Autoswing should be mandatory
#suggestions-discussion
cobalt pewter
But that's aside the point
Moonwalking is cool
And it would be very effective in many cases
tawny garden
also, Aria / Freeze's sugg
it sounds too broad
optimization is done all the time
(can it be considered a future feature? 
)
tawny garden
you know it
as I said, it's done all the time though
suggesting it seems weird
cause if it wasn't done, the mod/game would be unplayable
dapper coral
indeed
tawny garden
unplayable as in it crashes upon loading 
sturdy geyser
the suggestion just seems like "make mod better"
tawny garden
ye
dapper coral
mm
tawny garden
technically these suggs aren't prohibited tho
dapper coral
yeah...just too broad
tawny garden
too broad suggs are usually meme suggs
this one isn't
@hollow shell could you change the "- Bugs." don't into "- Bugs/optimization."?
as it seems that Aria / Freeze's sugg isn't a don't, but it can't logically be a sugg
weak field
Which one is it?
dapper coral
tawny garden
ah, sniped
dapper coral
heh heh
tawny garden
also, the ding dong ditching don't still calls #suggestions-discussion "#suggestions_discussion"
radiant meadow
I don't think that really matters
tawny garden
nitpick
violet dagger
Should probably be fixed as it can mislead new people
violet dagger
Who doesn't
hollow shell
Uh well I just wanna clarify first
Optimization issues definitely go in #bugs-read-pins, right?
dapper coral
mm
the question is, this isn't really an issue, per se
just an overall suggestion for optimization? which is... weird
tawny garden
you can't define "too broad"
not properly
Optimization issues definitely go in #bugs-read-pins, right?
@hearty yew ↑?
robust lava
If that is the case, then I’d imagine they would have to be more specific than Aria’s, and more like King Luigi’s?
radiant meadow
Optimization isn't really a bug
hollow shell
It kinda falls in the same category of technical issues
radiant meadow
If someone just goes in bugs and asks the mod be optimized, I'm kicking them out
If they have severe lag during X, then it goes there
hollow shell
Yeah obviously saying "optimize the whole mod, it's laggy" is not helpful
but would something like King Luigi's sugg be fine for the bugs channel, one certain weapon?
radiant meadow
It should be reworded to focus on nerfing the weapon than reducing lag
hollow shell
Yeah he should pick one instead of just "oh btw it's overpowered" being thrown into the reason
@ripe stream
radiant meadow
And I doubt anything is wrong with phantasmal ruin
Asking the projectile amount be reduced doesn't belong in bugs
Unless it like hits the proj cap
hollow shell
Does it have a lot of light-emitting dust?
hollow shell
Yeah they're sprites now
ripe stream
Are people criticising me or supporting my idea, or both?
dapper coral
firstly, no one is criticising you
secondly, the issue is that the sugg is all over the place because it's unclear whether you want it to be nerfed because it's strong or to reduce lag
and apparently phantasmal ruin shouldn't have any laggy qualities anyways, at least from what i can see
hollow shell
Yeah your suggestion should only be to improve performance or to say it's OP and why it needs to be nerfed
Not the best idea to say both, muddies the suggestion
And yeah there were doubts on how Phantasmal Ruin could be laggy
hollow shell
??? Really?
ripe stream
Not kidding
hollow shell
That seems like something you should report to the bugs channel if you haven't already
dapper coral
i don't suppose you have a log for that?
ripe stream
No sorry
dapper coral
that's unfortunate
hollow shell
It probably still exists somewhere if it was recent
dapper coral
i think if you play the game after the bug occurs, the previous log gets wiped
hollow shell
ripe stream
Plus it brings me to 4fps
Not on my pc
Sorry for bad spelling
Ill do it when im back
hollow shell
Are you using a lot of other mods, and/or tMod 64bit?
ripe stream
Neither
dapper coral
with luck, the bug will be present in the logs
ripe stream
Never got a crash once
hollow shell
(until Phantasmal Ruin)
visual crane
I had an idea for armor using the dubious plates and mysterious circuitry. Thoughts?
tawny garden
sounds specific
tawny garden
although if you don't specify stuff yeah
ripe stream
Maybe could be the armour used with yharims soldiers
tawny garden
that's a don't, King Luigi
ripe stream
The lore is so good i read it 2 times
tawny garden
ripe stream
Why not?
tawny garden
and read the doc
hollow shell
Nah I think he means lore-wise, not when Yharim comes out, Philo
tawny garden
ah
visual crane
It just strikes me as odd that out of all materials gotten from Calamity, the draedon lab stuff doesn't have armor yet, just tools and weapons. Everything else does... I think.
hollow shell
I spose so yeah
tawny garden
that kinda makes sense
hollow shell
More armors are welcome
ripe stream
Yeah thats what i meant
ripe stream
Its fine lol
visual crane
Given that the weapons and tools can be made at various stages of the game, I feel like this is where my idea falls a little flat. Like, at what point would the armors be useful? Would they be a material like the Silva armor? Would they give any scaling to the weapons and/or tools?
I'm good at coming up with stuff... it's balance that I suck at; and this kind of shows with one of my Starbound mods.
That's neither here nor there. But my idea is valid, yeah?
dapper coral
i suggest you think about what areas of armors you feel are missing in different stages, and then apply it to that
and yeah, it's definitely valid, as long as you're not too specific
sand umbra
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/743021335055302790 in relevance to the newest sugg
sand umbra
yeah there's a sugg on this already
and it's literally 12 stars off
hasty linden
11 starts off
cobalt pewter
Empyrean is too edgy
Everything else on similar tier is colorful and vibrant to an extent
Then there's e d g y Empyrean
tawny garden
yessir
tawny garden
mix but not shake
sand umbra
gacha
tawny garden
We ain't gonna rework until it's reworked
hollow shell
Solar Flare is sun
Vortex is.. aliens and tech I spose
Nebula is nebula
Stardust is stars
Empyrean is the horror that lurks in the deepest reaches
tawny garden
hollow shell
What
sand umbra
candle sugg yeah
tawny garden
pff
sand umbra
I was trying to find a reason that Empyrean would be reworked again
the only thing that came to mind is "why is there exactly one rogue weapon made out of Meld Constructs despite it decidedly being the rogue equivalent to fragment sets"
...and also "why are the Meld Construct weps enormous" but that's a topic for another time
wooden lance
star of destruction and shard of antumbra both exist
sand umbra
OH FUCK I forgot Star existed
wooden lance
all g
sand umbra
I legitimately forgot Star and DG Sheath were part of the set
radiant meadow
they're enormous because they're supposed to be part of something bigger
wooden lance
easy to forget
hollow shell
Luminous Striker uses em as an ingredient too
sand umbra
I am. very smart
hollow shell
s'posed to be all imposing
hollow shell
Nadir is a melee spear.
radiant meadow
shards of antumbra are used by scourge of the cosmos
wooden lance
what does antumbra turn into
radiant meadow
idk what nadir uses
wooden lance
ah ok
hollow shell
Nadir is just crafted with Ele Lance
sand umbra
how am I supposed to hold this
hollow shell
uh by the handle
wooden lance
with your hands
hollow shell
its down there
sand umbra
I personally think it's all just way too fucking big but w/e
dapper coral
gotta get the cool anime sword-style largeness my guy
hollow shell
yeah that's uhh the point
sand umbra
wack
hollow shell
"Shard"
'oh like a small little chipped off piece of something?'
"Yep"
[its still massive]
'oh shit what the hell did this belong to'
wooden lance
is astral armor rework in the works or no
sand umbra
I was gonna say "I don't know, I literally made this out of Play-Doh and some stardust" and then I remembered we don't have Meld Play-Doh anymore
hollow shell
depends on how you wanna define "in the works"
wooden lance
on the table
hollow shell
like yeah we have ideas
hollow shell
but, nobody's programming em yet
hollow shell
(mostly because the ideas would be hard to do because they're cool)
wooden lance
well, thats very good to know
sand umbra
wooden lance
as it stands the only class that cares is summon for the sweet mixed armor
sand umbra
...it feels weird not having to arbitrarily stop the conversation for suggs that are nearly past the 24h timeframe
since suggs no longer inherently die after 24h anymore
wacky.
hollow shell
Yeah its nice I enjoy that it's more chill
sand umbra
dapper coral
takes a lot of pressure off of rover, which is good
hollow shell
I could deal with the stress of always having to approve suggs before they disappeared
over the summer
but I'm in college now
sand umbra
yeah that's uh
wooden lance
college is a fun time for all parties involved
sand umbra
that's not happening, not with college in the mix
hollow shell
haha yeah parties in 2020
sand umbra
college is. an experience
radiant meadow
too bad college isn't on topic anymore
wooden lance
hmm yes
hollow shell
Indeed
wooden lance
well, i was gonna suggest an astral armor rework but i dont have to
radiant meadow
you can if you want
ancient crow
speaking of empyrean gear, is it just me or does the armor look a little lackluster compared to the rest of the set
wooden lance
if its already on your radar, im not gonna arbitrarily waste peoples time
radiant meadow
for something lackluster, I gave it a special transformation when you wear the full set 
wooden lance
empyrean armor looks sick
radiant meadow
if you wear the full set, it looks different than the individual pieces
ancient crow
is that the image displayed on the wiki?
dapper coral
yeah there is one
there's 2 images on the wiki
one with fully equipped, and one without
dapper coral
no, empyrean armor
ancient crow
@dapper coral am i looking in the wrong place
wooden lance
i thought he was talking about empyrean armor
dapper coral
mmm lemme find it
sand umbra
I've literally never heard of this
oh wait a minute which set are we speaking of
Astral or Empyrean
I'm confused
radiant meadow
maybe cuz it's new this update
dapper coral
empyrean
sand umbra
ah.
dapper coral
yeah, astral is normal
sand umbra
...yeah this still seems very one-sided
radiant meadow
look in game then
hollow shell
Ah yeah the animations change
If you just wear the pants, you walk like normal
but with the full set you float slightly off the ground and hover
radiant meadow
you can't have a full non-transformed set
I think the transformed set has the green serrator hand thingy
hollow shell
The arms too
If you just wear the chestplate, you swing em like normal
but with the full set you use telekinetic green energy to hold things
radiant meadow
don't think the non-transformed one has that
dapper coral
alright, looks like that one image is gone from the wiki
and i don't know where it is
there is definitely a picture of it though, otherwise i wouldn't know what it is
hollow shell
We could have a gif comparison somewhere on the page
Ah it exists
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316285389310525441/741228393349120041/MeldArmorFullTransformation.gif
radiant meadow
a gif would be better since the full non-transformed set never appears in game
hollow shell
I'll add it
dapper coral
@ancient crow there we go
ancient crow
so if you can't have the full set without transformation, what is the right gif there?
full set in cosmetic?
hollow shell
That's just each piece individually, compiled together
hollow shell
Can't see it in-game but, you can infer what each part would look like on their own
upbeat dew
it is just particles right now
upbeat dew
yeah
radiant meadow
Let me redirect you to the #sprites-needed channel in art
radiant meadow
It happens when it gets sprited
upbeat dew
👍
hearty yew
@tawny garden @robust lava @radiant meadow @hollow shell
If you know enough about C# and programming to have specific optimization suggestions for me you skip both this channel and bugs and DM it to me
tawny garden
hearty yew
@King Luigi#5855 you too since apparently people are talking about your suggestion
also yes if it causes crashes then it goes in bugs
weak field
Death valley cluster don't have a projectile
hollow shell
He left
dapper coral
they did
tawny garden
weak field
Or do dusts count as projectile
hearty yew
...the hell
hearty yew
people just do that
weak field
Well ok then
hollow shell
The projectile is what emits all the dust
weak field
Kinda like minecraft armor stand
hearty yew
@weak field time for a little lesson Main.projectile[1000]; Main.dust[6000];
Or to be more precise,
haughty owl
I like tmodloader lessons
hearty yew
// Main.cs
Projectile projectile[1000];
Dust dust[6000];``` They are different object types and different arrays. Completely different stuff.Your a C++ person
tawny garden
learn
hearty yew
Projectiles aren't dust and dust isn't a projectile. Projectiles make dust.
If dust does anything other than make light that's extremely bad and it shouldn't do that. xD
tawny garden
Your a C++ person
if someone knows how to code in C++, they know how to code in any language
hearty yew
hard disagree
Nothing can prepare you for PHP
also #general-talk I'mma stop being off topic and vanish now
tawny garden
hm
yeah, fair point
haughty owl
That counter scarf suggestion was so cool
dapper coral
bye ozz
haughty owl
I'm saying this too much
weak field
Yeah
haughty owl
Bye Ozz
weak field
I thought primitive drawing is like cloth simulation but in 2d
Bye ozz btw
The example scarf still has a bit visual bug in it but that's left to devs to try to fix it
left ice
Personally, I'm against the suggested cryogen lore item rework. Most lore items are already useless due to drawbacks bigger than benefits. I won't go so far as to say that change would make it useless, but it would definetely have an impact. Plus, there are already improved items with a similar function (evasion scarf), even if they tend to be very glitchy.
tawny garden
Most lore items are already useless due to drawbacks bigger than benefits.
See Providence Lore
was the best, now not so much
wicked sundial
what if yharim at he’s final bit of health, he takes everything away from your inventory and gives you a sword to finish him off
just like how calamitas accepts her death
rapid pivot
Any thoughts on my sugg?
golden narwhal
I mean, it definitely is a support weapon, but I dont see why it shouldn't be a mage weapon, considering every class has something that can be utilized for debuffs
(e.g. flasks, caustic staff, ichor arrows, and the mage stuff)
rapid pivot
Because let's be real; it's used solely for debuffs.
It's not used for its damage; ichor arrows are a very potent choice for damage outside of the Ichor debuff.
golden narwhal
Yes, generally so is showers
rapid pivot
Showers have enough raw damage to justify being a weapon that you can use by itself.
tawny garden
but that was like a year ago, lol
golden narwhal
Support weapons are generally used for their effects rather than damage
Why caustic staff isn't classless let's ignore it being a patreon weapon
rapid pivot
hm
heady storm
I mean, it being a summoner weapon in particular doesn't stop you from just summoning it with any class.
rapid pivot
^ that, and i think classless weapons hold a higher level of importance when it comes to summoners
because they're gonna be the weapon you fire most often
golden narwhal
I mean, it being a summoner weapon in particular doesn't stop you from just summoning it with any class.
Yes, the point being it's used by most classes because of its effects, despite it being a summoner weapon
golden narwhal
O, nice
unique reef
did the update release?
sterile arch
not yet
unique reef
k
left ice
What update?
weak field
The bug fixing patch
unreal viper
Okay. I’m bored, sugg review time.
Sockhorse’s sugg is good.
Ore helmets huh.
I’m not really sure tbh.
There are a lot of problems with the current ore armors.
unreal viper
Really only palladium and tier 3s get used
cobalt pewter
at this point just making clamity its own game won't make it jarring in any way
unreal viper
I guess summoner could use a more tanky option, rogue needs a generalist or a non-stealth set.
But I’d rather have unique sets imo.
cobalt pewter
Also I wanted to suggest to buff star based weapons
But I'm too lazy for testing
And I just wanna suggest to remove star drops from aureus and deus
unreal viper
That’s why I do armor Suggs.
cobalt pewter
Because they might be one of the main culprits that make star weaps garbage
But iirc you can make fallen stars with stardust, yes?
unreal viper
Ye.
I guess they make them normal weps.
Instead of a melting machine to finish a boss.
cobalt pewter
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
unreal viper
I guess it’s easier for balance.
Vanilla balances things off of difficulty to get more than calamity.
The homing projectile one seems to make sense based on how stealth currently works.
King Luigi’s sugg doesn’t explain why it’s op, but he doesn’t really need to imo.
Idk if it’s laggy since I’ve never used it.
I know nothing about coding, so I do mount know if the next sugg is remotely possible.
Hey, a feedza sugg.
cobalt pewter
unreal viper
I am sugging ancient omega blue btw
wooden lance
is omega blue going bye bye?
cobalt pewter
Yes
wooden lance
L
cobalt pewter
It got resprited 
sinful steeple
Bruh are we gonna sugg ancient every armour that exists
cobalt pewter
And became another edgi
unreal viper
Nah
unreal viper
But omega blue was sick:
wooden lance
it was
sinful steeple
New one is more sick
unreal viper
Eh
wooden lance
i dont disagree with ancient omega blue droping from eidolon wyrms or some shit
cobalt pewter
Of course the sprite style itself is fine, but the way they love to add cowls that cover the player face is ech
Like
cobalt pewter
idk, I love the way the ancient omega blue head looks
The rest of the set is, eh, fine
But the new head just bothers me to undesirable degrees
wooden lance
which is what eidolon wyrms are
cobalt pewter
I guess it's more of a hood yes
wooden lance
so it makes more sense from a game perspective
unreal viper
I like the tentacles
wooden lance
i dont disagree with adding ancient omega blue, for the record
cobalt pewter
I haven't seen the tentacles
unreal viper
Breastplate looks like umbraphile to me for some reason
sinful steeple
That's because rogue is le edge class
dapper coral
@unreal viper just gonna tell you now for reference, 5 suggs in posting by the same person is too much
try to keep it to like, 3 max
cobalt pewter
chuckles in 4
dapper coral
this probably goes for you too, feedza
cobalt pewter
But ben said it's fine as long as it's not, like, 10 in a row. Prolly exaggeration, but idk
dapper coral
that is indeed exaggeration
there are currently 20 suggestions in posting, having 20% of them be one person's is a bit excessive imo
even if we have the bot now, we still have to look over suggs to make sure they're alright, and too many in posting leads to mistakes
cobalt pewter
Wait holdup
What is the limit for suggs to be automatically be yeeted into voting?
Because the top one is way past 24 hrs
sand umbra
wait wtf
sand umbra
literally a third of the suggs in posting should've been either thrown into voting or snapped by now
sand umbra
bot may be dead
sinful steeple
Bot's on strike, eating a pizza or smth
sand umbra
that is also a possibility
radiant meadow
I'll message Amber
heady storm
- Only post one or two suggestions at a time. We do enjoy all the ideas, but with the amount of people in the server, it can become overwhelming. If you want to suggest a complete overhaul to a certain mechanic or item group, put it in a document and post that instead.
In the pins of #suggestions-voting.
violet dagger
@ashen warren party time's over time to approve suggs
dapper coral
cobalt pewter
Fine
heady storm
It's valid.
violet dagger
yes
sand umbra
it doesn't have ❗ so presumably it's valid
cobalt pewter
Gotta speed approve
heady storm
Wait hold on what happened?
sand umbra
this applies to everything from yesterday btw
heady storm
Bot incident?
dapper coral
wait
cobalt pewter
Oh yeee bot died
violet dagger
wot
dapper coral
alright, that doesn't work anymore
heady storm
Oki Thomas.
sand umbra
yep. bot's dead
cobalt pewter
Sugg didn't get yeeted to voting
dapper coral
i'll do it manually then
sand umbra
ebic
heady storm
Wait we gotta type them in ourselves for now?
cobalt pewter
I guess so
radiant meadow
Yes
sand umbra
no wonder literally all of yesterday's remaining suggs haven't been transferred yet
violet dagger
just copy and paste them smh
radiant meadow
Don't be lazy
sand umbra
radiant meadow
I'm on mobile though
dapper coral
alright, how about IHS's 4 suggestions?
sand umbra
all of IHS' suggs from yesterday seem valid
violet dagger
demik you gotta add the reaction to it bot isn't just going to automatically
heady storm
No exclamations so sure.
dapper coral
oh wait
sand umbra
gseal, they did
dapper coral
lol
sand umbra
check doesn't work
violet dagger
no in voting
heady storm
I'll take 2/4 and you can take 1/3 Demik.
radiant meadow
The cd starring era
hollow shell
Oh, bot's dead?
sand umbra
yeag
radiant meadow
I just like put a star on the ones in here
civic gust
bot is dead?
hollow shell
@ashen warren
sand umbra
bot is dead
radiant meadow
I already messaged Amber
civic gust
hollow shell
ah
sand umbra
violet dagger
:echverysad:
sand umbra
anywho now that Cheetos™️ and Demi have the yesterday suggs covered
...I don't think there was actually anything else I needed to be here for
aside from "are there any objections I should know about early on in regards to my candle sugg"
dapper coral
alright, that's all of em for now
arctic notch
Make it so Bloody Edge can't be made with Light's Bane, and make it so that Night's Edge can't be made with Blood Butcherer.
Why? What's the point of having an alternative when you can make either one with the same materials?
heady storm
sand umbra
seems good. post in posting
hollow shell
Yes sounds good I like
unreal viper
I will sugg something about that sometime.
arctic notch
Didn't expect this much support so quick.
hollow shell
You should also mention the thematic similarities in your reason
sand umbra
...fuck, I should've included that in my world evils series
hollow shell
As obvious as it may be
unreal viper
Cause I think it’s a good thing
sand umbra
ah well
I got the big stuff, and that was my goal
unreal viper
Differences increase replayability.
sand umbra
a shame none of them will ever reach dev server because people hate having to actually play the game to access both evils
arctic notch
Make it so Bloody Edge can't be made with Light's Bane, and make it so that Night's Edge can't be made with Blood Butcherer.
Why? What's the point of having an alternative when you can make either one with the same materials? Also, the themes of the blades matters. How do you get Night's Edge's theme when you made it with Blood Butcherer which would make it so it's in none of it's materials? Or vice versa?
unreal viper
Also cause sugg votes died
arctic notch
What about that?
sand umbra
seems good
sand umbra
now put it in posting
also you can edit a message, which is a very powerful tool around these parts
arctic notch
Ik.
sand umbra
I see
arctic notch
But I reposted it so it'd be easier to see.
arctic notch
We need a crusade to get our point across.
Also, shouldn't Terra Edge be exclusive to True Bloody Edge? It's the alternative to the Terra Blade, and inflicts Ichor.
And has the healing characteristic of TBE.
hollow shell
I would like that too
arctic notch
Should I add it to the sugg?
dapper coral
that sounds like a separate sugg tbh
arctic notch
Ok.
whole sedge
yeah that sounds like a separate thing
sand umbra
I'd say go for it if I wasn't 110% certain it'd never reach dev server
partially because of the recent star downtrend and partially because people don't really seem to like suggs that make it so their precious everything-in-one-world variety is harmed
earnest vine
(Did sugg bot die?)
sand umbra
"Thomas how do you know that"
note how nearly every single one of the suggs in my world evil series never even broke 100 stars let alone the sending threshold 
dapper coral
yeah it did
arctic notch
Make Terra Edge True Bloody Edge Exclusive, and the Terra Blade True Night's Edge Exclusive..
Why? Well, it's because Terra Edge is an alternative to the Terra Blade. True Bloody Edge and Terra Edge both inflict Ichor and heal the player on True Melee hits. This feature is nowhere to be seen on True Night's Edge or the Terra Blade. So, seeing it disappear or appear suddenly depending on which Terra sword you make with which True Evil Sword makes no sense.
sand umbra
overall though it's mainly from the star downtrend
past few weeks've been absolutely terrible for getting suggs sent
cobalt pewter
partially because of the recent star downtrend and partially because people don't really seem to like suggs that make it so their precious everything-in-one-world variety is harmed
@sand umbra then there's my sugg about rewards for extra diffs because apparently it caters to minoritieswhich are the actually good ones idk
dapper coral
rover will change the star reqs very soon
sand umbra
pog?
cobalt pewter
But yeah, at 24 or 25 stars will be possibly dragged down
dapper coral
pog
sand umbra
arctic notch
I've had severe disagreements with the way both the server and the mod have been handled, but I won't say what about it, as I don't want a flame war.
dapper coral
uh
sand umbra
at least in the case of the mod, you're not the only one.
and that's all I'm going to say on that.
sinful steeple
Why mention it then if you're not gonna elaborate
dapper coral
alright then
arctic notch
I've caused too many on this server in the past.
radiant meadow
Rover didn't say he'll change the star req
He said he was going to reevaluate the star req
arctic notch
Why doesn't Everglade Spray need both Golden Shower and Cursed Flames?
hollow shell
very likely the star req will be changed once I do
sinful steeple
Because that'd be kinda dumb
hollow shell
That would be hard to obtain
sinful steeple
Same reason desecrated water doesn't need both
radiant meadow
Because it'd be annoying to get both
Everglade spray doesn't need to be evil locked either
arctic notch
Then why make it inflict Cursed Flames AND Ichor? Why not split it into two different weapons?
radiant meadow
It is a perennial weapon
hollow shell
Its supposed to be a better debuffer than Golden Shower
arctic notch
Then why make it inflict Cursed Flames?
sinful steeple
We just said why
arctic notch
Probably should.
sinful steeple
Also like the purpose of the weapon is to inflict both
If it doesn't, why does it exist
arctic notch
Then why not make it need some Cursed Flames with Golden Shower or Ichor with the Cursed flames tome?
Not nearly as annoying.
radiant meadow
Because that'd be ass to obtain
sinful steeple
Because then you'd need to make an artificial evil/go to a new world
radiant meadow
An ore set weapon shouldn't require several hoops to go through to obtain
sinful steeple
The floating island with stone also has barely any water and is almost always in space, meaning evil enemies don't spawn there
So fishing and fighting is off the table there
arctic notch
Then harvest blocks from it and make a biome lower.
Also, what's so bad about using multiple worlds?
It's not too annoying.
radiant meadow
We literally don't need everglade to require a ton of work to obtain
sinful steeple
It takes time and just shouldn't really be necessary
radiant meadow
The recipe is fine
hollow shell
This one does too
arctic notch
No it doesn't.
arctic notch
How does it inflict both debuffs if it only needs one?
hollow shell
Post-Plantera
radiant meadow
Because we don't want the weapon to be unreasonable to obtain
arctic notch
Spending more than a few minutes isn't unreasonable.
sinful steeple
For an ore item it kinda is
arctic notch
Not really.
sinful steeple
They're supposed to be easy to get
arctic notch
It wouldn't be hard.
hollow shell
Kinda weird
That you made two suggestions about making the world evils more separate
and now you wanna make a suggestion that requires you set up both in the world
arctic notch
This is one that would make sense.
sinful steeple
Yeah
arctic notch
These have all been to make a recipe make sense.
sinful steeple
If the evils should be separate, then why should both be required if you want an item that matters
radiant meadow
It would make sense if you wanted to make nobody ever craft it
arctic notch
It's not necessary.
sinful steeple
Terra blade/edge doesn't really matter since they're a slightly different rendition of the same weapon and they upgrade into the same thing, everglade spray is just an upgrade with no alt
arctic notch
Flasks exists. Bullets and Arrows exists. The original tomes exist.
This item is only a nice thing to have, but isn't necessary by any means.
sinful steeple
It's easier said than done to inflict two debuffs at the same time, usually you'd have to like use X flask with Y weapon to get the same effect
radiant meadow
None of those require an elaborate setup to obtain
arctic notch
So?
hollow shell
You're asking
for hassle
arctic notch
It's still not as necessary as you guys paint it out to be.
radiant meadow
We want people to use weapons
Making it require a ton of work to obtain will render it near unusable
sinful steeple
It's not necessary but if you want it you'd have to go create an entire world for a single weapon you'll end up dumping by like post-ML
arctic notch
If that's the case, why are almost ALL of the endgame items super grindy? You spend more time obtaining the items than actually doing events or bosses.
And this would make it barely more work.
sinful steeple
Which sounds like a lot but since it's a utility weapon that's not actually long, especially since it's post-Plant
radiant meadow
None of which require custom biome setup iirc
arctic notch
Still isn't a big deal.
arctic notch
And?
sinful steeple
Also question, how does this help the mod
radiant meadow
You can do things a lot faster post moon lord
arctic notch
What of it? Doing this would make it merely a minute longer to obtain if you do it right.
radiant meadow
Fly, grind, mine, etc
sinful steeple
It solves a problem that doesn't exist, causing a minor problem that does exist
hollow shell
Setting up a biome and waiting for it to spread does not take less than a minute
sinful steeple
Does a crafting recipe really need to be perfectly accurate to what you're making
arctic notch
Having a backup world does, though.
radiant meadow
Even once the biome is setup
hollow shell
We do not want people to need more than one world
arctic notch
What're you talking about? Enemies drop them normally.
sinful steeple
If you make a backup world you'd have to spend time making the world, digging to hell, finding a demon, killing WoF and then killing Hive Mind/Perforators
hollow shell
(Perfs drop Ichor in Hardmode, is what he was referring to)
hollow shell
Yeah that's why he said "Or ichor stickers if underground"
arctic notch
Just a zerg and a minute or two.
hollow shell
Also I think it is just ichor stickers and tainted ghouls
radiant meadow
Why do we require custom biome setup, spreading, and zerg to obtain an ore set weapon?
hollow shell
not that they're uncommon, I'm just sayin
sinful steeple
You don't, but what if you want it
arctic notch
When other items do just fine without mining?
radiant meadow
We're not trying to make stuff unobtainable
hollow shell
It's an unnecessary amount of work for just one item
sinful steeple
You shouldn't have to go through all these steps just for an item
arctic notch
This isn't making it unobtainable.
sinful steeple
Not even a late game or overpowered one
It wouldn't be unobtainable but it'd be unused, more trouble than it's worth
arctic notch
Explain Exoblade. That thing is grindy as hell. Or Apotheosis. Drataliornus.
radiant meadow
It might as well be
hollow shell
They only require one world evil
radiant meadow
Apoth is dev wep
arctic notch
Way grindier than this, and you guys are alright with them?
radiant meadow
Drat is dedicated
hollow shell
And yes Apoth and Drata are both dedicated, recipes decided by request of the dedicatees
radiant meadow
And all 3 are extremely late game
hollow shell
^
sinful steeple
They're all endgame, not mid game
arctic notch
Still. Makes no difference.
radiant meadow
And exoblade doesn't require all these hoops
arctic notch
Still not as hard as you make it out to be.
radiant meadow
Exoblade would probably be less of a hassle to obtain than this new everglade recipe
arctic notch
Are you serious?
sinful steeple
You're likely to already have more than a few of exoblade's ingredients by then
hollow shell
Each of its constituent recipes are simple
All the things you need to make it are already in your world
winged fiber
Is the astral water fountain supposed to actually convert the biome to astral
Because I just wanted the water color for a build
sinful steeple
That's a Fargo's thing
hollow shell
Damn, Fargo's does something like that?
winged fiber
Oh
sinful steeple
Apparently
arctic notch
Mining an ungodly amount of ore, grinding for drops, getting those damn Auric Tesla Bars, and still more mining is less of a hassle than 2 worlds and a zerg?
winged fiber
How do I use a water fountain without changing the biome with Fargo's
sinful steeple
You can't
radiant meadow
I don't think fargo fountain biome thing is configurable
winged fiber
What the hell
arctic notch
Paint the water.
hollow shell
And yes, it is, Crafty
Because making a new world or setting up a new biome is completely unprecedented
winged fiber
On the bright side, the abyss water looks really cool like this
arctic notch
Ok, better idea.
winged fiber
Well, just made the suggestion over there
arctic notch
Make it so Auric Tesla Bars only need Auric Ore and possibly Yharon Soul Fragments.
Why? It doesn't make sense that a bar has a crafting tree bigger than most weapons. And despite it's massive tree, some of it's components reappear in some of the recipes, lik Ataraxia needing the Post-DoG Moon Essences and Darksun Fragments, or Yharon Soul Fragments appearing in Dragon Pow's recipe. It makes no sense that it has a massive tree and is needed in abundance.
arctic notch
Are those other components necessary?
sinful steeple
You get enough bars from the recipe
arctic notch
You only get two bars from the recipe.
sinful steeple
Kinda just feels like you're making suggs for the sake of making suggs
arctic notch
Didn't know that.
sinful steeple
You only need like 4 for any weapon
arctic notch
No.
hollow shell
yeah most exo weapons use 4
arctic notch
People typically get a few weapons and a whole set.
sinful steeple
Auric armour needs more but I don't think you need so many auric bars that you need that many of them
unreal viper
It doesn’t make auric more meaningful imo
arctic notch
Still. The massive tree is definitely unnecessary.
sinful steeple
Am I like the only person who already has the loot in my stash when it's time to make auric stuff
arctic notch
Yes.
hollow shell
Definitely no
sinful steeple
Basically the only things you need to farm for are seasonal energies, darksun frags and phantoplasm which are all very easy to farm
Everything else you already have
arctic notch
Still. Why would a BAR need so much?
sinful steeple
Because it's an expensive bar
arctic notch
I'd get a weapon. But a bar?
hollow shell
Because they were originally in all the weapons and armors
but that resulted in big recipes
so they got consolidated into the bar
radiant meadow
It's the penultimate crafting material
arctic notch
So what?
hollow shell
. _.
arctic notch
Fragments and Luminite Bars aren't expensive.
radiant meadow
It is meant to represent something powerful
sinful steeple
Fragments and luminite bars in vanilla are harder to farm honestly
hollow shell
Its to make Auric Tesla Bars feel more significant
Even if its not difficult to obtain, it's to send a message
of "This is the ultimate material, this is the real shit"
arctic notch
No it doesn't. It makes them feel like a waste of time and a burden to get.
sinful steeple
Like what are you doing if you don't have a surplus of most of the mats needed in auric bars
hollow shell
That's like your opinion man
hollow shell
What I said was the developers' intention
arctic notch
Intention doesn't justify why a bar is so grindy.
hollow shell
It uh, it does
because that's part of the point
sinful steeple
Singularities, unholy essence, cores of calamity and life alloy you already got and the other stuff I feel is important
Especially life alloy even if you don't want it those three ores that make it are shoved down your throat a tonne
arctic notch
And even so, you'd feel the same because you're literally mining and smelting Godly Essence.
hollow shell
That's true, but the actual mining and smelting is the same as any other ore
in fact the mining is even easier because Auric Ore is so abundant and your picks are so fast
sinful steeple
That's basically what you're doing when you get auric since you already have the other loot barring maybe seasonal energies and darksun fragments
arctic notch
You aren't everyone, Mac.
Look at literally any youtuber. They don't always have enough to make what they need.
hollow shell
aight so
Your suggestion is valid, Crafty
Mostly anyway
You do have two instances of "It doesn't make sense" in your suggestion, which you need to actually explain
If you fix those then you can post it
and get stars if people agree with you
dry latch
are you complaining that you have to do something in terraria aside from killing bosses?
arctic notch
It wouldn't demean it to make it less costly. Hell, feeling the power of what it makes is enough.
sinful steeple
I know I'm not everyone but I can't be the only person who has a version of the mod with cryo slimes
arctic notch
Make it so Auric Tesla Bars only need Auric Ore and possibly Yharon Soul Fragments.
Why? It doesn't make sense that a bar has a crafting tree bigger than most weapons. It makes no sense that it has a massive tree and is needed in semi-abundance.
hollow shell
Ah lel that actually is all your suggestion is
Yeah you gotta elaborate
in your reason
arctic notch
I have.
west garden
max mana cap is in
radiant meadow
So you want to make auric less grindy
hollow shell
You can use some of the stuff you said in this convo
arctic notch
Look at ANY other bar that's not from Calamity.
hollow shell
No other bar is Auric Tesla
radiant meadow
But you want to make everglade spray more grindy?
hollow shell
Again, the recipe is supposed to make it feel more unique and significant
arctic notch
Auric actually is grindy.
So what? The power granted by what it makes should certainly be enough.
It would feel unique due to it's power and design.
hollow shell
Add this stuff to your sugg's reason
sinful steeple
Auric bars weren't supposed to be bars in the first place, it's just the weapons had all the auric bar mats in their recipe making their recipes even bigger than they already were
hollow shell
You've got some arguments, some points
I don't agree with them, but they're agreeable material
arctic notch
Make it so Auric Tesla Bars only need Auric Ore and Yharon Soul Fragments.
Why? It doesn't make sense that a bar has a crafting tree bigger than most weapons. It makes no sense that it has a massive tree and is needed in abundance. And it's grindyness isn't what makes them feel great and unique. It's the design and power of themselves and what it makes it feel that way. No other bar form other mods or vanilla or even calamity is this grindy.
radiant meadow
Yharon soul fragments should definitely be included
Otherwise they make like
The Wand
Ace's high, and dragon pow
hollow shell
Yeah they'd become more useless than Ashes of Calamity
@forest shoal We tried
Bugs ensued
in Multiplayer specifically
radiant meadow
Not really possible ye
cobalt pewter
Well uh isn't Shadowspec just auric but slap here's some clamitas' soul
radiant meadow
Lest you want terrible desyncs
forest shoal
I didn't realize so that sucks I guess :/
cobalt pewter
Also the three dots on the header of your last sugg is kinda unnecessary
Just one is enough
arctic notch
I didn't notice.
cobalt pewter
I'm kinda nitpicky when not in a good mood
hollow shell
You still have two " It doesn't make sense" and "It makes no sense " (right next to each other)
These phrases aren't recommended because in and of themselves they do not explain anything.
cobalt pewter
arctic notch
Which are they?
Wait.
I thought that was about things said.
Make it so Auric Tesla Bars only need Auric Ore and Yharon Soul Fragments.
Why? It shouldn't be the case that a bar has a crafting tree bigger than most weapons. And it's grindyness isn't what makes them feel great and unique. It's the design and power of themselves and what it makes it feel that way. No other bar from other mods or vanilla or even calamity is this grindy.
There. Changed the wording and removed a line due to redundance.
hollow shell
Okay, this is better
hollow shell
"the same"?
cobalt pewter
sinful steeple
Is it really that grindy
hollow shell
It uses the bars
cobalt pewter
I mean the size of the crafting
sinful steeple
Like how long does it take to get each mat for like 60 bars which is more than you'd ever want
arctic notch
Also 3 armor sets and some accessories. BUT, that makes sense due to the fact that it has the effects of these aaccessories and armor sets.
cobalt pewter
But again, if Auric Bar crafting is nerfed, Auric armor's would be nerfed as well
So ech
Or buffed?
Aaaaa
arctic notch
Mac, have you grinded with the intent of making Auric Bars? It's awful grinding and the result being two bars.
Idea.
Make it so Auric Tesla Bars only need Auric Ore and Yharon Soul Fragments, or make the amount of bars you get higher than 2.
Why? It doesn't make sense that a bar has a crafting tree bigger than most weapons. It makes no sense that it has a massive tree and is needed in abundance. And it's grindyness isn't what makes them feel great and unique. It's the design and power of themselves and what it makes it feel that way. No other bar form other mods or vanilla or even calamity is this grindy.
hollow shell
That's a bit of an exaggeration, Crafty
because you only need 1 of each material to make the 2 bars
(roughly, some are 2)
For reference:
radiant meadow
You get hundreds on moon essence from like 1 event
sinful steeple
I have grinded to make auric bars and it took about like a minute for each seasonal essence and darksun frags
arctic notch
It's annoying, that better?
sinful steeple
I didn't need to grind anything else other than Yharon soul fragments
hollow shell
I mathed it out and
if you want to make a set of Auric Tesla armor and 3 Exo weapons
you need 54 Auric Tesla Bars
So multiply all the amounts in that recipe by 27 and that's the amount you need.
sinful steeple
Which took like 4 minutes
hollow shell
For the moon essences, phantoplasm, and other enemies drops, that's like no problem at all
Yharon Souls are the most annoying part of that
arctic notch
But, is the sugg reasonable with what it's asking and the backing?
sinful steeple
It's valid but unnecessary imo
radiant meadow
The sugg is fine
hollow shell
I think that it's valid yes
dry latch
nah, think it lacks proper reason. it's basically boils down to "it's annoying" and that's not really better than "it's cool"
arctic notch
Is it ready to post?
hollow shell
"THE"
Sure you can post
It's editable after posting anyway so you can post right away regardless
arctic notch
Ah, ok.
arctic notch
Edited it.
hollow shell
Thank you
arctic notch
It makes the sugg better anyway.
hollow shell
@noble turret Reminder to edit your suggestion. It's not formatted properly.
Main idea needs to be at the top on a separate line (Shift+Enter) with the reasoning & elaboration below.
You also just need a lot more reasoning.
Also should I just delete KingLuigi's sugg now, considering he left the server and therefore will not edit it?
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/699359022364491868/746308347090829313
arctic notch
Probably.
sinful steeple
Wait what
Next level, instead of going offline after posting a sugg he posts a sugg and leaves the server
dry latch
did you guys bully him or something? lol
sinful steeple
Why would you even do that
dapper coral
yeah may as well
hollow shell
Saved his sugg
If he ever returns he can ask me for it
dapper coral
he just up and left
hollow shell
Ayy bot undied
sand umbra
pog
cobalt pewter
Really itching to post another mfn sugg about weapons with melee and rogue variants
But I already posted 4
hollow shell
lmao, geez
sand umbra
melee and rogue variants have always been in a weird spot
cobalt pewter
True
sinful steeple
I dislike them. Very much
cobalt pewter
Not sure what would be the ace
But I'd probably make them different variants that still act similarly, but are vastly different
So the rogue ver can get stealth strikes
sinful steeple
Rogue is already basically a melee subclass except with a lackluster mechanic tacked on, it makes it worse that like 40% of the good rogue weapons are just melee weapon alts that do rogue damage
cobalt pewter
Stealth rogue do be feelin like a subclass doe
sinful steeple
I mean it does a different damage type but if I showed you essence flayer and subduction slicer and you didn't know what they were you'd say they're the same class
sand umbra
Essence Flayer isn't a boomerang
sinful steeple
Subduction slicer is even a boomerang which melee weapons can be
cobalt pewter
And melee/rogue variant weapons are one of the main culprits in stealth rogue having a massive lack of options
sand umbra
and I know this because I conceptualized a rogue variant of Essence Flayer that acts as a spiritual successor to Duke's Decapitator
sinful steeple
I know essence flayer isn't a boomerang but like they're both scythes
sand umbra
really wish I could post the doc but a sugg would never come of it because the concept's way too specific and probably falls under grand-scale reworks because fuck me in particular
sinful steeple
They look like they work the same
Whether or not rogue is better it's kinda stepping on melee's foot. A lot
Or is melee stepping on rogue's foot?
Probably doesn't matter tbh
sand umbra
they're stepping on each other, it's a regular routine of theirs
don't question it, they're into it, that's really all you need to know
sinful steeple
Wait a second subduction slicer is both melee and rogue god damnit that comparison was already shaky
Actually does it make the comparison better because they're both melee
sand umbra
it's weird, honestly
melee and rogue variants are really hard to compare to other weapons of their type
and the rules in place for weapons that have both are honestly just fuckin' absurd
sinful steeple
Okay better comparison: bonebreaker and scourge of the desert
sand umbra
they have to function the same aside from damage type, they have to be good at the exact same stuff, rogue variants can't even get stealth strikes
cobalt pewter
Rogue is still catered massively towards spam
sinful steeple
They look like they're from the same class and even work like it too barring the fact that scourge has a stealth strike
sand umbra
cool bug fact's: you know how Pwnagehammer hammers have a 20% chance to home in and release a spectral hammer of hallowed energy
in the original rework, that effect was instead specifically rogue Pwnagehammer's stealth strike
sand umbra
and I know this because I'm the one that did the original rework
cobalt pewter
b r u h
sand umbra
look at how these dumb rules butchered my boy
cobalt pewter
How does melee/rogue variants are allowed
I wanna suggest but I'd probably be slapped by rover for spamming suggs
sand umbra
my Pwnagehammer rework getting shafted like that may or may not have been what finally spurred me to make the doc on variants and changes to them + expansion upon the concept
cobalt pewter
sand umbra
I'll DM it if you want
unless I did already
in which case. meme
cobalt pewter
I'm trying to make an essentially a class focused on stealth on my mod, and I just thrown in a lot of what's supposed to be melee, like shortswords, into the arsenal
And give it specific dmg
sand umbra
not botherin' to post it here because, again, it'd be pointless
a sugg would never be able to come out of it because of how specific it is
although
this does give me the inspiration...to at least try
to at least try something that hits into the ballpark
give me just a moment here
sand umbra
the doc might as well be a thesis, it entails reworks of every variant weapon there is and conceptualizes a few new additions to the party along with some changes to the general system
this is going to be the less specific, suggestions-legal version
heady storm
sand umbra
no this isn't gonna be the evil island sugg but again
which was actually a fucking miniature essay
and now, I await the inevitable "variants aren't getting stealth strikes, sugg invalid, silence bottom"
cobalt pewter
Silence skinbag
Anyway
Fuck I really want that last point
The other two are nice to have but
God damn give rogue variants of these weapons stealth strikes already
sand umbra
the first point leans more towards streamlining the current implementation
the other two revolve around variety
something that weapon variants, unfortunately, sorely lack right now
cobalt pewter
That second point would be a massive pog to summoners
sinful steeple
This was not what I was expecting honestly
cobalt pewter
"Finally something that can be tangible to use and ain't classless" or smth
sinful steeple
If I was making the sugg, I would sugg to kill weapon variants
sand umbra
Calamity doesn't remove content
cobalt pewter
Considering only Borealis Bomber is edging towards a magic weap as a summon weapon
sand umbra
that is
not a concept that is in its vocabulary
sinful steeple
It's not really removing content if the weapon still exists, just not as two classes
The content is still there, just doesn't appear twice
sand umbra
okay well I say that but Heart Rapier and multiple old structures died for Draedon's sins in Rust and Dust
memes
robust lava
Hell shrine died too
sand umbra
Underworld shrine died, ye
sand umbra
anywho yeah
variants but the concept is expanded upon and given new life
discuss.
or don't, I can't force you
whole sedge
This is kind of exactly what I wanted in my melee and rogue playthroughs as I always just got bored of the variants fast and switched to other weapons as the variants also usually lack any real uniqueness when it matters