Checked wiki a bit
#suggestions-discussion
ashen warren
it is 1000 bro
cobalt pewter
Time
ashen warren
they don't despawn
cobalt pewter
Either you let them yeet your crystal to shadowrealm, or you ended the event before being able to spawn 1000
frail mantle
etherian mana disappears if you put it in a chest and end the event
ashen warren
etherian mana disappears if you put it in a chest and end the event
yes only in personal storage
cobalt pewter
etherian mana disappears if you put it in a chest and end the event
@frail mantle not in personal chests like piggy bank, safes or 1.4's void storage
frail mantle
o
ashen warren
and the defender storage or somethin
tawny garden
etherian mana disappears if you put it in a chest and end the event
if you don't open the chest while OOA isn't ongoing, the etherian mana won't disappear
only upon opening the chest it will
ashen warren
the event is hard so saying "it is slow going" doesn't do it justice
hard at every stage
ashen warren
hi iban
gray nebula
"just remove the change if other mods are installed"
ashen warren
bro you can just do that
gray nebula
also throwing is DEAD 🦀
tawny garden
nope,
- it being hard isn't a justification for stalling in it
- "hard" is subjective
gray nebula
so no and its also a don't
cobalt pewter
Anyway, unless you're T3, the effort in doing the event is usually almost never worth the time
ashen warren
Wait huh?
tawny garden
@ashen warren your sugg is a don't
gray nebula
tawny garden
read the doc
ashen warren
always is
I can't. 😔
Anyway, unless you're T3, the effort in doing the event is usually almost never worth the time
besty's wrath is op
tawny garden
why can't you read it?
gray nebula
then dont suggest stuff
not before reading the donts doc
rogue was made specifically to be thrower but better becuase throwing is getting deleted in 1.4
gray nebula
and i mean, theres barely any intersting throwing items anywyasys
cobalt pewter
Also yes, having slow pacing is a massively artificial difficulty which is a bad design all around
ashen warren
you are just impatient aren't you?
tawny garden
alexaa, they specifically said "unless you're T3"
ashen warren
other events last 24 minutes
tawny garden
other events don't have moments when nothing is going on
ashen warren
unless you cheese it
tawny garden
do you have any justification for these 30 second downtimes?
any reason for them to exist?
ashen warren
bro you're making a huge deal of 30 seconds
where you can rebuff
adjust your summons
switch classes
tawny garden
you can do that in 5 seconds
ashen warren
summon more setries
tawny garden
all of that
ashen warren
cool you can
tawny garden
all of that
ashen warren
The down time for ooa is fine
what about other people?
Since you need to go back and forth to get the Etherian Mana anyway
that is kinda selfish philo
tawny garden
if they can't, it's their problem
gray nebula
if that can stop people from murdering each other here, iirc we were talking about a config to reduce the downtime in the ooa
(awesome)
cant remember if it was a multiplier thing or smth else
ashen warren
that is awesome iban
ashen warren
nah
just a config is fine
30 seconds is perfectly fine to go back and forth to the edges of your arena and grab the Mana and place sentries accordingly imo
ikr
But if you want to have less time a config can work
gray nebula
yeah a slider to reduce it
tawny garden
a config works, yea, but the config menu is already huge
gray nebula
i mean yeah but
ashen warren
I wouldn't think having to scroll down on the config menu to be an issue?
tawny garden
alright
gray nebula
id rather have a complete config menu instead of one with few options
ashen warren
^^^
i suggested some dumbshit about making calamity vanilla changes configerable
and enough people star'd it wtf
frail mantle
ok
tawny garden
gg
ashen warren
♥
what the f*ck
tawny garden
it was a bluecheck
gray nebula
oh 
ashen warren
the older one with the blue check also made enough stars
vivid niche
I swear the suggestion I made to buff leviathan better make it in
tawny garden
no sugg advertisement
frail mantle
it'll make it if the devs like it
vivid niche
Bruh I was just tryna start a discussion
Lol
And also I didn’t really suggest a new attack I only suggested to add a new attack or 2 to make fighting him more exciting
Would I have to?
ashen warren
yeah some bosses really need a heavy buff
cobalt pewter
Since you need to go back and forth to get the Etherian Mana anyway
@ashen warren conveyor belt: yo
ashen warren
astrum aureus...
vivid niche
Astrum aureus needs a buff?
cobalt pewter
Also the worst point of etherian mana collecting is just T1
frail mantle
honestly i feel like Aureus is fine difficulty wise
golden narwhal
Ye
gray nebula
does aureus really need a buff
cobalt pewter
As you can get conveyor belts at the same time as T2 start, at least in vanilla
ashen warren
yes
vivid niche
Lol for me he was pretty damn hard although I had frameskip off and was in slow mo since my Mac succ
ashen warren
he got like two attacks
golden narwhal
The jumps were buffed and the crystals are threatening enough
frail mantle
could maybe do with a rework to the Spawns so they matter more but other than that he's alright
ashen warren
he is post golem right?
gray nebula
hes already got the funny aureus spawns that hardly communicate what hteyre supposed to do
frail mantle
aureus is post plant
ashen warren
yea about that stage
cobalt pewter
Aureus is post plant, but can be fought in early hm if you want to
vivid niche
Anyone else feel like their playthroughs are short
ashen warren
about that...
progression
@ashen warren conveyor belt: yo
@cobalt pewter Most people won't bother setting that up tbf
vivid niche
But it’s so simple
ashen warren
that is hardmode post mech boss
cobalt pewter
To be fair, it's only a one time thing
civic gust
this is hard but fun
cobalt pewter
civic gust
i also once made scal transition to bh2 with murasama once before charges 
ashen warren
But I'm personally one who would so
cobalt pewter
Honestly you don't even need wiring to setup that
ashen warren
vivid niche
Also anahita is freaking huge now that I think about it
ashen warren
damn
civic gust
wait is aureus moved around by conveyors? 
cobalt pewter
It's probably one of the simplest way to setup an OOA arena
Which cuts down on time gathering mana
ashen warren
you can set up the cheesed arena too?
what is your point
But then there's me who's blood orb farm can yield me anywhere from 16-20k orbs in a night.
golden narwhal
Side note: I'd remove the last sentence, wg, since it doesn't really contribute to the sugg (or change the sugg to buff her)
cobalt pewter
bruh
ashen warren
:}
frail mantle
the only things affected by conveyor belts are the player, items and town npcs
ashen warren
^^^
vivid niche
Why would you need etherian mana if it’s modded
Modded weps destroy
Also Ight Asian
ashen warren
that is a problem then
civic gust
ashen warren
weapons shouldn't be strong enough to remove the challenge from the event
what mods you playin on 😭
alchemist npc?
vivid niche
No
I don’t use they’re weapons for ooa
Things like tears of heaven for mage is strong for ooa
Or Atlantis
I think you can get that
ashen warren
wha
ashen warren
leviathan pre hardmode :letroll:
ashen warren
nice in which way
vivid niche
Either they’re weapons should be buffed or make new weapons for the reward, then buff the hp of the enemies to match each tier with modded weapons better
Their*
But there is a post on it in #suggestions-voting
ashen warren
or modded weapons should be nerfed????
vivid niche
That wouldn’t be my way of doing things
I only play dmode and idk if that changes ooa hp
But if it does then it needs to change it more
ashen warren
idk man there is already a set base progression in vanilla
instead of changing it
which will take a lot of time
mods should be on the same lvl as it
vivid niche
That won’t be such a cake walk doing as they’d probably have to lower dmode boss hp and scale it
ashen warren
do it vanilla
frail mantle
remember that if Calamity were to rebalance itself to be more in line with the vanilla balance curve the entire mod would have to be rebalanced
vivid niche
Exactly
ashen warren
calamity at least for prehardmode and most of hardmode is balanced
and around vanilla
it is very out of the curve post moonlord
frail mantle
the only things that'd end up being untouched would probably be pre-hardmode shit and maybe a little hardmode gear
ashen warren
do you know hard it is to make a point of balance around an already existing one?
that is way prehardmode and most of hardmode stuff in calamity is vanilla based
because vanilla progression is already set
they have a place to go sicko mode for postmoonlord
because there is nothing stopping them
or anything to be based around
gray nebula
just rebalance the entire mod 
(awseome)
ashen warren
it is already balanced?
gray nebula
ngl if that could be done easily, probably just remove the health boost from revengeance and THEN rebalance the mod so all the weapons are balanced around expert health values
would also prevent calamity from being op compared to other mods
because calamity stuff is balanced around rev
so the weapons need to be stronger to compensate for the extra health
vivid niche
Yeah but I don’t think they’d do that
ashen warren
^^
vivid niche
Which is why buffing the hp of the enemies in ooa would be the only option since they don’t intend on rebalancing
ashen warren
because calamity stuff is balanced around rev
^^ and fab wants to make damage reduction to enemies in all modes
ngl if that could be done easily, probably just remove the health boost from revengeance and THEN rebalance the mod so all the weapons are balanced around expert health values
post moonlord calamity is a crackhead party
unkempt bolt
DR already applies to all modes, doesn’t it?
gray nebula
post ml doesnt matter because its post ml
ashen warren
yeah most mods don't touch a lot in it
DR already applies to all modes, doesn’t it?
no just rev
unkempt bolt
i thought that was changed last update
ashen warren
idk
unkempt bolt
yeah
tawny garden
yey
tawny garden
good change
ashen warren
basing all balancing around one mode is just a questionable decision
- testing all balancing on one mode is a joke. don't you have enough testers to test on other modes?
frail mantle
trying to test the weapons on every mode would quadruple the tester workload
ashen warren
and will resault in a more balanced experience
chilly solstice
Wait, but how specifically it would work? The same DR as in Rev for all enemies, or adjusted to mode?
tawny garden
just have 4x as many testers, will solve all problems
ashen warren
Wait, but how specifically it would work? The same DR as in Rev for all enemies, or adjusted to mode?
prolly yes
chilly solstice
Prolly what?
ashen warren
adding same dr to all enemies like in rev
frail mantle
besides, it's not really necessary when you can just test the weapons on one mode and adjust them so they take a certain amount of time in one mode because it'll automatically make the same boss with the same weapon take longer in higher modes and shorter in lower modes
tawny garden
that's how difficulty modes are balanced though
you balance the items/weapons/etc. around one difficulty, and then balance another difficulties around that
frail mantle
yea
tawny garden
kind of a "bootstrap"
ashen warren
that's how difficulty modes are balanced though
you balance the items/weapons/etc. around one difficulty, and then balance another difficulties around that
?????? you can't just change all modes for one mode
tawny garden
I never said that
ashen warren
"and then balance another difficulties around that"
tawny garden
seems that you don't understand me
ashen warren
true
tawny garden
e.g. balancing expert is done by taking rev mode values and scaling them down in such a way that the difficulty gap between expert and rev is the same at all points in progression
and expert is easier at all times
ashen warren
still, a questionable decision that steps to other modes territory
and since rev is pretty different than other diffuculties
it is not wise to rebalance them to make rev seem a bigger than of a challenge
i know it is the easier option but it doesn't work that well now does it?
tawny garden
it works quite well
and all other mods, and even vanilla does that
ashen warren
normal?
tawny garden
yep iirc
ashen warren
there are four modes in vanilla
ashen warren
vanilla balances around one mode
making a new mode around an already exisiting one is not the same as changing the already existing one for the new one
chilly solstice
I think the consequence of balancing around Rev for Calamity is that Normal and Expert became just a bit too easy (due to Calamity gear outclassing vanilla for all points of progression). And adding DR in Normal and Expert serves to counter that. That's how I see it
ashen warren
making a new mode around an already exisiting one
is not the same as changing the already existing one for a new one
english isn't my main sorry
tawny garden
well, they made master by scaling expert enemy HP by 1.5
ashen warren
that is a new mode
tawny garden
there was no balancing for master mode
ashen warren
I think the consequence of balancing around Rev for Calamity is that Normal and Expert became just a bit too easy (due to Calamity gear outclassing vanilla for all points of progression). And adding DR in Normal and Expert serves to counter that. That's how I see it
and that is another problem calamity mod has, out classing everything at all points due it being balaced around one mode that is a hard enough for the gear to be acceptable
master mode doesn't exist
untold cargo
Scal is meant to be a challenging fight and getting adrenaline too easily can completely destroy her
tawny garden
buffing vanilla weapons for rev is an option
tawny garden
and yeah, the recent sugg is a balancing nightmare
ashen warren
adrinaline in general is pretty strong
tawny garden
vivid niche
It’s fine I post a #suggestions-posting text in here to be reviewed by others to see if there’s anything wrong right?
To be more specific, mine
untold cargo
Probably I see other people do it
ashen warren
:snale: yes thats the problem but fixing it would involve
an entire rebalance
content mods problems
untold cargo
But it’s better to post in #suggestions-posting cus people are still gonna speak about it
ashen warren
for now the DR for enemies in all modes is a temp solution to calamity's balacing problem
vivid niche
Well I just posted my edited version of my suggestion in #suggestions-posting
Pls read if you’d like to discuss
I’ll be back in a min
untold cargo
Yeah same Levi is just dash and boulder
ashen warren
none of them is hard but their unique attacks makes the fight harder
vivid niche
Yeah which is why leviathan should have one more attack to spice up the challenge
ashen warren
what if levi shoots a huge flaming meteor every little while?
and make him rage for sometime when siren dies
vivid niche
That’d also be more unique but someone said that meteors are annoying so I just didn’t say anything about meteors
Or can be annoying
Correction
Making Levi enrage when siren dies would be a waste since you can just wait till they both almost dead
ashen warren
yes so the player is encoraged to use better horizontal movement gear
red stratus
Make Leviathan cry when Anahita dies
ashen warren
and not move
vivid niche
Bruh e.e
golden narwhal
I mean, she already enrages when ana dies
ashen warren
whos ana
golden narwhal
Anahita
vivid niche
A cool but unnecessary thing would be when anahita dies, her hp goes back to 20% and her attacks are more violent and quick
golden narwhal
(Siren)
vivid niche
And yeah forgot about that
vivid niche
You’re not up with the news now are yuh
vivid niche
Yep
ashen warren
it is what it is
vivid niche
Don’t tell me you don’t know they both got resprites
untold cargo
What
ashen warren
that weird fan art where levi got legs
vivid niche
Idk if it’s the fan art but they both look much cooler
untold cargo
That’s the sprite
ashen warren
i miss big head levi
untold cargo
Not fan art but sprite
ashen warren
i saw it way before the update
untold cargo
Old Levi was a fish head
ashen warren
he was 100% more swag like that
golden narwhal
Last part of the sugg seems way too specific for an example also, more damage to charge isn't more difficult really
vivid niche
Well I do like going ham on ideas
Also I just thought more damage to the charge would be a nice touch since it’s easy to avoid but if you do mess up that one time then it’s more punishing
golden narwhal
More damage can be helpful sometimes, ig
vivid niche
And I thought giving specifics would be overall more recommended for an idea
At least in my head
Probably went overboard
But hopefully it’d be fine
Leviathan is a meme boss just like golem
golden narwhal
rev p2 golem would like to have a word with you
vivid niche
Although I think golem when fought in temple is harder than leviathan and anahita
Yes he’s actually quite hard in rev in a confined space
Especially if you lag like hell like me
But I managed to tank it out
With vampiric talisman and even tho it doesn’t help a ton
I also use hadal stew instead of the extra 30 hp
It’s much better imo
37 seconds with deific amulet instead of 50
ashen warren
the stew is very good
radiant meadow
this isn't exactly the place for tips though
vivid niche
You’re right
vivid niche
Oh, he’s gone already
ashen warren
there isn't a reason for him to stay here, no new suggestions
ashen warren
ye
golden narwhal
Ye; they're generally left in posting for ~12 hours so all timezones can see them
vivid niche
Oh Ight
I really need levi to be buffed cuz he was the fight I was excited for since he’s so big
golden narwhal
She
vivid niche
Frick
I was posting she for a while
Mb e.e
Well I’ll be taking my leave now, 5 am
ashen warren
cya gn
vivid niche
Gn
golden narwhal
Sleep well
weak reef
Calling to nerf the onyx excavator because it make mining too easy seems a bit strange to me, because it's already clear that calamity does not intend for you to just spend forever mining. Why else would it literally have a config who's entire effect is just nearly doubling your mine speed?
keen drum
how do you guys feel about giving stats to betsy wings?
weak reef
I think it could be nice
keen drum
and i agree burnblast
radiant meadow
I believe it was suggested the other day
keen drum
which one?
radiant meadow
something about betsy wings
keen drum
ah alr
weak reef
Old ones army in general always feels... underwhelming to me, so giving more uniqueness to it would be good to see. Right now the only major change I can think of off the top of my head is vesuvius
sleek turret
But kinda Vesuvius is very "boring" to get, since the chances are 1%, also because you need to restart the event a lot of times, which takes a lot of time.
weak reef
That's kind of my point
sterile arch
Even in vanilla the old one's army feels completely boring to do so a rework would be amazing
keen drum
yeah
weak reef
I get that it was never really ment to be part of core game play so much as the crossover with dungeon defenders 2 which especially in vanilla just leaves it feeling half baked.
sterile arch
It's an event where you're forced to sit in a flat plane and grind the same waves over and over again for hours to get the drops to make the next stage of the event more bearable
sleek turret
the event that you sit down protecting your crystal from ground & air creatures, which means you basically are camping the crystal.
sterile arch
it's literally "micromanagment" the event
sleek turret
yeah
sterile arch
"can you out dps the boss of the final wave or are you gonna have to micromanage all the flying enemies"
sleek turret
Basically, you need a sentry for OOA event, since imagine this situation:
- ogre spawns on the right side portal, you need to kill it
- there's enemies on the other side, damaging your crystal
- what are you going to do?
1: go and kill the enemies of the left side
2: finish with the ogre
cobalt pewter
@keen drum @radiant meadow that guy who suggested stats on betsy wings would be me, Sirs
cobalt pewter
Mmhm
graceful stream
Oh god what are these votes
300+? Not even a month ago?
Almost every single one has hit the 170 threshold
And now it's mostly not even hitting that
Strange
cobalt pewter
@graceful stream people are slowly pouring outta their houses
Even tho covid hasn't done yet
void kelp
Nothing of concern
tawny garden
tawny garden
I guess you just messed up a bit
untold cargo
maybe a visibility toggle for it
near ore
thats what i was thinking
cobalt pewter
Formatting
near ore
??
tawny garden
Title
Reason
near ore
oh sorry
tawny garden
separate the title from the reason with shift+enter
near ore
ive never done this before
tawny garden
dw
earnest vine
ehh
tawny garden
@void kelp 👀
earnest vine
(seems like he's gonna send reasoning in another message)
void kelp
You’d need reasoning in the same message
earnest vine
@dull junco shift + enter
void kelp
Also the spiders in terraria have been that way for awhile i would probably use a texture pack
hot zephyr
rip spider
near ore
i like the idea for the taser, having to dash or move towards where the taser was is irritating and often means ull get hit
sleek turret
you can hit enemies with the taser hook when is going to recover 
best use on single-targets
unique reef
Would be cool if the Profaned Soul Artifact follows the same thing Nighttime Providence does
tawny garden
you could suggest it (if Amber would agree)
unique reef
Yeah. I'm thinking of ideas to make it interesting
tawny garden
and if you have a reason beyond "it's cool"
novel belfry
or for that matter, have the nighttime providence actually give something that isn't a dye
unique reef
i do
novel belfry
(not complaining about that dye, it looks amazing, but I want something more)
unique reef
the dye is gorgeous
but the PSA could see some changes when the sun goes down (like regular Prov)
novel belfry
you know how the empress of light from 1.4 has the terraprisma? that's something i was thinking of.
cobalt pewter
@novel belfry already suggested
unique reef
yeah
novel belfry
oh
cobalt pewter
But initially the devs didn't want to add smth functional to night provi
for some reason
tawny garden
initially night provi didn't exist
unique reef
Here's what I think
I think PSA should grant the following things at night:
- considerably more DEF and DR than currently. Prov gets up to 100% reactionary DR, so the player could get up to 75% reactionary DR if they get hit by the same projectile more than once (this resets when it turns to day)
tawny garden
that seems like a balancing nightmare right away
unique reef
the numbers would probably change
my values are just examples
the 75% would probably only happen if you were hit by strong things like Old Duke's melees or Scal's projectiles
weaker attacks would not give you as much DR
probably like 20% for weaker attacks
- More speed. Providence gets much faster at night, so the player's top speed is raised considerably, but acceleration is slower, so it takes a little time to build up to top speed.
tawny garden
is that it?
tawny garden
how many more?
unique reef
i feel like the speed will go hand-in-hand with being tankier
if you can't speed up as fast, then being tankier will help
anyway, onto #3
- Reworked attacks. All attacks get the blue/white palette that normal Providence gets.
-The melee spears would deal more damage, but accelerate slower, while also bobbing up and down like Scal's little skulls that move up and down.
-The magic one will split into more smaller fireballs, but the small flares are slower. The larger fireball also detonates closer to the player and travels slower.
-The rogue crystals fire much faster, creating the full spiral at 5x the speed of normal, and deal more damage, but no longer home in on enemies. Kinda behaves like a Danmaku attack. Is no longer impeded by walls, either
-The ranged fireballs travel much slower, but deal more damage, and now home in on enemies.
weak field
Uh, a rework?
sturdy geyser
night profaned crystal ideas
unique reef
yeah
dapper coral
wait is this for the artifact or the crystal?
unique reef
crystal
tawny garden
@ashen warren PSC/PSA Sugg ↑
unique reef
artifact may follow it, but not as strong
next, the guardian changes
the baby ones
PSC is endgame
dapper coral
(by the way, that #3 sounds really specific so not great for sugg purposes)
tawny garden
(all of the sugg sounds specific tbh)
unique reef
true
unique reef
but i think it would be neat to have something change when you fight in the daytime, or at night
untold cargo
wasnt this already suggested but it was rev not death
tawny garden
i think that's a resugg
unique reef
Guardian babies: They also get the blue/white fire change, despite the actual guardians not having it
The healer guardian heals for 20 Hp every 7 seconds
The Defensive Guardian doesn't move quite as fast, but deals more damage. The buffs it gives are 50% stronger
The Offensive guardian moves faster, and deals more damage, but does not grant damage boosts, and only gives the 1 extra slot
weak field
I think relic of convergence already does the healing
35 over the span of 7 seconds iirc
unique reef
yeah,true
weak field
Nope, 35 over the span of 4 seconds
unique reef
it kinda stinks, tbh
weak field
You gotta hold it when it's charging and it slows you down though
35 hp is like, neglectable in post ml
unique reef
yeah
unreal viper
You can use it for bullet hells ig
weak field
Eh you're not wrong
unreal viper
Since camper broke
unique reef
the relic heals feeble hp,
tawny garden
(darn it, Amber isn't responding)
dapper coral
give her a sec
unique reef
the numbers can change
dapper coral
she doesn't always respond right away
unique reef
obviously i'm not demanding the specific value changes
more just a base to work with
dapper coral
i advise that you compile all these into one message and stick em in #suggestions-posting for ease of reading, galvatronus
unique reef
yeah
dapper coral
and also so that amber can see em better
unique reef
i just wanted to see what people think
dapper coral
sure
tawny garden
people can see it better in #suggestions-posting
also try to make it a bit less specific
dapper coral
and also advise these changes in more of a suggesting tone, rather than an absolute, if that makes sense
dapper coral
that should be fine to make it valid
unique reef
alright
tawny garden
unique reef
even a simple color change is fine, but it is a spicy idea
tawny garden
I think it still needs a bit bigger reason tho
unique reef
well
the main reason is to make Summoners a bit more survivable late game
because they are just too squishy
tawny garden
(isn't that the whole point of the class?)
unique reef
yeah
tawny garden
they're supposed to be glass cannon
hollow shell
The main reason for this suggestion is (or should be) to fit with Night Providence existing
unique reef
partially, yeah
heady storm
Pretty sure the trade off is because summons allow you to focus more.
tawny garden
ye
unique reef
it just feels...wrong
tawny garden
focus on dodging
unique reef
that Prov gets changed at night, but PSC/PSA remains the same
i love Night Providence
and having a Night Profaned Crystal/Artifact would just be fitting
tawny garden
uhh, what is this
tawny garden
@languid siren what
hallow kraken
approve it in 3057
languid siren
whats wrong with overhaul buffs/nerfs
earnest vine
are you talking about another mod?
tawny garden
read the pins
gray nebula
what is overhaul
gray nebula
oh you mean
earnest vine
and look at other suggs
gray nebula
buffing overhaul stuff
frail mantle
fab and overhaul's lead dev don't like each other so compatibility is most likely never happening
earnest vine
at least reasoning
cobalt pewter
gray nebula
doesnt overhaul+calamity die severly
frail mantle
yes
tawny garden
it does
frail mantle
and it'll probably never be fixed cause overhaul blames calamity and calamity blames overhaul
tawny garden
there's like that giant spritesheet in the background
Overhaul+any big content mod
overhaul is the problem then
wooden wedge
@languid siren calamity doesn't balance around other mods
frail mantle
overhaul is kinda like calamity in that it's meant to be played on its own, except to a much higher degree
tawny garden
yeah, that sugg should be deleted
languid siren
ok
dapper coral
done
dapper coral
well, let's wait to see what Amber says about it first
near ore
Same here
unique reef
i also want to suggest my own wep ideas, but i'll wait a bit
violet dagger
just make profaned soul artifact make your Dr adjustive so it takes 4 minutes to kill you 
weak field
I think that's uh, hard to implement?
hollow shell
I don't think it'd be that hard actually
unique reef
my idea?
hollow shell
Nah, sigil's.
@Galva: Yours probably wouldn't be hard to implement but it would be time-consuming
@Jace: This has indeed been suggested before but that's okay
uneven spoke
About my suggestion i did read through rules and im not sure if i missed something
lmk if i did
hollow shell
Yeah it seems fine
uneven spoke
alright
unique reef
the Night time soul crystal?
tawny garden
Jace's is a bluecheck ofc
uneven spoke
tf does that mean
gray nebula
blue check means it alreayd got sent
tawny garden
The suggestion has already been delivered in the past.
hollow shell
Bluecheck is the system we use for when something's been suggested before and got sent to the devs
uneven spoke
oh lmao
hollow shell
called that because ☑️
uneven spoke
gotcha
tawny garden
(that may be gray on your device, lol)
ashen warren
night time soul crystal would indeed be possible, though time consuming, psa likely won't change much/if at all due to balance and progression concerns, but there's a lot more room for creativity with it for psc, not sure how much it'd change, because for instance, br flips between day and night semi frequently and I want to keep that balance in mind, as well as it not being too jarring from a player perspective
tl;dr psa prob no, psc i'd be fine with but i'd want to think things over a fair bit and really plan out how far i wanna go with the whole night version of it
unique reef
alright
sounds good
i don't think the Nighttime version will be a substantial buff per se, but it would make the weapon better and more fun to use
unkempt bolt
galv you’ll probably want to change your title, or add one if that isn’t your title
and avoid saying “it would be cool if x” type things
hollow shell
So uh is ChadLad's sugg fine
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/699359022364491868/743260091750285384
hollow shell
Rogue weapon
tawny garden
[[Enchanted Axe]]
red stormBOT
tawny garden
and yeah, sugg's fine
dapper coral
ooh
tawny garden
(although it's like pre-HM)
hollow shell
dapper coral
fair enough, yeah
heady storm
It's technically valid so yeah.
unique reef
i guess another thing is that the Nighttime PSC could inflict Nightwither
hollow shell
Of course yeah
unique reef
would make things interesting
radiant meadow
It inflicts nightwither at night next update
unique reef
hell yeah
gotta wonder though
is it possible that the Boss Rush only keeps the PSC in day mode?
or night
radiant meadow
no because it changes the time of day for several bosses
unique reef
ah
radiant meadow
e.g. Destroyer requires night, donuts require day
unique reef
so, in BR sometimes it'll inflict nightwither, and sometimes won't
that's fine
will summoned minions also inflict Nightwither, or just the babs and the attacks?
dapper coral
probably getting slightly offtopic now
heady storm
(I think they were trying to be relevant to their sugg about the PS stuff.)
dapper coral
fair enough, but this is just about what is upcoming in the update now
which, it would be better to wait for tomorrow/day after to find out about
and then make a sugg as necessary
heady storm
Fair in that regard too.
hollow shell
How's Larynda's sugg?
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/699359022364491868/743396993992228895
raven moon
i love it
tawny garden
yep
craggy stratus
violet dagger
would it be fine to sugg that leonid progenitor get buffed after ml since aureus gets buffed after ml since it wouldn't necessarily break the don't since you aren't going to use it for the rest of the playthrough like old legendaries
unique reef
i want to make a suggestion for an Endgame Magic weapon, but there are already so many
violet dagger
aight
unique reef
is it possible to suggest a possible new Endgame Mage weapon?
unique reef
Shadowspec
violet dagger
nope
radiant meadow
shadowspec tier is reserved for dev items
unique reef
ah
heady storm
Yeah it’s in the pins here.
heady storm
Auric tier is fine ye.
unique reef
well, i suppose it's worth a shot
heady storm
Go for it if you wanna. 
unique reef
i would call the weapon Thanatachromia
radiant meadow
You're not allowed to suggest specific items
unique reef
oh
violet dagger
I really advise you readhttps://docs.google.com/document/d/1OA3GxJ4w4QA4pCkngwt8kqW8Qq18U5KOCUJEucUS8ck/edit?usp=sharing
violet dagger
unkempt bolt
yeah you can suggest that a weapon for a certain class should exist at a specific tier
like if a certain class had very few weapons at a certain tier
unique reef
oh
unkempt bolt
but you can't get much more specific than that
unique reef
well, nuts
i would have loved implementation of a custom char's magic powers
i suppose i'll have to make my own mod to do that
radiant meadow
how does that tie into meaning buffing Celestus 
radiant meadow
if an early post moon lord weapon is too strong, that doesn't mean buff everything down the line to compensate
hollow shell
oh okay I see the relation but yeah the issue is clearly with Ele Disk, it ain't sposed to be ripping Boss Rush bosses apart
violet dagger
also can we get kill times of provi
worn current
What do people think of suggesting simply an Empyrean (Meld Construct-related) Hamaxe? Every other Pillar has an associated one, but there's only a Pickaxe for the Empyrean set of gear.
sand umbra
Meld stuff is kinda weird in terms of its relation to pillar equipment
it's the rogue equivalent to fragments but actually no
steep crown
And for some reason it only drops from Nebula. Even thought it has next to nothing to do with it
violet dagger
nope
hollow shell
That got changed
violet dagger
it now drops from every pillar enemy
hollow shell
All pillar enemies now
unreal viper
Make a mild pillar you cowards.
heady storm
violet dagger
didnt tremor do that with their thrower
unreal viper
Yes
steep crown
And If I remember correctly, it sucked. It screwed with how the pillars generated, and it just wasn't fun
hollow shell
@ashen warren That's in the Suggestion Don'ts. Frequently suggested.
(See the doc in pins)
hollow shell
Also there is the plague lab in the Jungle which is kinda the 'plague' structure
hollow idol
Having two plague structures 
heady storm
Plague lab pretty much counts.
hollow idol
integrate a way to spawn PBG there
violet dagger
Yes
On my world it spawned with the broken area
In a hive
World gen knows lore 
hollow shell
Oh the busted open area led directly into a bee hive?
violet dagger
Ye
hollow shell
That's cool
dapper coral
Oh the busted open area led directly into a bee hive?
it happened to me 5 times out of 5 when i was trying to get a picture for the wiki
hollow shell
wew, I'm pretty sure that was just a big coincidence
I don't think we make beehive generation work with the lab's like that
dapper coral
that would be very peculiar if it was intentional lol
hollow idol
Ive had worlds without bee labs so definitely a coincidence
alpine copper
Guys consider the following: if left idle for too much, hermit crabs summoned with the magical conch will begin to crab rave dance
heady storm
Sounds like a nice easter egg but Idk yeah.
alpine copper
Yeah but, hermit crabs are crabs nonetheless, so they qualify
dapper coral
does this count as a reference?
hollow shell
Kinda yes and also kinda meme suggestion so probably definitely should refrain from suggesting it legit
alpine copper
Meh what a waste
hollow shell
You've already got Crabulon's whole music theme being an electro rave song, should be good enough
alpine copper
yeah, one meme suggestion gets throught and next thing you know the suggestion channel becomes meme land
I was just joking honestly, that and the fact that i have always felt weird when seeing my minions are just there, standing still, doing nothing but staring into infinity until an enemy comes by
hollow shell
(It seems like the Star Swallower frog minion does have an idle animation.
It spins around in place and hops.)
alpine copper
Better than nothing
hollow shell
((it is kind of a meme reference cuz of that frog spinnin on the vinyl record))
Anyway how's Portal Mech's suggestion
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/699359022364491868/743441112135499808
cobalt pewter
Valid, but sugg itself is rather controversial
brave karma
Especially when they nerfed death mode SCal to have no more hit counter
Scal is too easy now. Merging again would make her one of the easiest post moonlord bosses
golden narwhal
Yea, it'd defo make the parts with multiple enemies fly by especially (e.g. seekers, bros)
brave karma
Well I’m just revisiting all of the nerfs they have done to her to show that needing further is unnecessary
whole sedge
The fight's fine but it does seem a bit weird to me, never noticed it though. Seems pretty unnecessary to me. 
rose latch
I think it's like that since it would be really easy to charge up adrenaline if it charged at the same rate
since you aren't going to be hit very often in a successful run
hollow shell
well, yeah that's the point ain't it
If you don't get hit, you don't die
If you don't get hit, you also get adrenaline
There's probably all sorts of problems involving that dynamic and SCal's fight in specific that I'm sure Thomas has written multiple essays about
heady storm
SCal nerfs adrenaline charging?
ashen warren
ye
heady storm
Interesting.
hollow shell
@vivid niche Your Leviathan suggestion has a whole section that's needlessly specific
That is, your new attack idea
s'not needed.
You could keep the concept in for one sentence as an example, and say why it would help the fight dynamic
but half your sugg should not be your new attack idea
heady storm
Mycoroot is another good example iIrc.
cobalt pewter
I didn't so much stealth in phm, so what does mycoroot do?
I might add it into the sugg
heady storm
Basically pre-hm cosmic kunai.
heady storm
vivid niche
@hollow shell yeah Ik it’s very specific, I like elaborating on new ideas but got carried away, I’ll edit it
Mk I posted the new version
heady storm
You could have just edited your original suggestion, could you have not?
vivid niche
Yeah, but I just thought it’d be easier for anyone to see the new version instead of scrolling up, if that’s not a prob
heady storm
Well, if you wanna get it potentially approved much earlier you could copy and paste your new version where the old one stood.
vivid niche
Oh
hollow shell
its fine, dw
vivid niche
Well never knew that’s how things worked and I deleted my previous message but it’s Ight, new new update probably won’t come in a minute
heady storm
Wait we can make special exceptions for these Rover?
hollow shell
Yeah the sugg has existed for over 12 hours
It's not significantly different from what it was before
Same deal as reposting a sugg that got auto-yeeted
hollow shell
With that said (yeah)
How we feel about WG Cy's sugg?
#suggestions-posting message
tawny garden
Wait we can make special exceptions for these Rover?
if something is unprecedented, then we can always make special exceptions
tawny garden
it's fine, yea
dapper coral
tawny garden
it's smol, but it's straight to the point
heady storm
Link is broken for me, one sec.
dapper coral
Oop
heady storm
Yeah it's small but gets all that is needed.
tawny garden
these performance suggs should really go to #bugs-read-pins
dapper coral
Is it a blue check?
tawny garden
(that's my opinion, not a fact)
dapper coral
(I was gonna say lol)
heady storm
Really they should but eh, devs will see it either way.
dapper coral
heady storm
Kiting?
tawny garden
there were 2 suggs about the ele quiver split, but neither reached the req
heady storm
Gonna be honest pre-hm you don't really swap between stuff that often, especially if the option you are using in question is viable enough.
dapper coral
Probably, but i think the point is more so that you can’t do anything while it’s retracting
heady storm
Oh I mean with their reasoning.
From what I'm getting they are trying to say they use it for one part of the fight, and then go to something else for another.
heady storm
(Wait is Taser more for debuffing?)
red stormBOT
dapper coral
Seems like it’s both?
dapper coral
This is a patreon weapon I think
Did the dedicatee get pinged? Are they even here?
Oh, it’s Guwahavel
@smoky wagon are you okay with this? Being your patreon weapon and all
I’ll put it here in case it explodes before you see it
Make the flurrystorm cannon speed up faster/keep its speed for a short time after stopping firing
The flurry storm cannon you acquire right after skeletron, so it wouldn't be unreasonable to say that most players would fight the slime god with it; the slime god inflicts cursed, which significantly reduces the damage output of the weapon throughout the fight, as the flurrystorm starts off shooting at such a slow pace. As mentioned in the title, a way to solve this is by keeping the speed after not firing when the player is cursed, or to make the flurrystorm cannon speed up faster.
@ancient echo regarding your lunarian bow sugg, you don’t need the strike through bit
tawny garden
ye, no jokes in suggs
and if you want to have that text, you could write it I guess without strikethrough, cause with it it's practically useless
heady storm
ashen warren
why not
frail mantle
is good
heady storm
Alrighty.
I went over this and think it's fine, but eh gotta. https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/699359022364491868/743550837938454663
tawny garden
the reason isn't convincing
heady storm
In all honesty though I'm not really sure there's anything else to add.
frail mantle
he could specify why he specifically thinks both Deuses (Dei?) should be necessary to kill in Death Mode instead of anything else
heady storm
At the moment Revengence and Deathmode are the same and have no unique quirks between them
Quite literally, all that happens is Deus can use his mines anytime and he's a bit faster.
tawny garden
((plural of Deus is Deī))
frail mantle
yea he explains why Death Mode needs something different, but not why specifically both Dei needing to be killed
heady storm
Logically I could see it as killing 1 doesn't necessarily mean the other also dies.
Alright I've dmd him about it.
He has edited it, thoughts now?
frail mantle
i think it's aight
tawny garden
iirc Amber agreed to an extent
tawny garden
i'd want to think things over a fair bit and really plan out how far i wanna go with the whole night version of it
this
uncertainty, in a way
but I guess it's fine
heady storm
I'll approve it then, Amber is in dev after all.
A bit more reasoning is all I really see for this one. https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/699359022364491868/743574352095871097
gray nebula
the header of the latest approved suggestion could have been better
frail mantle
i dunno, sounds like spam right clicking in your inventory is faster than using it as an item
heady storm
Oh that's true Iban, fml.
And yeah case in point Leon.
Plus they count as a bag technically so it would feel kinda like an inconsistency if only these had this trait.
@ancient echo ^
ancient echo
tru
ashen warren
Jace's will get blue checked
heady storm
Show the past suggestion if you may please?
distant gyro
heady storm
Alrighty, I'll take it as valid then.
ashen warren
kinda late but removing the adrenaline nerf for scal while buffing other aspects of scal would be good
near ore
Adrenaline is hard to keep in the first place
swift wharf
Add flickering lights or lanterns with timers to give the Arsenal Labs a more abandoned feeling
This would make sense as there are abandoned workshops and research facilities and also making them look nicer
near ore
This is the discussion part, just checking u know
U post your suggestion in #suggestions-posting and people discuss it here
ashen warren
"You should post and discuss the rough idea of a suggestion here before going through the trouble of writing one in full" to quote the first pin here
frail mantle
it doesn't really matter if you post it in here first or #suggestions-posting first, though generally it's better to post it in #suggestions-posting so it doesn't get buried by discussion in here
robust lava
I think it sounds good
golden narwhal
eyy, we now have an attack less noticeable than BoC's projectiles
cobalt pewter
distant gyro
cobalt pewter
To be fair, BoC's blood geyser thing has some white trails on it? Unless I'm mistaken
The fact that leg sparks exist just surprised me
distant gyro
boc's blood geyser is very obvious if you somehow fight it on the surface
cobalt pewter
That's why I noticed why are there only head and hands projectiles coming after me
distant gyro
but tell me you can easily spot the leg sparks if you look at it for 3 seconds 
cobalt pewter
The red flames?
distant gyro
nope
cobalt pewter
distant gyro
it's orange
tawny garden
wait a sec, how does it stay in a block
distant gyro
the one at the right leg
cobalt pewter
bruh
golden narwhal
O
distant gyro
did i say in a block?
i thought i corrected everything from "in/at" (a block) to "on"
cobalt pewter
To be honest those torches behind rav should replace the leg sparks
tawny garden
(no, ravager is standing inside a block partially)
(on that image)
tawny garden
cobalt pewter
near ore
Is there an amount of stars a suggestion has to get to be implemented
rapid pivot
Yes. 240.
near ore
Cool
distant gyro
no
rapid pivot
Is the First Shadowflame still not buffed?
distant gyro
read again
rapid pivot
Oh. Implemented.
distant gyro
implemented no
rapid pivot
Right. Yeah, no, the devs decide if it gets implemented.
The star count just determines if the devs see it.
distant gyro
you can have an implemented 1 star and on the other hand a 300 stars sug can be denied
first shadowflame hasn't been buffed no
rapid pivot
kinda odd it hasn't imo
swift wharf
sorry for the offtopic but is that the thaumcraft symbol thing?
rapid pivot
(yes)
swift wharf
nice
tawny garden
an implemented 1 star sugg is a sugg that is already implemented next update but isn't in #changelogs
near ore
Cool
rapid pivot
Did the devs ever say anything on why the suggested FS buffs weren't accepted, though?
distant gyro
yes
buffing minion damage or something casually is kinda generic and doing something else is hard to come up with
sand umbra
me when First Shadowflame's flavor tooltip is more interesting than its actual function
rapid pivot
fair enough
sand umbra
also, concept
rapid pivot
.. What if it wasn't just a minion buff? Shadowflame to all attacks, or something?
near ore
Op innit
sand umbra
The First Shadowflame
Flavor text blah blah blah this should be at the bottom in single quotes but apparently they're ugly so whatever
Minions inflict Shadowflame on critical strikes
Minions deal more damage to enemies afflicted with Shadowflame
rapid pivot
Summoners get an objectively superior thing for all their minion attacks way, way before then. :P
The FS is a early-HM item.
near ore
I suppose your talkin about the spirit glyph
rapid pivot
No. Voltaic Jelly.
near ore
Oh ok
rapid pivot
+1 max minion and minion attacks inflict Electrified, which does 16DPS when the enemy is moving.
... Since Shadowflame does 15DPS, and that's it..
near ore
Sheesh
rapid pivot
yeah. That's why people say to buff it so much, because a goblin summoner drop is outperformed by a post-DS drop.