You did.
#suggestions-discussion
heady storm
sleek turret
Sorry for being too late, uhm soo we have Elemental Thrower suggestion then.
Elemental Thrower itself does a balanced damage, also because it has a different i-frames thingy that makes the weapon do more damage than a normal flamethrower.
hollow shell
Cat will be back tomorrow with test proof
He said it was doing poor damage against even King Slime
sleek turret
Oh, I have Elemental Blaster too, itself at its tier is a good weapon, a good DPS dealer against Providence.
But boosting it 300 damage it would be like a flamethrower disguised as a pistol.
hollow shell
uhh I think @cobalt pewter could clarify what he means by "thin beams" better
I assume he means like, Valkyrie Ray beams
Phantasmal Deathray variety
but only uses the word "beam" which can easily be used to describe a moving projectile
cobalt pewter
I'm not sure what to officially call Phantasmal Deathray
But basically that yes
Albeit much thinner
hollow shell
"instant beams" I guess would differentiate them from the projectiles
hollow shell
aight
cobalt pewter
Aight done
Unless dog can damage you by himself, I still think current laser wall is easy
And doing that wouldn't be pretty
So I'd say just buff the laser wall
swift frost
Ive seen a lot of problems with monoliths not existing
radiant meadow
Have you encountered the issue yourself?
swift frost
And its a logical thing to think of to make as to why so many people do not have it spawn at all.
foggy plover
doesnt it not generate in mp
swift frost
I havent currently.
foggy plover
or did that get fixed
radiant meadow
don't make a suggestion based off of assumptions
ashen warren
I'll do a bit of mythbusting just to make sure
heady storm
If we mean the astral monolith that spawns with the beacon, I've had it spawn in the sky once.
ashen warren
Okay after only a few tests I can confirm that the monolith not spawning in the desert is false
swift frost
I realised that myself too
Mine spawned on the edge of a sulphur sea
With barely any dirt
ashen warren
My first test had it spawn near the sulph sea too and it made a living tree a bit wonky
swift frost
And another user posted a quote to a comment that stated the astral dirt thing with an image attached with a desert astral
So no thats wrong and im a fucking blind fool
Hmm.Then what causes the monolith to not even spawn?
sinful steeple
I don't think anything does
I've seen images of the monolith being in the sky for some reason, I'd imagine it's probably in the sky when it seems to not spawn
edgy pagoda
yooo my thing got onto suggestion bot
ancient crow
...
that is how it works
as long as it isn't a don't, it gets posted by the bot in #suggestions-voting
edgy pagoda
oh
tawny garden
dev discussions happen at a completely different server
gray nebula
thanks god
also lol
how tf would that work without spoiling secret stuff
putting devs in a display box for everyone to see is also kinda weird
tawny garden
also like
that still puts pressure on the devs
gray nebula
i mean yes and htat doesnt work at all anyways
because the dev server has lots of channels etc
@timber cipher not doable at all
heady storm
^
tawny garden
is the sugg still valid tho?
hm, I guess it would be a grand-scale rework to implement
cobalt pewter
Eh, idk, it does seem a bit complicated
tawny garden
so, a ❗ has to be issued
gray nebula
yes no its
cobalt pewter
Plus making spoilers a bit more common accomplishes the similar goal
heady storm
Instant reject even if it passes the star count.
gray nebula
we dont care wether its valid or not because its so utterly not doable
tawny garden
if it ever goes to voting, the Mission Impossible soundtrack would be playing
gray nebula
also uh #ad but the patreon server has spoilers and direct discussion with the devs
tawny garden
lol
cobalt pewter
That's a massive #ad there
gray nebula
tawny garden
@timber cipher if you want to discuss stuff directly with the devs, give them money first
heady storm
Normal check in, any suggs have an issue rn? Besides the ones checked ofc.
tawny garden
Shades doesn't fully explain why mana reduction specifically
instead of just a general buff
but I lowkey want the sugg to be implemented so I don't care too much
golden narwhal
Shades could also specify why arcane is useless
heady storm
@still cliff read above please, incase you don't make it here's your sugg however.
A suggestion about making the Arcane modifier a bit more useful.
Add a mana reduction (1%, less or more), just like you did to the Warding,Hard, Guarding, etc modifiers by adding a small percentage of damage reduction.
Well, a lot of people are saying that the Arcane modifier in later game is kinda useless, so why not adding a mana reduction to make it a little bit better?.
Adding a mana use reduction stat does sound pretty cool though.
cobalt pewter
Yeah, it's an interesting idea
Can't be too big of value tho or mage gon be even more busted
still cliff
Well in late game you gain mana from armor sets etc, so the Arcane modifier will not affect your maximum mana because there is a mana capacity.
golden narwhal
Yes, add that to the sugg
still cliff
Done
Also, I saw that CrabBar had also suggested a mana reduction thing, does that mean my sugg will get rejected either way?
still cliff
Oh ok
tawny garden
I guess the exclamation needs to be removed now
also if you could explain why you specifically talk about mana reduction, that'd be great
rn it's implied, but not actually stated
I guess mana reduction stays close to the original purpose of the modifier
still cliff
I did, I changed it a minute ago
tawny garden
I guess that works
still cliff
Mhm
tawny garden
@heady storm exclamation removal request pending
heady storm
Done, thanks for pinging me Philo. 
swift wharf
I think the Fallen Paladin's Hammer should be buffed
Pwnagehammer got reworked and stuff
and its upgrade (fallen pal) is way weaker than it
and you get it post golem
sinful steeple
I agree. The fallen paladin's hammer has killed me more than a few times
swift wharf
Maybe left click works like Pwnage but better and right click as a regular boomerang
sinful steeple
It's got really high knockback and returns to you really fast so it can launch things into your skull
tawny garden
Traveling Merchant selling what you want 
hollow shell
a bit late but
@left ice You may want to specify in your top line the classes that currently lack those bonuses
Considering 3/5 of them already have em
left ice
By top line do you mean the bolded portion or the reasoning?
hollow shell
The bolded portion
Its wording implies you want it applied to all the classes, though this would only add it to 2
left ice
That's true.
Think "One all-around boost for melee and rogue proficiency levels, similar to the one all-around boost that mage/summoner/ranger have" works?
hollow shell
Yes that's fine
hearty yew
can I just add 2% magic damage and 1% magic crit to arcane and call it a day
or perhaps -4% Mana usage
Either one works really
But I think it would compete better with other (aka damage) prefixes for mages specifically if it had magic specific damage stats on it
hollow shell
Mana usage would be the most fitting
tawny garden
I think they meant mana usage
tawny garden
is it possible?
hearty yew
not sure.
cobalt pewter
I thought of reworking arcane to mana regen like the pots
But mana usage is a good way to do it as well
sleek turret
mana usage is useful, since:
"Imagine using a 30 mana weapon per click"
foggy plover
god removing the mana cap would make balancing apoc array and ion blaster such a pain
hearty yew
those weapons would simply be reworked
cobalt pewter
Or just use % of remaining mana if possible
radiant meadow
% would be better
sleek turret
yeah
hollow shell
(I thought it already was %)
tawny garden
check in the source
hollow shell
(nah it is based on actual mana amount, I just had a misconception)
tawny garden
so it does less damage when you have less max mana?
that's a very strange way to design a weapon
hollow shell
No it has nothing to do with max mana (directly)
Just your current mana
If you have more max mana, then your current mana can be higher
tawny garden
and so will be the max damage output
hollow shell
Yes
unreal viper
I like it being based on the absolute amount of mana cause I like that it creates synergy with certain gear,
What is the max mana cap btw?
tawny garden
each of these adds 50 to the cap
hollow shell
"but 350 is granted by permanent upgrades"
350?
tawny garden
you have 150 from cal upgrades and 180 from Mana Crystals
hollow shell
yeah
dapper coral
i wonder if raising the cap would cause problems with not being able to see mana stars due to resolution? unless the amount of mana per star increases accordingly
tawny garden
4K flex from me incoming
unreal viper
frick
earnest vine
yeah compared with 720p which I still have its huge
tawny garden
earnest vine
thats terraria's bad on making it in XNA instead of unity
which coud've had same zoom levels for everyone
tawny garden
although I set Terraria to 1080p a lot cause calamity UI doesn't scale
earnest vine
pretty much nothing scales in XNA
sleek turret
1366x768 resolution, seems to be that when higher than 300 the mana meter stops growing.
But it doens't stop counting.
frail mantle
meme sugg moment
hollow shell
I mean
tawny garden
@glossy needle you gotta have a reason
glossy needle
ok got it
tawny garden
also read pins and the doc
sleek turret
what did it suggest?
dapper coral
that being said, this could maybe be a proper sugg if you can come up with decent reasoning? maybe?
tawny garden
what did it suggest?
make a desc of some bee-related item say "bees"
tawny garden
(
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sleek turret
wasps 
radiant meadow
if a suggestion gets deleted, you don't need to ask about it. It's not your concern
earnest vine
ok sorry
radiant meadow
focus on the suggestions that are there
earnest vine
got it
tawny garden
to be fair, suggs that are quickly deleted are the bad ones anyway
radiant meadow
saving and exit resets the silva armor effect btw @chilly solstice
while I don't necessarily disagree there should be an ingame option, this one exists
it would be a good idea to at least acknowledge this
chilly solstice
Oh, I didn't know, thanks.
But saving and exiting kinda feels like exploiting, similar to saving and exiting to teleport at spawn
hollow shell
I agree with Jason
chilly solstice
Well, not really in case of the armor
But I don't think that it's the intended behaviour
hollow shell
It's weird to save & exit for something that should be an in-game convenience
tawny garden
That is true
chilly solstice
As the desc clearly states "once per life"
tbh IMO saving and exiting to get to spawn makes even more sense than saving and exiting to restore your max hp. I can imagine my character finding a way out of that deep cavern back to home. But this?? Like, why does the armor suddenly "forget" that its effect was used? I think it's a point for another suggestion to fix this, if it's even technically possible.
unreal star
just make it reset after like one in game day
plush pilot
Should I put suggestions for the discord server in #suggestions-posting ,too?
dapper coral
yep
plush pilot
Ok
swift wharf
I was thinking about more early game class armors
But
There is like, desert prowler
Snow ruffian
Are other armors planed or something?
I've started to see a patern
radiant meadow
no
swift wharf
Ah ok
hollow shell
Snow Ruffian was for rogue expansion
and Desert Prowler was cuz ranger gets fucked when it comes to pre-HM armors (iirc)
unreal viper
Melee one would def be nice, melee only really gets molten as a class specific one.
hollow shell
Perhaps yeah
ancient crow
ranger has necro but that's post skele, which means you have to get through quite a bit of prehm first
and there's fossil i guess but thats getting nerfed to hell in 1.4
hollow shell
m
The mirror evades work quite strangely (at least they did the last time I played, a few months back)
I don't know if it's been fixed
radiant meadow
I've given up on trying to fix those.
craggy stratus
unreal viper
Fossil is thrower.
radiant meadow
I wouldn't count necro as viable if you aren't counting shadow as viable
necro is only usable in vanilla because it's the only option
unique reef
Doesn't Aerospec have a summon helm?
wooden lance
i can get behind additional armour variety
unique reef
and Statigel?
wooden lance
aero and statigel summon are a funny joke
unique reef
ooohhhh
unique reef
i can say that the "generalized summon helms" in late game are meh
wooden lance
tarragon and bloodflare are okay but only brcausr you need them for psa
unique reef
the Blood flare mines suck
wooden lance
its less about the armor and more about getting to use psa
unique reef
they only work decent in stationary targets
wooden lance
bloodflare mines might as well not exist, but a bit more damage is better than tarragon armor
wooden lance
reworking bloodflare set bonus for summoner should be a sugg
wooden lance
silva is actually okay because the revive gives you 2 minions
so it gives it more slots than fearmonger
unique reef
The minion is literally a green Rainbow Crystal
wooden lance
the minion doesnt matter, what matters is the extra slot over fearmonger
plus a bit more damage is cool too
godslayer might as well not exist tho
wooden lance
L
distant gyro
correction* all of them suck
unique reef
yeah
distant gyro
who cares about god slayer kunai
unique reef
wish they didn't
unique reef
yeah
unreal viper
Reaver just steals ideas, at least the melee one.
unique reef
the blood flare could just be like Polter's little phantoms that shoot blue lasters at enemies
i could propose reworks for all 3 of those armors
on Summoner
wooden lance
i'd honestly appreciate having like 4 of the ethereal subjugator minions as a bloodflare set bonus
violet dagger
for doggo they sometimes hit him
and when u have the effect from auric it doesn't reach scal
wooden lance
i agree
violet dagger
i think most of that is all of the armors having the stealth tooltip confuse people
unique reef
well ,my idea is making those 3 post-polter armors more creative
distant gyro
nah
wooden lance
not having it has its own issues
summoner needs a dedicated armor set from dragonfolly tbh
distant gyro
the first thing that comes to mind for me is hydrothermic "you get inferno potion below half health"
violet dagger
by dedicated do u mean dedicated like donor or dedicated to summoner
wooden lance
shitty armor bonus but it dors stick out
unreal viper
Summoner class armor.
unique reef
yeah
wooden lance
yes
unique reef
a lot of the summoner armor set bonuses have trash minions
unreal viper
I think that shadow should be the true melee armor imo.
violet dagger
since that was a bit weird wording
unique reef
the Reaver one might as well not exist
wooden lance
shadow should lean into being fast
because that helps true melee most, yes
manfible claws shadow armor feral claws shenanigans
unique reef
i just feel like most of the hardmode summoner armors in general are terrible
unreal viper
Ye.
unique reef
the minions they spawn, i mean
wooden lance
maybe buff it enough to get mandible claws to use time 2
unreal viper
5 helmet armors were a mistake.
wooden lance
daedalus summon helmet is cool
unreal viper
At least for hardmode.
wooden lance
hydrothermic armor is cool for summoner too because the vent is incredibly strong
no not thr set
just the helmet
with spider chestpiece and forbidden robes
unreal viper
Mixed set time baby.
wooden lance
sand told me about that one, and its changed the way i play hardmode
unreal viper
Plaguebringer helmet > stardust one btw.
distant gyro
forbidden treads
wooden lance
set bonus sucks, is pb helm better than hydrothermic helm
unreal viper
Yes.
wooden lance
treads yes
unreal viper
Which is hella odd.
unique reef
the set bonuses need to be better
wooden lance
wait does that make forbidden robes better than stardust legs
wooden lance
because stardust legs give 1
unreal viper
Nah.
wooden lance
2?
unreal viper
yep.
wooden lance
alright fair enough
wooden lance
i thought it was 2 2 1 too
gotta check now
nope, sands right
1 2 2
so yes, take plaguebringe helm 100% of the time
wooden lance
fair enougj
unreal viper
brb, gonna make my document criticizing calamity's approach to armors.
wooden lance
bloodflare armor sucks for summon
distant gyro
because armor being only stats is not creative either albeit the relogic approach
wooden lance
even if its marginally better than tarragon from a dps perspective, its not good
distant gyro
it's many tiny things that make up 1 thing
wooden lance
i agree, what im saying is that polter mines just arent it chief
distant gyro
it should stick to polter phantom shooting mines like in the fight
wooden lance
id rather have some shit like 4 ethereal subjugator summons
wooden lance
or what he said because its more creative
crude heron
not for me
wooden wedge
the next update is in 2 days
crude heron
ok
wooden wedge
also bugs aren't for suggs
wooden lance
honestly i'd like to see tarragon get its slot back as a set bonus and also see the same done for bloodflare and god slayer (for consistency's sake, not that i think theres ever a reason to use it over fearmonger)
arctic notch
Move Astrum Deus to either Pre-Cultist, or Post-Moon Lord.
Why? Well, it doesn't make sense for anything but the lunar event to be between the Cultist and ML. Also, it's difficult to fight Deus without clearing at least a pillar as it stands.
Anyone got any feedback?
ancient crow
i mean i certainly agree with that
although i'm fairly sure the devs put it there for a reason
arctic notch
Probably not a good reason.
distant gyro
calamity bosses are placed between one vanilla boss and another
wooden lance
i wouldnt mind putting deus pre cultist, personally
arctic notch
So? That's a place where nothing but the Lunar Events should be.
distant gyro
the only exception is that there are two bosses between plantera and golem
and no boss between skeletron and queen bee
wooden lance
perfs are qb tier, so close enough tbh
wooden lance
deus got reworked, so it m8ght be easier to fight with less space
distant gyro
by that logic it's close enough to say that deus shouldn't exist
distant gyro
let's just yeet a boss across timespace
arctic notch
Deus should probably fit better Post ML, due to other godly beings being there.
ancient crow
honestly i think placing deus itself where it is is fine, the issue is that you get astral bars at the same time as lunar weps
arctic notch
Then pre-Cultist. Cultist is also a being blessed with godly powers.
cobalt pewter
tbh
wooden lance
cultist and deus are kinda similar
cobalt pewter
Astral armor needs a rework
wooden lance
both are ordinary creatures given godlike power
arctic notch
So it should be Pre-Cultist.
wooden lance
pre cultist, post cultist, doesnt matter to me
distant gyro
precultist is very busy
wooden lance
^
distant gyro
it has ravager and pbg on top of fishron
arctic notch
But it makes no sense for there to be anything between Cultist and ML.
distant gyro
on such a tiny power spike
arctic notch
The Lunar Events are there.
radiant meadow
pbg is pre fishron
distant gyro
the problem was that it's too short
radiant meadow
ravager is post fishron
arctic notch
The Lunar Events are a drag.
wooden lance
ravager is fishron tier
distant gyro
you beat cultist, pillar, fail to ml and beat deus, and do ml again
radiant meadow
For progression, wiki, and boss checklist purposes
arctic notch
If you're me, Fishron Tier is start of Hardmode.
radiant meadow
ravager is post fishron
wooden lance
you can fight deus pre mechs now cant you
arctic notch
Deus' spawner an be obtained start of HM?
wooden lance
thats wild
distant gyro
what's your point bringing that up
radiant meadow
Nohit rules give a little flexibility for some creativity and options
distant gyro
arctic notch
It was crossed out for a reason.
wooden lance
titan heart is a deus spawner
distant gyro
astral beacon is spawned right away and titan hearts can drop yes
arctic notch
Oh.
wooden lance
not just starcore anymore
arctic notch
I wasn't sure when Titan Hearts dropped.
wooden lance
now you know
tawny garden
The Camper
left ice
The camper is a bit different, though.
It's an accessory, forces you to be stationary, gives a debuff, and applies the various activated furniture buffs.
dapper coral
the Camper is the most situational accessory ever, yeah
this is not a bad suggestion by any means, i think?
heady storm
Not really yeah.
left ice
I mean, I could see if people argued it was a bit overpowered, and it might be a bit hard to script, but other than that. 🤷
tawny garden
it is a good sugg
heady storm
I don't think it has any problems personally.
tawny garden
I mean, I could see if people argued it was a bit overpowered, and it might be a bit hard to script, but other than that. 🤷
neither of that actually
dapper coral
my only concern is if it would be strong because 7 buffs into 1
unreal star
i mean alchnpc has the combinations
dapper coral
but other than that it's fine
left ice
Yeah, that's about my only concern. That people would claim it would be overpowered because it would free up six additional buff slots. But I'm fine if that part is skipped, as long as I can combine the items into a single item to place. I'm tired of carrying around entire cities in my inventory just to build an arena and want to simplify that process as much as possible. 😛
sand umbra
something something Omnistation+
fossil finch
You would kinda equally have the 7 buffs anyway
sand umbra
Fargo's Mod literally adds this exact kinda thing
unique reef
plus the Luiafk Ultimate buffs
ancient crow
arma sugg seems kinda decent
mighty knot
anything wrong with it?
tawny garden
all good
heady storm
Nothing yeah.
tawny garden
people get them in via cheat sheet anyway
earnest vine
feels hard to code but idk
hot vault
sorry, prematurely hit send
sinful steeple
That was fixed this update
hollow shell
was it
sinful steeple
Yeah
wooden wedge
it was
just gonna yeet the sugg because it's already in this update
(and also because bug sugg)
@hot vault make sure you're on 1.4.5.001 of the mod
hot vault
ohhhh ok i didnt realise my bad
hollow shell
"Calamity adds only 12 of them"
We have that many??
white patio
thats going off of what the wiki says
unreal viper
I would mention that they’re setup weapons.
That’s a really unique thing.
You try to make the enemies run into them
unreal viper
Yes.
dapper coral
they all look fine to me
heady storm
white patio
ite there's the final product
also i'd just like to point out how everscream is pretty much screaming to have a spiky ball weapon as a drop
i mean its literally make of thorns
sinful steeple
Doesn't Santa-NK1 have an actual spiky ball attack
white patio
it does
hollow shell
Huh, they do both leave stuff on the ground
white patio
plus there could also be ariel ones, kinda like how the aquatic scourge leaves toxic clouds for the player to run into later rather than a direct attack
feeling like a genius rn wont lie
analog parrot
draedon's fuel factory and charging station hud should disappear after walking outside a radius
hollow shell
Are you saying that should happen, or are you saying that does happen?
analog parrot
should
heady storm
It doesn't happen yeah, feels inconsistent with other storage containers and whatnot.
hollow shell
@ripe stream Don't post separate suggestions in one message
dapper coral
this sounds like a horribly large amount of work
ripe stream
oh sorry
hollow shell
Also, rogue already has two legendary weapons
dapper coral
and also that
hollow shell
Also, Meld/Empyrean exists
dapper coral
also meld constructs?
yeah
which, the meld fragments now drop from all pillars i think
hollow shell
They do.
hollow shell
Changed to that with the recent redesign, yeah
ripe stream
alright thanks
hollow shell
(are you going to edit your suggestion to accommodate, or is it now wholly unnecessary?)
dapper coral
Seems the latter to me
whole sedge
Yeah both of these seem kind of pointless as in pre-moonlord/post-celestial pillars rogue surely isn't lacking any content and it already has two legendary weapons that are pretty good ex Malachite and the Leonid Progenitor even though the latter is unobtainable for now.
heady storm
Rogue Legendary weapons
Whatever it will be, rogue needs a legendary weapon. This could be dropped by a abyss creature.
Malachite exists.
hollow shell
(yeah I'll just delete it then)
heady storm
Overall this is mega specific.
whole sedge
Yeah kind of edging on the line of being too specific
hollow shell
Also, unrelated
@unreal viper You imply that melee and ranged need more options in PreHM because Shadow and Necro are underpowered
but the more obvious solution is to buff those armors, isn't it? Not really good as evidence for adding new armors
whole sedge
^^, seems more like it's not lacking options it's just the options they have are kinda useless
heady storm
I also can't tell if it's just a request to add more armors for those classes or every class.
whole sedge
To me seems like a mix of adding more armors and buffing the two more useless options 
heady storm
Maybe.
tawny garden
Is this on purpose?
frail mantle
it used to say "adding a meme channel/true offtopic channel", he probably just forgot to remove the last "channel" while removing the last part
tawny garden
m
heady storm
@hollow shell whenever you wake up. ^
heady storm
Why not spawn in both levels?
sinful steeple
Because it enrages at the surface
sinful steeple
There's an auric flamethrower which is pretty endgame also shadowspec suggs aren't allowed iirc
radiant meadow
@ashen warren shadowspec tier stuff isn't allowed
tawny garden
suggestions* about shadowspec tier aren't allowed ↑
radiant meadow
The tier is reserved for dev items
unique reef
yeah. been there
also, would be interesting if the post DoG Frost/Pumpkin Moon events had unique new drops
earnest vine
a great example of stat buffs being boring is master mode
frail mantle
yes
frail mantle
it was added in 1.4.5 iirc
pine star
pale glacier
I've always faught her on the surface 
sinful steeple
She's had an enrage for ages but it was uber buffed in Rust and Dust
Now enraged PBG is basically god
tawny garden
unique reef
i always thought she was just that tough, lol
radiant meadow
The summon item tooltip mentions the enrage, right?
sinful steeple
It does
tawny garden
it does now anyway
tawny garden
it's Revengeance btw
cobalt pewter
Also I'd personally make the prep for the sweep much faster
In dmode
Because it is barely a threat
But idk
rocky flax
I mean both bee queen and pbg start dashdancing like a fucking fox main whenever they're at the surface in rev
rocky flax
it's stupid but entertaining as shit
unreal viper
The don’t is kinda dumb imo, but if it’s still a thing then the sugg is invalid.
tawny garden
iirc it only applies to KS and DS
hollow shell
EoC could easily fit into that category
but
I'm wondering if we should get rid of the Don't or at least add a caveat that it'll only apply to Normal (and Expert?) Mode
Because even early-game bosses should be challenging in Rev and Death
unreal viper
I think we should.
If someone’s doing rev, they’ve likely done expert before.
No need to baby them.
unreal viper
In my first rev pt aquatic scourge was the first boss to pose a challenge
Besides vanilla ones.
agile cloud
about the sugg to buff eoc i agree with rover
buffing normal/expert is pointless since 90% of people play in rev/death
so focusing on feedback in those modes would be better than having to modify more vanilla stuff
radiant meadow
KS and DS don't need buffs in any mode. That should stay a don't imo
dapper coral
KS and DS don't need buffs in any mode. That should stay a don't imo
indeed, they're the first bosses so there's almost no point to do so
radiant meadow
Rev+ EoC changes are okay
Cal shouldn't really touch normal/expert vanilla bosses in major ai changes
weak field
EoC horizontal charge is like, never a threat
And in fact, help with damaging the boss because the zigzag charge is too hard to hit
rocky flax
Yeah it makes the fight easier
Maybe it should come from more angles (up, down, diagonal) to make it a little less predictable
ancient crow
ok here's something i sugg'd a little while after the update that i've been noticing a lot in youtube vids
there's no indication or tutorial anywhere about how to use the power cell factories and chargers
worldly saffron
tell that to my first calam playthrough
@agile cloud my first one was immediately rev, I hadn't even done expert at the time but rage and adrenaline were cool
ancient crow
i've seen three different youtubers who are trying the update for the first time find a draedon lab, explore and loot it, and completely ignore the factories/chargers
and i'm sure many new players would have the same experience
it also doesn't help that the fuel factories are inactive until you break and replace them - at least the chargers have a GUI that pops up to show that they do something
rocky flax
maybe have an animation for when they're broken, or perhaps mention them in the logs?
having an animation of sparks flying off of them would atleast spark some sort of "oooh what's this do" and maybe they'll pick it up
ancient crow
i think the main issue with the factories at least is that until you break one and place it back down, there's literally nothing that indicates it's not just another piece of furniture
the spark thing is a good idea actually
cobalt pewter
Is it alright if I'd keep reposting a specific suggestion, but still following the 1 week cooldown?
tawny garden
yea, nothing against it formally
dapper coral
yeah go ahead
tawny garden
we would just yell at you more and more each time
dapper coral
although it would be pointless if you didn't change much in between
cobalt pewter
Not sure why the extra difficulty reward sugg ain't going thru
The last repost got 149
Eh
tawny garden
because not many people like it I suppose
void kelp
pssst someone please resugg this #suggestions-voting message
robust lava
I'd wait for star req lowering so we can guarantee the emote the spot it deserves
tawny garden
there's no point waiting, when it lowers it'll be retroactive
robust lava
And I suppose if we can get the emote through before the star lowering, we can use the emote to respond to the star amount being lowered 
ancient crow
beeg emoji
frail mantle
tawny garden
or bootleg nitro
gray nebula
can we add the 5x5 version
tawny garden
this message is great btw: https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/741365432908251217
good sugg
hollow shell
A fine suggestion.
It could maybe be argued that the clone is attempting to replicate Calamitas's personality, too
but, there wouldn't be much reason for it to do that, lore-wise
gray nebula
i mean its a clone
steep crown
Eh, I had another Idea for a full Clonetas rework that focused more on the brothers while the Real calamitas sits back and watches, but I decided to do this instead in case it fell into the "Too much work" Catagory
hollow shell
Cuz
the lore reason for Clonelamitas existing is that they wanted the power of Calamitas but without the possibility of betrayal
It'd be weird if the clone acted like Calamitas
cuz
that would potentially open up the possibility of betrayal
gray nebula
yeah but its a failed clone
the mindwipe thing operation might have been planned further down the line but they got interrupted before that
hollow shell
s'not mentioned in the lore entry
steep crown
The whole thing is that its imperfect
gray nebula
yeah its just speculation but theres no need to fully precise everything, if people can figure out an excuse for it then its good enough
hollow shell
"If [Calamitas] were to rebel, she would slaughter anything Yharim threw at her... He needed insurance in the form of an unwaveringly loyal countermeasure. "
"Physical shells were molded and artificial souls filled them, derived from past experiments and Calamitas’ own brand of necromancy. The resulting child of science and dark magic would inevitably be weaker than the original, but that too would be beneficial in its own right. "
"That replica aimlessly roams the night with no will and no purpose, knowing nothing but to act and fight exactly as it was designed to from birth. "
Relevant sentences
steep crown
Dreadon is Really bad at cloning, so its a mindless monster
ashen warren
i dont think scal herself would want yharim or draedon to clone her so it makes no sense on how they would get scals biological dna or some shit to make clonamitas
upbeat dew
Draedon can make auric tesla bars but can't make a working clone
unique reef
clones just aren't his area of expertise, i guess
ashen warren
if yharim actually wanted a precaution for scal betrayal he should have stronger troops. That being said, never once in calamity have I seen any of yharim's legion
so it could be better to replace clonamitas with yharims troops
upbeat dew
why don't they make yharon some auric tesla armor
and attach some tesla cannons while they are at it
ashen warren
yharon is getting resprited with some armors so
hollow shell
(its a big important sprite)
upbeat dew
if the player is able to defeat DOG then why not send supreme calamitas, yharon, and draedon all at once
hollow shell
(takes a while to redo)
ashen warren
another thing, yharim is stronger than scal so why would yharim want to clone scal to "have her power"
hollow shell
He can't do everything himself
upbeat dew
why not have yharon lay an egg to duplicate himself
tawny garden
hm,
If [Calamitas] were to rebel, she would slaughter anything Yharim threw at her
how is he stronger then
hollow shell
Also this is #lore-discussion kinda
(Yharim himself is more powerful than Calamitas but Calamitas is stronger than pretty much everyone beneath Yharim)
tawny garden
ah aight
byeah this is lore talk
hollow shell
(the next words after that quote are "unless he himself confronted her ")
ashen warren
well then might as well just clone yharim himself 😂
honestly cool idea because inna real yharim fight he could pull off a shadow clone jitsu on you
wooden wedge
This looks more like an oversight than a sugg
dapper coral
perhaps
wooden wedge
@radiant meadow does this look more like an oversight or would it be better as a sugg
wooden wedge
Yeah
dapper coral
yeah, the latest one
tawny garden
it could be fixed without going through the sugg system
dapper coral
i think it's fine to stay for now
hollow shell
@unreal viper Did you see my ping about your armor sugg?
unreal viper
Nah.
unique reef
i really think that the Flamsteed large form should grant a bunch of DEF/DR to compensate for the giant hitbox
gray nebula
wouldn't be opposed if someone were to suggest that
worn blaze
Not sure if it would be ok to repost my sugg since it's been 3 months and it's been approved by a dev, really uncertain if they've forgotten or not, though it might just be normal, someone let me know
radiant meadow
if it got sent already, you shouldn't repost it
resuggestions only apply if your suggestion was not sent
tawny garden
that isn't in the doc, maybe it should be added?
radiant meadow
or read the rules
If it has been at least a week and a suggestion has not been not reached the star requirements to be delivered, then you may repost it.
worn blaze
Anyone know if it was intended for some of the draedon's arsenal furniture to completely disappear when broken with an explosive?
radiant meadow
fixed next update
worn blaze
Aw shucks, I was thinking it was a feature, welp that helps ig
radiant meadow
All furniture are explosive and lava proof next patch
hollow shell
@unreal viper I assumed you would check your pings after I mentioned that
It was this message
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/465195069406707722/745530420644413520
aaand here's your suggestion unyeeted
Increase the number of unique class armors pre-hardmode.
Currently melee, ranger, and summoner only have 1 viable class-specific armor pre-hardmode, molten, desert prowler, and bee. Shadow armor and necro are not viable due to their poor stats relative to other options. Shadow has worse defense and offense than molten, and necro is just aerospec but without the fast fall. Giving these classes more unique options would make playing them more interesting and unique.
tawny garden
@hollow shell "meme channel channel" is still in the doc
tawny garden
unique reef
Mutant Truffle feels a bit weird. It's standalone, but it feels like it should be put into a bigger accessory
violet dagger
tribal remnant
and thus, I hath committed big brain
violet dagger
dont worry we all make 
s
tribal remnant
nice house
unique reef
i want to get back to my Mutant Truffle thing
it's good when you get it, but it would be nice if it could be combined with a bigger accessory
violet dagger
it might be nice to have it used in amalgam
i just want the meme setup of terraria where you have a fuck ton of minions
hollow shell
It could pretty fittingly go into the Amalgam yeah
I'm worried about it being too fast of an upgrade
violet dagger
that is definitely a problem
hollow shell
Considering OD is immediately pre-DoG (though with the difficulty some people do him post-DoG)
and The Amalgam is a post-DoG item (post-Moons at least)
hollow shell
That
might be a bit weird
but, it could be done
heady storm
Honestly I'd have 0 complaints.
unique reef
kinda does to me
heady storm
Mutant Truffle is like the most unused acc atm.
unique reef
it's definitely an "add to a stronger accessory" like Fungal Clump
heady storm
Ye.
unique reef
Nucleogenesis with the nuclear Mutated Truffle as part of it? makes total sense
violet dagger
its a different type of nuclear
unique reef
true
hollow shell
Would be a nice pun tho
hollow shell
Yeah you could
dapper coral
go ahead
hollow shell
Valid idea.
unique reef
novel belfry
Wait, the addition of mutant truffle to the amalgam could be combined with my "Give Amalgam a unique minion" sugg to create the most terrifying summon in history
unique reef
oh?
heady storm
hollow shell
I will have the big happiness when Amalgam gets a unique minion
radiant meadow
nucleogenesis shouldn't be expert locked
unique reef
oh. i forgot that Mutant Truffle is Expert
hollow shell
The Amalgam is Expert-locked
In fact it is entirely comprised of Expert accessories
so that could be a nice piece of evidence for ya
heady storm
Yeah that's a thing.
violet dagger
haha your idea got stolen 
novel belfry
aight, typed out the sugg, anything i could improve upon
violet dagger
i think it's fine
novel belfry
it's just the wording that kinda messed me
hollow shell
You should remove that bit about giving it a unique minion
because your suggestion about that already reached the star req
@novel belfry
novel belfry
brb got ffxiv stuff
radiant meadow
you need more explanation than just that
because by that logic, Amalgam would just be every expert item in existence except Terraria recipe limit
heady storm
(He's gonna come back.)
hollow shell
^ I assume so
novel belfry
soon
heady storm
Seems like it could be a thing.
novel belfry
aight back
wait i just got an alt idea
what if we just instead give the truffle to the core of the blood god?
let me check the stats to see if this could work
violet dagger
that does seem quite weird
hollow shell
Nah that would muddle its focus
violet dagger
it doesnt fit with the theme of cotbg
radiant meadow
normally I don't care too much about the focus thingy, but truffle is definitely unfitting for cotbg
novel belfry
||but the amalgam getting its own minion is actually possible now so yey||
ashen warren
What happens to a suggestion when it hits 240 again?
violet dagger
it sits there until its sent to dev server
radiant meadow
It gets delivered to the dev server if it's a mod suggestion.
It gets delivered to #moderator-voting if it's a server suggestion.
Delivery is not automatic.
ashen warren
So, it has to get another certain amount of votes from mods in order to make it to dev server?
radiant meadow
yes
ashen warren
How many?
radiant meadow
240
ashen warren
There's that many mods?
radiant meadow
oh wait
you're confused
it only gets sent to mods if it's a server suggestion
aka add a channel for whatever
lucid marsh
What do you guys think of my suggestion?
radiant meadow
okay so
novel belfry
the amgalm minion sugg got approved
radiant meadow
suggestions in #suggestions-voting you can vote on
ashen warren
Ye.
radiant meadow
if it gets 240 stars, then it is eligible to be delivered
ashen warren
To the dev server?
radiant meadow
if it's a mod suggestion
lucid marsh
Stars are from anyone
radiant meadow
aka Change X accessory because Y
something that pertains to the actual Calamity Mod
ashen warren
What happens if it hits 240 starts then?
lucid marsh
If moderators think it’s ok they approve it for us giving stars, then if it gets the stars it gets sent to devs
radiant meadow
if it hits 240 stars, it is eligble to be sent whenever someone is available
where it is sent to depends on the type of suggestion
ashen warren
So, it gets sent to dev server?
lucid marsh
Yes
radiant meadow
if the suggestion pertains to the mod
ashen warren
Define pertains.
radiant meadow
if the suggestion is about the server, it doesn't need to go to dev
radiant meadow
because that's staff related
ashen warren
But if it's about adding something to the actual mod?
radiant meadow
then it goes to the dev server
ashen warren
When it hits 240?
radiant meadow
when someone gets around to delivering it
lucid marsh
When it hits 240 then the moderators here deliver it to the dev server
It isn’t done automatically
ashen warren
Will it for certain be delivered and added?
radiant meadow
no
ashen warren
Wot.
lucid marsh
It will be shown to them
radiant meadow
it will be delivered
lucid marsh
And they decide if its a good idea
radiant meadow
but it won't necessarily be added
they are suggestions, not mandates by the people
heady storm
They will see it, and they can approve it, that doesn't necessarily mean it's added though yeah.
ashen warren
What.
lucid marsh
What part of this is confusing
ashen warren
So, even if it does hit 240 stars, there's no guarantee it'll get added into the game?
lucid marsh
Correct
novel belfry
yeah
heady storm
Mhm.
radiant meadow
yes, that is correct
ashen warren
Will they eventually get added?
lucid marsh
No
radiant meadow
not necessarily
radiant meadow
and if someone is willing to do it
ashen warren
Bruuuuuuuuuuh.
lucid marsh
Yeah
ashen warren
So in the end, it's all up to the big bois/
ashen warren
Then what's the point of voting if the big bois get to decide everything?
lucid marsh
To show it to them in the first place
radiant meadow
you don't have to vote if you don't want to
novel belfry
it's to give them good ideas they might forget about
ashen warren
Like, I've seen some suggestions which haven't even hit 200 and they get accepted.
novel belfry
those might
radiant meadow
it may have been before the star req was raised
novel belfry
have been older ones
lucid marsh
The star requirement has steadily increased over time, and multiple people can have the same idea
Anyways what do you guys think of my idea?
heady storm
I feel like it could be a near endgame acc, that's for certain.
Not shadowspec since that's reserved for devs byeah.
ashen warren
Good because I always thought that Dark Sun Ring needed to be combined with smth.
radiant meadow
if they combine, it shouldn't be darksun tier
hollow shell
This would only fit in Auric tier
Literally the only spot for it that doesn't result in instant upgrades
ashen warren
Hitting 240 stars makes it certain that the big bois will see it, right?
ashen warren
Then shouldn't a big boi just look at the suggestions once in a while?
radiant meadow
I look at suggs all the time
hollow shell
(we do) :P
The point of this system is to have an official delivery, where only the best get sent to their own channel in the dev server
and from there we can categorize it and such
ashen warren
You ppl can send the suggestions?
hollow shell
Yeah Ben and I can
It's mostly Brav doing it recently though
ashen warren
K then.
lucid marsh
I saw the comments. Auric tier is fine but I think instant upgrades can be ok if they’re done to differentiate between modes. You can think of it like the dark sun ring is just on it’s own in normal mode and is merely a material for a better version in expert and above
hollow shell
What about Yharim's Gift?
hollow shell
m
nnnot much screentime
lucid marsh
Consider this: that’s the way it is already. The way I did it (I just got to this tier today) was to use the providence expert drop for DoG and yharon 1, Yharim’s gift replaced that for dark sun, and dark sun ring is currently replacing Yharim’s gift
All my other slots are filled with mage and mobility accessories, even with wing slot mod
None of the others are worth giving up. For example I have ethereal talisman, the sponge, Elysian ageis, Elysian Tracers, and rampart of Deities.
hollow shell
Rampart is arguable
but, aight, fair enough I spose
lucid marsh
And uh... maybe there was 1 other thing
hollow shell
actually nvm I forgot Rampart had Philosopher's Stone in it
lucid marsh
Yeah
Wait, I’m forgetting something still
I think I have 8 slots including wing slot...
Oh I am using Yharim’s gift
I was just disappointed about having to chose 2/3
Cause the providence drop feels like a weaker, more defensive counterpart to Yharim’s gift
dapper coral
well, it should be weaker since it is a boss earlier in progression
lucid marsh
That’s completely fair, but I still think a combination would be interesting and balanced
radiant meadow
You can make an argument to replace any of those accessories other than maybe tracers. I don't think it's a good idea to call anything mandatory
lucid marsh
You sure about that? They’re mostly all on par with each other in stats, but each provides unique utility
unique reef
guess i can post my Amalgam thing now
west garden
for visual
to make the game look nicer
obviously they can make a better algorithm, but I feel counter scarf is such an epic accessory in the modding community, and doing something small like this would be nice
just a suggestion tho
dapper coral
of course
so perhaps a reasoning could be along the lines of
"Counter Scarf is an iconic accessory of Calamity, and therefore I feel that some added visual effects would be befitting"
or something like that
tepid root
yeah
west garden
aiit thanks for the insight, forgot that you had to do that
dapper coral
no worries
cobalt pewter
Also a darker version of that would be fucking dope for evasion
But I assume that'd need dedicatee permission?
Wait is it a dedicated item?
dapper coral
evasion scarf is dedicated, yes
heady storm
@dapper coral I'm just gonna request your input with this one too.
Reasoning is more than obviously not cutting it.
Not to include this would probably take a long time to do.
dapper coral
uhhhhh this feels wrong on many levels
heady storm
Ye.
hollow shell
@marble phoenix uhhhh
That would be like a lot of items and it's also not really our business
heady storm
(Not happening for quite the many reasons.)
dapper coral
yeah, get rid of it
tawny garden
Counter scarf isn't dedicated
distant gyro
justice for short scarves
violet dagger
What is this last sugg 
heady storm
If counter scarf gets this logically evasion should too.
tawny garden
M
distant gyro
byeah that counter scarf sug is based on it being a long scarf