I thought DoG was already mobile enough though imo
#suggestions-discussion
hollow shell
mortal bison
Imo dog should teleport more
ashen warren
yeah he is deadly fast
mortal bison
He can rip holes through space and shit yet he uses it like once if you run too fsr
Far
azure jewel
Dog definitely does not need to be more mobile
hollow shell
He teleports every time he does the laser wall attack, doesn't he?
mortal bison
Does he?
hollow oriole
i think he goes invis
mortal bison
Yeah pretty sure he just goes invis
hollow shell
He does go invis during the attack, but once it's over his whole body teleports to a spot and it goes BWOUGH
mortal bison
I mean like just teleporting to block you off and make you face his actual attacks instead of just running
Shit like that you know?
hollow oriole
tbh i thought it would be funny al hell if DoG could suddenly turn 90 degrees, no reason too, just makes the fight harder
hollow shell
m, that's not really enough to support a suggestion
azure jewel
That would make fighting him in death extremely difficult as touching his head is an instakill. If he teleports in front of you all the time you're gonna have serious problems
hollow shell
aight.
mortal bison
@azure jewel nah make it like decently far but make him go down and make it harder to go above him
hollow shell
In Death Mode his head is guaranteed kill, yes
azure jewel
In death mode it's instakill
ashen warren
you know precision
hollow oriole
he teleported right infront of me
ashen warren
since some bosses give you fishing gear
mortal bison
It just sucks you can run right only and you basically win. For death it's oof
ashen warren
what if you had to fish those bosses
to get the fishing gear
like you can fight the boss normal
but not get the angler question items
but if you fish for them
you get it
azure jewel
How would you fish for DS
ashen warren
ds?
azure jewel
Desert scourge. He drops fishing stuff
hollow shell
(and for that matter, how would you fish for Leviathan? A new item?)
mortal bison
Plus actual bosses would make people think they need to do them
ashen warren
remove fishing stuff from levi?
mortal bison
Just make a few fishing only minibosses
hollow shell
That prolly won't go over well alexaa
mortal bison
Yeah remove fishing stuff from bosses
ashen warren
ocean scourge is enough ngl
mortal bison
It's in my suggestion
ashen warren
yes
mortal bison
@ashen warren i just said to get fishing gear from fishing minibosses
In my sugg
Its not like they'd be uncommon
ashen warren
yeah like in bloodmoon fishing
ashen warren
you get a good fishing rod in blood moon fishing
mortal bison
The only exception I can say is bottomless water bucket, leave that with levi
I know people like that and it's not a huge issue
mortal bison
But stuff like sextant, and everything is just eh
ashen warren
that gives you the hotline fishing hook
mortal bison
I guess add golden big fish miniboss to drop it, but it's rarer than other minibosses
mortal bison
Honestly for now
See what community thinks, if it works I might see about getting in contact with devs to talk about it
Cause it would be confusing
mortal bison
We'll see what people think first
azure jewel
I'm personally not a fan of the idea. I don't mind adding fishing minibosses, would make fishing a bit more interesting, but I don't think removing the fishing drops from des, as and levi is a good idea
They drop fishing stuff cause it makes sense for them to
mortal bison
I guess an option to keep them?
mortal bison
You could make them rarer and just make it way easier to get from fishing
ashen warren
yes
azure jewel
That I could get behind
ashen warren
good idea
azure jewel
But I don't think removing the drops entirely is a good idea
ashen warren
fair enough since it is a fish themed boss
azure jewel
^ exactly
mortal bison
Sorted
ashen warren
what if you can only craft it with stuff from ALL of prehardmode fishing minibosses
mortal bison
The main ones I think should stay are sextant, weather radio and fishermans guide since people just want cell phones
But stuff like angler earring, high test line etc
Make it fishing only
Or make them way rare
Rarer
mortal bison
Yeah and it scales with mining and bossrs
Which just... why?
It makes it feel like way too optional and connected with main game
mortal bison
Instead of just an optional side of terraria
ashen warren
make it something people want to do
EoC is an optional boss
but it got good items
mortal bison
Like if you feel like fishing you have fishing scaling to do that would be cool. But making it scale by playing normally sucks
ashen warren
that you really want
mortal bison
Yeah
ashen warren
yea
mortal bison
Obviously if i was competent i'd learn to mod and do it myself but I'm not in any way so shit
mortal bison
Oooo
ashen warren
BUFFED AND GOLD
ashen warren
nice
mortal bison
The best fishing rod drops rods from above you through dimensional wormholes
That would work for devourer of cods
I ain't gonna lie
lucid marsh
Also geez the star requirement is 240 now? It was like 90 last time I made a suggestion lol
ashen warren
well no one is gonna make it to 240
mortal bison
Pretty much
ashen warren
because there isn't that many votters
mortal bison
200 if you're lucky lol
lucid marsh
Figures
azure jewel
I think that's the idea. Limit the number of new suggestions coming in (lucky me that I got mine in before the change went into affect)
lucid marsh
That’s kind of an issue, huh. It should be probably around 70% the total voters at most I think.
woeful lantern
Usually the most basic suggestions get the most amount of stars imo
mortal bison
But yeah if my fishing overhaul gets a decent number I'll see if i can get in touch with devs about the ideas to explain it to them
ashen warren
sadly
azure jewel
If the devs are wanting to significantly reduce the number of user suggestions coming in then it's not really an issue
mortal bison
But it's possible they say no because it's such a massive change
Or they delay it for a good while
woeful lantern
2 of mine are 150-160 but they from a while ago, like last 2 weeks or a month
mortal bison
I mean rover what do you think of my sugg, too big?
ashen warren
big suggestions should be talked with devs
hollow shell
(when we took statistics, over 60% of suggs were reaching 170, the previous req.
about 20% of suggestions reach 240, which is the number we tend to aim for with raisings)
mortal bison
I know but i think the community should decide first
Because why put the effort in if people don't want it
lucid marsh
Ok that’s fine then I guess
cobalt pewter
Man my most effort suggs can't even reach 130
mortal bison
Fishing overhaul idea rover
cobalt pewter
cobalt pewter
The extra diff reward one only gets to 128
ashen warren
should be talked about with devs
mortal bison
Is a massive suggestion but i think it would flesh out fishing way more than being an optional thing to do right now
mortal bison
I'll see, I'll see if i can dm fab about it to see what he thinks
cobalt pewter
dm bad
cobalt pewter
Plus fab disabled dms
mortal bison
ashen warren
not really
mortal bison
Fair enough
hollow shell
These suggestion channels exist for the very purpose of delivering ideas to the devs
ashen warren
there are way too many features we talked about
mortal bison
@hollow shell it's because we want to overhaul fishing entirely. Like a full mod sized thing
ashen warren
it is hard to talk about them without getting specific and without examples
mortal bison
So it's definitely not something small
ashen warren
overhauling fishing will be big for sure
ashen warren
lets try and make it simpler
hollow shell
It's a Don't for suggestions to require an exorbitant amount of effort to execute
sand umbra
what is it with people and suggesting things that'd be better in their own mods
ashen warren
This sugg haven't scratched 130 yet :GWinfxCry:
very good suggestion but prob most people didn't read it
hollow shell
Does the tModLoader discord have a suggestions channel
sand umbra
then learn to
ashen warren
prob not
ashen warren
and no one will want to work for your suggestion
mortal bison
Oh nice
ashen warren
it takes a lot of time
mortal bison
I'll get it
cobalt pewter
@hollow shell would reposting a sugg that haven't been starred yet allowed? Or do we have a time limit on that?
mortal bison
@ashen warren worth a shot i guess
ashen warren
yeah ngl
mortal bison
Harassing calamity devs for it is probably the worse option
cobalt pewter
One week, hm
sand umbra
someone will be stupid enough to spend 5 years overhauling fishing only to realize they've only scratched the surface of the problems overhauling fishing presents both with vanilla and with other mods
I guaran-fucking-tee it
hollow shell
mhm, 4 more days
ashen warren
my suggestion reached 170
mortal bison
@sand umbra fuck it let's go make a fishing game
ashen warren
congrats to me
sand umbra
fishing game (fishing game)
cobalt pewter
I immediately backed out of ||IH|| in my death rogue playthrough in post mech because I'm just shitting myself with no real rewards
woeful lantern
2d minecraft fishing game
sand umbra
this sugg is. a trip
I get the intention behind it --- I want fishing to be good as much as the next guy
but like
ashen warren
hard
cobalt pewter
Simply too much work
ashen warren
it is just hard man
sand umbra
- way too large-scale to ever clear voting let alone dev server
cobalt pewter
Giant workload sugg is a no
mortal bison
That's fair. I had a feeling devs would have denied it instantly
woeful lantern
Hard because vanilla fishing is already pretty bad to work with
sand umbra
- it is better off in its own mod or a mod which has a higher focus on vanilla mechanical/progression-related changes
mortal bison
Yeah
hollow shell
I feel like you can redo your sugg, working from this
"Basically I don't like how you can progress normally and that's how to upgrade fishing. It feels like you aren't rewarded for fishing."
and still have it be small scale.
In vanilla, this is the case. Higher tier bait and fishing rods are only obtained from Angler quests
... but everybody fucking hates Angler quests and it takes a trillion years to get those items
mortal bison
If relogic spaghetti code is anything to go by, changing their code is a big nono with modders
ashen warren
we are not changing vanilla code are we
our idea started with something like blood moon fishing
mortal bison
@hollow shell yeah i hate angler daily. I was thinking make it scale from actually just fishing with no npc
woeful lantern
U could make it so angler doesnt have quest delay but then again i feel would still take a while
mortal bison
Hmm. Maybe have it scale from calamity rods?
mortal bison
So the idea starts from calamity
hollow shell
You could do something like
suggest that higher tier fishing rods are only craftable using rare items that must be fished up first
mortal bison
Aka post moonlord
hollow shell
That's just a simple two or three new items and slightly changed recipes
and it's one step towards your goal
mortal bison
I think ill have my sugg based around calamity rods etc.
I think the supreme tackler bag would need an item though to make it that's from fishing
ashen warren
yeah
ashen warren
when 1.4 comes out
woeful lantern
Makes sense i guess
ashen warren
you can add the "similar to bloodmoon fishing" bit
mortal bison
So just a few changes to calamity fishing instead of touching code that no one wants to touch
I can do that
ashen warren
acid sea fishing
cobalt pewter
I need to keep an early hm accessory all the way to post yharon if I want to use a damned yoyo
ashen warren
lmfao
woeful lantern
Ye i feel like it should get some what of an upgrade, while subclasses arent really focused on by the calamity team cause there isnt much to work with like darts for example
ashen warren
subclass suggestions are not allowed sadly
subclasses are something i really love in terraria
hollow shell
Depends on the sugg's purpose.
woeful lantern
My dart suggestion was
cobalt pewter
I mean yoyos can prolly get a post-ML acc that works similarly to Raider's Talisma, but I guess yeah
ashen warren
yes at least one accessory please
because an early hardmode accessory wouldn't cut it till scal
cobalt pewter
Yoyos aren't that dry in Calamity so I don't see no reason to maybe add one acc as part of a yoyo bag upgrade for post ML
ashen warren
yeah you can stay all the way a yoyo god
woeful lantern
Yoyo for dog
ashen warren
mortal bison
Rover, that good?
mortal bison
Thought so
ashen warren
nature of fishing?
woeful lantern
Its tooltip is lterally someone thought this would be good against dog
mortal bison
Fixed
cobalt pewter
hollow shell
That's better
mortal bison
@cobalt pewter yes screw bosses, i came to f i s h
hollow shell
I still feel like your sugg is comprised too much of specific instances of what you want to see, and not framed well enough as a reasoning, with those things you mention as examples
gleaming pumice
Sounds good but wouldnt adding a bunch of mini bosses take alot of work
Just for fishing
gleaming pumice
It was broken against DoG I hear
Which weapon?
ashen warren
but awesome
gleaming pumice
^
gray nebula
separate fishing progression? 
ashen warren
YES
cobalt pewter
Speaking of Old One's, dang I want that event to be gon
ashen warren
YES
gray nebula
why yes
gleaming pumice
Its alot for smth only a few players would do
gray nebula
no
gleaming pumice
But it would be very cool indeed
gray nebula
isn't fishing like a side thing to get extra materials
it's not a new progression system on its own
ashen warren
in 1.4 they added blood moon fishing
mortal bison
Sorted
gray nebula
blood moon fishing is still a side thing to get more materials / weapons but fancier
mortal bison
Terraria should be a true fishing game
hollow shell
I would be fine with fishing rods becoming linear starting with Rift Reeler (or Early Bloom) in order to enforce 'you gotta fish for the better fishing stuff'
mortal bison
I expect to see relogic make terraria 2, with no bosses just fishing
hollow shell
This sugg looks better now Precision
Though this line should be made less specific "maybe 1/1000 post-ml with 180+ fishing power"
mortal bison
Get rid of the 1/1000?
ashen warren
the maybe means an example right?
hollow shell
Get rid of both numbers
mortal bison
Ah ok
gleaming pumice
Just say very low drop chance
hollow shell
Describe them, don't state them directly
ashen warren
ibanplay
hollow shell
yeah, like "very rare fishing chance with a high fishing power req"
cobalt pewter
So "maybe super low chance in post-ML with relatively high fishing power"
ashen warren
you know fishing weapons in hardmode?
cobalt pewter
For example
ashen warren
those are pretty cool
not needed
but cool
astral biome should have that
and for post moonlord too
and the acid sea
you know
hollow shell
Well uh there already kinda is, Alexaa
ashen warren
fishing weapons should be a suggestion
mortal bison
Sorted
hollow shell
Two of these are weapons, one is an accessory
(the rest are bait or food/potion mats)
woeful lantern
What does astral crate give?
hollow shell
Polaris is gun
ashen warren
the weapons and accessories are only obtainable from fishing right?
mortal bison
Honestly the only thing I'm excited to see from 1.4 in calamity is doors opening by themselves and new well fed bonuses
cobalt pewter
Honestly the only thing I'm excited to see from 1.4 in calamity is doors opening by themselves and new well fed bonuses
@mortal bison smart doors mod
pale glacier
o
mortal bison
Those well fed bonuses against bosses = big time
ashen warren
because that would be just a random weapon you could get from crates
hollow shell
The crate doesn't have unique equipment except for a pet
pale glacier
Good coms
ashen warren
meh then
mortal bison
@cobalt pewter I'll check it out
hollow shell
And yes those two weps and that one acc are only obtainable by fishing.
ashen warren
The crate doesn't have unique equipment except for a pet
And yes those two weps and that one acc are only obtainable by fishing.
?????
hollow shell
They're not in the crate.
cobalt pewter
Fishing ≠ crate
ashen warren
AH
woeful lantern
Crates are pretty meh in terraria
hollow shell
Are they?
mortal bison
Rover is my sugg fine for now then?
hollow shell
I thought they were kinda great
onyx river
They're pretty good to give you a headstart
hollow shell
And yeah I think your suggestion is okay now.
Not great, but fine :P
woeful lantern
Ehh
onyx river
And also to find stuff that isn't in your world
hollow shell
^
ashen warren
not only you get fish that makes you the best food
hollow shell
Renewable chest loot is poggers
onyx river
Lava fishing is trash
onyx river
It takes wayyyy to long compared to normal fishing
onyx river
The crates are the only interesting part and they are not worth it
ashen warren
they are worth it
in hardmode they give all hardmode ores
post skeletron you can just open the small boxes
onyx river
You don't really need all hardmode ores tho
ashen warren
You don't really need all hardmode ores tho
why don't you?
onyx river
Because you can very easily skip a tier to hallowed
ashen warren
so fight mech bosses naked?
onyx river
And that's if you're not a summonner cuz if you are oh boy
Fight mech bosses with tier 2 armor
honestly it's enough, especially for destroyer
ashen warren
that seems like a just you thing
onyx river
No, destroyer always has been, and will alway be a joke in vanilla
woeful lantern
Destroyer the hardest mech boss imo lol
onyx river
Which allows for easy accessing of hallowed
also titanium and biomes crates give tier 3 ore iirc
ashen warren
i mean if you're going to cheese one mech bosses what is the point
onyx river
Destryer litterally cannot get to you if you have a skybridge with a high enough resolution
onyx river
Even without cheesing it you can do the twins pretty easily
woeful lantern
Good luck getting those crates cause they kinda hard to come by
ashen warren
twins were always the easiest
onyx river
Titanium is miles easier to get than obsidian crates
ashen warren
nah
onyx river
Or whaterver the hardmode variant is called i don't remember
ashen warren
would rather not corrupt my world thank you
onyx river
Why corrupting your world
woeful lantern
Trying fish for biome crates is
ashen warren
hollow shell
Convo
onyx river
Biome crates are just a bonus on the side of titanium crates
hollow shell
derailing a tad
onyx river
Sorry
unreal viper
So, should fishing reward fishing via gear?
hollow shell
That's what Precision is aiming for, yeah
unreal viper
I guess if you’re gonna have it as some sort of alternative to mining and blood orbs, that could make sense pml. You get rewarded for going with the play style.
woeful lantern
Nothing really does that in terraria where fishing rewards fishing except getting bait i think
hollow shell
In vanilla Terraria it definitely happens
onyx river
And the rods but we don't talk about those
hollow shell
because Angler
ashen warren
woeful lantern
Angler is bad
hollow shell
but Calamity says "Fuck Angler"
... rightfully so, fuck Angler.
ashen warren
he is a kid
hollow shell
little shit is what he is
ashen warren
he is dead in the eyes of god
onyx river
I mean, in calamity you have cosmolight so honestly, even if you didn't get the drops from the boss it would still be miles faster than vanilla
ashen warren
cosmolight cant change angler quests
onyx river
Ah, shoot, then yeah, fuck angler
woeful lantern
Angler, more like no
hollow shell
I got the mod which makes it so there's no delay between Angler quests
alongside Luiafk's infinite rods (which makes you throw out more bobbers every 10 quests)
and I actually had fun? Fishing?
ashen warren
the most popular mod that does that is fishing++
makes you able to fish
and able to buy bait
good stuff
hollow shell
Ah nah I got whatever one lets you reroll the quests
actually that may have been a separate mod
pale glacier
Honestly I just fished during my very first terraria playthrough, but hardly did any fishing after that lmao
hollow shell
never used it cuz going out to get the quest fish in mid-Hardmode isn't hard at all
hollow shell
You can suggest one get added I guess
(but probably in a day or two because there's already multiple fishing suggs in posting)
real steppe
Is Angler useful in Calamity?
indigo fog
angler is good for like
fin wings
and that's it lmao
everything else has some significantly easier alternative way of being obtained
real steppe
Yeah, though I still sometimes use the Angler because of the decorative items
I love the seaweed planter
ashen warren
i don't know how to feel about this
We add other means of getting his stuff
robust lava
I just do the fishing quests out of habit
real steppe
weeds
ashen warren
what if you had to fish in sand, for the desert scourge to get the fishing items?
real steppe
And the fuzzy carrot saved my arse from fall damage
robust lava
I expect a majority of people would prefer to stay away from fishing as much as they can
ashen warren
no not really
robust lava
Which means they just want an easy way to get the cell phone requirements and that’s it
ashen warren
wdym?
hollow shell
@fringe sky
ashen warren
ah
fringe sky
I created my world like a week or so ago
And it wouldn't hurt for those with long term worlds
hollow shell
Did the Locked chests turn into invalid tiles?
dapper coral
they don't exist anymore, right?
ashen warren
yes
dapper coral
so that would remove them or something
ashen warren
all unlocked as i know
fringe sky
Textureless but idk if they can't function
dapper coral
or at least glitch em out
fringe sky
Yeah
dapper coral
i suppose the question is, can you add things for specific worlds? or i suppose they would just exist for a bit in source but not actually spawn in new worlds
fringe sky
Added an edit
dapper coral
just so that people with old worlds can access them
fringe sky
^
dapper coral
eh, that would be frustrating imo
hollow shell
Alternatively alternatively, let the chest items be fished.
fringe sky
Not everyone is gonna do that in every new patch
dapper coral
oh
ashen warren
Not everyone is gonna do that in every new patch
calamity changes a lot, you're missing out
just make a new world
fringe sky
But instead of replacing locked with unlocked, they just break entirely
dapper coral
calamity changes a lot, you're missing out
hardly every new update is something important content-wise
hollow shell
Wait yeah you didn't update your world for this new update?
This update added a TON of worldgen stuff
fringe sky
I mean I just started my world like a week ago
dapper coral
i'm sure there are people out there who want to finish a playthrough before they start exploring 1.4.5
hollow shell
Poor timing I guess
dapper coral
which is kinda part of the reason we have spoiler tags, for people who don't start it yet
hollow shell
I see
fringe sky
So yeah you can see how I'm at the point where I rather not just create a new world
fringe sky
Oh
hollow shell
Dunno how I missed that
dapper coral
they just kinda disappear i guess
now that the items are still obtainable i guess there's no point in messing with textures anymore
ashen warren
what if the great sand shark was fished?
dapper coral
mmm no? it's a sand shark
ashen warren
and this feature comes with sand fishing
dapper coral
it comes from the sand
ashen warren
yes
dapper coral
there is no sand fishing
fringe sky
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/350387256583782400/741110059588911194/unknown.png it doesn't diaappear
ashen warren
new
dapper coral
that sounds like a large implementation
hollow shell
oh huh, I thought invalid tiles broke instantly
ashen warren
don't they?
fringe sky
They don't
hollow shell
(when you hit em that is)
fringe sky
Oh
dapper coral
how long have these been craftable?
fringe sky
I didn't try breaking it yet
ashen warren
rover you're a dev as i know
hollow shell
Yes
ashen warren
how hard will it be to add sand fishing
hollow shell
Not a clue.
ashen warren
expected
hollow shell
As with trying to add most things vanilla never does
It could either be HELLISHLY DIFFICULT
or, not that bad
Usually the former.
dapper coral
what does sand fishing mean to you, alexaa?
sinful steeple
Sand fishing wouldn't make sense and probably wouldn't work because of how fishing works
ashen warren
in my head it will work like this, you throw a fishing pole that only works on sand, and it will work like water
idk it makes sense to me
dapper coral
makes sense, perhaps
ashen warren
a beast and you give him a good bait
dapper coral
implementation wise = no bueno i would think
fringe sky
Oh btw curious, would issues with boss checklist in terms of calamity be on this end or checklists end
ashen warren
i call great enemies and minibosses beasts
dapper coral
checklist's end
fringe sky
Rip
ashen warren
like, didn't ben say no already?
no he didn't, we talked about it and everyone said it is too large
sinful steeple
Also how would having to fish for Great Sand Shark improve the mod
fringe sky
There's a lot of issues with it atm
sinful steeple
I like fishing but honestly it sounds like a miserable experience
Kinda like tryna get Dreadnautilus to actually show up
ashen warren
kind of rare ngl
hollow shell
anyway, before I forget
Is ei's Demonshade sugg fine?
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/699359022364491868/740951258466222142
ashen warren
no
hollow shell
dapper coral
it's valid, i think? there's no issue with changing it because Shadow's gone right?
ashen warren
making the very end armor more class specific don't make much sense
ashen warren
yes
frail mantle
the fact that auric tesla is viable against demonshade is part of the problem
hollow shell
I'm fine with their current dynamic
though I will admit Demonshade is somewhat underwhelming
(which hopefully I'll be working to fix)
ashen warren
auric tesla maybe should be able to be upgraded with shadow spec you know?
yeah
that would work out
frail mantle
i am too, it just feels odd that Demonshade is arguably only used by nohitters because Tesla is much better for normal playthroughs
dapper coral
most people would rather not glasscannon for BR except nohitters, yes
hollow shell
aight so
sugg's fine, people just might not agree
tawny garden
hm, how long has it been since shadow was active?
hollow shell
like, actual years
tawny garden
👀
hollow shell
I don't even know if he's been in this Discord server, or only active on the forums
tawny garden
aight, then it's valid
hollow shell
How's sised's ||valve|| suggestion?
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/699359022364491868/740957185395392603
dapper coral
sure
civic gust
that could be interesting yeah
hollow shell
Sounds fine. I'd use it
heady storm
It's nice yeah.
civic gust
most people would rather not glasscannon for BR except nohitters, yes
👀
tawny garden
it's fine ||if you make more than 2 of them||
hollow shell
heady storm
(What was up with that?)
heady storm
Ah.
ashen warren
rover
tawny garden
ye, what was that about?
hollow shell
byeah?
tawny garden
I starred the sugg and it unstarred
tawny garden
yes, only in gentalk you're not allowed
dapper coral
I starred the sugg and it unstarred
yeah that happens sometimes
tawny garden
never happened to me before
hollow shell
(acutally in this case it was cuz there was two and I deleted one)
(you starred the one I happened to delete)
dapper coral
oh funky
hollow shell
How's AquaNathan's Entropy sugg?
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/699359022364491868/740976205511000226
tawny garden
ye
dapper coral
sure
ashen warren
why not
dapper coral
(rover, it's a bit late for you innit? i can handle the rest if you want)
hollow shell
It is indeed a bit late
tawny garden
it's 3:24 am for him 👀
heady storm
Rover go to sleep. 
dapper coral
aighty, gnight then
tawny garden
oh, holy crap
ashen warren
huh
ashen warren
what do i need for trail mod?
hollow shell
Applications open up every few months
dapper coral
you can ask in gentalk
hollow shell
and you apply.
cobalt pewter
@ashen warren when applis are open
hollow shell
anyway gnight 👋
dapper coral
for the full process
ashen warren
sweet
cobalt pewter
Night
dapper coral
night
tawny garden
gn rover
dapper coral
So, groove’s alright? https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/699359022364491868/740978072177737768
heady storm
Looks fine yeah.
tawny garden
yea
woeful lantern
Yea
ashen warren
cant see it
ashen warren
oki
dapper coral
The issue I foresee with this one is that soma prime is dev wep
tawny garden
It’s in voting now, that’s why
what?
dapper coral
Who’s is it?
heady storm
Yeah, and that they didn't necessarily have to mention that last bit.
dapper coral
Alexaa said they couldn’t see the previous one
But Chetto had stuck it in voting by that time
tawny garden
This item is dedicated to: Triactis/Tri
dapper coral
So it was gone from posting
tawny garden
ah, ok 
dapper coral
Ye, that’s the one we’re discussing now nathan
woeful lantern
Nvm
dapper coral
Tri is outta here right?
heady storm
The issue I foresee with this one is that soma prime is dev wep
Yeah, and that they didn't necessarily have to mention that last bit.
I think they are?
tawny garden
was Tri here previously?
dapper coral
The other issue is that mini gun is post dog so putting it in chain blaster recipe messes things up
As Ben said earlier
I think he was, but he’s been gone for a while if he has
I’ll ping ghost with this stuff then
tawny garden
and forums are 
aight, it's valid then
dapper coral
@iron night see what we said above, you can ignore the dev wep bit but fix the other stuff
Well it’s not quite valid, there’s some gaps in logic rn
So that’s that
The other user there isn’t really necessary but other than that?
woeful lantern
Sky mill sugg is ehh cause there plenty of other ways u can make momey in calamity
dapper coral
It’s not a big deal if the user is left in there, just unnecessary
And yeah, that’s true. But I guess that doesn’t mean there’s harm in removing one potential way
woeful lantern
It is valid but i dont really see many people selling it for gold
tawny garden
(oh and if he didn't come up with his sugg, then the "Suggestion Author" part is misleading, so it's not completely unnecessary)
ashen warren
good idea
tawny garden
and we need "Armor"
dapper coral
That is hilariously nit picky Philo
ashen warren
Armour is BrE
what does that mean
dapper coral
~~just like the calamity mod English translation 
~~
ashen warren
BrE?
dapper coral
It’s British English
subtle oracle
True, but idk if it matters who suggests it really
Wait uhh demik, which sugg Is this. Mobile is doing a funny
ashen warren
idc
dapper coral
Mjx
ashen warren
most of the time i use O without U
subtle oracle
Ah
dapper coral
Er
ashen warren
that suggestion was pretty good
dapper coral
The one we’re talking about now is mjx
tawny garden
ashen warren
where
subtle oracle
Mjx's sugg seems like a feat. We're talking whole armor sets
dapper coral
Mm
subtle oracle
I can see this being a long term goal tho
tawny garden
it's valid still
ashen warren
i love calamity art
dapper coral
Byeah i think it’s valid
tawny garden
irrelevant
ashen warren
for armor at least
dapper coral
Uh cool I guess, not really relevant here though
tawny garden
@sullen mica
dapper coral
Anyway I’ll pass it
subtle oracle
Go fer it
dapper coral
Bruh
tawny garden
(fuck, that was someone)
ashen warren
lmfao
dapper coral
Never underestimate the names of humans
subtle oracle
Anyways, there are still some more in posting
dapper coral
Last one for tonight
ashen warren
yessir
dapper coral
subtle oracle
Oh aight
dapper coral
Since everything else hasn’t quite been up for 12 hours yet
tawny garden
it's grammar is kinda screwed up
subtle oracle
I have no clue who's sugg this is fuck mobile discord ahhh
tawny garden
((my mobile discord works perfectly fine))
dapper coral
Discord, like wiki editing, is fear on mobile
subtle oracle
(I have no clue if mine is borked then)
Ye, punctuation is missing but shouldn't be much of a problem
heady storm
Too many things are spooky on mobile indeed.
dapper coral
So, besides the grammar which is passable, any issues?
tawny garden
yea, it's fine
subtle oracle
Its valid yep
tawny garden
tl;dr: it's repetitive & boring
woeful lantern
yes
dapper coral
Aighty
tawny garden
((I'm able to edit on mobile. so fucking proud))
robust lava
This sugg will need to be reformatted to have the main point in the first line
Also, I don’t actually understand the point of the sugg
Do they want more weapons with that functionality, or do they want it to be removed from the weapon?
ashen warren
life regen is much worse than 8 defense
lol
but i do agree that there should be a different way to make the light pet normal
tawny garden
@deep hornet replace your "Albeit kind of inconsequential I'd simply like this to be heard." with a title to your sugg
deep hornet
Done
tawny garden
robust lava
I’m still not sure if the sugg itself says what you want changed. I’m assuming you want the block piercing ability removed?
deep hornet
Not entirely, just wanted the weapons behavior of the weapon passing through tiles indefinitely to be altered. Got a section of the undergound almost fully xrayed just by it
clever canopy
Yeah it could pierce through x amount of tiles before dissipating
robust lava
Maybe that could be added to the suggestion then, in place of the “look over the piercing capabilities” part?
cobalt pewter
Question: What makes cave exploration great with Turbulance aside from infinite block piercing? The weapon giving off light naturally?
civic gust
yeah
cobalt pewter
Yeah that specific trait can be nerfed then
Players would still be able to use flask of fire in phm to light up, but now you need a bit of effort to get the flask itself
vagrant zenith
I mean spelunker potions exist
real steppe
You can't have spelunker potions all the time (unless AlchNPC or something) and brewing one yourself requires maintenance
unkempt bolt
it definitely seems like an unintended benefit of the weapon
and while it isn’t that huge a game changer since spelunkers are incredibly easy to make, its still something i don’t think belongs in the game
tawny garden
adding new loot means lowering the chance of existing one dropping (unless you allow 2 items to drop)
and lowering the chance with my shitty luck is 
unkempt bolt
lowering the chance of existing meaningless weapons existing though
i keep searching for life drain but alas, i keep getting a usable weapon
cobalt pewter
Now that I think about it, guaranteed weapon drops (this is most prevalent in bosses, but it also happens with biome mimics) can sometimes be overlapped if you're on rev
Maybe with the new items the chance can be raised for all items in biome mimic loot table?
radiant meadow
Turbulance isn't supposed to tile phase
It's supposed to explode into wind slashes
I'll fix that
distant gyro
radiant meadow
I must've messed up when trying to refactor
wooden wedge
Is thelegend27's slagnum sugg fine to be approved?
wooden wedge
Were they pinged over how it could be improved?
vital ore
uhm got a somewhat easy suggestion i believe....when trying to refund from the bandit, let the player see how much u got refunded
like when u trade strange plants with dye trader, or when u reforge at tinkerer, it shows what u picked up
vagrant zenith
Caustic staff exists
broken basin
Yo will calamity be part of journey mode, like when tmodloader updates to 1.4, can we play journey mode with calamity?
karmic stone
yes, that will eventually happen
tawny garden
you can't make a suggestion based on that yet
iron night
@dapper coral did i fix it?
tawny garden
I think you did (?)
i just don;t understand
@ashen warren what do you not understand? you gotta be more specific
radiant meadow
meaning you would need to get one weapon twice for both
you still need to get 2 chain guns
radiant meadow
I think you should just
radiant meadow
remove chain gun from OCB recipe
but at the same time, it doesn't really matter
since after doggo, you have to refight frost moon
you're more than likely to get another chain gun while farming endothermic energy
@iron night you should probably remove that tidbit about needing the same weapon twice and focus more on tying the two chain gun upgrades together. because your solution still dictates two chain guns
@dense fiber the reasoning on your slag magnum suggestion is really weak. I think it would help to provide Portabulb as an example to show it's not something out of the ordinary.
ashen warren
the slag magnum one is like
well
its perfectly fine and there would be no problems with it being accepted and whatnot
but like
i can't type what I'm thinking
oh well
plush pilot
I dont know all lore items effects but if you dont have one, could you make one that let's you respawn with full hp
plush pilot
Ok thanks!
ashen warren
you have to rightclick with it
in hotbar
then its perm unless you rightclick again
weak field
That's not a lore item
ashen warren
he was asking for a item to do such thing
i told him of a existing one
the end
two items with the same exact use are no good
plush pilot
@ashen warren your right
iron night
sugg too complicated for me to get to work so i deleted
tawny garden
rip sugg
pale glacier
@civic gust could you add a gap between the title and the body of your suggestion? The bot needs it to post it in voting
civic gust
it just takes the whole message and chucks it there afaik
radiant meadow
as long as you have a linebreak
civic gust
yeah
radiant meadow
which there is one
civic gust
uh so beyond the spacing, how good/bad is the idea?
radiant meadow
@deep hornet btw, I fixed Turbulance phasing through tiles. That was unintended.
civic gust
so you said it bursts into shards, will they do damage or no?
pale glacier
Ah cool, didn't know that
violet dagger
anyways im not surprised
radiant meadow
It came this update
south sleet
got a pitch for a suggestion that I wanna run by you guys
would anyone be for or opposed to weapons in their tooltips displaying their potential dps in action
like what i mean is weapons like the staff of blushie says it only does like 1 magic damage but in action it clearly does way way more, and normally, the late game weapons that have lower dps counts on the weapon itself end up having effects that make it broken
but unless you already know about what it can do, it sometimes makes it hard to know what you should focus on making with these huge crafting trees when a post DoG weapon appears to have the same up front dps as an early hardmode weapon
ashen warren
dps takes into account a lot of factors so like
sinful steeple
Probably wouldn't work because there's all sorts of things that increase dps
radiant meadow
like one major factor is one target vs multiple targets
south sleet
yeah i thought so but i mean, just some sort of indicator that the weapon youre about to build isnt absolute shit
does one just need to refer to the rarity for that?
sinful steeple
There's enemy defence, buffs you have and all that junk
south sleet
maybe just like raw vanilla damage scaled to how much it deals to a super dummy
sinful steeple
Then that'd be kinda inaccurate
south sleet
just something so i know if a weapon is actually worth the craft without having to check the wiki to see how it works
sinful steeple
Also dps isn't the only factor in if a weapon is good or not
A theoretical example would be like something that has low dps but can inflict crush depth a lot, which would make it way better than the dps makes it sound
south sleet
yeah but a lot of the weapons that deal big status effects like that dont even tell you what status effects they inflict
zealous ridge
well the debuff thing isnt my favorite example
loud cloak
wait wtf one of my suggestions was approved?!?!
zealous ridge
most debuffs arent very... good
and by that i mostly mean dots
unless theyre way before the tier they come from
but your point holds merit
even if that example is not the strongest i feel
sinful steeple
I mean crush depth in hardmode does 200 dps reduced by defence so it can be pretty good
zealous ridge
yeah but now we're talking about dps
so its still a matter of how much damage per second a weapon is doing
sinful steeple
Yeah but dps by dot debuffs isn't counted as something the weapon does, so even if the effective dps is much higher the stated dps would be way worse
zealous ridge
well thats assuming that the system wouldnt account for dot damage
regardless of if its counted as something the weapon does it contributes to the weapon's overall dps
i feel a better example would be debuffs with more utility focus
broadly speaking, DoTs are a flat damage increase that procs of course, every second
so there's not really utility besides dealing damage
on the other hand something like defense decreases have more utility
the effect is similar, more damage
ashen warren
its a very cool idea to show dps but as multiple people have said thats a whole thing for devs to do if its even possible to begin with
zealous ridge
absolutely
ashen warren
you'know
zealous ridge
it doesnt sound like a very easy thing to do
and if its even worth the effort is questionable
because people can reasonably already find out there dps
ashen warren
a way to sorta fix your issue-though this is assuming the materials were something you already have or are easy to get- is to get lan's uncraft mod and make it give all materials back
so you can make something and get materials back if you didn;t like it
though i know this doesn't solve all scenarios
not nearly all scenarious
scenarios