And they move accordingly to the pattern
#suggestions-discussion
weak field
ashen warren
well it's hard to keep up with the timer if you consider everything else that's going on
wooden lance
you know when its coming every time
sinful steeple
There's like a triple telegraph, when the attack starts it needs to actually turn to hit you which can be seen coming, it's always on a timer and if you're close enough you can see them stay still for a bit longer than the other attacks
weak field
But I always run like ten thousand miles away from him 
wooden lance
same reason why prime laser circle isnt bad
weak field
Beside that one time when I annilated him with nebula Arcanum
vocal grotto
Honestly, I think as it stands, Moon Lord could do with certain other things being changed first.
Not having small additions as most boss changes entail these days.
A near full overhaul.
As it stands the fight just seems really... spammy. And the "run away" strat thing still for the part stands.
If we can achieve this, then I think making the ray more interesting would be good.
wooden lance
i can agree with that
weak field
Prime laser circle is heavily telegraphed with a roar a huge circle and earrapping pewpewpew noise
maybe not earraping but you get my point
wooden lance
the prime laser circle is telegraphed by lasers not being fired for longer thn usual
weak field
Personally, ml fight is chaotic but at least have a static pattern
wooden lance
ml fight is similar to prime fight when you think about it
weak field
And calamity already made the smol eyes to have synced attaccs (no?)
sharp sorrel
Game Nights (or other events like that)/ Talk with staff nights
Consider introducing nights / days, or events where people can stream games, like Terraria and others! or cool mods, Сalamity and more!
I think this may apply to other events as well! like a Calamity story contest, story reading or more!
guys! its bad idea?
sand umbra
similar in that both of them have attack "telegraphs" that are completely trivial to veteran players and completely unintuitive to newer players?
because I'd agree with that
weak field
Eh, never seen something like that
sharp sorrel
oh alright
weak field
Thomas always gets to the point
vocal grotto
I'd like it if the eyes got completely changed.
Keep them synchronized, yeah.
But fundamentally change them to something else.
wooden lance
essentially
weak field
The eyes right now are like ml hands but they can fly around and cheap shot you now
sand umbra
I've been trying lately to learn to get to the point faster so I don't have to go on half-hour ramblings
sturdy geyser
tbh have them remain static and stay by moon lord
weak field
Then what's the point of the eye
Since they have a similar pattern to the hands
Albeit a smoler laser 
wooden lance
elemental lance teoc's
wooden wedge
I don't know how something like this would work
sand umbra
seems pretty straightforward to me
cobalt pewter
I'd personally make Phantasmal Eyes ignore the angle limit, move faster as they travel, and explode after traveling for a certain time
weak field
Maybe in its own server
wooden lance
i like your idea coffee, but i dont know how it would be implimented
gray nebula
imagine t*lking with people
wooden lance
^
cobalt pewter
Lewd
sand umbra
a bunch of idiots get into a call and converse with each other and with a much larger number of other idiots of varying intellectual prowess for a few hours
untold cargo
Especially talking online
wooden lance
if you could be more specific regarding execution, the sugg could be better
weak field
"explode after..."
aureus spawn be like
cobalt pewter
"explode after..."
aureus spawn be like
@weak field haha Aureus Spawn go fwoosh
sand umbra
tierlist livestream was 500 years ago
violet dagger
turn on voice in discord voice channel=bad 
sand umbra
and nobody goes in voice in this server because it holds like 20 people at max
wooden lance
plus vc sucks
weak field
I always use vc if possible 
violet dagger
also theres like nothing for a tierlist that could be done on
wooden lance
wooden lance
bosses
gray nebula
theres no other tierlist cuz like
wooden lance
armors
wooden lance
accessories
cobalt pewter
My 20-year-old soyboy voice is often mistaken as an adult woman's
violet dagger
:pepesosadcat:
wooden lance
depending on who you ask you are
vocal grotto
tierlist livestream was 500 years ago
Terramain Q&A was only 100 years ago
ashen warren
YES
weak field
Game nights are uh, hard to implement in discord
wooden lance
ive tried
weak field
More like another server and a few bots
violet dagger
youtube channel qna was 150 years ago
Terramain Q&A was only 100 years ago :TaxEvasion:
wooden lance
ive failed
sand umbra
I forgot Terramain Q&A happened
gray nebula
game nights are not legal because it would involve admitting some people are g*mers
sand umbra
aren't you a gamer
sturdy geyser
this is a no g*mers zone
weak field
modded mp, more like payjoin to win
ashen warren
umm you forgot to censor it thomas..
sturdy geyser
g*mers not allowed
weak field
Why censor
wooden lance
we dont play the video games on this christian server
gray nebula
yep ::// g*mers bad
violet dagger
it got buried in the channel since they did a furyforged qna
sand umbra
what the heck are you on about censoring
ashen warren
the g word
gray nebula
ashen warren
Gaymer
wooden lance
weak field
People are weird
violet dagger
gammer
sand umbra
gay mer
ashen warren
Grammar
weak field
You'll just have to work with them
cobalt pewter
Cring
weak field
And if you can't, rage quit like me
wooden wedge
(this should probably stop now)
weak field
Yeah bye gotta head out
wooden lance
h*ccing g mers
sand umbra
anywho this is going offtrack real fucking fast
weak field
As if that's not what this channel is for
We were talking about game nights
How did we get here
wooden lance
honestly if someone renamed the channel to sidetrack supreme for a day
weak field
^
wooden lance
accuracy achieved
violet dagger
and put a 6 hour slowmode
weak field
gray nebula
talk with staff is actually ok because its staff and not devs 
wooden lance
everyone knows that devs arent people
weak field
They're hooman
sand umbra
devs are robots
weak field
Not peoople
sand umbra
as are wiki editors
weak field
yeah I get it
sand umbra
we all know this
gray nebula
wooden lance
yes
gray nebula
anyways interesting suggestion but how it would be executed is too funny
wooden lance
^
ashen warren
Everyone: we should get on track
Also everyone: stays off track
sand umbra
personally I like it. community interaction is a healthy part of development
ashen warren
^
violet dagger
then again the execution of it is important
wooden lance
you talking game night
violet dagger
it sounds like a good idea on paper
ashen warren
at what point did you start talking about scal
wooden lance
when iban weighed in
violet dagger
but when put into action it has a high chance it'll end up horribly
cobalt pewter
Scal?
I ain't seeing nothing about scal
Last time I read it was something about Destroyer and Tom ranting again
wooden lance
i dont either, im not smart
cobalt pewter
wooden lance
never mind me
wooden lance
yes
violet dagger
yes
gray nebula
wtf
wooden lance
its auric
gray nebula
oh probably must have been donated back when auric tier weapons were still allowed
now everyone donates for a darksun tier weapon instead
gray nebula
and when we will inevitably ban darksun tier, they'll donate for cosmilite tier
wooden lance
jfc
violet dagger
~~make programming the weapon a requirement for auric tier ~~
pine star
And then it keeps going down
gray nebula
everyone just wants their own cool and epic weapon to kill scal with 😔
wooden lance
i suppose thats what happens when the average age in your community is 10
gray nebula
thats why true gods become dev and then ask for a stupidly complex item thats not bound by restrictions 
but yes its a donor weapon
gloomy umbra
Lol
gray nebula
i dont think we can downgrade it without the permission of the patreon
violet dagger
then again, tyranny's end is auric meaning when draedon is a thing it'll be used against him and not scal
gloomy umbra
Imagine getting your nsfw thrower
violet dagger
since exo =/= auric
sinful steeple
I though tyranny's end was like added this update
gloomy umbra
And killing SCal with it
wooden lance
it was
gloomy umbra
Yes
gray nebula
yeah it was added this update but donated for some time ago
gloomy umbra
It was added in r&d
sinful steeple
Oh makes sense
wooden lance
the problem with tyrannys end is that its still using holy fire bullets
better bullets are needed
violet dagger
bloodfire bullets are now a thing
wooden lance
no
wooden lance
an scal tier gun is cool
gloomy umbra
@wooden lance wait isnt Svantechnical alr SCal tier?
wooden lance
who's talking about sven
im talking tyranny
im talking about a gun that you can use against scal
which didnt exist before
sinful steeple
Svantechnical is BR tier
wooden lance
also, tyrannys end isnt a support weap
its supposed to be a standalone weapon, even if it isnt a good one
gloomy umbra
Welp i use it just for the mark debuff :-w
sand umbra
me when everyone just donates for late-game weapons
and then here I am with a summon drop from a boss that I hate fighting
wooden lance
why are you using it for the marked debuff when scal is immune to it
which one is yours
gloomy umbra
@wooden lance thats a good one
distant gyro
TE is supposed to be only for scal
because it bypasses all of scal's defense and DR which is normally problematic
distant gyro
. (urded)
wooden lance
too bad it sucks
cobalt pewter
I haven't tried virili against new Deus
sand umbra
virili should be part of HotE
I'm going to rip off your right arm and make it into a massive hot dog
cobalt pewter
It definitely worked against the one pre-1.4.5
sand umbra
or, if you're left-handed, I will rip off your left arm instead
wooden lance
its a shame you cant hug her
cobalt pewter
But idk about now
sand umbra
do not diss my infectious daughter
sand umbra
she does better than Stardust weps ever could, probably
wooden lance
dragon isnt a high bar
cobalt pewter
dragon is the lowest of bars
sand umbra
primarily because Cal fucking murders durg
and basically everything is immune to Celled
cobalt pewter
True
wooden lance
yes
wooden lance
no boss is immune to claps
cobalt pewter
Yes
wooden lance
not even scal
cobalt pewter
Even then, both summons are virtually similar in how they work
I was about to suggest the exact same thing
wooden lance
type faster next time lol
cobalt pewter
I didn't expect someone else to actually think about suggesting that
So once I saw ya typing, I just leave ya be
wooden lance
fair enough
i cant allow someone not named me to have a summoner sugg
summoner is my entire identity
cobalt pewter
wooden lance
hollow shell
@radiant meadow I remember you mentioning something about Shellfish Claps before, and I just wanted to confirm
Are all enemies and bosses actually vulnerable to Shellfish Claps?
hollow shell
The wiki could be out of date/inaccurate
wooden lance
fair enough
cobalt pewter
True
wooden lance
good sugg feedza, my only question is whether golem is just gonna sit there in midair while the animation plays
ancient mirage
I think they mean that the animation will play, then golem will spawn
wooden lance
then that defeats the puropse of giving the player reaction time
no
endgame bosses are fine
ashen warren
nah
wooden lance
the less distraction, the better
ashen warren
Scal death is underwhelming
ashen warren
compare it to the death of the moonlord
frail mantle
she'll probably™️ get a proper death animation when she gets her human sprite
ashen warren
niiiice
wooden lance
death of moon lord is trash
ashen warren
hell no lol
ashen warren
vanilla is the smoothest game for pc
wooden lance
...
frail mantle
moon lord is the final boss of vanilla, SCal is only technically the final boss cause angry bad auric man doesn't exist yet
wooden lance
i cant argue with dumb ppl
wooden lance
when you say something like
"vanilla is the smoothest game for pc"
its hard not to be
cobalt pewter
good sugg feedza, my only question is whether golem is just gonna sit there in midair while the animation plays
@wooden lance prolly he'll just spawn right after
ashen warren
well not the smoothest
but runs pretty easily on my shit pc
with max settings
shit pc i mean shit in AFRICA
sinful steeple
Vanilla is badly optimised
ashen warren
yea yea i read my modders saying the code could be shorter or more optimized
wooden lance
its not about length
frail mantle
i mean vanilla doesn't lag my laptop immensely much either
wooden lance
its about how fuckin spaghetto it is
abstract orchid
It's weird 1.4 runs worse than modded 1.3 for me sometimes
abstract orchid
Anti torch luck mod when?
wooden lance
soon, hopefully
abstract orchid
Wait... 1/60th of a frame
abstract orchid
Who the fuck thought that was a good idea
frail mantle
how does that even work
wooden lance
i have no idea
ashen warren
torch luck calcs every 1/60th of a frame
what does that mean
frail mantle
terraria runs on 60 ticks a second, i'd assume nothing in-game can run faster than that
ashen warren
i don't get it
wooden lance
thats what ive heard people say whove read the code more thoroughly than me
abstract orchid
Exactly
wooden lance
so i wouldnt know
abstract orchid
Source please
wooden lance
i dont remember who said it
wooden lance
regarding torch luck
ashen warren
ah i see
ashen warren
which engine does terraria run on?
weak field
Its own
wooden lance
no
weak field
Oh?
sand umbra
what in the name of fuck
ancient mirage
something from 2010 i think
wooden lance
it runs on visual studio 2010
ashen warren
wtf
weak field
sand umbra
Terraria runs on XNA/FNA
a system from way back in 2010 and which has been long dead since then
tawny garden
it runs on bullshit
weak field
I thought you mean like game engines (Unreal Engine for example)
tawny garden
there is no game engine
wooden lance
fair enough
sand umbra
the fact that it even functions in modern time with such an old setup is a miracle in and of itself
ashen warren
there is no game engine, now take off your clothes
sand umbra
you first 
abstract orchid
It's every single frame I'm pretty sure
tawny garden
and whatever you heard about stuff updating 3600 times a second is just FALSE
sand umbra
there are 60 ticks in a second
abstract orchid
But for every single torch on your screen
weak field
Lewd 
tawny garden
complete lie
weak field
Yeah 60 ticks in a second for terraria for example
sand umbra
ideally, it is one tick per one frame (run the game at 60fps)
weak field
That's called TPS (ticks per second)
sand umbra
however, as we all know, this game isn't perfect, so just assume that it's 60 ticks per second
wooden lance
idk ive heard people who know this shit better than i do say that
weak field
We dont compare ticks to frames
abstract orchid
So if there are 60 torches on your screen, the game is doing 3600 distance computations per second
weak field
Kinda?
sand umbra
but that's absolutely fucking not how that works
I refuse to believe that's how that works
Red is not that retarded
wooden lance
have you looked at it
ashen warren
read in reddit something about terraria code being "obviously generated using a disassembler"
weak field
I thought the torch luck calculation is fired every time you place/destroy a tile
wooden lance
no because that would be busted for bossing
abstract orchid
The luck is based on torch distance
sand umbra
I look at Terraria's source on a regular basis
wooden lance
then look at it at some point in the near future
abstract orchid
So every single player move has to be computed
ashen warren
tom can you give us a clue on how bad terraria code is
tawny garden
Thomas, I won't be surprised at this point
wooden lance
and confirm or deny
sand umbra
I haven't looked at torch luck specifically
but I can guaran-fucking-tee you that would never pass even Terraria's god-awful QA
torch luck calcs happening 3600 times per second (60 times per tick) would slow down the game a shitload
wooden lance
and it has
sand umbra
reminder that this game is already stupidly unstable and lags at the slightest influence
wooden lance
1.4 is very slow
sand umbra
oh my god
sand umbra
please don't get me started on this subject in particular
weak field
I'm just a novice programmer don't kill me plz
ashen warren
sock
sand umbra
I have very strong opinions about luck and everything related to it
ashen warren
share them
frail mantle
tl;dr luck dumb
sand umbra
absolutely not
wooden lance
i used to be a novice programmer years ago until i got bored
weak field
Good job leon
sand umbra
because I wouldn't shut up for half an hour
weak field
That's the spirit
wooden lance
i do
abstract orchid
Again I'm just assuming but distance is the factor torches use (you have to be under a certain distance for it to work)
sand umbra
literally I yell at the trial mods to remind me not to go on tangents, don't get me onto this subject
what sugg are we talking about, clowns
wooden lance
scal sparing methinks
frail mantle
it started with the golem sugg
abstract orchid
What about golem?
wooden lance
ancient mirage
spawn animation
frail mantle
then we got onto death animations, then whether or not ML death animation is laggy and then it derailed
ashen warren
why the fuck does this chat derail every 5 mins wtf
wooden lance
because thats what convos do
ashen warren
it was spicy btw
his fault
yeah but i haven't seen any other chat like this
not me
it's impressive
sand umbra
it just happens slightly faster when I'm here
byeah this chat is notoriously bad at staying on-topic
abstract orchid
ML death animation only happens for so little time.. I doubt that's an issue
ashen warren
understandable
sand umbra
I take at least 3% responsibility for this issue
not necessarily just 3% but no less than 3%
wooden lance
4%
abstract orchid
Step your game up and make it 4%
sand umbra
no
vocal grotto
Smh, take your rants to #general-talk or to your own server
sand umbra
yeah part of it is that I have my own server to go on hour-long rants in so I think that helps me not go on tangents here as much anymore
hahayes
wooden lance
hmm yes
frail mantle
ancient mirage
pretty sure its planned
wooden lance
yes
frail mantle
scal sparing has been suggested before
wooden lance
does the sug go bye bye
frail mantle
eventually™️
frail mantle
the bot takes some time to do the thing™️ sometimes
abstract orchid
Hey I there is already one suggestion for buffing tyranny's end but can I suggest another.. that isn't just a flat damage increase or tier decrease
tawny garden
if it's a future feature, then bye bye sugg
sand umbra
armor variety sugg is very good
sand umbra
Calamity sorely lacks a diverse armor roster, most of it is just the same one-size-fits-all armors we know and love (or hate, depending on your stance)
frail mantle
buffing TE in a way that isn't stat buffs would mean reworking it, which probably wouldn't happen cause donor item moment
wooden lance
i'd like a effulgent feather summon armor set
abstract orchid
I was thinking suggesting a charging mechanic to TE so that it's more sniper like
balmy jay
Maybe stealth strikes should be charge attacks too
abstract orchid
You basically dodge and keep the weapon idle
sand umbra
Twisting Nether and Darksun Fragment rogue sets, the latter of which is an Umbraphile upgrade
don't @ me
wooden lance
yes
abstract orchid
And then bam you hit the enemies with some fat damage
frail mantle
if you want to suggest a rework for it you'd have to ask Inascet
wooden lance
armoured shell reaper tooth melee
ashen warren
can someone explain me the calamity progression very simply?
abstract orchid
Ah
wooden lance
[[mod Progression]]
red stormBOT
sand umbra
anywho the armor variety sugg is good and should be approved
balmy jay
Why not make an astral bar upgrade to Titan heart armor then
abstract orchid
Thought that might be the case
wooden lance
yes
sand umbra
where is the nearest baderator that we can bully into approving it
balmy jay
Then again that would be redundant with Empyrean armor
Unless the Titan heart upgrade focused on stealth
frail mantle
there's also Astral Armor
wooden lance
ah yes
balmy jay
Astral armor isn't a rogue armor is it?
wooden lance
the armor set known far and wide for its wide usage
frail mantle
no but it is an Astral Bar armor set
wooden lance
astral armour needs a rework
hollow shell
(big agree with Overdone's sugg)
sand umbra
ohey Rover's here
novel belfry
Well now.
sand umbra
beautiful timing, there's a good armor variety sugg that needs approvin'
wooden lance
i like overdones sugg as well
hollow shell
I've been avoiding here cuz it looks like a mess 
ashen warren
sure
wooden lance
fair enough
frail mantle
reasonable
sand umbra
understandable
wooden lance
lol
frail mantle
it's not only his mistake
frail mantle
we're all guilty of derailing the convo, you as well
wooden lance
ts not good to dwell
hollow shell
Do we all think IHS's sugg is fine?
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/699359022364491868/742154531072376942
sand umbra
yeus
novel belfry
Ah yes
frail mantle
eah
hollow shell
Cool
wooden lance
profaned phantoms sugg lol
hollow shell
Bot usually takes a second or two to process the approval
wooden lance
no
hollow shell
And, apparently for the time being Profaned's actually is correct?
wooden lance
elaborate
sand umbra
what's funny about Profaned's sugg is that it's actually a thing needed on Fargoside until further notice
sand umbra
you'd think Devi has calls given that Mutant and Abom do, but she doesn't
wooden lance
thats actually hilarious
sand umbra
there is no call for adding othermod rare enemy summons to Devi
balmy jay
I do feel like Titan heart can set a good example tho
balmy jay
Of how with an armor built for it stealth strikes can be good
hollow shell
So it should be on Calamity's side
but
it isn't... yet.
wooden lance
but that should probably go into the sugg
sand umbra
I presume it's going to happen when 1.4 Fargomod happens, but until then it's not really something that can be done without a less clean workaround
balmy jay
Well I like them
sand umbra
(and both Calamity and Fargo's Mod give you various ways to spike spawn rates anyway so it's not too much of an issue)
hollow shell
Lets not talk about stealth
novel belfry
that's a story for another year
sand umbra
stealth has been a very hot topic of contention as of late
kinda tired of hearing about, and getting into arguments over, it atm
novel belfry
are ya'll okay with giving the Amalgam it's own minion?
hollow shell
So Thomas in your informed opinion, should Profaned's sugg be approved or no?
hollow shell
Giving the Amalgam its own minion is something I've wanted to happen for a long time
sand umbra
I'm gonna hitcha with a "no", for the simple reason that it'd be ideal to wait until Devi's calls get added (which will likely be after the 1.4 jump, in which case...Calamity has way bigger fish to fry)
wooden lance
amalgam needs whatever it can get tbh
hollow shell
Alright
balmy jay
But yeah
I think what they did with spooky-fearmonger was nice
Where a good standalone armor gets an upgrade later
wooden lance
what you on about
novel belfry
can i post another suggestion to rework the fungal clump as well?
hollow shell
You can
wooden lance
i see, so youre saying like a beetle upgrade
novel belfry
okay then
balmy jay
Sort of
wooden lance
ok
balmy jay
Beetle is pretty short term upgrade tho ngl
At least if you do golem right after plant
hollow shell
What're y'all talking about
balmy jay
How standalone armors with upgrades are nice
The example I gave was spooky to fearmonger
hollow shell
Is this gonna lead into a sugg
balmy jay
Probably
wooden lance
spooky gets shafted by hydrothermic immediately
gray nebula
wooden lance
PBG w/ butterflies
Spooky + Wings
2:36:91
Hydrothermic + mothron wings
2:00:08
gray nebula
reminded me of the unique amalgam summon thing which would be epic I gotta remember to sprite it
hollow shell
👀 👀
gray nebula
use inanis' hive mind thing 
wooden lance
seems legit
gray nebula
while it's cool and original I can't imagine how that would have been supposed to be animated lmao
hollow shell
m
wooden lance
writhing mass of tentacles
violet dagger
yeah nobody is even going to try animating that
hollow shell
aight anyway
Is Lauren's sugg aight?
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/699359022364491868/742201360178479215
wooden lance
yes
violet dagger
yes
golden narwhal
Ye
golden narwhal
yea, smh my head
gray nebula
draedons arsenal in general is a bit funny
golden narwhal
Seems alright
wooden lance
yes
frail mantle
sans 1 is supposed to take 2:30 so star phroge kill time ain't that bad
wooden lance
i used a glass build
so thats not necessarily the case
normal testers would use more generalist accessories
hollow shell
@novel belfry When was the last time you used Fungal Clump?
frail mantle
in that case snake eyes and pole warper is probably fine, though the other two could probably use a buff
novel belfry
I kinda gave up on it a while ago because the healing orbs' limited range kinda made it essentially useless
hollow shell
All other summons in those tests were indeed Yharon1 tier
Fungal Clump got a range buff recently (more specifically, healing projectile speed)
Go test in-game and see if your sugg still applies
novel belfry
oh ok
wooden lance
i currently have no reason to ever craft pole warper
novel belfry
wooden lance
because darksun just does better
snake eyes is a bit underwhelming, but is the most balanced of the four imo
golden narwhal
Side note that's not particularly relevant anymore since it's in voting
Guardians actually have one noticeable death change, being the main one leaves its trail at all times
wooden lance
its not in voting
hollow shell
He's talking about this one https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/742302917574393927
wooden lance
gotcha
hollow shell
So, Spicy's sugg is good then?
golden narwhal
Seems so
tawny garden
yeah, good
novel belfry
anyways, that was strange.
the healing orb range is actually quite absurd
ancient crow
so i know amalgam got buffed
other than the seawater coming out of the clump instead of you, what changed?
haughty owl
Hey everyone, what do you think about a craftable diving helmet rather than always grinding for it early game?
ancient crow
that was sugg'd a little while ago iirc
haughty owl
Oh really?
frank stratus
d
balance sugma spotted
iirc those arsenal summons were fine but might look at them again
hollow shell
iirc if you touch the Seawater the game briefly treats you like you're underwater (without drowning or swimming), and you gain all the Amalgam's related buffs as a result
frank stratus
yeag 
idk what happened to arsenal summons
wild fiber
@dapper coral Ok I tested it out
Blood Clot: 11 DPS
Seabound: 18 DPS
no accessories
So even though Blood Clot is much further in progression than Seabound it's much worse and not worth getting at all.
Also Blood Clot moves around more erratically where Seabound likes to float closer to the enemy so it works better against worms than Blood Clot as well.
Blood Clot should stick to enemies more than Sea Bound like it's description says and maybe have a higher base damage since Seabound also has a higher base damage than it.
Something that could easily fix Blood Clot without changing anything is if each Blood Clot minion only cost 0.5 minion slots.
frank stratus
tbh making it cost half a minion slot is still changing something
what are the killtimes though
since that matters more than dps
heady storm
Collect those. ^
wild fiber
If you could find that for me that'd be great @frank stratus I'm not able to play right now so I've been having a friend test it for me but I'm kinda asking a bit much of them at this point.
frank stratus
i'll take a look when i have the time then
dapper coral
yeah, when you or Fields can get the killtimes note those down
unfortunately you can't repost it until next Sunday, but you can hold onto the numbers until then
dull junco
Guys, should Tyranny's End for Rangers not be better? It barely hits for 200k, while photoviscerator and even heavenly gale hit for 500k+.
Here, see Ritto's vid about it:
I would definitely like for it to be around 400k (a little less than others, but it also causes less screen clutter), so it definitely needs a buff next patch. Who thinks that as well?
ashen warren
while photoviscerator and even heavenly gale hit for 500k+.
that's unbalanced as fuck and most likely getting nerfed
dull junco
distant gyro
nah 500k+ doesn't need a nerf
heady storm
(Is this a buff sugg?)
distant gyro
if it's used on a fucking DUMMY
ashen warren
photo is still getting 350k spikes with glass gear though
heady storm
Dummy DPS is a meme indeed.
distant gyro
you have to reconsider your action if you get 500k+ on scal though
the entire gimmick with TE is ruined if you test with a dummy
if you barely hit 200k dps on a dummy with TE, you'll also hit 200k on scal
distant gyro
(although you'll move so fast that the bullets will miss sometimes)
ancient crow
yeah thats also a big factor
distant gyro
100k on scal is very normal
ancient crow
it's a sniper rifle so you actually need to hit your shots
distant gyro
gale has that level of dps or a bit less
idk why this dude's saying shit like "100k? nah, that's low"
magno/ace's high/aotc/exoblade/literally most auric weapons on tier have this level of dps
dull junco
Then they all need buffs if they are used against scal
distant gyro
for the record photo is getting nerfed too
dull junco
I dont know about you guys, but scale the weapons more in the same tier man
distant gyro
so his argument is dropping even harder because he's trying to compare it to an overpowered weapon
sand umbra
100k-120k on SCal is par for the course
dull junco
Its a damn sniper rifle, its shoots slow and must therefore be powerfull
distant gyro
and in the comments he even corrected that it does around as much as magnomaly cannon
sand umbra
160k-180k if you really go mega glass
dull junco
Yea
He even used community and other things (affliction)
Its tops 250k max if you hit EVERY slow bullet
And thats real glass cannon
I dont know about you guys, but this weapon wasnt even that good at yharon's fight anyway
distant gyro
it's made for scal
dull junco
Its extremely slow, low bullet damage and you need to aim for it. Why hasnt it been buffed more?!
distant gyro
sand umbra
and by that I mean completely acceptable
dull junco
(Im ranged main so i know what im talkin about)
dull junco
I wanted to use it against scal, but i ended with heavenly gale
Of course, cuz i suck at dodginf
distant gyro
yeah but half of ranger or more is just pew pew no brains
sand umbra
it's okay to have ranger weapons that actually require you to use your brain to use them
believe it or not, Ranger is not supposed to be the physical embodiment of meta in Calamity
dull junco
Yes, but its extremely slow and need to aim for it
distant gyro
just because the weapon is slow and you don't like slow weapons doesn't mean it must be stronger
dull junco
Plus the bullet is small
distant gyro
sniper rifles are insanely fast and accurate
i have no idea how aim is such a big trouble
dull junco
Well, yes it does if the rifle isnt even matching up to any other weapon
distant gyro
it sounds more like that you don't like slow weapons
and that's up to preference, not balance
distant gyro
if you don't like slow weapons, we're not going to buff the slow weapons to convince you to use it
you are,,, making not a lot of sense with that argument
dull junco
Its not that i dont like it
You are putting it the wrong way
I LOVE that rifle
I want it on the same tier
distant gyro
A. 100k dps is par for scal and TE is achieving that
B. I'd argue that you need to aim harder with heavenly gale
dull junco
Every bullet must count
A is invalid
B is also invalid
Heavenly gale shoots super fast
distant gyro
if you consistently hit 4/5 gale shots on scal then your dps is significantly ruined
dull junco
And for A, its a damn sniper rifle
distant gyro
rather than hitting 5/5
dull junco
Oh so you say that hitting with a sniper rifle is better than 1 shot of the heavenly gale, which can spew tornadoes or the superfast accurate photovis?!?!
Extremely Slow Speed
distant gyro
yeah but didn't i already tell you why slow speed doesn't matter
dull junco
150k dps tops
Every bullet matters or you get nothing
other bullets only appear if you hit with first one
Doesnt that say it needs a buff immediately
SNIPER RIFLE POST-YHARON
distant gyro
it, in fact, doesn't take a god to hit scal with a sniper rifle
dull junco
Damn im fired
It barely does even 2% hp of scal
You are just blankly stupid for saying that
distant gyro
let me reiterate:
sniper rifles are insanely fast and accurate i have no idea how aim is such a big trouble it sounds more like that you don't like slow weapons and that's up to preference, not balance
distant gyro
compare this to, say, ace's high
dull junco
3 of those points arent even true
distant gyro
which has a slow projectile speed and harder to aim
or supernova and how it is gravity-affected
dull junco
Ok, try it out on yharon phase 2 and we'll talk tomorrow ok?!
sand umbra
how fast does Tyranny's End kill SCal
distant gyro
you should try it on scal
distant gyro
whether or not something needs a buff or not is subjective
dull junco
I love sniper rifles so you dont get to say that i dont love em
Thats not true at all
distant gyro
Tyranny's End kills SCal in 4:48
sand umbra
note: 5 minutes is about par for the course
distant gyro
photo 4:05 (getting a nerf)
sand umbra
is easier to handle than Tyranny's End
dull junco
Yes
distant gyro
drat is a nohit weapon
dull junco
Right click
sand umbra
okay no this argument is over, or at the very least I'm stepping out
dull junco
Drat right click>Best Sniper Rifle
distant gyro
exoblade: 4:48
dull junco
That says a lot
dull junco
Ok list me the ranged ones then
dull junco
I still stand with my point: its a pixel wide bullet and thus you need to aim and even with aiming, 150k dps tops
distant gyro
magnomaly 5:18
dull junco
extremely slow speed
distant gyro
ace's high 5:15
distant gyro
you still sound extremely biased and you can't convince me
dapper coral
alright, i'm gonna say that this argument needs to stop now. in almost half an hour this discussion has gone nowhere.
dull junco
What would you do if some1 were to ask a wooden stick or a laser beam against Scal?
distant gyro
you're not getting anything out of this
dapper coral
at this point it's devolving into "well but i think this" and "but you're wrong, the stats actually show this"
frank stratus
?? wtf how do you guys get so worked up over game balance
distant gyro
because balance
dull junco
It has no accuracy and not even the dps for a sniper rifle endgame
frank stratus
if its unbalanced, it gets balanced
and currently there's nothing that says it's unbalanced, so it's not getting changed
dapper coral
so we're done discussing tyranny's end
distant gyro
balance is religiously talked about in calamity
whether it is in comparison to other mods, or in itself relative to other classes/options
distant gyro
"we know that"
dull junco
Needs buffs, all i say, but altix needs to stop discussing numbers and other points and come with facts about the weapon
ashen warren
come with facts
dapper coral
i said we're done discussing this.
ashen warren
stats
distant gyro
the facts = numbers though
ashen warren
wtf
frank stratus
wtf why are you guys going in circles
dull junco
All i say
real steppe
... what?
dull junco
Extremely slow speed with aim
distant gyro
byeah
frank stratus
what about it
dapper coral
this is your verbal warning, Rene. if you continue talking about it, you will receive a full warn.
real steppe
calm down, calm down.. take a breath
dull junco
Ugh, why dont you guys get this?
radiant meadow
@hollow shell by default, shellfish claps has no special immunities or vulnerabilities.
However, in the shellfish projectile file (the only source of Shellfish Claps), in the OnHit function, the projectile sets the immunity of the target right before inflicting the debuff for 2 and 7-ninths of an hour. So functionally, everything with 99% or higher DR is immune, and anything below that is not immune.
frank stratus
because we're balance testers
dapper coral
you're going in circles and not understanding the very valid points that are being given to you
dull junco
I have 3 valid points and none of them were rebutted
hollow shell
Alright, thanks Ben
radiant meadow
if you have trouble aiming, just use a different weapon
the functionality of the weapon will not change
It's a donor item
dull junco
But i love a snooper roofle 😩
frank stratus
okay??
distant gyro
it's AMR 2 and you know it
real steppe
That's just how things work and the donor has the upper hand
dapper coral
too bad. if you can't aim with a sniper rifle, which are meant to be used with aiming, then use another weapon
radiant meadow
not really
real steppe
Sorry
distant gyro
knew it
radiant meadow
they exist, but they're not active around here
dull junco
Is there even a chance for another sniper rifle with bigger accuracy at least?
(And dps)
All i ask
frank stratus
wdym bigger accuracy
radiant meadow
It shoots at the cursor
at basically hitscan speed
It's pretty hard to get more accurate than that
real steppe
you mean homing?
dull junco
Just read my 3 valid points all over again and promis me that in a new sniper rifle
ashen warren
bruh
dapper coral
Just read my 3 valid points all over again and promis me that in a new sniper rifle
no.
frank stratus
nah no promises are gonna be made
hollow shell
All in all this has been a very bruh moment
frank stratus
especially since you aren't reading over literally what everyone else here has been saying
dull junco
Cuz if you dont buff it, nobodys gonna use it
hollow shell
You can make a suggestion to buff it
frank stratus
what the hell discord
especially since you aren't reading over literally what everyone else here has been saying
hollow shell
but you need to include DPS numbers and kill times
radiant meadow
the point of a patron item is to satisfy the people who paid for it
ashen warren
there's a video in general-media of a 4min scal kill with it using pseudo-glass gear
dapper coral
we've been rebuffing that idea for half an hour
because there is actual evidence against it
real steppe
Be a donor
heady storm
Is this even going anywhere?
dull junco
Evidence?
ashen warren
no
hollow shell
Yes, Rene
dull junco
What
ashen warren
...
hollow shell
You need evidence
frank stratus
hollow shell
to support that it has poor DPS or kill times
dull junco
The vid i linked
ashen warren
dummy testing
dull junco
frank stratus
that vid is inaccurate
heady storm
That doesn't provide accurate info yeah.
real steppe
that vid was supposed to be a showcase
dull junco
So i need to test it myself to prove its awfull?
ashen warren
go ahead
hollow shell
Yeah that'd be nice
heady storm
Sure thing.
dull junco
I thought there were people for it
frank stratus
there are
ashen warren
you're the one making the suggestion
hollow shell
The people who are "for it" said that it was fine.
real steppe
Yes
frank stratus
and it's been proven over and over and that it's not awful
dull junco
Ok what do i need to prove it though
hollow shell
Kill times
dull junco
Imma do it tomorrow i think
hollow shell
versus SCal
dull junco
I hate scal
frank stratus
how you're using it, gear, killtimes, dps on the boss
ashen warren
...sigh
dull junco
I cant
ashen warren
i feel like this is a troll
frank stratus
then don't
dull junco
Im awfull against bullet hell scal
ashen warren
turn godmode on
dull junco
Give me yharon then
real steppe
You can turn Godmode I suppose, but just act that you're actually fighting her
dull junco
Thats why i ask why there arent people for this
ashen warren
there are
hollow shell
There are
frank stratus
there are
hollow shell
They said it was fine
fiery rapids
i'll just do it later tonight if this is still an issue
frank stratus
but none of them are gonna retest it because they already did and it was fine
novel belfry
Hey rover, since you apparently wanted my suggestion for a long while
dull junco
Plz yes, then this conversation is now over
@fiery rapids, send me later tomorrow the details, can you?
hollow shell
(btw not sure if you saw this, Rene. This is that guy who you keep linking)
ashen warren
bruh
fiery rapids
sure if i remember
real steppe
ah, makes sense
fiery rapids
i probably wont
real steppe
its like the blade staff - absolutely trash against dummies but somewhat good vs bosses as it has high defense penetration
ashen warren
it's like 99% of the weapons. dummy testing sucks and should never be used for testing/balance related stuff
dull junco
Still, he didnt keep in account of the speed and accuracy of the sniper for lategame, so even Ritto doesnt go in depth enough
ashen warren
i can't
dull junco
But its over
hollow shell
Okay I would be happy with this being over
ashen warren
night
real steppe
Goodbye
sleek turret
hey, the amalgam resemblance of fungal clump could be a good QoL change.
sleek turret
That's a good question.
Anyways, getting close to an enemy on Calamity is way to risky.
gleaming pumice
Oh yea he said that bc of zesty
sleek turret
The only class that can barely get close to a boss is Melee, but fails at this.
Most of the time you are going to shot, and sometimes you gotta True Melee.
gleaming pumice
sleek turret
And the part of "shooting" with a melee weapon gets obligated when you enter post-ml.
gleaming pumice
sleek turret
Its way more better test on a boss than a dummy with 0 defense.
sleek turret
Yeah.
novel belfry
amalgam thing
sleek turret
"Make the Deviantt from Fargo mod sell rare creature summons from Calamity"
That will decide Fargo's and not Calamity.
novel belfry
this channel had a discussion over that
tawny garden
@mighty knot the bot yeeted your innocent sugg, I brought it back several hours ago
it is somewhere in this channel
sleek turret
"Change or Add Weapons that Synergize with Certain DoT Debuffs"
This is kinda good, but most of bosses don't have an immunity for Ichor & Cursed Flames. Also, most of the bosses have an immunity for certain debuffs.
gleaming pumice
I like that idea
Doesnt plague reaper armor do smth like that
10% ranged dmg to those inflicted with plauge or smth
mighty knot
philo, it yeets suggestions that are in there for more than 24h
assuming you mean the deathray one
tawny garden
the real problem is, as Thomas said several times, that bosses are immune to pretty much everything
yep, I revived that deathray sugg through black magic
sleek turret
But that would be like boosting DoTs even more, and DoTs most of the time are only to do try to help the boss die slightly faster.
Or will be the same as equiping something that boosts DpS even more, in exchange of using certain weapons that would do more DoT.
novel belfry
honestly that "increase damage by placing DoT on enemy" suggestion of yours reminds me of the first real mechanic of FFXIV's Summoner job: making a damaging ability (Fester) more powerful by placing 2 different poison debuffs on the enemy.
it could work, but this seems more like a class-specific mechanic than anything
balmy jay
I feel like the whole spear-spin thing the frequency manipulator does makes no sense considering it's a rogue weapon, not melee
Or is that just me
Cause I plan on suggesting to remove it
ashen warren
...again?
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/465195069406707722/742523426111094827 start of convo about the same suggestion
hollow shell
Oh ffs
@left crag You need to provide kill times against SCal
Compared to other Exo ranged weapons
as evidence
left crag
Just compare the DPS vs something like the photovicerator, its staggering
ashen warren
also
Either increase this things DPS by like, 5 times
wtf do you want to make this as powerful as a post-scal weapon