m ok this is gettin a bit condescending
#suggestions-discussion
hollow shell
golden narwhal
(Side note from ... this, sugg about to be void-yeeted)
sand umbra
why is this argument
hollow shell
Thanks Piano
sand umbra
why in the name of Christ have you people been arguing for ten minutes over a picture
dapper coral
don't worry about it, thomas
cobalt pewter
It happens Tom
fringe sky
thoughts on them btw?
cobalt pewter
It happens
hollow shell
idk let's fucking stop
dapper coral
mm
ashen warren
FullyVoided i disagree with you, the point of this channel is arguing about every possible flaw or positivity in a suggestion
hollow shell
Your suggestions are fine Piano
blazing dome
i apologize to mods if im inciting more toxicity. this is just starting to get on my nerves, so im trying my damnest to explain in the simplest terms how things works
dapper coral
we can move on now, now that the deed is done
unkempt bolt
mercenary’s sugg gets yeeted relatively soon
ashen warren
i do not really understand how in any means that was toxic
fringe sky
oh cool i guess third time's the charm then 😛
unkempt bolt
30 minutes or so
hollow shell
This is true
blazing dome
hmmm
hollow shell
sand umbra
seems good
dapper coral
seems fine to me, although the number of ellipses is concerning
in a grammar-fiend way
ashen warren
seems cool with me
blazing dome
it seems i need to get the textbook definition of constructive criticism.
unkempt bolt
yeah not sure why periods aren’t used normally
ashen warren
staff was this by any means annoying to you?
unkempt bolt
but what the suggestion is trying to say seems good to me
ashen warren
sorry if it was
hollow shell
It was indeed annoying
unkempt bolt
i feel like i’ve seen a similar suggestion before
violet dagger
The sugg is good
hollow shell
Yeah something similar has been sugg'd before
ashen warren
i am very sorry about that
fringe sky
wait which one, mine or merc
unkempt bolt
merc
violet dagger
i don't really care if they get nerfed since I just used ultimate peaceful from luiafk
hollow shell
Thanks for the apology
Next time try to be less resistant to feedback
unkempt bolt
false information
dapper coral
please just try to not be so stubborn in the future when multiple people are telling you to add something to your sugg
and hopefully we won't have to have this issue again
unkempt bolt
calamity fishing starts well before post-ML
ashen warren
but i am very concerned if i was by any means toxic towards anyone here
hollow shell
I think he means that's when the vanilla fishing content stops
unkempt bolt
which is correct
hollow shell
which, isn't really true
I think it stops before Plantera
unkempt bolt
yeah that’s fair
sand umbra
thing is, there ain't a whole lot of Calamity fishing content exclusive to post-ML
unkempt bolt
could definitely be conveyed better
sand umbra
sure, you get new fishing rods, but like
hollow shell
@mortal bison The lil tidbit of "post-moon lord (calamity fishing starts)" is confusing
(I have your suggestion saved. Let me know when you want to repost.)
sand umbra
there aren't a whole lot of new catches
just new rods.
and also Bloodfins but shut up nobody fishes for healing potions or any derivatives anyone who says otherwise is clearly lying
unkempt bolt
i’ve suggested something related to that before
radiant meadow
At least I fixed the healing priority bug with those
radiant meadow
Mushrooms or any healing pot really had priority over bloodfins with quick heal
sand umbra
what the fuck
radiant meadow
This also applied to hadal stew, grape beer, and margarita
dapper coral
oh yeah, that was a thing
radiant meadow
We had a weird roundabout fix
unkempt bolt
piano’s oldest sugg breaks the removed content don’t
radiant meadow
So it would work with quick buff and mana properly
sand umbra
I see
dapper coral
the discussion bout the rusted keys was resolved anyways, right?
unkempt bolt
your oldest one about rusted lockpick
dapper coral
that it was unnecessary because you can craft em?
sand umbra
you can craft everything you can find in Rusty Chests with the power of Acid Rain
dapper coral
do you mind if i get rid of that one, piano?
fringe sky
don't mind at all
sand umbra
so that's pretty nifty I would say
dapper coral
alrighty
fringe sky
but probably it would be a good idea to maybe keep it in tabs for bugs in terms of old block textures
unless that's the standard in regards to removed tiles
golden narwhal
This is fixed?
dapper coral
usually things don't get removed, especially worldgen things
fringe sky
yeah
dapper coral
but it was rectified in form of a changed crafting recipe so it was alright
fringe sky
it carried me into beating skeletron lol
dapper coral
so it's not a common occurrence by any stretch
unkempt bolt
turbulance sugg seems fine, kinda hard to argue with
unkempt bolt
no
golden narwhal
There are more weapons than turbulence that can pierce blocks
manic obsidian
I've updated and am still getting very high dps?
manic obsidian
Never mind then
golden narwhal
First thing coming to mind is storm surge
hollow shell
Yeah it's for the upcoming update
fringe sky
yeah .002 isn't out yet
sand umbra
wasn't Turbulance phasing through blocks already addressed
foggy plover
ye
hollow shell
Cool
unkempt bolt
well if it’s fixed
ashen warren
cool
hollow shell
I guess I'll delete the suggestion
unkempt bolt
off to the bin
hollow shell
How's Quanta's mimic loot sugg
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/699359022364491868/741257538561114172
dapper coral
sure
unkempt bolt
perfectly useless
sand umbra
buffing a Mimic drop means buffing all of its upgrades as well
golden narwhal
drops, not stops
unkempt bolt
biome mimics
sand umbra
both, apparently
dapper coral
buffing a Mimic drop means buffing all of its upgrades as well
mm
that would probably require some balancing
ashen warren
a lot
unkempt bolt
sugg focuses on biome, but pertains to both
sand umbra
sure is a shame that every normal Mimic drop is used in something, ain't it
ashen warren
do calamity biomes have mimics?
sand umbra
:v
ashen warren
like astral biome
unkempt bolt
no they don’t
ashen warren
MY IDEA
hollow shell
Oh I didn't even realize you were talking about biome mimic drops
I don't often see Mimics and Biome Mimics conflated together
weirdly enough
unkempt bolt
might want to specify since regular mimic loot is fine enough
sand umbra
regular Mimic drops do not need to be buffed
because effect inheritance is a right bastard
dapper coral
which biome mimic drops are used in stuff? the only ones i can think of are daedalus and dart pistol
sand umbra
what
fringe sky
btw it's getting late for me so I might not be around once you get to my suggestions
1am 😦
sand umbra
not staying up until the sun gets up? weakling
hollow shell
^ alexaa in real
golden narwhal
Caps lock moments (maybe)
ashen warren
yeeee
sand umbra
"I shall now: screm"
hollow idol
hollow shell
I'm a little confused by the first half of your reason
What does that have to do with adding a biome mimic?
unkempt bolt
how will biome mimic make people explore underground
dapper coral
mm, it seems a bit discontinuous
sand umbra
Underground Astral Infection does not need its own Biome Mimic
what it needs is other actually interesting content
ashen warren
how will biome mimic make people explore underground
@unkempt bolt astral souls DUUUUH
hollow shell
I can see why it'd encourage underground exploration
sand umbra
not just rehashed variants of existing content
hollow shell
because, uncommon spawn
unkempt bolt
is it a duh when you don’t mention that at all
don’t leave things to interpretation
ashen warren
i mean they can spawn normally
like other biome mimics
astral biome has its own fishing weapons already right?
unkempt bolt
yeah gacruxian mollusk
hollow shell
Indeed
sand umbra
two, actually
ashen warren
great so no
not just rehashed variants of existing content
sand umbra
Gacruxian Mollusk and Polaris Parrotfish
hollow shell
That's not what he means alexaa...
sand umbra
along with an accessory and various bait obtained through Astral fishing
dapper coral
I can see why it'd encourage underground exploration
the issue is, is there anything to explore atm? does astral spawn on worldgen now? because i can't see how if it spawns on hardmode then there will be guaranteed underground
unkempt bolt
either mentioning astral souls or removing the underground part of the sugg would be good
ashen warren
same with hardmode biomes in vanilla
unkempt bolt
because there’s no correlation otherwise
hollow shell
Well yeah it won't really be exploration with the intent of looking for ores/blocks
But, looking for biome mimics
unkempt bolt
astral souls aren’t my idea lul
ashen warren
and souls
unkempt bolt
apparently it’s a duh
sand umbra
.
ashen warren
and fishing
sand umbra
the Astral Infection
is a Hardmode biome
ashen warren
yes
hollow shell
Exploring for enemies isn't as interesting but it would be better than current
sand umbra
it literally does not exist until Hardmode and already possesses a distinct crafting material
dapper coral
where did astral souls come from? and yes, what thomas said ^
ashen warren
from fishing
hollow shell
I do not think Astral Souls are a good idea at all
unkempt bolt
what would they even be called
ashen warren
okay keys come from fishing now
sand umbra
"but Thomas the Hallow--"
has the exact same problem
hollow shell
We already have Stardust and people would complain about it being too similar to vanilla
edgy sundial
astral souls are a terrible idea, especially if they're made exclusively in service of making astral mimics a thing
sand umbra
vanilla has a terrible fucking problem with making 500 materials, 2 of which are relevant, for every single biome
ashen warren
eh
ancient crow
trapper bulb
sand umbra
souls of night/light are the epitome of "this material could've just been replaced with something else"
ashen warren
that is subjective
hollow shell
Thomas has a lot of opinions, you see
unkempt bolt
and irrelevant to the suggestion
ashen warren
ikr
unkempt bolt
since astral souls are no
ashen warren
but i like his ideas
unkempt bolt
if the next sugg is “add astral souls” imma shit my britches
ashen warren
astrals souls maybe too unoriginal
violet dagger
Anyways astral souls could easily be replaced with maybe Titan hearts or a large amount of stardust
ashen warren
keys from fishing?
hollow shell
Anyway I dunno if you answered this
I'm a little confused by the first half of your reason
What does that have to do with adding a biome mimic?
sand umbra
I have
very strong feelings on a lot of these subjects. most are better explained elsewhere
Quanta be out here subtly reminding me to not go on hourlong rants
thanks for that
ashen warren
rover you see it would make all hardmode biome in the same level of attraction
which is pretty healthy for more content to the biome
edgy sundial
jungle mimic says not quite
unkempt bolt
ocean mimic also disagrees
edgy sundial
sky, space, forest, and desert mimics would also like a word with you
hollow shell
No, Jungle Mimics an unimplemented thing in vanilla.
unkempt bolt
mfw corruption is a hardmode biome
ashen warren
it get overhauled in hardmode
edgy sundial
i'm pretty sure corruption is around prehardmode
ashen warren
and spreads like hallowed
unkempt bolt
jungle has two bosses in hardmode
ashen warren
so we call them infection biomes?
hollow shell
Also, in your reason, you don't say something along the lines of "but the Astral Biome is missing something that is found in other Hardmode biomes: a Biome Mimic.", which would make the first half of your reason make more sense.
The sentence just kinda runs on from 'every biome has quirks' to 'nobody bothers exploring underground astral', its kinda hard to understand
whole sedge
Yeah what rover said would make it better
edgy sundial
so what's this you were saying about fishing up the cosmic car keys alexaa? i still don't get where that fits in
unkempt bolt
the suggestion still has no reason to have the underground part
linking it to the rest of the sugg or removing it would be best
hollow shell
I think it'd be good to keep.
Astral Mimic would encourage staying in the underground portion of the biome more
But yes the line needs to be less awkwardly shoved in
unkempt bolt
“every hardmode biome has its own little quirks, like fished weapons and special loot, astral biome has some of that and it will put it another step closer to a usefull biome”
why is this mentioned if it immediately says it’s the same as the others
blazing dome
while i would like to contribute, i play with evil begone so
unkempt bolt
helpful
fringe sky
last call before i go to bed, any discussions needed regarding the suggestions i posted?
fringe sky
alright
dapper coral
gn for now Piano
radiant meadow
I swear to god
Was checking astral mimic suggs to see if it was a blue check and the last one was in February
ashen warren
i expect something like that to be suggested a lot
unreal viper
Bruh
radiant meadow
Was March really a good cutoff date? 
hollow shell
Yes :P
April/May mighta been better considering that's when the sugg system rework happened
But, I was impatient and wanted to move it along with the star raising
At least now there are no SIS's within the bluecheck cutoff
radiant meadow
5 months feels so short
hollow shell
Are you scrolling back to suggs in the dev server from 5 months ago
radiant meadow
No
hollow shell
There ya go 
radiant meadow
I just did a quick look in voting
Because I remembered an astral mimic sugg
Although
hollow shell
I as well
radiant meadow
There was a time I scrolled back like a year
When I was bored and looking for things to do
hollow shell
ah that's good to hear actually, lol
ashen warren
is my suggestion any better now?
hollow shell
Reason is more cohesive now, yes.
I still think it's a bit sparse though
ashen warren
there isn't much to say when looking at the bigger picture
hollow shell
so uh Quanta's sugg was fine, right?
tawny garden
yea
you can get zen potions as soon as you kill plantera, which is were the real game starts.
"which is were the real game starts" is a bold statement, it prolly should be left out
whole sedge
Yeah that's what I would say also, really doesn't help your reason at all and is pretty unnecessary 
unkempt bolt
an argument could be made that zen potions are most useful in the stages of the game after plantera
tawny garden
also, making some enemies immune... it is definitely possible in a sense that spawnrates of some, but not all enemies could be decreased, but it would take an immense amount of effort
unkempt bolt
since you don't go deep into the abyss before that point, along with other examples
so something more along those lines would be better i feel instead of outright saying "where the real game starts"
the issue with a flat nerf to how zen potion functions is that like
you're meant to expect little to no enemy spawns when it's active
because it's meant for times when you really don't want to see enemies, like when building
maybe making it less/ineffective in the abyss could be a potential solution
but i have no clue how feasible that is
waxen pine
considering holy wrath disables wrath pot’s effect i could see it being feasible perhaps
tawny garden
that's not unprecedented to make smth ineffective in the abyss, setting aside the coding effort
it could be made so that the buff works unless you're in the abyss
unkempt bolt
yeah i like that idea
fixes the issue without making the zen pot any worse for what it's supposed to do
tawny garden
and that's not hard to do afaik
unkempt bolt
does the abyss have a debuff that's afflicted to you constantly?
cobalt pewter
Not that I know of
tawny garden
you can just check if the player is in the abyss or not
unkempt bolt
yeah that's true
tawny garden
smth along the lines of Player.inAbyss
hollow shell
(there is indeed something to that effect yes)
unkempt bolt
maybe it'd work similar to how warmth/obbyskin affects space snow and hell, except the opposite idk
hollow shell
Wait
Wasn't there already some item like Zen Potion (or even the item itself) which says "Reduced effect in the Abyss"?
unkempt bolt
doesnt the gills potion do that
or does it not mention that
wait
yeah
"Zen Potion's effectiveness is reduced in the Abyss."
according to the wiki
interesting
hollow shell
Coulda sworn it was in the tooltip
tawny garden
lol
hollow shell
Lemme go see what the numbers are in the source, and add it to the page
tawny garden
clearly that ain't working
unkempt bolt
not well enough at least
unkempt bolt
i mean i don't know how many attempts this person had before they got to the bottom without being accosted
so maybe it's more of a possible but improbable thing
shouldn't happen regardless but it is all rng
dapper coral
(are we back to alexaa's thingy again?)
unkempt bolt
you bet!
dapper coral
kewl
cobalt pewter
haha yes
tawny garden
(yea, I kinda dragged us there, sry)
unkempt bolt
meh sugg discussion discussing suggs
dapper coral
lol, as long as it's civilized discussion it's fine
hollow shell
.... huh
I think that wiki note isn't true anymore.
It might've gotten removed when Zen & Zerg were nerfed
unkempt bolt
now that's a twist
hopping back to the mimic thing
"most biomes in hardmode get their... and mimics"
pretty sure they dont
there's the 3 biome mimics, and the two biome specific regular mimic variants
hollow shell
(and Shadow Mimics but they aren't special)
unkempt bolt
oh that was included in the two mimic variants
hollow shell
I see
unkempt bolt
what's the one that isn't shadow or ice
tawny garden
there's also a jungle mimic, but shh
tawny garden
[[Mimics]]
unkempt bolt
oh yeah i guess
tawny garden
[[tgc:Mimics]]
red stormBOT
tawny garden
wooden, gold and shadow are functionally the same
unkempt bolt
so theres only 4 biome-specific mimics functionally
out of the 12 or so biomes in vanilla
so not "most biomes"
hollow shell
I mean
I guess it can be argued that the Astral biome suppresses even normal mimic spawns
unkempt bolt
i understand what they're trying to say i think
but it's worded in a very strange way that definitely isn't conducive to that type of idea
more things to do in the astral infection is definitely a good point
but the first bit could definitely be reworded to be more concise and straightforward
hollow shell
(I think being concise is the least of his worries)
unkempt bolt
if adding more things to do in the astral infection is the focus
i don't see how an astral mimic is anywhere near the best way to do so
you'd chill in there, kill the mimic a couple times for whatever you want, done
sure its like 15 minutes you wouldn't otherwise spend in the biome but
probably better ways
cobalt pewter
It's valid yes
dapper coral
sure
tawny garden
bluecheck iirc
dapper coral
^
heady storm
It's very valid indeed.
hollow shell
Is it a bluecheck?
heady storm
@tawny garden confirmation on this?
tawny garden
cobalt pewter
Oof rejected
tawny garden
it was denied
hollow shell
But, that's fine
dapper coral
still made it to dev ig
cobalt pewter
I guess influx's is not that specific, as the classless weapon can be anything with that one
dapper coral
although, aren't cursed flames and ichor functionally identical in rev or something?
or are they just similar
hollow shell
They are less identical now
DR reduction was removed from Ichor but kept on Cursed Inferno
So now Ichor is only defense
and CI isn't useless
hollow shell
cobalt pewter
Ah
It's the 99% DR to prevent piercing weapons to decimate worm bosses on the spawnpoint
Or is it 99.99?
dapper coral
so like the thing that destroyer gets for 8 seconds
cobalt pewter
Either way, 1 dmg, or 2 on crit
hollow shell
ye you could add that to the sugg
cobalt pewter
@dapper coral yeah, but now that I think about it, Deus' should be shorter in general
But ig I'll just amend my current sugg
dapper coral
sure
real steppe
The shrines suggestion now has 241 stars, nice
hollow shell
Nice, one of the first to actually hit the req, lol
dapper coral
yay
real steppe
Only the best of the best gets approved now
dapper coral
with growing membership, people continuously have more and more suggs for the mod
gotta weed em out as we grow
and this is basically a great way to do it
real steppe
still wondering how my suggestion got more likes than Rover's QoL sugg
If I could have a power to "send a sugg to dev server without 240 stars", I'll give it to Rover's
It will make his life easier and will seriously improve communication
hollow shell
I can understand why some people wouldn't vote for the ❗ sugg
I have to assume a lot of the people starring in #suggestions-voting actually have #suggestions-posting muted, so that they see only the good ones
dapper coral
that's likely, yeah
cobalt pewter
Alright sugg amended
Had to change to data because wifi was borked and I was confused for a straight minute why didn't I see my edits
cobalt pewter
Thankies
hollow shell
(one last one for me)
How's Sauceboi's?
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/699359022364491868/741371304867004530
dapper coral
Not much reasoning as to why specifically an EoC weapon
Perhaps they could say something along the lines of, “following the trend of eye-themed summons”
heady storm
I don't recall summoner struggling at that stage tbh.
dapper coral
I mean, I guess it’s fair that people who are new to calamity will struggle
Especially in rev
What does summoner use at that stage?
heady storm
Maybe, but even then as you said why at EoC?
Seabound staff, which literally does as this person's suggestion is sounding like.
dapper coral
Hmm
hollow shell
m
@subtle knoll You could add to your sugg that it would fit into the trend of eye boss minions (Optic Staff and Entropy's Vigil)
to support an EoC drop specifically as an early summon wep to add
dapper coral
I’ll save it just in case
I doubt that it won’t get changed before then, but I have it anyways
dapper coral
heady storm
True eye summon, as in like a post-Moon Lord tier summon?
cobalt pewter
Yes
heady storm
I suppose.
dapper coral
Probably a bit specific
cobalt pewter
True
dapper coral
But yeah, could be a thing
heady storm
Well post-ml has a few decent options already so Idk how it could contribute to this suggestion.
dapper coral
...do ya wanna sugg it?
heady storm
Maybe consider adding it as another suggestion?
ashen warren
okay i read what the convo rover
sorry i can't word everything in a clear way
english isn't my first language
dapper coral
That’s alright
ashen warren
♥
dapper coral
That’s why we’re here
ashen warren
thank you i love this community
golden narwhal
ashen warren
yes
real steppe
An Astral Mimic honestly sounds fun
dapper coral
I think this sugg bout astral mimics is valid now, although I’ll let it sit for more feedback
heady storm
I'm gonna directly assume this would be needed for consistency though: an item that allows you to summon them manually like the soul keys in vanilla.
ashen warren
yes
ashen warren
or just use stardust
heady storm
The spoiler period isn't over yet technically @gleaming pumice.
dapper coral
It’ll be over at 8pm CST on the 8th
gleaming pumice
Oh sry I completely forgot
dapper coral
No worries
heady storm
It's alright byeah, those are some possible options.
ashen warren
what about a mimic for brimstone too?
cobalt pewter
Either ||Titan Hearts|| or idk, Starkey made outta Stardust works too for manually spawning Astral Mimics
ashen warren
yeah mimics will only work for either brimstone biome and astral
tawny garden
It's kinda underwhelming in general as a biome
ashen warren
ikr
cobalt pewter
Astral should be is meant to be massive
tawny garden
It should have more to it
cobalt pewter
With its own biome chest as well
ashen warren
yeah i wish astral was bigger
dapper coral
Which, philo? Brim or astral?
ashen warren
thats why we need more reason for early hardmode characters to explore them
tawny garden
the crag
ashen warren
both demik
dapper coral
(Personally i say both)
tawny garden
Byeah, both
dapper coral
But crag is def less developed
ashen warren
is it because of how small it is?
dapper coral
That, and that you go there to fight brimmy/ get charred ore and that’s it
Both of which are optional
ashen warren
optional but rewarding
dapper coral
And you have only one reason to go there in prehm, which is for slurper pole
ashen warren
not so rewarding
dapper coral
It’s helpful if you do it, yeah
Just dunno if it warrants an entire biome at this pount
Point*
No Suggs about 1.4
cobalt pewter
@white patio no future content, and Potion of Return counts
dapper coral
You can suggest this in like a year when cal goes to 1.4
cobalt pewter
But I bet they'd ban the pot in abyss
hollow idol
smh crags have the one funny flamethrower fish
dapper coral
The one that no one knows about yes
white patio
mb then
dapper coral
No worries
white patio
should i delete it or
hollow idol
YuH delete it
dapper coral
Perhaps
white patio
dapper coral
But that issue doesn’t need to be resolved for a veeeeery long time
If it ever becomes one
golden narwhal
So its materials are viable, I'd assume
ashen warren
balancing yea yea
i understand what calamity does to keep it self balanced
zenith is perfectly balanced in vanilla, stronger than any other end game weapon for sure
but for a mod that got post moonlord content, it doesn't work
dapper coral
Which is why cal will probably mess with it when it gets to 1.4
Is this leading into a sugg, or...?
dapper coral
Ah, that’s right
That’ll get sent to dev server once someone gets around to it
Bc that bits manual
dapper coral
Wdym?
ashen warren
like idk if they will make items from vanilla that are changed in calamity configurable
dapper coral
I can imagine
ashen warren
agreed my friend
sinful steeple
You need to have more than a title
Also Ravager just got buffed, and for good reason because the fight was kinda a joke before
dapper coral
Likely that they just hit enter too quick
Give em a sec
Oop, it’s gone
Never mind then
frail mantle
it's leaning towards it, though i'm not sure if it is
gray nebula
its not sis tier but it has useless specificities
just ask for a minion weapon that drops from ml because he only drops sentries
cobalt pewter
Well the intention was a true eye summon, but I ended up adding the bit bout dropping from Moonlord because I remembered the fact about him dropping 2 mfn sentries
ashen warren
yes iban that is pretty smart
like the minions from fargo's
ask fargo for help if you're doing this
he done it perfectly
gray nebula
if the intention was a true eoc summon then uh
probably nto the right way to go about it
gray nebula
you should suggest something because you noticed an issue and think that your suggestion can fix it (ml only drops sentries -> give ml a minion weapon)
gray nebula
instead of an idea for a weapon and then trying to shoehorn a reason to it
cobalt pewter
Though I guess in the end there's really no reason to suggest it since there's already a couple summons right after ya beat ML
gray nebula
welp a direct minion drop for ml wouldnt be so bad
who even has multiple sentry slots apart from the funny ooa armor people
cobalt pewter
Man I wish any mods would improve on OOA
gray nebula
death
ashen warren
i posted some dumb shit
cobalt pewter
Imagine tryna get a legendary weapon from Betsy
ashen warren
judge it
cobalt pewter
gray nebula
i am not gonna bother judging it 
cobalt pewter
hollow idol
but wait! its not a class! its a subclass!
ashen warren
balancing
cobalt pewter
If you're planning it to be a global mechanic, yes
Maybe not so much as a single weapon
cobalt pewter
Haha true melee go wank
ashen warren
NECRO damage type
hollow idol
also if it were a single weapon it would probably be specific
ashen warren
bruhass
cobalt pewter
Okay, that's an immediate no.
ashen warren
ability?
cobalt pewter
Unless you're a donator or smth
gray nebula
your thing is either a SIS or a huge effort suggestion
cobalt pewter
cobalt pewter
You only get that privilege by pouring em patreon money
gray nebula
if the reason is just "for summoner originality" then like
just ask for more original summoner weapons
no need to plan out an entirely new weird mechanici
cobalt pewter
It's funny how sentry is a subclass of a "subclass"
pale glacier
Its a cool idea but way over the top and wayyyyyyy too much work
Imagine having to make an undead version of every single enemy
gray nebula
and also no reason for it to exist 
cobalt pewter
gray nebula
(for the necromancy thing to exist specifically over azny other oriiginal idea for summoner)
pale glacier
cobalt pewter
Anyway, I might rethink my ML drop summon sugg
Need a solid reason for that shit
pale glacier
I wanna suggest a permanent power up that increases minion slot after wall of flesh, but something like that was shot down before
ashen warren
reasonable enough
pale glacier
Yea that's why it was shot down 
patent gorge
Also Ravager just got buffed, and for good reason because the fight was kinda a joke before
@sinful steeple WHAT
sinful steeple
Ravager got buffed
Before you could kite it and only have to worry about the head and the rockets which aren't very dangerous
Now Ravager can catch up to you
patent gorge
That fixes the problem i had of running too far away and him despawning easily
But he will kick my ass even further, so that's a shame.
nimble dock
||Make Draedon Power Cells extractinate much faster||
||There's 5 labs each with 4 Fuel Factories each. That's 20 factories in total the player can collect. Each one takes about 15 seconds to make 1 cell. That's 20 cells every 15 seconds. The use time of Silt is 15, and I assume that the Cells are the same. That's 4 cells extractinated every second. If my math is correct, in just 30 minutes of gameplay, that's 2400 cells. Again, if my math is correct, that's 10 full minutes of just extractinating for parts that you likely already have an abundance of and money. To me, that seems very excessive.||
||tl;dr Extractinating Power Cells takes way too long.||
That tl;dr at the end should probably go
distant gyro
it's actually 10 use time 15 use animation
for all extractinate-able items
i think that's kinda a job of other mods to do
nimble dock
There really isn't any mod out there that specifically boosts extractinator usage. There's a mod called "FasterExtractinator" out there, but it only works on Silt (not even slush or desert fossils, just silt).
Well, at least not to my knowledge there isn't a mod like that
I'll edit the math to fit with the 10 use time
But is there anything else wrong with it?
faint needle
Wouldnt 10 use time 15 useanimation result I like uhhh 0,75 uses per 10 frames?
distant gyro
it means 6 cells get extractinated per second
distant gyro
or silt or slush or desert fossil, whatever
nimble dock
I don't think that this is something I should need another mod to improve, especially when that mod doesn't exist 
I mean yeah, silt and the other stuff has the same issue
But to less of an extent as the power cells
sinful steeple
Why would you extractinate something you already have enough of and has no actual good benefit to you
nimble dock
Money, really
sinful steeple
Just farm Desert Scourge?
faint needle
Ok now you're confusing me
Well basically every usable item has useTime and useAnimation in the code. Whenever they're not equal some funky stuff happens
sinful steeple
Trying to get money by extracinating the ||power cells|| is incredibly slow and boring even if it were faster compared to basically any other method
nimble dock
Thing is that I have like 25k cells just sitting in storage and I both will never ever use that much to charge my stuff nor will I ever be able to extractinate it because of the fact that it'll take so long
sinful steeple
Then just trash it? You have no reason to keep so many
sinful steeple
Because it's a waste of time
nimble dock
Not if it gives me money
sinful steeple
It gives you much less than less time consuming, more fun methods
nimble dock
If the use time was set to 1 (if that's possible for something like cells) or even 2, then it'd totally be worth extractinating for a couple of minutes for a decent amount of plat
Especially considering that the cells generate by themselves
Without any input from the player
sinful steeple
Even if the use time was changed to be a single frame, that would be 25k frames assuming you have them all in one stack and 25k frames roughly translates to nearly 7 minutes of holding the mouse button down and doing nothing
nimble dock
That's not nearly as bad as it currently is
Plus
Isn't the entire point of being able to extractinate them for parts and some extra coin?
sinful steeple
The point of being able to extractinate them is for builders that want to build ||lab junk and ran out of mats||
nimble dock
Well, why not make the life of builders easier by making them faster to extractinate?
There's really no reason, as to my knowledge, to not make them faster.
Other than maybe they can give too much money without any input on the player besides finding ||the labs||
In which case, just reduce the sell value of ||the parts||
sinful steeple
Also assuming that you get a silver from all of them you'll get like 2.5 plat from 7 minutes of doing nothing but making your finger hurt
distant gyro
point of extractinating those is to make them renewable
sinful steeple
Which is nothing at all, you can get like 1 plat from a single Arma DS
nimble dock
Eh, probably not 1 plat from DS, but a decent amount nonetheless
But again, that takes input
and is also boring imo
sinful steeple
Not more boring that crushing your index finger with the rest of your arm and the mouse for 7 minutes
And that's assuming you get perfect money rewards and it takes only a frame to extractinate
So that number is not even reasonably possible
nimble dock
You can just hold down M1. Or even use an auto-clicker of some sort. Hell, Windows comes with a built in function to hold down M1 for you.
sinful steeple
Have you held down M1 for extended periods of time
It feels like pain
Even if this suggestion were to go through extractinating is just worse than just binning them
cobalt pewter
I'd probably rework how Extractinator works if possible
sinful steeple
There is a reason to do it, it's just assuming you get impossible odds not only is your index finger completely destroyed, you spent 7 minutes doing nothing and the reward is less than killing a boss in less than a minute with Arma on
cobalt pewter
Let it store up to a max stack of blocks, then it'll automatically extract stuff
nimble dock
I wish that there was a mod that made them universally faster, but the only mod that exists that does is kinda bad
cobalt pewter
||Kinda like how Draedon's charging station stores power cells and uses them when there's a rechargable weapon in tthe other slot||
sinful steeple
The suggestion itself isn't bad but it just doesn't fix the problem
If it were 1 frame it takes 7 minutes, and since it takes 10 frames apparently yes that's 70 minutes of extractinating which is much worse but even if it were 1 frame it's just a bad idea
nimble dock
Well, if there's no issue with the suggestion's structure, then I guess I'll go ahead and post it and fix the math
faint needle
Eh, probably not 1 plat from DS, but a decent amount nonetheless
With arma you get more than that iirc
tawny garden
aight, what did I miss
Feedza's sugg shouldn't explicitly say "||crafted with Dubious Plating and Mysterious Circuitry||", that's leaning towards SIS
and if that isn't mentioned, then the spoiler tags could be removed
tawny garden
finite smelt
Make a Crimson variant of the Cursed Capper
The Cursed Capper is a Corruption exclusive upgrade of the Phoenix Blaster, which Post-Plantera is used in Aeries, which is used in other, Post-Moon Lord weapons, whilst the weapon itself is fine, there's no Crimson variant to the weapon, meaning players in a Crimson world who aren't using a mod which grants them access to Cursed Flames have the entire Handgun weapon tree locked to them past the Phoenix Blaster, a Crimson variant would fix that.
first time making a suggestion post, not sure if it's perfecting formatting
weak field
We literally had two people trying to make the two evil more unique
Plus cursed capper sucks anyway
And you do know that you're not forced to pick crimson right
If you want prideful hunter's plan ripper just choose corruption
Formatting is good though
Reasoning is not that great but passable
You got all necessary parts of a suggestion
The only rule it might break is SIS
finite smelt
?
unkempt bolt
not to mention that cursed capper isn’t locked to crimson players
weak field
Specific Item Suggestion
unkempt bolt
since the evil island exists
finite smelt
hold on a second, isn't the corruption island's chest locked?
sturdy elk
uhhh yeah?
weak field
yeah?
sturdy elk
oh
tawny garden
you still can get the key iirc
sturdy elk
yeah
finite smelt
yea, but it's not usable until post-plantera
sturdy elk
oh course not???
tawny garden
so is every other key
weak field
It's a flipping biome chest after all
tawny garden
no, it doesn't flip
finite smelt
meaning Cursed Capper, to a crimson world, isn't available to a player until it's not viable anymore
tawny garden
it tends to stay in place
sturdy elk
uhhh so is every other weapon
finite smelt
right
tawny garden
yeah, the chest contains another weapon
finite smelt
hang on aint cursed flame only from underground corruption?
sturdy elk
no?
weak field
No?
sturdy elk
thats vanilla not modded
finite smelt
my thinking was VERY flawed, i'm scrapping this suggestion it seems
robust lava
World Feeders can spawn on the surface
sturdy elk
yeah dont worry i had the same problem when getting into modded
just get recepie browser and look at what drops it
it should say every enemy that does
tawny garden
it doesn't always say, but most of the time it does
sturdy elk
ye
finite smelt
i've had modded for about a year now, just, whenever i get a decent playthrough actually, going, it's been A: not a ranged playthrough, and B: a crimson world
and i'm not always playing terraria 24/7 during that time
i was playing on and off for alot of thatd, getting burnt out, etc
sturdy elk
i always choose crimson because i have an easier time not dying from falling xD
finite smelt
exxactly
crimson is usually nicer to me in early game
only issue is Brain's expert mode drop 🤮
sturdy elk
just cause id always be near an edge then an enemy would knock me off it
i like brain
brain is pretty good for early game.
also brain has bloody worm scarf
finite smelt
i mean compared to the s c a r f it's horrendous
weak field
At least brain&performator are both easier than corruption counterpart
zealous ridge
1.3 brain sucks yes
tawny garden
soon™️
sand umbra
1.3 brain cringe but 1.4 brain is fucking stupid
sturdy elk
SOON
weak field
1.3 brain more like a total waste of accessory slots
fossil finch
1.4 brain makes corruption a filler
You no longer need it
sand umbra
it went from useless to literally better Black Belt
tawny garden
1.4 brain actually uses its brain
sturdy elk
i personally have the brain on in early game but... yeah i can see what you mean
weak field
It gives an effect that's not that strong considering you'll have to get hit; and even that is random
finite smelt
i haven't used 1.4 brain yet, my 1.4 playthrough was corruption
weak field
That's how bad 1.3 brain is
sturdy elk
yeah
finite smelt
what's the change they made?
zealous ridge
1.4 brain is at least on par with vanilla scarf
Well, you dodge an attack randomly now
sturdy elk
^
finite smelt
o_o ....WHAT
zealous ridge
And you get a crit chance buff when you do that
weak field
Wait what
tawny garden
thankfully calamity allows you to buy the scarf for now, so you don't have to make a corrupt world for it
weak field
That's literally Black Belt EX in pre-hardmode
zealous ridge
Yes
violet dagger
I see an instant nerf
tawny garden
yep, 1.4 brain is a 1/6 chance of dodging completely
violet dagger
Tf
zealous ridge
But worm scarf is essentially frozen turtle shell ex, which doesn’t make it balanced for its tier or anything
finite smelt
with no major updates from now on (most likely) i don't think it'll get a nerf
tawny garden
soo
Brain of Confusion + Black Belt + Hallowed armor = cheese (🧀) factory
violet dagger
People: calam is unbalanced
Also people: soaring insignia, and both of the evil boss expert drops are balanced
zealous ridge
Well
Calam is unbalanced
Saying vanilla is unbalanced doesn’t prove anything really besides that vanilla is too
weak field
Depends on how you look at it
A vanilla player will say that it's unbalanced
Until they pick up revengeance
finite smelt
i feel like instead of bringing brain up to god-tier along with scarf, theyt shouldve lowered scarf and raised brain into mid-tier
what's scarf DR? 17% right?
zealous ridge
In vanilla yeah
weak field
17% vanilla 10% calamity
zealous ridge
the thing is I don’t think they changed it because I remember worm scarf getting a lot of praise
Like everyone was like “this is so good”
Not “this is broken as shit”
finite smelt
yea, make it like 10-12% in vanilla (of course this is what i would do if i could) and make it so, say, Brain has a 1/10 chance to dodge an attack, and when it does, it confuses nearby enemies
zealous ridge
So I guess the idea was don’t fix what people aren’t complaining about
keen drum
i feel like some wing buffs should be changed
finite smelt
that would make both viable, but not entirely busted
keen drum
like bone wings give a massive buff to phm armor
and they're post plantera
also, frozen wings literally give 2% extra damage
zealous ridge
I dislike bone wings for what they stand for in cal
finite smelt
??
zealous ridge
Like “wouldn’t it be funny if this pre-hm armor was viable because of a wing accessory”
zealous ridge
Well less so for them
zealous ridge
Frozen are the best stats before an eclipse
finite smelt
i prefer jetpack for that z o o m
keen drum
what about angel/demon
finite smelt
then i get MOAB
zealous ridge
And Jetpack/other wings have cool utilities
keen drum
angel gives you 15 def and 3x life regen
zealous ridge
I like using demon
zealous ridge
well yeah
I’d imagine summoners don’t really like using accessories that benefit a stat they will never use
keen drum
yeah
finite smelt
i don't think you use any general combat accessories as a summoner
for me RN in my summoner playthrough (currently preparing for ravager) i just have Statis' blessing, star-tainted generator, then the typical utility accessories
zealous ridge
Well yeah
That’s because every accessory that grants minions is a multiplier to damage
So it’s kind of silly to not use those if you have the choice
finite smelt
things like the Celestial shell, which are amazing for other classes, are absolute 🐕 💩 for summoner
zealous ridge
I disagree
It’s just not optimal
Especially in cal
I could see using shell on summoner in vanilla for example
Because reaching max minions is difficult and not always worth the effort given what you could lose out on
In cal if you aren’t at the recommended minion level you are missing out on a decent chunk of damage
And minion slots come by way easier with how abundant minion slot boosts become
And what exactly does general combat accessory mean?
signal torrent
to whoever posted that Ocean Spirit pet suggestion
There's a light pet item for the Ocean Spirit
finite smelt
things that say +30% damage, are general, things that say +30% summon damage are specific combat accessories
zealous ridge
yeah, okay
in that case i dont think its because these accessories are dogshit
much more that minion slots are better than like
anything else lmao
like, 12% damage is 12% damage
an avenger emblem will do as it says
but one or two minion slots is far more valuable for summoners because that's a what, 1.2x multiplier to damage?
im not sure how the math adds up
finite smelt
and jirou, he knows that there is a light pet item for ocean spirit, he's talkign about how the leviathan lore item makes it always active, which he finds the best looking light pet in the game, in exchange for -8 defense is stupid
zealous ridge
yeah, ocean spirit light pet only works fully underwater
finite smelt
like, 12% damage is 12% damage
@zealous ridge but 15% summon damage is 15% summon damage, too
meaning unless you're branching it into a different accessory, or running a multi class playthrough, stick to the basic emblem
zealous ridge
thats not an exclusively summoner thing
finite smelt
true
zealous ridge
cal also does this thing where it encourages holding on to the class emblem not for avengers
but for the later class-specific accessories
because every class-specific endgame accessory eventually uses an class-specific emblem in it
like, honestly
finite smelt
and vanilla had you upgrade to avenger's for the class specific accessories (except ranged used destroyer for some reason????), which was the only reason why most people upgraded to them
sand umbra
hello yes what fun are we having here
zealous ridge
hi thomas
weak field
hi pencil
finite smelt
class specific accessory uses class specific accessory in recipe 😱
zealous ridge
this has become a tangent
zealous ridge
alrighty
tawny garden
whoa this is beeg
dapper coral
@keen drum try to not put specific percentages or effects because that's against the rules
tawny garden
he kinda didn't
dapper coral
for frozen wings
zealous ridge
well to a degree yeah he did
tawny garden
ah
dapper coral
other than that it seems fine
dapper coral
oh yeah
keen drum
since those are already in the game?
dapper coral
but you can mention the ones that exist
balmy jay
I feel like gel darts should have a price decrease
zealous ridge
what are they right now...?
balmy jay
It costs almost 25 gold for a full stack of a consumable
Currently 2 silver 50 copper for a single dart
keen drum
alr it should be fixed
dapper coral
...wait a minute, didn't these used to be craftable?
zealous ridge
gel darts used to be dropped/crafted from sg
dapper coral
are they a bandit exclusive now?
zealous ridge
yes they are bandit exclusive
dapper coral
huh
tawny garden
zealous ridge
i was a bit confused by it as well
unreal viper
In my opinion, frozen wings are already good enough considering they have the best wing stats of the early Hardmode wings.
dapper coral
technically a spoiler so ¯_(ツ)_/¯
tawny garden
how long is it till spoilers are allowed?
dapper coral
until 8pm CST today
tawny garden
(sorry I don't speak CST)
dapper coral
uhhhh
zealous ridge
like its been around for like at least a month
dapper coral
in 8 hours
tawny garden
ah ty