that doesn't exist in cal
#suggestions-discussion
radiant meadow
tawny garden
In normal use, sentries will last for a fixed two minutes before vanishing
cyan warren
You’re right it doesn’t
It’s a different concept
Also sentries disappears
Yea like he said
weak field
radiant meadow
you're not thinking of suggesting it, are you?
cyan warren
That’s a different thing entirely
All I’m suggesting is
Crimson rod should work the same but deal summon damage
That is all
radiant meadow
you shouldn't bring up other concepts then
radiant meadow
if they are unrelated
cyan warren
Brought up other stuff
I
Ok then
Well
Nice talking to you sir
I hope you have a wonderful day
radiant meadow
and you're not only suggesting they deal summon damage
you're also suggesting that they work with the sentry cap and stuff
cyan warren
Yea that too
Thanks for reminding me I’ll go change that
Crimson rod should work the same but deal summon damage and act as a sentry that’s affected by sentry accessories and armor and such
Also pink gel armor might be suggested later but it’s unknown as of now since it’s still in early phase of production
radiant meadow
well then you might want to take note of the specific item suggestions rule
cyan warren
I know I haven’t suggested it yet when I do I’ll make sure I do
hollow idol
Must I go on another essay on why old Auric and Yharhelmet are different
steep crown
Inb4 His second phase is him taking off his helm, and they use that for the mask
violet dagger
inb4 yharim comes out tmr
hollow idol
eye
gray nebula
SW
get pwnd 👊😂
and yes yhermet is different than ancient auric but people that want ancient auric really just want it because it looks like yhermes
violet dagger
yes i want yharim's eye as armor 
gray nebula
and just install calamity vanities if you want an ancient auric helmet this much 
hollow idol
Main shouldnt have to account for addons
violet dagger
free points for YuH since hes right here and is a dev of calam vanities
gray nebula
is the owner of the mod yes
and yes i know main shouldnt have to account for addons but im p sure ancient auric helmet got denied in the past
hollow shell
Best I can tell it never got denied
Also the last time it reached the dev server was 2018...
hollow idol
Quick look through sug votes and seeing no 🚫s
gray nebula
well yes but also its because i brought it up myself
hollow shell
wdym
gray nebula
just search ancient auric in dev
hollow shell
Just Mrrp was against the idea, we can ignore him 
visual crane
General chat just had an idea for an upgrade to the squirrel staff. We were thinking of it having an upgrade to become a knight/paladin, and use (perhaps) the Palin's hammer (and maybe shield) to upgrade it. I was thinking it could throw mini hammers instead of acorns.
hollow shell
That sounds a bit too specific
rocky flax
have reddit gold sir
hollow shell
Unless you have a good reason why the squirrels should specifically have a Paladin-themed upgrade
fathom pebble
class squirrels
unique reef
i had the idea of a branch of summoner weapons that use a little mana to create killable minions that don't require minion slots
hollow shell
You're not the first.
visual crane
I mean, it's a squire currently. What's to say it couldn't rank up to knighthood?
hollow shell
Okay that is indeed a reason
visual crane
^_^
tawny garden
squirrel CBE staff
ashen warren
CBT Squirrel
rocky flax
no
ashen warren
tawny garden
lord squirrel staff, baron staff of terraria
rocky flax
ashen warren
Squirrel king dev staff now
hollow shell
You should
fathom pebble
Yharim squirrel
ashen warren
Theres a yharim one
hollow shell
Somebody mentioned that yes
ashen warren
not sure about old design
visual crane
I could even see an upgrade to that, per @fathom pebble 's suggestion. Perhaps a squirrel in a mech for post-ML?
ashen warren
Dva squirrel
visual crane
♥
fathom pebble
i kinda got idea from mech junkan from etg
gray nebula
(remember : no specific item suggestions )
hollow shell
@heady nova That sounds reasonable but you only need 30 stone.
hollow shell
We could potentially make a recipe group or alt recipes for that yes
We could.
I just don't think it's that big of an issue
visual crane
So... Hallow bars for the knight/paladin?
hollow shell
A single unit of Astral Solution will get you the stone required
heady nova
I wasn't complaining about the solution, it's more so the 2 plat you need to pay for the Clentaminator if you hadn't bought it already
hollow shell
I suppose so yeah.
There's also this https://calamitymod.gamepedia.com/Star_Struck_Water
but that relies on you getting 1 (one) Astral Sand
radiant meadow
it could be a recipe group of any astral tile
heady nova
yeah
radiant meadow
and the sand was for vanilla consistency with other evil waters
hollow shell
Indeed
@hard crescent "The main reason people use the shields is for knockback immunity"
You forget that Rampart has the Frozen Turtle Shell effect (15% DR below half life, 20% DR below 15% life) and also the Philosopher's Stone effect
heady nova
Wait, what
I just tested out the astral solution, mined the astral stone but only got normal stone
hollow shell
(Sounds like multiplayer)
heady nova
ah
radiant meadow
oh, and regarding the rampart sugg, it's better to compare it to asgardian aegis
not asgard's valor
hollow shell
Indeed, post-DoG after all
hard crescent
Didn't forget, just still has the paladin shield thing which is meh. In solo you just dont have the drawback, so i dont see why in multiplayer it needs to be there
radiant meadow
now, if you wanted to compare frigid bulwark to asgard's valor, there's a clear winner
hard crescent
so in solo it changes nothing because there are no team mates to get damage from
hollow shell
Are you saying that a multiplayer effect doesn't need to exist because it doesn't apply outside of multiplayer
hard crescent
im just saying that in solo its a bunch oif free positive buffs, in multiplayer theres a drawback
radiant meadow
I wouldn't necessarily call it a drawback.
hard crescent
eh
radiant meadow
The whole point of the Paladin's Shield is to reduce the damage on your teammates
hard crescent
i dont want it removed, just togglable
right, but that can be a detriment sometimes
and honestly i think anyone who uses it just wants the defiec or frozen turtle effect, plus no knockback
hollow shell
You can include some of the other important effects in your suggestion, in addition to knockback prevention
sterile arch
if you're playing a super tanky player, the 25% damage is a pretty buff on the entire server of players, and only a downside if you're not playing a tank. why would you equip a tank shield if you arent playing tank
hollow shell
and also elaborate in your sugg on why the Paladin's Shield effect is a potentially undesirable thing
hard crescent
its not that its bad, just that when i play solo i get all this stuff for free with no potentially undesirable thing. On multiplayer, if im not playing a tank then it ends up doing more harm then good imo
anyway i dont feel too strongly about it so whatever, just a suggestion
too lazy to fix you can remove it if needed
hollow shell
Alright
... I'd still prefer you edited it to elaborate more cuz you're kinda missing some important facets
It's a fine suggestion, if you fix it
dapper coral
a suggestion should be made with the intent to make it as appealing as possible for a change to be made
so fixing it is in your best interests if you actually want this to change
hard crescent
idk if thats good enough but there
i was the guy who kept whining about melee speed for like a month so truly, this isnt the hill im gonna die on
hollow shell
Aight this is better yeah
cobalt pewter
I would make a sugg to make Gauss Dagger somewhat a boomerang
But idk if that's the best option
It's a really iffy T1 Draedon weapon
hollow shell
Kinda strange to ask for a short broadsword to be given a lot more range like that
radiant meadow
tracking disk is already a boomerang
The arsenal weapons shouldn't be similar to each other in the same tier
unreal viper
What is the standard dps pre boss in Hardmode?
Considering Sugging an orichalcum buff.
heady storm
I’d assume you would get kill times with orichalcum and another armor set like titanium for that.
sleek turret
Orichalcum I think is a offensive-centred armor, since the bonus increases DPS.
Considering the 1.1 Hardmode ores (The OGs) are more defensive-offensive centred by the way they are.
cobalt pewter
@hollow shell true, but let's get real here with the base stats it has, I'll just get mfn Mycelial Claws
Yeeeeeee
unreal viper
Hmm
sleek turret
relogic plz give a bonus for OG HM ores
unreal viper
I need mage melee and ranger meta
hollow shell
What about its on-hit effects, Feedza?
unreal viper
Weapons.
cobalt pewter
Never figured out because I never hit shit with the damned weapon
But I just got to post hive
So I'll try it now
sleek turret
sleek turret
Ore weapons/Hardmode Material weapons.
Slow, but has damage on it.
I guess I can't review Giant Clam weapons because I kinda never use it anyways
heady storm
I targeted him for Poseidon once but that’s about it.
unreal viper
Worlds slowest homing weapon
sleek turret
Hey, atleast it does damage.
heady storm
Used it on AS exclusively. 
unreal viper
Hmm:
distant gyro
for melee, axe of purity/rox is classic
cobalt pewter
Yeah not sure what I'm doing wrong, but Gauss' range makes it dogshit against my current enemy, QB
distant gyro
i don't think gauss dagger is supposed to be the generic big range projectile sword/meleen't
so tl;dr its range is its detriment
not for bosses
left ice
Well, this is irritating. I think the suggestion I want to make would fall under the specific item category...
sterile arch
what's the suggestion
left ice
A fusion of the five level meters at a tinkerer's workbench th show the average of the stats and each individual level, while also allowing the level boost in all categories.
radiant meadow
that should be fine
just say something like
"An combined accessory of all the level meters"
Displays information for all classes & gives the level boost for all classes
Reason: <insert stuff here>
left ice
Oh, it doesn't fall into the specific item category?
radiant meadow
Specific usually means more like if you start giving it a name and specific functions, but in this instance, it's just jamming the meters together with duct tape, so its fine I think
left ice
Alright. Sweet.
left ice
Hence why I specified "simplified" in the suggestion.
Ex. Rather than doing individual damage and crit of each class, perhaps an average damage/crit boost. That takes out a huge chunk.
hollow shell
@craggy stratus You're wearing Ruin Medallion (or Dark God's Sheath/Eclipse Mirror), right?
craggy stratus
yes
hollow shell
You're sure that the second usage isn't a stealth strike? Because it's supposed to be
craggy stratus
yeah, when holding m1
i was expecting another 2nd stealth strike when holding m1, after the 1st strike
it came out at normal attack, not stealth one
hollow shell
How odd. You might wanna report that to #bugs-read-pins instead
craggy stratus
oh, its a bug?
should i paste my suggestion to that channel, and delete the one in #suggestions-posting
hollow shell
Yeah sure
(iunno what the traditional report formatting is like there though, but you may as well)
dapper coral
follow the format in the pins in that channel
foggy plover
I think you have to wait for literally 1 stealth to build after shooting a full stealth shot to get a second stealth strike
sand umbra
yeah half stealth isn't actually half stealth
it's been like that for a while
also: isn't there a cooldown on stealth strikes?
foggy plover
not afaik
sand umbra
craggy stratus
foggy plover
I dont think that means a cooldown
sand umbra
I distinctly recall there being discussion in regards to this changelog
craggy stratus
i think the cooldown stop when the meter start charging again
sand umbra
and from what I remember, the assertion was that there is in fact a cooldown
I think it was like
one second?
idk
foggy plover
if there is its
absolutely tiny
half a second or less probably, but ive never heard of one
craggy stratus
yeah, about 0.2 secs
foggy plover
not like you would be able to spam stealth even without that cooldown
cant gen enough anyways
so either its a bug, or its that cooldown
either way should be removed imo
craggy stratus
my stealth is an even number, takes 110, so half of it is used for 1st stealth strike, leaves out 55
acc like ruined medallion allow half of stealth amount be used for stealth strike, so technically it should shoot out the 2nd one when im still holding mouse1
im not aware of any cooldown, only of a fraction of time needed for stealth to be recharge after an attack
radiant meadow
the coding doesn't use any sort of rounding it looks like and uses >=
so I don't know why it doesn't work
might have to do with the fact that stealth is a float rather than an integer
weak field
Oh yes, static_cast<int>(stealth random float thing idk) moment
unique reef
Is it just me, or is the Silva Crystal really unreliable?
heady storm
This one fine? I don't notice a kill time test. https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/699359022364491868/744344551572897842
unique reef
for the summoner Silva set
heady storm
Also @cyan warren it's still better to suggest every similar weapon is changed appropriately, otherwise an inconsistency would be present among them.
heady storm
Yes it's about your crimson rod sugg.
cyan warren
Alright just checking
violet dagger
Before the bot takes it
radiant meadow
you still haven't addressed my concerns in your sugg
in fact, you haven't editted it at all
tawny garden
any sugg about buffing a weapon is a good sugg
violet dagger
break the bot approval chain
cyan warren
Which concerns
radiant meadow
the recipe concerns for one thing
tawny garden
Before the bot takes it
it's better if the bot takes it imo
heady storm
Shaderain Staff should also be affected thinking about it now.
radiant meadow
Carnage Ray uses Crimson Rod, Night's Ray probably shouldn't use Vilethorn if Crimson Rod changes.
and if you cover Nimbus Rod, Miasma should use a different weapon
tawny garden
m, actually
@gaunt parrot you need to provide actual kill times on bosses (DoG in this case) instead of raw DPS
heady storm
Alternatively, you could suggest the magic versions of each weapon exist, only summon variants will too now.
swift wharf
Sentry should only be Olds one army stuff
unique reef
i think you should have the ability to swap them back and forth
heady storm
Well, not only OOA content.
unique reef
between Mage and Summon
radiant meadow
and it would also be good to put your counters into your suggestion
instead of like
swift wharf
Summon does make a bit more sense
radiant meadow
leaving it uneditted
unique reef
problem is
swift wharf
Or make it not debuff summoning damage
cyan warren
If there were variants you could get screwed over by getting one or the other on crimson hearts
Could be a super dummy thing where you can change it from mage to summoner at will
unique reef
that would mean that there would be 2 summons from BoC and Hivemind
heady storm
Well, melee and rogue variants are a thing too.
radiant meadow
Eradicator and Corpus Avertor can't be crafted
edgy pagoda
Is there a nighttime provi theme
radiant meadow
no
unique reef
i think there should be more sentries late-game
edgy pagoda
There should be one
weak field
Nobody is there to make any
heady storm
Plus it would take a while to compose.
weak field
I've heard that full-length songs takes around half a year to more than a year
edgy pagoda
well eventually the could be one
but i think it would be nice to eventually have one
sand umbra
I've heard that full-length songs takes around half a year to more than a year
whoever told you that is a perfectionist and you should take their word with a grain of salt
unique reef
no
sand umbra
heady storm
Suggs that would take a long time to implement are a don't afaIk.
unique reef
a Nighttime Prov theme won't happen
radiant meadow
Suggesting a new theme is fine
tawny garden
no, just grand-scale reworks are a don't
radiant meadow
Suggesting an old theme like Threats of the Ocean Floor or the interludes to be used is not fine
sand umbra
yeah sugging a new theme is okay, just absolutely do not expect such a thing to happen right away
weak field
wdym perfectionist
edgy pagoda
well duh
sand umbra
good music does take a decent time to make sure it's good
weak field
is the time too low or too high
radiant meadow
Suggesting a theme for AEW in general will have me putting a knife to your throat in fact
sand umbra
too high, by a mile
weak field
sand umbra
a month is fair if you really want to get it down but past that like I have reason to believe you're not actually working on the song itself
edgy pagoda
i also do hope that the fanmade draedon theme is draedon's actual theme
sand umbra
the wut
weak field
Huh?
radiant meadow
AquaSurferGaming made a Draedon-inspired theme
violet dagger
It definitely does not take a while for a good theme considering how much themes dok hammered out in 2018(then again dok is really skilled)
sand umbra
what the fuck how has this slipped under my radar
radiant meadow
he happened to finish it the day the arsenal released
which was coincidence I was told
sand umbra
...that would explain it
edgy pagoda
check it out
heady storm
Yeah he did compose such theme, very nice gotta say.
edgy pagoda
it's definetly sounds as good as dok
with maybe a bit more ironing, i could definetly see it implemented
radiant meadow
anyways though, this is no longer relevant to suggs
sand umbra
I like how this latest sugg literally pertains to one (1) weapon
craggy stratus
regarding my suggestion, https://streamable.com/96tasg, this was on rev mode
yeah it kinda wack
tawny garden
isn't that already the case tho?
sand umbra
...as you can see in the video, that is clearly not the case
you can damage Desu at all times
radiant meadow
Deus as well for that matter
sand umbra
you physically cannot damage Yharon during his phase transition
tawny garden
either I'm an idiot or someone lied to me
sand umbra
there's an important and distinct contrast to be drawn between "nigh-invulnerable" and simply "invulnerable"
tawny garden
@weary crescent you gotta have a reason
heady storm
^
weary crescent
it would be cool
cyan warren
Alright remind me one last time what all I need to change
heady storm
Include every weapon that functions similarly to the Crimson Rod, and maybe also change your sugg to just add summon variants of those instead of completely dispose of the magic versions.
radiant meadow
You also need to address recipe concerns.
craggy stratus
it kinda weird that one particular class, can gain massive advantage over one boss
than other classes
radiant meadow
And you should include your counter to these weapons lacking NPC targetting
unkempt bolt
im not sure why chad's sugg is focused on destroyer instead of spent fuel container when the latter is evidently the issue
radiant meadow
@edgy pagoda you could use yharon's multiple themes as an example, with how different Phase 1 and Phase 2 are
cyan warren
Include every weapon that functions similarly to the Crimson Rod, and maybe also change your sugg to just add summon variants of those instead of completely dispose of the magic versions. Also recipe concerns
@heady storm understood
edgy pagoda
that's a good idea, thanks
heady storm
You also need to address recipe concerns.
And what Ben just said too. @cyan warren
cyan warren
Got it
weary crescent
@weary crescent you gotta have a reason
@tawny garden deleted it after reading the rules. will be more carful next time.
cyan warren
If there’s a variant for both then the recipe shouldn’t need to change
unkempt bolt
adding variants for crimson and nimbus would raise the issue of being annoying to obtain
heady storm
Yes that's correct AMoC.
sand umbra
Crimson Rod can also be obtained from Crimson Crates
heady storm
Plus Melee and Rogue variants are a thing too, and Eradicator and Corpus aren't craftable so.
unkempt bolt
crimson is but nimbus isn't yeah
sand umbra
and Nimbus Rod is a semi-common drop from an enemy you'll probably kill in spades while scouting for some nice cloud thighs anyway
cyan warren
You get one and can change it to the other
unkempt bolt
yeah nimbus feels like it's like a 10% drop
cyan warren
Yea
unkempt bolt
so probably wouldn't be that much of an issue with crimson rod being buyable
sand umbra
1/15 (6.67%), to be precise
unkempt bolt
n e r d
sand umbra
which in layman's terms is a You Will Probably Get This Item Without Actually Trying% chance
cyan warren
So what if the mage version drops, but it can be changed into the summon version
edgy pagoda
just have it so you can craft the mage variant into the summon variant, and vice versa
edgy pagoda
also i changed my suggestion
cyan warren
Cool
unkempt bolt
class variants being craftable into the other variant has been brought up before with other suggestions
the one that comes to mind was referring to the corpus avertor
i don't recall if there was a reason that couldn't happen or not, though i can't see that being the case
unkempt bolt
your title says "nimbus today"
and removing the comma after today/cloud would be nice
cyan warren
Got it
radiant meadow
why is today even in the title?
cyan warren
Mistype
I’m on mobile
Autocorrect likes to take words that aren’t related and make them other words
Also my fingers are fat
edgy pagoda
Is my suggestion good?
edgy pagoda
ok
craggy stratus
i feel like my suggestion is kinda bad, because it should be about reworking the weapon
but reworking requires time and playtesting, while making boss invulnerable makes the boss more annoying, but not single out a weapon
edgy pagoda
f
craggy stratus
my head hurt, imma hop off
edgy pagoda
ight
ancient crow
night provi having different music is a good idea imo
it should probably just be a remix of the normal provi theme tho
cyan warren
Yea honestly
tawny garden
@gaunt parrot you didn't respond to feedback in time, and your suggestion was deleted by the bot, as it was a don't. You can repost your sugg, but you will need to include kill times on bosses (DoG in this case) instead of DPS.
Buff dark spark a little bit
The changes to dark spark has made it a much weaker weapon compared to a lot of other weapons on its tier. Based on DPS tests(bloodflare armor, all accessories menacing, best weapon prefixes) it does 4k dps starting which is normal since its meant to be fully charged but when it's fully charged, it only does around 11k dps. Now the venusian trident does like 15k with just a few shots, thunderstorm does 20k on average, mistlestorm 13k, clamor noctus deals 17k+ and all the other weapons deal 80% of its fully charged damage with just a few shots aswell. Even against the devourer of gods, it's damage isn't wonderful either and while it can kill the devourer of gods in a decent amount of time, why wouldn't you just use the other weapons?
Along with the fact that you have to hit all the shots; along with it giving you a slower turning speed and along with it draining all of your mana pretty fast makes it a waste of time to be using.
It also has higher than normal crafting requirements compared to the other weapons too. 20 ruinous souls and 10 dark plasma considering the other weapons that are far superior to it have 1/10th of its crafting costs which is why it should be reduced to 2 ruinous souls and 1 dark plasma to keep it in line with the other weapons somewhat. It should be buffed in damage just enough for it to be able to be on par with other weapons on its tier but nowhere near as strong as it was pre-nerf.
heady storm
Btw ping me or any other sugg mod incase someone's sugg isn't adequate and they've been pinged about it already.
mortal bison
Wondering about suggesting to increase contrast on provis bullet hell attack, the bright green and bright white makes it nearly impossible to tell apart
heady storm
You can do that if you wanna.
steep crown
does nightprovi really need that? It's literally the same fight, but with a few changes to make it more difficult.
heady storm
(Double check.)
mortal bison
It was 2 days ago so that's kinda hard
Does daytime provi not have the bright white and bright green star sprites during the bullet hell attack?
steep crown
Daytime provi is old provi.
heady storm
She should have them during the day.
hollow shell
(Does night provvy have the healing flames?)
mortal bison
I definitely got healed
heady storm
(I don't recall Rover, I've only tried her on death.)
mortal bison
But it was very very hard to tell what was white or green
weak field
I don't think so
hollow shell
Can confirm, night prov has no healing flames
She inherits her death mode changes
weak field
I fought her on rev and no healing flames
heady storm
Mmmm.
radiant meadow
ye, no healing flames
mortal bison
Yeah the new sprites for the bullet hell attack are hard to tell apart
hollow shell
If you saw green text, it could have been negative
as all the non-healing flames do negative healing for instant damage
mortal bison
But I can promise i got healed
mortal bison
So it was daytime provi
Bro I can tell the difference between healing 50 and losing 150
radiant meadow
healing flames appear with a 25% chance in daytime, rev and below
hollow shell
Day prov has orange stars for damage, green for heal
radiant meadow
25% instead of the damaging ones
heady storm
You sure it wasn't your own monitor settings?
mortal bison
Ill test it tomorrow
hollow shell
Aighty
mortal bison
Maybe it's my monitor settings? I had it on standard with my normal settings
I'll try it again tomorrow
radiant meadow
This is what it looks like for me https://gyazo.com/1bb13c911c4ab50e02a05988776eeef1
the color difference that is
this is with color lighting
This is with Trippy, makes them stand out even more https://gyazo.com/eda65caddeb62966d4cfc315f93a3df1
dapper coral
the color difference can be more difficult to see on different lightings, as far as i can see retro makes them look much whiter
also being underwater doesn't help with differentiating
dapper coral
ssshhh, it doesn't matter for nohits anyways
heady storm
dapper coral
btw is dankfish's sugg ok? https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/699359022364491868/744371342689959968
i may have missed the convo on it already
radiant meadow
I think it's fine
hollow shell
Uhh I was a bit confused on it cuz I thought DGS onward was near-instant anyway?
I guess if 1 second is too long for him then maybe it isn't instant
radiant meadow
well, stealth regen acceleration resets when you attack
which causes this "delay"
I assume
hollow shell
(slightly offtopic but thank you Discord, this is definitely expected and convenient behavior)
https://gyazo.com/d7e85c0e6694e9f9a7bca01c393522f0
But uhh, I guess the suggestion is fine
Make stealth buildup post-DGS even faster
unique reef
i think the Draedon things should be found in normal ruined houses
unique reef
i meant if the "disable structures" happens, then there'd be no access to the power cells
hollow shell
m, probably woulda been good to mention that sometime within the last 24 hours
unique reef
my bad
hollow shell
it's aight
I dunno if the devs would be too fond of that suggestion anyhow
radiant meadow
you can just make the suggestion regardless if you wanted to
sterile arch
making it toggleable would probably be impossible past this exact form of the labs because they're probably just going to become more important as the mod updates
heady storm
Ben still wants them to sort out the recipe concern or something along those lines.
My exclamation is leaving though since I didn’t notice that as an issue.
hollow shell
"Alternatively there could be a variant of both, made through crafting by simply switching it like super dummy and dummy."
This?
radiant meadow
I still don't like it because that's not a clear cut solution.
He implies that we could go that route but offers no solutions should we choose otherwise.
And he still hasn't added his counter to the npc targetting issue to his suggestion
hollow shell
It already builds up in about a second (if not less than a second)
cobalt pewter
Even in lategame, stealth charging is relatively slow
Though it could be roughly around 1 second when standing still
Plus Ruin Medallion and its upgrades exist, allowing to start a stealth strike at half stealth, plus consuming only half bar for each strike
earnest vine
I dont think to keep buffing stealth is a great solution to it not being great
cobalt pewter
Having stealth bar instantly charged at any condition would make it indistinguishable to spam
hollow shell
I assumed he meant when standing still
I guess we could've asked him to clarify that
cobalt pewter
Yeah sure
...of course mobile shows it as invalid-user again
a a a a a a a
While waiting
I feel like the way current stealth should be buffed isn't around the stealth charging; it should be around the impact and variety of stealth strikes
Like
hollow shell
Well I mean no use pinging him anyway cuz it's already sent
cobalt pewter
Celestus' stealth strike is just throwing 3 things instead of 1
Just
Shit's kinda boring you know
I admit there are a couple fun ones like The Final Dawn
Bless thy Dan Yami
unreal viper
Stealth feels gimmicky imo
cobalt pewter
But overall stealth strikes lack fun and variety
sand umbra
the issue with stealth strikes is that the base weapon is required to be boring if the stealth strike is to be actually interesting
unreal viper
I don’t feel like it’s a great way to make the class feel special
sand umbra
if the stealth strike is too complicated or special it's basically programming two weapons in one
which is ech
cobalt pewter
@sand umbra and I'd rather have it that way to be honest: encouraging stealth gameplay more than spam, assuming they wanted to make stealth the primary gameplay standpoint of rogue
cyan warren
What do you mean
sand umbra
on today's episode of "stealth strikes were a mistake":
cyan warren
What issue is there with targeting
We already established a turret doesn’t have to target to be a turret
cobalt pewter
and with that I will actually make a new class in my mod based off stealth to shit on stealth rogue
cyan warren
I’ve edited it
radiant meadow
The suggestion doesn't address the counter
cyan warren
What do you want me to add
Please be specific
radiant meadow
We already established a turret doesn’t have to target to be a turret
You need to establish this in your suggestion
unreal viper
Yes
radiant meadow
Now you need to address the recipe issue which is still left open ended
cyan warren
I addressed it what
There’s a version for both
Only the mage one is used for crafting
radiant meadow
On the chance we opt to not use variants, you should provide some alternatives for the magic weapons that use them
Aka carnage ray and miasma
And likely night's ray to reflect a similar change
radiant meadow
You should provide the alternatives
radiant meadow
Miasma is still left empty handed and that one we had trouble picking a good recipe before
When we tier shifted it
hollow shell
He doesn't need to cover every base, I don't think
Stuff can be left up to the devs
radiant meadow
Yes, but like that was one thing we already had to think quite a bit about before settling on nimbus
hollow shell
But like he already suggested that they could also exist as magic weps that are craftable between each other
radiant meadow
And I already stated my issues with that
hollow shell
(what were your issues)
radiant meadow
I guess this one can pass but like he shouldn't have waited at the last minute when I told him to edit it like 3 times
hollow shell
I mean, he did edit it 5ish hours ago
We just didn't think it was adequate apparently
radiant meadow
hollow shell
¯_(ツ)_/¯
dapper coral
@hearty ermine dps tests would be appreciated
heady storm
Kill times honestly.
dapper coral
that too
hearty ermine
Oh damn I was about to go to bed rn. Want me to just delete it and then post it tomorrow with numbers?
heady storm
You could do that yeah.
hearty ermine
Aight cool
left wigeon
if my suggestion with stealth is too vague/weird or unpractical i don't mind if it gets removed because of the issue with it, i know the system is not exactly laid out perfectly yet
hollow shell
It doesn't need to be removed. At worst it just won't reach enough votes for the devs to see it.
I do wanna ask though, did you mean that it'd recharge instantly all the time or just when you're standing still? I don't think you specify
left wigeon
well, for example when you use an ability that consumes stealth, it consumes but is still charging up in use of the ability at the same time. that except applied to rogue weapons essentially
though i had second thoughts afterwards, because of the ruin medallion and it's upgrades along with the many things that already increase stealth speed
plus weapons such as the utensil poker and their crazily powerful stealth strike
hollow shell
Just noticed
@craggy stratus "or make destroyer spawn beneath titles"
Not sure if that bit is needed anyway, given that tiles aren't always nearby when a boss is spawned (though I think it already tries to put boss in/near them anyway) and the fact that there are / could later be more piercing tile-ignoring weapons
so, that wouldn't really solve the problem
cobalt pewter
Tbh replacing the burst protection on worms with what P1 dog has is fine to me
Only the head and tail segments work for the first few seconds
timber cipher
is there a set threshold number of votes where a suggestion is "guaranteed" to be put in?
heady storm
Nah.
timber cipher
So just higher number = more likely then.
sinful steeple
No
The votes' only purpose is that after a certain number is reached it'll get sent to the dev server
heady storm
Ye what Macaroni just said.
timber cipher
Okay, now i get it.
dry latch
the problem with nerfing the viability of burst damage is that stealth strikes are all about burst damage
cobalt pewter
Uh, last sugg kinda sus
tawny garden
@gusty axle reason?
cobalt pewter
Formatting as well
tawny garden
read the pins and the doc
sand umbra
it's an SI sugg
sturdy geyser
reference armor
tawny garden
also, isn't it a ref sugg?
sand umbra
yes
cobalt pewter
As tom said
sand umbra
Warframe reference SI sugg
cobalt pewter
Massive SIS
earnest vine
wow
tawny garden
SI sugg
System International sugg
earnest vine
impressively SIS and like 5 different dont's
earnest vine
(exaggeration)
tawny garden
I counted 3
cobalt pewter
Meh
earnest vine
still
tawny garden
hm, it's now 2
earnest vine
@gusty axle read the donts
tawny garden
ah, no, it was 4, now it's 3
hollow idol
what are the 4/3 besides specific and reference im blind
tawny garden
@radiant meadow an exclamation point needs to be issued
gusty axle
oh yikes am I not allowed to suggest something like a new armour set?
earnest vine
no
tawny garden
read the pins
tawny garden
Any suggestions to add a new, specific item, with a name, laid-out function, stats, sprite, etc. (This is known as a Specific Item Suggestion, or SIS)
Any suggestions whose only reason for existing is to be a reference to something else.
Make sure you always include a reason, and make it as detailed as you can.
craggy stratus
@hollow shell should i change my suggestion from changing the boss itself, to rework the weapon instead
earnest vine
most people will understand, but you could make more clear what you mean by "mana reduction"
so why not adding a mana reduction to make
@still cliff
tawny garden
Shades's sugg was sugged once by CrabBar, I remember that
earnest vine
mana cost reduction
unreal viper
I agree with the arcane buff sugg.
unreal viper
What about quick :(
sand umbra
reason: if Arcane is good then what modifiers will we meme on for being terrible
rapid pivot
tbh i think that most of the reforges need to be made more viable
unreal viper
Ye
sturdy geyser
robust lava
Violent or Quick
sand umbra
oh yeah I forgot Quick series exists
that is how inconsequential that series of reforges is
rapid pivot
because it's generally accepted right now that if you're not using warding or menacing, you're doing it wrong
unreal viper
Violent is good but only for true melee.
karmic stone
Apparently quick is good in 1.4 (?)
sand umbra
violent was also good for yo-yos before Cal yo-yos got fixed
and to a point it still is
unreal viper
Lucky is only used if you have a crit proc iirc.
tawny garden
no, menacing is still über alles in vanilla
unreal viper
Lucky is very good in vanilla too.
sand umbra
I still need to absolutely murder Menacing and friends in cold blood
tawny garden
and in cal tbh
sand umbra
and make Precise/Lucky increase damage variation maybe
sand umbra
actually wait no I remember now
fuck
where was my minirambling on this
I don't remember the plans off the top of my head
god damnit
tawny garden
Lucky is very good in vanilla too.
if you perform maths, you'll see that Menacing is still better than lucky
unreal viper
Depends actually
sand umbra
found it
radiant meadow
@tawny garden which one?
tawny garden
wdym?
radiant meadow
You pinged me like half hour ago in the middle of class
sand umbra
this isn't gonna be a half-hour rant I swear
I wrote up this series of concepts for changes I'd make to equipables modifiers probably coming for EE re-release since I've already doomed myself to rebalance like the entire game at this point
Menacing series: reduces offensive damage variance in exchange for increased damage
Precise: increases crit damage instead of crit chance
Lucky: slightly increases luck and crit chance
Warding series: reduces defensive damage variance in exchange for increased defense
Arcane: also increases mana efficiency by 5% (in a context where mana efficiency is in a diminishing returns sorta setup maybe)
Quick series: actually fucking affects speed including boots, nerfed to compensate
Violent series: increases all attack speed, not just melee, nerfed to compensate
unreal viper
Violent effecting all speed scares me.
radiant meadow
Luck stat moment
tawny garden
tf is "defensive damage variance"?
radiant meadow
Enemy attack variance
left ice
All violent megashark or something would be interesting.
sand umbra
^
tl;dr damage variance applies to all attack rolls, including those against the player
radiant meadow
Aka why you might get hit by 90 then 100 dng then 87
tawny garden
ahhh
radiant meadow
Violent scarlet devil
left ice
Extra points if you reforge it to the best speed and use thorium's frenzy potion as well.
tawny garden
it's currently always ±15%, is it?
left ice
I thought it was +15/-10?
cobalt pewter
I still need to absolutely murder Menacing and friends in cold blood
@sand umbra I cut them in half
sand umbra
to show you the power of flex tape
radiant meadow
I think it's 15% variance
sand umbra
I sawed this meta in half
radiant meadow
Old die makes it 25% variance
cobalt pewter
And fixed it with just some Quick
tawny garden
and it even works underwater
cobalt pewter
Doesn't old die make +25/-30% or smth? I forgot
Wait the other way around
-25/+30%
unreal viper
Ye
radiant meadow
Close enough
void kelp
reminder to self to make suggestion that consumable fish should have an item to increase the odds of fishing them up
sand umbra
consumable fish as in...
robust lava
The grab bag fish I'm guessing?
void kelp
aye
hollow idol
Steampunker sells Astral Solution and you dont need ore to make an Aureus summon, and Aureus will make a meteor fall
vital girder
Ah, right. Checked the wiki for any solutions for no meteor, and asked in help and advice but didn't get much results. Thanks!
Annnd that didn't work
robust lava
Astral Solution doesn’t work in multiplayer, so try it in single player
robust lava
Do you have a sky bridge?
vital girder
Oh, yep, does that block the meteor?
robust lava
Yes, like in vanilla
vital girder
Huh, that would explain a lot
Well I'm just an idiot then, gonna take me a while to destroy the bridge
void kelp
f i s h i n g
dapper coral
tawny garden
it's valid
although you could just clentaminate with 1 of astral solution
and that'll give you 30 blocks
dapper coral
i think the point is that it would cost 2 plat to summon AD the first time which is lame, or something
graceful stream
Calamity Vanities adds old Auric Helm
I'd ping them, but invalid_user
Who made this sugg?
About old auric helm
frail mantle
TheForsakenOne
tawny garden
i think the point is that it would cost 2 plat to summon AD the first time which is lame, or something
well, yeah, I see
but you'd probably already have the clentaminator by that point
dapper coral
perhaps
tawny garden
that sugg is good anyway
dapper coral
i usually don't buy it in a playthrough at all but i'm sure there are people who use it liberally
graceful stream
@steep crown , Calamity Vanities mod adds old Auric Helm
fossil finch
2 plat is also nothing at that point
dapper coral
byeah it's fine in concept
tawny garden
i'm sure there are people who use it liberally
shudders
dapper coral
turns out calamity vanities was mentioned when the sugg was made lol
but idk if they said anything about it
tawny garden
I usually go nuts and clear the whole world
tawny garden
who?
left ice
Nooooooo! I made a typo in my suggestion! D:
tawny garden
where? 
earnest vine
allow a player to only have to have one of them.
left ice
Equipped has two P's, not one.
left ice
Not if it's posted by the bot already.
ancient crow
something i just noticed, the last time a sugg managed to hit the star requirement was seven whole days ago
dapper coral
stars are lacking lately, yes. the requirement will likely be lowered in the coming weeks
dapper coral
i noticed (unfortunately)
tawny garden
sorry
sleek turret
I like astralachnea's suggestion. Fishing is kinda boring, but rewarding.
dapper coral
lol
sleek turret
(Yes, I like fishing, ik it sucks balls but its kinda good)
tawny garden
spider's suggs are rare, but good
void kelp
I like fishing too
dapper coral
fishing is fun
void kelp
also yeah, I don’t make Suggs often but When I do I make an effort to make Them Good
sleek turret
Yeah.
unkempt bolt
people who make intentionally bad suggs smh
chilly solstice
Are you talking about the last one or?..
something i just noticed, the last time a sugg managed to hit the star requirement was seven whole days ago
@ancient crow my sugg from 4 days ago is literally 1 star from the req. You can make a change now!
But seriously yeah, I feel like a lot of good suggs are just getting lost now.
dapper coral
you can always repost after a week if your sugg didn't get enough stars
dapper coral
eventually yeah
worldly saffron
This was suggested awhile ago but I want to give my opinion on it anyways
I feel cursed doesn't need to be removed, I would be happy about it, but you can get the Nazar relatively easily
glossy ruin
more and more people keep trying to buff destroyer
you can only do so much to a worm boss
violet dagger
laughs in doggo
worldly saffron
At its core, Destroyer will always be flawed because of what it is on a fundamental level
glossy ruin
a worm
violet dagger
it will always be flawed because it is the mechanical spine of cthulhu 
glossy ruin
isnt it the intestines?
worldly saffron
even though that would make much more sense
glossy ruin
well then why is eater of worlds made from flesh
violet dagger
terraria lore
worldly saffron
because Cthulhu was made from flesh
violet dagger
is weird
worldly saffron
duh stooped
glossy ruin
skeletron and eoc are fine
worldly saffron
tawny garden
this I guess is qualified as a bluecheck https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/694011996353331350
tawny garden
to march 1
violet dagger
ye its blue then
dapper coral
in all essence except the exact thing, yeah
tawny garden
ah, no, it's not a bluecheck
CrabBar asked to specifically increase jumps
but this is just "buff"
tawny garden
false alert
violet dagger
think it could be a bluecheck
since they're both trying to suggest buffing quick
but then again crabbar is asking for a specific buff
dapper coral
crab was more specific about it though
violet dagger
this one is just buff it
also when was the last time a sugg got approved by someone bots getting all of them now
wait nvm
the crimson rod one was approved by rover
tawny garden
I believe the bot should approve most of them
dapper coral
it's been a few days
the bot will approve everything unless something funky happens iirc
weak field
Quick modifier is just like brisk
It exists but nobody actually use them
Like guarding or sharp
tawny garden
mods should approve when
- the bot half-breaks
- the sugg was deleted by the author and then reposted shortly afterwards
- if there are waay to many suggs
(that's my opinion)
I used guarding before scaling DR happened
unique reef
how do we know when our Sugg has enough votes?
tawny garden
240 stars are needed
chilly solstice
240?
tawny garden
for all suggs since the most recent raise
civic pond
Won't those modifiers change in the future in 1.4
civic pond
Yeah i guess
wooden wedge
make a combination of these 2 weapons that do this because yes
radiant meadow
at the same time though, you'd need some reasoning
This is a salvagable one though, it's not a super specific one.
dapper coral
i'd say this is pretty damn specific, citing crafting materials and point in progression and projectiles
the only thing that it's missing is the name, pretty much
plush pilot
Ok
dapper coral
also formatting is wack, you need a header and then reasoning separated by shift+enter
tawny garden
the only thing that it's missing is the name, pretty much
shh don't give ideas
vital ore
Anyone know if the idea of adding stats to hooks has ever been suggested/thought about? Like how Calamity adds stats to wings
(tried general discord search but just in this channel alone the word "hooks" has been used 1k+ times lol)
radiant meadow
@plush pilot don't give it a name
have you seen the hooks?
that's already been done
you also need more reason beyond "it'd be cool"
and you shouldn't describe any functions. Just an upgrade of the two is fine.
plush pilot
Ok
vital ore
which hooks u referring to? I tried checking wiki and didnt find anything useful regarding the subject
radiant meadow
did you check in game?
vital ore
yes, i meant as in custom stats like how some wings give set bonuses, not as in a interface change
plush pilot
@radiant meadow so should I delete the post now?
plush pilot
Ok
dapper coral
and also add a reason beyond "it's cool"
radiant meadow
and you should read the pinned document
it outlines important guidelines on what can and cannot be suggested
marble phoenix
I think that when 1.4 Tmodloader launches, Calamity should have new Emotes & Pylons
ashen warren
I'm sure the devs will cross that bridge when they get there
sturdy geyser
violet dagger
thorium has revengeance support
marble phoenix
What? I like to combine Calamitys Extra Health Fruit with Thorium Extra Health Fruit
violet dagger
wot
radiant meadow
did you read the pinned document?
that outlines important guidelines on what can and cannot be suggested
ashen warren
I think they're still editing their suggestion
craggy stratus
my suggestion is funky
dapper coral
violet dagger
yes
plush pilot
I just red the document but I'm not sure if my suggestion is good now
radiant meadow
It's better now
plush pilot
Ok
violet dagger
that sugg is a lot better
dapper coral
yeah that's good
rose jewel
anything to change
violet dagger
looks good to me
ashen warren
Regarding the Ice Clasper/Frost Barrier suggestion, that can be easily solved with battle potions and water candles, and even Zerg Potions if you're at that stage of the game, but I see where you're coming from with that @rose jewel
rose jewel
even with Zerg and chaos candle it is still a good 15-20 minutes of farming
jaunty ice
do vote posts even make it to the required 240 stars? Looking at all the proposals it seems like there aren't enough active voters to hit the marks >_>
radiant meadow
some do, yes
tawny garden
@hollow shell there's a high demand, as it seems, to decrease the requirement
hollow shell
We're aware, and have been aware for like a week
We'll tally again soon/later and will decrease the requirement (retroactively) if need be
tawny garden
@exotic stag "do at least more..."
hollow shell
Yeah Cat I have no idea what your suggestion is trying to say
exotic stag
Im just saying make it do atleast more damage then 50. i had to grind plaguebringer to even get my 300 damage plague back
tawny garden
you should specify in the title that it's damage
hollow shell
The word "damage" is nowhere in that sentence
zenith hazel
don't judge a weapon by its base damage tbh
tawny garden
that's not a valid sentence
jaunty ice
We'll tally again soon/later and will decrease the requirement (retroactively) if need be
@hollow shell thanks for the quick response, good to know that info
exotic stag
Elementalthrower does like 50 damage. While one of its materials i think the plague one does over 300.
tawny garden
and yea, balancing
hollow shell
i-frames, Cat.
Base damage is not everything that makes up a weapon
exotic stag
Well when i use it. It shouldnt do literally garbage against king slime
Which is what its doing
hollow shell
Blight Spewer (the plague one) does more base damage because it hits less often
Elemental Eruption (the elemental one) hits a lot more often
exotic stag
Its doing literally nothing
actually no. i'd still rather use the plague one instead of elemental because of literally its stats being way better
Not even the debuff
rose jewel
Zenith is better than meowmere so yeah
zenith hazel
if a post-ML wep is not able to kill king slime then you're definitely doing something wrong
exotic stag
I even switched to my ranger set
and it still swept up until skeletron
Where then its like: "Nah im just gonna die now."
hollow shell
Cat can you send a video of Elemental Eruption being garbage against KS
exotic stag
I will tomorrow
zenith hazel
yea I definitely smell mod conflict
exotic stag
because its late at night for me
exotic stag
The only mod i used it with was cal mod
radiant meadow
it'd also be nice if you tested them on providence
exotic stag
Because it was my friends server
tawny garden
multiplayer bugs?
exotic stag
Probably.
But i mean i also had to cheat sheet it in cause it just vanished after i used it for an hour
hollow shell
. _.
hollow shell
Just get Gyazo and send a gif
exotic stag
i dont have any idea what the hecc thati s
exotic stag
im not one for downloading though cause again: Late at night
hollow shell
Alright, you can do it tomorrow
exotic stag
I'll take an ss against a dummy (one singular dummy)
With both plague thrower and elemental eruption
hollow shell
Don't test DPS against dummies
radiant meadow
Gyazo can only do 7 second gifs for free
exotic stag
bud super dummies are broken
exotic stag
Apparently they are because
When i try to despawn them
They just respawn
Out of nowhere
hollow shell
Go in a singleplayer world
exotic stag
I was.
radiant meadow
In all fairness, it doesn't matter since neither weapon has homing.
hollow shell
Cat what is wrong with your game
exotic stag
Dunno
hollow shell
Do you gotta redownload Terraria/tModLoader?
exotic stag
I already tried that
I think its just the fact that i cant use it on my main
Which is odd
Because i should be able to use tmod on my main but i cant
It just sends me to the top of the store of tmod
weak field
Halley's inferno does more damage than photoviscerater
exotic stag
but slower
weak field
Pretty sure that it's a mod conflict
Because you're most likely the first one to say that elemental eruption is worse than blight spewer
exotic stag
bruh i was using cheat sheet and cal. thats it
Unless somehow cheat sheet interferes with elemental eruption
which it shouldnt
hollow shell
How curious
dapper coral
Because you're most likely the first one to say that elemental eruption is worse than blight spewer
you're probably the first person to ever say that elemental eruption doesn't work on KS
exotic stag
Im the first person to even complain about elemental eruption
vital ore
more of a quality of life suggestion I got,
since there is a lot of plants required in the mod,
especially after newest update (cuz of dye in the power ups)
make the Staff of Regrowth grow Jungle Grass on Mud?
heady storm
Tfw ml tier weapon doesn’t work on KS for you.
dapper coral
make the Staff of Regrowth grow Jungle Grass on Mud
isn't there some clentaminator solution that makes jungle biome? or is that another mod
novel belfry
another mod
vital ore
just checked wiki, must be a mod
ancient crow
i mean you can use green solution on shroom grass
vital ore
I also in my own experience had the genious bigbrain idea of using green solution in jungle thinking it was "cleanse-solution" 
unique reef
worldly saffron
there is dark green solution in LuiAFK, so I think that's what you were thinking of @dapper coral
dapper coral
probably
heady storm
That is indeed a thing.
dapper coral
actually i think i used it for folly nohit lol