Aight
#suggestions-discussion
tawny garden
distant gyro
do i think it looks cooler? yes
heady storm
Otherworld stuff listed as a don't btw?
distant gyro
does longer scarf make it less sensical? also yes 
you would probably be more agile if it's short like it is
tawny garden
you'll be able to die like Isadora Duncan
ancient crow
there's that one walking simulator game where you have a scarf that lets you double jump
and the scarf gets longer and longer as you get bigger jumps
by the end of the game its like 3 times your height in length
lost oasis
west garden
This algorithm is for a mod that I'm working on. It can be any length really, the suggestion is more about the primitive being drawn at the back
ancient crow
yeah that’s it ohm
tawny garden
Ω
heady storm
Current state of these suggs and are they fine?
tawny garden
At least the 3 oldest ones are 👌
golden narwhal
Counter scarf sugg could also apply to evasion scarf
tawny garden
If the dedicatee agrees
heady storm
Yeah that's the thing I brought up earlier.
golden narwhal
O yea, dedi item
heady storm
@west garden Logically evasion scarf should also have this effect, however, you'll need the item dedicatee's approval before including such.
tawny garden
Chetto, you shouldn't recommend including that in the sugg if you haven't asked the dedicatee yet
hm, is Mason on the server?
tawny garden
[[Evasion Scarf]]
red stormBOT
west garden
ah it could
heady storm
however, you'll need the item dedicatee's approval before including such.
I was trying to say he needed this before writing it.
west garden
so is what im suggesting goign to make it a dedicated item to me? or something
or is it already one
i confuse
heady storm
No, essentially, evasion scarf also exists, which is dedicated to someone, sugg rules state you need a dedicatee's permission to change their item.
vocal grotto
Even if not applicable to that, I do think the knowledge of how the primitive drawing works on a fundamental level would be valuable information.
west garden
lol should I post classes on drawing prims
cause that would be hella cool
Byeah, theres really only one or two prim structures that are really needed
once you know those and how to apply them, then all you need are buffer points, then ur set
I would elaborate but ig this isn't the channel for it
If the devs want, I could send the code for it, in the case that you want to use it somewhere else
vocal grotto
Honestly, feel free to DM me the details of it.
I understand a bit of what it entails after playing around with 1.4's VertexStrip, but I'm still not 100% sure it's supposed to mean.
west garden
kk
chilly solstice
Lol and I thought consumable rogue weapons getting modifiers is a feature
Why does it have to be removed?
swift wharf
it was hella weird
chilly solstice
Yeah, I get it, but why not?
radiant meadow
@little stag it's getting fixed. Modifiers was a bug
little stag
@little stag it's getting fixed. Modifiers was a bug
@radiant meadow ok then
that'd be nice
west garden
also, for the suggestion to be un-exclamation marked, must it be double checked with the dedicatee?
Just to confirm
west garden
not too sure. I think its what Im mentioned above
hmmm Ill just have to wait for a mod ig
copper kayak
radiant meadow
@copper kayak Please don't advertise stuff like that
heady storm
Why is your sugg even exclamated?
I mentioned earlier, it would be inconsistent to exclude Evasion Scarf from having the same effect. @tawny garden
west garden
should I modify it to be inclusive of the Evasion Scarf?
even though it needs to be proof read by the dedicatee?
heady storm
I would get the dedicatee's permission first.
That is, if we can find them.
@hollow shell do we know who / where the dedicatee for the Evasion Scarf is? Suggestion needs their thoughts.
tawny garden
That's kinda not part of the sugg
The sugg is still valid in its current form
And it should still be able to go through
Even if we don't find Mason
radiant meadow
It's Mason, yes
Pretty sure he's in this server
Or at the very least, was when I programmed it
It'd look weird on Evasion scarf anyways
It gets worn in the front
heady storm
So would this actually be fine to exclude Evasion Scarf from then?
west garden
I guess it could be something where the evasion scarf looses the visual for the sake of stealth or something stupid idk : P
What do you guys think?
Even though it might not get in due to consistency
I dmed one of the devs, teaching him the basics of primitive drawing
So I think they have the knowledge now, to recreate this if they so please
heady storm
I'm gonna remove my exclamation for now since it seems to be leaning torwards fine.
west garden
aiit
hollow shell
(I'm pretty sure the Mason in question is Mason#0676 (they were in the Patron server) but, yeah he doesn't even mention Evasion Scarf so his sugg is fine as-is)
weak field
Oh wow the primitive effect is pretty cool
timber viper
murasama is balanced
hollow shell
?
earnest vine
(is that sugg related?)
vivid niche
You can repost a suggestion after one week correct?
rose jewel
I think for the counter scarf one you could toggle it with visibility just a thought
weak field
Imagine cloth simulation in terraria 
earnest vine
that would be a nice way to melt the cpu
earnest vine
well you need to set up compute shaders first in order to make the calculations run in gpu
hollow shell
Yes, if it didn't reach the req @vivid niche
vivid niche
Ight
hearty yew
would it be reasonable to make a suggestion to buff purple candle
sinful steeple
Purple candle?
hearty yew
Right now it's disgustingly weak, it increases your defense ratio by 5% which does very very little even late game
sinful steeple
Oh that
hearty yew
the other 3 are all fine
They're all good
This one sucks
It originally was quite a lot more defense ratio boost (it was supposed to scale with tank builds) but I guess it allowed too much face tanking lol
now it's just awful
I'd rather suggest it than just buff it out of the blue and make people have to test it
hollow shell
Sounds fine
(currently if you have ~100 defense the candle will only reduce like 5 more points of damage, right?
Or even 2 or 3?)
sinful steeple
Yeah only 2
unreal viper
Huh.
sinful steeple
Wait no 3 because defence is kinda stupid
unreal viper
I thought it was 5% dr lul.
tawny garden
If you have 100 defense, 75 of that is effective (on expert)
hollow shell
5% Separate DR would still be pretty minor but it'd definitely be more effective than current
unreal viper
Wiki says so somewhere, or it used to.
tawny garden
Still fucking useless
hollow shell
mmm
taking 5 less damage against DoG
tawny garden
hollow shell
Jesus, how do you get that high?
unreal viper
Epic
tawny garden
You gonna have to be really into defense to get 700
unreal viper
Ye.
tawny garden
When the highest I had was like 250
unreal viper
You go all in.
It’s not practical at all.
But ye, bufff it.
Was it 5% dr before?
tawny garden
No
unreal viper
Odd
tawny garden
It's 5% more defense effectiveness
hollow shell
Yeah pretty sure it always buffed defense
tawny garden
LOL
On expert+, damage dealt to you is reduced by 75% of your defense
But with the candle, it's reduced by 80% of defense
(On normal these are 50% and 55%, respectively)
unique reef
clever raft
What if you were able to craft titanium ore?
Out of 2 adamantite ore at a demon altar
And vice versa, and the same for all alternate ores, especially HM
unreal star
there’s already a lot of mods that do that
fargo’s mutant i think is the most popular
clever raft
Cool, ty
sand umbra
yeah, Resilient is easily the lousiest of the 4 candles
primarily because in Rev, the intended difficulty, the defense ratio is 75%
buff that to 80% with Resilient...you get a 6.67% increase in the amount of damage your defense mitigates.
in a rather small area. for 2 goddamn platinum.
note: you're not gonna notice that bonus 95% of the time because the damage you take is too high for it to matter
unless you're facetanking with like unholy amounts of defense in which case you probably didn't need the candle in the first place
hollow shell
Yeah 5% DR will be fine
weak field
ok
Then I like this suggestion
I always buy resilient candle just because I have nowhere else to spend money on
sand umbra
alternatively, buff the defense ratio bonus given by the candle
let's say it gives 15% bonus defense ratio
75% + 15% = 90%
that is a 20% bonus
(example text: 100 damage mitigated + 20% = 120 damage mitigated)
in a small area for 2 platinum
weak field
Eh, not too bad
sand umbra
you could put it higher but lol balance
weak field
Although 2 plat is quite a lot of money
sand umbra
yeah that's the other point I wanted to segway into
weak field
Plus discount card doesn't work on fabsol
sand umbra
candle prices are fucking asinine
and yeah, Cirrus cucks Discount Card effect
so that's a guaranteed 2 platinum for each candle you want, not factoring in the amount of space you'd like to cover (which can cost infinitely more)
(also am I the only one who after over a year still has no fucking concept of what Spiteful is supposed to do)
weak field
Uh, no
dapper coral
(also am I the only one who after over a year still has no fucking concept of what Spiteful is supposed to do)
obviously it makes you angy, smh
sand umbra
like it increases damage and that's all well and good but where the hell does it happen in the damage calculation chain and under what circumstance am I supposed to actually notice it
weak field
So enemies within the range of the player within the range of the candle takes 5% more damage
Essentially
sand umbra
and that is a noticeable difference...where, in the game? 
weak field
idk
sand umbra
"but Thomas it bypasses DR"
that doesn't change my point, the bonus you get from this candle is going to be rather marginal given it applies after all other bonuses
weak field
...nobody said that
Plus most enemies don't have that much DR
And these 99.99% DR maniacs don't get affected by the candle anyway
sand umbra
I was expecting someone to say it so I pre-emptively answered
that way we don't have to have a 10-hour argument over it
if this is a problem I can stop 
dapper coral
that way we don't have to have a 10-hour argument over it
good anti-rant technique
sand umbra
weak field
Cool
... these 99.99% DR maniacs
never thought I'll say that sentence in my entire life
But here we are
sinful steeple
Get a sock puppet, name him Kevin and make him ask stupid questions so unnecessary arguments don't happen
weak field
What do you have against soccs
sand umbra
in any event, the point I was making is that the fact that bypassing DR isn't really impressive
most enemies don't have enough DR for that distinction to matter and those that do typically have enough of it to where the candle's effect can't proc anyway
tl;dr buff or rework Spiteful as well please so that it's more effective and worth the several platinum I'm otherwise not gonna bother spending to fill my arena with it
weak field
Rework most candles
sand umbra
Weightless and Vigorous are good
maybe like small buffs but that's all they'd really need
Resilient and Spiteful are more disappointing given their price
which is hilarious because they're the two more combat-oriented candles
weak field
Vigorous is actually great
sand umbra
Vigorous is lowkey god-tier as a candle
weak field
Weightless is ok I guess, it's a free aero stone
sand umbra
Weightless isn't as impressive but it does what it needs to and it does it pretty well
upbeat dew
If you guys care about money that much then just fight easy bosses with armaggedon on
ancient crow
considering all the potential suggs are now approved by the bot and not a moderator, is there still any reason to list the approver in the bot post?
sand umbra
some suggs are still approved by moderators
radiant meadow
For reference
weak field
I can spend my 2 plat on something way better than a candle that doesn't do anything noticeable
They don't grow on trees you see
weak field
plucky mantle
placid cloak
where did the suggestion voting go
dapper coral
wdym
robust lava
It’s still there?
tawny garden
You might have it muted and the category closed
Although muting #suggestions-voting is 
dapper coral
any issues with this one? https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/699359022364491868/745713940012466218
tawny garden
It sounds like an oversight, but oversights are valid suggs
But
I actually don't think it was unnoticed the whole time, I have a sneaking suspicion that it's really hard to fix
dapper coral
@white patio the contact damage during the spin is getting removed in this new update
white patio
dapper coral
no worries
umbral mulch
@ rover dead sugg but still I don't know how you think this is okay https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMqjH9lxq6o
I had a fucking samurai badge in that one and it still took 8:30 over half of it being post bh4
The 7 minute one with spam clicking I didn't have a samurai badge
umbral mulch
No this is just me talking to rover
radiant meadow
I don't think moons making murasama suck can be changed without a fundamental change to either scal or the weapon
umbral mulch
Since I showed shit to him before where I was trying to nohit scal without spam clicking for a bit and he said the damage was fine
My suggestion was kind of an overhaul-ish to murasama to just make the weapon actually reliable
Instead of it just
Not hitting
Sometimes
It taking longer with moons makes perfect sense and that doesn't need to be changed
All you could do is slow down moons but
That'd be cheap
There's a difference between making a boss slower so you can actually hit them with true melee and making a significant part of the fight easier
clever raft
Am I allowed to post a suggestion that will only apply once Tmodloader has updated to 1.4? Is there even reason to for the next several months lest it just be forgotten?
Because imo the vanilla 1.4 underground desert's weapons in chests are too weak for the difficulty of the biome
robust lava
You should wait for Calamity to update to 1.4 to make those kinds of suggestions. It’s in the Dont’s doc
sand umbra
yeah upcoming content Don't, for the moment, also applies to 1.4-related shenanigans
although I absolutely agree, UG Desert loot is pitiful given how dangerous the biome is now
robust lava
Also, the spear seemed decent enough to me, but yeah, perhaps not worth the incredible danger and pain
sand umbra
you'll probably have another pair by the tijme you get Duneriders
unreal viper
But 55 mph phm.
dapper coral
(1.4 talk doesn't exist here)
clever raft
sry
sand umbra
(no, 1.4 suggestions don't exist here)
(there's an important distinction to be made there)
dapper coral
(sure, but after the inevitable flood about not making 1.4 suggestions ceases, that should be it, no more 1.4 talk in this channel)
clever raft
(Makes sense to me. What we were saying next belongs most in Terraria's main server)
dapper coral
perhaps, or you can talk about it in #general-talk
hollow shell
Minor thing @cloud surge But you should prolly have "In Death Mode" at the start of your top line instead of the end
To prevent confusion
cloud surge
ok
hollow shell
Huh, didn't know that was a thing that happened
radiant meadow
well ye, all Cal rocket launchers use custom rockets
because of how inflexible vanilla rockets are
although, you could potentially get them to destroy blocks
with some ai states and ammo checks
it's not super difficult
hollow shell
Hopefully the flexibility increased in 1.4, considering all the new rocket types
radiant meadow
ye
unreal viper
I remember a discusion about the making early bosses harder don't getting removed for rev and death.
Am I allowed to make a sugg on that?
tawny garden
technically still no I guess
@&RoverdriveX#7729
hollow shell
Yeah I reworded it
unreal viper
Nice.
tawny garden
violet dagger
Cool
unreal viper
It always annoyed me that ds was so easy compared to eoc.
tawny garden
((darn, tried to fucking react to that message with wegud, was clicking into nothing for a good second))
tawny garden
more mod headache! more bloodshed!
radiant meadow
no
you know
that example probably isn't a good one
since that was added this past update
sand umbra
did someone say DS buff
earnest vine
why not smaller
radiant meadow
I still don't think KS and DS buff suggs should be allowed though.
sand umbra
hollow shell
sure I'll go with that Philo ¯_(ツ)_/¯
unreal viper
Rework so not a buff,
tawny garden
wait a sec, rly
I mean I'll take it
sand umbra
here's the thing with early-game bosses
sleek turret
wait, now Rover is editing now since im reading the doc again.
sand umbra
vanilla's standard is by far the shittiest standard to go by as far as how complex a starter boss should be
a boss should be relatively complex for its tier
early-game bosses in vanilla are very much not this
unreal viper
Run_away_simulator.exe
sand umbra
special mention to KS who is literally just
a fat slime
that occasionally teleports if you fuck off too far
like. that's not an engaging early-game fight at all, plain and simple
unreal viper
Adopt the thorium standard.
sand umbra
Terraria boss design as a whole is a mixed bag but has a tendency towards very simple boss fights
tawny garden
_(ツ)_/¯
unreal viper
Thunder bird is a fun fight.
weak field
Moonlord be like
sand umbra
GTB is good
weak field
Yeah
sand umbra
a good example of what an early-game fight should be
not too hard, but not too simple/easy either
weak field
GTB actually got me the first time fighting it
With a manageable pattern
Slow pacing
And upbeat music
sand umbra
to this day it still stands as one of the best bosses Thorium has to offer
and now I'll let it sink in that you're supposed fight the Grand Thonker Bird before KS
you know, before the literal simplest boss in the game
weak field
Grand thonker birb 
sand umbra
anywho, as to how this relates to the DS sugg
so we know that KS is a fat slime that occasionally teleports and sometimes spawns minions when damaged, right?
tawny garden
mhm
sand umbra
well, DS is around the same tier, what does it do?
- fat worm
- sometimes spawns minions after being damaged enough
- sometimes, in Rev+ only, fires sand blasts
- at the start of the fight, in Rev+ only, summons two smaller versions of itself which are no more interesting than the main one
do you see where I'm going with this?
tawny garden
so you're saying that DS is just wormy KS
sand umbra
yes
DS is effectively the KS of Calamity
he's oversimplified for his tier and it hurts the fight immensely
tawny garden
aight, meme picture incoming
tawny garden
not here tho
sand umbra
this is a very serious discussion about boss complexity
tawny garden
prolly will stay forever on my pc
sleek turret
I just thinked a blue & cyan with a crown DS worm for some reason after you said that.
sand umbra
DM it to me tbf
but like
the main problem with King Slime, and by extension with the Desert Scourge, is that they are entirely too simple aven at their tier to properly display the potential of boss fights in the game at large
this not only sets a terrible precedent which both vanilla and Calamity keep up when they shouldn't, but it actively makes boss-fighting less of a display of skill and more of a gear check
throughout the entire game, with but a few exceptions, this concept of "simple is better" is kept up despite that simply not being the case
weak field
Why do you type so fast thomas
sand umbra
don't worry about it
weak field
King slime and EoC are both really simple boss
As long as you got the gears, almost anyone can beat them
sand umbra
oh yeah, EoC isn't really safe from this either
weak field
A hermes boots + slime mount and EoC is a piece of cake
Uh, I mean cake
Sorry messed up there
sand umbra
EoC's phase change in any difficulty including Calamity's makes literally no noticeable difference (aside from one (1) jump/fall in Rev+) and for the most part it's just a Demon Eye spawning smaller Demon Eyes and dashing at set intervals
weak field
And the dash almost never hit you as long as you get a hermes boots
sand umbra
the problem with these bosses aren't the Rev+ adjustments to them
those, comparatively speaking, are very good as additions to the base concepts
the issue lies in the fact that KS and EoC, as bosses, both suck
weak field
They're a bit more like minibosses
sand umbra
and DS tries to follow this standard, which causes it to suck as a result
weak field
And even the dreadnauilous thing is harder than them relatively
Which shouldn't be the case because they're called bosses
sand umbra
so, to make a long story short, the Desert Scourge --- and by extension, the Rev+ incarnations of King Slime and the Eye of Cthulhu --- could use a bit more complexity in their fights to actually test the player's ability to work with what they have and be able to be classed as proper boss fights
left ice
The early bosses are meant to be easy, though. It states that in the doc in the pins, too.
golden narwhal
I mean, don't think he's asking to directly buff it, just make it more interesting
hollow shell
"just because it has to be easy doesn't mean it has to be boring."
I have said this exact quote about DS elsewhere
left ice
Personally, I found it enjoyable, but to each their own, I suppose.
unreal viper
Yeah, I don't think it should be that hard.
hollow shell
(I have a new DS attack idea in particular.
I don't know how possible/easy it is but I've got it written down)
tawny garden
tell us
dapper coral
(spooky dev secret story time)
hollow shell
(No too specific for here, only devs can see 👀 )
left ice
yes am dev 100% real and legit pls tell no lie
tawny garden
Join me on my secret expedition to find Noel Edmonds Rover's secret filing cabinet!
(obscure reference)
dapper coral
i personally don't think reworking titan heart is a good idea because of how unique it is
but another alternative is fine, yeah
hollow shell
I don't think it's bad for an armor to force you into a certain playstyle
Makes playthroughs more dynamic and interesting
unreal viper
Is Titan heart better than Daedalus for stealth rogue btw?
radiant merlin
crude geode
Something kinda internally irks me about the Desert Scourge suggestion. I get it’s reasoning and logic, and I can see why it would be good, but something about it just bothers me.
I think it may be the usage of “Rework”, because I don’t think the entire fight needs to be overhauled, but that’s maybe just me.
violet dagger
The main reason i agree with that sugg
is that it'll get the calam haters to shut up
violet dagger
It's really funny when they hate on a boss for having a clone ai when the boss has been that way since like 2016
dont even get me started on people saying old duke is clone ai 
unreal viper
Duke is less similar to old duke than he is to yharon.
unreal viper
uh
violet dagger
it was a message saying that old dukes ai was coded from scratch
obligatory inb4 this gets off topic
unreal viper
FLamethrowers can crit right?
pine star
Yes
unreal viper
Does anyone know why it's like this?
hollow shell
I assumed it was to support the flamethrower class more cuz of its relative lack of content
unreal viper
Nah, why the damage value is different.
hollow shell
Yeah that's what I mean
unreal viper
Oh?
But it don't think it has more dps iirc.
Cause I think it isn't multiplicative.
Whereas other shroomite helmets give multiplicative damage.
dapper coral
hit enter a bit fast there?
sand umbra
hasn't this been suggested to death?
and didn't absolutely nothing happen each time?
:v
novel belfry
:<
radiant meadow
shroomite flamethrower helm isn't multiplicative like the other helms
novel belfry
well this never felt familiar
radiant meadow
I think it got changed when a lot of crit got shafted when the crit/dmg caps were removed
crude geode
The Rogue Helmet for Forbidden was a dedicated item so don't use that as an example, and the Shroomite Flamethrower helm is also for a specific subclass of ranged.
hollow shell
Yeah don't ping Fabsol in the sugg channel
radiant meadow
accusatory
mental perch
Yeah I know I pinged somebody important. I'll live with my choice. I don't plan on doing it regularly, which was the only rule I saw anything against: Excessive pinging of staff.
hollow shell
(Also I don't think the filesize of the mod relates directly at all to the in-game performance)
Also no that's not what we mean
It's just not how the suggestion channels work
mental perch
Gotta give me that it was the closest channel to what I was trying to say.
Ya don't really have a "feedback" channel xd
hollow shell
You put a suggestion into #suggestions-posting where it'll get evaluated and approved by mods (or auto by the bot)
then put into #suggestions-voting where people vote on it with ⭐ reactions
And if you get enough reactions, it gets delivered to the dev server so the devs can officially see it and categorize it
tis a process, the feedback ain't instant
mental perch
Sowwy :c
hollow shell
If there are any specific areas where you're experiencing significant framerate issues you can report it in #bugs-read-pins (iirc)
mental perch
When used with tmod64, and any block from calamity is on the screen / near being on the screen.
fossil finch
That's definitively not a Calamity problem
Texture sizes don't actually matter
What matter is resolution
hollow shell
Quite unstable, 64 is.
mental perch
Funny, I heard the opposite from the tmod64 server.
That calamity was quite unoptimized
lmao
hollow shell
That is funny
mental perch
It's highly likely that both are true tho
hollow shell
It's possible
radiant meadow
that being said, if you want to salvage this, you would need to reformat it and make it sound less accusatory
hollow shell
I do think this'll fit more with the bugs channel though
Lag whenever there's a Calamity block on the screen sounds like a technical issue
even if it's only when 64bit is used
mental perch
Oh, and whenever a boss is alive and <calamity is installed Or when a bunch of other mods are installed>
earnest vine
the more mods obviously gives more lag
mental perch
Yeah, but why selectively when a boss is alive.
earnest vine
because bosses run a lot of things each frame
hollow shell
Could be some disgusting conflict involving the Boss Zen buff
edgy sundial
maybe it's one of the "bunch of other mods" that's doing it?
earnest vine
so the computer takes longer to do the things it needs to do for each frame
mental perch
@earnest vine Yes the thing is the issue occurs specifically in 64bit and not 32 bit with the same mods :\
radiant meadow
if you don't plan on salvaging the sugg, you should delete it and move to a more appropriate channel
mental perch
@radiant meadow I might when I get a little more sleep. Tomorrow.
earnest vine
but that wont stop lag
hollow shell
I'll delete it for now
earnest vine
of the low fps type
hollow shell
Here's the content:
I'd like to ask that you somehow improve the performance of the mod... I mean I know it is a ton of content, but I'm sure there are places where this could be improved upon :\
Even little things like using a lossless png compressor would add up at the size the mod is.
hollow shell
(It's right there above you)
mental perch
if you know what i mean
mental perch
It's the thought that counts. Sorry for not going through the suggestions process xd
hollow shell
It's alright. Now you know.
mental perch
Btw is it actually necessary for calamity to hide the assets from TMod Reader?
hollow shell
Oh are they actually hidden now?
mental perch
As of the version I was using which may be outdated but yeah
hollow shell
Thank god
Devs were pissed when they found out they weren't hidden
radiant meadow
Is that just images?
mental perch
Images + Audio
hollow shell
Ah no code?
mental perch
I understand the audio, the images tho...
radiant meadow
I'm pretty sure there's 2 different booleans you can check
one to hide images & audio
and one to hide code
mental perch
^
hollow shell
Do we hide both or just one
mental perch
Both, apparently
hollow shell
Okay, got it
I spose it wouldn't be a bad thing to unhide the image & audio assets
Not much reason to unhide them, no reason to keep em hidden either
mental perch
Btw I believe you can manually specify it for each file too. Not sure on that tho...
Don't quote me on that either.
wooden wedge
what's this latest sugg?
violet dagger
it was a sugg about a tml 64 bit issue
but it got resolved
they just pinged fabsol before edit and they want to leave it there since ghost ping bad
wooden wedge
ghost pings don't even really exist since we can see deleted messages
so should I just yeet it?
hollow idol
Images you can just get with toolkit anyways (tho much slower)
violet dagger
wot
mental perch
@wooden wedge I mean, I can't do anything to stop ya lol
wooden wedge
yeha ok then
mental perch
There was no reason tho
edgy sundial
other than it not being a proper suggestion, other than the possibility that it'd get pushed by the bot on accident, i agree, there was no reason
hollow shell
Well we coulda/shoulda put a ❗ on it to prevent that possibility
winged fiber
Question, are rusted pipes really only craftable with iron?
What about lead worlds?
radiant meadow
fixed next update
winged fiber
Okay, good
unreal viper
You’ll need more reasoning, but I guess you accidentally sent it.
violet dagger
just gotta get the hang of it
unreal viper
Is there anything about her that’s unfair?
violet dagger
not really
violet dagger
except for the fact that a lot of people do big brain like me and get her enraged and then are like why tf is this so hard
cobalt pewter
No details, no reasoning, no formatting
violet dagger
is anyone going to mark it
cobalt pewter
@mental nacelle add details to your sugg, give it a proper reason, and make it in a proper formatting
mental nacelle
k
whole sedge
Yeah I don't see anything wrong with PBG, to me the fight seems kinda easy but that's probably just because i've fought PBG on death like 30 times 
hollow shell
@mental nacelle Were you fighting her aboveground
mental nacelle
yea
dapper coral
which embed?
hollow shell
Voting
haughty owl
That counter scarf idea actually looks amazing
west garden
: D
left wigeon
I hope that one goes through with enough votes tbh
dry latch
nothing has gone through for a week
dry latch
one more week of waiting I guess
hollow shell
m
I'll do the official star req re-evaluation on the 24th/25th
3 weeks from the raising (and the last tally)
Original plan was a month but I don't wanna wait another week and I think we have enough data by now
("now" as in 4 days from now)
dry latch
will it affect suggs retroactively?
hollow shell
Yes, I plan on having that be the case at least.
dry latch
cobalt pewter
Aha yes
dapper coral
this is an interesting sugg
cobalt pewter
Another stealth sugg
dapper coral
is it possible?
whole sedge
idk if that's gonna be possible
cobalt pewter
But yeah, would love to see that happen, but imo it'd be unlikely
hollow shell
This would probably be hard to execute unless we make all homing into universal helper functions instead of being defined every time
which iirc Ozza was planning on doing or is in the process of doing
left wigeon
yeah i've been a little fixated on stealth because of coming back to rogue
left wigeon
i am not a coder so i am unsure how difficult it would be
hollow shell
I think it is possible
dapper coral
alright, well operating on the assumption that it is possible then i see no issues with this one
left wigeon
west garden
THe main problem for that is disguinshing what homes and what doesn't ig
It could ig happen y attaching a "global" method for homing to projectiles, and maybe use some op codes and reflection to alter the function when in full stealth
hollow shell
Riiight, vanilla projectiles are gonna suck for this
west garden
Or just make it in built in the method that if the player is in full stealth then alter
easy way for that system is attach a variale to the turn resistance of the home effect, to just increase by a certain amount if in stealth
yeah vanilla....
Are there really that many homing projectiles in vanilla?
if theres not many, someone could take the time to IL each projectile that homes
It would be great of vanilla homing items had a homogenous aiStyle
but I dont think thats the case
hollow shell
I know ML's Phantasmal Eyes and the Ragged Caster's Lost Souls (I think?)
Does the latter even home or am I getting it confused with the staff?
Okay they do home
uhh Desert Spirit flames
uhh those things spat out by Drakomire, and Evolution Beast
west garden
dont know how balanced it would be if youd want the effect to be noticable
hmm
maybe if it goes through you can compile them in a list and send it to me. Ill have a go at it
Or to the devs
hollow shell
Considering it's stealth and it's expended whenever you attack
I feel like the effect should be very noticeable
hollow shell
I don't think I could make an exhaustive list, I dunno all vanilla projectile behaviors by heart
tepid root
lc fireballs and shadowflame balls have slight homing
hollow shell
Oh right uhh
Skeletron's Expert+ skulls
left wigeon
i could edit the suggestion to make a post-moonlord accessory that adds this, such as dark gods sheath and such
don't know if that would help since then it would just be modded
hollow shell
You could mention that in a sentence or two as an alternative/additional course of action
I don't think the whole sugg needs to be reworked to that
left wigeon
right, okay
gusty geode
I didn't even know the engine was capable of stuff like that physics scarf
Now I wanna see if it'd be possible to add full-on ragdoll physics to this game
left wigeon
immediately thought of the overhaul mod
gusty geode
Yeah, Overhaul adds stuff like the new item physics
But nothing with multiple bones
left wigeon
it might be possible but I'm not a coder, though some crazy things have already been implemented so maybe
gusty geode
That'd be pretty satisfying to watch tbh
You kill EoC
And instead of just exploding right then and there
You get to watch as its full body stops floating and rolls down a mountain or something
Then you could like build a memorial wherever the corpse stops
hollow shell
puh
I mean that would just entail replacing all of his gores with one big full gore, right?
worthy fiber
frail mantle
should probably specify that you mean enemy projectiles in the header, at first i thought you meant that stealth should make the player's projectiles home less
swift wharf
wasnt there a ''no waifu'' pin or smth
gray nebula
i dont rmemeber any
swift wharf
its old
marble phoenix
well still
swift wharf
when there was one suggestion channel
marble phoenix
My suggesion is a good one for people who wanna change the sprites to current or older versions
marble phoenix
Ye
serene fox
Isn't that a don't?
tawny garden
tf is this
serene fox
it's in the doc
tepid root
why would you want the old sprites tho
robust lava
First of all, adding in removed content is a nono, and secondly, your sugg doesn’t even imply that’s what you’re asking for
marble phoenix
For Cloud Elemental mainly
tawny garden
the sugg in its current state actually isn't a don't, aside from dodgy formatting
although it's leaning towards being a meme sugg
marble phoenix
But i want a combo of older and newer sprites for proper customization of you playthrough
robust lava
In its current form, I don’t even know what the sugg is suggesting
cobalt pewter
The way it's worded there, it's massively vague
But old sprites are a no
As well as older content
marble phoenix
I just want sprite swap for the Elementals (Sprite Swap is changing the current look of a sprite without removing anything)
tawny garden
I understand the sugg, it's just...
begging to be a new don't
robust lava
We're not saying that removing something is a don't, we're saying that adding back in removed content is a don't
tawny garden
there's no reasoning btw
robust lava
There would have been a reason the sprites were changed
tawny garden
there was a reason
prev. sprites were weirder
marble phoenix
Well i like the old Cloud Elemental Sprite
untold cargo
if it was rejected most likely it would be again
tawny garden
I was gonna say something, but I don't wanna sound rude
tawny garden
Any suggestions involving re-adding removed features or sprites
these aren't allowed
The End.
ashen warren
mental perch
@radiant meadow I did it there, you happy? 🙂
tawny garden
uhh, is it really possible
this game is the jankiest thing ever
and I believe the devs are doing a good job already at making it not jank
although when I tried to use the new subsuming vortex yesterday my game slowed down by a factor of 2
and I have a GTX 1070 and a Core i7 6700
which isn't too bad
west garden
Its like telling a smoker to stop smoking.
They know its wrong but it's harder to stop than you
'd think
Terrible analogy
mental perch
Terrible yet immensely accurate analogy.
tawny garden
uhh, what does this pertain to?
mental perch
Suggesting a dev improve performance is similar to telling a smoker to stop smoking.
west garden
byeah, I think it would be more usefull if youd be more specific towards certain things that make the game lag
mental perch
In more ways than one is it similar:
- It is hard to stop doing it or to start improving performance
- Also, degrading performance is part of being a developer, as smoking is part of being a smoker
west garden
precisely
tawny garden
it's not degrading perfrmance on purpose tho
just that if you bodge something (which this game does pretty much everywhere), performance won't be great
west garden
Everyone knows laginess and stuff is bad
its only helpful if you tell them what causes it
west garden
bodge?
tawny garden
can't be done
west garden
o
tawny garden
mental perch
That keyboard is not ok
distant gyro
it's easier said than done for sure
imagine leviathan being made into a plain static square
that would save a whole 1 MB of texture
tawny garden
I sense a new emoji
distant gyro
(yes she's that large)
distant gyro
byeah no one would do it because imagine fighting a literal moving square with no textures
tawny garden
those who've seen redcode will understand why I brought up that video
redcode is patched together, but it works
until it breaks, then it needs to be bodged again
and then it works
until it breaks
cycle repeats
west garden
bodge
timber cipher
i am just learning python coding for data science.... this sounds exactly like my learning process.
cobalt pewter
b o d g e
ripe stream
@mental perch i agree, i really do, but at this point its impossible for the devs to rewrote most of the code for that
Rewrite*
cobalt pewter
wdym?
ripe stream
Wrong person sorry
cobalt pewter
ripe stream
Lol
sleek turret
@noble turret you gotta have a reason why.
cobalt pewter
And a proper formatting
tawny garden
even if the reason is obvious, you gotta have it
tawny garden
in the sugg
sleek turret
and also don't make the reason "It would be cool"
cobalt pewter
Also if you're talking about spectre hood, iirc it always targets the player with the lowest health
Not sure about other sources
But it's always the case with spectre heal
noble turret
mostly just lifesteal ing eneral
sleek turret
Uhm, could you format better the text @noble turret ?
tawny garden
(don't double ping if you can)
sleek turret
Also maybe there's something on the Terraria code for lifesteal, but im not sure about it.
mental perch
@noble turret Supposedly you should post them in #suggestions-voting first :x
tawny garden
wh
cobalt pewter
?
mental perch
The suggestions
tawny garden
uhh
mental perch
As opposed to directly posting them in #suggestions-posting
cobalt pewter
Um
mental perch
Or did I get that backwards smh
tawny garden
if you post a sugg straight into voting, i'll be impressed
tawny garden
@mental perch you're 4 months too late
#suggestions-posting didn't exist before the 20th of april
and you posted straight into #suggestions-voting (which was called just #suggestions at the time)
mental perch
No i did not!
tawny garden
but now #suggestions-posting exists as an intermediary step
robust lava
Philo's just saying how it used to be done, not accusing you of anything
robust lava
~~should've used "one" ~~
hollow shell
The first four, fine
but Giant Pearl seems like a strange inclusion
left ice
Yeah, I wasn't sure to include it or not, but it does buff light level in the abyss, so I decided to.
weak field
Life heal is supposed to heal the one with the lowest health
Which is why spectre armor can be the healer in a pvp fight
hollow shell
Pretty sure there are a lot more accs than that which have those functions
Anything with underwater breathing or movement will slow breath loss, and many equippable things that emit light will raise the light level
left ice
Yeah, but I tried to keep anything thematically similar that also wasn't used in anything else. That's why there wasn't neptune's shell or anything of that sort.
hearty yew
@mental perch I sit down and optimize things. What, you think it's poison to us? I enjoy improving performance, it's fun to make things fast.
earnest vine
I agree, its fun to optimize programs
mental perch
@hearty yew Sssh... You get what I meant though. That adding things inherently lowers performance.
earnest vine
well you cant do much about that though
the more content you add, the more things need to be stored on memory and the more laggier it gets
and I dont think cal is badly optimized, you cant even imagine how something of this scale would be in the most unoptimized way
hazy bluff
My god please lower the star amount, this is like the dark ages of suggestions or something
frail mantle
it most likely will be lowered eventually
cobalt pewter
robust lava
He could just give it to you if you interact with him?
tawny garden
fair, yea
clever raft
Does the guide say anything about calamity?
robust lava
I like this sugg, but my only concern would be that people just would ignore the guide (at least for a while) since they might not know about it
robust lava
I imagine most people will interact with the Guide fairly early on in their playthrough though, so that may not be much of a problem
ashen warren
On Youtube!
robust lava
Or actually, the Guide could have that exclamation mark above his head that Calamity adds
cobalt pewter
To be honest talking to Guide for the first time should do it
gray nebula
let him sit in his corner of uselessness instead of forcing people to interact with him
tawny garden
pine star
To make him more likable
violet dagger
Guide is a cooler dude than elderbug in that one randomizer
radiant meadow
I dunno how to edit the help quotes
robust lava
(I mainly like this because it would fix mod conflicts where Calamity's bag gets overwritten/overwrites other mods)
clever raft
In 1.4, doesn't the party girl give you a cake the first time you interact with her during a party? That could indeed apply to the guide
tawny garden
(I mainly like this because it would fix mod conflicts where Calamity's bag gets overwritten/overwrites other mods)
just override the Copper Shortsword with the bag
problem solved
although memes won't let us do that
radiant meadow
Mp would be massively fucked then
As nice as it would be to just ignore mp, we can't
See fuel factories, anahita, astrum deus, etc
hollow shell
Is this a result of his recent arena-size based partial-enrage?
dapper coral
that's what it sounds like to me
cobalt pewter
Yes
That specific buff woulda been fine
If the boss itself doesn't have such a lot of bullets going around randomly like blind sheeps
violet dagger
According to celest(the moderator) polter only goes slower in smaller arenas, not faster in big arenas
hollow shell
That's not how it works in code
But, maybe that was compensated for when designing the system
distant gyro
it's both relatively speaking to last update
cobalt pewter
@supple lodge Signus is the only one that worked the best amongst the three, as it's almost close to assassinating Providence
Hence why you spawn Signus in hell as well
supple lodge
but isn't he still just as much an envoy as the other two
violet dagger
storm weaver is baby doggo
and cv shouldn't exist
but it does bc doggo screwed up
cobalt pewter
That too
supple lodge
the fact that he has a title and the others don't is still inconsistent though
cobalt pewter
Storm Weaver has no sentience and is still primal
chilly solstice
Ceaseless Void is not even remotely human anymore. That leaves Signus as the most "competent"
He's also the toughest to fight
cobalt pewter
And I'd assume Signus was DoG's first and the best Sentinel
While DoG keeps SW to keep its species alive, and CV just wanders around aimlessly
craggy stratus
was my abyssal mirror suggestion removed
tawny garden
chilly solstice
On a side note, where can one find the extensive lore on all bosses? Really interested in DoG and Sentinels
craggy stratus
ah, wasnt it more of a bug than an actual suggestion
tawny garden
On a side note, where can one find the extensive lore on all bosses? Really interested in DoG and Sentinels
[[Lore]]
red stormBOT
tawny garden
it's taken from the Calamity Forum thread btw
which is the only source of the official calamity lore
dapper coral
there's also a doc pinned in #lore-discussion with all current lore afaik
hollow shell
If you think about it, "Storm Weaver" and "Ceaseless Void" aren't proper names
They are titles
hollow shell
Putting Signus's title in his name alongside his proper name aligns him more with the others
tawny garden
shorten it to "Envoy of the Devourer"
gray nebula
yeah most boss names are just titles
sinful steeple
If Signus didn't have "Envoy of the Devourer" in his boss name he'd be like the boss with the single most boring name
sinful steeple
I was gonna sugg that after the drought 
hollow shell
Decreased defense is increased damage taken, Feedza.
sinful steeple
Also I think it should definitely be increased damage taken, because what happens if you have little to no DR?
sinful steeple
That may be true but 10 less defence calcs to like 7 more damage taken
red stormBOT
sinful steeple
Which is effectively not a cost honestly
dapper coral
it can be, yeah
ashen warren
Add quagmire toilet as a boss
dapper coral
no
tawny garden
hollow shell
Refrain from memeing in these channels
sinful steeple
What does that even mean
ashen warren
Lol
tawny garden
byeah defense can't be negative, but DR can
dapper coral
defense can also be negative, actually
sinful steeple
Defence can't be negative? I've seen negative defence
ashen warren
How would that even work
cobalt pewter
Hm alrighty
dapper coral
drunk princess drinks reduce your defense
cobalt pewter
Reworded my sugg
ashen warren
Negitive defense wouldnt even work
dapper coral
so if you have less than 20 defense, and use everclear, for example, you have negative defense
tawny garden
ah, the wiki was wrong then
hollow shell
iirc negative defense just skyrockets the damage you take, right?
dapper coral
whether it does anything, i don't know
weak field
Negative defense increase dmg taken
ashen warren
That wouldnt make sense you take more damage then 0 defend then
tawny garden
I believed the wrong info on the wiki 
tawny garden
If the player somehow has negative defense, they will take more damage according to the damage taken added with half / three quarter /full amount the defense.
hollow shell
You get hit for 50 damage in Normal mode
If you have 10 defense, you take 45 damage
If you have -10 defense, you take 55 damage
(I recalled some weird behavior about the damage bein way higher but that might have been for DR)
sinful steeple
Yeah thought it might work like that
ashen warren
How do you get negative defense bruh
tawny garden
nice
hollow shell
I see
tawny garden
Mrrp's pin still says
- Only post one or two suggestions at a time. We do enjoy all the ideas, but with the amount of people in the server, it can become overwhelming. If you want to suggest a complete overhaul to a certain mechanic or item group, put it in a document and post that instead.
for some reason
cobalt pewter
Also if there's an official term for what I described, please do tell
cobalt pewter
@tawny garden seems like it's intended more for a string of suggs with a similar grand scheme behind them
While my last 4 suggs are unrelated to each other
cobalt pewter
Idk, perfectly clear to me
tawny garden
so it applies to everything
cobalt pewter
Take thomas' sugg about evil islands
If he'd break the doc down and post multiple msgs of them there
It'd count into the rule
tawny garden
that's the thing with rules
you gotta take them at face value
dapper coral
essentially, just save some ideas for another day if you've already posted like 3 or 4
cobalt pewter
also my last sugg would be nice for my own mod
tawny garden
btw, breadcrumbs's sugg should be exclamated
radiant meadow
Done
cobalt pewter
pog
tawny garden
that's why many suggs in the same day is bad
sometimes things are missed
cobalt pewter
Missed, as in?
tulip bronze
hey ben, can you go and read the bug report i sent on #bugs-read-pins?
@radiant meadow
cobalt pewter
If you mean reviewing them, non-exclamated suggs will be automatically yeeted into voting anyway
tawny garden
no, I mean exclamating them
tawny garden
bad suggs can be drowned out
that hasn't happened yet, but
it eventually will
a bad sugg will get into voting
weak field
We need downvotes
radiant meadow
Then it can be deleted
unreal viper
Dude, I would love moonwalking.
radiant meadow
No big deal
tawny garden
We need downvotes
that's a don't
unreal viper
That would be really sick.:
weak field
I think moonwalking is true for most vanilla true melee autoswing sword
unreal viper
That’s how I beat skeletron true melee, it really helps.
radiant meadow
Moonwalking is better than autoswing for an acc feature iirc
radiant meadow
see 1.4 titan glove