#suggestions-discussion

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cobalt pewter
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if the new item is too strong or the existing item just sucked that much
@sand umbra it can be both definitely

distant gyro
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consider pygmy necklace

sand umbra
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both is also a potential outcome

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not as likely, but definitely possible

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also I just looked at Pygmy Necklace

meme

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conclusion to be drawn: Voltaic Jelly stronk

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but also First Shadowflame boring

rapid pivot
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hm

sand umbra
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something else to be noted:

rapid pivot
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now i'm tempted to suggest either a FS buff (all attacks inflict Shadowflame, vs minion attacks only) or a VJ nerf

sand umbra
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Voltaic Jelly has an upgrade post-SG which is even more interesting and powerful

smoky wagon
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On the topic of my patron weapon I think a better solution might be to remove the cursed debuff from slime god

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Because its such a cancer debuff

ashen warren
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no

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just no

sand umbra
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finally, a man of culture

rapid pivot
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nazar

distant gyro
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remove the cursed debuff HDfailure

smoky wagon
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^

ashen warren
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no

sand umbra
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petition for EE Cursed rework to be implemented in place of current Cursed in base Terraria iirc

ashen warren
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nah

sand umbra
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yah

smoky wagon
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Honestly most of the debuffs slime god inflicts are pretty unfair for pre-hardmode

sand umbra
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Distorted

Distorted

sleek turret
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(distorted)

sand umbra
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this is my daily assertion that Distorted is the objectively worst debuff in the game

unreal viper
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Just hook nub

sand umbra
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it doesn't even work right half the time what a scam

tawny garden
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Distorted has never screwed me up

ashen warren
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grappling hook

sand umbra
tawny garden
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it's also like
easy to get away from the core

cobalt pewter
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Distorted bad

ashen warren
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you need to do sharp turns with a dashing accessory

sand umbra
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oh no you don't
this is NOT turning into a discussion of why SG sucks

ashen warren
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SG sucks

sand umbra
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nope

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not doin' it

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you can't bait me into a rant at 9 in the morning

ashen warren
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naw

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get gud

smoky wagon
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From my experience disorted in the last phase can turn like one hit into three

tawny garden
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he's already gud

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at rants

sand umbra
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now then
Distorted is a terrible debuff and should be replaced with like
the effect from the lore item or something

smoky wagon
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Debuffs that take away from movement so severely in general are never fun

sand umbra
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(seriously why is SG lore item effect used literally nowhere else it's wasted potential)

smoky wagon
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In any game

cobalt pewter
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@sand umbra thomas noooo

sand umbra
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thomas yes

ashen warren
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ahahahaha how about a debuff that slows down your moving speed like youre covered in actual slime from the slime god

sand umbra
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what's hilarious is that that'd still be better than Distorted

cobalt pewter
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I'd personally make distorted a vertical version of confused

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You naturally float up, and you use jump to actually go down

rapid pivot
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Any thoughts on that?

sand umbra
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I'd personally make distorted a vertical version of confused
You naturally float up, and you use jump to actually go down

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you have no idea how much more intuitive that would be than current Distorted

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...or how much I wanna snag that idea for EE

cobalt pewter
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Ye I planned to add that in my own mod

rapid pivot
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Debuffs that take away from movement so severely in general are never fun
||don't mention that to Fargo when you're doing the emode WOF fight||

cobalt pewter
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Distorted is never fun

sand umbra
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we can both do it I guess pogooo

cobalt pewter
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'fcourse

sand umbra
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game ing

cobalt pewter
rapid pivot
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Any thoughts on my sugg, mind?

sand umbra
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adding to my to-do list

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NOW THEN

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I'm not 100% on this sugg

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primarily because there's a severe lack of Summoner content from the Goblin Suimmoner

rapid pivot
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hm

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the only thing I could think of for that would probably be a SIS

sand umbra
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(which don't even really summon anything)

rapid pivot
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('summon shadowflame apparitions')

sand umbra
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(why are Terraria enemies terrible at having appropriate names)

tawny garden
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make it not SIS taxevasion

cobalt pewter
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not to plug my unfinished mod but speaking of goblin summoner, I'd personally give it an actual summon drop and give its other drops to other mobs in goblin army

sand umbra
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(perhaps not quite with Summoner but like why do Necromancers fire instantaneous bolts of fuck you)

rapid pivot
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||they took inspiration from how weapons work in Doom||

sand umbra
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(why do they not practice necromancy like their name would imply)

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anywho the discussion of Terraria being terrible at name-appearance or name-function consistency is one for another time and place

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for now: still give First Shadowflame some sort of bonus to summons specifically

rapid pivot
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hm

tawny garden
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(maybe not another place, but definitely for another time)

sand umbra
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(potentially)

rapid pivot
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... here's an idea

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what if it let you summon one Shadowflame Apparition for every 2-3 minions you had summoned already

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kinda like a bonus

cobalt pewter
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Or maybe utilizing minions' fixed crit chance?

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So maybe on summon crits an Apparition will show up that deal a certain amount of dmg or smth

rapid pivot
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Can minions crit that early in the game?

sand umbra
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all minions can crit at a fixed 4% rate

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this is a change made by Calamity

cobalt pewter
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Can't be boosted in any way

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But yes

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4%

rapid pivot
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hm

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that could work, yeah

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revising sugg

cobalt pewter
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Avoid getting it too specific

rapid pivot
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Better?

sand umbra
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seems pretty pogooo to me

rapid pivot
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Pogooo?

sand umbra
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pogooo.

cobalt pewter
sand umbra
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and now I disappear into the ether once more

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good by e

cobalt pewter
pine star
weak field
ashen warren
radiant meadow
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alright we can stop now

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no more chaining

untold cargo
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Art server?

swift wharf
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^

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There is one already

radiant meadow
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@austere ibex check out the art server, ye
Invite is in #info

tawny garden
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There is one already
genmedia?

austere ibex
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ah it seems my brain small

craggy stratus
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gleaming/gilded dagger also target critters

radiant meadow
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okay thank you

craggy stratus
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Nychthemeron spinning projectiles also homes in critter, both normal and stealth strike

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looks like homing projectiles love to kill everything HDfailure

radiant meadow
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I fixed most of them for next update

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it was just how Alterra wrote tracking code

cobalt pewter
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That name reminds me of Subnautica

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But anyway

gray nebula
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doesnt the final dawn make you invicible

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while spinning

cobalt pewter
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Nope as far as I'm aware

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I got hit by yharon doing that

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But invincibility would be nice albeit a lil too much to me as it can be abused

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So far I've relied a lot on the basic stealth strike

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Which is tremendously more useful and less risky

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As the fires linger for a shitton of time

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I wonder if I need to ask the dedicatee for this or does balance not need them?

hollow shell
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It's kinda just a balance change so permission's not really needed?

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Also I guess uh
@ancient echo , Guwa would rather you make a suggestion about getting rid of SG's Cursed than working Flurrystorm around it

ancient echo
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oof

hollow shell
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(which I agree with. Very obnoxious, and punishing to have in all modes)

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((also for your treasure sugg, the sulphurous one is called "Sulphurous Treasure"))

unique reef
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i'm sad

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my idea has the least votes

hollow shell
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Give it time

cobalt pewter
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SG's debuffs are generally unfun yes

hollow shell
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(and also refrain from bringing up your sugg's star count cuz it can be annoying)

cobalt pewter
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Distorted, Cursed

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I'd better off nohit the mf

hollow shell
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Pretty brutal debuffs to have on a boss with an already aggressive AI

cobalt pewter
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Mmhm

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I'd probably replace Cursed with Confused, and rework Distorted altogether

hollow shell
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Oh Confused could be just as bad

unique reef
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yeah

cobalt pewter
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True, but imo it's not as bad as cursed

unique reef
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Cursed is kinda useless vs Summons tho

cobalt pewter
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There's counterplay to confused

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Then there's cursed

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Haha no items fuck you

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Also regarding Distorted rework, I actually talked about it a bit with tom here, might suggest it later

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I'd personally make distorted a vertical version of confused
You naturally float up, and you use jump to actually go down

hollow shell
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That'd be funny

cobalt pewter
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And has a more accessible counterplay to it

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And in the case of wings, trying to fly will prolly drag ya down

hollow shell
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I also noticed the idea to replace it with a new debuff that gives you the SG Lore (Frozen Slime Block) effect

which would be disorienting but not devastating

cobalt pewter
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Ooh I'd personally apply it for both beeg slimes

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Suggesting time yeeeeeee

radiant meadow
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so you think slippery would be better than cursed and weak?

cobalt pewter
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Duh

radiant meadow
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do they still inflict mana sickness for some reason?

cobalt pewter
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I'd take slippery and reduced defense rather than cursed

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I'm indifferent about weak tho

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do they still inflict mana sickness for some reason?
The wha

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Never noticed it

distant gyro
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gone with the brimstone flames

hollow shell
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I didn't see that in the fight but I thought the Blight Slimes did that

distant gyro
cobalt pewter
radiant meadow
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okay so it was removed when brim flames was removed

wooden wedge
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@umbral mulch seperate your header from the main sugg

hollow shell
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It is separated.

umbral mulch
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It wasn't

hollow shell
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(How many times I gotta tell y'all you only need one line break)

umbral mulch
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lul

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Oh

hollow shell
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aight well at least it's more readable now

wooden wedge
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I know that you only need one break but I guess it just looked a little weird

hollow shell
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You should give your new rework an explanation as to why it'd be better than current, Kirn

umbral mulch
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I thought saying without spam clicking it's not very strong would be enough of an explanation on it's own

civic gust
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perhaps add killtimes or shit

hollow shell
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I'd appreciate something for why your idea specifically would solve the issue

cobalt pewter
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Also yes, some testing would be nice

umbral mulch
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Alright that's a bit more explainable

jaunty ice
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fellas, never posted in suggestions before - anything with my post that I need to address?

cobalt pewter
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@jaunty ice that's fine ig

hollow shell
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Looks fine.
That last point about bein post-ML is a bit extreme imo considering you're probably not gonna move your base when youre 2/3 of the way through the game

civic gust
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yeah

jaunty ice
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probably yes, but I wasn't sure what to do about that

cobalt pewter
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I guess making it earlier wouldn't be much of a problem

jaunty ice
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it wouldn't be good for it to be available pre-potion

hollow shell
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You can make it crafted using the potions

cobalt pewter
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e.g. made with pots

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Yes

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Also I forgot to suggest stealth version of Astral Injection

jaunty ice
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updated based on feedback, thanks all

cobalt pewter
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Np

umbral mulch
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Is it fine if I link a timestamped video showing how holding M1 against scal isn't exactly the best

unique reef
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i guess my next suggestion idea is more weapons that have multiple modes like Flamsteed ring

umbral mulch
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Embeds removed ofc lul

civic gust
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a lot of weapons have alt-fires galva

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but im guessing you mean something more sophisticated than that?

unique reef
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well, not quite like "alt-fires"

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yeah

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Flamsteed has a little menu that allows you to select modes

civic gust
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hmm well what i think is that would be too... complex? for normal weapons

unique reef
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yeah

hollow shell
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You can send that here first Kirn

cobalt pewter
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@unique reef that could lean abit towards SIS

umbral mulch
cobalt pewter
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Just throw 50 bucks into their patreon

unique reef
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shame

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i have so many ideas, but i have nowhere to vent them

civic gust
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cut the part in question out maybe kirn

umbral mulch
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aaaa I'd need to find the file and reupload then

civic gust
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just download the video taxevasion

hollow shell
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Actually it looks like it gets pretty respectable DPS against her
I didn't even know about the strat where you fling her towards you like that

The reason why it's takin so long is cuz you're trying to no-hit

umbral mulch
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Even not nohit it takes 7 minutes lul

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And I got her to sit in front of me for 2 seconds in full glass gear and she only took like 2 direct murasama hits

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The rest was fungal symbiote

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There's no way she shouldn't go to next bullet hell there

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2:43 3:45 3:58 4:11 4:36 5:31 5:34 6:31 6:39 7:07 7:13 7:36 7:46 There's also a few timestamps of murasama just

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Not hitting

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At all

civic gust
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honestly i feel like spam is a bit too melty

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but yeah m1 hold is just fucking bad

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i think the changes are a good balance personally

umbral mulch
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Yes

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That's why I want it to be compensation buffed

civic gust
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yeah

umbral mulch
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Or at least more consistent

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Than that

sleek turret
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off topic here: are you a w+m1 pyro?

umbral mulch
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I don't play tf2 lul

sleek turret
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well, i guess you can have a try for it.

unique reef
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I have an idea

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i love the idea of summon weapons that only last temporarily and don't require minion slots

tawny garden
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ye, these are called "magic weapons"

cobalt pewter
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Borealis Bomber would like to talk to your manager

tawny garden
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I know about it, I'm just messing around

sleek turret
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i think theres a weapon (borealis bomber)

unique reef
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Borealis Bomber is awesome. I think it would be nice to have more weapons like it

tawny garden
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and it's just a magic weapon in disguise

civic gust
cobalt pewter
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After trying the final dawn again

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I REALLY want to love the alt stealth

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But god damn it is fuckin risky

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LOL

civic gust
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wait

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alt stealth?

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wot

cobalt pewter
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The y e e t

hollow shell
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[[The Final Dawn]]

red stormBOT
civic gust
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i did not realise that existed

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damb

cobalt pewter
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The y e e t doesn't have a gif there

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Too bad

civic gust
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so is rogue actually viable now for yharon or is it still ech

cobalt pewter
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So far I've been only playing around with The Final Dawn

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But p1 is pretty iffy on stealth yes

civic gust
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p1 is literally the entire fight

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p2 is lol

cobalt pewter
near ore
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i agree with SG cus if ur hit once chances are your gonna die cus he hits u again before the timer runs out, making it incredibly hard to escape

civic gust
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just hook smh

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but yeah it's pretty unfair

hollow shell
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Can't hook while Cursed darylsweating

unique reef
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i've never have trouble with SG

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just keep track of the core, and do a big circle. he can't catch you

ashen warren
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his hitbox so small

hollow shell
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cept there's also two (or three or four) huge boys with Biome Mimic AI, too
that also shoot lingering mines and spawn minions
and the core teleports around when alone

unique reef
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when he teleports, just get distance, so that when he charges, you have time to react

ashen warren
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removing the challenge is no fun too

hollow shell
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Removing/reworking the debuffs won't remove the challenge

ashen warren
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it will

sand umbra
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no it won’t

hollow shell
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Okay I guess it will then

tawny garden
ashen warren
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getting hit is so deadly in the figght

civic gust
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just massively shorten length honestly

ashen warren
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and as i knoow

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you can use a nazar

hollow shell
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If the boss relies on disabling your items and fucking your mobility every time you get hit in order to be challenging,
that's a problem with the boss fight

cobalt pewter
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Removing/reworking the debuffs won't remove the challenge
Okay I guess it will then
A story in 2 messages

ashen warren
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If the boss relies on disabling your items and fucking your mobility every time you get hit in order to be challenging,
that's a problem with the boss fight
nazar

hollow shell
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Okay but what if we make it so you don't need Nazar

ashen warren
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you don't

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just don't get hit lolol

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no joke use a nazar

unique reef
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SG ez

hollow shell
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Can you like stop being a dick for one second

civic gust
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just nohit HDfailure

tawny garden
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If the boss relies on disabling your items and fucking your mobility every time you get hit in order to be challenging,
that's a problem with the boss fight
THE LORDE did that

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lol

civic gust
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ok but in all seriousness, i think shortening debuff length should do it?

hollow shell
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Actually true

civic gust
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well i mean yeah but not everyone can rover

ashen warren
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minus 1 accessory slot, being able to use your stuff

hollow shell
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Cursed already only lasts 2 seconds

civic gust
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also it's not fair to make a boss completely reliant on nohit

ashen warren
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seems fair

civic gust
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yeah actually cursed is fine but distortion is just fuck

ashen warren
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the challenge is accessory management

sand umbra
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you’re really about to tell me there’s nothing challenging about having two Big Chungus-sized Biome Mimics (one of which inflicts Cursed!), a Flocko that can inflict Distorted, and a literal minefield of projectiles cucking your every move, all with pre-HM mobility

there is a lot of bullshit that tends to come up with such a setup and to newer players it’s absolutely a challenge to contend with

ashen warren
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seems fair enough for me

sand umbra
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“but Thomaaaaaas, I nohit the bossss!!!!”
good for you, but at the same time, nobody cares

civic gust
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yeah thomas

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wait wtf i wasnt flexing or anything

ashen warren
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"the challenge is accessory management"

sand umbra
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this is a discussion of why SG isn’t particularly enjoyable to fight normally, meaning getting hit is a likely possibility

civic gust
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yeah, hence why i said that reducing length of debuffs (particularly distorted) should make it more fair

ashen warren
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i know

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but nerfing him is a eh

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he is pretty challenging

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but the distorted debuff has to be a joke

civic gust
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yeah

sand umbra
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Distorted is fuck

ashen warren
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is hardmode as i remember

civic gust
sand umbra
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it’s that Vortex Pillar debuff nobody likes

civic gust
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just make it 2 seconds like everything else for fuck's sake

ashen warren
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it is very endgame in vanilla

civic gust
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also has practically no counters

sand umbra
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Cursed is also fuck
if slightly less so because you can actually get immunity to it pre-SG...at the cost of an accessory slot

civic gust
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cursed is fair honestly

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except when paired with distortion

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then it's just sort of wtf cos no hooks

sand umbra
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make Crimulan god inflict Burning Blood or Bleeding or something

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something that things in the Crimson actually inflict

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instead of haha funny item lock go brrrrr

ashen warren
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but it was a very questionable game design from the dev team to make a prehardmode boss inflect an endgame debuff

civic gust
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well yeah i guess there's that aspect as well

sand umbra
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questionable game design is far from absent even from Calamity, unfortunately

civic gust
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yeah

ashen warren
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sadly

civic gust
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better than vanilla tho daryl

sand umbra
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ech

civic gust
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black spot

ashen warren
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not so much better than vanilla

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but i get you

sand umbra
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wouldn’t really call it better, just that the issues are in different places

void marsh
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has anyone suggested nerfing the defence of the Fearmonger armour set?

ashen warren
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no

hollow shell
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Not that I'm aware

void marsh
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then i might as well do it

civic gust
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i think there was a sugg at one point

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but yeah it's definitely a good idea

ashen warren
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the defense is a little high ngl

void marsh
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because an armour set with more defence than summoner auric tesla before yharon isn't ok

ashen warren
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for summoner

civic gust
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wait what the fuck

ashen warren
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yes

void marsh
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yes

sleek turret
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all-class, mostly for summoner

distant gyro
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fearmonger set is advertised to be a "hybrid summoner tank" set

void marsh
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also, you gain regen as long as your summons deal damage

hollow shell
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I thought that was the point of it

sleek turret
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the cons of it is not having a revive

hollow shell
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yeah

distant gyro
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keep that in mind when making your suggestion

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whether it is too good at doing its job is arguable

sleek turret
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have this

distant gyro
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and whether it should be nerfed offensive or defensive wise

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idk

sleek turret
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[[Fearmoneger Armor]]

red stormBOT
civic gust
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no e

sand umbra
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meme

distant gyro
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butchered

hollow shell
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lowercase armor

ashen warren
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how much damage does it deal

sand umbra
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[[Fearmonger armor]]

red stormBOT
ashen warren
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like +%?

distant gyro
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11% overall 40% summon

ashen warren
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yeah it is hybrid

distant gyro
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the big interest point is +6 max minions though

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(god slayer is +3)

civic gust
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wait what

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bruh

distant gyro
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yes

hollow shell
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Have you used Fearmonger in-game, Kristaps?

sand umbra
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the power of specialized armor

distant gyro
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stardust is 5, god slayer is 3, fearmonger is 6

hollow shell
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Your points look like they could be assumptions from the wiki page

ashen warren
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"Life regeneration temporarily increased by 14 on every minion hit. The duration increases by 1/3 of a second per minion hit, up to a maximum of 3 seconds" wtf

civic gust
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wtf

ashen warren
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yeah what

sand umbra
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so basically it’s permanent

distant gyro
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too bad every boss inflicts a debuff past this point

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so that regen is rendered useless if you get hit for a while

ashen warren
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"Immunity to On Fire!, Frostburn, Cursed Inferno, Shadowflame, Daybroken, Burning, Brimstone Flames, Abyssal Flames, Holy Flames, God Slayer Inferno, Chilled, Frozen, and Glacial State debuffs"

civic gust
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oh yeah one thing that pissed me off is abyssal flames

sand umbra
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oh yeah Yharon procs LLB now

distant gyro
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yes yharon has lava on his side

civic gust
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wait never mind i meant vulnerability hex

distant gyro
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i hate abyssal flames more than vhex

civic gust
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because it just completely negates silva invul

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i dont remember which it was honestly

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but both together is wtf

distant gyro
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except maybe the fact that brimstone elemental inflicts it

civic gust
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oh yeah

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that

hollow shell
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(real quick)
@ancient echo Your treasure sugg could be reworded or expanded a little bit. The "sulphurous one" is Sulphurous Treasure and you should emphasize that auto-reuse is the important part
(also your top line says that they should both be usable as "an item" which can be confusing)

ashen warren
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you get it like after dog

ancient echo
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it was a bad suggestion i just wanted to avoid feeling carpal tunnel whenever I try to open like 120 Treasure in one go

ashen warren
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and it kinda ignore summoner damage penalty

ancient echo
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so making it usable means you can just beep boop

hollow shell
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You can still edit your suggestion. It's a fine sugg, you do get a lot of treasures.

ancient echo
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I cba tbh

hollow shell
ashen warren
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when they hit you with the "cba"

hollow shell
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I'll delete it then I guess
You can repost the next time you open a stack of them and you feel more impassioned about it

tawny garden
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stop

hollow shell
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Yeah no gifs here plz

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Here's the sugg, for convenience

Make abyssal treasure and the sulphorous one usable as an item

if there is a large stack of these, it will be easier to just use them rather than having to constantly right click

weak field
#

Defense doesn't really matter

#

cba?

hollow shell
#

cock and ball aurture

cobalt pewter
#

Can't be arsed

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Basically

weak field
#

Around the level of fearmonger, that extra defense is not gonna get your anywhere

cobalt pewter
#

Lazy

ashen warren
#

it means something like "cant be bothered"

weak field
#

Oh ok

hollow shell
#

Anyway
We got the ❗ situation worked out and it is now official

#

Any suggestions in posting right now that you think have problems or could be improved?

violet dagger
#

This new reaction is gonna help organize a lot more

hollow shell
#

It will.
We also implemented auto-approve for suggs that reach 24 hours with no ❗

#

so, no more accidental deaths of the innocent

#

(I say "we", I should say "Amber". Thanks again Amber 👍)

unique reef
#

that makes me more relieved

violet dagger
#

That is very pogfish

sleek turret
tawny garden
#

(ye, I know I'm late)

pale glacier
#

Or, why not buff the auric summoner armor?

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Plus the auric armor does a lot more too, and more than makes up for those 2 things

craggy stratus
#

why not buff summon weapon post yharonp2

rapid pivot
#

Auric Tesla has an awful lot of other benefits, though

#

including the ability to come back from the dead twice

#

plus, it's defense; 20 less defense does not matter at that point in the game

cobalt pewter
#

Auric Tesla is fucking bloated it's not even funny

unique reef
#

yeah

#

it's better than the "dev set" Demonshade armor

sand umbra
#

❗ is here

#

this is
the pog fish

violet dagger
#

Anyways first candidate for the reaction is probably the elemental disk/celestus sugg

#

To me that seems more like a bug

unique reef
#

it's probably gonna be mine. It has the least stars

cobalt pewter
#

The sugg seems to fall apart at the end

violet dagger
#

It's for ones on posting

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If it's in voting

unique reef
#

oh

violet dagger
#

Nothing's going to happen

cobalt pewter
#

But Elemental Disk is stupid yes

#

I bullied SW and CV with it

hollow shell
#

I wouldn't say it's invalid because it's bug-like
I think Ele Disk just has an inherently exploitable behavior with on-hit effects

cobalt pewter
#

Isn't it just nearby?

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Not even on hit

hollow shell
#

I mean in that it spawns a shitload of projectiles

cobalt pewter
#

Ah yes

#

God I need better laptop, Ele disk against SW almost freezes my laptop

violet dagger
#

Also how tf did u do that cranium smasher deus kill

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His coiling invulnerability ends wayy after he uncoils

cobalt pewter
#

Also how tf did u do that cranium smasher deus kill
@violet dagger by forcing my laptop to freeze for 15 seconds

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His coiling invulnerability ends wayy after he uncoils
I'll tell ya in calam talk, not here

radiant meadow
#

they get auto approved now?

tawny garden
#

ye

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in 24 hours

radiant meadow
#

ehh

#

I do not recall automatic approval ever getting discussed.

tawny garden
#

I think it was briefly discussed here, but only briefly

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and mb Rover and Amber talked about that

radiant meadow
#

I just thought it would be y'know

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brought up in the actual voting thing

hollow shell
#

It was

tawny garden
#

you mean the mod corner?

hollow shell
#

Or at least it was a part of the suggestion I proposed

tawny garden
radiant meadow
#

Then Amber did a terrible job summarizing her vote

hollow shell
#

And it was part of the convo when I explained the suggestion

tawny garden
#

(it should be a 🏁 now I guess)

hollow shell
#

Indeed

radiant meadow
#

because that sounds like a pretty important part of it

hollow shell
#

Amber asked what needed changing on the bot end
I said it could be used to do auto-approvals
so she did that

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(In DM's)

radiant meadow
#

so

#

it wasn't in the voting

hollow shell
unique reef
#

hahaha, 69 votes

tawny garden
hollow shell
#

Galva I already told you to stop bringing up your suggestion's star count

unreal viper
#

Not enough stars :(

unique reef
#

sorry

#

still funny

weak field
#

nice

rose jewel
#

Melee has turtle

hollow shell
tawny garden
#

m yeah that's not allowed

#

(even though I did that myself once)

hollow shell
#

Spoilers, devs have taken some action based on your previous suggestion

unreal viper
#

Okay, this is epic.

novel belfry
#

ah yes, a slime god rework

#

we could do with a few ideas

#

but i have to do something

#

brb

hollow shell
#

m

#

This suggestion is a bit reductive, ain't it?

tawny garden
#

It may sound a bit aggressive

limber ocean
#

it kinda do

whole sedge
#

this feels like the 4th time today i've seen a slime god rework, is he really that bad for other people

hollow shell
#

@glossy ruin You wanna acknowledge the core at all, and the move where it periodically integrates with one of the big slimes to power em up?

unreal viper
#

You def need more reasoning.

glossy ruin
#

no, because it barely affects the fight at all.

hollow shell
#

You should say that in your suggestion

golden narwhal
#

Main thing people find bad about sg is debuffs

limber ocean
#

tbf

glossy ruin
#

i dont even mind the debuffs as much

limber ocean
#

distorted is annoying as shit

tawny garden
#

it wasn't for me

whole sedge
#

Distorted is the only thing that I dislike about the fight cause it affects your movement so heavily Shrug_DRGN

unreal viper
#

Also all the minions it spews are kinda significant.

tawny garden
#

it kinda helped me in a way, lol

frail mantle
#

removal is definitely not happening

hollow shell
#

Right now it seems like you're ignoring or forgetting about the core, rather than making the choice to not acknowledge it. Would be better if you said the core didn't do enough.

unreal viper
#

Mines are annoying and should be mentioned

frail mantle
#

rework might

sleek turret
#

just kill distorted debuff from SG ech

glossy ruin
#

what i care about most is just the hardmode mimic AI edited to spit out a bunch of projectiles

unreal viper
#

Mines in general are cringe imo

#

Kill distorted

frail mantle
#

fab doesn't like removing things+SG is one of the oldest bosses in the mod

limber ocean
#

removing things makes people ask for the things back, apparently

unreal viper
#

The question is whether the ai differences make you fight it differently

golden narwhal
#

Could change sugg to rework big slimes then

unreal viper
#

And how much differently

whole sedge
#

Yeah removing things always makes people angy even if the things removed are better off gone cough heart rapier

unique reef
#

i personally think Slime God is fine, but I do see where people are annoyed at the boss

golden narwhal
#

Since that seems to be your primary issue

unreal viper
#

We need heart rapier

rapid pivot
#

tbh I think calling it 'two hardmode mimics' is a dramatic oversimplification

unreal viper
#

Ye

sleek turret
#

the other true melee recovery life weapon, nice.

unreal viper
#

Do you fight it the same as mimics?

gray nebula
#

reworked slime god into an entirely different fight - done ✅

hollow shell
#

Oh right you also didn't mention the minions that the big slimes spawn when damaged, which include flying and spike-shooting slimes @glossy ruin

rapid pivot
#

No. You can't fight it like mimics, because of the final smash ball :P

sleek turret
#

bullet hell slime god ech

unreal viper
#

Honestly, reworking the fights entirely could be cool

#

But too much for a sugg

novel belfry
#

remember when slime god was literally just an oversized slime king

hollow shell
#

Way way long ago

unreal viper
#

You have to take things in bite sized chunks

radiant meadow
#

Distorted duration is reduced next update.

unreal viper
#

I can’t make a sugg to delete all Hardmode ore armors.

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So I made Suggs one by one on them.

unique reef
glossy ruin
#

once again, the minions barely affect the fight as of now. everytime i've fought this boss i've never had trouble with the minions cause im too busy dodging the giant hitboxes that are flying around me in the air

hollow shell
#

(Again, if you think they're too ineffective, mention that in your suggestion instead of excluding them)

whole sedge
#

^^

unreal viper
#

Ye

sturdy geyser
#

I feel like slime god could use work

#

but this isn't the way to go about it

unique reef
#

yeah. The minions are pretty much useless. I've never struggled vs SG, and i'm weirded out by it

unreal viper
#

I personally didn’t find them that impactful

rapid pivot
#

hm

#

Don't SK's minions shoot spikes?

#

Why not adjust SG minions to have something like that?

unreal viper
#

I think so

limber ocean
#

I had a few issues the first time

sturdy geyser
#

eh

hollow shell
#

SG minions do shoot spikes

limber ocean
#

went in blind with a couple friends

#

second time it was a lot easier

sturdy geyser
#

I feel like the minions just kinda clutter up the fight

limber ocean
#

with abyss gear and buffed up

sturdy geyser
#

if that makes sense

limber ocean
#

even in Rev it didn't feel too rough

unreal viper
#

I only struggle if I use an arena with only a couple platforms

#

Add platforms and I win

unique reef
#

yeah

unreal viper
#

Hmm

unique reef
#

I go at least 3 platforms

unreal viper
#

Let’s break the sugg apart

whole sedge
#

The only time I struggled with slimegod was when I took him blind the first time on Rev shrug

unreal viper
#

One pat could be phasing out the mimic ai

sturdy geyser
#

see what i would do

unreal viper
#

Another could be making the core more significant.

sturdy geyser
#

is i would suggest small changes to one part of the fight that go together to improve the fight overall

unreal viper
#

Ye

golden narwhal
#

Seems like the sugg should be "rework bug slimes" since the core doesn't seems to be too big an issue to them

unreal viper
#

Making the minions more impactful.

#

Making these Suggs like that would make them more reasonable and better liked.

#

You do have to get stars.

rapid pivot
#

I did notice the star count raised.

unkempt bolt
#

you also gotta get rid of the whole replacing bit since adding boss suggs are donts

sturdy geyser
#

you can make a suggestion to like improve the minions, and then give the cores syncronized attacks, etc.

rapid pivot
#

I'm gonna guess that was because of a sudden ballooning in terms of server population.

hollow shell
#

It did rise but it may not stay raised

#

Star count has been kinda fluctuating

unreal viper
#

@glossy ruin Consider putting individual greviances as seperate Suggs.

#

And word it less aggressively.

violet dagger
#

Replace slime god ain't happening

#

It was in the first public vers of calam

#

So only a partial rework would happen

hollow shell
#

You probably won't get very far sayin the whole fight sucks and should be redone, yeah

rapid pivot
#

hm

unreal viper
#

I honestly wouldn’t mind sg going, but you can’t just say stuff like that.

frail mantle
#

also the last line isn't really needed

unkempt bolt
#

the last bit is a don’t anyways

hollow shell
#

Yeah it's a grey area for askin for a new boss

glossy ruin
#

wording it aggressively is representitive of my feelings on the boss currently. i cant change that, otherwise i'd be lying. also, theres a 10 minute cooldown on the chat. it'd take ages in order to list all the reasons why the boss isn't very fun to fight against in its current state.

unkempt bolt
#

you can edit the message

rapid pivot
#

There's a difference between lying, and being diplomatic.

sturdy geyser
#

space out suggestions

hollow shell
#

You can change your current one to something smaller scale

sturdy geyser
#

and you can say things politely

hollow shell
#

and post something else in 10 minutes

unkempt bolt
#

you should objectively state flaws with the fight instead of just complaining that it’s bad

hollow shell
#

You can write em all up beforehand

sturdy geyser
#

spacing out suggestions will make them better recieved iirc

rapid pivot
#

Just because you feel strongly about it doesn't mean you have to be aggressive to the people who likely spent days on it.

tawny garden
#

days*

rapid pivot
#

Even if you convince the public, in the end, it's the devs you have to convince.

short kiln
#

I think the slime god fight is fine, it's not terribly hard if you use the wings, or if you have some other way to outrun the crimulan/ebon slimes

glossy ruin
#

honest to god i feel like my "aggressiveness" is getting blown out of proportion

whole sedge
#

It still really shouldn't exist in your suggestion

sturdy geyser
#

your suggestion is just badly stated

rapid pivot
#

I'd suggest scrolling up, then; really, this is just the tail-end of a longer discussion regarding your sugg.

#

Your 'aggression' was just the cherry on top.

frail mantle
#

it's not that aggressive, but it just feels a bit off when you say things like "the boss itself is already pretty bad" and "Just something that isn't another worm boss... Please."

#

a bit of rewording would do

tawny garden
#

(replacing the boss won't be done)

#

(not any time soon)

whole sedge
#

(likely not ever)

short kiln
#

To be honest, the only complaint I have regarding the Slime God boss is the cursed debuff, but then again you could just use a Nazhar

frail mantle
#

(replacing the boss probably won't be done period)

unique reef
#

or be a summoner

hollow shell
#

The wording itself isn't that aggressive (except the last sentence)
It's the suggestion itself of 'redo the whole boss because its just hardmode mimics plus other stuff that doesnt matter' comes off as quite reductive and unhelpful

glossy ruin
#

ok come on though there are 6 worm bosses i dont wanna fight another

frail mantle
#

((fab hates removing things and removing literally one of the oldest bosses in the mod would probably make part of the community throw an even bigger hissy fit than when Birb was renamed))

short kiln
#

Was there an actual hissy fit? I thought it was a joke

rapid pivot
#

There's no need to be snippy about it.

frail mantle
#

a lot of people got pissed because of the rename, yes

short kiln
#

That's a bit dumb

glossy ruin
#

its not fab's fault that the community is like that

whole sedge
#

Yeah they get mad at everything

frail mantle
#

also i doubt they'd make it a worm boss

short kiln
#

Update 29.3.7 Supreme Calamitas is now a worm

whole sedge
#

Yeah I don't see how a slime god would turn into a worm

frail mantle
short kiln
#

Major lore revision

#

Yharim was a worm all along, the accounts of him appearing before people were just apparitions

radiant meadow
#

Quit with the worms

tawny garden
hollow shell
#

You don't need to make another worm boss joke, just seems like you're brining it up to be mean

#

We definitely won't turn SG into a worm boss

#

like
clearly

ashen warren
#

"not edgy enough" lol

short kiln
#

Huh? I know

tawny garden
#
  1. it will make no sense
sleek turret
#

worm god ech

short kiln
#

I was joking

unreal viper
#

Torch god

radiant meadow
#

Philo, you're forgetting that same person also suggested to revert the name change

ashen warren
#

that's kinda funny

unreal viper
#

R.I.P goofy boss.

#

:(

frail mantle
#

trust nobody, not even yourself

tawny garden
#

lmao that was the same guy

#

or girl

#

lol

unreal viper
#

Same person

short kiln
#

Imo there's not even that many worm bosses, but anyways

unreal viper
#

Make it easy.

#

Not enough worms due to deus rework.

#

On the fearmonger sugg.

#

I do agree that it is op, but auric def has many advantages over it:

#

That are more significant than the def and regen.

#

Tho abyssal flames immunity is kinda op.

#

On the slime god debuff sugg, I def agree.

rapid pivot
#

Anything on the First Shadowflame sug I made/

unreal viper
#

The murusama sugg is def fair, though poorly formatted.

#

I like the idea of making it more unique, and making it have something to do with the summoner would be hella cool.

#

Idea might be too specific tho.

rapid pivot
#

tbh the only reason it's that specific is because of the reasons buffing the First Shadowflame was denied in the first place

#

namely, the devs not wanting to just make it a boring flat stat increase

#

(IIRC)

unreal viper
#

Making it too similar, ye.

#

Makes sense.

radiant meadow
#

I agree it needs a buff of some sort

#

But ye, stat boost is boring

rapid pivot
#

and it is probably one of the most flavor-texted accessories in the mod

#

so it deserves something unique

#

(apologies if the sugg's too specific, ben)

unreal viper
#

Hmm

#

Darn it.

rapid pivot
#

(plus, with that adjustment, it could even become the basis of a summoner accessory family)

#

(shadowflame to brimstone flames to holy fire and all that)

#

each upgrade summoning more powerful things, but eh.

unique reef
#

PSA does holy flame, tho

rapid pivot
#

that'd be up to the devs.

unique reef
#

(And i guess Nightwither, too i next update

radiant meadow
#

Psa won't do nightwither

#

Just psc

unique reef
#

oh

#

okay

rapid pivot
#

yeah, uh

#

PSC is, imo, by far the best/most fun accessory in the entire mod

#

bar none

radiant meadow
#

And psa is donor

unique reef
#

yeah

rapid pivot
#

(i'm willing to take any amount of flack for saying that)

#

(but it's true; that thing is amazing)

novel belfry
#

wahts psa?

#

or psc?

radiant meadow
#

Profaned Soul Artifact and Crystal

novel belfry
#

ah

violet dagger
#

is it intended that astrum deus splitting resets your adrenaline

radiant meadow
#

Fixed next update

violet dagger
golden narwhal
#

About monkee's sugg

#

They should prolly mention the contact being an issue when rav is under the player, since it won't make contact with you while flying if you're not doing something wrong (e.g. yeeting yourself into the sky)

hollow shell
#

(you wanna ping em?)

golden narwhal
#

@ashen warren

#

( wedragud )

tawny garden
#

alt-fires can be weird

near ore
#

I have nothing to ramble on about mine, i just think its pretty dandy

civic pond
#

alt fire on ssv? thonkpeek

radiant meadow
#

it's possible

#

since neither attacks were channeled

unkempt bolt
#

does this count as a removed feature

unreal viper
#

I miss the mindless goodness

#

It’s nice to a have a weapon like that.

sage granite
#

Is did speak to Rover before, It's basically hanging onto the edge of removed features but not quite

violet dagger
#

I'd say just nerf it a bit

#

since using both at the same time

#

would be HyperFailure

sage granite
#

Indeed, Nerf bit in exchange for both

#

Use one, The other or both

vivid kestrel
#

I like the idea of the alt fire SSV! I do to miss the Pre-1.4.5 version and it would be nice to see it back again!

tawny garden
#

it was my fav weapon

vivid kestrel
#

I loved it too.

heady storm
#

I already miss it yeah.

vivid kestrel
#

It was my optimal choice for Scal due to its insanity.

unreal viper
#

Ye.

tawny garden
#
  1. it required 0 brain
  2. it just looked cool
unreal viper
#

Good to have a wep like that.

#

For such a hard boss.

sage granite
#

Gotta admit, This I way more positive than I was expecting 😅

naive ferry
#

I don't really mind the change to SSV

vivid kestrel
#

Yeah. Like I saw a video explaining the new changes and they were shocked and somewhat disappointed in the new change

tawny garden
#

I don't really mind the change to SSV
oh, you bet I do

naive ferry
#

well it might cause lag to my device but idk atm

vivid kestrel
#

I really freaking hope this one gets through.

unique reef
#

Current SSV is good for crowds

#

the Alt fire could be excellent vs bosses like SCal or BR bosses

tawny garden
#

ye, but there aren't any post-P2 Yharon crowds

#

they're all weak

hollow shell
#

@cobalt pewter About your Slime God sugg, are you focusing primarily on the inflicted debuffs?
Cuz if so your top line should reflect that better, rn it just mentions a general "unfun"

If you wanna leave the options open more beyond debuffs then you should add more to the body of your suggestion

#

And @ancient echo Your dye suggestion could definitely be elaborated more
What do you mean by "rework"? Which ones are more candidates for reworking than others, and why?

EDIT: Here's your suggestion so you can repost when you want:

rework some vanilla dyes

it may be a nice change to rework some of the existing dyes, as some are just simple copies of other dyes and others just aren't easy on the eyes (I'm mostly talking about animated dyes but some static ones aren't great either)

radiant meadow
#

Can you even change vanilla dyes?

heady storm
#

Does the "!" reaction do anything in particular btw?

radiant meadow
#

It prevents it from getting approved I think.

hollow shell
#

Yeah it causes auto-deletion

#

Suggestions now normally get auto-approved

heady storm
#

Oh that sounds pretty nice.

tawny garden
#

why does the "Approved by" field exist btw?

radiant meadow
#

for posterity ig

hollow shell
#

Decently useful info
Shows the active sugg mods and their worktimes
(and lets you blame them for questionable approvals if need be) :P

tawny garden
#

well you can't exactly blame @ashen warren now, can you?

violet dagger
#

looking at you celest when u didnt sleep and approved a bunch of suggs after like an hour CompleteFailure

tawny garden
hollow shell
#

Yeah you blame all the mods then HyperFailure

tawny garden
radiant meadow
#

we keep the place from becoming a living dumpsterfire

#

so you're welcome

#

:)

hollow shell
#

And I'm gonna let that one Ele Disk and Celestus sugg go through the autoapprove
(if nobody has feedback to ping em with)

radiant meadow
#

the fact that celestus is still super disconnected from the sugg?

violet dagger
#

^

#

that can be removed

hollow shell
#

Alright

heady storm
#

Well, aren't the two weapons different tiers?

radiant meadow
#

yes

#

Elemental Disk is early post moon lord

hollow shell
#

His argument is that Ele Disk is more useful than Celestus during BR

heady storm
#

Elemental disk doing better than Celestus sounds.... My god.

radiant meadow
#

I reduced the splitting on it anyways to reduce lag as well.

violet dagger
#

nerfing a weapon =/= buffing a weapon later down the line to compensate

#

so i think that could be removed

heady storm
#

Oh I'm missing how this is wrong.

radiant meadow
#

his only proof is killing Prov in 30 seconds

#

which points toward nerfing ele disk

hollow shell
#

@ashen warren Probably better to take Celestus out of your suggestion and just focus on nerfing Ele Disk. That is clearly the problematic part

radiant meadow
#

not buffing Celestus

violet dagger
#

think it would be a good idea to mark it until that gets removed and then it's wegud

tawny garden
#

m, that might get the sugg yeeted

radiant meadow
#

well, it should be deleted if it's not fixed

tawny garden
#

true

radiant meadow
#

I already brought up how buffing Celestus shouldn't be there yesterday.

hollow shell
#

aighty

#

So uhh
Forsaken's, then? First auto-approve candidate?

violet dagger
#

yes

#

or just figure out a way to make save and exit reset it

radiant meadow
#

It's fine

violet dagger
#

anyways the sugg is good for approval

radiant meadow
#

and it's more easily doable than making the nurse heal it

#

I tried, and that didn't work out

violet dagger
#

let's let the bot take it to make sure it works good

hollow shell
#

uh aight so we might be havin yet another hitch

#

❗ reactions don't stick, they get deleted after a while

#

which I assume is some oversight with the bot, I've DM'd amber about it

radiant meadow
#

why would reactions be deleted?

hollow shell
#

¯_(ツ)_/¯

radiant meadow
#

if it gets auto-approved with the issues, it can just be deleted

tawny garden
#

a timer is stuck there by default iirc

#

and that timer expired

hollow shell
#

Might be some safety measure implemented earlier to ensure no incorrect/meme reactions stick around

radiant meadow
#

a timer?

hollow shell
#

They're all lasting longer than they did before so I think Amber integrated them in one portion of the code but forgot in another

#

iunno, just guessing, I've never seen the code

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I added them all back just now

unreal viper
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Sugg review. 👏

tawny garden
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whoa

hollow shell
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aaand they're already gone

tawny garden
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there were 3 people who reacted

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but it showed 2

unreal viper
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Celestus is the auric rogue wep right?

heady lichen
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I believe so

hollow shell
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Yes.

tawny garden
unreal viper
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He’ll need more evidence to back it up.

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But if he’s right then it’s stupid op.

civic pond
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Ah new reaction

unreal viper
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Maybe it synergies with moonstone crown feathers?

tawny garden
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ye, celestus shouldn't be mentioned imo

hollow shell
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Moonstone Crown has those sigils that appear on rogue projectiles periodically

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and Ele Disk spawns tons of projectiles

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and therefore assumedly, tons of sigils

sand umbra
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yeah I can see how that'd get really strong really fast

unreal viper
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Reversing the Silva effect would be nice imo.

hollow shell
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ye

sand umbra
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could take it even further post-DoG with Nanotech

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for even bigger memes

unreal viper
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Use it for br crabulon.

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Spammy ss sugg, hmmm.

sand umbra
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in other news: wow, many Slime God suggs

unreal viper
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Yes

sand umbra
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finally, people understand why I hate this boss

unreal viper
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I like the Sugg on the lab.

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Nice visual thing. The

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Ravager leg sparks dumb, sugg good:

sand umbra
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Ravager leg sparks exist?

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real shit?

unreal viper
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Having better wing variety pml would be great, plus it’s just cool for visuals.

sand umbra
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better wing variety pogooo

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could apply to the rest of the acc roster as well

unreal viper
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God slayer wings that remove the nerf

sand umbra
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acc variety, particularly later into the game, tends to just sort of die

hollow shell
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fuck yeah, variety

sand umbra
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variety good

unreal viper
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Dies until dog.

sand umbra
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probably

unreal viper
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Then dies again.

sand umbra
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acc variety post-DoG fucking evaporates

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because everything does everything anyway

ashen warren
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14 more god damn votes and my suggestion will make it in.

unreal viper
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Auric armor being the best in every way be like

ashen warren
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I need it to make it in CirrusAnger .

earnest vine
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Is it me or are there a ton of suggs every day now

dapper coral
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there are many, yes

earnest vine
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I dont remember there being that many a few weeks ago

unreal viper
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Shadowflame sugg is cool

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Maybe too specific ig

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But it def needs a buff

hollow shell
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Update shockwaves still, I assume

sand umbra
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Acidwood getting actual stuff pogooo

dapper coral
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yea the shadowflame one is def specific

sand umbra
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"but Thomas wouldn't this also mean Astral Monolith wood consistency"

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well yes but actually no

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because Astral Monolith is, in some senses, not actually a wood

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and also you could just make stuff to go with Titan Heart armor anyway

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more early Astral Infection content is always welcome, after all

hollow shell
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Calamity's got a few stubborn instances of the "This is X's version of Y" while also saying "Well technically this is also its own separate thing from Y"

sand umbra
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I mean yeah

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and Astral Monolith is decidedly one of them

ashen warren
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Well here's the thing, Acidwood is also part of the "Any Wood" category when crafting items requiring wood, whereas Astral Monolith isn't

dapper coral
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for some reason

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even though they came from trees

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but yes

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you are correct

sand umbra
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the entire Astral Infection is kinda weird tbf

sturdy geyser
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due to astral's nature they apparently aren't trees

sand umbra
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now see

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that's an explanation I can live with

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the nature of the Astral Infection warping trees into something more...otherworldly, if you will

sturdy geyser
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they are colled monoliths for a reason

ashen warren
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I considered putting Astral Monolith in that suggestion but had to think about it for a bit

sand umbra
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anywho yeah now that Deuces Wild is cooler probably
it may be a worthwhile investment to go back and really iron out the early-game Astral Infection

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something that the Astral Infection seriously lacks at the current point in time is sufficient reason to explore it in the early stages of Hardmode (a.k.a. the point where it becomes available)

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admittedly, this is a not problem that is exclusive to the Infection --- indeed, the Hallow has always had this problem and continues to possess it even in 1.4

pine star
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Titan Heart armor is a small step in the right direction

sand umbra
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mhm!

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Titan Heart armor is good

radiant meadow
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You might want to at least acknowledge the Sulphurous set, based on Acidwood and Sulphuric Scales @ashen warren

sand umbra
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easy to get, is actually viable, and gives a reason to go to the Astral Infection aside from funny Stardust

ashen warren
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I considered the Sulphurous set, but that's post EoC, and basic Acidwood armor with no other materials would be at the start of the game

radiant meadow
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(I meant acknowledge it in the suggestion)

ashen warren
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Oh oops

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I'll do that

sand umbra
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seems good now

ashen warren
radiant meadow
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that's better

sand umbra
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I'd be cool with Pearlwood at least getting respectable defense

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if nothing else

unreal viper
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Yes.

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Give it like 40 def or something:

wooden wedge
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@past plume read the pinned don'ts doc

unkempt bolt
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with no other information outside of the sugg, this definitely seems like a bug

hollow shell
wooden wedge
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gonna just yeet it

radiant meadow
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Blaster is like one of the non dust or proj heavy weapons iirc

hollow shell
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Alright, so there it is. Auto-approved

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and now time to delete it cuz it needs improvement :P

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@ashen warren Here's your sugg for when you want to repost

Nerf the elemental disk or buff the celestus.
The elemental disk is broken op when combined with moonstone crown doing more dps than celestus with the same setup. it can easily destroy providence in about 30 seconds. it can even carry me up to aureus in boss rush with ease. please nerf, it ruins progression

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Crud shoulda let that one go through too for proof/posterity.
Oh well, we'll definitely see more in the future

ashen warren
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@hollow shell it turns out it was a bug with luiafk.

hollow shell
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Really? That's interesting

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Didn't know Luiafk had anything that could affect rogue weapons like that

heady storm
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Wait what.

whole sedge
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EeveeConfused_Poke The only way i'd see luiafk messing with rogue is the unlimited flasks but i dunno as i don't use it

cobalt pewter
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@hollow shell I probably will focus on the debuffs yes

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Also with the way the ❗ works, y'all don't need to manually throw suggs into voting now?

hollow shell
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We don't need to anymore, yes

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but, we could
and prolly should

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(also full ❗ implementation is gonna be delayed for a few hours cuz there's a technical bug)

cobalt pewter
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oof

hollow shell
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Welp for the time being (prolly hopefully among the last times I'll ask chat about suggs, cuz of the more permanent indicators bein added, people should be able to bring up issues with any suggestion in #suggestions-posting at any time and have it be acknowledged)

cobalt pewter
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Speaking of that, stealth is still in an odd place despite the buffs

sand umbra
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pre-emptive strike

cobalt pewter
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After going through most of this run as stealth rogue, it still feels like I'm doing an arbitrary sub class

sand umbra
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or have we actually had enough time since the last ten hour discussion on stealth to where it's worth discussing again

cobalt pewter
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Huh, was there a disc on stealth?

hollow shell
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There were multiple stealth rework suggestions relatively recently

sand umbra
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there have been several in the past like

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month

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many of them did, indeed, stem from stealth rework suggs

cobalt pewter
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A massive rework isn't needed imo, but variety needs to expand in post-ML at the very least

hollow shell
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Some would argue that a massive rework is needed

cobalt pewter
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Somehow I'm suffering p1 yharon post darksun

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Like

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what

sand umbra
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stealth is designed to suck

cobalt pewter
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Well, what?

sand umbra
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that is, in its purest essence, the problem with stealth

cobalt pewter
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I mean yes, I can see that

sand umbra
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statistically speaking, there is no benefit to be procured from utilizing stealth strikes

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it consistently and without fail results in lower DPS than simply using the weapon normally

hollow shell
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"designed to suck" isn't necessarily true
"sucks in its very design" maybe

cobalt pewter
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There are a couple exceptions

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Like Skyfin Bombers

sand umbra
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semantics, semantics echsnap

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you know what I mean

cobalt pewter
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Shit is busted on stealth

sand umbra
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we've had this discussion already

cobalt pewter
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I know I know, stealth rogue just feels like an arbitrary sub class to me is all

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Despite it being intended as the bread and butter of rogue

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And in the end rogue just becomes a glorified throwing

sand umbra
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and that was the biggest take-away from said discussion: stealth sucks because it is designed to (and furthermore, it is required that it suck because Calamity Is A Balanced Mod™️ or something)