ye
#suggestions-discussion
violet dagger
vagrant zenith
I'll just delete it someone better than me will notice it and get killtimes anyways
dapper coral
...alright, i guess. up to you
distant gyro
I think ||Snake Eyes|| are sufficiently good because it can tilephase
unlike almost everything else
tawny garden
yea, they go through walls
dapper coral
nice
vagrant zenith
TPE too tho
hollow shell
How's Thomas's NPC evil item sugg?
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/699359022364491868/740795070030282783
sturdy geyser
yes
dapper coral
sure
tawny garden
yea
golden narwhal
Seems cool
violet dagger
yes
hollow shell
lemme check
violet dagger
and test it
violet dagger
yes thats loud
also isnt that the sound in overhaul for screaming when theres fire
hollow shell
Nah
Last I checked that's a different royalty free sound
(which is also used for SCP 096)
whole sedge
I can see how that could get really annoying if you're fighitng ravager a lot
dense fiber
How do I put letters in bold for the suggestions?
hollow shell
** on both sides
tawny garden
dude that scream
dense fiber
Like this wait no
violet dagger
wonder what it was gonna be used for
hollow shell
one * for italics, 2 for bold
dense fiber
Thanks
tawny garden
**Bold**
violet dagger
- Wonder how the sugg bot would handle color text like this
Not sure
violet dagger
it'd probably just put the code
tawny garden
no, it'll handle the color
violet dagger
interesting
tawny garden
hm, how exactly did you do it? gonna verify my statement
untold cargo
Cus pun funni
hollow shell
This was the other one, other than Portabulb, that I remembered
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/622573719750967337
tawny garden
what is this obsession with pun names
dense fiber
No idea but it is kinda fun to say.
ancient mirage
They're puns
golden narwhal
Yes
violet dagger
the way to get red is
diff- Red Text
with everything on different lines(it's complicated to explain)
anyways this is getting off topic
violet dagger
dont think so
hollow shell
"using matching wings and armor just feels right" still there
Right, and before I forget
@golden zodiac You need to have a separate spoiler tags for your top line and the rest of your suggestion, or else the bot will screw it up when it separates them
wooden wedge
violet dagger
ye
sturdy geyser
yes
violet dagger
maybe just add to the suggestion to have a circle indicating the where the line is
since just going somewhere and burning to death without knowing can be confusing
golden narwhal
Ye
tawny garden
Wonder how the sugg bot would handle color text like this
perfectly in the reason, but not in the title
gray nebula
im pretty sure someone already suggested the slagnum thing?
violet dagger
i thought we were past talking about this but ok
untold cargo
Yep
hollow shell
about 8 months ago yeah
violet dagger
so past cutoff for bluecheck
gray nebula
wait this long ago???
hollow shell
... actually no it was 11 months ago
gray nebula
time flies
tawny garden
but the bluecheck moved
violet dagger
i recall this week there was a sugg for indicating AS get a telegraph for his spin attack
not sure if it was smth else tho
radiant meadow
The reasoning is weak on the slag magnum sugg.
wooden wedge
so should I just approve immunes sugg?
violet dagger
yes
violet dagger
just they need to format it a bit
dense fiber
Admittedly yeah I guess so what should I fix about it?
radiant meadow
it's formatted fine
hollow shell
The formatting is fine yes
violet dagger
but ye the sugg is valid
wooden wedge
violet dagger
yes
tawny garden
ye
safe sail
i mean you can get all the components pre hm now
violet dagger
that's a good idea
safe sail
makes no sense to still have it locked
violet dagger
to make it require purified gel
dense fiber
That one seems fine I do believe the grand gelatin is basically only used to craft the absorber
radiant meadow
it was used before the update and literally nothing changed about it
safe sail
also is it me or does absorber use rover drive but not have a similar effect in it
or at least not in the tooltip
hollow shell
Indeed, it does not inherit that effect
radiant meadow
it doesn't need a similar effect
hollow shell
yet
radiant meadow
it already gives its own defense and such
violet dagger
time to suggest that ||Rover Drive|| in absorber will summon rover to help you in battle
dense fiber
Does he correct and help you with your english skills in battle too?
hollow shell
yes
heady storm
clever canopy
Is there something I need to change about my rogue wings suggestion? I’ve noticed later suggestions have been approved
tawny garden
using matching wings and armor just feels right
this sentence is weird
you could elaborate why
clever canopy
Only ping I saw was about the spoiler tag, I can change that
heady storm
Wait what.
wooden wedge
to check your mentions go to the inbox in the top right corner
heady storm
Go to this yeah.
clever canopy
Edited, is that better?
Pretty much stole rovers wording as it was basically what I was thinking anyway
violet dagger
looks good to me now
tawny garden
hollow shell
Cool
north wing
any thoughts on my post
wooden wedge
also references for the sake of references are a don't
north wing
alright
hollow shell
It's definitely NOT a reference to Technoblade
wooden wedge
even more when they're the wrong reference
hollow shell
It's from Warhammer 40K
Dates back to like, 2006
north wing
sorry
dapper coral
I think a dps test would be in order for Influx’s
I don’t suppose they’ve been pinged about it already?
hollow shell
They weren't but I remember seeing them in chat
Let's do it anyway
@civic gust You got DPS numbers or boss kill times to back up your sugg?
dapper coral
And was there an issue with spoiler tagging the whole thing instead of title and reasoning separately?
hollow shell
Yes I pinged that guy
dapper coral
Aight
ashen warren
are emote sugmas allowed
ashen warren
okay cool, ty
dapper coral
As long as you got a reason, sure
tawny garden
actually, the reason was always something like "this is cool and it fits calamity"
even though most of the time I felt that there was no connection
ashen warren
does it have to fit calamity :/
tawny garden
no
frail mantle
being clam themed helps
hollow shell
It does help
ashen warren
i mean it's kinda an overused emote but like non-nitro plebs exist
such as me
and it's not here so like
hollow shell
you wanna send it in this channel first?
frail mantle
you mostly just need to fuckin
explain which situations it's used in and why the emotes in this server don't really cover said situation
(at least that's what i did)
ashen warren
Add LETSFUCKINGGOOOOO as an emote
there's certain situations where the emotes already present in the server don't show as much emotion as LETSFUCKINGGOOOOO. adding this emote to the server, despite not being calamity-related, can help proliferate the convos in a gracious and powerful manner. https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/724485106256969759.png?v=1
weak field
sturdy geyser
i mean why not
radiant meadow
that looks like someone stuck teeth on a tennis ball now that I look at it
ashen warren
it's a screaming tennis ball yeah
civic pond
dense fiber
No custom emotes for me
But I suppport that emote
I think we need a LETSFUCKINGGGOOOOO emote
dapper coral
iban is pleased with this suggestion
dense fiber
Is this a trap?
dapper coral
hopefully not
ashen warren
should i post it then
dapper coral
sure
dense fiber
Go ahead
dapper coral
^ case in point
ashen warren
iban do you happen to have it without the watermark
gray nebula
the watermark is part of the charm
sturdy geyser
I love watermarks
dapper coral
why is this
sturdy geyser
me when iban commits spam 😔
dapper coral
that reminds me of the eater of pogu someone put in gentalk last night, it's cursed
subtle oracle
Makes this a thing yo
hollow shell
@spring cosmos Your suggestion has to be formatted with your suggestion idea at the top on a separate line (shift+enter) and your reasoning below
spring cosmos
fixed it
hollow shell
(because of the bot we have set up)
Ye that's better
Can you elaborate on what makes it annoying?
spring cosmos
the noise mainly, and the particles
hollow shell
Apparently they don't make noise in the most recent update
according to the ping that made that suggestion be 🏁 marked as completed
You playing the most recent update?
spring cosmos
yes
hollow shell
hmst
@hearty yew You did said ping in the dev server, so can you confirm or deny?
dapper coral
mfw i clicked on the link even though it says it comes from dev server
limber ocean
same
golden narwhal
pale glacier
100% AGREE WITH RAPH
radiant meadow
You can just check source, can't you?
iirc, it wasn't completely muted
just made noise less often
hollow shell
indeed, didn't think it'd be obvious
but yeah there's a 1/20 chance for each impact to make a sound
(Ozz said in the ping it was totally muted)
radiant meadow
he was either mistaken
or I muted it
and then decided it should still make some sounds
but I was the one who did it, not Ozz
Ozz probably saw a git commit or somethin'
hollow shell
aight
hearty yew
i read git commit message which said, "stopped the noise"
or similar
so I assumed it was totally gone
hollow shell
m, understandable
gleaming pumice
Does anyone else agree with me that bloodstained glove needs a buff
1 hp heal for a stealth strike
dapper coral
it's been discussed before iirc
gleaming pumice
So not worth suggesting
unreal viper
Nah
gleaming pumice
Bc it would be cool if it was a bit more unique than a heal
Maybe like it gives something like faster regen
Like the palladium set bonus
hollow shell
You could suggest something about it if you want
dapper coral
i don't think anything ever came of the discussions, so feel free to post something Thunder
the most recent posts about it were izzy asking for buffs twice
in june
so go ahead
gleaming pumice
Yea we were talking abt it in the no hit server
And thought might as well suggest something different than just make the heal better
clever canopy
It could be a 10% crit increase since the corruption variant is 10% damage, which would put it in line with the rage/wrath potions
Then perhaps the electricians glove could be reworked to require both and give a mix of damage and crit buffs instead of only damage
hollow shell
@ashen lark So, #changelogs?
dapper coral
mmmmmm i feel like we've had a lot of these in the past
recently
where people are suggesting extra ways to document progress that are more or less redundant
gray nebula
no I don't think that's the sugg
ashen lark
No like a video of doing everything
gray nebula
they're asking for a sort of video thing about how we make the update
dapper coral
is that more effort than it's worth though?
gray nebula
would be great if we didn't already finish out a big part of the next update
idk it would probably make for a neat informative vid
subtle oracle
Isn't some of this on the Calamity YouTube channel??
ashen lark
#changelogs isn't (I'm guessing) anything like the actual mod development. There's lots of bugs and stuff that delay it and other problems.
hollow shell
I guess it doesn't include a lot of the testing that happens 24/7
ashen lark
I'm just going to edit something based on ibans info
hollow shell
Mostly balance-based but bug-based too
distant gyro
clip compilation of actual mod development, pain
gray nebula
closest thing in the yt would be that one donuts speed animation
clever canopy
Sounds like something that would only be made if a dev was passionate about it and wanted to make it
limber ocean
it has to have an epilogue where it's a sneak peek at the devs chilling and just sending emoji spam in the dev server
real steppe
I'm no dev but I am 100% sure keeping track of your progress while trying to organize and explain them to your audience is hard
Right, devs?
ashen lark
I guessing it's going to be a series if so because updates can take several weeks.
subtle oracle
That is what im mentioning iban ye
hollow shell
I mean the whole video would be Discord chat screenshots cuz it's not like we talk about this through voice very often at all
gray nebula
this speed anim is kinda nowhere near an actual full thing
I like the idea tho
and it wouldn't be a series for the simple reason that it wouldn't be released as we dev the update
no spoilers lul
ashen lark
Ig
limber ocean
screenshot be like
"Fuck, I was coding the boss and when I tried to see if the attack worked, it moved at 1000% its intended movement speed, oneshot me, and flew into the distance"
ashen lark
Unless you release during next update development
gray nebula
and even if its just discord chats there's probably a way to make it work
with post commentary
limber ocean
but yeah, if it were a thing, it could be released after its corresponding version so as to not spoil stuff
ashen lark
Yeah.
gray nebula
like these game dev blog things where the person goes through all that's happening
idk how easy it would be to make it interesting tho
ashen lark
Yea, very interesting
gray nebula
also the people that dislike the mod probably won't change their opinions on the matter just because "oh video"
ashen lark
Some toxic may, as they realise the effort put in.
gray nebula
well no, not very interesting because if its just "oh we discuss this, oh we sprite it, oh we code it" it won't be entertaining
and some maybe but that's not the reason most people dislike the mod
gleaming pumice
Ive seen ppl say it puts in less effort bc of the bigger staff team
Which i dont fucking get at all
golden narwhal
gleaming pumice
So a video wont change their mind
golden narwhal
That's ... yea
gleaming pumice
Look in the replys of one of the top comments of the trailer
you may see me getting a little angy
limber ocean
yeah, people can be really dumb
gray nebula
right there was this one dude that argued with paragraphs about how the mod is bad
gleaming pumice
Yup
real steppe
huh
dapper coral
essentially, there are a large amount of people who's minds cannot be changed that apparently developing epic gameplay is instant, and seeing the process won't fix em
unfortunate, but that's the way of things
real steppe
Honestly, I don't understand 70% of the "criticisms" about the mod
And I'm not sugarcoating at all
gray nebula
eh
real steppe
Some "criticisms" are just straight up bull
gray nebula
I know multiple people who dislike the mod and their reasons for it aren't that bad
mostly just differing views and standards
limber ocean
I mean
it's one thing to not like the mod
but saying that it's trash tier and that it takes no work is just... blatantly false
gleaming pumice
Yea stuff like this
violet dagger
some people come up with stupid arguments such as the fact that its balanced around itself which is just where the actual fuck did you think thats a valid reason
gleaming pumice
Yea its a mod for terraria not other mods
violet dagger
also "calam has vanilla ais" most of them are from 2016
gray nebula
based based based based
"thorium has 10 dollars patreon items but calamity has 50 dollar ones"
based based based
go donate to thorium then
gleaming pumice
Not that hard
gray nebula
if we made patreon items 10 dollars holy fuck we would be flooded with them
violet dagger
also someone made an argument that fabsol is a prick because stuff in calam conflicts with other mods???
gray nebula
litterally spending more time making patreon items than developing other stuff 
we do all of them but because it's 50 dollars there's less
limber ocean
don't listen to that kind of people
gray nebula
of course we don't do them all at once but we have a quota per update we try to respect
limber ocean
y'all are doing some amazing shit with this mod
gray nebula
and thorium has pretth strict rules on patreon items anyways
unreal viper
Thorium does, ye
Ye
I could afford that
I’m kinda sad that I can’t, but whatevs.
violet dagger
found it
hollow shell
I'd rather this convo not stray too much
gleaming pumice
I should donate for a lightning shooting pickaxe
unreal viper
Ye
dapper coral
anyway
point is
it's not really worth the effort to convince people that devs are working hard
because those people won't change
unreal viper
Recording the process seems kinda cool, but a lot of effort
violet dagger
i dont even want to attempt to point out everything wrong in that "essay"
hollow shell
The people really won't change.
unreal viper
It’d be cool to know how the mod is made
But not worth the devs effort imo
Rather have them spend time making it.
violet dagger
also i like how theyre hating that calam has modes based off of other games
gleaming pumice
I tried to get into modding bc I was decent at coding but was to lazy to figure it out
violet dagger
like other mods also dont have other stuff based of other games
hollow shell
(stop)
violet dagger
alright
limber ocean
rev+ is just stat buffs
what
hollow shell
stop
limber ocean
sorry, sorry, mb
gray nebula
about the suggestion, this probably wouldn't take time from normal development because the series will prolly be made after the update releases anyways
I mean there's like asking coders / spriters to record a bit of what they're doing yeah but that's not a massive time loss
violet dagger
i guess calam channel first video could be considered that in a way
showing cooper animating the profaned guardians
gray nebula
already said that but it's just a speed animation which doesn't really tell much about the development process as a whole and also speedpaints are boring
confirmed, unless you have some voice-over or something else to make it entertaining
radiant meadow
this isn't really something you can record.
development has many facets and is a collective effort on many individuals.
and well, updates can take months
violet dagger
I think it'd be cool to have devs talk about development and stuff but ye it'd delay updates and there isn't much to talk abt
radiant meadow
nanotech probably is better off not getting these healing buffs
electrician's glove should be fine tho
gleaming pumice
Yea it probably has enough effects as it is
hollow shell
puh
10 gold versus 5 silver
yknow that people could just buy 200 Sake when the Travelling Merchant shows up...
and that would be as much as 1 Sake from DP in that case
@wild fiber
dapper coral
yeah that's quite a difference
hollow shell
You can just suggest that the Sake be more expensive when sold by her so that it's a deal with the Travelling Merchant (and to fit with all of DP's drinks being expensive)
but don't give an exact price
subtle oracle
That is overpriced ye
wild fiber
My reasoning for that price
is that it's effect is similar in power to other things of that price
it would also prevent people from buying 200 Sake from her but not from Travelling merchant
if you want it now, you pay a premium
dapper coral
that's a rather high premium
wild fiber
It's a guaranteed source
dapper coral
and anyway it shouldn't be that specific
wild fiber
Bloody Maries are only slightly stronger than it and it's 15 gold
and only work for while in a Blood Moon
so you could argue it's too cheap at the traveling merchant as well
I'll remove the price suggestion but I feel that there is 3 main reasons for it:
- Guaranteed source.
- Similar in power to others in that price bracket.
- Fairly easy guaranteed source to obtain.
wild fiber
I'll remove the exact price.
dapper coral
👍
wild fiber
I just felt it should be priced similar to the others due to it's buff
novel belfry
quick question: how does the current amalgam fare now?
civic gust
@hollow shell i dont have exact kill times or anything like that, but for an example, even with full glass after full adren charge and using it as well, it still couldnt kill even one of ravager's arms
hollow shell
m, such things would help your sugg.
If you don't feel like doing the tests then you could just include that anecdote in the sugg
civic gust
aight i'll add that in a bit, im a bit busy rn
hollow shell
aight
dapper coral
about Lucien's, what tooltips are closely shared with godslayer inferno?
astral infection for sure
idk any others
civic gust
oh and about another unrelated sugg ive been thinking of writing, what if a weapon is broken as hell if you use it in a specific way, but is balanced if you use it normally?
dapper coral
example?
civic gust
neptune's bounty
(note with glass) if i use it while flying in a zigzag bait pattern like the one levi used for his cosmic kunai video, and shoot it straight up while using an adren, then you get maximum efficiency out of each projectile because they always travel down, and that allowed me to 100-40 dog with that one adren
dapper coral
mm
ashen warren
adrenaline is kinda a bad way to measure how great a weapon is
civic gust
yeah that is admittedly bad
but considering that i didnt stack projectiles before adren
it's sort of a way of measuring raw power
again, i can test it without after i finish my class
dapper coral
thing is, that's really difficult to change in any way without reworking the weapon
ashen warren
you can give the boss more DR against that weapon
civic gust
yeah so my suggestion is to make the split projectiles come on either side like phantasmal fury so that you cant abuse it like this, and then slightly reduce damage
that wont work misi because its just a standard wep if yo dont use the strat
ashen warren
fair enough
hollow shell
Lucien's tooltip sugg all good?
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/699359022364491868/740940242365972552
dapper coral
i was gonna say that maybe some examples of similar tooltips would be good for showing its genericness
gleaming pumice
Maybe like your soul is being extinguished
hollow shell
(not those kinds of examples, Thunder)
gleaming pumice
Oh sorry
hollow shell
Examples of ones currently like GSI
violet dagger
doggo is eating your essence
hollow shell
@fiery rapids For your suggestion, can you include some examples of other similar buff tooltips to show that it's generic?
Or just, explain why it is generic versus the one you proposed, I guess
novel belfry
how does the Amalgam work right now? I've heard it was reworked, but the wiki says otherwise?
radiant meadow
Wiki takes time to update
warped pollen
Can I make a suggestion for a zerg potion upgrade?
warped pollen
Ok sure
cobalt pewter
30x spawnrate 
hollow shell
I would like to point out that Zerg, Battle, Water Candle, and Chaos Candle do all stack
unreal viper
The amalgam inlflicts debuffs when you get hit iirc, and you get the bonuses for being underwater while touching the poisonous seawater. @novel belfry
novel belfry
k, but what about the pet it summons?
violet dagger
the fungal clump?
novel belfry
was it changed? if not, i'll be right back
indigo fog
Amalgam's fungal clump was changed so that the lifesteal is more frequent, but the amount of healing is lowered, instead of it being 1 fat heal with a cooldown of forever
violet dagger
who else remembers when fungal clump made raving mushroom crab friendly
violet dagger
amalgam might be worth using now
unreal viper
Always has been
indigo fog
is the seawater just as strong as old amalgam's seawater?
violet dagger
nah we all know the sponge is superior to the amalgam
unreal viper
Idk
indigo fog
it did pretty good damage when it did hit but it had less range than old murasama
radiant meadow
I guess technically it has lower base damage and has worse i frames than before
indigo fog
if it is just as strong that sounds like a really good damage buff to the fungal clump
radiant meadow
but it's spawned by the clump now so it hits way more often
since the clump is a lot faster now
cobalt pewter
I wanted to suggest but idk if it's been a thing in Calamity yet: Did Goblin Army enemies get buffed in Hardmode?
radiant meadow
cal doesn't do it, idk if vanilla does
cobalt pewter
Ah, vanilla doesn't yes
They only add summoner in hm
Which is kinda low effort imo
civic gust
i have returned with more extensive testing
I fought duke fishron with this loadout, nohit and all acc with menacing, and i checked how much health he had left after using 1st adren. i used adren at the same moment for each of the weapons, at the beginning of a charge that would go on to a cthulhunado spawn, for maximum damage and fairest testing
cobalt pewter
What weapons are we talking aboot here anyway
gleaming pumice
How many no hits did you do??
dapper coral
neptune's bounty iirc?
civic gust
Results were:
Fallen Paladin: 51.4%
Hellfire Flamberge: 57.1%
Subduction Slicer: 62.1%
Influx Waver: 71.4%
you can see a massive difference
(i also used caustic staff for cursed flame and ichor)
cobalt pewter
Where do you get flamb and slicer in the progression?
gleaming pumice
ofc influx wants the influx waver to be good
gleaming pumice
But yea i agree it should get a buff
civic gust
there is literally no point using it at all
cobalt pewter
Should be at least
gleaming pumice
And pretty slow too iirc
radiant meadow
I mean, last time it was tested it killed pbg in a timely manner.
cobalt pewter
Ravager has a couple segments, would take quite a bit time for testing
I'd say PBG
civic gust
the gaps between weapons for pbg are rather smaller, but still there
cobalt pewter
Ahh
cobalt pewter
Quite close shave
civic gust
Subduction 78.7%
aand i dont have one of IW 
brb
pbg is just kind of cbt to test
fishron is static tho so that's good
IW: 83%
so yeah gaps are smaller, but stil noticable
not to mention that IW is also just quite bad for crowd control
is rav testing necessary?
cobalt pewter
I don't know
radiant meadow
I think Influx Waver on Deus would be
cobalt pewter
Like
radiant meadow
terrible
civic gust
^
cobalt pewter
Out of options for testing already
Aside from rav
Unless you wanna try aureus or smth
radiant meadow
then just post the tests you have
radiant meadow
you don't need to test 50 things
heady storm
It's fine yeah.
civic gust
yay
dapper coral
Aighty
civic gust
now watch no one vote for it
heady storm
Send it to the voting stations Demik.
dapper coral
It is done
heady storm
Oki.
dapper coral
Later influx
heady storm
This gamerbread person was already told to unspoiler their suggestion and also either remove the new projectile change or have it so the current blood geysers are more threatening.
heady storm
dapper coral
ashen warren
are we allowed to suggest new enemies? i read the "don't-s" but i forgot
in the same case, what about a new type of enemies
dapper coral
Not really, no
You can perhaps suggest adjustments to existing enemies, but not new enemies altogether
ashen warren
alright can we discuss the suggestion i cant post?
ashen warren
idk maybe the devs will like the idea in general and something similar
hollow shell
@wild fiber What? Why?
wild fiber
Just suggested something insane, crucify me
radiant meadow
You can suggest new enemies if it's not specific
wild fiber
AH already a reply lol
hollow shell
You need to add a reason to your suggestion
radiant meadow
E.g. add more crag enemies
wild fiber
Ight
ashen warren
aha, what about a new mechanic?
hollow shell
(Also don't use exact numbers in your suggestion, like those percents)
dapper coral
Yeah, actually I thought it was there and it wasn’t
dapper coral
Apologies
ashen warren
new type of fishing enemies
radiant meadow
I think old duke is enough
ashen warren
not that
hollow shell
Zandorum, what do you mean it's "a waste"?
Shadowspec tier is after SCal, all the weapons are balanced for being at that tier
cobalt pewter
Yeah that last sugg doesn't make a shred of sense to me
dapper coral
That’s the point of shadowspec
wild fiber
It just feels like there's no point of shadowspec
hollow shell
Boss Rush exists
dapper coral
Is to use it for BR and whatever comes after
cobalt pewter
Bruh?
radiant meadow
Dev weapons in mid hardmode isn't happening
wild fiber
Yeah but there's no reason to do Boss Rush
hollow shell
You get your funny reward rock
ashen warren
wtf
wild fiber
Egh
radiant meadow
Dev weapons will always be after the last boss
hollow shell
It's meant to be your final challenge
radiant meadow
This will never change
wild fiber
At 0.1% Revengence, 1% Death Mode
ashen warren
no
dapper coral
If you don’t wanna take it then don’t
ashen warren
bad
dapper coral
Again, no specific percentages
wild fiber
maybe 0.01% Rev, 0.1% Death Mode?
cobalt pewter
Just no
wild fiber
I just want something to use it on that I feel like has purpose
ashen warren
it has
cobalt pewter
No
ashen warren
boss rush
wild fiber
maybe if Boss Rush actually rewarded something with worth
radiant meadow
Dev gear will only be tier shifted later
ashen warren
shifted higher
hollow shell
That's kinda the point
cobalt pewter
God this makes me cring
ashen warren
shifted to a higher tier
hollow shell
Boss Rush is only meant to be the challenge, because it's really hard
wild fiber
I get that but it's meh to me who is goal oriented
cobalt pewter
Haha za warudo go time stop noises
radiant meadow
Then don't make shadowspec and move on
wild fiber
I don't
hollow shell
If it was a big fiery placeable trophy instead of the anticlimax rock, would that make it better?
radiant meadow
It's not getting obtained earlier
dapper coral
Not to mention that devs are not rebalancing an entire tier for midhardmode
radiant meadow
That's not negotiable
wild fiber
How about this
hollow shell
yeah the balance for this sugg would be absolutely ridiculous
dapper coral
Basically, it’s impractical and not gonna happen
cobalt pewter
I assume I'll reply with another "no"
violet dagger
And it's not like you'll be able to make anything since all of the other materials are post ml
wild fiber
"I want something post Scal that has a reward"
cobalt pewter
No, slowmode bad
hollow shell
Nah this is quite rare alexaa
violet dagger
hollow shell
Slowmode is annoying
radiant meadow
We don't need slowmo
ashen warren
eh sometimes
dapper coral
This channel doesn’t need slow mode , ye
ashen warren
because of too many people talking
hollow shell
You could suggest that Boss Rush give a more substantial reward I guess
wild fiber
I think 2 second slow mode would be good to stop people who type half sentences out of anger.
radiant meadow
That's something for mods to decide
dapper coral
Not often tbh
cobalt pewter
Slowmode b a d
dapper coral
Literally what is the point of a 2 second slowmode
ashen warren
yeah not needed
violet dagger
Slowmode=
ashen warren
by the time you raid some of the messages
wild fiber
I just said Demik, read
ashen warren
2 seconds pass
dapper coral
Anyway, the sugg is gone, move on
wild fiber
like this
cobalt pewter
Then you're just insinuating it
ashen warren
doing that is not allowed
wild fiber
Of course
cobalt pewter
No one does that atm
dapper coral
Which is silly because that’s not allowed anyways
ashen warren
yea
wild fiber
There was just alot of 1 word replies repeatedly
radiant meadow
Just move on from the slowmo thing
It's not your decision to make anyways
hollow shell
aight
You can make a suggestion about giving BR a more substantial reward
wild fiber
I feel like that goes against the point though tbh.
hollow shell
(but you should acknowledge that the current lack of reward is the point- yeah)
violet dagger
make the rock placeable as a normal stone block
ashen warren
it is good that you get no reward for boss rush
wild fiber
Make the rock usable at Dagannoth Kings to open the door
ashen warren
so it stays hard all the time
wild fiber
:>
hollow shell
I don't get that reference but I assume it's funny
heady storm
Make the rock driveable.
wild fiber
(Runescape reference, people who didn't have friends couldn't get into Dagannoth kings since it required two people to stand on specific spots to open the door so someone suggested you can drop a rock on it)
hollow shell
(ah)
ashen warren
so my fishing suggestion goes like this
you know how there is many critters in terraria that you cant fish with?
most of them are mammals
radiant meadow
Like bunnies
fiery rapids
@hollow shell sorry i didnt see your message
ashen warren
yes
violet dagger
fish with a gold fish
wild fiber
(but yeah I just want something to do with the end game gear that has purpose and isn't just self challenge since I see it as no different than going "Calamity but 
NO TELEPORTING?!")
ashen warren
what if you can fish out BEASTS with those?
and beasts can upgrade and change depending on progression
and different sea beasts depending world event
hollow shell
aight, be sure to edit your sugg Lucien like was described in the ping
wild fiber
Maybe some pets could be fished, I'd like to see more functional pets but you'd have to fight the pet to "subdue" it.
ashen warren
lmfao
wild fiber
They exist now?
hollow shell
Light pets are fine to have functions
ashen warren
calamity vanities got pets as i know
hollow shell
But we had one normal pet with a unique function and it caused problems
pale glacier
Speaking of fishing suggestions,
hollow shell
because you'd use literally no other pet ever
pale glacier
Add a harpoon that fishes instantly
I know I'm kinda taking this idea from fortnite, but having something that instantly fishes up stuff rather than having to wait would be a nice quality of life item for fishing.
wild fiber
Ok so make them all light pets
hollow shell
Maybe
wild fiber
Alexaa I wasn't saying make all pets light pets
fiery rapids
@hollow shell is it better now
ashen warren
maybe the harpoon can be used in beast fishing
pale glacier
I mean normal fishing is hella boring lets be real
hollow shell
I don't think the insta-fishing thing is a terrible idea
It could have some big downsides compared to normal fishing like way lower fishing power or something
ashen warren
that is the point
radiant meadow
Sounds kinda like Angler Enchant minus the extra lines
hollow shell
I'd like more options and dynamics when it comes to fishing
hollow shell
Yeah sure Lucien that's fine
pale glacier
Kinda yea Ben
hollow shell
(I didn't necessarily agree that your sugg needed editing anyway but it's better now)
ashen warren
ok rover what do you think of beast fishing?
hollow shell
Sounds a little specific
ashen warren
it just an adition to fishing
hollow shell
You might be able to phrase it in a way that works?
You wanna explain why it would be nice, Heisen?
cobalt pewter
I'd personally make fish bombs fish out fishing loot in correspondence to fishing power
(wait are fish bombs a thing?)
hollow shell
Yes but they're actual tile-breaking bombs
cobalt pewter
Yeah, they're just bomb reskin
pale glacier
Hmm will do rover, one sec
cobalt pewter
I'd rather have them "bomb" water pools for loot
ashen warren
ok, you use special bait to fish sea beasts, they can be different depending on the world event, biome and progression. this will add a new dimension to fishing
cobalt pewter
It's not essentially making fishing completely obsolete, but it makes everything fishing a lot faster
ashen warren
so what do you think devs?
hollow shell
Doesn't 1.4 have some fishing-enemy tie-ins with the Blood Moon?
cobalt pewter
Yeah, but they're just for loot
pale glacier
Yes it does
ashen warren
yes it is kinda like that
cobalt pewter
Blood Moon fishing loot is essentially triple layers of RNG fiesta
pale glacier
^^^
ashen warren
you can cheese prehardmode bloodmoon fishing
hollow shell
You could add to your sugg Heisen that they would be 'worse' for fishing overall compared to fishing rods (such as lower power or maybe being consumable)
so they're not immediately incentivized over fishing rods
cobalt pewter
Yeah
cobalt pewter
e.g. using it will significantly cut current fishing power
pale glacier
@hollow shell cool
cobalt pewter
Just an example
pale glacier
Added it
ashen warren
like in 1.4 they added dolphins, what if you can use them to fish out huge fish minibosses
dophins are an example btw
and gem critters
hollow shell
aight
(I personally would like if you mentioned lower power too but if you don't wanna that's okay ig)
ashen warren
what if you get a miniboss in the caveran layer for fishing in it
pale glacier
Idk having them have lower power too feels like too much of a downside
ashen warren
no
hollow shell
Well you're fishing at like 4x the speed
ashen warren
or use fargos insta fishing enchant
hollow shell
Still seems specific
If you back it up with enough reasoning for each of the aspects you think are most important about it, it could be an acceptable suggestion
ashen warren
ok fishing mini bosses a like is inspired by 1.4 blood moon fishing as you already know, that idea gave more depth to fishing and the event in general, so i thought it will be awesome to have something similar to it on a larger scale in calamity
the different types of bait, events and biomes that must be used is to make every fish unique and worth going for, and force the player to get the most of their time in events and biomes
mortal bison
Honestly i'm thinking about suggesting a legendary fishing rod with 1/30000 drop chance from fishing
Because fish ing
ashen warren
joost used to have that
mortal bison
Lmao did it?
mortal bison
I really wanted to use joost previously except it bugged the fuck out with calamity. I did complain to fabsol about it 2 years ago roughly and he was unsure of the issue then so was joost so i assumed it wouldn't get fixed for a while
But eh
ashen warren
there was no glitches with joost as i remember
mortal bison
I'd rather have a fishing power like 100% fishing rod with 10 lines or something just insanely dumb but is just stupidly rare
Nah it was framerate issues
Me and a friend got 20fps doing scal with joost enabled
100+ without
ashen warren
fixed
mortal bison
What was that about if you know?
mortal bison
Nah we didn't use joost accessories, calamity ones outclassed them
ashen warren
nope
mortal bison
We were thinking it was projectile related or just conflicting code
ashen warren
the cactus shield reflected 20x the contact damage
ashen warren
year?
mortal bison
Like 2018 i think
ashen warren
yeah pretty old
mortal bison
Ye
ashen warren
fixed
hollow shell
... uh
mortal bison
But honestly a rare fishing rod for the sake of just being stupid would be funny to implement
ashen warren
no specific numbers
radiant meadow
Stupidly high drop rate means super common
hollow shell
This is too specific, yes
And you need more reason beyond "Fishing is cool."
like, a lot more reason
ashen warren
but tbh 1/30000 and 1/25000 is common in the modding community
mortal bison
Better?
ashen warren
Rover
mortal bison
Basically the reason is that it would reward fishing over just "i feel like fishing now. Let's craft this"
ashen warren
how did suggestion from @azure jewel get accepted even tho it got 180 stars AFTER the change
hollow shell
It was in Posting before the raise.
The actual first suggestion the raised req applies to is this Astral Armor sugg https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/740491880483258430
Also Pecision you didn't fix your top line
"stupidly low drop rate" would be correct
ashen warren
ah i see
dapper coral
(also, try not to ping people if they're not the one who needs to answer the question or really see what you're talking about)
ashen warren
sorry but i couldn't see their name, just numbers
mortal bison
Honestly I wish discord had an option to use names but not ping them
hollow shell
Pro-tip (only found this out recently)
If you put the user's ID numbers into the search bar with a "from:", it'll show all the messages from the person
mortal bison
Ye i knew that
hollow shell
Helps for situations like these, where the bot craps out sometimes.
ashen warren
ah i see
mortal bison
You could just do from:alexaa then click their name
ashen warren
helps a lot
hollow shell
You could but sometimes you only have the numbers.
ashen warren
yea
mortal bison
That's fair
But yeah currently fishing doesn't really reward fishing it just requires spilling a few bars to make a fishing rod. I just want this to be some way to reward doing actual fishing
ashen warren
nah, fishing beasts is better
mortal bison
Fishing beasts?
ashen warren
what if when you use golden critters you get buffed version of the miniboss
Fishing beasts?
i have this idea where you can spawn fishing minibosses a like from fishing
maybe add a new type of fishing rods
harpoons someone said
mortal bison
That could work
Imo fishing just needs an overhaul to cater more to actually fishing
Like drop desert scourge and aquatic dropping angler stuff, just make fishing minibosses, add some rare fishing related drops for fishing etc
ashen warren
yea
mortal bison
Cause like as I said getting the devourer of cods for just playing the game bosses just feels like a slap that you can't progress through fishing by actually fishing
limber ocean
isn't that kind of a SIS
ashen warren
SIS?
mortal bison
I could just suggest overhauling fishing to be more fishing rewarding
mortal bison
With the examples we discussed, minibosses, fishing gear etc?
ashen warren
we are back at vanilla
mortal bison
@ashen warren not through angler though. Daily quest thing is just annoying
Just make it actual fishing
ashen warren
yeah like if you can make rods and upgrades to fishing only through fishing
i get you
mortal bison
So like take your rod and fish in areas to upgrade it etc
So maybe you have the fleshcatcher and you want to upgrade it, you go fish in hallow for an item then upgrade or something
ashen warren
upgradable? seems like a good idea
what if you can only upgrade the fleshcatcher in the crimson
mortal bison
Ooooo, but corruption worlds
ashen warren
yes yes
hollow shell
This suggestion is good, WanderingMercenary
mortal bison
I guess it works both ways
Maybe just make an evil based, or just create a fleshcatcher corruption alternative
wild vector
I really want it to be a thing...
ashen warren
wanderingmercenary, like wall of flesh lore?
wild vector
because I just want to have something better than Suspicious Eye as my light pet... but i'm never in the ocean to even use the Ocean Spirit
real steppe
Grand Gelatin is outclassed by early hardmode items?
radiant meadow
People really aren't going to relent on that, now are they
mortal bison
Honestly I just want more light pets lol
wild vector
and sure, like Wall of Flesh lore....
ashen warren
yeah seems simple enough
mortal bison
We have so many pets, like 3 extra calamity light pets
Oof
And none beat the susp eye
wild vector
Like look at the light pets we have... Giant Floating Eye... Lanturn from CrossOver...
radiant meadow
Sparks was pain
wild vector
And the few from Calamity that TOO BE BRUTALLY HONEST... the only neat one is Ocean Spirit
Sparks is.... a dragonfly... i mean it's neat... but... it's a dragonfly...
ashen warren
ben said pets with functions are pain
radiant meadow
Radiator light pet is the best iirc
ashen warren
so maybe just a lore item
radiant meadow
Sparks is a Spyro reference
mortal bison
Alchemistnpc adds a light pet with spelunker effect and honestly it's my favourite part of alchemistnpc
wild vector
the radiator pet is nice but... it's just weird...
mortal bison
I'd love if we had a similar light pet that provides potion related boosts like spelunker or dangersense
Hunter etc
wild vector
it's mainly a big personal gripe of mine where i'm doing this sort of Lore thing with my character
Male Terrarian who has a little spirit as his companion and the son of yharon
mortal bison
@radiant meadow ? I haven't downloaded rust and dust so i don't know yet. I'll check it out soon
radiant meadow
The harpoon sugg?
ashen warren
me and precision talked about
mortal bison
For angler stuff
ashen warren
you can only get the minibosses with an upgraded rod
radiant meadow
Is it in posting?
ashen warren
from the biome
mortal bison
I can quickly write a para to explain it if you want
ashen warren
not yet
mortal bison
Nah we were discussing it first
radiant meadow
I can't give an opinion then
mortal bison
Basically I don't like how you can progress normally and that's how to upgrade fishing. It feels like you aren't rewarded for fishing, then des and aqua scourge drop angler bits. I think it would be more rewarding if to upgrade your rod you needed biome specific items such as going to hallow to upgrade past fleshcatcher or something for example. Then past a certain fishing power minibosses spawn (from fishing in certain areas) which drop angler bits and more fishing items such as new items to upgrade. And maybe some more rare fishing only items that just drop when you're causally fishing if you're lucky. Rather then, "Ok i just got uelibloom. I feel like fishing" then you have an op fishing rod. It feels like a slap to scaling fishing by actually doing what you're supposed to. Imo.
@radiant meadow
ashen warren
yes it can be as annoying as upgrading hardmode pickaxes
ashen warren
upgrading fishing by doing fishing FUN stuff? YES
mortal bison
Like if you could do more for fishing to upgrade fishing then 1/30000 or something for a legendary fishing rod is ez basically
ashen warren
nah rare fishing pole seems like a lazy solution to a lame fishing system
mortal bison
Fair enough
Maybe a rare item to upgrade it once you have max
So 1/30000 to upgrade it past devourer of cods?
cobalt pewter
I'd love if we had a similar light pet that provides potion related boosts like spelunker or dangersense
@mortal bison actually one of Calamity's new pets does that
ashen warren
cool♥
cobalt pewter
I think it's a Deus drop?
cobalt pewter
Lemme check
radiant meadow
||chromatic orb|| is the name
mortal bison
Ohhhhhhhhhh
mortal bison
||soulja boy time||
mortal bison
Fair enough
cobalt pewter
20% drop from Deus
mortal bison
But yeah overhaul fishing imo
ashen warren
yes
radiant meadow
Cal will not add any summoner whips before tmod 1.4
azure jewel
Was wondering why I got pinged here lol
dapper coral
(sorry, Plural)
azure jewel
Didn't know my suggestion got pushed through that's cool
subtle knoll
@radiant meadow ok sorry, I didn’t know
azure jewel
Nah it's cool now worries
subtle knoll
Where is the doc
ashen warren
precision can you work our suggestion
hollow shell
Pins.
radiant meadow
I'm going to delete it.
hollow shell
The "Suggestion "Don't"s"
ashen warren
scroll down
hollow shell
@hollow oriole You need a reason for your suggestion
(make sure it's on a separate line with shift+enter)