Nah I’m not posting it
#suggestions-discussion
ashen warren
night trellis
I don't think it will be posted, but who knows
tawny garden
are you guys like... debating the existence of enrages/nerfs?
personally I would avoid an argument where your point is the objective truth, people
night trellis
We are arguing, I think, over the merits of such features
night trellis
And whether or not they are necessary/good/should be rewarded
dapper coral
this may be true, but there is no point in arguing about such a thing unless a sugg will be made about it, which it has been decided it will not be
at least, not here
ashen warren
like you can kill every boss without weapons
tawny garden
how the fuck is any of this related to anything else
dapper coral
if you want to continue the discussion, it would probably be suited better for #calamity-mod-talk
robust lava
Then suggest it
tawny garden
also btw Demik
put a space between your header and reason with shift+enter
you don't need an empty line there
ashen warren
lets talk about it a little more
tawny garden
the empty line is also unnecessary
radiant meadow
pretty sure you need neither
ashen warren
Philo said "if you wanna sandbox, use cheat sheet"
thoughts?
dapper coral
oh really? well uh, never mind then i guess
tawny garden
header
fun reason here
also works
dapper coral
hmm
for some reason i had it in my head that shift-enter was necessary, but i guess not
ashen warren
I decided not to post it because of the merits of it.
It’s not a necessity
And not something that would be a great addition to the game anyway
If someone wants to post it, they can instead of me.
onyx river
Shift enter is necesary, but just once, you don't need a full empty line in between the reasonning and the title
night trellis
I just feel that some suggestions would be better not being posted at all lest they affect the game in a negative way. As it stands, the voting system is biased towards things passing, seeing as the opposition has not direct action they can take if they feel like a suggestion is a bad idea.
dapper coral
peculiar
frail mantle
if someone feels like a sugg is a bad idea they can say so before the sugg is approved
dapper coral
i mean, if it's disliked by most people then it won't get to devs
night trellis
That is the point of this discussion forum
ashen warren
you should come up with valid arguements against it tho
tawny garden
no
radiant meadow
most suggs die after delivery anyways
tawny garden
"I don't like it" is a good enough reason not to star smth
dapper coral
mm
onyx river
The flaw in the current system is that most people don't go look in #suggestions-discussion and thus may not see the counterarguments which have been brought up and did not end in the final sugg, thus effectively only sseing one side of the story
ashen warren
never
night trellis
I feel I have made my arguments very clear
dapper coral
there's a difference between valid and good idea/addition
ashen warren
"I don't like it" is a good enough reason not to star smth
@tawny garden what about the person that likes it?
radiant meadow
then they star it
dapper coral
then star it
ashen warren
are you more important than them?
radiant meadow
I don't see what you're getting at
tawny garden
dapper coral
if you like it, star it. if you don't, don't. it's a very simple system.
night trellis
If someone feels a suggestion is a bad idea, the only thing they can do is discuss it here
radiant meadow
People post stuff in posting to discuss and see if it can be improved. If the sugg is valid and doesn't break any rules, it will be sent to voting after several hours usually.
night trellis
If enough people like it, it will pass without regard to the people who dislike it
dapper coral
that's why we wait for like ~12 hours before we pass suggs into voting
ashen warren
he said "i don't like it" is a valid enough reason to stop someone's suggestion from reaching votes
radiant meadow
It's not stopping a suggestion from reaching votes
frail mantle
no he didn't
radiant meadow
it's just not touching suggs you don't like
night trellis
I don't think anyone here has just said "I don't like it" and left it at that
radiant meadow
which is the entire point of the system
frail mantle
"I don't like it" is a good enough reason not to star smth
radiant meadow
stopping someone's suggestion from reaching votes would be like if I deleted all the reactions on a sugg
dapper coral
react with a star on the posts in voting
frail mantle
press the star reaction
dapper coral
to show that you like it
frail mantle
ashen warren
night trellis
Arguing with strangers over the internet is always impossible
night trellis
People are arguing over the internet, of course
sand umbra
bruh
sturdy geyser
yeah
dapper coral
and then discussion ensued about the sugg system? i think?
sand umbra
do y'all have a sugg you wanna start discussing
dapper coral
i stopped following after a bit
night trellis
The reason we were arguing was because the voting system is biased towards voting yes, so the only chance voting no gets it by shutting down a suggestion before it gets posted
ashen warren
If you want to be specific
dapper coral
hmmmmm do i ping TheLegend27 again?
night trellis
plz no
sturdy geyser
who
ashen warren
It was about rewarding fighting enraged bosses
dapper coral
aight, i'll just link the thing that you pinged him wtih
night trellis
Then we got into discussing the nature and merits of nerfs
Then it got into the voting system and whether you should or could star something
then I left
dapper coral
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/465195069406707722/740642188525961328 @dense fiber read what comes before this to adjust your title accordingly
hollow shell
Ah this may or may not be a good transition into a suggestion I wanted to make
dapper coral
go for it
hollow shell
Some of you may recognize it
from a few months ago.
I proposed it here then shut myself down cuz I felt like it was redundant to the posting channel's existence, but now, I feel like it would be worth it again
Add a new reaction for moderators in #suggestions-posting to indicate that a suggestion has a problem and the suggester has been pinged about it
My candidate: ❗
This would allow mods to communicate easier with one another, even asynchronously, that the suggestion's problem is waiting on the suggester's end and is not a result of moderator laziness or miscommunication. It would ensure that problematic suggs get dealt with more efficiently, as any questionable suggestion without the reaction is prime material for pinging.
This would also serve to communicate that a suggestion has a problem and should not be approved, as opposed to a valid suggestion that was simply forgotten about and slipped into almost getting auto-deleted. This reaction would help differentiate between valid ready-for-approval suggestions and unfixed potentially-invalid suggestions.
Additionally, it could serve as an indicator to the poster of the suggestion that they should check their pings if they see the reaction on their suggestion, and show that the suggestion was not simply left in the channel to give time for feedback.
(Lastly this reaction will make it so that I don't need to keep asking if suggs are valid every hour, because I'll know they're fine if they have no reaction. Please, I'm exhausted, help)
dapper coral
fair
heady storm
This seems pretty neato.
onyx river
I mean, it's more a conviniency for the mod team, so idk if it should have to pass through the suggestion system but it seems fair yeah
sand umbra
seems valid
dapper coral
i know there have been times where a sugg got put into voting when it was still being waited on, or (much more frequently) a suggestion is basically valid but is autodeleted
so yes, i approve
sand umbra
I'm still not certain how necessary it is as this is the exact reason #suggestions-posting was made in the first place, but I wouldn't be against the extra clarification
night trellis
I like that idea
golden narwhal
Seems p good
heady storm
Ye honestly looks very useful Rover.
hollow shell
(The reason in parentheses is now actually the main reason for the suggestion. I don't like the current flow of asking if a sugg needs to be approved before approving it, especially if I don't get many/any responses and I don't really know what to do, and the fact that the two or three people that see the message are the deciders.
Theoretically, any feedback people had should've been posted as soon as the sugg was made, or as soon as they logged on and saw the sugg)
brittle nexus
not being able to edit a message after it being approved can also be a hassle sometimes
hollow shell
Well that's kinda the point
night trellis
It's to keep people from getting one suggestion approved then just changing it to something else
hollow shell
The sugg goes through posting to be made into its final state
night trellis
Maybe there should be a suggestion suggestion forum for people to propose suggestions before mods even look at them
hollow shell
That's this channel
brittle nexus
I do think that the current situation is better though.
frail mantle
check the pins
brittle nexus
it means "frequently suggested", not accepted or sent
ashen warren
ah
hollow shell
(the "legend" pin specifically)
brittle nexus
I deleted my message cause I thought the pog was for 170 stars
sand umbra
is "making vanilla changes toggleable" on frequently suggested yet
if not, follow-up question:
can it be there so people stop yelling about it and know that it's already sugg'd many times
hollow shell
How many times has it been sugg'd?
ashen warren
Suggestion Reactions Legend:
⭐ - Added automatically to suggestions. If it gets reacted 240 times by the public, the suggestion gets sent to the dev server or moderator channels.
✅ - The suggestion has 240 stars and was delivered to its respective location.
☑️ - The "bluecheck". The suggestion has already been delivered in the past. If a suggestion with this reaction reaches 240 stars, the past suggestion gets marked as being highly suggested.
(Current past suggestion cut-off date: March 1st, 2020)
Note: It's fine for your suggestion to exist even if it's been suggested before! Our system accounts for that and it will improve the chances for that suggestion to be implemented.👍 - The suggestion has been delivered and reviewed by the devs, and was approved by them. (This does not guarantee implementation, but it does improve the chances.)
🚫 - The suggestion has been delivered and reviewed by the devs, but was rejected.
🏁 - The suggestion has been officially accepted and implemented.
do i have to get 240 stars or just 170*
hollow shell
I can think of 2 times
ashen warren
i'm super confused
hollow shell
It's 240 now.
ashen warren
and mine?
hollow shell
See the topmost pin in #suggestions-voting
dapper coral
if you posted it before the raising of stars, then it's 170
ashen warren
HELL YEAH
sand umbra
(Any suggestions made (and/or posted in #suggestions-posting) prior to this message will still only require 170 Stars.)
night trellis
My Silva Wings one was the last 170 star one
ashen warren
WE GOT A GREEN CHECK BOYS
night trellis
Oh dats right
hollow shell
Cuz posting
frail mantle
isn't the policy that bluechecked suggs that reach the delivery star count are yoten into frequently sugg'd
brittle nexus
that means it was sent to the dev server iirc
night trellis
The rule change applied to things also in the posting forum
hollow shell
No? That's not the case Leon
dapper coral
yea they are
frail mantle
oh
dapper coral
oh wait really?
ashen warren
not sure
frail mantle
guess i just misremembered then
hollow shell
As in, the section of the Don'ts doc?
frail mantle
yea
hollow shell
Yeah no
hollow shell
'Frequently suggested' entries are added on mod discression
frail mantle
ic
night trellis
☑️ - The "bluecheck". The suggestion has already been delivered in the past. If a suggestion with this reaction reaches 240 stars, the past suggestion gets marked as being highly suggested.
What does it mean if not "it gets yote into the frequently sugg pile"?
hollow shell
A sugg that is common but never reaches the req can be put into the doc
frail mantle
if not yoten to the frequently sugg pile, it probably just means the devs note that it's something a lot of people want
night trellis
"yoten"
ashen warren
or prob put it in the DONT
hollow shell
The "frequently suggestion" section of the Don'ts doc is not an exhaustive list
It's just suggs we don't wanna see anymore, cuz we get it
night trellis
Ah, ok
hollow shell
I'll put my moderation sugg into posting
ashen warren
HELL YEAH BROTHER
hollow shell
Might not matter, but
yeah
ashen warren
did i make it rover?
earnest vine
I like that idea
night trellis
Funny how you have to add your own suggestion. Can't you just automatically approve it?
gray nebula
suggestion GOD needs to get approval too :pensivel
hollow shell
Well if anybody has feedback on it, I'll edit
wooden wedge
I like it
ashen warren
good and needed
night trellis
I concur
gray nebula
only problem i can see with it would be that you would need to ping another mod for them to remove the exclamation reaction after you edited it
night trellis
Rover is always watching
ashen warren
ALWAYS
hollow shell
I guess that'd be an issue yeah
A mod should still see the ping/edit eventually
gray nebula
mfw i thought he was a roobt
dapper coral
i think someone will see the reaction eventually though
earnest vine
this is way too complicated, but perhaps a solution would be that just the suggbot bot reacts that with a certain command, and when the message gets edited, the bot automatically removes the reaction
gray nebula
ehhh
dapper coral
doesn't mean the edit is any good though
ashen warren
idk i like what you did
hollow shell
but ❗ is kinda the inverse of that
gray nebula
wooden wedge
red is not the inverse of white
mortal bison
Oh i got tagged
hollow shell
myeah?
ashen warren
how harrd will it be for you devs to make stuff in calamity toggleable
hollow shell
Depends on what it is
ashen warren
you have nerfed stormbow here, you have the vanilla here
how hard will it be to make going back and forth toggleable?
hollow shell
Making the menu option itself isn't that hard
but needing to reprogram the thing you're toggling might be
mortal bison
And as I mentioned previously, its the hote still slightly out performs the community even if its 0.5% for most of them. Which is still a negative, then combine that with hote having jump speed and you get a disappointing legendary i won't lie
ashen warren
ah i see
gray nebula
removing alllll balance changes probably wouldn't be hard, just very tedious
hollow shell
Also we already talked about this alexaa ffs
tawny garden
crap, did I miss a Rover sugg
wooden wedge
no it's still there
hollow shell
We're not adding a toggle to un-nerf Stormbow
gray nebula
philo blind 
sand umbra
wasn't this whole vanilla changes shit discussed multiple times
tawny garden
(I missed the moment, i mean)
wooden wedge
you can still talk about it
ashen warren
nah i just wanted to check on the devs, because tmodloader server said it will be hard
violet dagger
the sugg manager makes a sugg 
ashen warren
♥
dense fiber
Why do I keep getting pinged here?
ashen warren
were you?
wooden wedge
go to your inbox and you'll know
unkempt bolt
most likely something concerning your suggestion
mortal bison
@hollow shell update my suggestion?
hollow shell
You can edit your suggestion's top line to instead say that Comm should be a noticable improvement over HotE
That the fact they're so closely comparable is a bad thing @mortal bison
wooden wedge
inbox is in the top right corner
mortal bison
Ahh ok
wooden wedge
dense fiber
No I know but theres nothing there but it keeps saying someone pinged me in this channel in particular
And theres no @ marks so Idk
wooden wedge
discord being fucky?
dense fiber
Maybe
ashen warren
eh sometimes happens
sand umbra
lemme take a gander at your sugg
tawny garden
somebody deleted I guess
dense fiber
Wack
sand umbra
eh, seems valid enough
tawny garden
lol
sand umbra
I personally don't really get quite what you're gunning for but it seems valid for what it is
dapper coral
i pinged you, Legend. i didn't delete it so must be discord poopy
hollow shell
It was about your sugg having inconsistent wording in places (player speed vs minion speed.)
(adjusting minion speed is impossible btw)
dense fiber
Alright
dense fiber
Thought it was my internet screwing with dicords pings the messages just showed up in the inbox
hollow shell
That looks better, Precision
mortal bison
Np
wooden wedge
also to see your pings in the inbox switch it to mentions
hollow shell
puh
dapper coral
absolutely
mortal bison
Hopefully people see it the same way I do because i got the community pure luck on my first kill of leviathan and siren only to realise the stats are worse than hote by a small margin and had to swap it out
wooden wedge
all mods except for this one
mortal bison
Which sucked
hollow shell
Do we think Precision's sugg is good now?
#suggestions-posting message
dense fiber
Precisions suggestion is good
hollow shell
Actually you could include a lil bit more, Prec
A line about how HotE is a pre-ML accessory and shouldn't (almost) beat the accessory which is intended to scale and be viable post-Yharon
Just realized you edited out a line like that in your revisions
radiant meadow
isn't community crit better than hote?
hollow shell
Reread the sugg now
radiant meadow
The only benefit for the community is -15% dot, and the life regen.
still doesn't mention crit or flight time which are arguably useful in their own right
hollow shell
tis about how they should be more different, not necessarily that HotE is undeniable improvement
radiant meadow
then that sentence shouldn't be there or be rewritten
balmy jay
I feel like the rate of extractinator should be increased, or have an acceleration
Due to how slow it is to ||extract a stack of power cells||
night trellis
I like the acceleration suggestion
mortal bison
Better?
night trellis
No clue how hard it would be to make tho
fiery rapids
the power cells extraction rate might be difficult to implement as extraction speed is based on block placement speed
mortal bison
I can keep editing it until it sounda fine
radiant meadow
It's better I guess, although the title should probably be capitalized
hollow shell
smh you're nitpicking now
mortal bison
@radiant meadow got you homie
heady storm
They seem fine.
tawny garden
yea
heady storm
Oml.
radiant meadow
did something happen?
heady storm
Eh it's not related to this.
(Actually Rover how would I approve these for future reference?)
heady storm
Alrighty. 
hollow shell
coolio
tawny garden
(kinda takes a while)
hollow shell
That's fine, no rush :P
night trellis
I assume all the current suggestions are just being looked at to some extent?
unkempt bolt
suggs are generally given 12-18 hours before approval, regardless of validity
obviously if there's still issues after that period, they won't be approved
tawny garden
the "problem" I see with your sugg, Rover, is that you were so happy to see the exclamation point removed, and now you're bringing it back
unkempt bolt
this one's a different colour so its okay
wooden wedge
it's has a different use this time and yeah it;s also red
tawny garden
hmm, would it make sense for the bot to only delete the ❗s?
hollow shell
Delete?
tawny garden
in 24 hours
radiant meadow
how would the bot remove the reaction?
wait but don't the messages get deleted in 24 hours?
hollow shell
I bet it could but what would that solve?
tawny garden
fuck, I'm bad
would it make sense for the bot to only delete the suggs with an❗and not delete other valid suggs?
hollow shell
Hmmm
wooden wedge
after the time period?
hollow shell
You raise a good point
tawny garden
so that the current "oh, sorry, sugg yeeted by bot" mess doesn't happen
after the time period?
yes
wooden wedge
yeah that actually makes a lot of sense
hollow shell
I don't like that that allows for sugg procrastination to occur, with valid suggs sittin in the channel for over a day cuz no mods got to it
but, that's not much of an issue
tawny garden
"sugg procrastination"
subtle oracle
Wouldn't want the bot to Delete actual Legit Suggs now
wooden wedge
how about working that into your sugg rover?
hollow shell
hmmm what if
The bot auto-approves suggs after 24 hours that don't have ❗ on them?
dense fiber
That sounds optimal
wooden wedge
yeah
tawny garden
that sounds familiar
hollow shell
Does it?
tawny garden
very familiar
to what happened before 20th of April
tawny garden
ah, fair
hollow shell
So, a sugg that nobody comments on will go through unscathed
because there were no issues :P
void kelp
👀
tawny garden
subtle oracle
sick
wooden wedge
actually I do see one maybe issue with this, how would we know when to get rid of the ❗ ?
subtle oracle
Commence the plan Sargant
tawny garden
and what if they don't
you shouldn't rely on them
cuz like you rely on them 
ing, and they don't
hollow shell
If they bother editing the message then they should mention it in this channel too, even if a mod isn't pinged
wooden wedge
if they have the ❗ in the first place that means that they aren't very active in sugg disc
hollow shell
A mod could still just notice that the sugg changed and remove it
cuz remember, the suggester got pinged when the reaction was applied
void kelp
ye
wooden wedge
yeah that could work then
void kelp
sometimes people dont respond when they make a change 
hollow shell
would be common sense to respond to the ping in this channel
(if they don't, oh well. Hope that a mod notices)
hollow shell
I'd rather not, requires me to take precautions
tawny garden
we need a sugg resurrection team
hollow shell
(at this very moment I am only on mobile. Power's out)
void kelp
can we change it to not be ❗ but instead ☣️
tawny garden
oof
subtle oracle
Damn that sucks
wooden wedge
sugg res team is the mod team
hollow shell
I usually copy suggs that I think will die over to my personal discord
radiant meadow
☣️ feels over the top
void kelp
ok true i just feel weird bc we got rid of the ❗
hollow shell
nah, you misremember.
We got rid of ❕
radiant meadow
and I don't think deleted suggs are recorded in delete notifs
or at least, if it's been too long
hollow shell
Strange
radiant meadow
Amber might've changed it. idk
tawny garden
if a bot is well-coded, it won't respond to other bot actions
hollow shell
In this case it's unfortunate
radiant meadow
well, suggestions going to delete notifs isn't exactly a bad thing
tawny garden
the bot would have to send deleted suggs there itself
tawny garden
I already pinged Amber on that once
hollow shell
(when?)
radiant meadow
it did it in the beginning when this was started
tawny garden
radiant meadow
did she respond?
radiant meadow
how do you know she saw if she didn't respond?
hollow shell
Well if she wasn't busy before, she's gonna be busy now that she's admin
Don't expect any bot changes unless you really pester her..
void kelp
yeah deletenotifs dont record messages deleted by bots and by banning someone (and deleting their message history)
hollow shell
m
tawny garden
if deletenotifs recorded bans, that would be lowkey hilarious
1000 new messages since 2:07
hollow shell
why don't we just make a bot that records every message posted into the server? Then nothing would be lost
tawny garden
wooden wedge
nothing lost, nothing found
hollow shell
anyway
This one's a slight bit overdue
Feedza's summon penalty sugg aight?
#suggestions-posting message
heady storm
It seems fine, byeah we gotta wait a bit longer.
hollow shell
nah, 12 hours was 4 1/2 hours ago
heady storm
(I can't read time it seems.)
hollow shell
heady storm
It's fine though yeah.
tawny garden
yea, it's ait
heady storm
Guess I'll approve this too.
tawny garden
hmm
hollow shell
I added the possibility of bot integration to my sugg
tawny garden
wooden wedge
should I approve it?
hollow shell
pff no
violet dagger
I'm planning on making a sugg to make deathmode antlion sand not place down, not sure if this breaks the deathmode dont or not
tawny garden
too early mate
hollow shell
You gotta wait about 12 hours to give everybody a chance to see it first
wooden wedge
ah ok
hollow shell
It doesn't, gseal. That's fine to sugg
violet dagger
aight
tawny garden
has there ever been a valid non-mod && non-server sugg?
wooden wedge
can you give an example of one
radiant meadow
sometimes people would suggest stuff about the wiki
but there's the new channel now
oh ye, that one plushie sugg or something iirc
radiant meadow
idk if we have the resources for that tho
violet dagger
didnt spider once make a sugg about providing better arena tools in calam
mortal bison
Honestly I can see the damage penalty on non summoner armor working well. I do think summoner early game deserves some reworking though if we're gonna update summoner
radiant meadow
that falls under mod sugg
tawny garden
he did
hollow shell
I'd totally buy a Calamity boss plushie
wooden wedge
I want a yharon plush
violet dagger
I'd definitely buy a doggo plushie
tawny garden
doggo plushie is beeg
mortal bison
I'd only buy a dog plush if it was fucking loooooooooooooooooooong
hollow shell
DoG body pillow
tawny garden
I've created offtopic
mortal bison
@hollow shell it's 3x the size of a standard matress
tawny garden
why do you mention deathmode there specifically tho?
mortal bison
Who here thinks summoner should just get an update to fix every issue with it currently. Because there's so many issues i think it would require a whole summoner-based update
tawny garden
you could sugg the amount to be decreased in death
mortal bison
Like early game summoner just needs to be absolutely overhauled
violet dagger
I found earlygame summoner to be not too bad
tawny garden
I never said "combat" or "avoid"
mortal bison
I'm not sure
radiant meadow
in death, it's 8 to 10 sand projectiles at a time iirc
violet dagger
ye
radiant meadow
with a 0.1% chance for 80 to 100
tawny garden
the problem is that summoner in vanilla was intended to be completely different than calamity, but then calamity tries to take the vanilla summoner base and overhaul it in a way to make it serve a different purpose without changing the base principals of the class
mortal bison
@radiant meadow which fight?
hollow shell
Antlion fight.
tawny garden
hollow shell
The eternal struggle
violet dagger
antlions are easy to fight
the real fight is removing the sand
mortal bison
Fuck i haven't played death so i don't know the antlion struggle
radiant meadow
it's 8 to 13 with a 0.1% chance for 80 to 130
tawny garden
that'd be really weird
mortal bison
Ok 5 seconds i Guess
tawny garden
2 different sands would be needed
violet dagger
it'd be easier to just replace their projectiles with a sand projectile that doesn't place
tawny garden
that seems like a bitch to implement
mortal bison
That's fair
violet dagger
relogic has made some really stupid decisions with enemies such as antlions
violet dagger
radiant meadow
what if for death mode, it shot one sand ball that could place (this would have no spread, so like rev-)
but it also shot extra sand balls that didn't place any tiles
violet dagger
that would work
steep crown
I'd never thought I'd see Rover make a Sugg 
heady storm
The man the myth the legend.
radiant meadow
then we can post the epsilon meme but with Rover instead
heady storm
Epsi suggestion approved by Epsi I'm guessing.
radiant meadow
I'll post it in gen talk
violet dagger
lol
earnest vine
yeah
tawny garden
ye
earnest vine
although what are exodus wings?
radiant meadow
it's the new name of xeroc wings
radiant meadow
it's a new name, so it doesn't matter as much as a new item imo
earnest vine
yeah its fine imo
radiant meadow
and the only thing that changed about the set was just some names and sprites
clever canopy
I can spoiler it just incase
dapper coral
may as well, just to be safe
clever canopy
Also wasn't sure what to call the ore armors so if anyone has any suggestions for rewording that let me know
I mean the armors like deadlus or reaver that have class-specific helmets
subtle oracle
Maybe "Different Tiers of armor"
heady storm
Ye perhaps.
clever canopy
Idk if that's specific enough, could mean any armor
subtle oracle
I'm talking about the common tiers of armor that you should use during general progression. Like Victide, God slayer, Empyrean etc. Other sets are just upgrades of Pre h mode equivalents iirc
or just their own thing
real steppe
Wow, 240 stars for a suggestion is a lot
radiant meadow
starflation
stars mean less and less as time goes on.
just 2 years ago, the req was 35 stars.
real steppe
Imo that means only the best of the best will be passed to the dev server, but I could be wrong
actions speak louder that assumptions (what)
clever canopy
I’d say add that to the suggestion
mortal bison
Honestly hallow provi is a massive jump in difficulty i won't lie
radiant meadow
ironically, I just hear praise to hallow because nobody likes crystal
violet dagger
me who fights provi in hell:
for some reason i struggle with the lasers, dont ask why
vivid kestrel
I do Hallow first. Grind a bit and then beat the heck out of her in the underworld
mortal bison
Ye
vivid kestrel
Also luckily for me my "upgrade to Elemental Blaster" suggestion only has to get 170 votes because I made the suggestion 1 day before the raise.
real steppe
Changed it
Imo Hallow Provi is 10x easier because the lasers are highly predictable, but it could also just be me
Not to mention that I won't have to spend 100 years digging for an arena
vivid kestrel
Nah I just use T-Edit for that. Super useful
Also about the suggestion is that it is super useful for the psychos who want to fight her pre Auric Tesla armor, but useless for those who have already defeated Scal and have the Auric Tesla armor.
radiant meadow
I mean, she's gonna drop one of them anyways
vivid kestrel
The problem with the suggestion is that Night Time Providence is not part of the linear progression, meaning that she can be fought anytime after her daytime variant is defeated.
radiant meadow
and I bet there's a lot of psychos
real steppe
I think the point of the suggestion is to simply make the challenge more rewarding
In fact, the efficiency of fighting her at night to get both her drops instead of just fighting her later is very questionable
So yes, you got a point
actually that is my suggestion and I already forgot about it
radiant meadow
br
unreal viper
Wut?
radiant meadow
please try to keep it related to suggestions
nocturne mason
sorry
weak field
Oh no I'll actually have to choose the world evil with brain now
sand umbra
I know it's a really fucking outlandish concept
weak field
Yeah you evilist
unreal viper
I def agree with it
unreal viper
I wish the evil island didn’t exist tbh
cobalt pewter
We are all the same
sand umbra
FINALLY
weak field
I mean, it definitely would help with getting people to use their brain
sand umbra
SOMEBODY AGREES WITH ME
unreal viper
Maybe ai should sugg a change to that
sand umbra
the fucking
Evil Island
unreal viper
I’ll do it tomorrow ig.
subtle oracle
Evil island should exist, it adds variety to the Calamity Biome islands 
And you can use it as an arena of sorts
.
sand umbra
yes, the Calamity Biome Islands that exactly one of exists
it's called the Evil Island
cobalt pewter
Evil islands should cover a third of the map horizontally
sand umbra
the rest are planetoids
cobalt pewter
subtle oracle
Wait i was mistaken
weak field
Eh, evil island don't really help me personally
There's already a thousand mod to convert evil materials out there
radiant meadow
I don't get you guys sometimes.
Sometimes people complain about evils not being the same
sand umbra
hi Ben 
radiant meadow
and other times you do
sand umbra
people that complain about evils not being the same don't like having to think about playing the game
to those people, I say "play Ranger because then you don't have to play the game to begin with"
radiant meadow
namely, spear of destiny and soul harvester both being evil specific w/o any sort of counterpart
subtle oracle
Musket goes brrr
weak field
I like undertaker don't kill me plz
cobalt pewter
To be honest, it's kinda complicated for me. I want the two evils to be conceptually different, but similar balance wise
sand umbra
personally I don't entirely mind those being exclusive to one evil
weak field
Like I said, in base game; crimson gives more survival and corruption gives more damage
At least it's their concept
radiant meadow
but they could stand to differ if there were good ideas on how to change them perhap
unreal viper
Wut
cobalt pewter
Yep, but crimson is usually the superior one in vanilla because of ichor and (as of 1.4) brain of Confusion
unreal viper
In crimson 1.3, it is harder and offer better gear and damage
weak field
And because nobody use scourge of the world
cobalt pewter
Ah yes, vamp knives too
sand umbra
Scourge of the Corruptor always was outclassed by Vampire Knives
unreal viper
At the cost of losing the worm scarf and being very annoying to exist I
sand umbra
unfortunately
weak field
I actually like scourge of the corruptor ( spellings be like), since I don't have to use that much brain
sand umbra
it's been a constant since the day they were introduced
Vamp Knives have always been objectively better because the lifesteal cooldown might as well not exist in vanilla
unreal viper
Calamity buffs cursed flames, so it should be decent compared to ichor
cobalt pewter
It reduces DR by 20% yes
unreal viper
Not that it matter since caustic staff is a thing currently.
cobalt pewter
The creator of the weapon is planning to rework its debuff applying mechanism
sand umbra
anywho yeah tl;dr why do people complain about the concept of evils being different
why is it illegal to have to actually think about the consequences of your choices
cobalt pewter
Isn't that the entire point? I mean, I can see that balance wise, but conceptually?
cobalt pewter
Schleep in it
sand umbra
I will probably end up pitching a few other suggs related to making the choice of evil more impactful again and making it not just "which evil do I find within 5 seconds of my base and which evil do I have an island for"
sand umbra
I need to write up some other suggs related to this topic
.
wait a minute this kind of suggestion theme is inherently fucked
...ah well, I'll find some solution to those two before moving on with this assertion
make that the next sugg in the set
blazing dome
i dont see any issues with my suggestion currently, other then it Maybe breaking the rule of not suggesting specific items, but i dont think thats in the context of what im suggesting
ping me if for feedback
sand umbra
looks good to me
steep crown
More furniture is always good
blazing dome
tl;dr i was building a sulpherous seas minibiome to build a house, before realizing there wasnt a sulpherous seas themed furnature set.
wooden wedge
I thought this was already happening
radiant meadow
It's not high priority
It simply hasn't been sprited
That's why it hasn't been done yet
wooden wedge
@blazing dome should read above
radiant meadow
That doesn't make the sugg invalid persay, I just don't see it speeding up the process
But surprisingly, this is rarely sugged anyways
Unlike astral furniture
sand umbra
in other news I'm dying in an attempt to write up this next sugg in the "evils need to be more distinct" set
I'm probably going to post what I have to see if people can make sense of it and to get feedback on how I can make it more clear
I present to you: the Beholster in the room that I need to address before I can go any further with this subset of suggs
radiant meadow
Dryad selling them is the point of those though
You can't just ignore that of the intended way is to purchase them
blazing dome
i find it weird how there is in fact both a abyss and void furniture set though.
sand umbra
...ok no I think
I think I can make this work
I've now realized that this sets up the next sugg in the set very well even if indirectly while still allowing both to stand on their own
anywho discuss evil boss drop combos while I go write up the next thing 
and also yell at me if there's a way I can make this sugg better
sand umbra
time for me to become die in real
violet dagger
Also on this topic will the alternate evil boss be removed from boss checklist
It's annoying seeing it on there
And not being able to do it
Since the island is too high to count as corruption
radiant meadow
No, Fab said to not make them exclusive when I asked
Can't you like hide individual bosses or something?
violet dagger
The island is always too high to count as it's biome
It always counts as space
But I doubt anything can be done abt that
cobalt pewter
The ground under counts if you stand under it
But yes
It's kinda complicated to be used for boss fights atm
You need to expand it manually
If you're not having shredding gear already
dapper coral
@little helm https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/465195069406707722/740649845420851281 read what comes before this to adjust your suggestion
heady storm
It's also pretty specific.
indigo fog
oh finally someone suggested to change the hellkite recipe
dapper coral
that it is
so if they don't come back to fix it, i'll let it die
seeing as it's rather specific in the attack methods as well
sand umbra
.
distant gyro
the entire mage line uses starpower as base yes
radiant meadow
Sigil eats them
sand umbra
fucking hell
radiant meadow
Same diff
dapper coral
Hope they didn't ding dong ditch.
indeed. well they have an hour, so gl to them
sand umbra
oh yeah crates exist what am I doing
radiant meadow
Might as well have a panic necklace recipe at that point
sand umbra
god damnit
radiant meadow
Crate would require converting the evil island into a lake
cobalt pewter
just make a sky lake evil
radiant meadow
Perhap
sand umbra
Panic Necklace in Deific can still go regardless imo but whatever
anywho uhhhhhhhh
Panic and Starpower get crafting recipes I guess
cobalt pewter
Also an evil sky lake would be much more convenient for fighting bosses as opposed to an evil island
sand umbra
the rest aren't needed though 
unreal viper
||Panic necklace isn’t needed in amulet’s recipe.||
unreal viper
Ye.
sand umbra
wait what
cobalt pewter
Everyone is confused
radiant meadow
Wut?
cobalt pewter
distant gyro
the solution to balance is always pots
radiant meadow
I don't remember removing panic necklace
sand umbra
also yeah cuffs being locked to Corruption worlds is a huge bruh moment
unreal viper
You did not
dapper coral
it does require necklace tho
sand umbra
okay I'm confused
unreal viper
I just think that it isn’t needed in the recipe.
dapper coral
oh
unreal viper
Uh
sand umbra
remind me to make an unrelated sugg later about killing Panic from Deific
unreal viper
I don’t know how to strike trough on mobile
cobalt pewter
sand umbra
kinda messes with the focus of the acc honestly
radiant meadow
I think jellyfish is less focused
cobalt pewter
Yeah
unreal viper
What is it’s focus?
cobalt pewter
Defensive
cobalt pewter
Only jellyfish necklace is a utility, and not defensive
sand umbra
Deific in general needs
changes.
to be a more focused acc rather than just a conglomerate of random effects
radiant meadow
Shark tooth is offensive +
radiant meadow
Philosopher's stone is god
cobalt pewter
But shark tooth is offensive by itself yes
sand umbra
Philo Stone is indeed god
cobalt pewter
Philo stone gud
hollow shell
How's Kristaps's sugg?
#suggestions-posting message
languid quartz
yeah it's a nice QoL one
I'd vote for it but honestly it has very little impact
just like making ravager drop that thing that turns into bars + cores
hollow shell
heh
radiant meadow
It's fine
hollow shell
My idea :3c
languid quartz
lol i have a doc with 4 sugg ideas that I can type up but I just don't want to yet
heady storm
It's fine.
languid quartz
yeah that one has a lot more basis imo
faint needle
It's fine but god that wording
languid quartz
makes more sense
hollow shell
What's wrong with the wording?
heady storm
Nothing?
languid quartz
yeah I don't see anything wrong with the wording
hollow shell
@faint needle
heady storm
How's Mayo's sugg?
#suggestions-posting message
hollow shell
Mayo's.
heady storm
This one.
languid quartz
honestly I really agree with that
heady storm
Probably cover their title for the spoiler.
languid quartz
invis potions are cool but it's hard to see anything 
hollow shell
Ah, didn't even realise.
languid quartz
although I don't get why you'd be using them for mining or building
but dodging I get
hollow shell
(when does the spoiler period end, btw?)
heady storm
End of this week iIrc.
radiant meadow
A week after the update
hollow shell
okie
languid quartz
the whole point of invis potions is that you're... well... invis... so I think that you should be okay with sacrificing seeing your character for rogue bonuses if you're using one of them
hollow shell
@clever canopy Would you mind spoilering ||Shadow potion|| from your suggestion?
languid quartz
removing invis from invis potions just sounds counter-intuitive
hollow shell
The effect could still be acceptable if it was like
50% opacity
radiant meadow
It could be removed/adjusted on the new pot
ashen warren
this tbh
radiant meadow
But invis pot is vanilla
languid quartz
It could be removed/adjusted on the new pot
yeah I like that better
ashen warren
another alternative would be to give some visual indicator that the player is where they are, like an outline or cloud of something, although that would probably be more difficult to implement
hollow shell
That's also a possibility yes
radiant meadow
You could drag the stealth meter below the player
languid quartz
another alternative would be to give some visual indicator that the player is where they are, like an outline or cloud of something, although that would probably be more difficult to implement
yeah that too- maybe do that for the shadow pot, keep vanilla invis the same with a higher stat bonus?
radiant meadow
It was intended for below the player but
ashen warren
nah that would mess up balancing i would just like not have invis go full invis
radiant meadow
It doesn't follow the player at world edges
languid quartz
ashen warren
yeah and its a pain to do stuff mining directly below you so like
languid quartz
but why would you have invis on while mining?
sand umbra
you wouldn't
hollow shell
Doesn't the player reappear briefly whenever you use an item?
ashen warren
yeah
hollow shell
such as, a pickaxe?
ashen warren
yeah
radiant meadow
Invis only happens if player isn't using an item
ashen warren
but the bar being on the bottom makes it hard to mine because it stops mining when it hovers over the bar so there is incentive to have the bar elsewhere than directly below the player
sand umbra
Attacking while under the stealth effect will cause the player to reappear temporarily, and the buff will be cancelled entirely if the player takes damage. Placing or breaking blocks will also cause the player to reappear.
hollow shell
Ah that's what you meant
hollow shell
Stealth.
sand umbra
stealth bar can be moved
hollow shell
yes
ashen warren
invis isn't that much of an issue so i think the easiest solution would be the best and i think that would be making invis only adjust transparency a little bit
sand umbra
why does there even need to be a solution though
languid quartz
wdym?
ashen warren
because it's still
sand umbra
to what end are you trying to fix something that isn't broken to begin with
ashen warren
annoying like lowkey annoying but
not being able to see the character when they aren't using an item just for rogue bonuses isnt that much worth it, especially when staying still to build up stealth
sand umbra
then don't use the potion??????
there are tons of other ways to get rogue buffs. an invis potion is not going to make or break your current activity
ashen warren
the op sugg poster brought up good points
also no it totally will
the bonuses are like, 10% damage
for bombs? i think
hollow shell
Rangs.
ashen warren
and its really annoying to have a potion have clear drawbacks when it should just be a buff, and besides who actually uses invisibility aside from rogue bonuses
sinful steeple
Invis pots keep enemies off you and reduce spawn rates
Also is your player being invis really a downside if in almost every situation you are in the centre of the screen
sand umbra
that'd mean a lot more if aggro meant literally fucking anything outside of MP
but alas, topic for another time
anywho, sugg itself seems valid
I don't see a point to it as to me it's a matter of "if it ain't broke, don't fix it", but it is valid
ashen warren
it's certainly a minor issue but i dont see why anyone wouldnt want to make invis pots make players a bit less invisible
hollow shell
aight well this was fun
While we wait for him to spoilo
How's Woozy's?
#suggestions-posting message
sand umbra
okay so real talk
I do think Fire Gauntlet could get a change of recipe
ashen warren
plot twist make mech glove post ml
sand umbra
plot twist make Fire Gauntlet actually have respectable fire applications
hollow shell
... wait
ashen warren
also mandiblade god suggestion
hollow shell
@covert siren "you can make the mechanical glove right after you can farm two or three walls of flesh"
Avenger Emblem requires all 3 mech souls.
ashen warren
deserves 500 stars
sand umbra
Mandiblade GOD
languid quartz
okay so real talk
I do think Fire Gauntlet could get a change of recipe
yeah I never understood the scoria bars
sand umbra
that change was actually made back when they were Chaotic Bars
languid quartz
imo fire gauntlet isn't so OP it should be locked behind golem
sand umbra
and very fire-related
languid quartz
it just adds fire damage to the mechanical gauntlet
sand umbra
so I can sorta see it
languid quartz
I don't get it
sand umbra
but with Scoria Bars being much different now I think a re-evaluation of Fire Gauntlet is in order
change of recipe
more fire debuffs
languid quartz
maybe you could lock it behind brimmy with charred cores or cal clone with ashes of calamity
golden narwhal
core of chaos tbh
languid quartz
but not golem
ashen warren
actually yeah
sand umbra
you're funny
languid quartz
forgot its name lol
sand umbra
Calamitas' Brew was only good until its Blood Orb recipe was killed
languid quartz
byeah lock it behind calamitas and make it do brimstone flames
cobalt pewter
There's no "gauntlet" upgrade between Fire and Elemental, yes?
sand umbra
because Abyssal Flames post-QB actually does something respectable perhaps a bit too much so
feedza
do not.
languid quartz
yes to feedza
sand umbra
byeah, it just goes from Fire post-Golem to Elemental post-DoG
languid quartz
wait do not what?
ashen warren
or you could leave fire gauntlet as is and have a brimstone gauntlet upgrade in between fire and elemental
sand umbra
aaaand here we go
I'm not in the mood to argue for an hour about why this is a bad idea but tl;dr if a vanilla item is bad you make the vanilla item not bad
you don't add a new item whose sole purpose is to be that item but better, that just worsens the issue
sand umbra
yeah now you have to worry about the new item's power level thus creating more balancing work AND the origin item is still bad
cobalt pewter
Fire Gauntlet should apply Brimstone flame along with on fire
OR give on fire a special property on rev+
Kinda like how cursed inferno cuts dr by 20
sand umbra
yes because boss DR is a Rev+ thing
sand umbra
english please
sinful steeple
I was gonna say that
distant gyro
adding fire xyz is kinda weirdchamp
ashen warren
whta if it make enemies on fire forever
distant gyro
i think something along the lines of rogue gloves are better if had it not already been executed
waxen pine
pretty sure DR applies to normal and expert now so might not need to be rev+
distant gyro
except it has
ashen warren
also ive been thinking about the shrine items
sinful steeple
In what way
ashen warren
theyre cool and all but not all are really worth having and although they sorta try to scale/stay relevant they basically still get obsolete at some point or another and i think that they should all be more standardized to either all have some upgrade at the same point in progression or all cut off in use at the same point in progression
languid quartz
22 - Increased the chances for the special biome shrines to spawn on worldgen. - Done
As you're talking about them
lol
ashen warren
lmao
luxors gift is really useful for pretty long but like who uses fungal symbiote or the one floating sword thing for long
another solution would be buffing the ones that suck but i dont really know what to do for those
waxen pine
fungal symbiote is decently useful for true melee yeah
sinful steeple
Fungal symbiote is pretty good for true melee
waxen pine
but like gladiator’s locket is ech
sand umbra
Gladiator's Locket is nothing to be impressed by especially since marble biomes aren't exactly the most common thing
Unstable Prism on the other hand is highkey overrated
ashen warren
the locket even tries to scale which sucks because it would be really cool and fun to use an accessory like that if it was actually valid for any period of time
sinful steeple
I got unstable prism once and ngl it sounds completely useless
So like how do you overrate something that terrible
distant gyro
Unstable Prism is underrated*
ashen warren
i guess if you were like crit melee it might matter
fungal symbiote works ig since its so specific to true melee, and luxors gift works because it's % based and for all classes
sinful steeple
Honestly gladiator's locket actually seems not half bad for a pre-boss acc
sand umbra
what the deuce do you mean underrated
am I outta the loop
is Unstable Prism not literally god to most people anymore
ashen warren
no it's generally bad
sand umbra
I see
distant gyro
but nohitters are the weirdos minmaxing shit and you know it