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#suggestions-discussion
sand umbra
ashen warren
also the crimson effigy is
sand umbra
effigies are god for nohits because you're allowed to place tons of them, and basically worthless anywhere else
ashen warren
awful theyre both awful why would you ever use them its fucking 10 def
sinful steeple
Also I dunno if the shrine items are supposed to be that because like only 2 of them are actually good for more than about 4 and a half seconds
ashen warren
of course at that point you get multiple effigies because yes
which is completely unlikely in a normal playthrough
distant gyro
shrine items
Trinket of Chi - no
Fungal Symbiote - lasts until endgame but for 1 playstyle and 1 class
Tundra Leash - early game flexible but fast fall off point
Gladiator's Locket - early game flexible but fast fall off point
Luxor's Gift - only for certain builds, pretty overrated but alright
Unstable Prism - only for certain builds and don't work on summoner
Effigies - only for glass cannon cheat spammers
sand umbra
Tundra Leash would be good if you weren't basically guaranteed to have better mobility by the time you get it
sinful steeple
Let's not forget the onyx excavator key
distant gyro
from experience you can unironically use leash and locket until hardmode
sinful steeple
Which doesn't do anything actually helpful tbh
unreal viper
Trinket of chi is only good for facetanking meme builds and for one other thing
distant gyro
Trinket is bugged
ashen warren
lovely
sinful steeple
But I always see people praising it
distant gyro
it doesn't even calculate damage right
waxen pine
if trinket of chi didn’t require me to stand still to get a mediocre damage bonus that’d be cool
sand umbra
I don't like saying it like that because it sounds dumb and pretentious and that's probably because it is dumb and pretentious but it is also entirely too true
ashen warren
i would flip damage boost and dr
ashen warren
make it real useful for buildin up that stealth or other stay still stuff while getting all tough
unreal viper
Psycho knife buff is much stronger, for example
waxen pine
if it was reworked to be like “when standing still you get a 15% damage boost” it’d be worth but the delay just makes it suck imo
sinful steeple
Isn't trinket of chi also just like if psychotic amulet was even worse
unreal viper
Rogue stealth can be gotten while moving, right?
ashen warren
50% reduced damage taken and 15% reduced damage given
unreal viper
No
sand umbra
stealth can be obtained while moving yes
sinful steeple
So it's not even a unique idea
unreal viper
Ye
sand umbra
Trinket of Chi's main problem is that you can effectively do nothing except attack once every two seconds
buff dies if you move or use something
there is no possible way to buff this item to where this is an acceptable trade-off without making it obscenely powerful
ashen warren
i think reworking it to be rogue or something completely different might be swaggeroni
or actually removing it like
hell doesnt have a shrine anymore and surface is everywhere
sinful steeple
Trinket of Chi should just be completely reworked, it's not an original concept and it's also just bad
ashen warren
speaking of, wiki still has hell shrine image
sinful steeple
Wiki isn't automatic
sand umbra
waxen pine
any comments on my sugg before i head to sleep? dont want to ditch my sugg without any critique
heady storm
Mmmyes Rover?
languid quartz
honestly it's fine
dapper coral
rover is concerned
languid quartz
just a general easy to understand one
dapper coral
(yeah it's fine paj)
languid quartz
that many people can get
sand umbra
this is sort of a really long tangent that went through like 6 different topics
waxen pine
ok
languid quartz
so totally fine
sand umbra
I don't entirely remember how we got here
heady storm
It's completely fine yeah Paj.
sand umbra
so uh
what sugg were we talking about again
dapper coral
mmmm this seems to happen a lot in sugg discussion 
sand umbra
it does
dapper coral
well, guess that's why i'm here
heady storm
Back in time. 
dapper coral
and chetto
ashen warren
its called death whistle i think it makes sense
sand umbra
I may or may not be responsible for it a lot of the time because I'm terrible at not going on tangents
ashen warren
about the sugg about making the perf/hive drops not clones buff the corruption ones because crimson is still way better biome
hollow shell
(Only thing Corruption has going for it is Hive Mind
That fight's way cooler than any other evil boss)
dapper coral
hive mind good, perfs are meh
sand umbra
Hive Mind beats Perfs any day
dapper coral
that's it though
heady storm
Honestly yeah.
ashen warren
perf is certainly easier
sinful steeple
Hive Mind is def a sick ass boss fight but that probably doesn't matter in the context of the weapons not being clones
ashen warren
just like the game when you play on a crimson world preboss to when evil doesnt fucking matter
the world when crimson is not universally better than corruption: 🏙️
sinful steeple
I don't think HM's drops should be better than Perf's, just make corruption and crimson equal it ain't that hard
Actually it's probably harder
onyx river
I mean, you got worm scarf but that's it
sinful steeple
Worm scarf is kinda bad
onyx river
Worm scarf in vanilla is chad
ashen warren
they shouldnt be totally equal, rather more desired depending on playstyle/class, giving incentive to seek out other evil items from different evils
sinful steeple
Sure it's better than pre-1.4 brain but in Calamity it's still bad
ashen warren
ties into hm/pf drops being clones sorta but maybe topic shift to specifically what to do to make them not clones
even just giving every other drop a little bit more damage than the alternative could make it better
sand umbra
different stats
different effects
different debuffs (when the FUCK are Perfs weps getting Burning Blood procs. please. if the boss inflicts it and it's not really that strong on enemies, why can't its weaponry)
there are lots of ways to diversify weaponry without having to majorly rework it
little things add up too
sinful steeple
Also actually, about pajama's sugg, is the death whistle actually that loud? At quadruple volume it's kinda quiet compared to the clunk sounds Ravager makes when you beat it over the head
sinful steeple
I mean it does sound like a murder victim but like
That's because it's a death whistle, they tend to sound like that
ashen warren
there's so many things that could be changed about the world evils it could legit be its own mod
hollow shell
@stoic shell What about the border-nados?
stoic shell
well people usually just put yharon at the top or bottom of the arena and go to the bottom or top to avoid entirely and it's complete cheese
hollow shell
So, suggest a fix for that instead?
stoic shell
I did?
hollow shell
Are you suggesting to get rid of the nados cuz they're useless cuz they're cheesable?
stoic shell
No, I meant the BHs
sand umbra
untold cargo
The spin bh?
stoic shell
yes
hollow shell
Having two distance-confining factors in Yhar's fight seens redundant
stoic shell
you can literally put yharon at the top of you arena when he's about to do his spin BH, drop with bean to the bottom and boom you have dodged the entire BH with no effort
untold cargo
it’s not exactly the hardest part of the fight
hollow shell
Aight okay I thought you were talkin about that weird strat where people spawn Yharon way up high so the bordernados don't matter
stoic shell
oh no
sand umbra
you can literally put yharon at the top of you arena when he's about to do his spin BH, drop with bean to the bottom and boom you have dodged the entire BH with no effort
congratulations, you used the one valid way to dodge Yharon to dodge Yharon
do you want a gold star?
stoic shell
No, that's not the only way you can do it
heady storm
Yeah you need more reasoning.
stoic shell
I just think it's complete cheese and trivializes the BH's of the fight
and that's a big part of it
sand umbra
bean trivializes most of Yharon's fight
I'm sorry to break this to you
it always has
stoic shell
Fair ig
but my point is it basically removes the BH's if you do it right, meaning you don't even see the projectiles because you're out of the range of them
hollow shell
Would it be fine to make the projectiles last for a longer amount of time?
real steppe
sorry for my offtopic, but is my nighttime Provi sugg alright? I might not be able to respond later as I have to do something
stoic shell
I'd either say make a burn effect like provi, or yeah make the range bigger
and also you don't even need the bean either you can just fall even with slimy saddle to do it
dapper coral
sorry for my offtopic, but is my nighttime Provi sugg alright? I might not be able to respond later as I have to do something
Dw its not offtopic, lemme take a look
hollow shell
Your sugg is fine, Bear
I don't necessarily agree but your reasoning is aight
real steppe
ok, thank you
dapper coral
Since it was only 6 hours ago
cobalt pewter
Difference of yharon from provi is that yharon has a blatant arena blockades (instakill firenados)
While provi relies on her flame debuff as the range gating
stoic shell
Am I saying go sideways? I meant you can go straight down, and not to mention yharon's bullet hells are similar to provi's flame cocoon
cobalt pewter
That's what I noticed when fighting him, his enrage doesn't seem to affect altitude
Unless I'm mistaken
cobalt pewter
Ah, that's quite high
waxen pine
imo the fight kinda lends itself to vertically dodging though since the bordernadoes constrict your horizontal movement a fair amount
quasi sinew
Did i do any typos?
cobalt pewter
Your sugg kinda lacks a proper reason imo
wooden wedge
I don't think dash mounting is coming back
cobalt pewter
And remove the sentence in brackets
quasi sinew
Do you agree tho, i think that mounting reset momentum in bosses is great
cobalt pewter
You not being a native is irrelevant to the suggestion at hand
And they removed dash mounting for a reason
I'm personally indifferent against it
quasi sinew
Didn't they removed it bcus it can cheese bosses?
wooden wedge
it was removed because it was an exploit
hollow shell
Is Spicy's suggestion valid?
#suggestions-posting message
dapper coral
Sure
sinful steeple
Yeah it's valid
heady storm
Slap the approval afaIk Demik.
dapper coral
There we go
dapper coral
Valid
sand umbra
seems good
tawny garden
yep
heady storm
Maybe more reasoning but that's all I can see honestly.
Shroomerang does exist though.
tawny garden
if portabulb sugg went through then this one also should
hollow shell
Sure I guess
@heady rain You can mention other item pun names in your suggestion (Portabulb, Shroomerang) to show that it isnt out of place
And yes
Soecter you should acknowledge that it's a vanilla item
dapper coral
That was the discussion about it, since it doesn’t make sense to change a vanilla item
distant gyro
vanilla item problem persists
dapper coral
The bow or claws may work better for this
distant gyro
that is true
tawny garden
it being vanilla won't stop calamity devs from messing with it 
hollow shell
Mandibow
distant gyro
the claws don't make good flow
real steppe
Portmanteaus?
distant gyro
the bow does but causes inconsistency
Imagine "Mandible Claws, Mandible Blade, and Mandibow"
dapper coral
it being vanilla won't stop calamity devs from messing with it
But changing the name is a bit far innit
distant gyro
and no you can't convince me mandiclaws is a good name 
dapper coral
Mmmm there’s so much potential and yet there’s so much wrong as well
sand umbra
Mandiblitz
hollow shell
Could work
tawny garden
also it's a pun so big funny
I don't think this qualifies as a reason at all
dapper coral
At least, not worded like that
heady storm
Ye hence why I said could use more.
heady storm
Already brought up they need spoiler tags in that title.
tawny garden
@clever canopy ↑
dapper coral
For what, ||shadow||?
distant gyro
(2005)
dapper coral
Alright, well it’s not the worst thing if it gets approved spoilers on, but I’ll wait for them
Woozy’s?
distant gyro
am i missing something or
one of the sugs got placed into voting and not removed in posting
frail mantle
which one
distant gyro
dungeon
tawny garden
it got deleted in posting
sand umbra
you're seeing things, Alt
dapper coral
Nah that’s u
distant gyro
dapper coral
That doesn’t exist
sand umbra
it is in fact not there
dapper coral
Refresh?
tawny garden
you should sleep more
distant gyro
wtf is discord creating void
tawny garden
you're hallucinating
dapper coral
Probably both tbh
tawny garden
ye, exit discord and return
dapper coral
Anyway, woozys seems valid to me but the reasoning is run on and hard to understand
distant gyro
oh goodie both of them are in shadow realm 
dapper coral
Tf?
cobalt pewter
Classic mobile shenanigans
tawny garden
Rover was able to bring back suggs from the dead with this
distant gyro
the problem with the FG sug is that some info is wrong and others are neglecting
dapper coral
What’s wrong, specifically?
distant gyro
for one mechanical glove is post mechs
cobalt pewter
Is it the fire gauntlet one?
dapper coral
Ye
distant gyro
for another immediate upgrades are normally frowned upon
they've already been pinged to address both of these already
cobalt pewter
It was a choice in vanilla primarily, since FG trades 2% of melee dmg and speed with fire effects
Which is a choice people barely take in my experience
cobalt pewter
Oh yeah
distant gyro
so you jump to 22% damage and speed post mechs
cobalt pewter
Stackability is nuts in vanilla
But anyway, that's a fair point yes
I really forgot about stackability
Since I'm usually not a fan of stacking stuff
distant gyro
yes it tends to lead to obscene power spikes
cobalt pewter
Red is wild on balance without a leash
heady storm
Save it incase it dies Demik.
cobalt pewter
Anyway, I'd personally buff on fire or add brimstone effect to fire gauntlet
dapper coral
Mmm it’s not really valid though, it’s missing info
They got pinged twice for it throughout the day
cobalt pewter
see also: Quiver/Scope stacking in 1.4
@sand umbra ah yes, molten + stalker + magic quiver, lovely
sand umbra
yep
dapper coral
Ig I’ll save it anyways
cobalt pewter
I think the arrow velocity aspect isn't stackable? But it's not like it matters anyway
sand umbra
it doesn't matter, the point is that you can stack quivers/scopes for big chungus damage
dapper coral
(Is this where one of your tangents starts, Thomas?)
sand umbra
.
cobalt pewter
lmao
dapper coral
You’re welcome
cobalt pewter
Definitely over 2
distant gyro
your lines should stop attaching to that circle 🔫
sand umbra
distant gyro
FG conclusion is left dusted
dapper coral
Well I have it just in case, but I doubt they will come back for it
cobalt pewter
I'm not sure if On Fire granting lesser DR reduction in rev+ would make it matter
dapper coral
So we’ll see
cobalt pewter
Either make on fire actually impactful at the exchange of the acc not granting bonus stats from mech glove
Or add brimstone stuff to it that could make it slightly more that just stat boost
Fire Gauntlet has been very meh for the entirety of its existence for me
Even in Calamity
It just serves as a bridge between Mech Glove and Elemental Gauntlet
clever canopy
Edited my invisibility potion suggestion, that better?
heady storm
Let me see.
sand umbra
seems good
heady storm
Yep it's fine now, thanks for replying in time. 
clever canopy
Np
dapper coral
Oh nice one
Well that’s about it for Suggs tonight, since mochas onwards can be handled tomorrow
If the other fellows come back, then cool
stoic shell
Ok, I edited my suggestion to make more sense and hopefully have better reasoning now
dapper coral
Seems fine to me, although I haven’t done yharon for like a month
heady storm
It's fine to me too so yeah.
heady storm
As per precedent on these.
dapper coral
Yee
lucid marsh
Should grand gelatin be late prehardmode? Maybe requiring purified gel instead of needing to be crafted at a mythril anvil?
heady storm
If you think it should be, go for the suggestion.
lucid marsh
Alright, is my suggestion good?
untold cargo
It would be hard to make a weapon on different tiers for different difficulties
lucid marsh
It’s an accessory
untold cargo
Oh wait I read it the wrong way
lucid marsh
And yeah that part is optional
tawny garden
having 2 crafting trees at 2 different points in progression seems weird to me
untold cargo
Yeah Ik but I didn’t want to change it
lucid marsh
It’s balanced for early hardmode gear normally but outclassed in expert mode, so moving it down a tier or two in expert and above would make it more viable
tawny garden
ah
clever canopy
The suggestion just seems a little needlessly complex, I’d prefer you just suggest it gets made pre-hm on all difficulties
Very few people play normal mode
And even if it’s still useful in HM normal mode that doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be crafted pre-hm
tawny garden
oh, and calamity balances around rev
lucid marsh
But the problem is that it’s not useful in expert and rev
Compared to the other items of the tier
Like it’s good enough that it’s almost useful, but just barely outclassed
clever canopy
Grand gelatin is pretty useful, but the individual jellies aren’t
tawny garden
could sugg to tiershift it to pre-HM entirely
sinful steeple
Grand gelatin at least last time I used it was actually really good
tawny garden
as ChiefLogan said
clever canopy
I think the suggestion would be more likely to go through that way
lucid marsh
Hm. Yeah I think I’ll do that
sinful steeple
And last time I used it was in Death mode
clever canopy
I had to force myself to read it cause I found myself getting bored/distracted, it’s too long and complex for a suggestion
Ideal it would just use the tinker table
lucid marsh
I changed it
heady storm
Seems fine yeah.
clever canopy
That’s better imo
dapper coral
Fair enough, especially now that all the jellies are prehm
tawny garden
Influx making a sugg about Influx
gray nebula
based
ashen warren
I thought influx waver was literally the best pre ml sword in vnl
civic gust
vanilla yeah
but not calamity
also i mean come on, it can't even kill even one of ravager's hands even after building up an adren!
and this was with glass
clever canopy
Not every weapon has to be viable tbh
Terra blade is a lot harder to get than influx waver, so should be more powerful
sinful steeple
Why would a weapon that is unviable on purpose exist other than being a joke which the influx waver isn't
tawny garden
the complexity of a crafting recipe is never taken into account while balancing.
sinful steeple
Also yeah that
clever canopy
I should probably reword that as the IW is viable, I just think that there should be some variety in power level between weapons at the same tier
tawny garden
m
clever canopy
I don't think it should come down to altering every single weapon to make it compete with others, if it did we could fill the suggestions channel for months with that alone
sinful steeple
Yeah but not every weapon is outclassed before you even get it
clever canopy
most are tbh
clever canopy
Well then you're asking for a major rework of both calamity and vanilla
lucid marsh
I’d make the influx waver inflict electrified
civic gust
bruh how is it fair to have weapons be outclassed the moment you get them
lucid marsh
Also I’m not saying it has to be perfect, just when a major example like this comes up, we suggest a fix
clever canopy
It's not "fair", but it doesn't have to be
lucid marsh
Booo
sinful steeple
It kinda does though, that's called being balanced
lucid marsh
One of the biggest flaws with calamity, according to the modding community outside calamity, is it’s complete lack of balance. Other mods manage to do it well, and calamity utterly fails at it
clever canopy
Balance should be done in general, it doesn't have to be this precise or specific
civic gust
not really
calamity does pretty decent at balancing
it's just that a lot of people fail to see potential
sinful steeple
Calamity's weapons are balanced around Rev, the problem stems from vanilla weapons rarely being buffed to match Calamity's weapons
burnt beacon
not fantastic but i wouldnt expect that with the scale of it
civic gust
and sure sometimes it's fucked up
like effer being buffed
but on the whole it's rather ok
lucid marsh
effer?
sinful steeple
Effervescence
lucid marsh
Oh right
Anyways yeah it’s ridiculous not to suggest buffs for weapons that are outclassed by the time you get them, so by all means this is a good suggestion
lucid marsh
I suggest making the buff that it inflicts electrified and does a little extra damage or has a little extra pierce
Or all of those
burnt beacon
sounds good
pale glacier
Not every weapon has to be viable tbh
@clever canopy isn't the point of balancing to make EVERY weapon viable?
cobalt pewter
I'd personally make it apply Electrified above anything else
untold cargo
Why is this spoiler tagged?
cobalt pewter
Not sure either
@golden zodiac might not need to spoiler your sugg if it has nothing to do with the new update
golden zodiac
Ah, ok.
tawny garden
Ah, ok.
Proceeds to do nothing
heady storm
Could probably implement some kind of projectile too, by that I mean you could make the brain shoot blood at the player
In revengeance+ this already happens.
tawny garden
yeah, I didn't notice them at all
heady storm
They could change it so the blood geysers actually have a threatening angle yeah.
sinful steeple
I feel like only the Brain should be buffed and not the creepers, the biggest threat in a boss fight should be the boss itself and not its goons
dense ferry
I think you should have a talk with Destroyer
sinful steeple
cobalt pewter
Are the blood geysers those dumb things that rained down by perf?
dense ferry
At least for no hit, the Probes are literally half the dificulty of the fight
cobalt pewter
Because yes, those do jack
Considering your dodge movement, you might as well ignore it and still not get hit
For brain's fight
sinful steeple
The blood geyser's in Perf's fight actually are threatening when the worms come to play but they aren't in the Brain fight
dense ferry
Yeah, the Blood Geysers on Perfs fight is really threatening
tawny garden
unless you have a ceiling
golden narwhal
Did gamer see the above about the incredibly threatening BoC projectiles
Also should mention the charge
balmy jay
I just gotta say that ||shadow potion turning you into a shilouette instead of invisible|| is a great idea
radiant meadow
@golden zodiac you don't need to spoiler that suggestion
fiery rapids
@hollow shell could i suggest that a debuff tooltip is changed?
radiant meadow
you can
fiery rapids
cool
radiant meadow
as long as you have reasoning of course
fiery rapids
i wanted to change the godslayer inferno tooltip because "Your flesh is burning off" is really generic
tawny garden
yea, go ahead
fiery rapids
cool
can i give a suggestion on what it should be changed to, because the reasoning for them being generic is that there are a lot of them
frail mantle
you can give an example ye
fiery rapids
cool
cobalt pewter
Or godslayer
Since it's godslayer inferno
Up to you I just give an example on how to make one
fiery rapids
i'll make it later as i have stuff to do
frail mantle
though it's better if you don't state specifically what you want it changed to, and rather just say "for example..."
sinful steeple
That sounds like a buff
fiery rapids
yeah that's what i thought, i'll find something
nimble dock
||Has it already been suggested that Draedon Power Cells should be much faster to extractinate than they currently are?||
||Cause they should be.||
tawny garden
spoiler tags are required in this channel
nimble dock
Oh, my bad
fiery rapids
i changed my idea to this "the fury of the cosmos immolates your soul" is it better?
fiery rapids
cool i'll post it now
weak field
God Slayer Inferno
Yet another fire debuff...
I feel like that tooltip is more appropriate
gray nebula
I think that's already done crusty
fiery rapids
that's demon flame's tooltip
nimble dock
If it has been, it's not in the changelogs.
ashen warren
"yet another flame debuff"
sand umbra
God Slayer Inferno
Because DoG needed his own fire debuff
ashen warren
i think it would be nicer for it to be changed from a inferno to something else entirely tbh
since theres so many flame debuffs already
it could still serve the same purpose, just be named and maybe look a little bit different
weak field
Suggestion: add a yharon-exclusive fire debuff
reason: because dog and scal all have their own
(god slayer inferno&vulnerbility hex)
fiery rapids
he inflicts lethal lava
ashen warren
he inflicts lethal lava burn i think
weak field
That's not exclusive
ashen warren
which isn't his own to be fair
but
small crowd
and i do infact believe that the flames of a godlike dragon would burn like lava
ashen warren
honestly you'd think a god slayer inferno would like
immediately thanos snap your entire existence the second it touches you
weak field
It didn't thanos snap provi and we beat provi
ashen warren
i'm talking about how its god slayer
onyx river
Well, you are a god yourself at that point
nimble dock
||There's 5 labs each with 4 Fuel Factories each. That's 20 factories in total the player can collect. Each one takes about 15 seconds to make 1 cell. That's 20 cells every 15 seconds. The use time of Silt is 15, and I assume that the Cells are the same. That's 4 cells extractinated every second. If my math is correct, in just 30 minutes of gameplay, that's 2400 cells. Again, if my math is correct, that's 10 full minutes of just extractinating for parts that you likely already have an abundance of and money. To me, that seems very excessive.||
||tl;dr Extractinating Power Cells takes way too long.||
weak field
More like god of gods
onyx river
||The main use of cells is not to be extractinated doe||
Fuck forgot the spoiler
And also if you plan on posting the sugg like that you need a header separated from the main sugg with shift + enter
nimble dock
||But, at least for the Pre-HM cells, you only need 50 to completely refill a weapon. I'm not sure if it takes more with the higher tier weapons, but even if it took like 10x more cells to fully charge a weapon, that still would leave you with a massive excess. That's like 8 and a quarter minutes at most for a full charge.||
And yes, I know that it needs a header. Thank you for telling me either way.
sinful steeple
||Why would you have all of the fuel factories anyway, with a single one you can amass nearly a full stack before you can even use the Draedon's Arsenal weapons||
gray nebula
||you're saying like there's only the 5 bio center labs, but there's also the other smaller ones||
nimble dock
||Well, I like to be a bit of a completionist and find all of the Labs, and once you have all the factories, there's not really any reason not to chuck them down and get them working. Or at least I don't think there should be, cause right now they just clutter storage space because extractinating them would take an excess amount of time.||
||Do the smaller ones also have Factories?||
gray nebula
yes
gray nebula
nimble dock
That only compounds the issue
sinful steeple
||Anyway, even if the time was decreased wouldn't it just be more worth your time to sell the excess power cells? You already have more than enough dubious plating and the other thing||
gray nebula
also the ||extractination of cells is just an extra added for people to have an infinite supply of materials to craft furniture and weapons in case they somehow wasted all of the stuff from the lab chests||
||you're not forced to extractinate them if you don't need the extra plating or circuitry||
nimble dock
I guess I'll post my suggestion. Even if it's already been suggested, I don't think there'd be calculations and such.
gray nebula
it got fastened for next update anyways
radiant meadow
||there will be another way to get more of those next update besides the cells||
gray nebula
huh?
nimble dock
||I don't think that there should be... what you get from the chests is already more than enough for weapons, and if the extraction time for the cells was hastened, you'd already have a load of materials, of which I think even builders won't need the sheer amount.||
nimble dock
||Tbh, I really want to get these out of storage, but I also don't want to just trash them lol||
ashen warren
rich
nimble dock
||If you're hastening the extractination, I don't think that's necessary||
ashen warren
im rich i tell you
👍
nimble dock
radiant meadow
well, I don't think they should be no value anyways
nimble dock
Fair
gray nebula
infinite money glitch 
nimble dock
Yeah, ||With the guaranteed 20 factories you get from the bio-labs, that's 24 gold in 30 minutes for... honestly nothing||
balmy jay
The only catch is that ||using the extractinator takes a long time for a full stack||
ashen warren
and thats why we were talking about speeding up
nimble dock
||Yeah, I was suggesting that the process be sped up||
ashen warren
but selling is one click
also
is vile feeders ment to be broken as shit
or na
by broken i mean overpowered
its unusually good
it may be a bug
robust lava
They are broken atm
robust lava
Yes
weak field
k thanks
nimble dock
I'm not entirely sure if this is something to discuss here, but... am I the only one that thinks that Calamity's art style should be more consistent?
nimble dock
Don't get me wrong, I like the art
nimble dock
There's this sprite, with very sharp, defined, black borders
ashen warren
if i have a look at a sprite i can usually tell if its from calamity
nimble dock
And then there's this
ashen warren
because of how they sprite things
nearly everything is like elemental blaster
style wise
spectralstorm cannon does look oddly different but i mean
nimble dock
Ehh, not necessarily
ashen warren
its not different enough to really matter
robust lava
Well Spectralstorm Cannon's sprite was just redone, whereas Ele Blaster seemingly still has the same sprite from 2017
nimble dock
I've noticed a lot of ones that look like the former and the latter
weak field
Elemental blaster is not resprited, spectralstorm cannon is resprited
gray nebula
ashen warren
hm
gray nebula
elemental blaster is old
robust lava
So it's just a case of Calamity having sprites from many different years of its development, and work from many different artists
gray nebula
and no we cant "just make the artstyle consistent 4head"
theres lots of artists working for the mod
nimble dock
I know that
sinful steeple
That and also I don't think one having a darker outline is a style inconsistency
gray nebula
compare yharon (old) vs levii (new)
sinful steeple
If it's like black maybe but spectralstorm cannon's outline isn't black
ashen warren
i guess my sprite eye isn't as sharp because they really don't seem that different to me
onyx river
Anyway, if you want to talk more about the spritework i think the art serv is prolly a better place to do so
ashen warren
i can see the difference but its barely noticable
nimble dock
I mean, hey, it's a minor nitpick, considering that this is all free content, and I like the art either way, so I really won't press on about it.
sturdy geyser
well things can and do get resprited but it takes time
gray nebula
(it kinda does)
loud cloak
okay mu suggestion is out
fiery rapids
someone's been trying to resprite it on the art server but i think they might have stopped
gray nebula
?
untold cargo
auric is better for single class cus overall dps is higher
gray nebula
dps is higher on demonshade with enrage iirc
loud cloak
okay
untold cargo
i never tested with enrage lol
loud cloak
although demonshade just doesnt feel better overall
it feels more plain and uncustomizable
comared to other sets
gray nebula
loud cloak
okay wth
gray nebula
also like yeah ok youre getting useless stat bonuses but
just ignore them 
?
armor isnt worse just because it gives you an extra summon slot when you're a mage
onyx river
Demonshade vs Auric, take 536
loud cloak
i know, but melee bonuises are kinda useless
it would be a very good thing to implement
sinful steeple
Multi class armours aren't worse because they're multiclass
nimble dock
Doesn't it give bonuses to every class?
sinful steeple
Omega blue is apparently super high dps and it's multiclass
loud cloak
whats that from
gray nebula
sinful steeple
So like where's the problem with demonshade
gray nebula
im still confused
sand umbra
ah, yes. Demonshade v. Auric
if I had a box of Peanut Butter Patties for every time this argument came up I'd never need to buy Girl Scout cookies ever again
sturdy geyser
😔
loud cloak
well, the helmets would win the argument, and maybe the multiclass could still be there, but still with helmets
onyx river
Well i mean with more boss coming they are going to be more tier apart iirc correctly and ppl will stop comparing them
nimble dock
They both have their own merits
loud cloak
i guess
gray nebula
how would multiple multiclass helmets even work
nimble dock
Auric is more defensive and Demonshade is more offensive
loud cloak
thats not what i mean
nimble dock
At least from my experience
sinful steeple
I think they mean the five helmets junk that's been done to death already
loud cloak
well each helmet would provide MORE bonuses for the class its on
sinful steeple
Demonshade already gives enough bonuses as is
loud cloak
i guess
gray nebula
just like take your single helmet thats good for all classes at once
loud cloak
ehh
gray nebula
i really dont get your argument
loud cloak
what about the crafting rcipe thing
nimble dock
wdym
loud cloak
read the whole suggestion
sinful steeple
Definitely not
loud cloak
i guess
loud cloak
ok
gray nebula
demonshade isnt really supposed to be an upgrade to auric tesla
loud cloak
whats up wth that emoji
sinful steeple
Because then demonshade would have to be a direct upgrade to auric and demonshade is already god if you don't stub your toe on the air and die
nimble dock
I see you really like pepe
onyx river
Bruh, can ppl accept one day that only the chad no-hitters can use demonshade properly and that we are just too bad to use the armor
weak field
Never noticed that before
loud cloak
?
weak field
the pipe vault thing
loud cloak
oh
ashen warren
never noticed what
weak field
never noticed that there's vault on pipes irl
ashen warren
in labs there are
in water pipes and stuff, there still are, but less since they are not needed that much
dapper coral
God philo
violet dagger
finally a reference I get
tawny garden
cause I explained it
hollow shell
So
Is Mocha's sugg aight?
#suggestions-posting message
dapper coral
Sure
tawny garden
yea
violet dagger
ye
sand umbra
yep
violet dagger
sounds good
sand umbra
seems fine to me
gray nebula
self approval 
hollow shell
nah Demik you do it so I don't get memed 
hollow shell
shit uh
sand umbra
df happened to suggestions posting mention lmao
dapper coral
Nope
hollow shell
That?
robust lava
Yes
sand umbra
yeah, I'm seein' it too
hollow shell
Crud
dapper coral
Oh ye
sand umbra
this
may be a problem
hollow shell
I'll repost
gray nebula
sand umbra
mfw bot cannot discern what channel is being mentioned so it spams numbers
robust lava
Are you able to delete Sugg Bot's message and re-approve another one quickly without the channel link?
dapper coral
Yea
hollow shell
oh you're shitting me
gray nebula
sturdy geyser
i, personally, am not shitting you
dapper coral
Mmmmmm don’t like that
dapper coral
Aight, I’ll do it again then
hollow shell
ye
robust lava
Fastest approval in the west 😎
hollow shell
Cool
dapper coral
Glad that’s sorted
gray nebula
now for an accepted% speedrun
hollow shell
well first
robust lava
If only the Jellyfish in Sunken Sea sugg went through so it could be insta accepted from #changelogs
hollow shell
@covert siren I have your Fire Gauntlet suggestion saved, so if you want to repost with improvements it just ask me. s'getting auto-deleted by the bot.
dapper coral
Lol I have it too
hollow shell
Is gseal's all good?
#suggestions-posting message
dapper coral
Yea sure
violet dagger
yes
sand umbra
farm DS or perish
violet dagger
Im still laughing at that 0.1% chance that they shoot 80+
that has to be a meme tho
hollow shell
It is
violet dagger
good
tawny garden
seal's is good
hollow shell
Well, a meme as in it was implemented as a joke.
It was still implemented tho
violet dagger
:sadcat:
hollow shell
How's Logan's?
#suggestions-posting message
violet dagger
looks good to me
tawny garden
yes
using matching wings and armor just feels right
this sentence is kinda hmm
but otherwise good
violet dagger
ye maybe ping them to remove that sentence
good suggestion
hollow shell
or edit it to explain why ("matching wings and armor is very visually/thematically appealing")
@clever canopy
dapper coral
He’s got plenty of time to edit it, no harm in waiting a bit ig
sinful steeple
You could just use the wings as vanity because usually armour set wings are kinda bad
weak field
tarragon wings looks alright to me
sinful steeple
The later game ones are good but like many of the earlier ones are way outclassed
tawny garden
the class still is underrepresented by wings
hollow shell
aight, while we wait for Logan
How's BetterBear's sugg?
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/699359022364491868/740747577355534507
sand umbra
seems good
violet dagger
yes
tawny garden
it's kinda suggesting a second way to obtain both simultaneously, but it's valid
violet dagger
it's a good reward for beating nighttime provi
civic gust
yeah that's defo a good idea
weak field
Yeah
hollow shell
Cool
And at risk of starting another argument...
How's Thomas's sugg?
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/699359022364491868/740767704272732303
sinful steeple
Yes
tawny garden
approve it fast before an argument starts
radiant meadow
that wasn't the one that sparked the real argument tho iirc
although
you could mention shadowdrop and blood bath
how they are similar but not the same
sand umbra
oh yeah those two
radiant meadow
and the fact that aorta and shaderain staff exist
dapper coral
looks good to me
hollow shell
byeah I think it's fine, so
sand umbra
pogging
violet dagger
this new sugg is just
Y E S P L E A S E
its so annoying when they just run from u
and despawn
safe sail
maybe i should change the top part to say "Change the way Cnidrions move through blocks
hollow shell
yeah
safe sail
yeah ill do tha
dapper coral
sturdy geyser
yes
hollow shell
Yeah seems good
dapper coral
aight
sinful steeple
Wasn't this already planned but nobody actually sprited anything
hollow shell
Maybe
vital ore
I got a suggestion, a really easy suggestion which i dont think needs much coding either
for the extractinator interaction, with silt, slush or the new items i wont name to avoid spoilers which most know of
hold shift to extract-inate bigger numbers of them at a time, instead of 1 at a time
hollow shell
Might be hard to code.
weak field
Harder to code that you think...?
vital ore
damn
sand umbra
Fargo's Mutant Mod already has a config to streamline the hell out of extractination
by making extractination take like 2 frames per unit
I am at least 40% certain this works with modded extractinatables
hollow shell
Extractinator involves you placing items into the thing to get items out of it
We'd need to find out how/where it does that method and probably directly overwrite it if we wanted to give it a holding shift function
... also I think it'd automatically make you select a pickaxe if you held Shift while hovering over an Extractinator, cuz Shift is the quick-swap key and it'll think you're trying to break the placed object
(iirc)
sand umbra
it's a lot of work for something that is ultimately already done perfectly fine and can be made much faster with another mod
vital ore
yeah, about that, will the new extractinator items have more use in the future, u think? tried asking spoiler chat and doesnt look like there is much use for them for summoners
vital ore
yes
hollow shell
Don't they have exactly as much usage for summoners as they do for all other classes?
||Charge 5 new weapons?||
sinful steeple
||Summon weapons ignore charge but that's kinda irrelevant since you're never gonna run outta power cells||
vital ore
summons dont use that mechanic, sorry forgot spoil tag, btw what was code for that, keep forgetting
vital ore
i got a lot which i dont know what to use for, which is why im curious to know if there are plans for them in the future
hollow shell
I don't think so, I think we've got pretty much all the usages for em in this update
that I'm aware of
sand umbra
Socc, spoiler tags or begone to spoiler talk
vital ore
i dont understand that sentence, socc
weak field
How about we make ||flamsteed ring|| consume a lot of ||cell (like, stacks)||
vital ore
yeah sorry thomas, will keep it in spoiler chat, was just kiiiind of relevant to the discussion as it was regarding usage of an item
hollow shell
Socc
hollow shell
ok cool
weak field
sand umbra
it's not complicated
weak field
Yeah sorry I just kinda forgot about spoilers
tawny garden
vital ore
also about that, how long is spoiler chat gonna be a thing? i heard a week?
tawny garden
a week iirc
vital ore
was that from now or from update release?
tawny garden
from release
vital ore
ok, thanks for clarification
hollow shell
ye it'll expire soon
tawny garden
((God I fucking read "ye I'll expire soon", fuck))
sand umbra
weak field
you
sand umbra
wot
weak field
This heavy but glorious duty is on your shoulder now thomas
I think the way cnidrion swim through blocks is the same as OOA enemy?
hollow shell
No, it's the same as the holiday moon minibosses
weak field
Then if we say, override this function, will the moon minibosses also change their behaviour? I'm kinda new to c#
hollow shell
nah a lotta "inherited" Calamity stuff is CTRL-C CTRL-V from vanilla source into our source so that we can make our own modifications to it
Separate from the original.
weak field
K thanks I thought it's like derived from vanilla class then write overrides for specific function
hollow shell
We could have programmed it in a way that would now make overriding necessary, yeah
but, naw
weak field
Then is the latest suggestion valid?
hollow shell
Yes
weak field
I mean, is it hard to implement?
hollow shell
Probably not hard, no
weak field
Then yeah, I like it
hollow shell
Ideally it'd only involve changing one number
tawny garden
afaik validity of suggs doesn't depend on how hard to code it is
weak field
But I also don't like it cnidrion get away from me I want personal space
weak field
If it's too hard to code or just straight up impossible
tawny garden
well if it's a grand-scale rework it's a don't, or if it's impossible
hollow shell
There are some suggs where Ben says "I am not programming that and I don't think any of us are ever programming that"
weak field
How about the entropy's vigil suggestion
Lower the amount of iFrame it causes and make it go faster
Personally I think what they need is to focus on one enemy until they ded if they got targeted with right click; not just speed it up
civic gust
speed up is probably necessary too tho
woeful lantern
they are pretty slow
weak field
I mean, the focus thing is the foundation of problems
Speed them up is also necessary because not only are they slower than twins, but also even slower than me
woeful lantern
ye, try using those weapons for bosses like scourge or prime
weak field
Eh, scourge is ok I guess, since it's not that fast
woeful lantern
their low movement speed makes them very limited and optic staff has bad agro range but thankfully targetting function exists
scourge is ehh ye but if ur playing death mode he does go pretty fast
and dps is also a problem with the calamitas summon because it does the same dmg as other weapons and optic staff shouldnt outclass it in terms of dps since it is an indirect upgrade from it
note: dps testing on both summons were on the luiafk training dummy, on a super dummy they basically do the same dmg being 900 dps
violet dagger
scal is getting a human sprite soon ™️
iron night
oh
gray nebula
iron night
should I delete it then?
gray nebula
resprite suggestions kinda funny anyways
hollow shell
Yes you should delete
Your sugg does come down to SCal's sprite not being as high-quality as others
and that type of sugg is in the Don'ts doc
iron night
thx
radiant meadow
Onyx Chain Blaster is early hardmode
oh wait
no,
that's the middle one
okay
but uhhh
minigun shouldn't go into OCB
iron night
yeah it requires luminite dont it
iron night
alright
radiant meadow
I think the best solution would to just find a different weapon to make OCB
iron night
final solution: soma prime is used to make onyx chain blaster
hollow shell
Minigun in Onyxia, instead of OCB
iron night
hm
hollow shell
(I don't feel like the current situation is too much of an issue. We don't need to fenagle all of the recipes together for the sake of you only needing to use every weapon once.
It's the Chain Gun, a Santank drop. You get like 5 of them per event)
iron night
so should i edit it to put minigun in onyxia then
still doesnt exactly the solve the issue of needing 2 but ig youre right
cobalt pewter
I wanted to suggest adding a jetpack-like wings based off pbg's boosters (that also give stat bonus to ||plaguebringer armor||), but I ended up keeping the idea vaulted because idk how to make the sugg not too specific
radiant meadow
ye, you are kind of like forced to fight the frost moon right after doggo
iron night
do suggestions ever get added in
weak field
Yes
violet dagger
yes
weak field
iirc the new darksun bow Ultima is from a suggestion somewhere
violet dagger
its kinda rare for them to get in
most of them get stuck at approved by devs but never implemented
weak field
You get the idea
iron night
whats the bluecheck mean
violet dagger
then again this is the same mod that allows u to kill funi desert worm with funi insta kill mode for money
ashen warren
that's not a cheap recipe imo, especially considering that clouds are limited
waxen pine
there's much easier and simpler methods of getting money that dont use limited resources
weak field
Hold on I might got some numbers wrong
hollow shell
Yeah I don't think this price is that unreasonable
sand umbra
you can get the Sky Mill from Sky Crates anyway
and honestly you're gonna be banking hard off that way less than you would be with
sayyyyyyy
weak field
Wrong numbers indeed
hollow shell
What
ashen warren
gaming
violet dagger
:wot:
radiant meadow
all of the special crafting stations sell for 2 gold
hollow shell
Oh you're just implying that the player can make 5 Sky Mills
violet dagger
confused
hollow shell
weak field
Yeah, with all these raw materials you can make 5
hollow shell
You wanna clarify?
weak field
Done
hollow shell
Thanks
violet dagger
isnt the sell price vanilla tho
hollow shell
I think we can change that pretty easily
radiant meadow
you can change it easily, I just think that the recipe should be made more expensive instead
weak field
Either way would work
hollow shell
How's Thomas's Brain/Scarf suggestion?
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/699359022364491868/740788328827322379
tawny garden
✅
subtle oracle
Looks valid yea
radiant meadow
isn't beetle usually seen as better than hydrothermic?
rocky trench
yes, in most aspects, but ease of accessing the resources and the different minor bonuses should also be taken into account
also, it would be useful to have specific sets throughout the game (like a melee equvalent of the early-game snow ruffian set)
rocky trench
looking through the Guide: Class Setups page on the wiki, melee has the least amount of specific recommended armour, with the sets it does have being from vanilla
tawny garden
@vagrant zenith you need to provide a kill time comparison iirc
on a boss of that tier
dapper coral
yes
killtimes on polter, since you mention him in your sugg
wait
mmm
do polter and scal ig
violet dagger
and probably a killtime of scal if u can manage