an activated ability
#suggestions-discussion
rose latch
dapper coral
yea
rose latch
or tarragon immunity
sand umbra
it's more like Abyssal Madness or Brimflame Frenzy, ye
dapper coral
so the meter would be like rage/adrenaline where you activate it via a keybind
and the attack is more like stealth where it's a different attack for a bit
rose latch
no just the set bonus activation key
sand umbra
byeah it's like Abyssal Madness or Brimflame Frenzy
you have a debuff that tells you if it's on coooldown and another that tells you how long you have left on it
dapper coral
i'd be down for it
sand umbra
now that Wulfrum armor actually requires doing stuff to get it, I figure it's only fair that it becomes a little more interesting
dapper coral
indeed
it's a shame that wulfrum is only restricted to earlygame though, so this effect wouldn't really exist in later game
but this would be a cool addition
hollow shell
So, that's a yes on the suggestion?
sand umbra
very much a yes
dapper coral
yessir
hollow shell
aight
Is HBDeus's ||Monstrous Knives|| suggestion valid?
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/699359022364491868/740181187871375370
dapper coral
mmmmmm idk to be honest
lifesteal isn't really meant to be good in early game
as shown by most lifesteal items in pre-hm
sand umbra
also ||they're literally pre-boss Vampire Knives||
hollow shell
@white canyon Can you provide some evidence of ||Monstrous Knives'|| lifesteal being underpowered for the tier?
void kelp
sised’s suggestion valid btw?
terse sundial
yes
hollow shell
We are waiting on a ping
for him to edit his top line
Cuz it's worded weirdly
(if he doesn't return in time then it can just be approved anyway)
also
@still cliff Presumably Life Crystals have Bones in the recipe to allow you to 'catch up' on your missing hearts easier when you're at the point where you should be having a respectable amount to survive
Finding them underground should still be the main (and in this case for most of pre-HM, only) means of acquiring them. The intended way.
dense fiber
Going to the planetoids is also a great way.
hollow shell
Also
@paper torrent Your suggestion isn't formatted properly. You need your main idea at the top on a separate line (shift+enter) with the reasoning below.
(make sure you have separate spoiler tags for the top and bottom, or the bot will mess it up)
You should also expand on your reasoning more, it's very small
radiant meadow
The last two sentences of the ||Monstrous Knives|| suggestion are a bit too accusatory for my taste, not exactly rule breaking, but it kind of makes it sound like we're doing something wrong.
unreal viper
I agree Ben.
real steppe
Agreed too
Im divided in that suggestion - imo maybe buff its damage a little, not the lifesteal, because I think that the weapon is pretty bad early game
radiant meadow
the lifesteal is based on the damage dealt
sand umbra
so if you buff the damage, you indirectly buff the lifesteal
unreal viper
Make the lifesteal percent lower ig
radiant meadow
forgot to mention that they specified it do low damage https://gyazo.com/a4c5f6d06d063025329198ad37d0d8c0
ashen warren
doesn't that 2 damage become a lot more endgame?
hollow shell
Probably not enough to be better than Empyrean or Illustrious Knives
ashen warren
no like with the buff he is trying to pass
90% 2 damage
how much can two damage become endgame?
sand umbra
like
ashen warren
and crits
hollow shell
Probably like 12
sand umbra
4 or 5 at most
ashen warren
nah
sand umbra
up to 10-ish on crits
ashen warren
calamity mod
hollow shell
At the end of the game you do not have 10x damage boosts
sand umbra
even Calamity's asinine post-ML power curve doesn't get that absurd
ashen warren
still enough to heal you full if it was 90%
sand umbra
don't Monstrous Knives also follow the lifesteal cooldown rules
hollow shell
Feel free to go in-game and test
ashen warren
aight
radiant meadow
they do
ashen warren
cooldown rules?
radiant meadow
but empyrean knives also have much longer range
and yharon and scal have dr
and defense
hollow shell
If you do too much lifesteal in a short period of time, the game doesn't let you lifesteal for a moment
hollow shell
mhm
It's an obscure vanilla feature
ashen warren
If you do too much lifesteal in a short period of time, the game doesn't let you lifesteal for a moment
is that a calamity thing?
hollow shell
Nope
sand umbra
it's a vanilla feature that is made more apparent by Calamity
sand umbra
you never notice it in vanilla because you never quite reach it in vanilla
except with like
Razorpine + Hood
which by the by is beyond disgusting
ashen warren
so calamity buffs it
sand umbra
???
ashen warren
it's a vanilla feature that is made more apparently by Calamity
hollow shell
Vanilla has 2 lifesteal weapons
unreal viper
Lifesteal is supposedly nerfed
ashen warren
Vanilla has 2 lifesteal weapons
two?
hollow shell
Just two
radiant meadow
calamity also makes vamp knives and spectre hood affect the cooldown more
hollow shell
Vampire Knives and Spectre Armor w/ Hood
ashen warren
ah
hollow shell
Life Drain doesn't do lifesteal, it gives you a buff.
ashen warren
that isn't a weapon
sand umbra
lowkey Life Drain is lifesteal done right
radiant meadow
I forgot to do something I wanted to do regarding life drain
oh well
I can do it tomorrow
sand umbra
wow, okay
hollow shell
Eh nah I wouldn't encroach on its unique function
sand umbra
[[tgc:Life Drain]]
red stormBOT
sand umbra
this thing
ashen warren
yes
radiant meadow
I wanted to make cryo, brimmy, cal, and possibly levi/aureus not immune to the life drain debuff
sand umbra
funny debuff immunities
unreal viper
Yes.
hollow shell
It's easy to make a boss vulnerable to a debuff
unreal viper
Funny how they work.
sand umbra
it's just never done for...reasons
unreal viper
Did I make a sugg about generally making stuff vulnerable to debuufs
sand umbra
I don't remember the exact reasoning off the top of my head but I do know there was a reason for everybody being immune to everything relevant at their tier
unreal viper
Removing the immunities in general?
sand umbra
...and that I thought that reasoning, whatever it was, was dumb
ashen warren
idk man
radiant meadow
I doubt you'll change Fab's stance on the issue
iron moon
I’m trying to get my friends into calamity but I’m only just in hard mode so what would you describe calamity
hollow shell
Not quite the right channel, panda
ashen warren
i really really hate any change to vanilla
hollow shell
ashen warren
that isn't toggleable
hey rover
did that one suggestion vote about making calamity mod changes make it?
since i cant find it
discord search
hollow shell
... what?
ashen warren
oh my didn't think i will make it to voting
unreal viper
Not yet. 
ashen warren
so happy
unreal viper
Gotta make 16 alt accounts, brb
pale glacier
Would it be okay if I suggested that the minion penalty be removed from demonshade again? @hollow shell
radiant meadow
unless it never reached voting
cobalt pewter
Would it be okay if I suggested that the minion penalty be removed from demonshade again?
@pale glacier they hate multiclassing, so that might not even bat an eye
steep crown
Demonshade should not have the summon Debuff
pale glacier
Worth another shot
hollow shell
Ah
I think your sugg might have died, Heisenberg?
hollow shell
I have it saved
Remove the minion penalty from the Demonshade armor
Up against all the set bonuses that auric tesla armors give, demon shade feels kinda lackluster. Making this change will help it feel more powerful imo as it is supposed to be the final armor in the game(so far). A lot of people just skip the demonshade and stick with Auric armor, and this would give them a reason to craft this armor set.
cobalt pewter
My sugg about changing extra diff rewards haven't even reached 100 yet
radiant meadow
it won't make me happy
cobalt pewter
radiant meadow
therefore, it won't make everyone happy
ashen warren
it won't make me happy
toggleable
steep crown
Unless they make Demonshade the summon Set, and Each of the other bosses gives the different other class sets, It should not have the debuff. If every player is expected to use it, it shouldn't be unnecessarily weak for 80% of players
ashen warren
the game is the same ben
radiant meadow
having to implement it would be a massive hassle
ashen warren
just more for everyone
radiant meadow
it's more trouble than it's worth imo
ashen warren
ah i see
hollow shell
The more features you make toggleable, the less of a definitive Calamity experience there is
Balancing becomes more difficult as well
ashen warren
emmm, not really
a lot of calamity toggleable changes for now
are default by devs
radiant meadow
and a good number aren't for good reason
weapon balance changes will never be togglable
hollow shell
If you make the vanilla item buffs & nerfs toggleable
then Daedalus Memebow and Holy Crap Arrows decimate everything again
ashen warren
well you see
terraria
is a sandbox game
there are many ways to approach the game
ignore the "cheaty" ones if you wish
hollow shell
Play on Normal if you want to decimate everything 
steep crown
Wait, I thought you were just talking about the Set bonus
pale glacier
I decided to update the suggestion with better words Rover, and yea it did kinda die off earlier
ashen warren
that is just kinda disrespectful ngl...
steep crown
Disabling the minion debuff while the armor is on will just not work
hollow shell
Sorry bro
ashen warren
if it was a joke no worries
steep crown
Even summoners will just use another weapon
ashen warren
yes
pale glacier
Well that's kinda the point of armors like fearmonger
I might be remembering that name wrong
hollow shell
Nah you got it.
unreal viper
Demonshade is kinda just a strong damage endgame armor, doesn’t need multiclass imo.
steep crown
I'd say that Current Demonshade armor seems to be under the philosophy that each Endgame boss gives the armor for a different class.
The current setup seems to be
Dreadon: ranged
Scal: Summon
yharim: Melee
Noxus: Mage
Xeroc: Rogue
But if they decide to do a strict progression rather than fight choose who you fight from the 5, then things become a little more murky
ashen warren
am i allowed to some what "ask" people to vote for my suggestion?
hollow shell
That is definitely not how it's going to work Forsaken, but you kinda have the right idea
ashen warren
like in calamity chat
hollow shell
Please don't, Alexaa
steep crown
I might have the classes wrong
ashen warren
aight
steep crown
I'm just shooting in the dark from what I see
hollow shell
All the end-game bosses will not be parallel
We ain't gonna make it so Rogue's gotta wait till post-BR for their armor, while Rangers get it way early
Also, to clarify, Heisen
Are the "people" in your suggestion summoner players, or all players?
ashen warren
i think when talking about the terraria experience, in any class
we are talking about everyone
steep crown
Could you clarify what "Will not be parallel" Means? Can't say I've heard the term used to describe bosses before
hollow shell
Alright
I don't feel like that's the strongest case for your suggestion
Cuz you're suggesting a specific variety of buff seemingly for the sake of "it's a buff" without giving much reason for why that buff in specific should be used
Also, it's not an official term, I just thought it'd be intuitive rn.
The mech bosses are parallel, you can choose which one to fight, in any order.
LC and Moon Lord are not parallel, you need to fight one before the other.
pale glacier
ashen warren
heisenberg
pale glacier
Yo
ashen warren
we can get the summoner penelty all removed
unreal viper
No
ashen warren
if you we get it to be toggleable
steep crown
No
pale glacier
Nah
hollow shell
ffs
unreal viper
I’d like the old one
pale glacier
unreal viper
But removing it would be broken
pale glacier
^
hollow shell
Fun fact
Balance changes are made, so that the game is balanced
plain lark
Fun fact sometimes they don't work
steep crown
So we have a direct Progression. From what I see, It'll be Dreadon-->Scal-->Yharim--->Noxus--->Xeroc
hollow shell
That's why testing is a neverending endeavor
steep crown
Edited
plain lark
Hm
hollow shell
yeah there
so
No, the armors made available by each boss will not be class-specific
unreal viper
Sad
pale glacier
Do you think they'll be like auric with different headsets for all classes?
unreal viper
Gonna make me sugg reworks for them huh?
steep crown
I do agree with Hein, its weird that an Armor meant for all classes is so Blantantly Better for summoners
plain lark
Noxus should be the egg at phase one to make it like hatch and then the fight starts
hollow shell
(this is getting a bit off-topic)
unreal viper
Yeah.
plain lark
I concur
steep crown
Demonshade need change. There, Discussion over
Sombody make another suggestion so we can talk about that
plain lark
I think we should have an option of a bar to make the summon damage penalty
hollow shell
I've got a better idea
Do we think Oof's suggestion is valid?
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/699359022364491868/740248183636230195
dapper coral
sure
plain lark
Yee
sand umbra
ye
zealous ridge
fine with it i guess
hollow shell
Alright then
zealous ridge
might not even have to be a config imo
steep crown
No
plain lark
It should
steep crown
Its a config type of change
plain lark
Is annoying for farming imo
zealous ridge
eh
hollow shell
Config is a bit of a weird place to put it, I'll agree
zealous ridge
i could see it being an alternative dog summoning item
hollow shell
I haven't fought new DoG yet so I can't really say how Sentinels phase feels rn
plain lark
Neither I
steep crown
Hell, MoR has entire Sprites in its config, Its hardly the weirdest thing you can use it for
zealous ridge
not a good example honestly
plain lark
I crash at desert scourge pc memory go kaboom
zealous ridge
i dont like config options unless its truly justifiable
i dont think this is really a config thing
steep crown
Then what would it be?
zealous ridge
like i said
craft a different dog summoning item that includes the sentinel phases
pale glacier
Currently there's nothing that gives immunity to SCal's debuff right? (forgot the name of it)
zealous ridge
sort of like a draedon's remote esque challenge
steep crown
That seems unnecessary
zealous ridge
well in that vein i would say draedon's remote is unnessecary
steep crown
You either don't like it, and so you are glad it was removed, or you like it, so you enable the config
hollow shell
Draedon's Remote is unnecessary
Quite so.
But, we're keeping it because of future plans iirc
steep crown
Making people craft a completely different item for a personal choice Isn't good
zealous ridge
i dont get that
but alright
that is literally what draedon's remote is, thats literally what starcore is
steep crown
Starcore is non-consumable
Its meant so that you don't have to go kill Atalases
You don't craft it for a slightly different deus
And Dreadons remote is also 
hollow shell
Speaking of configs, and Forsaken
Is Forsaken's Death-Mode-all-mode toggle sugg valid?
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/699359022364491868/740252180623130714
steep crown
I think people were fine with it
violet dagger
Yes
hollow shell
aight then
How's IHS's ||summon penalty|| suggestion?
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/699359022364491868/740252569854672956
@mortal bison 1.4 suggestions are not allowed. Future content.
Wait until Calamity and tMod update to 1.4 before making suggestions about it
mortal bison
Ahhhh ok that's fair
I felt as if it was something that would need to be discussed and thought community decision would be worth it
hollow shell
Perhaps so, but it'd be better discussed once we're able to do something about it, and see how it is in practice
mortal bison
That's fair. I just think that needing npcs wouldn't work with calamity biomes so it would kinda make them useless. I understand why no suggestioms for future though
Have a great day dude
hollow shell
You too
Anyway
Vijsek's sugg seems reasonable
Not the first time it's been brought up.
mortal bison
Is that a better suggestion?
hollow shell
Yeah that seems valid
radiant meadow
Community gives more flight time
mortal bison
Eh, when you get drews wings that barely matters
Maybe if you go for celestial tracers but with scal you aren't going to be moving sideways much
And drews wings have plenty flight time
radiant meadow
I thought you wanted it buffed for like early post moon lord
hollow shell
"pre-scal"
mortal bison
Nah,
radiant meadow
But like
hollow shell
as in, immediately before
mortal bison
Once you get heart there's like no point in the community
radiant meadow
Yharon is the last boss it scales by
mortal bison
Yeah that's my point
Even prescal when it stops scaling is still beaten all around by the heart
radiant meadow
Then just say buff the community?
mortal bison
I wanted to clarify mainly pre scal when it should be at its best
radiant meadow
It is at its best
mortal bison
But even at its best its worse than the heart
radiant meadow
So then it should just get an overall buff then?
hollow shell
It is a pretty good point of contrast that a pre-ML accessory performs better post-Yharon than an accessory that scales
You could keep it as an example Precision even if it's not the 100% focus
mortal bison
That was it. Maybe jump speed added too since post moonlord you need it
radiant meadow
The suggestion is confusing though
mortal bison
Like maybe when you past providence it gets jump speed added?
radiant meadow
The pre-scal tidbit in the header makes it sound like it scales after scal
mortal bison
Ill edit it to make it clearer if you want
mortal bison
Maybe rover can reword it for me. I'm not amazing at english
Lol
Not that I'm foreign. Just autistic
hollow shell
hm
You could change 'pre-SCal' to 'post-Yharon' if the concern is the implication that it has an SCal scale
mortal bison
Fixed
It just sucks a 1% drop from a boss is worse than an accessory you can pick up just fighting a few elementals
hollow shell
I wouldn't say that HotE is objectively easier to get or less deserving of power than The Community
in general
HotE has a lot of god damn ingredients from all the corners of the world
But I do think that after Yharon, HotE should not be stronger than the scaling accessory
mortal bison
Nah, that rare elemental can be hard to get but yeah you understand my point completely
And as I said maybe a new scaling should be 20% jump boost since as I mentioned is pretty important
Like post prov or somewhere
I would have explained the stats more in detail but there are way too many to discuss about them
So imo just look at them and leave it up to yourself to think about it
hollow shell
I do think it would improve your point if they were included in the suggestion
mortal bison
Sorry, I felt that it would take up too much space
I could rewrite it to explain it more to see how big it ends up?
hollow shell
Hrm, I am looking at the stats and it seems like the only significant lead HotE has over Community
is the jump speed
Damage is about the same, defense is exactly the same.
HotE has better Max Mana and mana usage, and slightly better DR (and much better jump speed).
Community has better Max HP, crit chance, movement speed, life regen, melee speed, and minion KB (the best stat).
cobalt pewter
Speaking of The Community, would Draedon and SCal count towards its scaling later on? Just asking
hollow shell
SCal probably will once she gets demoted from Superboss status
I don't know if that'll happen in the Draedon update or Yharim update (prolly the latter)
mortal bison
I don't find minion knockback that important against bosses that can't really get knockedbsck
hollow shell
Yes of course
radiant meadow
Won't know til there are more bosses tbh
hollow shell
minion KB is a joke :P
cobalt pewter
Mmmkay
hollow shell
but, all those other stats it does have a lead on
cobalt pewter
Maybe some endgame accs can slightly boost crit chance of minions?
Idk, maybe Community can give an additional 2% after beating Yharon or smth
mortal bison
Plus that +0.5 damage is a pain at post-yharon because that's still 0.5% damage
cobalt pewter
Just throwing shit around
mortal bison
That you're missing out on
hollow shell
+0.5% is so minuscule
mortal bison
Plus life regen is pretty useless against bosses like Yharon or scal when your main healing is potions
0.5% is still like 10-15k dps you're missing out on
Which is pretty significant in some areas
Like I don't want it to get a huge buff. But I think it deserves to slightly beat out HotE in most areas
Because it is a legendary
radiant meadow
Iirc community regen only serves to counteract dot, without negative regen it does nothing I think
And getting drunk sets regen to the weakest setting regardless of progression
mortal bison
Plus as I mentioned jump speed is pretty important and with the community having stats that aren't amazingly helpful minion knockback. It feels odd to not use HotE instead
radiant meadow
So would this just be solved by adding jump speed to the community?
mortal bison
Like I just want it buffed enough to the point of if you have it you might as well use it. But if you don't you don't really need it over hote
cobalt pewter
I'm down with replacing minion knockback on community
mortal bison
@radiant meadow that and maybe an extra 1-2% on that damage
cobalt pewter
Not only it affects only minions, it also is quite miniscule
mortal bison
9.5 on community vs hote 10 is eh
Just make it go over slightly more
Then it'd be pretty balanced
That max life is pretty good on it
And the -15% dot ain't bad either
But it just feels lacking in more important stats compared to hote
Does anyone actually use hote with the elementals on?
ashen warren
Summoner maybe
mortal bison
Maybe
But post-yharon no because they don't really do much damage them
Then
So yeah, get rid of minion knockback and replace it with jump speed, buff the damage by 1% or 2% maybe crit chance to 6% or 7% because 4 is underwhelming
Then fixed honestly
tawny garden
SCal probably will once she gets demoted from Superboss status
I don't know if that'll happen in the Draedon update or Yharim update (prolly the latter)
Last I heard she isn't a superboss
pale glacier
What does superboss even mean lmao? If it means that she's the last boss then yea she is
pale glacier
Why would SCal be extra? Isn't she a part of the lore too?
hollow shell
Once Yharim comes out, he will be the final boss, SCal will become a normal boss below him, and Noxus & Xeroc will be the extra superbosses
(which is a bit more elegant than current)
pale glacier
Hmm I guess I get what you mean
mortal bison
Wait who's yharim and noxus and xeroc? Is it in the lore?
hollow shell
Yeah
pale glacier
I know of Yharim and Xeroc but I'm gonna have to google Noxus
hollow shell
Yharim is the central lore dude, big evil tyrant guy, who fucked up the world and pretty much every weird thing you see is because of him in some way
Noxus is Cthulhu Satan, and Xeroc is God
cobalt pewter
Yharim, the Jungle Tyrant
mortal bison
Why the fuck is there like 50 jungle bosses
cobalt pewter
Or Jungle Tyrant, Yharim to be similar with Yharon, but idk
It's just Yharim's title ig?
Idk
pale glacier
Once Yharim comes out, he will be the final boss, SCal will become a normal boss below him, and Noxus & Xeroc will be the extra superbosses
I don't get why people would call them extra superbosses, I mean they are a part of the lore and they will be in the game so calling them extra seems weird
hollow shell
Jungle is important in Terraria and it's important in Calamity too
mortal bison
No but like we have plantera, plaguebringer goliath, yharon, i think there was one more
Was jungle important? I'm probably dumb as shit right now
hollow shell
Well you got Queen Bee, Plantera, and Golem in vanilla
And in both pre-HM and HM it's a central spot for gettin materials
tawny garden
I guess Merk is wrong
golden narwhal
Queen bee and dragonfolly
hollow shell
Yeah I don't know what Merk is referring to
cobalt pewter
Oh yeah Golem technically is part of jungle
Well Aureus got a boost in its jump
As it will roughly follow your altitude
In 1.4.5
tawny garden
This kinda feels too specific
cobalt pewter
And yes
tawny garden
Maybe that's just me
cobalt pewter
The point #3 is enough imo
Which I would agree
This is also the same case with brimmy, calclone and rav post provi
little helm
ah ok
hollow shell
Anyway
How's IHS's ||summon penalty|| sugg?
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/699359022364491868/740252569854672956
dry latch
sounds good. ||make summoner x rogue great again||
||really tho. the punishment should be moved to the other classes using free summons instead of summoners using non summon weps||
cobalt pewter
non-summon class armor should reduce summon damage instead of non-summon weapons
hollow shell
aight welp
sand umbra
many approvals
hollow shell
We were waiting on sised but I don't think he's coming in the next 3 hours before his sugg gets yoten
so, it's fine
Also I disagree with the Life Crystal sugg but figured it was valid. They were pinged and didn't bother editing anything so w/e
(I gotta be more lenient with the approvals so that less suggs die)
You should probably have an "instead of" in your top line, Feedza
so people don't think you're adding another condition for the penalty to be enacted, on top of the existing one, somehow
cobalt pewter
I kinda added that at first, but I assume the way my sugg works, it can be combined with the current system
So it's still pretty punishing for summoners to multiclass, but it'd be even more punishing for non-summoners
hollow shell
could say something like ", and the current held-weapon damage penalty would be reduced or removed."
(I think so at least. Might not be an issue)
cobalt pewter
I guess I'll focus on synergizing the concept with the current system instead of going on a limbo
dry latch
the problem with not supporting multiclassing is that multiclass armor exist
cobalt pewter
Yes, and I should mention that global armor won't trigger this at all
And yes, shit like Omega Blue exists
There we go, changed the sugg a lil bit
hollow shell
Alright
cobalt pewter
I initially wanted it to disable penalty when the full armor is equipped, but there are some weirdos who mix and match armors, so I just ended up with headpieces, which usually are the most class-focused out of the three pieces
an extreme alternative to my suggestion is that summons wouldn't be able to be spawned when you don't use summon armor headpieces
hollow shell
Anything wrong with these three suggs?
Feedza's Skele, Jirou's summon acc, and Joshua's On Fire?
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/699359022364491868/740254700276023369
(Ping the user if you have feedback on any)
frail mantle
i'd say a summon slot acc pre-DS would be a bit too strong and might end up making the Voltaic Jelly feel less strong
ashen warren
Yeah they seem fine
hollow shell
You got anything for them to edit/add to their sugg @frail mantle or do you just disagree entirely?
frail mantle
i just disagree
hollow shell
People generally disagreed and didn't like his tone, and lack of stats/comparisons.
He was pinged but I guess he just ignored it
frail mantle
ic
hollow shell
@white canyon Reminder that you got pinged about your suggestion
(you can repost it with the specified improvements whenever you wish)
while we wait for him ig
How're Lucien's Viper sugg and Forsaken's Astral Armor sugg?
#suggestions-posting message
frail mantle
they're fine, i'd say
zenith hazel
wasn't the meld rework's entire purpose to make it not a lunar fragment?
hollow shell
Technically the meld rework isn't totally finished but... yes
zenith hazel
yea so it shouldn't go into galactica singularity
frail mantle
@ashen warren see above
hollow idol
it won't be free from the lunar fragment chains by the community until it stops dropping from pillar enemies :BackPain:
ashen warren
...
hollow idol
summoner
gray nebula
yeah summoner dies
but thats the same for a lot of other sets
meld isnt the rogue lunar fragment, but its a separate set that also gives rogue an armor set for early post ml
hollow shell
A strange role, it has
hollow idol
Meld was supposed to be yet another calamity ore-mor set and it somehow got to where it is now because the ore was never coded
hollow shell
A strange history, it's had
Kinda makes you question the set's purpose as a whole, when its items are all remnants from the beginning of the mod
Also, important:
Forsaken's Astral Armor sugg is the first sugg to require 240 stars.
tawny garden
First one after the raise that is
hollow shell
indeed
(I'll start approving Thomas's material suggs in the morning. They're a bigger deal so the more people present the better)
frail mantle
real steppe
Honestly, Astral Armor needs to be earlier, not later
white canyon
so as i was saying that monstrous knives needs a buff because its healing is pathetic, i did some testing on desert scourge as he is a worm so he has a larger hit box, and it took me around 19 seconds to recover 50 HP. which is low on my opinion. also one more thing that, it is very bad against enemies with smaller hit box ( unless you are very close to them ) as knives spread out and not all knives hit the target, which in return we recover far less HP. Using this for boss fights is a death wish, as the knives have limited range, you have to stay near the boss in order to recover HP, and in difficulty like death mode, this will easily get you killed, it is better do dodge and deal Damage then risking your life for a mere amount of HP. hopefully this helps.
@hollow shell
hot vault
hollow idol
I agree with Astral being moved because Lunar armors(and empyrean for rogue) are basically the only armors viable at that point
heck, I think its the only tier in the game that doesnt have a calamity multiclass set or an armor with multiple helmets
tawny garden
Yes, it's the only one
unkempt bolt
while astrum aureus' attack pool is certainly limited
he definitely has attacks other than jumping and shooting lasers
he has the homing crystals and aureus spawns
both of which add something important to the fight
mortal bison
I do think he deserves a second set of attacks imo
Maybe have him change up slightly
Its basically the same thing through the entire fight
cobalt pewter
Tfw the sugg I posted and haven't been submitted for voting yet ended up in #changelogs
golden narwhal
Its basically the same thing through the entire fight
I mean, he has more changes throughout the fight than some other bosses stares at AS
ashen warren
eh I think astrum aureus could use the ooa ogre stomp kind of attack
could make his stomp a little more impactful and follow the title of his theme
azure jewel
:o I missed rover going over my suggestion
I know it's just a move to voting but still
happy dance
void kelp
#suggestions-posting message this suggestion valid?
frail mantle
it doesn't really have any reasoning aside from "home defense purposes"
void kelp
“Additional sentry options” could be a better way to phrase it
frail mantle
well the ||Pulse Turret Remote already summons the sentry that defends the lab||
cobalt pewter
- Changing how the hellblasts work: instead of brimmy shooting a curved line of them towards the player, she would shoot them from sides of the screen. They will still gain speed as they travel.
- Adding something similar Profaned Guardians' main guardian attack to Brimmy as she chases the player
Would these be too specific for a brimmy rework sugg?
My intention is to shift the power on the hellblast phase to the chase one
sand umbra
simple sugg so my brain doesn't stop working trying to defend it. I just woke up 
zealous ridge
thomas youve been dispensing these things like crazy
pretty cool regardless, im fine with it
robust lava
You misspelt Solstice in the header Kristaps
zealous ridge
hellkite hasnt had its recipe change since its conception if i recall
sand umbra
chozo I have a whole damn list of these things to draw from
zealous ridge
the recent old content page has helped with this
sand umbra
I have a rather long list of suggs I wanna try and push
whether or not I will be successful...remains to be seen for many of them 
zealous ridge
interesting focus on materials recently
sand umbra
ye, been getting a lot of the recipe- and material-focused ones outta the way
gray nebula
just like compile them and then don't put them through voting and ask rover to append the good ones to his own compilation of suggestions to make the mod better
sand umbra
zealous ridge
sand umbra
you make a valid argument
void marsh
i have fixed the spelling error
distant gyro
zealous ridge
just send my oc weapon ideas straight to fabsol
quasi sinew
I just want shadowspec toilet
gray nebula
sending all of these kinda inconsequential small fixes one by one doesn't sound like the best idea idk
no memes
quasi sinew
Kk
sand umbra
also you already have Auric Toilet
zealous ridge
which im very mad about by the way
sand umbra
which is sorta the pinnacle of modded furniture
gray nebula
you give them a hand and they take the whole arm
gray nebula
yeah my godly aura manages to convince rulebreakers to stop without even needing mod perms
void marsh
also, on the topic of toilets, the only other modded toilets that make sense are the botanic toilet, cosmilite toilet and silva toilet
gray nebula
no
void marsh
because it doesn't make sense that you use chairs to craft a toilet
sand umbra
oh yeah on that note can I bribe someone to make Bloodstone furniture
void marsh
but still. chairs turned into a toilet
gray nebula
alter ra
zealous ridge
good luck thomas
void marsh
that doesn't make sense
gray nebula
but before bloodstone furniture gets made the set itself needs a resprite
tawny garden
Why are you obsessed with fucking toilets when there's so much more stuff that the mod would benefit from?
gray nebula
and idk it kind makes sense
gray nebula
just cuz a hole through the chair
void marsh
at least terra toilet is crafted from a regular toilet and not a chair
gray nebula
and ok wow haha funny sprites get resprited multiple times
sand umbra
let it stay as it is, it looks fine in its current state 
gray nebula
doesn't stop people from redoing them more
sand umbra
vruh
zealous ridge
auric toilet existing is enough to cause this
they brought this upon themselves
cobalt pewter
south sleet
this is probably common knowledge but what do the colors on the suggestions mean?
azure jewel
In voting you mean?
south sleet
ye
azure jewel
south sleet
ok sorry
azure jewel
robust lava
In the vein of Thomas making very specific suggestions, is there any reason why the Rusty Chest is crafted differently from pretty much every other chest?
sand umbra
who knows
you're welcome to suggest that it becomes more like other chests in terms of its crafting recipe
robust lava
I was ready
distant gyro
problem with invisibility potions
clever canopy
Stealth invisibility has a toggle, but not the potions
distant gyro
technically if you can't see your character your stealth regen should be massive considering the skills it takes to dodge while concealed
it doesn't because it causes broken balance if you're "too good" with it
but if you remove invisibility potion's invisibility then that removes the whole point of the potion, to make you invisible
cobalt pewter
Personally stealth is still kinda gimmicky even with the new modifiers
clever canopy
but if you remove invisibility potion's invisibility then that removes the whole point of the potion, to make you invisible
@distant gyro That's why I'm not asking for it to be removed, but to have a toggle to let the player decide
Also you're right that in vanilla that's the whole point, but calamity gives invisibility rogue buffs
distant gyro
yeah that still counts as removal in one mean
maybe, just maybe
you can adjust the amount of how invisible you are with invisibility pots
and your increased stealth regen varies accordingly
how's that for a suggestion
distant gyro
that is true
distant gyro
invis pot is only for rogue, truffle worm, and assassinating people in multiplayer
nothing else
clever canopy
Well with mods like luiafk and fargo's you get infinite buffs if you have enough potions
distant gyro
you can toggle invis with luiafk
distant gyro
idk abt fargo
tawny garden
Isn't it like... an indicator?
cobalt pewter
?
clever canopy
Not many other potions have an indicator other than the buffs at the top left
In fact this removes an indicator for rogue stealth as well
cobalt pewter
Again, Calamity doesn't necessarily need to cater to other mods for simple things like infinite potions
clever canopy
I'm not saying it does, it's annoying with calamity on it's own
tawny garden
Ah yes, stealth bar exists 🤦♂️
I'm an idiot
clever canopy
The other mods just increase the amount that it's annoying
cobalt pewter
Well out of 3 conditions in the sugg where you considered invis/shadow pots are annoying, only one is relevant
Even then, it's designed like that
clever canopy
You can't even really defend it from a balance perspective because you can literally counter it by putting a sticker on the middle of your monitor (like I have now)
cobalt pewter
You dodge harder, but in exchange, you got some additional buffs
...what
I mean
You do you
But
What
tawny garden
lol
clever canopy
If it's stupid and it works it's not stupid
cobalt pewter
If it's stupid and it works, it still looks stupid, but it works
tawny garden
No, something that works can also be stupid
cobalt pewter
Those are personal stuff
clever canopy
It's an expression
cobalt pewter
The point of calam's invis potion is that you dodge harder for rogue bonuses
Though I'd be more focused on the bigger things
dry latch
what kinda potion has a demerit
tawny garden
Yeah, calamity isn't balanced around irl stuff
clever canopy
Again, you can't defend it from a balance perspective as I've countered the only gameplay downside with a piece of paper
tawny garden
Booze is also a potion
dry latch
and rogue stealth invi has a toggle cuz people realized that it's useless
heck, it's not just useless, it's detrimental
and it doesn't even make you invi unless you stop attacking, which is likely to happen when you try to build stealth
cobalt pewter
Again, we should be looking at the bigger thing: Stealth. No one wants to be invisible because stealth strikes are garbage almost throughout the playthru
dry latch
that's a seperate problem tho. no one wants to be invisible period
I've found stealth strikes usefull in events tho
cobalt pewter
That's quite generalized tho. Considering if stealth is worth being invisible for, people would definitely go for stealth a lot more
Currently it's uh
Dogshit
To be blunt
tawny garden
No like
If stealth boosted your damage by 300% you would accept the invisibility drawback
cobalt pewter
For the most part
tawny garden
Although 300% is a hopless proposition
cobalt pewter
No one wants to go invisible right now because building stealth is almost never worth it
Aside from a couple weapons maybe
fossil pumice
i think what the sugg is saying is nobody wants to be invisible period because it's annoying and detracts from your vanity stuff
dry latch
like I said, stealth is viable for events. cuz you're likely to have walls to hide from lol
^
fossil pumice
and makes it hard to dodge which is counterable in a pretty easy way
(the sticker)
cobalt pewter
Idk, just, don't drink the potions?
fossil pumice
they provide a buff that the author clearly wants though
dry latch
and you can get said buff even without being invisible (just keep attacking)
clever canopy
and you can get said buff even without being invisible (just keep attacking)
@dry latch That only applies to stealth invisibility, not the invisibility from pots
dry latch
wait really? I'm pretty sure I've already disabled stealth invi
sand umbra
so is Cataclysm's sugg good
cobalt pewter
Again, formatting issues
dry latch
wasn't there already a wep for that?
cobalt pewter
Poof
sand umbra
so now: are my suggs from yesterday good so I can bully someone into approving them
cobalt pewter
Anyway rover is still ded
sturdy geyser
your suggestions from yesterday are good
dry latch
hmmm... I like calcium pots tho
cobalt pewter
Yeah your suggs are fine
cobalt pewter
Now that I think about it, if you made calcium made with bones, you're essentially locking the potion behind skelly
cobalt pewter
At which point the potion would be mostly irrelevant
cobalt pewter
Not talking about that
onyx river
BoB is better yeah
sand umbra
there are no other wings to talk about post-Skeletron
cobalt pewter
There are only 2 bosses post skeletron
sturdy geyser
i use skyline wings 
cobalt pewter
None of which essentially requiring fall-dmg tier jumps
sand umbra
none of the bosses prior to Skeletron require "fall-dmg tier jumps"
what is your point
again, there are multiple tools to increase your fall damage resistance to the point that it basically doesn't matter pre-HM anyway
Bounding Potions make all your problems begone
sand umbra
anywho I'm not having this argument again
the sugg's focus isn't Calcium Potions
can we stop making it about them
dry latch
but it's a side effect
clever canopy
Yeah please stop derailing suggestions by bringing up unrelated things, like when my suggestion is a QoL invisibility change and you start complaining that stealth needs reworked, it's not helpful or relevant
sand umbra
the issue of Calcium Potions can be solved by the devs if and when they actually get there
dry latch
true. so long as it's valid, it should have a chance at voting
sand umbra
Fire Gauntlet is post-Golem because it's actually an objective upgrade over Mechanical Glove in Cal
distant gyro
design philosophy dictates that mechanical glove being immediately upgradeable into fire gauntlet is bad because the latter invalidates the former (at least in calamity; in vanilla it's even worse because you upgrade something to get something worse)
this is why
- lazinator got moved to post-mechs (laser rifle)
- hell burst got moved to post-prime (crystal vile shard)
- crystal flare staff got moved to post-plantera (frost staff)
- clock gatlignum got moved to post-golem (venus magnum)
- barracuda gun got moved to post-golem (piranha gun)
etc you get the idea
cobalt pewter
In vanilla, it was more of a choice imo, as Fire Gauntlet trades 2% of melee damage and speed with fire effect, which is dogshit in vanilla for me, so it's usually a downgrade even
hollow shell
@covert siren
sand umbra
hi Rover 
hollow shell
hullo
cobalt pewter
Heyo rover
hollow shell
"The Fire Gauntlet's melee speed and damage have been increased from 10% to 14%. Its recipe also has been changed, now requiring an additional 5 Scoria Bars to craft."
https://calamitymod.gamepedia.com/Vanilla_changes
cobalt pewter
Byeah, fire gauntlet is actually better in calam as it's +4% instead of -2% from mech glove
I was confused as well
frail mantle
fire gauntlet stacks with mech glove
covert siren
Oh
south sleet
im not as adamant about this idea to have it be a suggestion yet but i wanted to pitch it out there
does anyone else wish that the heart of the elements only needed the summon weapons of all the related elementals to craft and not the aero/cryo/bloom stones?
idk about you guys but the non summon stones seem to take way way longer to grind then the summon ones
and people usually only want the heart because you get 5 elements to fight for you, not the extra buffs like flower boots effect
frail mantle
when i go for HotE it's for the boosts
hollow shell
The stats you get by turning the Elementals off are good too
There was a sugg about it yesterday, they compete with The Community even in endgame
frail mantle
it's an alright filler accessory if you have an open slot and nothing better to use
south sleet
i use it because i wanna be summoner without being summoner on every non summon class playthrough i do
i just always find it a pain to grind for the items that arent the summon stones
taking them away would make a mid-late hardmode accessory early hardmode which might be seen as OP but
radiant meadow
Mechanical glove is still post mechs, so it's not as soon as you can just farm wof
hollow shell
Considering there's a demand for both, maybe suggest that the accessory get split into 2 accessories?
south sleet
this might be because i got unlucky and had to fight like 13 plaguebringer goliaths for one bloom stone but
radiant meadow
it's a 10% drop chance
so that's not super unlucky
at 13 kills with a 10% drop chance, there's roughly a 25% chance you won't get the bloom stone
hollow shell
(probability is funny)
tawny garden
1 - ((1 - p)^n)
cobalt pewter
pp lots of pp
tawny garden
funy
cobalt pewter
Wait what's that formula for
robust lava
The chance you don't get an item after a certain number of attempts
cobalt pewter
Now what is n
robust lava
I think?
cobalt pewter
Ohh
tawny garden
p is probability of it dropping after one kill
cobalt pewter
n is the number of rolls?
south sleet
and yeah probability is cool and all but then there's also how long it takes to kill a single plaguebringer goliath when youre at that specific point in the game
robust lava
I got it wrong, it's the chance you do get the item after a certain number of attempts
gray nebula
(Hote isn't locked by pbg because of the bloom stone)
south sleet
especially if you mess up and die any point during those attempts
hollow shell
Ancient Manipulator, aye?
south sleet
it didnt seem that powerful to me to be essentially a moon lord accessory but eh i dont make the game
also with pre plaguebringer weapons it definitely does not take only 2 minutes to kill a plaguebringer goliath
tawny garden
HotE is viable at SCal
south sleet
i keep forgetting which items need which forges
man this would be a nightmare without magic storage
so many crafting stations
hollow shell
That's why Drae's Forge smushes so many together
dapper coral
draedon's forge is the ultimate station, yes. which makes it ideal for the millions of materials that you obtain in endgame
violet dagger
"ultimate crafting station"
-doesnt function as a work bench iirc
tawny garden
it does now
violet dagger
good
tawny garden
and did for a while
dapper coral
wait, it didn't? that's mildly hilarious
sand umbra
you can make all the most complicated bullshit in the world including Draedon's personal blade and bootlegged Yharim armor
violet dagger
im still laughing at the SoA flarium stuff where u need 3 different stations, flarium workbench to make the anvil, and then anvil to make the forge, dont ask why its weird
violet dagger
dapper coral
alchemy station makes sense though, i think
patent gorge
It is the most powerful weapon, obviously.
dapper coral
but yes, no biome blade for you
hollow shell
anyway
sand umbra
IN ANY EVENT
hollow shell
Thomas's material suggs
Are they aight
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/699359022364491868/740316619468832891
tawny garden
yes
dapper coral
i'd say so
violet dagger
yes
ashen warren
Yes
hollow shell
Cool
tawny garden
time to mass star
sand umbra
tawny garden
I think before #suggestions-posting happened I starred about 40-50% of the suggs
and now I'm starring ~95%
radiant meadow
draedon's forge has had a work bench function for like well over a year now
if not longer
cobalt pewter
There's not much effort on that last sugg tbh
dapper coral
please come up with an actual reason, if you're going to suggest something
frail mantle
not exactly a meme sugg bit it definitely has meme reasoning
dapper coral
indeed
radiant meadow
isn't that a vanilla item?
civic pond
is it?
radiant meadow
Renaming a vanilla item seems pointless
dapper coral
so it is
frail mantle
i think it is
dapper coral
i always thought it was modded
civic pond
huh.
radiant meadow
Mandible Claws are added by Cal
dapper coral
alright, well then that's definitely pointless
robust lava
I guess they got it confused with the Claws or the Bow
ashen warren
because of how rare it is
radiant meadow
Mandible Blade is a 1.3 item introduced with the underground desert
ashen warren
yes very rare
dapper coral
mm, so cal adds the claws and the bow
ashen warren
yes
radiant meadow
I think its only relevance in Cal is to make the Red Sun
dapper coral
@heady rain there's no point in changing a vanilla item, but if you want to suggest the same thing for the Bow or Claws with proper, non-just-because-funny reasoning, then go ahead
radiant meadow
Burnt Sienna exists in the same place and has healing.
hollow shell
Pun suggestions have gotten through before
(Portabulb being one)
But this is a vanilla item
radiant meadow
More substance would be better for the suggestion
ashen warren
don't you change vanilla items already?
radiant meadow
not the names
tawny garden
Rename Calamity Mod to CalaMod
tawny garden
wait, Portabulb once was "Portable bulb"?
dapper coral
alright time to clean up suggposting: is IHS's sugg alright? https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/699359022364491868/740329365514092574
ashen warren
yes nerf
radiant meadow
Astral Injection requires spamming quick buff at the cost of life
dapper coral
if you would like to suggest a nerf for the Astral Injection then go ahead
but yeah it uses life
which is a fair trade imo
cobalt pewter
[[Astral Injection]]
red stormBOT
ashen warren
Astral Injection requires spamming quick buff at the cost of life
do you know how crazy life regen at that stage of the game
radiant meadow
you don't really need to use the wiki bot in this context if you're bringing it up for yourself
ashen warren
or at least the stage where the player is risking it
radiant meadow
then you can suggest it be nerfed.
sand umbra
time to push for Astral Injections instantly killing you when used in rapid succession
hollow shell
(I don't think it's that outlandish to link to the wiki page for the item currently being discussed, Ben)
distant gyro
i thought injection is a sleeper agent
radiant meadow
My stance is that wiki bot should be used if someone is asking about something.
and nobody was asking.
distant gyro
no sane person uses it until they do
hollow shell
Mana Regen pots are indeed stronk
radiant meadow
Outlandish or not, I still believe wiki bot should be restricted to wiki lookup when necessary
dapper coral
alrighty, how bout this one? https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/699359022364491868/740355497328377978
tawny garden
byeah you can't play the class without mana regen
hollow shell
Boosting minion movement speed isn't really possible but everything else is fine
heady lichen
I'd love more summon weapons that deal actual damage
hollow shell
More summoner support weps
heady lichen
like borealis bomber and such
hollow shell
(which is uhh, it'll come, with 1.4)
tawny garden
that sugg is kinda 2 in 1
dapper coral
oh, their suggestion is referring to increasing player movement speed and minion damage, not minion movement speed
which is confusing
from the header
heady lichen
or whatever its called
tawny garden
at least the header makes it feel as though it's 2 in 1
hollow shell
I think they forgot what their suggestion was mid-suggest
They say minion up above, and player below
tawny garden
lol
hollow shell
@dense fiber ?
dapper coral
it's a bit 2-in-1, but i think they both go towards expanding summoner class
i think they just didn't put player in the heading
heady lichen
the one that summons homing meteorites from your cursor
tawny garden
the title could be clearer
radiant meadow
the hydrothermic melee helm sugg is a repost
I already approved it a few weeks ago, and it hasn't changed.
hollow shell
Indeed it is
dapper coral
ah, in that case i'll just get rid of it
radiant meadow
it just stagnated at 155 stars
tawny garden
no
dapper coral
er
radiant meadow
no I mean
dapper coral
wait
radiant meadow
you can approve it
dapper coral
forgot the system for a sec
subtle oracle
Hydrothermic/Ataxia was always meant to be for mages anyways right?
dapper coral
sshh philo
subtle oracle
lol
hollow shell
Originally yes Krast but not anymore