Haha Elemental Disk go br-wait it's nerfed
#suggestions-discussion
crude geode
I would probably add the fact that Aether’s Whisper exists to this suggestion tbfh, which shows that Calamity supports variants besides Melee/Rogue blurghs.
heady storm
@sand umbra what Cursed said, I’m not gonna exclaim your sugg since this is just something you can add though.
cobalt pewter
But yeah, Aether's Whisper is the only weapon that has active class switching as far as I remember
sinful steeple
Ark of the elements is a post-ML weapon and gungir is a post-mech weapon
There's not much debate which is better
cobalt pewter
Ark of the Ancients, I assume what they meant
sinful steeple
If the hallowed bar weapons are bad the simple solution is just to buff them
cobalt pewter
@long bone maybe you meant Ark of the Ancients?
long bone
Yes
cobalt pewter
Might wanna edit the sugg then
sinful steeple
Instead of tacking on a this weapon is good*
*(this weapon is unusable unless you use an outclassed armour set)
long bone
Confusing sword names are confusing
Also ,good point mac
But calamity already buffed gungir
I dont think it's meant for bosses
Maybe that's why its pathetic
sinful steeple
Yeah but just giving it better stats doesn't solve the issue of it just being a short spear that does nothing apart from inflicting damage
long bone
Make it a long spear
Like really long
sinful steeple
That'd probably make it need a new weapon sprite
long bone
Props to whoever can pull that off
cobalt pewter
Or
Why not treat Gungir and Dark Lance similarly to Excalibur and Night's Edge?
Giving them a "true" upgrade and making them part of Terra Lance
sinful steeple
Make it a useless ingredient weapon?
cobalt pewter
sinful steeple
Am I wrong
sinful steeple
No I don't mean the upgrade but the weapon itself
cobalt pewter
Oh ye
sinful steeple
While it's not necessarily a bad idea it doesn't stop gungir from being baggage just like excalibur
dry latch
you can have it so that they shoot holy bolts or heal the player if you use them with hallow armor or something
dapper coral
@long bone you need to separate out the reasoning and title of your sugg with a shift+enter
ashen warren
thank you Amber
@dapper coral I was asleep and didn’t do anything lol
ashen warren
Ye, I have scripts in place to resolve some things when there’s issues, doesn’t always work but it did this time 
dapper coral
Nice, good to know
little coral
anyone on?
long bone
Ye
mental perch
lmao love how I got 14 stars
untold cargo
What is this
cobalt pewter
wha
gray nebula
tawny garden
@leaden raft no meme suggs
faint needle
This hurts my brain honestly
twilit hornet
fabboss pog
tawny garden
zenith hazel
@leaden raft ^ don't post meme suggestions, read the suggestion don'ts doc in the pins before you post
civic gust
faint needle
don'ts
sand umbra
added a point about Aether's Whisper to my variants sugg
radiant meadow
o
violet dagger
(let rogue variants have stealth strikes, god damnit, if they won't then what's the point).
yes plz
fringe sky
sorry for some wording, ran out of discord message space
cobalt pewter
Might be best to compile them into a doc
tawny garden
problem is that it's intentionally balanced around rev
fringe sky
yeah and rev is generally fine
robust lava
Also, DS buff is still a nono I think?
tawny garden
nope
fringe sky
buffing DS for specifically death mode i think is fine
robust lava
I deserved that
cobalt pewter
Rev and death buffs to DS is aight iirc
hollow shell
This suggestion is a 
fringe sky
these are from my personal experiences at least
cobalt pewter
Just
Take it slow
Either
Post one boss balance suggestion one per boss per day
Or
Compile everything into a doc
And just put general ideas of the sugg on here
fringe sky
doc wise I don't think people would read it in voting then
hollow shell
Nah doc isn't necessary I think
radiant meadow
did you fight polterghast in the new update?
fringe sky
and I made it one post because it's all themed specifically around death mode
radiant meadow
polter was nerfed
hollow shell
I do think posting individual suggestions for each would be better, albeit time consuming
fringe sky
yeah I saw that in terms of enrage but unless I'm mistaken then what was nerfed didn't really impact me
i was able to beat every boss in death mode except for polterghast and devourer for reference (had to go to rev for both)
radiant meadow
it makes polter less aggressive in more spacious arenas
which you mentioned spacious arenas
fringe sky
i thought the only change was tile enrage?
radiant meadow
don't make suggestions based on outdated experiences
tile enrage = angrier in more spacious arenas
fringe sky
unless that means in terms of large arena and not like "in a dungeon" requirement
ah i misinterpreted that then
I thought it was specifically in terms of it being within a dungeon biome
radiant meadow
polter doesn't require you be in the dungeon biome anymore beyond summoning, as long as you stay underground
fringe sky
yeah, got confused by the patch note
by any chance does tile enrage include the clone or just the main boss?
radiant meadow
probably both? I forget exactly
fringe sky
lemme go try the boss out with my older pre-polt gear then and come back to it
wow that is noticeably better damn
thanks so much for that it's actually reasonable now
i'll remove it from the suggestion but yeah that's so much better
alright edited
woeful lantern
so about piano's suggestion:
Desert Scourge imo should have some more piercing resistance, especially towards summons like slime staff and stormlion staff due to how fast they shred the worm, making the boss pretty easy, maybe make it more aggressive would be a good change but maybe after both of the servant worms are dead.
Eater of worlds is way harder than brain, he does a ton of dmg with his cursed flame and vile spit, should be nerfed a bit.
PBG is a good challenge imo, doesnt need change
Cultist and moonlord do need buffs, cultist is a bit fragile imo and moonlord doesnt change at all except for hand and head eyes attack at all times. DM moonlord is a joke.
DoG in death mode is fine imo but maybe hitbox could be decreased slightly to better match the head
fringe sky
for DoG in particular, having the hitbox fit the actual head itself is important when it comes to precision dodging. If you thought you'd be fine from the head's instant kill, only to find the hitbox to be larger, you'd feel like you didn't prepare it right which doesn't feel good for the player
hopefully the initial suggestions that came to mind are reasonable, but other ideas could work too
ashen warren
would this be a good idea: make crimtane/blood samples and demonite/shadow scales interchangeable by crafting. An example is 1 crimtane bar can be crafted to 1 demonite bar and vice versa
hollow shell
You should suggest that if you give it a good reason
Prolly won't get much support though
dapper coral
i mean, there are a bunch of mods out there that do this exact thing
imksushi comes to mind
unique reef
yeah
but, there are benefits to doing so
if you have a Corruption world, you can switch to the (arguably better) Crimson Armor
the Scab Ripper is overall better than the (not broken) Vial feeder against groups
robust lava
Although not the most efficient method, you can always create an artificial other evil biome using the Evil Island (I dislike doing this tbf)
sand umbra
Calamity already does plenty to facilitate having everything in one world
(hell, I'd argue it does too much to facilitate such a thing in its current state)
there are other mods dedicated to this sort of """""QoL""""" and I don't think it'd be a good move for Calamity to do that as well
hearty yew
@sand umbra
I recommend you fact check yourself by reading your decompiled source code.
it does 5% more damage multiplied with all other boosts (meaning +5% on hit, so all damage boosts are 5% more effective) and that 5% of damage is stored and added as flat damage after defense and DR are applied. It adds 5% of pre mitigation damage guaranteed (which is hilariously powerful on scal specifically because 75% DR)
hearty yew
I can't and won't tell you to remove your suggestion but it does do what I said and it's quite powerful
Wait you don't have a decompiled calamity sitting around??
sand umbra
haven't we been over this already?
it's a DLL I had sitting around of a p. old Cal version (obtained using a bug with tML which no longer even works thanks to 1.4)
at this point I can probably get rid of it entirely since I don't really do a lot of Cal-related stuff anymore
I never touched the thing with ILSpy, only ever used it as a reference
hearty yew
I forget everything, so the answer is probably yes.
In any case.
It does what I said it does. I guess to be fair that's completely opaque to the player.
sand umbra
that said
if it's applied after defense as well, it may be beneficial to. make that more clear
distant gyro
huh
sand umbra
because currently it only says that it bypasses DR --- there's nothing about defense
distant gyro
enemies will take 5% more damage sounds pretty clear
radiant meadow
I can specify defense then
distant gyro
what needs a buff is that it's hella overpriced though
radiant meadow
"This extra damage bypasses enemy damage reduction and defense```is this good enough?
sand umbra
seems good
also Alt that's all of the candles
some of them are worth that price but fuck trying to get a large number of them for e.g. an arena
hearty yew
ok cool
hearty yew
Remember I just want to make sure you're aware of how something works when making a suggestion about it. The real value here is that now players know the true power of yellow candle
arctic notch
I agree that Calamity does too much to make everything in one world. What's the point of the decision of which world evil you get if you can circumvent it anyway?
It should matter. It was put in the game for a reason.
mental perch
62 votes? What's the boundary line
robust lava
robust lava
I mean, the idea is to read all that stuff before you submit a suggestion, so you know what to expect
mental perch
I presume you can't vote on your own? Not that it would even matter with such a high requirement
robust lava
You can
dapper coral
you can absolutely vote on your own
radiant meadow
you can if you want
tawny garden
you can
radiant meadow
it's not like we can stop people from reacting
at least, not with an inordinate amount of unnecessary work
mental perch
Well, there are bots that can do that
tawny garden
ehh
earnest vine
that would be very useless
radiant meadow
ye, but then people would probably get confused why they can't react
dapper coral
something tells me that making a bot is way more effort than just letting people vote on their own lol
mental perch
Just... yeah it's unnecessary work
unique reef
you can react to your own post?
tawny garden
it's your sugg anyway
mental perch
I feel like I'm not gonna have a problem because surely more than 1/100 people like their mods to be lighter. So really it's just going to be a matter of time.
unique reef
it's only barely past the halfway mark 
mental perch
Sssh
I don't know that dont tell me that
It's not even past the halfway mark
it's like
1/4th of the way there
unique reef
not yours
mental perch
Oh
Why are people making suggestions and then leaving
It makes the bot look stupid
unique reef
dunno
tawny garden
(how?)
tawny garden
m
mental perch
that would be really bad if i actually pinged someone
But the point is people are leaving and it causes the pings to just be user ID's
tawny garden
I don't think that person left
robust lava
That's not the case
tawny garden
it's a standard issue discord problem
mental perch
o
frail mantle
yea sometimes pinging a person's id just makes discord shit itself and just display the id and not the actual name of the person
tawny garden
it tries to ping the person, but can't find them in time before the embed is posted, so it just gives up and pastes that mention in plain text
mental perch
lazy discord~
olive token
As a high end 4k setup user, Ive been wanting adrenaline and rage bar size scaling for a long time now.
olive token
oh yeah thanks forgot about that one, i just use a mod that does have a scaling health bar becasue of that
mental perch
YABHB?
mental perch
idc
it works
so whatever
lol
And it correctly tells the difference between a miniboss and a boss for Armageddon
i probably completely butchered the spelling sorry
olive token
i see a lot of sugs that want optimization for the lower end like better ram usage but that takes so much time, i just want my bars to be twice as big
mental perch
tbh making the bar scale pixel for pixel would probably increase performance
bc if computers hate anything, it's displaying things sub-pixel.
Or for that matter, trying to.
The effect would probably be unnoticeable tho.
These days such trivial shit doesn't matter anymore
tawny garden
btw, iirc devs already know about the bars not scaling, they just don't wanna work on ui
mental perch
Can relate.
tawny garden
UI is a pain in the ass
olive token
they i took a short break and came back to a better config , but i look in it for like 5 min to find no size scales still
mental perch
Better config is ez
Bc all they do is use some markup language that tmod parses into something terraria understands that renders on the screen
tawny garden
that's why there are no armageddon/death/defiled/etc. icons
nobody wants to deal with UI
olive token
my stealth bar should at least be larger then an inventory slot tho
mental perch
eh
What if I'm not a rogue
ALSO WHY IS STEALTH ONLY IN REVGENCE
Like
Are rogues not stealthy in normal mode?
just weird tbh
tawny garden
hm?
frail mantle
stealth isn't rev only
tawny garden
[[Stealth]]
red stormBOT
mental perch
Huh. I have never seen the bar. Must check config.
radiant meadow
stealth bar only appears if the config is on and you have more than 0 max stealth
mental perch
Oh, that explains it
radiant meadow
if you have no stealth, then the bar won't show up
mental perch
make a suggestion that we have diablo-style rage and adrenaline bars
replace the whole health / mana UI with something like diablo lol
tawny garden
no
@olive token you have some spelling errors
it should be "etc." instead of "ect.", "too" instead of "to"
mental perch
Which suggestion?
olive token
errors fixed
olive token
@hollow shell make window narrower to make the reasoning look bigger
tawny garden
olive token
life hacc
tawny garden
10/10
— IGN
dapper coral
haven't written a suggestion in a bit, thoughts?
dapper coral
wait
radiant meadow
?????
hollow shell
@dapper coral Did you seriously forget about the 3 relics
dapper coral
what relics
hollow shell
gray nebula
bruh
dapper coral
oh my
mental perch
Oh there are 3
radiant meadow
relic of deliverance, resilience, and convergeance
mental perch
Oh yeah there are 3
radiant meadow
that's literally why those things were added
dapper coral
you saw nothing
gray nebula
thats an actual moment right there
mental perch
One is just a very very fast throwey thingy
radiant meadow
#delete-notifications will savor this moment.
violet dagger
dapper coral
that is very embarrassing
tawny garden
Demik didn't look on the wiki before semi-stealing my idea which I wrote in a wiki channel
dapper coral
they're not in the main loottable so i assumed they didn't exist
tawny garden
dapper coral
ssssssh philo
violet dagger
demik commits a
dapper coral
time to distance myself from sugg channels for a bit so no one remembers this
dapper coral
sssssshhhhhhhh
heady storm
:feelschungus: Demik.
hollow shell
Aight we've laid into him enough
zenith hazel
also wrote a whole freaking paragraph to be deleted in 5 seconds
yea but that’s everyone
dapper coral
nah it's all good lol
tawny garden
lol
I actually spend like 50x less time playing the game then writing the wiki
heady storm
I play the game to update stuff.
dapper coral
i haven't played the game properly in a long time, only for nohits
and i didn't get any relics when i did the nohit so i didn't know they existed
heady storm
Relics banned anyway.
tawny garden
that's alright
sleek turret
suggestion bot went dead?
untold cargo
what is this
violet dagger
bruh whats this sugg
untold cargo
u need reasons
dapper coral
@wraith fable reasoning please
sleek turret
bad formating too.
dapper coral
philo
hollow shell
smh Philo do not bruh in that channel
gray nebula
moderators moderators
heady storm
Philo what.
sand umbra
pro tip, actually play the game before making a suggestion about it
:)
or be me and study the balance of the mod back to front for--
...wait a minute. I don't need to do that anymore
tawny garden
(I know that)
zenith hazel
deus just got nerfed this update so like
wooden wedge
good, then don't do it again
violet dagger
alright sugg channel is fine again after 3 :omegafailure:
tawny garden
they ding dong ditched
heady storm
violet dagger
wait there was a boss sugg
faint needle
Yes
violet dagger
i keep missing the good stuff
faint needle
Fabsol boss
violet dagger
damn doggo taking up all day for me to fight
earnest vine
well theres a lot of people in the server so makes sense at least a small amount of them dont read the pins
tawny garden
it is by no means a small amount
earnest vine
well there isnt much you can do to stop people not reading them so we're just gonna have to deal with them ig
tawny garden
become a discord dev and implement a popup message feature
loud cloak
Nerf astrum deus
@wraith fable
you need to provide a reason for yor suggestion
golden narwhal
They ditched
earnest vine
@tawny garden yeah was thinking that discord should add a thing that doesnt let you send messages and shows you channel description pop up or something
tawny garden
or a thing which takes up the whole screen and you need to study all pins closely to be able to post stuff
loud cloak
can someone please answer my questio in #wiki-basic
tawny garden
you'll have to look at it for a minute
earnest vine
there's a forum
violet dagger
alright that will get us somehwere
hollow shell
I'll just delete his sugg for now and he can repost it when he returns
tawny garden
it's 3 words anyway
hollow shell
Yeah
golden narwhal
Is Piano's first point a no, since DS buff
frail mantle
iirc you can sugg DS/KS buffs specifically in rev and death cause they're meant to be hard modes
robust lava
I made the same mistake....
tawny garden
the KS/DS don't only applies to normal/expert
golden narwhal
Ah, guess I missed that
golden narwhal
@fringe sky seperate the rav parts from pbg, since they're unnecessary for that section
(Also might want to acknowledge there are ways to increase the gaps between missiles or dodge it outright)
fringe sky
wdym by acknowledge?
tawny garden
include in the sugg
golden narwhal
Mention it in some way
fringe sky
i mean i did mention spread unless you mean how it's spread
golden narwhal
I mean you can move further away from them to heighten the gaps, or go under/above the nukes altogether
fringe sky
right but the suggestion is to make the initial spread a small bit wider
golden narwhal
Ok, uh, then just the first point of ping
seperate the rav parts from pbg
fringe sky
hard to do as i'm at about the max discord post limit
golden narwhal
Remove it then (unless you want to keep it, then guess we trimming)
fringe sky
i'll remove the bottom part
arctic notch
Do vanity sets for Calamity's NPCS exist?
radiant meadow
no
arctic notch
Huh.
radiant meadow
nothing beyond boss masks
dapper coral
wasn't that suggested recently?
arctic notch
Haven't seen one.
radiant meadow
the only vanity gear Cal adds are boss masks, ace's apron of affection, and ancient god slayer afaik
it was suggested a few days ago, yes
hollow shell
tawny garden
hollow shell
mmyes
arctic notch
Isn't that about bosses? I meant Town NPCS.
cobalt pewter
wouldnt mind having Permafrost's "icicle" ingame, I wonder why these town npcs like it so much
fiery rapids
damn, you got the whole server laughing
radiant meadow
Given that I can barely understand how framing mounts work, I don't see that happening
iron night
well i mean animating mounts
like for whenever it moves
every difference in a sprite would be a frame so if it had a bunch it could look more animated and lively
radiant meadow
clearly you have never seen mount code
iron night
also without particle effects its kinda weird when you midair jump imo
no i have not
https://github.com/PhoenixBladez/SpiritMod/blob/master/Mounts/DiabolicPlatform.cs ok i found one in spirit mod , obviously the mount is differet but i dont see whats so har about animating the sprite a bit more or adding particle effects
radiant meadow
animating it more means changing the framing
hollow shell
So Ben now that configs are out of the question
We wanna go through with Cement Shoes?
radiant meadow
if someone sprites them, I'll consider it. although that won't help with other things that would be better off being togglable or something
disabling all dashes isn't that difficult
tawny garden
Invisible Dye mod...
dapper coral
those should all be separate suggestions @lavish matrix
hollow shell
Yes those should all be separate messages
lavish matrix
sorry ill change
violet dagger
:sadcat:
lavish matrix
should I just delete all but one?
hollow shell
yeah gonna have to spread em out a bit as a result
dapper coral
hold onto them
lavish matrix
alright
dapper coral
just post them with an interval in between
hollow shell
Yeah just reduce it to one for now, save the rest for later
dapper coral
(and actually, don't post all of them today either)
lavish matrix
ok
viscid dagger
So I've been thinking of a small QoL change. What if the Endogenisis had something that showed what attack mode its on. My reason for this is that the different attack modes work well for different things, and if you're in the heat of battle, you don't really want to take your mind off of fighting the boss to resummon the staff and see what attacks its using to identify what mode its on. Thoughts?
dapper coral
it's been suggested many times
dapper coral
yeah, the last one was 7/18
dapper coral
mmm i always forget if that means you can post the idea again
okay
i think it means
viscid dagger
Well I didn't know so sorry
radiant meadow
you can still post it
viscid dagger
Eh if it was already blue checked I'd feel like a dick reposting someone else's idea
Thanks tho guys
hollow shell
You can repost any idea you'd like even if it's bluechecked
As long as it's not within like
2 or 3 days of the previous suggestion
dapper coral
wait, so then what's the cutoff date for?
just whether to mark it as a bluecheck or not?
hollow shell
Yes
vivid frigate
Fuel cell extractanator speed is too slow, wouldn’t you guys agree?
tawny garden
btw, if there was a sugg that's now beyond the cutoff point, and there's a bluecheck of it still after the cutoff (so after March 1st), and there's a new near-identical sugg, the new one won't be a bluecheck, cause bluechecks aren't delivered
hollow shell
This is true
radiant meadow
it just got sped up a bit
hollow shell
And ye about 154 people agree with you Sero
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/741888596738572299
radiant meadow
did you check in the latest update @vivid frigate
distant gyro
buff
tawny garden
cobalt pewter
I wanna pepper my screen with electric fields
cobalt pewter
How do you even easily count which is inorganic and which is not ingame
distant gyro
hit sound
cobalt pewter
Ahhhh
radiant meadow
the pulse dragon change was supposed to be in the initial release
radiant meadow
it just got missed, so it's technically the first change of the hotfix ig
radiant meadow
only in phase 1
cobalt pewter
Ah
radiant meadow
2 is one of them
hollow shell
Necroplasm is inorganic
vivid frigate
Crap i did not ill check it now thanks for telling me
tawny garden
uhh
radiant meadow
@full cipher what's a booster?
hollow shell
???
violet dagger
wot
tawny garden
also needs a reason
hollow shell
You need to add a reason to your suggestion
(and make sure it's on a separate line, Shift+Enter)
violet dagger
think they ditched
hollow shell
Well the message is gone
dapper coral
oop, it's gone
violet dagger
they deleted it
plush pilot
How can I see how many ⭐ are at my post on #suggestions-voting ?
fossil finch
-Go to where your suggestion is
-See the reactions number
plush pilot
I cant find it tho ;-; it's too far up
hollow shell
plush pilot
Thanks!
dapper coral
you can use ctrl+f in #suggestions-voting and then search for the topic of your sugg
for future reference
plush pilot
Ok
tawny garden
you can also search for your user id in that channel
arctic notch
Change Providence's Hit Sound, lower it's volume, or make it less frequent.
Why? Because hearing a high pitched noise so frequently and so loudly even at low volume gives me and likely several other people migraines.
Any feedback?
heady storm
An expansion on your reasoning if possible would be nice.
arctic notch
How could i expand it? That seems like enough reason for a sound change.
heady storm
You could, perhaps, also add refights as being annoying for said reason too.
Since 1 provi kill is rarely enough to get a full set of tarragon.
heady storm
Oh and the specific requirement fights for certain drops add onto it.
arctic notch
What connection does this have to my sugg?
heady storm
Well yeah that's what I'm trying to say: You shouldn't have to refight the same boss and not have fun each time simply because the boss' hit sound is annoying.
arctic notch
It's not refights. It's all fights of this boss because of the all too common sound.
heady storm
Well, as I said, you have to refight her in different conditions depending on what drops you want.
arctic notch
So?
heady storm
You shouldn't have to refight the same boss and not have fun each time simply because the boss' hit sound is annoying.
heady storm
It contributes to your reasoning, does it not?
heady storm
Tell me firm and clear why it doesn't, please.
arctic notch
What do refights have to do with a sound that's present on the first fight?
heady storm
Have you fought Providence in every different condition for each drop?
arctic notch
Yes.
heady storm
You're gonna hear said sound again each time you fight her.
arctic notch
So what?
heady storm
So logically, wouldn't that contribute to your migraines?
arctic notch
I'm talking about the sound in genertal.
Change Providence's Hit Sound, lower it's volume, or make it less frequent.
Why? Because hearing a high pitched noise so frequently and so loudly even at low volume gives me and likely several other people migraines.
Reread this. Please.
heady storm
I already did, and I'm pretty sure I get it.
I'm not sure if you get the point I'm trying to make though.
arctic notch
I do. But it has no correlation to the sugg. The migraines happen in the first fight. Sure, more fights worsen it, but that's not the point.
heady storm
more fights worsen it
This, it's just reasoning, not an actual change to propose.
arctic notch
The point is, the sound should be altered due to migraines occuring.
heady storm
I'm trying to say you can use this to contribute to your sugg.
arctic notch
Sure, more fights worsen it, but that's not the point.
heady storm
You don't have to change the title or anything at all.
arctic notch
I couldn't. It wouldn't help the case.
heady storm
That's not the point you're trying to make yes, but it'll support your arguement anyway.
arctic notch
I'll add it just to end this.
hollow shell
(Its not often I see someone so resistant to somebody tryin to support their sugg) . _.
hollow shell
I'm saying you should be less aggressive in general
It was more understandable when we were against your Everglade sugg, but like, Chetto was tryin to help
arctic notch
As I said, misinterpreted what they meant.
@heady storm Sorry for that, I didn't realize what you meant.
heady storm
Yougud.
ashen warren
@mighty knot
Arma non consumables is easily cheesed
Multiplayer can easily ruin that
Along with bosses that drop items during the fight, like EoC and BoC
fossil finch
EoC doesn't drop anything during the fight
I guess you mean EoW
And, why multiplayer breaks it?
mighty knot
bit late for a change
wooden lance
i really dont like crafty's second suggestion because one of the blades is all but objectively better than the other
first one i dont care about
partly because they both suck
violet dagger
speaking of sound is the doggo guardian summoning sound gonna be lowered
it sounds more like a sound glitch rn
wooden lance
ashen warren
@fossil finch yes
and multi because just like normal arma, people can just swap the aggro by dying
except now theres no cooldown to the attempts
heady storm
@untold crater That's specifically a don't yeah.
tawny garden
Re-Logic said no
heady storm
Read the document in the pins of this channel for a list of stuff not to suggest please.
cobalt pewter
What was the sugg?
heady storm
Adding Cal soundtrack to spotify.
cobalt pewter
Ah
Eh, bandcamp is good enough, hell dokuro even gives it away
And you can get infinitely better quality, and you can play them offline
idk, never been big on Spotify
tawny garden
((am I missing out? been listening to stuff on youtube lol))
cobalt pewter
@tawny garden look for dokuro's album showcase named "Tale of a Cruel World"
It includes most of Calamity soundtracks he made
tawny garden
Yea, I listened to it
cobalt pewter
Yeah, that vid has the link to free bandcamp download in desc
But yeah, ppl apparently use Spotify a lot, if that's what you meant
I also use YT quite a lot, since Spotify isn't too much worth it for me
ripe stream
i love it when people go "fIX tHe M0d It TakES s0 MucH mEM0ry"
heady storm
Does that have to do with any of the suggestions currently in #suggestions-posting?
tawny garden
(it's in #suggestions-voting currently)
sinful steeple
Polt is apparently intended post-Sentinels, actually
Well 'intended' because non linearity memes
cobalt pewter
Lemme check boss progression again
heady storm
Polter is post-sentinels yes.
heady storm
Honestly why not just suggest having Enchanted Metal be more relevant by including it in more recipes?
distant gyro
because it's the 3rd material from cryogen of course
distant gyro
and as a material it just serves as compacted gold
cobalt pewter
Frigid has less recipes than Cryonic, but it's still kinda relevant in a sense
Then there's Enchanted Metal
Literally just 3 recipes
Plus Circuitry imo would kinda make more sense as crafting mech bosses summons
heady storm
Mmm I see.
cobalt pewter
Weren't mech bosses retconned to be made by Draedon?
heady storm
They were yes.
tawny garden
yuh
cobalt pewter
Mmhm, just bits of Circuitry for their summoning items would make much more sense
I forgot to add that to the sugg
tawny garden
and dubious plate?
cobalt pewter
Since I made it while taking care of my sister
Dubious Plating has different color scheme
heady storm
Consistency for your reasoning would be cool yeah.
cobalt pewter
So I doubt it works well
Also can anyone elaborate me on Mechanic's role in the lore?
cobalt pewter
ashen trench
wait. Polterghast is a simp
swift wharf
That man is just posting random shi on all channels
unreal star
the fuck is this
heady storm
I’m just gonna mute him, gimme a sec.
unreal star
just play 1.4 lmao
tawny garden
also that sugg
delete
swift wharf
Chetto already asked for him to stop saying random stuff on the channels
heady storm
Sure, let me finish the idiot log. 
tawny garden
"idiot log"
heady storm
Alright, it’s gone now.
mental perch
Scrollback is gonna kill most of the suggestions
People have to scroll so far back to see them
tawny garden
(sugg advertising isn't allowed, and what you're doing classifies as that)
mental perch
Oh, that better?
tawny garden
and yea, scrollback is essentially the balance here
suggs that aren't good enough won't get enough stars and then will be forgotten cause they're so high up
cobalt pewter
And reposting is allowed after a week each
So if you got low votes even after reposting, people might not care about the subject of the sugg
Or your sugg just sucks
mental perch
So sad tho because during times of high suggestion frequency you will get pushed up faster
tawny garden
that's usually after the update comes out
mental perch
If there were a UI that would enable people to view all recent suggestions (Say, within the last week?) I feel like that would help a lot
tawny garden
(except when vanilla 1.4 came out, there weren't any suggs for 2 days straight then)
mental perch
Everybody was busy with 1.4 huh
tawny garden
I was busy updating the wiki
cobalt pewter
So people are busy with 1.4 stuff
cobalt pewter
Zenith is planned to be moved post Polter in Calamity
tawny garden
aight this isn't sugg talk anymore
cobalt pewter
Yes
mental perch
Yeah
hot vault
would a world config option as to whether or not you want linear or broken progression work at all?
weak field
No
mental perch
Sounds reasonable
weak field
That's not a world config option
hot vault
right
weak field
More like, impossible to do in one mod
Maybe calamity mod:linear edition
But that's too much work for devs
violet dagger
ima fight scal first and king slime last
weak field
So the suggestion will probably get disapproved
oh yes, reverse linear progression
I want a mod like that
tawny garden
if it's just plain config.json, that'd be bad cause you could switch it on and off at any point in progression
weak field
Scal with king slime health and king slime with scal health
tawny garden
although I'd like to see completely reversed progression lol
SCal → Yharon → DoG → ... → King Slime
weak field
That's what I meant
mental perch
at the end of the game
weak field
No, king slime with scal ai and normal health
Scal with king slime ai and normal health
mental perch
at beginning of game?
weak field
Yes
mental perch
So wait
weak field
Boss progression remains the same, it's just the ai that's getting swapped
tawny garden
alright this is offtopic now
tawny garden
but please smb make that
tawny garden
weak field
Oh yes
mental perch
would just after loading get the boss list and reverse it then assign AI's
tawny garden
((what is that emoji supposed to mean?))
mental perch
Squirrels, they're everywhere and they see everything
violet dagger
it doesnt drop from just neb anymore
tawny garden
I made a bet on the Calamity Art Server that I'll code it myself, no matter how long it takes. Watch me.
gray nebula
yeah uh
tawny garden
doesn't work like that
gray nebula
the art server bit was brain melting dw
violet dagger
lets see u code it
gray nebula
plus
"1. The source (Lunar enemies)
2. The style (blob/construct rather than fragment)
It's so close it is literally obtained from the Nebula Pillar (haha nebula fragment farming go brrr). I'd go even far enough to say we should add a new pillar.
"
this is all wrong!
violet dagger
I was about to pop in and say that its a dont to the point where its just insta delete and not ❗
gray nebula
litterally it doesnt have a hamaxe like the other lunar sets, it features weapons for other classes unlike the other lunar sets etc etc etc
tawny garden
I'd go even far enough to say we should add a new pillar.
pillars are bosses iirc
so that makes it a don't
gray nebula
cmon why not make the lunar events even more fucking annoying than they already are
-mods
alrightttttttttttttttt
violet dagger
what is up with people just doing s in suggs
graceful stream
Making another pillar would require making a lot of enemies too
frail mantle
don't Meld Blobs drop from all pillar enemies now
gray nebula
yes
violet dagger
yes
indigo fog
they do
ashen warren
No.
zenith hazel
didn't we have this discussion before with the same guy
graceful stream
Yes they do
gray nebula
YES
graceful stream
YES THEY DO
violet dagger
you outdated
tawny garden
ashen warren
Probably new update.
unreal viper
Update
violet dagger
this is what happens when u dont read patch notes
unreal viper
And uh.
tawny garden
update your game before sugging stuff
graceful stream
New update that came out 3 weeks ago
gray nebula
please try to inform yourself before making suggs like that and also like imagine contesting a dev lol
violet dagger
a meme sugg 100%
cobalt pewter
I'm having a breakdown
tawny garden
frail mantle
it's not a meme
unreal viper
Yes.
frail mantle
that much is clear
unreal viper
Uh more pillar.
weak field
Another pillar is gonna be hell to code
unreal viper
Maybe a don’t, idk.
frail mantle
it might not exactly be the best suggestion ever, but i can tell it's not a meme
violet dagger
-But Juicy, that'll take ages. I heard Tremor tried and failed miserably!
I made a bet on the Calamity Art Server that I'll code it myself, no matter how long it takes. Watch me.
this makes it a meme sugg
tawny garden
does yeah
graceful stream
Pillar is an event, it's already a don't
frail mantle
not really
unreal viper
That part is kinda stupid
weak field
he can try to make his own mod if he wants to
frail mantle
that part isn't necessary but it doesn't make the sugg a meme
unreal viper
The devs will code it if they wanna
gray nebula
its not a meme its just stupidly high overconfidence
zenith hazel
again, no need to pile on the guy, jesus
zenith hazel
@ashen warren would you like to change your sugg or delete it?
violet dagger
~~now that makes me wonder that if you did an SIS, made a calam quality sprite and coded it what would happen ~~
frail mantle
meld is meant to be different from the lunar sets, isn't it
tawny garden
iirc if you do something remarkably awesome, you could get a sis through
read someone say that
violet dagger
anyways just delete the sugg or ❗ and
frail mantle
no, if you suggested a SIS before they were banned and it was accepted, the devs might come back to it later and add it
tawny garden
Also let people be able to teleport between Pillars.
this doesn't pertain to the sugg at all
graceful stream
How that would even work
ashen warren
this doesn't pertain to the sugg at all
So you can actually get up there.
tawny garden
also, reasoning doesn't really exist in your sugg
So you can actually get up there.
that's too specific anyway
radiant meadow
I don't understand what the suggestion is asking for
tawny garden
a grand-scale rework.
unique reef
for the Meld set
zenith hazel
and it's not gonna happen, end of story
it's wildly unnecessary and it goes against the whole premise of the meld rework
gray nebula
hey i already said that in art lol
but i guess a bet is stronger than a dev's word
violet dagger
anyways it has the mark of death
ashen warren
violet dagger
lets just leave it
ashen warren
violet dagger
be back in 24 hours to see the bot reap it :hage:
tawny garden
it was deleted already
void kelp
@void kelp self ping to remind myself to write planetoid guide lines suggestion later
@lavish matrix configuration toggling was attempted but due to it not working in multiplayer, it was moved back to visibility
lavish matrix
mmm I see
frozen hollow
Tell me what you think of my suggestion, it is a small one but I cannot avoid feeling like that part of the song gets wasted 
pale glacier
I agreee
hollow shell
Yeah this sugg is fine
cobalt pewter
Yeah it's cool
hollow shell
I thought that it got suggested before but I was actually thinking about this
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/725561982161387650
frozen hollow
Tale of a cruel world is the title screen song now no?
frozen hollow
I just think that "Stained, Brutal Calamity - Acceptance" sounds really conclusive and it would really fit with how a player feels after having defeated the final boss
frozen hollow
violet dagger
remember scal isnt gonna be the final boss forever
hollow shell
yeah but she will be for like 2 years so we can afford to have this till then
frozen hollow
Yeah exactly
violet dagger
ye
robust lava
Also, even if she isn't the final boss, I don't think that affects this sugg (other than the final line)
If it was ToaCW, then it would matter when she's tier shifted imo
frozen hollow
Tale of a cruel world just doesn't sound conclusive musically, because it was never supposed to
That's the problem I have with that
robust lava
Yeah, I prefer your suggestion
radiant meadow
Tale of a cruel world was designed for the beginning, not the end
unreal viper
If i was a rev melee player fightning cryogen.
Frozen wings, frostspark boots, grand gelatin, deific amulet, emblem and evasion scarf would be fair, right?
With axe of purity as a wep.
I'm trying to test orich armor dps.
rose jewel
For the mage melee sentinels suggestion there is the mirror blade for melee
hollow shell
you posted that like an hour ago then deleted it
"Unfortunately, this isn't the case for Melee and Mage players, since Melee can only get Mirror Blade from CV (which is subpar vs Providence due to her having no contact damage) and mage doesn't even have anything at all." ~the sugg
heady storm
Oh true, you can make other weapons with the sentinel's drops.
@cobalt pewter Were you considering this is a thing by chance? ^
radiant meadow
he was focusing on a non-linear stance
in which mistlestorm needs uelibloom
that's why he mentioned mirror blade vs providence
fossil finch
Having other weapons pre polter would be cool tho
All the other magic weapons are post polter
And i think there isn't even more melee weapons related to the sentinels
heady storm
I was seeing it like: "Why are you testing this on the boss that you aren't suggesting the gear is made available before?"
Since sentinels can be fought before provi and whatnot.
fossil finch
How many times the elemental quiver toggle has been suggested now
heady storm
A decent amount of times I think.
tawny garden
wait a sec, @west gale are you the patreon donator who requested the evasion scarf?
(it's too late to ask now, but still)
heady storm
tawny garden
darn
tawny garden
are they not on the server?
west gale
i felt like the elemental quiver toggle would have been suggested before, has it been denied in the past?
radiant meadow
they are in this server
tawny garden
it was previously sugged
radiant meadow
what do you need them for?
tawny garden
already nothin, the sugg in question is in voting
it was semi-related
ele quiver split toggle suggs:
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/743751862712533012
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/738830681018335232
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/724429835291590748
none reached the req
frail mantle
the star req will most likely be lowered soon (tm™️)
west gale
inb4 raised to 360 next week
tawny garden
good job, Leon, at completely duplicating my msg
frail mantle
i'm a professional goblin what were you expecting
tawny garden
arctic notch
Make Astral Stuff made with a Mythril Anvil and Adamantite Forge.
Why? You can beat Deus start of Hardmode, but you can't use the bars then, due to needing an Ancient Manipulator. This should be changed due to Deus being able to be fought any time in Hardmode now.
Any feedback?
heady storm
Perfect enough in every regard imo.
arctic notch
Ok.
violet dagger
post it 
arctic notch
Alrighty.
hollow shell
Yeah looks good
tawny garden
balancing that won't be easy I think
unless there is nothing to balance and I'm an idiot
arctic notch
There isn't balancing for other bosses.
tawny garden
wdym?
arctic notch
They're just hard. And if you beat them, the rewards are good.
arctic notch
Yeah.
tawny garden
like levi
arctic notch
Like a sort of Duke situation.
hollow shell
Indeed
(and if the boss can be beaten somewhat easily outside of its intended tier, then that's a signal to buff it)
arctic notch
But Deus is hard as nails start of Hardmode.
tawny garden
(astrum deus doesn't match that description)
hollow shell
yeah iunno what Deus's difficulty is like, haven't found the new one
heady storm
Kirn asked in my DMs if he's only fightable at nighttime still so uh, what do you think then Rover?
hollow shell
Are you asking me if that's true?
radiant meadow
deus sets it to night time iirc at the start of the fight
tawny garden
()
radiant meadow
so unless you dilly dally for like 9 minutes
heady storm
Well no, I'm asking if you think balancing would be required then.
hollow shell
That
has very little to do with it
heady storm
Since you do have a limited time to kill him in such case.
hollow shell
m yeah you'd need gooder DPS
hollow shell
So, that means its even less likely that Astral items would need to account for early kills
heady storm
Well that's assuming any portion of hardmode.
radiant meadow
astrum deus could be reasonable post plant maybe
duststorm sleeper agent
in that case, astral bars would be worthless
which the sugg obviously aims to fix
tawny garden
if he's not intended to be fought at the start of hardmode, we can just take a shit on that
when balancing
arctic notch
I aim to make it so that if you DO achieve it, you should be rewarded.
radiant meadow
ye
heady storm
Indeed, that's what I was also thinking.
radiant meadow
also, I really hope early hm doesn't shit on deus
arctic notch
I had to cheat in an Ancient Manipulator to get my stuff.
It doesn't.
I barely beat him.
Rev anyway.
It took several tries.
heady storm
@glass sentinel you pressed enter too fast.
tawny garden
again
heady storm
Yeah just add the reasoning and logically nothing wrong since it feels like an inconsistency.
tawny garden
again?
ah, I'm prolly thinking of someone else
radiant meadow
consider assessing the other 5 weapons he can drop
it's not necessarily an all or nothing situation
but it'd be good to consider all of them on a case by case basis in this sugg
radiant meadow
nuclear fury and effer aren't nature weapons so bubble gun and razorblade might not count then
heady storm
Briny Baron affected either?
radiant meadow
but tempest could
heady storm
Ultimate suggestion to have all duke weapons and their upgrades be affected by Evergreen Gin.
radiant meadow
but that would include heavenly gale :/
heady storm
Fuck.
glass sentinel
so add tempest?
unreal viper
The bow weps make sense, at least the water themed ones
Gale isn’t really water themed.
radiant meadow
monsoon and alluvion are already nature weapons
glass sentinel
considering that terratomere counts as a nature one