant during full moon. What are the chances of that?
heady storm
Their effects are functional with each retrospective armor piece.
And yeah, was gonna say travelling merchant can be a dick.
thorny lance
Yeah. "It's post moon lord and you don't have a DPS meter? Well here's a tiger skin"
unreal viper
Just carpet to tracers instead.
heady storm
If anything I would at least keep carpet on leggings or what you just said IHS.
cobalt pewter
Honestly I'm down to moving the carpet effect to celestial tracers, with visibility toggle for the catpet effect
Yes I just said catpet
And no I won't edit it
heady storm
patent mural
99% of boss nerf suggestions: "game too hard :((( so make it baby mode easy pls :)))"
unreal viper
Ok.
dapper coral
please don't meme about a sugg here, this channel is meant for providing feedback to make suggs better
unreal viper
^
heady storm
In all honesty, making comments like that is completely unecessary and doesn't contribute to the suggestion in question.
sand umbra
not sure if I'm a huge fan of this sugg
the whole problem with rituals as they are right now is that they remove the skill-based element that's present in the original rituals
the attack doesn't need a redesign, it needs to return to its old goddamn behavior 
cobalt pewter
Yes
Maybe make it more punishing if missed or out of time
But defaulting to the current behavior all the time is massive ech
If I want a challenge with Cultist, I'd change it in the ritual phase to get the same lighting treatment as its clones
Now that's a challenge
violet dagger
Just make hitting the wrong one trigger the cultist to go infernum mode if dom has done that 
violet dagger
Anyways most of the bosses with major changes are at a good point
The removal of contact damage from golem head was a good move
sand umbra
the only way contact damage from that head is removed is in the sense that if you get it to contact you you're either playing melee or stupid
both is a possibility but that's not the point
hollow shell
Nah it was that the Phase 1 to 2 transition could have it flying through you as it tried snapping into position
hollow shell
sand umbra
oh that's a thing
hollow shell
So yeah no more head contact damage
sand umbra
I've literally never seen this happen from what I can remember but ok
hollow shell
sand umbra
bruh
violet dagger
I'm guessing those are nohit attempts
hollow shell
Yeah, Arma
heady storm
@cobalt pewter wouldn't that actually nerf it?
cobalt pewter
Hm, really? I didn't tinker much with luxor summoner, only a bit
heady storm
From what I'm getting you're basically saying for it to require 2 minion slots compared to 1 to summon.
dapper coral
yeah, this sounds like a nerf to me
cobalt pewter
Oh no
dapper coral
you're asking to increase the minion slots required
without a buff to the capabilities of the summon
cobalt pewter
But I implied that you could summon more than one
But at the exchange of 2 used slots per 1 sign
Maybe I need to make that clearer
dapper coral
that's not what it says at all
cobalt pewter
dapper coral
i didn't get that impression
heady storm
Yeah I feel like you could clarify that better.
dapper coral
that's better
heady storm
^
cobalt pewter
frozen hollow
My suggestion got ignored 😞
radiant meadow
Immat summons 5 luxor signs?
heady storm
Wait a sec, what.
heady storm
Ahhh, yeah it would be like that.
cobalt pewter
@radiant meadow I guess yes
Damage can also be reduced in this case
My main point is in the mechanism rework
heady storm
He understood yeah.
dry latch
what about summons that use less than one slot? like herrings and spiders?
cobalt pewter
@dry latch as long as 2 total slots are used, one Sign will always spawn
So you'll need 4 herrings to spawn 1 sign
dry latch
with the power/dmg stat of one summon? cuz those are balanced around having multiple of them
heady storm
Honestly that balances it.
cobalt pewter
with the power/dmg stat of one summon? cuz those are balanced around having multiple of them
@dry latch I guess so yes, it's still nice damage bonus regardless
dry latch
what about mixing summons? say you summon two herrings and one fire imp, which would the sign be based on? the last one summoned? the first one?
cobalt pewter
I'd assume the last minion that would fill the 2-slot requirement
dry latch
fusion based summons when
like summoning 5 different summons and having them fuse into one bigger summon
gray nebula
exodia
pale glacier
like summoning 5 different summons and having them fuse into one bigger summon
Ngl that would be fucking cool
cobalt pewter
yugioh reference aside, that'd be fucking tedious to summon everytime
hollow shell
I proposed this exact suggestion in the dev server
gray nebula
navyplate is used for the eldtrich soul artifact due to the cultist's relation to the eidolon wyrms and friends
hollow shell
hollow shell
I do think it's a missed opportunity for Prov to not have the "Essence of Sunlight" block
but, thas the reasoning
sand umbra
me when the sun god boss descending from the sun to obliterate everything with the sun's light
does not use the very clearly sun-related plate for her soul artifact
hollow shell
I do think Eldritch using Navyplate is actually clever and I didn't think about that before
so
I feel like that one is the tipping point for which system we wanna go with
sand umbra
Navyplate Eldritch is clever, ye
cobalt pewter
Now that I see the reasonings, Navyplate for Eldritch is cool indeed
sand umbra
personally I can't help but think it's a bit of a stretch, but I've certainly seen dumber shit 
hollow shell
@lavish cloak (if you wanna see above)
lavish cloak
Then they REALLY need to retheme and rename the Eldritch Soul Artifact to like, Eidolon Soul or something. And not have the sprite only consist of red and black colors
cobalt pewter
Isn't Eldritch still related? Or am I just dumb
lavish cloak
Also Providence brings Purity and Order, not chaos
hollow shell
m that's a good point about purity, you could add that to your suggestion
lavish cloak
I guess eldritch kinda works because Cthulhu
radiant meadow
Burning the world to ash feels pretty chaotic to me
lavish cloak
^
radiant meadow
Absolute purity caused first by absolute chaos if you ask me
hollow shell
ok
lavish cloak
Yeah but if we’re talking thematically? Sun champs over Chaos
jovial spire
Providence is basically just
"Living things can't sin if there are no living things"
lavish cloak
Providence has more of a connection to the sun than she does to chaos
hollow shell
indeed
lavish cloak
She literally lives inside it
loud cloak
yes
lavish cloak
And she’s harder during the night because she isn’t supposed to be fought during it
There are so many things that connect her to the sun you might as well call her the sun
hollow shell
I guess we could keep Navyplate on Eldritch, and put Cinderplate on Profaned
if we want Normality Relocator to have Chaosplate
loud cloak
yesss
hollow shell
which could fit
considering it's the upgrade to the Rod of Discord dropped by Chaos Elementals
lavish cloak
Chaos plate does work for normality relocator because
radiant meadow
Chaos state?
hollow shell
mhm
lavish cloak
It inflicts chaos state
tawny garden
(chaos fish)
jovial spire
anyways, the whole each artifact having a different plating is actually something i suggested while testing, and I did originally suggest profaned soul using cinderplate.
hollow shell
s'just that Calamity's "chaos" is distinctly separate from the Hallow's "chaos"
but
it could still work
radiant meadow
We have chaotic fish and chaos fish, don't we 
tawny garden
jovial spire
And it just got changed along the way, I suppose
lavish cloak
But if we’re keeping navyplate on Eldritch Soul I think the item needs to be spirited to fit it being related to eidolon themes
lavish cloak
Like instead of the little red plasm it’s tentacles
hollow shell
you could mention that as an extra bit in your sugg
lavish cloak
Because Cthulhu
jovial spire
Yeah, I was thinking Navyplate for Eldritch because of being connected to the dungeon, which is connected to the abyss. little bit of a stretch compared to the others though, tbh
hollow shell
s'the only water-themed Plate even if it doesn't pertain directly to the Abyss
jovial spire
Dungeon connected to the abyss both lore was and litteraly on small worlds most of the time 
But yeah I originally had the idea of Cinderplate for Profaned, Elumplate for Dimensinal, Plagueplate for Godly, and i sorta made a bit of a stretch on Eldritch taking Navyplate, like i said.
sinful steeple
I think the ingredients make sense- maybe not in name but we're they're found
Chaosplate is a hell block, Providence is a hell(and hallow but no hallow bio lab henk) boss for example
tawny garden
I don't see how Navyplate is even connected to it
hollow shell
Scroll up
jovial spire
Alot more connected than Chaosplate
tawny garden
but like
navyplate is from sunken sea, not from the abyss
tawny garden
mb I'm literal-minded, but that's kinda eh
sinful steeple
Also I don't get what navyplate has to do with normality relocator, made with a space themed ingredient and cinderplate, which is found in space
jovial spire
🟦
hollow shell
And you can't use Elumplate cuz DoG is more connected to coldness
what with the fact that he still inflicts Frostburn
(also, Cosmic Discharge)
jovial spire
But yeah, tbh chaosplate would be mroe fitting for yharon, if anything
sinful steeple
Apart from being in hell yeah
jovial spire
He was litteraly born from the scortching lava of hell
hollow shell
Well he is the only one that Plagueplate can even vaguely connect to
tawny garden
replace navyplate in ESA with voidstone crap, and in NR with chaos crap
jovial spire
yeah
sinful steeple
I mean lore wise it makes sense but why would you go to hell for an acc themed around a jungle boss
jovial spire
There aint no Plague Soul Artifact
tawny garden
make it
sinful steeple
Yeah but what else was the jungle plate gonna be
jovial spire
So Plagueplate was really the only one that could fit
hollow shell
so
I feel like this designation works well
Dimensional - Elumplate
Profaned - Cinderplate
Eldritch - Navyplate
Godly - Plagueplate
NR - Chaosplate
jovial spire
yee
hollow shell
Everything's connected with like 1 degree of separation
except Profaned which is directly related
sinful steeple
Lore wise profaned makes sense but at the same time it throws NR under the bus
weak field
Why do we have so many plate variants at the first place
hollow shell
Labs
weak field
sinful steeple
As with everything else that isn't Yharim's fault it's Draedon's fault
jovial spire
And if it's not Draedon's fault? Blame Xeroc or Noxus
hollow shell
(mostly Xeroc)
jovial spire
(yeah xeroc sorta started this whole shitshow)
weak field
#BlameOverhaul
sinful steeple
Noxus takes like no blame for anything except the astral infection somehow
hollow shell
aight anyway do you think this would work better @lavish cloak ?
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/465195069406707722/747468854565011556
jovial spire
(not that he probally cares much)
hollow shell
ah right Noxus was kinda the Astral Infection
jovial spire
Indirectly yeah
neat wave
yoyo bag upgrade?
weak field
Plus that one yoyo bag buff mod already gave us bad memories
frail mantle
yoyo bag rebalance would mean rebalancing every single yoyo in the game obtainable after you craft the upgrade
cobalt pewter
So uh
pale glacier
or let them be op and give you 500 defence
cobalt pewter
Everything in HM and PML
whole sedge
rebalancing pretty much every yoyo in the game doesn't sound too fun
limber ocean
it probably isn't
hollow shell
@signal torrent What's your reason?
tawny garden
the sugg followed all standard rules so I didn't even bother to look at the "reason" and thought it was fine lol
yea, the description shouldn't just restate the title
signal torrent
Give me a sec
hollow shell
its these keen observation skills that brought me to where I am today
tawny garden
I mean...
you don't need a grant from the NSF to figure out that there's no reason
but I still didn't figure it out
signal torrent
Added on a reasoning to my suggestion
tawny garden
that's better
hollow shell
Yep that's good, thank you
tawny garden
signal torrent
I mainly bring up the whole world thing because my terraria tends to run out of memory due to Calamity.
The only other big mod I have installed is Mod of Redemption
hollow shell
m
I don't know if disabling the Music Mod will help or not, but it could
hollow shell
Yeah it's a shame to lose it
tawny garden
Rover, that's a clear #ad right there
calamity mod compat/balancing isn't great also
signal torrent
honestly, a good fix for this would be if Terraria devs or TModLoader devs allowed a way to allocate more RAM to Terraria like you can with Minecraft
tawny garden
it can't allocate more ram
signal torrent
fucking rip
tawny garden
tML 64-bit exists for that
but it's buggy af
tML 32 bit can only use up to 4 GB of RAM
signal torrent
ah
tawny garden
cause 2^32 bytes = 4,294,967,296 bytes = 4 GB
signal torrent
yeah
tawny garden
((tml 64 can have 18,446,744,073,709,551,616 bytes))
signal torrent
also wish that relogic would fix the nasty issue of keyboard inputs for other windows don't carry into Terraria when it's in the background
weak field
64 bit is like, a blackhole
weak field
Also mouse movement and clicks will do stuff in terraria even if it's not focused
hollow shell
hm
signal torrent
like acting like i'm holding down 1 in-game once it unpauses if i typed 1 in something like Notepad or Firefox
tawny garden
Also mouse movement and clicks will do stuff in terraria even if it's not focused
hm, didn't for me
my game usually completely froze
robust lava
Doesn't that happen in multiplayer?
robust lava
imagine if one person pausing did pause the game for everyone though...
tawny garden
Chaos Chaos Chaos
--
Draedon's lab turrets can see heat 
problem solved
It's like the original Deus Ex
weak field
Already told them that
robust lava
Inflict Glacial State on yourself then
gray island
doesnt change the fact they are stupid to deal with
gray island
wow so helpful
how are you supposed to dodge them when there are 3 spamming you constantly and you have to mine to get to them
hollow shell
This would be nice to have
hollow shell
I definitely found them an issue
atm you're basically just supposed to
throw bombs from a distance
weak field
So invisibility potion is actually useful
tawny garden
in deus ex you either get the Cloak augmentation that helps with organic enemies, but you're still visible to cameras and such, or you get the radar transparency aug that does the opposite
gray island
except they are resistant to bombs now
weak field
Because they're not useful for anything else
hollow shell
Right so yeah not even that
gray island
i think the reason not many people have said they've had problems is because they were able to use bombs
dry latch
I've played the recent updates where bombs don't work, and the counter scarf + healing potions are enough to break through them
gray island
on what difficulty?
dry latch
and I have like 280 hp (cuz I don't want death mode boss spawn)
weak field
If people didn't specify, they mean rev+
dry latch
am playing dad, so the occassional crit still does kill me lol
weak field
Yep
hollow shell
DAD with healing potions?- oh right Arma's only active during bosses . _.
cobalt pewter
kek
gray island
which one of the structures was it? one of the ones with at least 3 turrets?
dry latch
was wearing the sulpher set (forgot how that was spelled lol), so they did like 70+ dmg for a normal hit
so far I've been in the space, tundra and sunken sea labs
haven't found the jungle and hell labs yet (hell is a pain in the ass with 280 hp)
gray island
can you get to one of the turrets while not in range of the other ones?
because the small dome ones underground you cant
dry latch
hmmm... haven't found the small dome ones, but the tundra had 2 turrets and one of that circle radar laser thing
gray island
the same as the dome ones, except the dome ones are much smaller and the lasers are all next to each other
dry latch
that prolly makes it easier to dodge. most of my problem comes from the fact that the doors are closed, so I have to go in, open a door, get hit, get outside and heal. repeat until all doors are open, and a path to the turrets are clear
dry latch
after that I just dash through them, counter scarf for when I can't dodge, potions for when I can't dodge more
tawny garden
oh no
cobalt pewter
Get better pc
gray nebula
cobalt pewter
tawny garden
@noble turret just download more ram
gray nebula
and its not like theres a lot of animated items + im pretty sure that animated items arent the worst
if your pc cant handle that how do you even play agaisnt provi and her multiple full sheets of animation
noble turret
its not a problem on chests that dont have animated items
gray nebula
could precise that in your sugg
dry latch
I had a four player pt once. it only lagged during bosses lol. and I have 4gb ram laptop
gray nebula
and that souds more like a bug and the solution isnt to just remove animated items
noble turret
solution could be to remove the animation??
gray nebula
no
tawny garden
no
tawny garden
people worked on them for literally years
gray nebula
not really
dry latch
a config option?
gray nebula
i mean no just dont make anything that would disable item anims
instead look at what is causing the lag
sinful steeple
My computer has a GPU from 2011 iirc so like what on Earth is your GPU if that happens
Is it like actually a trash can inside your computer
gray nebula
becuase its not just the sprite anims, i never had any problems with them and why would small item sheets lag so much while bosses with their large sheets work fine
wispy heron
@noble turret just don’t use a potato
tawny garden
Is it like actually a trash can inside your computer
Apple Mac Pro
is a trash can
literally
dry latch
maybe there's a compat issue with another mod? think this is better for the bugs channel
gray nebula
yeha thats clearly a bug
and if we instantly resorted to removing anything thats bugged uh,, yeah
sinful steeple
I may or may not have made the mistake of getting a Mac computer with fossilised specs so you gotta be worse than a trash can
tawny garden
if you don't have bugs, you don't have features
robust lava
If you remove everything that's bugged, say goodbye to multiplayer
dry latch
no need to insult his set. it might be a bug and have nothing to do with specs
sinful steeple
I've even played multiplayer and still didn't have the issue
tawny garden
noble turret
@wispy heron literally everyone in my terraria playthrough group have good enough pcs to run most other games
and they experience
the same issue
gray nebula
what are the items in the chests
tawny garden
bug
weak field
tbf it's either bug or bad pc
Because none of us here except you have the issue
Animated item is never an issue even in minecraft modpacks
gray nebula
bug
dapper coral
this totally sounds like a bug
gray nebula
dapper coral
go report it in #bugs-read-pins
tawny garden
this is bug talk already ye
weak field
Big bug
white canyon
Can I suggest emotes?
frail mantle
yes
radiant meadow
We have some slots still so yes
narrow lintel
there should be Ancient Wulfrum Armor with all the helmet types, as I really liked the look of the old Wulfrum armor (specifically the Hood) It could drop from Wulfrum Rovers or Pylons (or any other Wulfrum enemy) occasionally
tawny garden
Ancient Wulfrum Rover
narrow lintel
Sure, something like that
tawny garden
still needs floppy drives to work
radiant meadow
For every 5 armor resprites, there will be at least 1 "ancient" request
dapper coral
For every armor resprite, there will be at least 3 ancient requests
narrow lintel
but like seriously i'm considering reverting to older versions of calamity just so i can use my fancy old wulfrum armor
ashen warren
I personally like the new change to Wulfrum
narrow lintel
I like it, it's cool, but in a different way to the old one
violet dagger
ancient every set that got a resprite
novel belfry
give devs vanity armors
ashen warren
It'd be best to let Calamity's Vanities do the ancient armor work
hollow idol
funny vanity mod owner here, can only add ancient sets given perms
hollow idol
Smh I dont know the spriter of every set in the mod
cobalt pewter
rip
cobalt pewter
I'd say reworking both sand elems to be summoned with a single acc
sinful steeple
To be fair rare sand elemental is like the most helpful elemental
sinful steeple
Seriously don't snooze on the healing
cobalt pewter
Nah, buff other elems
weak field
We don't need two tornado elemental
sinful steeple
Also rare elemental isn't very rare
weak field
Also yeah buff elementals could be a solution
Rn nobody use hote with visibility on in boss fights
Because the stats is just too good
ashen warren
I do 
weak field
For comparison, community post-dog stat is just on par with hote
cobalt pewter
Brimmy should be able to rotate between cocoon phase and combat phase, the cocoon one giving defense to the player and the combat one making her shoot hellblasts or smth
sinful steeple
Yes community is much worse but like that doesn't make HoTE good
cobalt pewter
And rework cloud in general, even as a miniboss
ashen warren
Brimmy should be able to rotate between cocoon phase and combat phase, the cocoon one giving defense to the player and the combat one making her shoot hellblasts or smth
@cobalt pewter I like that
sinful steeple
Yes rework Cloudy she's so boring
hollow shell
Imagine removing the one unique elemental
sinful steeple
Cloud Elemental is in every way Sand Elemental except Sand Elemental can only hover instead of straight up flying
weak field
And cloud elemental is actually wearing cloth/armor
sinful steeple
I'm not talking about sprite, talking about behaviour
ashen warren
Looks like it
steep crown
Which is why I offered the alternative of making it a different elemental. A jungle elemental or something. Right now it 1. feels weird to have two sand elementals and 2. take waaaay too fucking long to get it because of how rare it is
ashen warren
Cloud Elemental as an enemy also has a type of weapon when she attacks so that's potential
sinful steeple
It's not that rare
sinful steeple
5% from an uncommon sandstorm enemy
hollow shell
I would make that much more significant in your sugg, Forsaken
Instead of a throwaway sentence
sinful steeple
Only problem with having two Sand Elemental summons is it feels kinda strange
weak field
Spawn wyvern projectile is a good idea actually
cobalt pewter
@hollow shell a question: does that brimmy rework concept (albeit barebones) I thought of in like 5 minutes work to be made as a separate sugg?
robust lava
Just replace her with the Earth Elemental and ruin the dreams of all those people who only use HotE to fulfil their waifu fantasies /s
hollow shell
Sure you can sugg that
sinful steeple
I think attacking with lightning bolts makes more sense since when Cloud Elemental attacks she kinda swings a lightning bolt
cobalt pewter
pog
weak field
Well yeah
dry latch
earth elem is waifu too tho. cuz they're all female according to lore
sand umbra
why exactly do Cloud Elementals literally act like just Sand Elementals but floaty again
sand umbra
have I sugged that Cloud Elementals get reworked/expanded upon to be actual minibosses yet
or rather, has anyone else
in the past eon
dry latch
prolly wait until the windy day thing arrives
sinful steeple
Like how PBG used to spawn in the surface jungle in Death mode until just a few days ago despite the enrage being months old
dry latch
it'd fit there the best
ashen warren
I wouldn't be surprised since Anahita and Brimmy are the only elemental bosses
sinful steeple
I think Cloud Elemental makes more sense as a rain enemy than a windy day enemy
ashen warren
She could be a Monsoon enemy too
sinful steeple
I don't want to have to fight a bald Cloud Elemental
ashen warren
she attacks with thunderbolts after all
sinful steeple
Yeah that too
I was gonna say that but decided not to because 1.4 even though Windy Day is 1.4 so ???
sand umbra
when did this become about 1.4 
sinful steeple
I dunno
sand umbra
I just wanna make a sugg about Cloud Elementals being literally easier Sand Elementals, and how to make them like. actually interesting
e
ashen warren
Well Cloud gets a buff post Provi so there's potential 
sinful steeple
They're actually harder Sand Elementals(can fly, shoots faster iirc) but they're essentially a reskin
gray nebula
she gets buffed post provi???????????????????????
sand umbra
yes
dapper coral
since when lol
gray nebula
sand umbra
Cloud Elementals get a post-Provi buff
gray nebula
i just knew she had a new thunderstorm drop somewhere alogn the way
sand umbra
it's been a thing ever since [[Thunderstorm]] was introduced
red stormBOT
sand umbra
(might've been earlier but I know the buff exists so she can drop this wep)
sand umbra
all in favor? because I'd love to nuke that wep and the buff myself if I could
sturdy geyser
good idea
ashen warren
go for it
dapper coral
indeed
gray nebula
i mean at least kill the buff
cobalt pewter
kek
gray nebula
weapon can stay i guess???
sand umbra
does anyone even use the base item
cobalt pewter
Weapon could probably be a rare idk
ashen warren
i forgot the thunderstorm even existed
gray nebula
goes into the "wait this exist" category of calamity weapons
sand umbra
hot take:
Thunderstorm can be moved to be a base Cloud Ele drop
"but it's an RIV"
make it not one 
gray nebula
yeah but then its no longer a riv but actually does it matter
yehs
i mean i dont really get rivs fully anyways
sinful steeple
Why does Cloud Elemental even need the buff when it drops thunderstorm(I mean like, it's not like harpies are buffed when they start dropping essence of cinder other than the normal hardmode buff)
sand umbra
RIVs in general are a weird concept to me
cobalt pewter
I'll do cloudy tomorrow
gray nebula
yeabh apart from some with unique functionalities (mostly the accessories) and some weapons uh
i dont get the point of most of them existing apart from more grind
sand umbra
most RIVs are just
gray nebula
sand umbra
the same fucking weapon but better and sometimes slightly different
cobalt pewter
Are there RIVs that are worse than the original ver?
sand umbra
I think there are a couple
dapper coral
probably
sinful steeple
Curious about how the defence stance would work
sand umbra
I distinctly recall Reaper in particular having a damn rollercoaster and a half of viability
cobalt pewter
Hide of 1000% better than Astral Bulwark
sinful steeple
Also I thought friendly Brimmy shot at enemies, not dashed at them
Isn't that friendly Cloudy
cobalt pewter
@sinful steeple I don't wanna detail on the defensive stance trigger, as I'll leave that at enemies
Ah yes, it alternates between both
sinful steeple
No I mean as in
cobalt pewter
Brimstone shots and rams
sinful steeple
Why would you want defence stance over offence
What does it bring to the table that's worthwhile other than just being kinda bad
sinful steeple
I think laser/blast phase would be better in a summon than blast/cocoon phase
sand umbra
hot take: Rose Stone with vis off lets you hide in a cocoon similar to Brimmy's, releasing waves of brimstone darts in the process
cobalt pewter
dry latch
so a brimmy PSC?
sinful steeple
That's basically a completely different acc
sand umbra
I mean alternatively let it be Brimbo's expert drop
cobalt pewter
I'd personally replace the stat bonuses with that kinda unique effect
cobalt pewter
Gehenna is just VoE food yes
sinful steeple
That's true
sinful steeple
Demote gehenna
cobalt pewter
To be brimmy PSC
dry latch
PSC for all bosses when
sand umbra
pressing a button hides you in Brimbo-style cocoon for a short time
while in the cocoon, you greatly resist damage and release waves of brimstone darts, but cannot move or use items
cobalt pewter
sinful steeple
Although other than gehenna being incredibly underwhelming I can't think of any other reason this could have as a sugg
sand umbra
giving the item some relation to Brimbo herself, for one
cobalt pewter
I suspect it would reflect brimmy as a boss a lot closer, since expert drops are usually reminiscence of the bosses they drop from
Have you ever seen Brimmy raining stuff?
sinful steeple
Nope
sinful steeple
Why not both
cobalt pewter
You take cloudy, I'll take brimmy
I'm a big fan of brimmy after all
not a simp whatsoever
sand umbra
whatever you say, Feedza. whatever you say
tawny garden
"bootleg Nimbus Rod clouds"
ashen warren
I think the bootleg nimbus rod idea is clever
tawny garden
I'd like it if it's moving around
ember haven
what do you guys think about an option to remove death mode cave darkness?
sand umbra
won't happen
hollow shell
That's a Don't
You can't ask for certain Death Mode features to be toggleable
Now, you can make a suggestion to remove the darkness entirely and/or rework it or replace it with something else
but, no toggle
s'a part of Death Mode
ember haven
removing cave darkness, entirely then?
it doesnt add difficulty, it just makes exploring caves annoying and a chore to do
hollow shell
You can suggest that, yes
Make sure you back it up with as much reasoning as you can cuz you've gotta convince the devs that implemented it
cosmic musk
I really like the idea of making the mech summons with Draedon parts, but I feel like taking the souls out of the recipe would keep the convenience aspect that enchanted metal current has
keen drum
it's been 2 weeks and my sugg has not been approved or rejected yet
i live in limbo
of my fate
hollow shell
A sugg can get no strong opinion from the devs, yeah
haughty owl
Astra, I have an idea with your suggestion
Cave darkness probably won't be removed entirely but how about an accessory or buff that removes it instead
violet dagger
Maybe suggest to reduce the effect
distant gyro
4th death mode cavern nerf 
violet dagger
changelog reading time
hollow shell
Could suggest that the amount of possible lighting levels get reduced
Currently there's 5 (at which point it's completely nullified)
But you could ask for 4 to be the nullification amount and have the levels below get buffed
golden narwhal
Yes, rework cloud elemental gang
heady storm
mighty knot
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/699359022364491868/747330495066406983 has this been discussed?
frail mantle
eah
mighty knot
verdict?
ripe stream
Im gonna post a suggestion about advanced evil spread in death mode
any evil enemies which touch the ground make one block under them ebon/crim dirt sand ect, while in hardmode they make 5 blocks under them ebonstone/crimstone/pearlstone
dapper coral
that sounds...very specific and also very OP
ripe stream
op?
weak field
First, that's too laggy
dapper coral
as in, very difficult to contain and way too strong
ripe stream
as in difficult you mean?
sinful steeple
While I know that Death mode already does things that are totally unfun remember that Calamity Death mode is still a game
weak field
First, that's too laggy
ripe stream
alright ill make it fairer
weak field
Especially for farms
ripe stream
maybe a rare chance?
weak field
And then it's even more laggy
sinful steeple
I don't think that it'd work
sinful steeple
You gotta stop and think how this makes the game better, even if Death mode doesn't stop and think that
ripe stream
i mean it kind of makes sense
based on what the lore says, i can make guesses that evil enemies dont leave their biomes
so it would make sense if they could spread it along with them moving
sinful steeple
It makes sense but if recipes made sense in Calamity they'd suck
ripe stream
wdym
sleek turret
so, maybe today i will make a suggestion relative to Death Mode cave darkness
sleek turret
let me think about it.
weak field
And everything can't all be canon
It has to be fair over making sense
Just like respawn
sinful steeple
Also if we made things make sense boss refights would be impossible, among other things
tawny garden
who marked the quiver sugg as a bluecheck?
dapper coral
that would be me
sinful steeple
Doesn't like the sugg itself say it's been sugged a lot
tawny garden
you fool
the three previous suggs didn't go to devs
it's been sugged a lot, sure
but never delivered
tawny garden
remove all of the ☑️ reactions one by one
dapper coral
fixed
tawny garden
dapper coral
(although, i don't really appreciate being called a fool, even in jest)
tawny garden
(sorry)
dapper coral
heady storm
Oh yeah btw, do tell us whenever something would be a bluecheck since this stuff is automatically approved now.
tawny garden
I had a thought about this
in the same manner that the suggs are❗ed now, would it be a good idea for you to also be able to place bluechecks on suggs in posting an then have the bot carry the bluecheck over?
violet dagger
ye maybe
i doubt it would be possible to make the bot detect wording and get the amount of reactions to a sugg with similar wording and add it
tawny garden
it's easy to implement
m, no
forget whatever I just said
I still had my idea in my head for some reason while reading
you can't teach a bot to place bluechecks
it won't be reliable
violet dagger
ye 100%
it would end up adding a bluecheck to every sugg with the same word as another
in the same manner that the suggs are❗ed now, would it be a good idea for you to also be able to place bluechecks on suggs in posting an then have the bot carry the bluecheck over?
this might work tho
tawny garden
unless you spend literally years with deep learning
and that still won't be perfect
look at google translator
violet dagger
yeah it butchers things every time
tawny garden
it has definitely improved, so it doesn't translate "hydraulic ram" as "water sheep" anymore
violet dagger
wait what
tawny garden
but it's still pretty bad
dapper coral
in the same manner that the suggs are❗ed now, would it be a good idea for you to also be able to place bluechecks on suggs in posting an then have the bot carry the bluecheck over?
@hollow shell what are your thoughts on this? do you think this would be helpful/necessary?
tawny garden
I mean it's not be the first priority so pestering Amber about this isn't necessary
dapper coral
yea
mighty knot
tawny garden
"kill it quickly or it will kill you quickly" every boss has that trait now, even if only really slightly
[[Damage Reduction#Reactive Damage Reduction]]
hollow shell
Wait doesn't this feature act against that concept?
tawny garden
wdym?
hollow shell
Cuz this prevents you from killing it too quickly
tawny garden
ahh
I had it backwards
hollow shell
Yeah it's not gonna make it even harder for you to deal damage if you're not dealing enough damage
tawny garden
m
distant gyro
@unreal viper don't forget that this is a dedicated set
unreal viper
Frick nuggets.
distant gyro
also technically the dash spawns bees
hollow shell
There's two Weavils in this server but I don't know if they're the right ones
distant gyro
because of other, the "you spawn bees while sprinting" bonus
unreal viper
You'd get that from any dash using the armor tho.
None of them seem to have patreon role.
distant gyro
the patreon role is only there if you persistently donate
hollow shell
(Which is inconvenient)
hollow shell
(I'd like if there was a persistent "donated ever" role for identification purposes)
tawny garden
darn, sugg time
implement a retired patreon donator role
violet dagger
or maybe a patreon item role
heady storm
No.
tawny garden
no, that'd be kinda strange
violet dagger
ye it sounds weird
heady storm
Terry is known for being the main programmer of eternity mode.
tawny garden
how did this go through? https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/747599614739480607
it's a grand-scale rework
hollow shell
What
tawny garden
(at least it seems to me as one, cause you'd have to record a second version for each song)
hollow shell
What
There's only 2 songs with lyrics
one of which already has a released instrumental
and xb only mentioned that one
(the other is Stained Brutal Calamity but I guess he forgot considering it's mostly choir)
tawny garden
(it's easy to forget that that has lyrics, but iirc xbxbxb123 was pinged and asked to include that in his sugg, and they didn't)
having instrumentals for only 2 songs will be inconsistent as hell
hollow shell
What are you on about
What do you think an instrumental of a song that doesn't have lyrics would sound like
tawny garden
I'm stupid, aren't I
hollow shell
sand umbra
yeah there are only 2 songs with lyrics at all and Dokuro literally has a Jungle Dragon instrumental on his SoundCloud
and honestly SBC wouldn't sound too much different for most of the song if you replaced the lyrics with either actual instruments or nothing
tawny garden
although me commiting a isn't news
tawny garden
ye, SBC is already close enough I guess
sand umbra
RotJD's lyrics are the main focus but SBC moreso has them as part of the backing
hollow shell
And SBC only has Dokuro himself singing during one section of 1/4 of the song
tawny garden
I didn't even realize that those are words when i first heard the song
hollow shell
Yeah the choir doesn't annunciate very well
which is fine cuz it's just supposed to sound cool
dapper coral
in Lament
hollow shell
At the end of Part 2 yeah, Lament.
dapper coral
i think that's the bit
sand umbra
Lament has the only "real" lyrics, yeah
hollow shell
Have I ever told anyone I did a project on Stained Brutal Calamity in my college music course?
I know that song inside and out
dapper coral
ngl that sounds really epic and i want to know more
hollow shell
too bad it has my real name on it so I can't show
tawny garden
blur it out
or bleep
actually no, that would sound like swearing
I would say that this is offtopic, but all current suggs are good so offtopic is kinda imminent
they're a lot better than they were before sugg_posting happened
sand umbra
offtopic is indeed inevitable when there isn't much that needs be discussed
especially in the channel that was already and still is the reigning king of rapidly-derailing conversations
tawny garden
to derail the conversation even further, but in a way that it's still partially on rails
this sugg has been implemented for about 4 months
hollow shell
puh
guess we forgot
sand umbra
tawny garden
so, for some bizarre reason discord thinks that https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/431139875853565965 is the most relevant message in #suggestions-voting
hollow shell
I wonder how that algorithm works
It just
starts on April 4th 2018 and lists random messages sent after that
violet dagger
hollow shell
aight let's not
violet dagger
alright
tawny garden
so, I searched for all messages on this server, and it picked https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/316285389310525441/431128465224237066 ???
why
hollow shell
That's a problem
violet dagger
bruv i cant even see it since its in wiki basic
jaunty ice
hey any mods here?
unreal viper
Moderators?
jaunty ice
yes
unreal viper
Why?
jaunty ice
my suggestion got deleted from both #suggestions-posting and #suggestions-voting, even though it was in there for multiple days and achieved ~210 stars last I checked it
I received no info on this from anyone on the mod team, it's just gone
proof can be found from my posts in this chat on 8/14 when I asked for chat feedback to ensure it was compliant in the rules
hollow shell
Would it be this one by any chance
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/744254178079277076
jaunty ice
the fuck...is my discord bugged out?
heady storm
Maybe.
jaunty ice
yes, that's it...my bad ._.
violet dagger
what did u search for it
hollow shell
Those mentions aren't real mentions, if that's how you tried looking for it
jaunty ice
ahhhh ok
hollow shell
Copy your own user ID by right-clicking yourself (if you have Developer Mode enabled), and then just search for that plainly
jaunty ice
that explains it, thank you
hollow shell
jaunty ice
cool that does work, user error confirmed
hollow shell
👍
hollow shell
Aight cool we compiled a list of all dedicatees with their User IDs
so
it's gonna be a lot easier for us to track down and get permission from people when suggs are made about their items
(for the sake of privacy this list won't be posted publicly)
tawny garden
\o/
dapper coral
yep, just ping a mod or rover if you have a suggestion in mind regarding a dedicatee item
tawny garden
that could be mentioned in the datasheet
er... sorry, the don'ts doc
how did I fucking call the doc a datasheet
hollow shell
m the rework proposal is a bit specific
but, I guess it's not the focus of the sugg
tawny garden
it could be there just as an example
cobalt pewter
@hollow shell yeah, the main point is the header, as long as the rework is made to reflect brimmy more, I'm fine with anything
That thing I added in the last paragraph is just a fun concept tom conceived
radiant meadow
It gets buffed and people still want it toggled off 
cobalt pewter
Maybe ppl don't know that amalgam's clump no longer gives iframes?
I'd say it should be added into the desc
But I'm down for visually reworking the Clump with Amalgam
violet dagger
all I want is a visibility toggle for shadow potion and blunder booster
cobalt pewter
People can be easily discouraged by Amalgam simply because the clump you've seen was shown first time after you killed crabulon
Which makes sense that people think it would be garbage in the first sight
radiant meadow
Fungal Clump didn't steal i frames since like over 2 years ago.
radiant meadow
it's also faster
cobalt pewter
Ahh
radiant meadow
amalgam clump is way faster than fungal clump (clump)
cobalt pewter
Hmm
radiant meadow
because the phm version was super slow and most definitely couldn't keep up with yharon
cobalt pewter
True that
Now idk what to do with Amalgam
Tbh visually reworking the clump for the case of Amalgam would be alright still, since it gives the initial sense that "this mf is upgraded visually and is stronger to back the looks"
Would love to suggest that, but I'll need to slow down my sugg output
radiant meadow
visual rework has been sugged before faik
crude geode
^
cobalt pewter
Ah that's cool den
radiant meadow
but it's not a high priority type thing
cobalt pewter
Ah yes, I get that
Speaking of last sugg, I never bothered using any of the Heart materials tbh
Idk why
Even when combined, I don't really bother
crude geode
Heart Materials are actually pretty pog pre-hm