gah i need 6 VOTES! 6!
#suggestions-discussion
loud cloak
unkempt bolt
Buff Duke Fishron's weapons.
This doesn't apply to Duke's Decapitator, as it's a fairly solid weapon, but the other weapons are not at all worth getting. For every class, including rogue, there are better options available. Duke Fishron weapons just aren't that good, especially in Calamity. Tsunami is outclassed by Phangasm, Vortexpopper and others, and is very weak against Lunatic Cultist due to his small size and frequent projectiles. Razorblade Typhoon is also underwhelming, only hitting ~2000DPS against Cultist and is significantly outclassed by The Swarmer and others. I could go on, but the point is that there's very little reason to fight Fishron in Calamity outside of his wings, which granted are quite strong, but the rest of his gear is very underwhelming and unimpressive. A buff to his weapons would give a much better incentive to fight him, as well as letting them become actually viable and escape from the pile of vanilla weapons unfortunately buried by Calamity's power creep.
i don't intend to post this at the moment, but still looking for feedback
zenith hazel
p sure tsunami and razorblade are good against ravager
not sure about stuff like flairon or bubble gun
or tempest staff because everyone uses butterflies/xeno these days
unkempt bolt
i didn't see any changes to it this update, and it was subpar against him when i last played
sand umbra
it is
extremely difficult for me to believe Duke's weps are underpowered
because in vanilla, those are the best in the business going into LC and the pillars
unkempt bolt
and yeah razorblade is pretty decent for ravager, but it's a far cry from it being one of your go-to's for ML
unreal viper
For pillar mage the Eilodon staff deletes pillars
sinful steeple
Phangasm is the post-DoG upgrade to phantasm
sand umbra
so are Phantasm and Vortexpopper
why are you comparing Duke weps to pillar weps
of course pillar weps are gonna be better
zenith hazel
duke's drops don't necessarily have to be good for ML considering deus + pillars weps exist
sand umbra
outta here
unkempt bolt
i mean tbf it's hard finding something that doesn't delete pillars at that stage
swarmer is post-LC indeed
that means they're good for one progression boss
and its cultist lol
sand umbra
welcome to vanilla endgame
may I take your order
discord please stop taking 5 years to send my messages I can't hold a conversation/have an argument like this
unkempt bolt
yeah discord is shitting the bed
flairon and bubble gun are both pretty not great, even for cultist/ravager
and tempest staff has much better alternatives
sand umbra
I don't think Bubble Gun was ever particularly strong
unkempt bolt
so i might've chosen the only contestable weapons as my examples 
sand umbra
Flairon isn't hella strong but it's super easy to use
so like your first mistake was not comparing Duke's weps to on-tier options with statistical backing
your second mistake was comparing them to post-LC weps at all
pillars power spike is enormous
this is true of vanilla too but you don't notice it because you're too busy perishing to pillar enemies in vanilla
unkempt bolt
statistical backing would require playing the game
which i was gonna do later but it's late and i don't plan on posting it anytime soon
sand umbra
do it at some point before posting the sugg so you have better stuff to back your point with
unkempt bolt
yeah
sand umbra
unkempt bolt
just didn't see any point in posting it now when it has no chance of getting approved because of star drought
seems discord has caught up, that's nice
nope nvm had to say it
sand umbra
yeah star averages have been terrible this week
even my material removal suggs and Hellkite sugg from like the better part of a week ago are hovering around the 120-140 mark
unkempt bolt
seems to be where a lot of them are stuck
sand umbra
yeah
sleek turret
what's the topic now? (Sorry if im very late 
)
sand umbra
we were talking about buff Duke weps maybe
balmy jay
@sand umbra because nobody scrolls up in discord channels
sand umbra
no, you don't understand
the star req just got raised
that's supposed to mean suggs are consistently getting well above the previous star count
after it got raised basically everything from then on started hovering around 120-140
we got scammed
sleek turret
Tsunami is alredy good at this point, also having 5 arrows at the same time is a great DPS dealer if you only use "non-piercing" ammo.
sand umbra
we've been tricked, we've been deceived, and we've quite possibly been bamboozled
unkempt bolt
5 arrows are pretty hard to hit against the tiniest man on the planet who's almost always shooting something at you or moving
sleek turret
Flairon is good also, the homing bubles are pretty strong.
sand umbra
anywho for the moment I'm gonna hold off on posting more suggs (or reposting my evil suggs to any extent) until I can confirm star rates are back to normal
sleek turret
just aim git gud
sand umbra
Quanta pls LC literally stands still when he's not teleporting
unkempt bolt
pretending aim in terraria takes skill
he stands still, but you gotta be moving almost all the time
sleek turret
Is the same as saying: "Pyro takes skill" when it could just W+M1.
Also, another thing, you just could ajust your aim to be lower or higher on height.
The Duke's book (I don't remember the name, since everytime I play another class I forgot the other classes weapons ) is pretty good, some people consider it OP. (Since it homes, 2 of the projectiles will home to an enemy)
duke's book
The real dissapointment is the Sharknado summon, which is slow and considering that LC teleports, barely can hit LC
pine star
Razor blade Typhoon
sleek turret
Thanks.
unkempt bolt
i've yet to hear of a single person that finds razorblade OP
and in my testing, i came to the same conclusion
it aint
sleek turret
Its good, but kinda over-exagerated saying it is OP.
unkempt bolt
i can't attest to the weapons you have in this update, but i definitely had better options for cultist last update
pine star
What class were you
unkempt bolt
mage
obviously there's gonna be better and worse weapons
but it wasn't much of a competition
hollow shell
There is kind of a lore explanation for this if you want to accept it
cobalt pewter
Ahh, really? Hit me up then
hollow shell
Polterghast consumes and assimilates souls
There are a lot of weak blue Dungeon Spirit souls, and a few powerful pink Phantom Spirit souls
So Polter is mostly blue with some vital parts being pink (his heart), and all his weps and items are pink cuz they pertain to the new Post-ML Phantom Spirit dungeon stuff, being the more powerful of the two spirits
hollow shell
"""soon"""
violet dagger
very soon ™️
sand umbra
wouldn't it be appropriate to have his weapon drops reflect that, then
hollow idol
Last time I checked, there hasnt even been a settled design
sand umbra
rather than. being all pink
radiant meadow
who even knows what's happening
cobalt pewter
@hollow shell hmm, interesting, alright
hollow idol
#sprites-needed
sand umbra
I would if I didn't suck
violet dagger
also didnt i think it was iban or metarex mention in the yt qna that one of the questions they hate the most is why is polters drops pink not blue 
radiant meadow
bruh, we put AS drops in there and we've gotten like 15 rejected designs
sand umbra
is there a reason those 15 designs were rejected
ancient crow
making polter drops blue makes a lot more sense than making polter pink imo
violet dagger
that slime god resprite better get through tho
ancient crow
yeah that looks awesome
radiant meadow
not good enough for Cal ig, idk, voting went south on a good majority of them
hollow shell
I'm planning on forcing the devs' hand on that soon
ancient crow
not good enough for cal
new ambrosial ampoule
hollow shell
:(
New Ampoule's got prettier lighting
and actually looks like liquid in a glass and not just a yellow orb
sand umbra
violet dagger
also finally magna striker resprite got accepted, time to wait for storm surge to get a resproot
violet dagger
while were on this topic of sprites
I may have not found a video containing the first first first cryogen
it was literally a snowflake
violet dagger
you can find some really wack ™️ old calam stuff in those videos
violet dagger
old leviathan was basically space whale 2.0 now featuring a siren
its in one of baum's old calam videos
and its undeniable duke ai
old levi was also 
ancient crow
new leviathan sprite is godly but it feels a litttle too small now
violet dagger
siren was just a h e a d
hollow idol
wowzers I wonder who that subreddit guy was
ancient crow
one thing I liked about leviathan was that it was fookin massiv
violet dagger
ngl i like new size better
bc now u dont have your screen fucking covered
anyways they dont call this channel the king of getting off topic for no reason 
sand umbra
hollow shell
Hey so is Demik's sugg aight?
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/699359022364491868/742618896800153660
golden narwhal
Ye
violet dagger
yes its valid
get them to approve it themselves so we get another epsi meme
dapper coral
Rover pls approve so we don't get another epsi meme
hollow shell
ok
How's Feedza's difficulty mode re-sugg?
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/699359022364491868/742683244108972054
cobalt pewter
Altered a bit to imply that those are the new rewards, not additions
heady storm
Looks fine.
heady storm
It's still valid so I guess I'll approve it.
If you don't agree with a sugg you don't have to star it, simple as that. 
violet dagger
It probably won't be too popular of a sugg
hollow shell
Crud I actually did want to ask him to clarify something about it, remembered just now
He said it would "reduce grinding" but I don't know how
ancient crow
the way it's worded right now seems like it reduces grinding by making grinding harder to do
sand umbra
it would reduce player incentive to grind, thus encouraging them to actually experiment with not-meta options for more than 2 seconds
hollow shell
I think that's what he's trying to say yeah
sand umbra
thus, reducing overall grind in the end
in short, reduces grind by making it not piss easy to do so like it currently is
personally I think this indicates a bigger underlying problem which I've been meaning to address, but given the current star drought and what I'm certain are varying less-than-ideal opinions of me, it's probably not a good idea to try and weave a sugg out of it
dapper coral
it's not a bug
ashen warren
what I'm certain are varying less-than-ideal opinions of me
wdym
dapper coral
i'm actually surprised that they don't already, so this is fine
distant gyro
that was fixed
dapper coral
for 1.4.5?
distant gyro
uno
dapper coral
but like, do the actual flasks say that?
ancient crow
^
distant gyro
dos
(this was my suggestion btw)
and flask of party which does something slightly different in calam
hollow shell
@real lintel
distant gyro
sadly i can't tell when suggestions are implemented
dapper coral
your mod may need an update, Nicky
distant gyro
most i could do is say pixl marked my suggestion as complete on March 1st 2020
probably the most accurate unit i have
dapper coral
hm
well that would most likely be 1.4.4 then
if not 1.4.4 then definitely 1.4.5
so then, ima just pop the delete on this one, since it's already addressed
sand umbra
was absolutely before R&D
distant gyro
using the changelogs as a guideline
most likely implemented in 1.4.3.002
since 1.4.4.001 has 4 - Fixed typo in flask tooltips.
real lintel
hollow shell
lel
dapper coral
no worries lol
civic gust
so would doing a suggestion on how strong debuffs make silva practically irrelevant be a good idea?
becuase of how they immediately go through all of the levels of sliva invul through DoT
azure jewel
I don't understand the most recent suggestion in voting? It says that it would "reduce the grind" but all the suggestion does is make swapping difficulties more tedious. You can already do it at will. How is this less grindy?
Oh discussed right above I guess
I don't really see that as reducing grinding it just makes grinding more tedious
hollow shell
Reduced grinding as in it makes you want to grind less
And yeah you could make a suggestion about that Influx
azure jewel
That's not really reducing it tho that's just making it less viable
Making it harder to grind doesn't reduce how much grinding there is. It's just bad phrasing
Now that I get what they're going for it's fine. I don't personally like it but that's what voting (or not voting in this case) is for. I just think it was worded poorly
civic gust
maybe make it more clear which ore is which
tawny garden
m
maybe these colors should be swapped
civic gust
yeah
raven moon
yeah
civic gust
that would actually be perfect
raven moon
i honestly don't like uelibloom in the first place
civic gust
uh also maybe change the image to be one that only shows chloro and uelibloom?
cos it's kinda confusing like this
raven moon
it shows much brighter ores compared to it
here they are in game
wait no blue is aerialite
hollow shell
I don't think that it being too easy to find on the minimap is a great argument for being a downside
The main point of argument should be that the ore is brown, not green
hollow shell
... what are you suggesting?
civic gust
honestly chloro and ueli look like they should be switched
raven moon
yeah
raven moon
maybe change it to a lighter shade of green than chloro
hollow shell
Paler than Chloro?
cobalt pewter
why not buff chloro stuff? They're literally in a limbo
hollow shell
You'd rather it be a paler color than this, than to have it be brown?
raven moon
id rather have it paler and not lime green yes
raven moon
im always like that
sinful steeple
Why would uelibloom which is a rich brown be a very pale green
raven moon
i would still like to be able to see it on the map
hollow shell
But one of your arguments (apparently) is that it's too easy to see on the map
raven moon
id rather have it not too easy but not impossible
ashen warren
rover have you seen this? https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/699359022364491868/742755684927668344
ashen warren
is it true only that 3 out of 114 suggestions made it?
hollow shell
It is.
ashen warren
wow
hollow shell
raven moon
to the point where if you had your map revealed you would have to look for it but still find it in less than a minute
hollow shell
Why would 225 be a good number?
At this current rate, that's 5% of suggestions getting through
ashen warren
i think the huge number of suggesions this month is to be blamed on the new update
frail mantle
also the fact that we have over 70k members
hollow shell
Members is a bad number to use (but it constantly gets brought up when we talk about this)
ashen warren
yea
frail mantle
well when a lot of people exist in a server, a lot of people visit the channels and look at suggestions
hollow shell
If we were going by member numbers the star req would be 15k stars
ashen warren
average online memebers is the number
we should use
or active memebers in general
what do you consider an active memeber?
posted at least one message a week?
hollow shell
Or we could just actually count the amount of stars we get, like we've been doing, because that actually shows you how many stars suggestions get
frail mantle
^
hollow shell
Sorry I'm a bit tense because I was using Amidias's Trident earlier and it made me angry
ashen warren
even if the number of stars was lowered
it will be the same story
many suggestions can't break 200 stars
hollow shell
That's why we're just gonna wait, let this star req sit for about a month, and then see what the stats are like
We'll lower if necessary by then
ashen warren
do you adjust star req every month?
hollow shell
No
Just when we feel like way too many suggs are getting through (usually when it gets to over 50%)
hollow shell
Yeah, so when it hits 50% we raise the req so the rate goes down to around 20%
ashen warren
i see
hollow shell
We've adjusted the star req about 6 times in sugg history (2ish years)
ashen warren
a pretty good suggestion system
hollow shell
35 to 50 to 65 to 90 to 120 to 170 to 240
hollow shell
I dunno if it ever "blew up" as much as it's been constantly growing in popularity
hollow shell
I'll check Google
jovial spire
in terms of server growth at least, going through a spike rn
ashen warren
yeah general is always active
tawny garden
We haven't ever lowered the star req yet
jovial spire
in 3 months we've gone from like 50k to 81k
ashen warren
corona?
jovial spire
so if thats something to go off of
hollow shell
Here's the Google Trends results for Calamity Mod (blue) and Terraria Calamity Mod (red)
jovial spire
ye
raven moon
i think people join this server just for update and changelog most of the time
ashen warren
true
jovial spire
yeah but still
hollow shell
That big spike was April-May 2020
the release of the Acid Rain update
frail mantle
trailers™️
ashen warren
trailer STONKS
tawny garden
I don't think the quarantine is the explanation
It's just exponential
With occasional updates that bring people here
ashen warren
quarantine was just a huge part
people getting a lot of free time so they go back and check their favorite game and mods
jovial spire
yeah just a combo of quarentine, big update, and it being summer
ashen warren
big brain devs
hollow shell
aaanyway
ashen warren
NEXT SUGGESTION
hollow shell
@past plume You need to format your suggestion correctly.
The main idea needs to be at the top on a separate line (Shift+Enter) with the reasoning/elaboration below
(how did nobody else ping him about this)
jovial spire
btw rover, thanks for suffering in this chat for 2 years
ashen warren
♥
tawny garden
Yea, had a brainfart
jovial spire
hell, half the time they don't see it when you do ping
thats in general though
sand umbra
that's unfortunately just how it goes
tawny garden
I was editing
ashen warren
"brainfart"
dapper coral
it do be that way sometimes
ashen warren
you're not allowed to say that
sand umbra
a ping is certainly more likely to get their attention, though not guaranteed
dapper coral
hopefully this thing with the ❗ will help that
ashen warren
you can just put letters in a random order and expect to make sense
dapper coral
alexaa please
sand umbra
hollow shell
I don't know what the status is on ❗
jovial spire
"when wait did i get a verbak warn before hand" i pinged you twice for 2 verbal warns how did you not see it
may or may not be based on a real situation
sand umbra
funny you say that, actually, Rover
ashen warren
i'm pretty sure some admin said you have to get enough stars rover
sand umbra
it's sitting at 206 right now despite being nearly a week old
ashen warren
lol
sand umbra
heady storm
Amber said you need more stars yeah.
hollow shell
Indeed it is
tawny garden
Rover, you can decrease the star req 
sand umbra
we all got outplayed this week honestly
jovial spire
tbh, i wouldnt mind uelibloom getting a different color, some shade of bright brown would be nice
hollow shell
I gave Amber a big schpiel in mod chat but the convo just kinda stopped
civic gust
tfw you thought this was gen talk
sand umbra
good job
civic gust
sorry for the disruption
tawny garden
sand umbra
heady storm
ashen warren
civic gust
discord
sand umbra
so
is there anything we can do at the moment to assess the whole
star drought going on rn
civic gust
star drought?
hollow shell
Keep doing suggs as normal and if we lower it later then I'll retroactively apply that new req to the post-240 suggs
sand umbra
m
civic gust
oh yeah ive noticed that basically no suggs get above 240
i think there were like only 2 that got above the threshold after it was changed
sand umbra
that is the discussion topic yes
and on that note, an assertion:: a lot of the suggs in posting right now haven't even hit the old req of 170
ashen warren
mine did
sand umbra
so even if it was never raised to begin with the rate still would've gone down dramatically
if I had to wager a guess as to why, it's because everyone's going back to school now and quarantine's being lifted in a lotta places
sand umbra
not nearly as much time to skim through suggs for 5 hours and star everything you like
got other things to worry about, y'see?
ashen warren
the calm after the update?
civic gust
i just read the topic
sand umbra
it's not "the calm after the update"
because suggs rode the 170 mark proudly for months after the Acid Rain update
and I can tell you exactly why; because quarantine had just started around that time and was still in full force for a while thereafter
there was nothing else to do
so you had all the time in the universe to check out the latest suggs on the block
tawny garden
"The calm after the update" was when 1.4 vanilla dropped
The sugg flow completely stopped for 2 days
sand umbra
you don't have that time anymore
sand umbra
school's openin' back up, quarantine's being gradually lifted, people are actually going places now
civic gust
school starting tmrw for me 😔
ashen warren
wow what
sand umbra
it's not like back when the 170 raise happened when literally everyone was around
hollow shell
I'm going back to college, yes
ashen warren
♥
hollow shell
They're taking a lot of precautions but many kids are indeed being let on campus
tawny garden
This is offtopic much
civic gust
ok so one thing about the next update that i heard from fab is that spam click murasama is going to be removed
dapper coral
This is offtopic much
slightly, yes
wooden wedge
since when is it not offtopic
cobalt pewter
ok so one thing about the next update that i heard from fab is that spam click murasama is going to be removed
@civic gust
civic gust
but that's one of the only things that actually makes it reasonable
sand umbra
you're still in sugg chat influx
civic gust
yeah so im asking if i should make a sugg about it
hollow shell
We're strayin a bit yeah
ashen warren
and the reasons
sand umbra
ah. anywho
civic gust
so to make spam-clicking less of a complete advantage, i was thinking of making murasama's second strike have longer range
so it's a loss/gain tradeoff between spam click and hold
hollow shell
If Fab's already letting you not do it, why suggest about it?
ashen warren
what is he talking about?
civic gust
because murasama takes an insanely long amount of time to kill scal as it is
with spam click
sand umbra
tl;dr star drought is happening because star req got raised twice due to an anomaly in how many people were looking at sugg chats thanks to quarantine coupled with summoner and a massive update
and now, primarily because of the second raise and that anomaly being corrected, the threshold now horrendously overexaggerates the number of people that actually look at sugg chats
I suppose that's enough on it for now, though. will probably be assessed later and I have my reposting finger ready for when it happens just in case
ashen warren
so for sure it is going down again?
sand umbra
now then, what other suggestions require immediate discussion
umbral mulch
No one's gonna use murasama on scal as is atm even with spam click lul
ashen warren
it is a post yharon phase one weapon right?
ashen warren
BOTH PHASES??
dapper coral
that is what 'yharon dead' means
ashen warren
idk i never use it
umbral mulch
yes
hollow shell
The star count drastically dropping isn't really something we coulda predicted
It was nothin but up all the way to the end of July
Only after we raised the req did it plummet, sadly
ashen warren
yeah a second wave could come
sand umbra
and I get that
dapper coral
look, the star drop is what it is, we know what we're gonna do to fix it
hollow shell
@crisp hill Your suggestion should focus more on why you think it should be easier to control / what's inconvenient about the current system
rather than what you specifically think would be better
hollow shell
Yeah you can edit it
robust lava
Would this sugg also need dedicatee permission, or is it good?
tawny garden
This sugg seems a tad specific
tawny garden
And the "thats my suggestion..." part is unnecessary
crisp hill
( ._.)
dapper coral
Personally I’m not a fan because it sounds like a lot of manual work for sugg gang
Since I don’t see there being any way to automate this with a bit
Bot*
heady storm
Well, it's valid so yeah.
wild fiber
otherwise it'd be a bit too much work too often.
heady storm
Dunno how it would be executed, but Ig we would discuss it in mod corner.
dapper coral
Yeah, should I do it or do you wanna
I’ll just stick this here in case it dies, for ambers reference
Add a way for buried suggs to become visible again
The problem with suggs is that they often get buried and forgotten. Adding a way for suggs to become visible again would fix this issue without lowering the star requirement. Maybe a link to suggs that have reached at least 75% of the requirement in #suggestions-posting or a new channel so users have a chance to check old suggs again.
heady storm
Guess we let it die then.
hollow shell
heady storm
More than QoL reasoning required iIrc?
frail mantle
i'd say so
heady storm
Sure I suppose.
dapper coral
Yea it’s fine
heady storm
That bold got borked or smth.
heady storm
dapper coral
Shrug
hollow shell
heady storm
I'd say absolutely.
heady storm
^
wild fiber
I've always hated that rationalization, it's the fact others can do it in multiplayer.
hollow shell
Well, MP sync is an issue, so I dunno if configs will even fix that
untold cargo
the devs would have to add every single vanilla recipe in that case
wild fiber
Sorry that was rude for no reason.
dapper coral
No, it’s fine
wild fiber
Loading?
untold cargo
Yes
wild fiber
What do you mean I was more talking about boss and general game progression
or are you saying slippery slope?
Actually, I get it; I'll keep it a personal mod
hollow shell
Let's assume MP sync will eventually be fixed for configs
I think this suggestion is fine for forcing one to resist temptation
I just think your suggestion could have more elaboration as to why you want this, cuz you just have that it feels cheaty
wild fiber
Deleted the suggestion
hollow shell
oh
untold cargo
You can’t just have a config saying can’t make shadow key but can make a balloon
Oh
hollow shell
Why not, Loading?
untold cargo
It would just seem a little strange
Having something for one thing but not the other
wild fiber
Well these do have the most impact on the game
hollow shell
The difference is that Shadow Key is required to obtain higher tier items in two areas
whereas Balloon is accessible from the beginning and its recipe just exists so you have enough to craft BoB
wild fiber
Also Balloon is technically not guaranteed to exist
where Shadow Key is
Well actually Sky Crates
hollow shell
Indeed, because Dungeon Lock Box
(as funny as dungeon fishing is, it exists)
untold cargo
Imagine pouring water into your dungeon
wild fiber
Yeah
untold cargo
Yes
heady storm
They do yeah.
wild fiber
Either way the situation is still different
Shadow key is always able to be gotten 100%
dapper coral
Indeed, because Dungeon Lock Box
(as funny as dungeon fishing is, it exists)
Can we just treat these like they don’t exist? No one does this lol
hollow shell
I guess a lot of our recipes are less anti-limited-supply and more so anti-fishing
wild fiber
yeah
hollow shell
and in Ankh ingredients' case, anti-grinding
(which anti-fishing could also fall under, arguably)
Kinda not a big fan of a lot of our recipes but I think that's a bit too big for me to tackle rn
untold cargo
I never make the ankh shield anyway so recipes don’t bother me
tawny garden
Can we just treat these like they don’t exist? No one does this lol
I did that once. Was fishing for an hour. Can you guess how many lock boxes I got?
hollow shell
None?
tawny garden
Yes
wild fiber
I certainly don't like Blood Orbs in their current incarnation; I feel like Blood Orbs should only replace the "most annoying item" in the recipe instead of the whole thing for Vanilla potions.
hollow shell
wew
untold cargo
No way
hollow shell
And I am personally fine with Blood Orbs replacing almost everything because Blood Orbs are fuckers to get anyway
dapper coral
Blood orbs are ass to get ye
untold cargo
I generally get 10 at max a night
wild fiber
Is it? I feel like I'm getting 100 every Bloodmoon
untold cargo
What
wild fiber
Yeah
dapper coral
But I agree they can be a little anticlimactic to use
tawny garden
With bloodflare you could
untold cargo
Blood flare uses blood orb
hollow shell
I just kinda hate the Blorb system in general and wanna replace it with something more interesting
but, again, too big an issue
dapper coral
Yeah I could only get like 20 max per night
untold cargo
How
tawny garden
👀
wild fiber
I just seem to get swarmed idk
hollow shell
Death Mode?
untold cargo
But it’s kind rare
wild fiber
Maybe I'm rolling good rng often?
untold cargo
I only play death
tawny garden
Mb another mod changes drop rate?
dapper coral
Ye theres no way
wild fiber
I have no idea then
tawny garden
You should play the lottery
wild fiber
Maybe my save is bugged or something?
hollow shell
¯_(ツ)_/¯
wild fiber
but it's happened more than on this save
untold cargo
Are you sure they are blood orbs
wild fiber
Yeah
untold cargo
Not something from a different mod
untold cargo
Hmm
wild fiber
my*
which I know what it does
it just changes some recipes
(Removes the recipe for Shadow Key, Temple Key, Portabulb and changes the Rod of Discord recipe to 18 Luminite Bar, 30 Soul of Light, 30 Pixie Dust, 5 Chaos Fish)
untold cargo
I refuse to see that mod again
wild fiber
wild fiber
but yeah maybe I'm just hitting the lottery, yeah I'll put a cork in it no worries demik
dapper coral
wild fiber
I'd actually agree on that
there is little to no indication
maybe the first thing the guy inside tells you is how those fuel stations work?
hollow shell
Yeah I think this is a good sugg
wild fiber
always first thing he says
Put a ! above his head as well for new dialogue like an NPC
wild fiber
I think it'd be nice but low priority
gray nebula
dapper coral
As a wannabe builder this would be cool
tawny garden
Which one is that?
dapper coral
Yee
tawny garden
Ah, lol
hollow shell
Also hi Iban
dapper coral
Morning Iban
hollow shell
Would you be okay with that dude's suggestion for changing Andromeda's control scheme
gray nebula
I saw the ping thing and uh I kinda disagree
hollow shell
ah
tawny garden
Bam
gray nebula
because funny complexity
also I have a bigger ui it's just that
ui hard to change
dapper coral
Iban has spoken
tawny garden
Ye
dapper coral
It must be yeeted
tawny garden
@crisp hill the dedicatee disagreed
hollow shell
@crisp hill Sorry, but Iban (the item's dedicatee) prefers the current method of control
(see above)
gray nebula
sorry
dapper coral
Oop double ping
tawny garden
Double ping
hollow shell
s'fine
hollow shell
m, current buttons are pretty smol
dapper coral
gray nebula
gonna ask for github access and die trying to change the ui myself 
heady storm
Sure.
dapper coral
Are there any plans for eleblaster atm?
hollow shell
S'fine
It's a re-sugg anyhow
Though, that does mean it's prime for feedback to improve its chances next time
And, nothing concrete, afaik
(I personally might do something about it in the future but don't count on it)
frail mantle
reasoning is directly copy+paste from the first time he sugged it
dapper coral
Interesting
dapper coral
Mm
They weren’t pinged about any specific changes as of right now
Does anyone have some feedback to ping em with?
tawny garden
The reason is kinda eh
heady storm
List out some examples of upgraded stuff perhaps?
tawny garden
They do talk about consistensy, but the most of the sugg is "I like this weapon"
heady storm
Not everyones likes it necessarily yeah.
dapper coral
It was worse before but yeah that part is probably unnecessary
wild fiber
Super off topic but, should Zen potion even exist?
tawny garden
Yes.
dapper coral
Uh
heady storm
Mhm.
dapper coral
I mean, if Zerg does then zen can too I guess
wild fiber
I feel like Zerg isn't anywhere near as good as Zen
It is but for different reasons...
Like just make a Zen for the first time you go into Abyss
Make zen before any dungeon
Go to underworld with a Zen
etc.
frail mantle
Zen is post-plantera, isn't it
dapper coral
(@vivid kestrel look above and try to adjust your sugg so it’s less about how you like it and more about consistency between elemental weapons and their upgrades)
wild fiber
It's hardmode
frail mantle
needs Cores of Eleum
dapper coral
I think so ye
wild fiber
Yeah but you need to deal with a boss during that time
tawny garden
WoF said hi
wild fiber
Another option is for me to double down on that to avoid exploits and say this:
Should boss zen exist
tawny garden
Yes
frail mantle
yes we do
tawny garden
Otherwise you're gonna have shitty wyverns
dapper coral
Getting slapped by enemy in a fight is stinky
wild fiber
I agree Demik
tawny garden
In the middle of a ml fight
frail mantle
enemies spawning while you're fighting a boss is one of the most ass-pissingly annoying things i've experienced in Terraria
dapper coral
There would be like 2 bosses that would apply too though
Since most bosses require full attention
wild fiber
Ehh I disagree, I would say pretty much all vanilla bosses don't need it minus Moonlord.
frail mantle
think about it this way
wild fiber
gitgud then philo
frail mantle
the fight is supposed to be about the boss itself, not the random ass enemies that happen to spawn while you're fighting
dapper coral
Nohitters btw
shudder
tawny garden
(I'm not one of them)
wild fiber
It's a decision to limit yourself (no hit), game shouldn't balance around it.
frail mantle
the game isn't balanced around nohits
wild fiber
I know
I'm saying that a decision shouldn't be dissuaded by saying
no hitters exist
frail mantle
hell, Fab only listens to nohitters on boss design when it comes to making sure attacks are fair
wild fiber
When it comes to boss designs I'm fine with that
frail mantle
other than that he prefers opinions from testers that haven't fought every Calamity boss fifteen hundred times to the point where they know everything about the boss
wild fiber
When it comes to balance the best way for high end
and low end
is to balance for the high end
those benefits will trickle down
or not even be felt by the newer players
Eitherway my original intent was this
It shouldn't be possible to go
"Zen potion, I'm safe"
Atleast not until post moonlord
wasn't really even about boss zen
tawny garden
It's just a convenience at best
frail mantle
Zen used to be way worse
wild fiber
or Abyss cheese at worst philo
tawny garden
It's been nerfed so much
frail mantle
iirc before it reduced spawn rates by thirty times or something
wild fiber
I'd like it if Zen potions worked like this
tawny garden
30x was candle, potion was even more
wild fiber
Certain biomes are unaffected
Abyss, Underworld, Dungeon
I think that would be a fine middleground
I'm likely forgetting certain biomes
but you get the point
Zen should be for your house and mining
dapper coral
But like, that’s where it’s useful
tawny garden
I'm actually for them not working in abyss
hollow shell
(btw iunno if anyone mentioned but Boss Zen is toggleable)
dapper coral
Abyss cheese sure
wild fiber
Maybe underworld fine since it's annoying as hell setting up a boss bridge
dapper coral
Wait, that’s a thing now? Nice
wild fiber
but Abyss at minimum needs to be immune to Zen potions
distant gyro
abyss is nerfed with a zen
wild fiber
rephrase please?
frail mantle
Zen potion is only available Post-Plant, and after Plantera the only reason you'd go into the Dungeon, Abyss or Underworld is if you're farming the enemies, in which case you don't actually want low spawn rates
wild fiber
AH kk
distant gyro
i am good with words i swear
frail mantle
yea abyss already shits on Zen
wild fiber
tawny garden
(Btw pretty much nobody knows this, but there is a limit of 200 npcs in one world simultaneously, and town npcs and target dummies and super dummies count towards that)
That can be exploited
wild fiber
(game should really unload npcs and dummies while off screen)
actually would it be possible to track NPC and dummy coordinates
delete them when X distance away
then when you get within X distance
respawn them
cobalt pewter
Town NPCs barely affect this limit imo
tawny garden
No, that won't work
wild fiber
Store coordinates in memory
tawny garden
It already does the bare minimum
wild fiber
I feel like it would Philo, I've done hacky things like that before for other games
tawny garden
And that still takes a lot of ram
tawny garden
I've actually looked through redcode, have you?
wild fiber
store it in a text file
cobalt pewter
Redcode is a different monstrosity
wild fiber
I have not philo I was under the impression you hadn't either.
tawny garden
Aight
wild fiber
just saying there's ways to keep it off ram
tawny garden
Byeah limits exist for a reason
The best that could be done is to treat town npcs/dummies as critters
And even that has limitations
wild fiber
Oh of course but has that stopped me from increasing actor limit in doom engine no LUL
tawny garden
tawny garden
Yep
hollow shell
Is Gan's star req sugg not gonna be approved?
dry latch
gather public opinion
dapper coral
We kinda already said that we’ll lower it in a couple weeks
Since rover gathered stats
wild fiber
I think i'll wait for then to suggest stuff then
dapper coral
Something tells me the public would not be opposed to such a thing
tawny garden
RIP
Also, I thonk the sugg system good as is, as it in a way balances around itself: it doesn't set a clear bound, so the old suggs still technically have a chance, but also ancient suggs don't naturally get stars, and deliveries are rarer
think*
that typo deserves to stay
And with the current system a wide range of suggs exist, from completely failed to good ones, where the proposed system will have only failed ones or the good ones
Dysproportionate
real steppe
About the Ueliebloom suggestion.. what are your thoughts about it?
To be fair, Uelibloom being lime green just makes sense as it its not as vibrant as the other "natural" ores
In fact, it looks brown but maybe i'm color blind
vivid kestrel
Demik I edited my suggestion, just to let you know.
heady storm
heady storm
Philo said it was earlier wot.
distant gyro
The "bluecheck". The suggestion has already been delivered in the past.
shaking my head telling trial mods to read the pins
this is a repost but the original suggestion never got delivered
it just stuck in limbo
heady storm
(Ah, thanks.)
heady storm
S'fine
It's a re-sugg anyhow
T'was rover actually, I'm just mixing things.
Now I know they are technically two different things.
tawny garden
Ah
graceful stream
So I was playing Calamity and got annoyed
How is Tally Counter not craftable?
Getting it is a pain and pure rng
And as I wrote it, immediately got it
golden narwhal
Yea, guess is that it's because it's relatively common compared to the others
untold cargo
It doesn’t really matter it doesn’t change anything
ashen warren
By me.
ashen warren
So, I need 240 stars on my suggestion in order for it to be added in?
untold cargo
To be viewed by devs/fabsol/idk
ashen warren
It seems a bit much...
untold cargo
Honestly I think it should be 210 at max but apparently when it was 170bstar 60% suggestions went in
Something like that
serene fox
it's getting lowered afaik
dry latch
in two weeks or so iirc
ashen warren
Only 7 suggestions since August 6th has hit above 200 stars.
untold cargo
240 is a lot
ashen warren
it really is.
But, the words of two or more measly ppl won't be able to change anything.
dry latch
I made a sugg about it. devs said they'd wait and see if the pattern continues first
ashen warren
When did they say that?
dry latch
prolly cuz it has only been a week since it got increased
earlier today
err, a few hours ago. not sure what day it is on your side
ashen warren
It'll take 67 more stars for my suggestion to get in.
It's not gonna get in, is it?
Only a chosen few extremely good ones are gonna get through.
dry latch
You can repost it again after they lower the reqs prolly
hazy bluff
pale glacier
frail mantle
the recent suggestions haven't been here for long
fervent saddle
Make a diable button to a rainbow thingy on the top of youre screen when fighting cryogen
Really hurting my eyes
weak field
I think lighting mode retro and trippy disable that?
fervent saddle
:(
I think lighting mode retro and trippy disable that?
@weak field nope it still on
H e l p
weak field
Then suggest it
fervent saddle
Where?
weak field
Or you know, put a layer of background walls to block it
fervent saddle
What?
weak field
#suggestions-posting ,Better read the pins first
wdym what
Cover the whole arena in walls
untold cargo
What is that reason
fervent saddle
To make a disable button?
untold cargo
Also is diable even a word
fervent saddle
Oh woops
untold cargo
My eyes hurt doesn’t really explain
untold cargo
Yes
earnest vine
yeah but a bit more reasoning
untold cargo
Also it’s cool why and how does it hurt eye
earnest vine
like it might be problematic for some people as they have lower visiblilty of cryogen's projectiles for example?
untold cargo
Maybe it could some how lag a bit
earnest vine
idk some more valid reasoning than ur eyes hurt
fervent saddle
Maybe it could some how lag a bit
@untold cargo wow u read mind
untold cargo
Then write that down
fervent saddle
Aight
hollow idol
It can cause problems to people with epilepsy or something I guess? (not really)
fervent saddle
Well for me yes
weak field
Best suggestion, 10/10
earnest vine
then make sure to include that in the sugg
weak field
Should probably make it a config option instead of a button
untold cargo
Well I think that’s what they mean
graceful stream
Okay so I was playing Calamity and got annoyed
Fantasy talismans are too strong
They're even stronger than new legendary
And they're the same tier
untold cargo
New legendary?
sleek turret
it is ranged?
untold cargo
Rogue
graceful stream
It is rogue
untold cargo
Both rogue
graceful stream
Don't spam
sleek turret
well then im not going to go for it.
untold cargo
Woah
tawny garden
The Leonid Progenitor is an unobtainable Hardmode Legendary bomb
untold cargo
Sorry
tawny garden
I blame bad internet..?
wooden wedge
if you're lagging that bad might as well not use discord for now
untold cargo
Yes
graceful stream
I know it's unobtainable
I don't have patience to wait until next patch is released
sleek turret
You can only get it by Cheatsheet/Hero's item browser.
graceful stream
40 - Leonid Progenitor is now obtainable
wooden wedge
next patch is like, very soon
zenith hazel
leonid progenitor is actually balanced
cobalt pewter
Plus I doubt they'll change the weapon's stats
tawny garden
good
zenith hazel
we just accidentally forgot to make it obtainable
tawny garden
ah
graceful stream
Fantasy talismans are like too good
sleek turret
sea searing left click on-hit effects
weak field
That's a no
untold cargo
Maybe no
weak field
Demonshade is supposed to be offensive
cobalt pewter
Auric Armor is a massive design flaw imo
dark kernel
Still better than demonshade tho
cobalt pewter
It's too much of a bundle of shit
tawny garden
weak field
Still works
cobalt pewter
But again, demonshade is kinda bad unless glass cannon
weak field
Auric armor is more like silva+god slayer+tarragon strapped together
sleek turret
Auric, honestly I think is better than Demonshade, having free revives is pretty good, and having another armor bonuses & class bonuses.
weak field
No, I mean all of its ingredients strapped together
tawny garden
with gaffer tape
sleek turret
ah yes: 1 accesory, all the other armors, some auric bars.
dark kernel
Flex tape
cobalt pewter
Golden flex tape
weak field
Flex seal
cobalt pewter
Phil Swift gotta bank on this idea
tawny garden
stop chain
dark kernel
Btw it's 3 accessories
dark kernel
Demonshade is worse because shadowspec bars are made with calamitous esscense instead of flex tape
tawny garden
stop
cobalt pewter
This is why you never bring up Flex Tape® to a convo
sleek turret
Since most of the weapons are made with Auric and a bunch of weapons/armors
weak field
Seriously stop
tawny garden
byeah there's supposed to be a choice
dark kernel
Great idea: add flex tape to demonshade armour recipe (and buff it)
weak field
...
wooden wedge
stay on topic thanks
weak field
I think there's already a flex tape mod out there somewhere
tawny garden
between gaffer tape and glass cannon Auric and Demonshade
dark kernel
Technically this is on topic
tawny garden
it's not
wooden wedge
flex tape isn;t a topic for sugg disc
weak field
Only two kinds of people use demonshade
First: noobs just saw calamity and just use cheat sheet to mess around
dark kernel
Ok forget what I said about it bein on topic
weak field
Second: Real gamers doing nohit