rampart and aegis arent comparable
#suggestions-discussion
wooden lance
violet dagger
It can help a ton since on those 15 seconds you could:
Get touched by the boss for the rest of your hp
radiant meadow
They are both shields tho, hence the potential confusion
wooden lance
fair
hote gives you a flat 12.5hp/s regen increase courtesy of rare sand
that isnt subject to rev changes
radiant meadow
Oh ye, heartreach makes it home in now
wooden lance
does it not home in on its own
tacit agate
Oh I'm stupid I thought rampart had a dash mb
radiant meadow
Nope
wooden lance
yes, i remember that
i thought they just changed the elemental
full stop, no heartreach
regarding blood clot staff, does blood clot suck or is seabound stronk
because seabound feels like its meta for a long time
hollow shell
cobalt pewter
It's valid, might need one or two line breaks for better readability
But valid otherwise
ashen warren
i really dislike how calamity limits the player to a class
old one's army armor is useless with calamity :/
it got very great bonuses
cobalt pewter
I mean, it's strictly for summons, and rightfully so. Non-summoners can get a massive benefit with minions, but summoners barely got any help from non-summon class weapons
ashen warren
i disagree
cobalt pewter
ashen warren
summoners will always benefit the most from summoner stuff
cobalt pewter
Hence this suggestion
ashen warren
idk man
cobalt pewter
summoners will always benefit the most from summoner stuff
@ashen warren isn't that what I said? "Summoners barely got any help from non-summon class weapons"
ashen warren
i dislike being limited in a sandbox game
@ashen warren isn't that what I said? "Summoners barely got any help from non-summon class weapons"
hybrid summoner is a creative way to play the game, and very rewarding
pretty rewarding in the meaning of rewarding the player
cobalt pewter
My point in that sugg is to make the penalty severely more punishing for non-summoner using minions
cobalt pewter
Also I don't really get going half-n-half with summons
I get using one or two utility minions
cobalt pewter
??
ashen warren
everyone got their own play style
cobalt pewter
I'm just trying to improve from what Calamity has, which seems to target non-summoner multiclassing
ashen warren
forcing such gameplay ideology is pretty unhealthy for a mod as big as calamity
cobalt pewter
Plus devs like Ben already mentioned that multiclassing in Calamity is super strong
And they don't want that
ashen warren
that is pretty bad
ripe owl
multiclass
non-summoner
Bullshit
cobalt pewter
???
ripe owl
It has no logic
ashen warren
calamity really took something good out of vanilla
sad
multi classing is pretty fun
ripe owl
Multiclass should combine 3 classes (max amount)
ashen warren
not really
radiant meadow
Killing stuff twice as fast as intended isn't a good thing
cobalt pewter
Multiclassing with summon in vanilla works because pure summoner there is dogshit
Let's get real here
radiant meadow
Then play multiclass
cobalt pewter
Because it's what has been defined not only in Calamity, but also vanilla
radiant meadow
Multiclass is still very doable
ashen warren
so it is like pure summoner in vanilla now?
fossil finch
Then don't play Calamity or something
ripe owl
👍
fossil finch
At least not if you want to multiclass
ashen warren
that is not a valid point my dude
"if you don't like don't do" was never a good point to make in an argument
ripe owl
I'll definately say "yes"
ripe owl
That sucks
golden narwhal
Calamity encourages you to stick to one class, but multiclass is still very usable
ashen warren
nah
thorn orchid
It depends on every person
radiant meadow
Multiclass still works though
fossil finch
It's balancing, after all
With the extremely insane pds some summons have, not having any penaltys and being able to use another weapon with no problem, can be pretty OP
golden narwhal
O yea, forgot throws away fearmonger, astral, and mollusk armor
radiant meadow
You're free to build how you want
ashen warren
without the sweet sweet summons
radiant meadow
Are you complaining that cal tries to prevent severe Multiclass melt?
sand umbra
what sugg is this argument about again
ripe owl
O yea, forgot throws away fearmonger, astral, and mollusk armor
Wait. Fearmonger is a multiclass armor?
vital ore
i dont get it, if u dont like what the mod offers, while the vast majority does, what it shows, isnt that the mod is bad, it shows that the mod isnt for you
ashen warren
not very
golden narwhal
50%, yes
ripe owl
Ok
ashen warren
i never said calamity mod is bad
it is quite the opposite
i really like what the mod has to offer
radiant meadow
You sure seem to complain a lot about it
ashen warren
just don't agree with some stuff
vital ore
read what i wrote again alexaa
ashen warren
i know lily
thorn orchid
What don't you like?
vital ore
i didnt say u said it, im saying that by what you are seeking, its clear evidence its not the mod you seem to be seeking
thorn orchid
It's good for me
radiant meadow
You don't need to turn on the caps please
ripe owl
You don't need to turn on the caps please
Meme reference, so here's the caps
thorn orchid
If you use summons while you use other weapons it could ruin your dps
Because of immunity frames
cobalt pewter
@sand umbra latest one, Tom
ashen warren
i'm pretty sure most if not all calamity summons at least in hardmode skip immunity frames
radiant meadow
It varies per summon
thorn orchid
Yeah
ashen warren
mechanical worm summon ignores immunity frames in general
thorn orchid
I like summons while I'm exploring
ashen warren
same
sand umbra
well regardless of whether this argument's about the latest sugg or not, can we confirm if it's actually getting anywhere or if it's just the equivalent of one of my half-hour tangents
thorn orchid
mechanical worm summon ignores immunity frames in general
@alexaa#7828
Late game summon
vital ore
thorn orchid
Lol
ashen warren
seems reasonable
ashen warren
great
because it was ignoring them all
that is like 60 hits per second
might lag
but still op
thorn orchid
It's curious my summoner's proficiency is the best of all the other classes in my playthrough
ashen warren
do you afk a lot?
cobalt pewter
@sand umbra prolly the latter considering the advancement of the argument
thorn orchid
do you afk a lot?
@alexaa#7828
Not really
ashen warren
do you have afk farms?
radiant meadow
Thomas does have a point though
thorn orchid
do you have afk farms?
@ashen warren
Nope
radiant meadow
This has gone on a tangent long enough
ashen warren
weird
radiant meadow
This is still suggestions
sand umbra
thorn orchid
I agree
ashen warren
Bipolar suggestion is pretty good
hybrid armor for the win
not so much with the reason tho
radiant meadow
An eighth accessory isn't happening
subtle knoll
Master mode?
ashen warren
in 1.4
radiant meadow
Programming that in would be a massive amount of work
ashen warren
later
radiant meadow
For little payoff
subtle knoll
Alright my bad, I never thought how much work it would take
radiant meadow
That makes 7
subtle knoll
Cause to me it seems easy to code but it probably isn’t
radiant meadow
See, the seventh acc slot is already in vanilla code
It was just unused until Master Mode
subtle knoll
So does that mean there will be an eighth for the 1.4 update?
ashen warren
no
radiant meadow
Adding in an 8th will be working from the ground up
My guess is that you'll just have 7
subtle knoll
Ok
hollow shell
Celestial Onion will probably be non-functional in Master
ashen warren
yharon doesn't seem like a good place to put an 8th accessory slot
subtle knoll
Man I am 0 for 3 on these suggestions
radiant meadow
Probably just make it not drop
hollow shell
Could do, yeah
ashen warren
doesn't seem fair for master players
sly lynx
I worded my thing horrible...
hollow shell
Yeah I can't really tell what you're aiming for
ashen warren
no no i can see what you mean, it is just too open ended with no direct goal
hollow shell
Are you just saying that the post-Yharon2 tier isn't balanced well enough?
ashen warren
you're talking to sauce boy right?
sly lynx
well... yeah.
Basically what I'm saying is: there are only a few weapons per class that are incredibly good or viable for S.Cal.
I should've also said that the endgame weapons needed to be balanced better...
hollow shell
Your top line could definitely be worded in a way that's more specific to what you're talking about
When I first read it I thought you meant like, how you go through post-ML from ML to SCal, from a linearity standpoint
but currently it's actually pretty non-linear, you can fight Prov or DoG or Yharon first if you want
sly lynx
I mean still, you get what I mean by "earlier", right?
Anyways, I'm gonna turn in
night
golden narwhal
gn
ashen warren
goodnight
hollow shell
Make sure you edit your suggestion when you wake up @sly lynx
ashen warren
you know what
calamity get pretty strict progress wise late hardmode
and post moonlord
ashen warren
hollow shell
You don't even need to do the buffed Eclipse before Yharon2 anymore
You can literally go ML --> Dragonfolly --> Yharon1 --> Yharon2, if you want
You'd be fucking insane to do so but you have the freedom to
hollow shell
No :P
radiant meadow
Prolly not
radiant meadow
Not for yharon that is
radiant meadow
They are balanced to prov
hollow shell
Against Prov it's good cuz she has no contact damage
cobalt pewter
Also adding yet another slot is known as complicated, no?
cobalt pewter
Calamity used all of Vanilla's stable slots
radiant meadow
Can 8th slot be added to the don'ts
cobalt pewter
@radiant meadow yes please
hollow shell
We probably should add it to the Don'ts, yes
sand umbra
cry me a river
ashen warren
already did
sand umbra
8th slot is a fuck
the only reason 7th slot even functions is because the code for it exists in the base game; it simply goes unused in 90% of cases and was entirely so until Master just had to come along--
ashen warren
x3 times damage funny funny death
ashen warren
yeah i agree
vital ore
radiant meadow
Also if you had 8 slots for scal
Scal probably would be buffed to compensate
hollow shell
Added 8th slot to the Don'ts.
ashen warren
great
sand umbra
game ing
ashen warren
since master mode rewards will be in rev and death
sand umbra
now then, I shall return to ensuring there is literally no other evils-related sugg I can make before the finale sugg of this set
fossil finch
How do other mods manage to add more slots if it is that hard?
sand umbra
which I am...very conflicted about posting for various reasons and still need to write the reasoning for aaaaaaaaaaa
ashen warren
How do other mods manage to add more slots if it is that hard?
cheat sheet adds simple ones
radiant meadow
Wing slot took a fuck ton of work
ashen warren
wow
hollow shell
Cheat Sheet adds slots but there's no dye or vanity (I have no experience using them)
Wing Slot adds a slot but it's been buggy and very slowly becoming not buggy over time
dapper coral
How do other mods manage to add more slots if it is that hard?
they work really really hard
radiant meadow
And was quite buggy for the longest time
dapper coral
wing slot is iffy at best rn
ashen warren
buggy?
sand umbra
yeah Wing Slot has historically been terribly buggy
ashen warren
expected
sand umbra
and Cheat Sheet extra slots work beautifully but have no vanity or dye functionalities
ashen warren
gui editing is a bitch
radiant meadow
Not game breaking buggy at least
ashen warren
vital ore
its not just gui when it involves items tho
ashen warren
^
sand umbra
mind you, this is all discounting the fact some people won't even have room for an 8th slot on their screen
sand umbra
7-acc slot loadout already takes up a huge amount of space vertically
ashen warren
and you won't even see the 6th if you had the map on
sand umbra
as it is it can be difficult for smaller resolutions to fit all the necessary information in the screen
without e.g. toggling minimap off temporarily to make room for the acc slots
sand umbra
anywho I gotta draft up the reasoning for the evils finale sugg and see if there's anything else I need to address before it
cobalt pewter
Without disabling minimap
sand umbra
it's inevitably gonna be in a weird spot because it makes infinitely less sense if you try to pretend JE doesn't exist and it relates to a long-standing staple of Calamity's "both evils in one world" practice but we'll see if I can manage to pull it together
ashen warren
in 1.4 you can just buy evil seeds
sand umbra
yes, and that's the main thing
ashen warren
sadly it is only hardmode
sand umbra
1.4 allows alt evil seeds to be sold by the Dryad in a Hardmode Graveyard
ashen warren
boohoo
sand umbra
I am certain it is for the distinct and express purpose of Bestiary completion
ashen warren
you cant finish the bestiary in "for the worthy" seed btw
sand umbra
wait why
ashen warren
bunnies
dapper coral
i sense this may get longer than expected, so #general-talk for you
sand umbra
joke's oin you I have gentalk muted and also I need to continue drafting
dapper coral
alexaa please have this conversation somewhere else
sand umbra
there will be a potentially highly controversial suggestion from me in posting by sunrise, I can almost guarantee it
dapper coral
when's the end of the night for you?
sand umbra
for context it's about 1:30 AM for me right now
ashen warren
sure demik, thomas we can talk in general
hollow shell
Anyway
I've been meanin to mention
@keen drum You're missing the point of some of the wing stats. The reason why Demon Wings have better stats than other better wings is because they suck for flight. Having the superior non-flight stats gives them a reason to be used, because otherwise they're usually completely ignored cuz they're total shit.
Also don't diss on Bone Wing + Necro Armor
That's awesome
Big subversion of expectations to bring a Pre-HM armor back into relevancy
ashen warren
balanced wings yes
sand umbra
Also don't diss on Bone Wing + Necro Armor
That's awesome
Big subversion of expectations to bring a Pre-HM armor back into relevancy
Rover I want to agree with you
I really do
but Bone Wings still suck regardless
hollow shell
You can suggest they get buffed 
sand umbra
maybe once I'm done tearing my hair out over this finale evils sugg I'll toss a Bone Wings buff sugg out there
hollow shell
1.4 did indeed rebalance wings, so we may need to change some of our stats (when the time comes)
ashen warren
not really, early wings are still as bad
hollow shell
Damn 😔
sand umbra
Angel and Demon Wings really do still be garbage
ashen warren
leaf wings may need a buff for being in their same class
yeah they still pretty early
pixie and frost wings are worth going for now
hollow shell
While we wait for Mack
How's Santaclaus's suggestion?
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/699359022364491868/741699343832055929
cobalt pewter
That's what I actually had to improve dots for my own mod
ashen warren
not so much earlier
sand umbra
valid
hollow shell
(I didn't even know Gel Darts got moved to Bandit)
ashen warren
idk man
sand umbra
how am I the only one that remembers this happening 
ashen warren
25 gold seems like a fair price
hollow shell
Slick Cane, a very near-tier item whose entire function is generating money for you, costs 25 gold.
ashen warren
STONKS
sand umbra
as you said, the entire function of the item is to generate money
last I checked, Gel Darts do not generate money
hollow shell
My point being that Slick Cane should be more expensive than Gel Darts.
You'd expect it to be.
sand umbra
ah
radiant meadow
I just slapped on a price for the darts
I didn't really give much thought to economics
hollow shell
ah
sand umbra
it's all part of the Bandit's master plan
hollow shell
Makes this sugg even more valid
radiant meadow
I thought this is cheaper than monkey darts it's fine
sand umbra
you see, her real intention is to make you realize that Gel Darts are too expensive
so you give her the 25 gold for Slick Cane and then use it to generate money to give back to her to keep up your Gel Darts supply
without realizing that's what she wanted all along. the Bandit is now rich by doing absolutely nothing
tl;dr spend money to make money to spend more money. stonks
hollow shell
Capitalism.
[gif of Monopoly man dancing very fast]
sand umbra
at its finest
hollow shell
sand umbra
changing Truffle move-in requirements takes IL editing, I think
unless that one NPC housing requirements hook nobody cares about functions on GlobalNPC too
hollow shell
Well
We could just pull a Steampunker 
hollow shell
awoken
ashen warren
build the house above ground or eat shit
sand umbra
no as in he literally cannot take a house outside of a surface Mushroom biome
ashen warren
the truffle needs sun light
hollow shell
Ah I see
sand umbra
even if you have him there, attempting to place him in a normal house won't work
ashen warren
yea
hollow shell
m
So, would the suggestion be valid still? Even if it'd be a headache for programmers
hollow shell
Likely true
sand umbra
in completely unrelated news I have the evils theme finale sugg written up
...but I'm pretty sure it's entirely too long except the points I need to get across require that space to blossom
that and I don't know if I have the energy to defend myself in an argument in here at 2 in the morning
sand umbra
yes
the final world evils sugg in the set I'd written up
I completely expect an argument to break out because of what it entails
vital ore
🍿
ashen warren
i do not understand
sand umbra
you will in a minute
doing final proofreading on this draft reasoning and then it's time for me to perish
sand umbra
disclaimer: not many of those 12 hours were actually spent playing Terraria
hollow shell
(I've also been playing for like 8 hours but it crashed once or twice so)
sand umbra
now then
did a final runthrough of the reasoning on this one, and I think it's good. please at least try to remain civil with any feedback provided towards this sugg
I present to you, the suggestion that all of the other evil suggs I've made over the past week or so have been subtly (or perhaps not-so-subtly) building up to
hollow shell
(Yeah iunno what mod is doing it but whenever I 'Reload Mods' it just dies)
ashen warren
maybe just a tmodloader limit
ashen warren
what
sand umbra
it's over 2k
hollow shell
Could be memory, yeah
sand umbra
hollow shell
Ah RIP
ashen warren
F
sand umbra
I don't have enough room to make my case 
hollow shell
Gotta become concise
unkempt bolt
take screenshot of your suggestion and post it in posting 
tepid root
if its over 2k i dont think many people will bother actually reading it anyways
unkempt bolt
"man this is long, i wonder if the- ooh remove evil spread suggestion!"
tepid root
sand umbra
wut
unkempt bolt
pog
dapper coral
no he's not lol
sand umbra
I am most certainly not a dev
I KNEW IT, I KNEW PEOPLE STILL CONFUSED ME FOR A DEV
unkempt bolt
person*
dapper coral
just gamer patreon man
ashen warren
oh i
vital ore
dev??
ashen warren
am so fucking blind
dapper coral
lmao it happens
ashen warren
almost the same color
sand umbra
trust me when I say you're not the first person
dapper coral
or the last
sand umbra
and I have complete confidence you will not be the last
ashen warren
lmfao
unkempt bolt
as for the wings suggestion
hollow shell
I wonder what it would take for you to become a dev
sand umbra
...god, how fucking long did I make this 
unkempt bolt
it has a core idea, but it kinda sends it all over the place?
sand umbra
I knew all those tangents I went on would come back to bite me in the ass
I apparently suck at being concise
ashen warren
I wonder what it would take for you to become a dev
learning to code
and be active here
pale glacier
sand umbra
also I uh
I may end up just placing the extended reasoning in a doc and giving a tl;dr
vital ore
something tells me thomas might have skimmed the posting doc
sand umbra
even with word simplification and deletion the sugg I wanna post is still upwards of 3k chars 
I've made a terrible mistake
hollow shell
Ah
dapper coral
thomas
dapper coral
for your own sanity
please don't post this until morning
when you can reasonably explain it
unkempt bolt
i find it very hard to make a 2k+ character suggestion that doesn't break a don't
sand umbra
I can reasonably explain this, I know I can
ashen warren
or can you?
sand umbra
I have the reasoning written down, I just need to compress it to under 2k chars
ashen warren
just post it all
sand umbra
I can't
ashen warren
it will upload it as a .txt file
ashen warren
vital ore
unkempt bolt
good
ashen warren
this is not his suggestion as i know
ashen warren
i HOPE
unkempt bolt
idk how you'd make a 2k+ character suggestion about removing evil spread
unkempt bolt
no
ashen warren
wouldn't it be funny
unkempt bolt
no
ashen warren
sand umbra
would it be okay if I like
made a terribly abridged version of my reasoning and then put the fulll reasoning in a linked doc
ashen warren
YES
sand umbra
I don't think I can reasonably compress this to 2k chars
not without something getting lost in translation
sand umbra
give me
a couple of minutes
I am terribly sorry about the delay on this this was supposed to be all like really interesting and shit and then I remembered I suck at being concise
ashen warren
no problem bud
dapper coral
I am terribly sorry about the delay on this this was supposed to be all like really interesting and shit and then I remembered I suck at being concise :echsnap:
take your time bud
you gonna need it
dapper coral
seems fine to me
sand umbra
you don't need to spoilertag anymore btw
dapper coral
go ahead and stick it in there
sand umbra
also seems good
dapper coral
oh yeah, spoiler period is over
hollow shell
I big agree
vocal grotto
The hovercraft and drone AI should become less annoying less update.
But having it that way so that other enemies can spawn easier is a valid point.
ashen warren
YES
dapper coral
go for it, i guess
sand umbra
and now
a massive controversy spike in your area
I advise you to be careful
vital ore
or just add a lab turret or 3 to it
dapper coral
fun times are ahead
ripe owl
Also, i just understood a strange but smart and logic thing
limber ocean
last bit sounds kinda eh
the Fargo thing
but other than that it seems like a good sugg
fringe sky
quick question before I make a suggestion: By any chance will this change in changelog mean that you can't get reforges at all with stackable items, even if they're non-consumable?
8 - Fixed consumable rogue weapons getting modifiers. - Done
vanilla e.g.: light disc, revengance example: sky stabber
sand umbra
you're not supposed to be able to get modifiers on stackable items to begin with
and in vanilla you aren't
fringe sky
wdym by hard to code?
fringe sky
i mean, it's like that right now
sand umbra
anywho yeah uh
this was the big thing I was leading up to with all the evil suggs I'd been making over the past about a week
fringe sky
and I can get if the item can be consumed, but imo I'd feel like it would be good to keep how it works for non-con items like sky stabber and such
sand umbra
me when all 10 of my God's Paranoiae have different modifiers so I have to spend 19 years reforging them all to Flawless
fringe sky
if you get them in a stack then they'd cost the same as 1 ite
item*
actually, that gives me an idea
limber ocean
new sugg: make all reforges automatically give you the best modifier 
ashen warren
what if you could give the golin 10 plat and he will give you the best modifier
the price may vary between rarities
Tom you suggestion is very great, and i agree evil inslands should be more than that
limber ocean
I agree that they should receive some sort of rework
they sort of feel very slapped on
maybe they're a cool idea, but the execution leaves much to be desired
they're just a huge freebie
fringe sky
done
hollow shell
Piano, it's a bug 
fringe sky
yes but what if the bug became modified into a feature
fringe sky
my suggestion is for it to only relate to non-consumable stackables
sand umbra
what is this, a Bethesda conference
limber ocean
it sounds like a cool idea
but it also sounds like it can be a pain in the ass to code
fringe sky
so things that won't be consumed on use but is stackable
so like the glaive, sky stabber, etc.
not things like gel darts, rot balls, etc.
limber ocean
are those supposed to have modifiers, anyway?
because if they're not, it might be pretty likely that the sugg gets rejected
like they're probably balanced around not having mods
fringe sky
The bugfix only mentioned consumables but I'm assuming that was also meant to mean any stackable weapon
dapper coral
like they're probably balanced around not having mods
this is literally it
fringe sky
since i'm pretty sure it didn't work beforehand
dapper coral
the point is that they don't have modifiers
so adding modifiers would require assloads of balancing
robust lava
What happens if you split the stack, does each individual one have the prefix as well? What if you have two of the same weapon, but with different prefixes? You’d have to reroll the prefix until they’re the same to get them to stack
fringe sky
would it though?
limber ocean
yeah, that's what I was thinking
fringe sky
I don't think stackable noncon weapons are super common though right?
limber ocean
if the weapon is balanced around having X damage and then you slap Flawless on it
you're suddenly dealing like 20% more DPS than what's expected
limber ocean
going through every stackable weapon and balancing it around the possibility of it having Flawless would end up being an assload of work
and in the end it would probably end up being a nerf
edgy pagoda
Wulfrum furniture
limber ocean
unless you go through the work of reforging them to Flawless every time
edgy pagoda
And a miniboss
robust lava
Even if you ignore balance concerns, adding the modifiers would just seem like very unintuitive and buggy behaviour
limber ocean
don't get me wrong, I agree with the central idea, I just think it's rather unlikely for it to go through
sand umbra
wulfrum furniture yes
wulfrum miniboss read the don'ts doc
hollow shell
(I don't think that's disallowed actually)
hollow shell
Miniboss usually ain't included in that
edgy pagoda
It would be nice if maybe in hardmode, there.was a wulfrum mimic
hollow shell
(in the past Fab even approved of the idea of a Wulfrum miniboss)
(That was before the rework was even concepted though, so now it might seem unnecessary)
edgy pagoda
And maybe there could be an upgraded.version ofnwulfrum armor
True wulfrum or something
hollow shell
dapper coral
True wulfrum or something
thats probably going a bit far
limber ocean
omega wulfrum armor made out of wulfrum and shadowspec bars and it gives 300 defense and 2000% damage
how many don'ts did I commit?
hollow shell
Just two
limber ocean
shoot, I was aiming for 3 or 4
limber ocean
hollow shell
whole sedge
Yeah I could see how that could be good and bad, valid though
golden narwhal
I mean, it's kinda like mana
hollow shell
He does clarify "later in the game" in his sugg
It's not often that players start getting into rogue after pre-HM (and also happen to be players who don't know what stealth is)
golden narwhal
You'll learn the gist of stealth as you play rogue
hollow shell
s'decently intuitive too
You got a bar beneath you that goes up when you stand still, it glows when it's full, and when you use a weapon it does something cool and the bar empties
Doesn't need that much explanation every time
golden narwhal
So yea, good sugg
cobalt pewter
Yeah I really noticed when doing rogue for the first time
Then I'm kinda fed up with the description bloat when doing this stealth run
hollow shell
@umbral tendon Your suggestion was suggested yesterday.
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/741557851826421790
And yeah Feedza I have no idea why Onion is as cryptic as it is
tawny garden
aight what did I miss while I was asleep?
hollow shell
except yes I do
It's because Onion used to activate a difficulty mode and the tooltip was only slightly changed since those days.
cobalt pewter
Ah
Yeah that needs a change then
If I'm not using wiki, I'd probably throw the onion out of fear
real steppe
It's technically correct but yeah, "Will do something that cannot be reversed" is indeed vague and intimidating
dapper coral
It’s quite a lot of effort on the devs part though
hollow shell
@pastel terrace This is a Don't. Frequently suggested.
pastel terrace
Ah, my bad
hollow shell
How's Shipman's sugg?
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/699359022364491868/741728188572368908
dapper coral
I’ve never noticed them but apparently they’re an issue so sure
hollow shell
I was in the Acid Rain for 0.5 seconds and got fucked by leeches so I am now in agreement
dapper coral
vital ore
i agree, hate water leeches
one thing is if they had low hp, where you could kill them fast, but they have quite a big hp pool compared to their damage and the fact they stick to the character, which is often a problem
hollow shell
It would be a lot better if they dealt no contact damage and instead inflicted a DoT
But they do deal contact damage, which includes knockback
vital ore
imo i think the better solution would be to just make them deal dot damage as long as they were in contact, remove contact damage, as well as reduce their hp to 10% of what it currently is
hollow shell
(so, yes, what I said but also reduce HP)
vital ore
since their way of attack is annoying enough as is, and its a minor enemy that doesnt have any special drops other than the t1 weapon
i have to wonder tho, what dev came up with the idea of water leeches
and WHAT they were thinking doing that
hollow shell
You can blame the programmers instead, because the original description read as follows:
Somebody saw "drain" and didn't think DoT
hollow shell
(if anyone's on)
Mackeye's melee armor sugg valid?
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/699359022364491868/741743302721929347
cobalt pewter
Yeah valid
rose latch
why was this sent to voting
isn't this chaining
'this sort of continues the previous suggestion'
cobalt pewter
If I remember correctly, both suggs (that and the one above) was made by the same guy with similar idea, and they originally bundled their suggs into a single msg
I don't think I was there when it was thrown to voting tho
hollow shell
Heck, I missed that bit
That probably would be considered chaining yeah cuz it has the context of a sugg coming before
Not a huge issue cuz the sugg still stands on its own, but, ye I shoulda asked him to edit that out
((shoulda looked closer at the whole thing actually, a bit needlessly specific))
real steppe
When a sugg gets 240 stars, does a mod automatically gets pinged by the bot?
hollow shell
No
real steppe
programmers when
a death animation sounds hard to do
it's definitely a good thing to have when you can create the sprites
A lot of bosses don't even have post-mortem gore animations iirc
frail mantle
how hard it is depends on what kind of animation
if it's an animation in the sprite itself we can just bully some god animator like Iban to do it, but we're left with the disadvantage that when the boss is resprited the entire animation has to be redone
if it's an animation that's handled by the code and things like particles it's more convenient and easier to do, but might not look as good
tawny garden
Mobile sucks
I tried to read Thomas' reasoning doc, but it for some godforsaken reason has white letters on white background, which is 
hollow shell
m, s'supposed to be black bg
tawny garden
Ah, well that didn't work
hollow shell
(aight how bout now)
How's Mackeye's melee armor sugg?
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/699359022364491868/741743302721929347
I remember seeing a convo about it but I don't know what came of it
cobalt pewter
It's valid ig
hollow shell
(can't wait till ❗ happens and I don't gotta worry bout this. If it had a problem brought up during that convo, it woulda gotten reacted and we'd now know for sure if it was ready for approval or not)
(for now, w/e, it's fine)
gray nebula
ADMIN ADMIN
robust lava
Who to ping
gray nebula
@hollow shell HE BROKE THE DONTS
hollow shell
@ashen warren >:(
tawny garden
Uhh
hollow shell
m
robust lava
Ah ok then
hollow shell
@vocal grotto You free to warn someone?
gray nebula
hollow shell
Probably a mute
gray nebula
actual comedy genius
robust lava
Looks like that was in most channels, even #wiki-lookup lol
hollow shell
Cool well now that there's a crowd 
How's Izzy's sugg?
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/699359022364491868/741761504109396049
tawny garden
Ye, good
golden narwhal
It's good
hollow shell
aighty
@unreal viper When you get the chance, change "As" in your sugg's top line to "AS" or the full "Aquatic Scourge" to prevent confusion
keen drum
ayy i made it into voting
hollow shell
Ah, Mack
Did you see my ping about your wing sugg
hollow shell
(You gonna edit your sugg or, what do you plan on doin?)
keen drum
yeah i was planning to do that in a sec
hollow shell
aighty
keen drum
i meant tbf i did put the part about demon wings in the sugg
ill probably remove the part about the frost wings tho
hollow shell
I see, I didn't realize the top part of the suggestion was you being in support of em
keen drum
the bone wings are so rare, 1/450, and they have worse flighttime then the dev wings
which can be quite easily farmed w/ destroyer armageddon
ill alter the frost wings tho, i agree they are quite good
i explained my thinking for the frost wings a bit more. also, i wasnt thinking for the frost wing buff to be close to demon wings. i was thinking more around 5% damage and ~3% crit chance
instead of 2% and 1%, since that makes pretty much 0 difference whatsoever
at least 5% would be the worst of its class in that aspect, but still be noticeable
if there are any major issues you see, feel free to @ me, and ty for the feedback
hollow shell
aight
(RIP Bone Armor still tho)
cobalt pewter
Tbh if bone wings has a bit less stats and gets armor crunch when using bone armor, it might be p good
But idk
hollow shell
Do we think Mack's sugg is fine for approval now?
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/699359022364491868/741696964848124027
golden narwhal
Seems alright
pine star
Seems fine
hollow shell
Aight
I Hate Sand's good too?
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/699359022364491868/741774806260908162
golden narwhal
Ye
tawny garden
Yes
hollow shell
Cool
@raven moon The wording in your suggestion could be a bit less aggressive, especially the "quite dumb" at the end
How's Zandorum's sugg?
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/699359022364491868/741795306789797928
golden narwhal
Think it's find; I think this might apply to dank staff too, so that could be added as well since they're basically the same (might be mistaken tho)
cobalt pewter
What's up with the last sugg?
hollow scaffold
for building i think like laboratory screen but it combines into 1 big screen would be awesome
cobalt pewter
You might want to follow the format that other suggs use
scenic crypt
He meant like to combine these screens
cobalt pewter
Also you need a MUCH stronger reason to add a Lab Screen (if that even exists atm)
scenic crypt
cobalt pewter
Ohh
hollow shell
You should also try to think of a reason more substantial than "it would be awesome"
cobalt pewter
Yeah, you need a proper reason and formatting
scenic crypt
hes new sry doesnt know the format yet
hollow scaffold
yeah
cobalt pewter
Well there loads of sugg right above ya with the formatting
hollow shell
(ignore the one with the google doc :P)
hollow scaffold
well i would really like to see this idea in the game and for building
cobalt pewter
The doc one can be ignored yes, just follow those in voting or posting
hollow shell
m
@wild fiber For your Blood Clot sugg, is Dank Staff the same?
If so, you may want to add it to your suggestion.
worthy fiber
Dank Staff has tons more range in comparison to Blood Clot
no drawback either afaik
hollow shell
Their behaviors are different?
worthy fiber
Are they? Don't they latch on and just deal damage?
distant gyro
they are different
hollow shell
(Dank Staff isn't big sprite anymore)
distant gyro
but not a lot different
worthy fiber
oh yeah it's tinier now
Blood Clot's range is still miserably small in comparison either ways
ashen warren
there is already a better taxes mod
polar grove
i think this suggestion is fine
also "another mod already does that" isnt valid feedback
unless its like them suggesting something that would actually fit better in another content mod
tawny garden
Yea, the mod exists
And it even supports calamity
And thorium
And feedback can't be invalid
Feedback can be useless, yes
But not invalid
hollow shell
I'd argue that "This is a Don't" is invalid feedback when the suggestion in question is not, in fact, a Don't
Incorrect feedback
sly lynx
huh
tawny garden
It's not a don't, yea
Just seems weird that calamity would subsume other smaller mods
hollow shell
Anyway yeah Tax Collector buff would be nice
sly lynx
so i edited my suggestion to try and word it a little better.
hollow shell
Your top line is unchanged though
sly lynx
I didn't find that it needed that changing, and I had no idea what to put there instead.
hollow shell
I explained last night that "free" could be interpreted as linearity vs nonlinearity
as in the order you fight bosses in
"Improve the balancing in Post Moon-Lord Calamity so that you're not restricted to such a limited set of options"
how about that?
sly lynx
huh.
hollow shell
You can just use that directly if you want, idc
sly lynx
I reedited it.
hollow shell
No I meant replace your top line with that
sly lynx
alright, ty dude
hollow shell
Thanks
How's Cjac's suggestion?
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/699359022364491868/741807770352746558
Dom doubted its ability to cause lag. Can anyone else attest to performance issues with the new anim?
cobalt pewter
I noticed slight fps drops, but it's not too crazy for me
violet dagger
I don't think it'll lag me
pale glacier
The suggestion is fine
We don't really know how specific the problem is
or how many people face that problem
but the suggestion itself is fine
tawny garden
Yea, sugg's good
hollow shell
Hm, alright
How's Mackeye's reforge sugg?
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/699359022364491868/741814871993221190
ashen warren
very good
cobalt pewter
Summoner should have a new set of modifiers like whst rogue got
But yes, that is valid
ashen warren
yea
radiant meadow
Summoner doesn't have enough things to modify imo for unique reforges
but it could be done
tawny garden
I think the sugg could be rewritten
"Give summon weapons a set of their own unique modifiers"
hollow shell
It is interesting that he only focuses on the best reforge
Only mentioning other reforges in the last sentence
tawny garden
So the sugg could be more generally about modifiers
And a "best modifier" can't exist without other ones that are worse
((Fucking piece of shit internet doesn't properly work for me, aarghh))
@keen drum read the above
Also, it's called a "modifier", not a "reforge"
keen drum
yeah ik, a mod said that they have a fixed 4%
that cant be altered
i also edited the post
keen drum
cool
tawny garden
But iirc summons have a fixed 0%
tawny garden
But don't quote me on that
floral jewel
Hm so how those whips with crit tag damage work?
distant gyro
they have 4% crit
keen drum
~.~
tawny garden
Ah, good
distant gyro
but can't be changed via any means
tawny garden
Sry
distant gyro
so your modifiers still won't affect it
keen drum
yeah
tawny garden
(Whips are just melee weapons with a summon damage type btw)
floral jewel
But the tag crit let the minions deal the crit damage right not the whip itself
radiant meadow
the problem I see with the suggestion mainly is that they want bootleg magic modifiers except not crit boosts and higher damage boosts
which is not very unique in a sense to me
hollow shell
It's better than current.
radiant meadow
It's hard to see how making unique ones would be better overall than just using magic modifiers
pale glacier
Maybe the modifier could reduce the minion slot the summon takes
By like 1/4
Or something small
tawny garden
That's kinda op also
pale glacier
Better than what we have though
radiant meadow
stuff like saros would completely ignore that
hollow shell
The suggestion that Mack already made?
tawny garden
Better to ask mack to alter his
hollow shell
Probably better to exclude it actually so that the devs don't "nope" it
tawny garden
m
pale glacier
I meant the specific suggestion that makes the summons take less minion slots
But yea Mack could just add it to his suggestion
void kelp
#suggestions-voting message this needs to get to 240 faster >:((( acidwood furniture sounds really aesthetic
tawny garden
Lol
summer axle
Pls fix astrum dues he's so broken
tawny garden
Sugg advertising by a mod
hollow shell
Gonna need to be more specific Raxel
radiant meadow
that's more reason to yell at spider
robust lava
If there’s any sugg that needs to be advertised, it’s rover’s ❗️sugg
cobalt pewter
yes
radiant meadow
but cease advertising altogether iirc
ashen warren
Thanks spider...
keen drum
alr so what should i change?
oh the minion slot thing?
i was wondering about adding that but didnt know if itd work
i feel most people wouldnt like that much
i was wondering about minion speed but thats hard to code in as well so i decided to exclude it
unfortunately many summoner changes are kind of wack to edit for every weapon
radiant meadow
minion speed is hardcoded per minion
keen drum
yeah thats why i didnt include it
radiant meadow
so it wouldn't affect other modded minions
keen drum
or at least i edited it out
radiant meadow
and it would only affect vanilla minions if we rewrote their AIs
keen drum
would the minion slot reduction work?
even then it seems kind of weird
Maybe the modifier could reduce the minion slot the summon takes
radiant meadow
it would likely break with certain summons, it would definitely mess with summoner's association support
keen drum
alr
radiant meadow
and it straight up wouldn't work with summons like saros
keen drum
i just wanted unique modifiers, since just using mage's seems weird
even if you cant change most properties
i wonder if minion size would work?
for minions that ram into enemies
idk
radiant meadow
minion size is a potential thing to adjust perhaps
although
abandoned slime staff wouldn't be affected, I know that much
because it does it's scaling separately
radiant meadow
and minion size changes might look weird with mechworm and stardust dragon
keen drum
true
radiant meadow
but it is more reasonable than reducing minion slot count
keen drum
ill add that then
ancient crow
ok the onion sugg is definitely something i support
i've seen more than one youtuber refuse to use it because they think it'll do something bad
balmy jay
I think the crate potion effect on the supreme angler tackle bag should be toggleable by visibility
As sometimes you don't want to catch crates
i.e. when fishing for gravity normalizer/shadow potions
radiant meadow
then using alluring bait instead?
since that is specifically for potion fish catching iirc
balmy jay
hm
Ah
Didn't know that existed
Still, the high-test fishing line and tackle box effect are pretty nice
And alluring bait doesn't include that
radiant meadow
quickly beat up DS to make an angler tackle bag
balmy jay
I already have the supreme tackle bag
hollow shell
Wait, I thought there already was a crate potion effect toggle
balmy jay
Is there?
radiant meadow
there isn't
balmy jay
It doesn't say so on the tooltip
radiant meadow
it's a separate effect from crate potion, too
balmy jay
Also the sonar potion effect on supreme bag
But that isn't as big a deal
Since sonar potions exist normally
ashen warren
I do agree, but later on in the game money comes by so easily that he really wouldn't matter
keen drum
like yeah you can farm destroyer armageddon for a ton of plat, i just wanted a passive way of making money
imo after yharon 10 gold -> 10 plat
which honestly is near nothing at that point
and it can scale over the game
balmy jay
Do you think giving blazing star autofire would make it too powerful?
tawny garden
Make it Point Directly at the Player
what does that mean?
balmy jay
Because it's really weird as a hardmode wep without autofire
ashen warren
Maybe like brimstone elementals laser?
mighty knot
that...shouldn't have to happen
sinful steeple
Don't the death rays always start somewhere relative to the player and move counter-clockwise afterwards, meaning that it being like Brimmy's laser telegraph wouldn't work?
mighty knot
why wouldn't it
sinful steeple
Because the death ray is aimed away from the player and then turns towards the player
mighty knot
...
the idea is that it aims directly at the player and doesn't move
that's what I say in the suggestion
sinful steeple
Yeah but the current laser is fine as is- the only problem is that sometimes it can be fired when you don't have room to get out of the way which iirc is fixed by Calamity in some way
Also you're always moving right or left in the ML fight so if it was just directly the same as Brimmy's laser wouldn't it be kinda easy to dodge
mighty knot
doesn't matter if it's particularly easy to dodge, there are six things attacking you in that fight
and as far as I can tell by fighting the boss and looking on the wiki, it's not changed
sinful steeple
And I don't get the point about how you might be too far away to know the attack is coming before it hits you due to the nature of the attack, it isn't aimed at the player so the attack starting is essentially a second telegraph
mighty knot
but if you're too far away, it moves too fast
sinful steeple
I just tested and at max range they still move very slow
ashen warren
They move sorta slow but thats partly because my game slows down
sinful steeple
ML's death ray appears faster and can be dodged with on tier wings and even the UFO
dapper coral
thoughts on sandvich's sugg? https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/699359022364491868/741790374523306055
it's a touch aggressive, which they've been pinged about, but it's not invalid
smoky wagon
Did they respond at all
Pretty sure auric furniture has been suggested a billion times anyway
tawny garden
just Sandvich is like that