Especially since they gave him more hp
#suggestions-discussion
smoky wagon
I found him hard enough before
So yeah moving the bloom stone to plantera is a very good change
hollow shell
jfc we need other mods in these channels
Either that or we gotta extend the sugg kill time
I have all three dead suggs saved
sand umbra
petition to lengthen sugg kill time to 48 hours
hollow shell
I was thinking just 36 but 48 might be fine
sand umbra
48 effectively gives any sugg two full days to be noticed which should be more than enough
rn, this whole "sugg dies before it can be validated" thing happens way too often
gray nebula
fringe sky
speaking about suggestions I just created a suggestion 😛
gray nebula
"because the devs/testers cant keep a perfect wiki/discord changelog, lets make them make another one"
surely the 3rd time's the charm
surely they wont forget to list every single change
wooden wedge
https://calamitymod.gamepedia.com/1.4.5.001 oops spilled my changelog
fringe sky
wouldn't that be still recorded in some way within github though? or through internal programming?
gray nebula
and also like imagine keeping up a compelte changelog that goes all the way back to 1.0
yes its recorded, but putting it in this "ingame" changelog wouldnt be automatic
dapper coral
and also like :Hage: imagine keeping up a compelte changelog that goes all the way back to 1.0
which won't even exist for a hella long time because pain
wooden wedge
older versions of calamity are basically lost
gray nebula
@ yuh
fringe sky
I know that there's some missing information, mainly coming from the v1.3 update
wooden wedge
YuH only goes back so far
gray nebula
p sure yuh has the first version of calam
dapper coral
YuH is a god among humans, but it will still take him a veeeery long time
gray nebula
look at the wiki theres a page about 1.0
sand umbra
yeah there are pages on the wiki about the eldest versions of Calamity
fringe sky
yeah so the earlier versions should be covered
sand umbra
as always, immense props to YuH for making the impossible possible
fringe sky
it's mainly the ones following 1.2
because I couldn't find anything surround v1.3 in the wiki
violet dagger
someone made a video on the first version of calam 
robust lava
They're still working on the wiki changelog pages
fringe sky
also there is a source of versions via https://github.com/MountainDrew8/CalamityMod/releases
dapper coral
we do things when we do things, at wiki
and changelogs are one of those things that will be done a veeery long time from now
fringe sky
I didn't realize that a huge update just dropped
dapper coral
because they are so massive
fringe sky
right but those versions should already be covered in the wiki
wooden wedge
wiki changelogs are extremely recent
fringe sky
also I'm still very early in the game personally, but i've been watching calamity videos as a reference/guide but there were changes made between then and now which I've been trying to contextualize
robust lava
They only just started working on the changelogs for the wiki, so I feel this sugg might need to wait until they've got those in order before thinking about anything in game?
fringe sky
that I also didn't realize, I thought the changelog pages were around for a while
distant gyro
history stuff will mostly be on the backseat
distant gyro
especially when big updates come out
dapper coral
and uh, there is a hell of a lot of stuff to do before the changelogs are finished
hollow shell
Indeed, changelog pages are a recent project
violet dagger
the major updates like acid rain, astral/boss rush update(the one that replaced the slime) and big number updates like 1.2, 1.3, 1.4 should be the priority
imo
smaller updates dont really matter as much
dapper coral
anyway, point is that changelogs don't exist in a nearly-close-to-full capacity anywhere
so there's no way that they're coming to ingame anytime soon
fringe sky
that's fair then
mainly it was that I didn't realize how recent the changelog project was / thought that it might've been useful to have that as a reference in game too if the lack of the wiki info came from difficulty in official sourcing
tawny garden
jfc we need other mods in these channels
Either that or we gotta extend the sugg kill time
sugg manager role?
dapper coral
(or new mod apps)
fringe sky
not that it was just a recent project that is in the works
dapper coral
(as in, the ones that are already active)
tawny garden
they aren't active
dapper coral
fair enough
you may as well delete it now, then
or save it for like a year's time
(i mean the ones that are currently being decided right now, Philo)
fringe sky
yeah i'll go over and delete it
dapper coral
Aero Stone should be overall the better of the two.
because it's a boss drop?
bc if so, say that
distant gyro
rare boss drop
hallow kraken
yeah that
distant gyro
for the full thing
hollow shell
He does kinda say that yeah
dapper coral
kind of, yeah
i'd prefer a more explicit statement with that, though
maybe that's just me
dapper coral
specificity is bad, clarity is not
gray nebula
did piano post the source or
hollow shell
I can't really tell
dapper coral
wdym
gray nebula
tawny garden
👀
gray nebula
idk i cant rly tell
hollow shell
Sorry I was checkin the "compare" boxes and seeing that it wasn't detecting any changes
tepid root
the "source" there only has a file called README
hollow shell
Better should delete to be safe
tepid root
so, no
wooden wedge
tepid root
hollow shell
Do we think @ancient echo 's suggestion was fine?
Change ground-type summon ai
All boss arenas somehow consist of platforms, considering this, melee-type ground summons are unable to target enemies on lower levels of arenas, and often get stuck in nooks and crannies. By changing the ai of these type of summon to be platform friendly they can be made more viable. A way to solve these summons getting stuck might be to draw all of the summons to the players/mouse position on a right click through platforms(and perhaps blocks if they are out of a certain range). Lastly, another change might be to allow summon weapons to repeatedly summon the last slot like most vanilla weapons.
tawny garden
I told them to edit it to clarify that they talk about stuff like the hermit crab
ancient echo
oh oops
hollow shell
You can repost that whenever you want, Sigil
cobalt pewter
Oh wait
hollow shell
Gotta ask Dan
gray nebula
@junior tendon
cobalt pewter
I'll yeet the sugg for now
hollow shell
Template's missing from the wiki page, I'll add it
gray nebula
wazit before he awnsers
junior tendon
huh
hollow shell
There was a suggestion about giving ||Final Dawn|| a melee variant
cobalt pewter
Lemme repost here for context
||The Final Dawn should have a melee variant.||
||The Final Dawn has two non-stealth attacks: You can throw the scythe by pressing up and attack, while using only attack swings the scythe like a melee weapon.
With the way the weapon works and the fact that many rogue weapons have melee variants, The Final Dawn, in my opinion, deserves a melee variant. As for its stealth strikes, it can be integrated into using "Interact" button, taking the role of stealth strikes. Those attacks could definitely be rebalanced for the melee variant though.||
junior tendon
yeah uh no. Yharon already has enough melee drops
cobalt pewter
Alright
fringe sky
wait is that not the actual calamitymod github repo?
hollow shell
Definitely isn't, Piano
fringe sky
oh
hollow shell
It just lists all the tMod files and has mostly empty readmes
junior tendon
I chose rogue for this because Yharon has like... one rogue drop
(which is lame btw, to me at least)
cobalt pewter
What is it again?
junior tendon
so I went with something unique
cobalt pewter
I think it's a spear or smth
hollow shell
Infernal Spear, yes
junior tendon
Infernal Spear byeah
hollow shell
which just throws a homing projectile
hollow shell
mmm homie
junior tendon
my heart and soul went into making this thing
and I am glad that it got a lot of positive response
hollow shell
||Final Dawn|| is pretty epic yeah
cobalt pewter
Again, really sorry, it was very cool btw
junior tendon
if it had a melee variant then uh- that would kinda take from its uniqueness
hollow shell
This sounds fine
dapper coral
i don't see why not
gray nebula
pretty sure your weapon is like
in most top 3 favorite weaposn from the new update
alongside ||phaseslayer and andromeda||if i had to guess
dapper coral
unless putting spawns near ||the Astral Monolith which may not be in the same place every time|| is kinda funky
cobalt pewter
I mean, it has 4 attacks and the non stealth ones look p cool
junior tendon
those other two weps are also amazing byeah Iban
gray nebula
looks like ||gigantic slashes|| are the new trend
junior tendon
ancient echo
the hand drawn vfx are poggers
steep crown
I mean, its your item, so...
cobalt pewter
Tfw ||Final Dawn's|| yeet attack won't break hooks when you're latched and using that attack
ancient echo
bobbit hook is already broken tbh
junior tendon
I coded it so I can EASILY fix that
since I actually had to write up hook-killing code for something
imma send that to the devs :v
tawny garden
I think Forsaken's sugg should just be "||Make it obvious that you need a drop from an Atlas to summon Astrum Deus||", cause the sugg's reasoning just says that you can't know how to summon him without using the Wiki
because you're mostly sugging a gimmick, without a (imo) good enough reason to have that gimmick
steep crown
I mean, If you go to the ||Beacon||, Chances are you will kill an Atlas with the increased spawnrates, And I think they have a 100% chance to drop the heart
hollow shell
||The problem is that the hearts have no tooltip and the altar has no hover-over icon (afaik, feel free to correct me), so how would you know to plop em in the altar||
tawny garden
draws a connection between the two
it kinda doesn't for me, maybe you should elaborate more
hollow shell
Alright epic they do have a tooltip
||Also used at the Astral Beacon||
I'll add to the wiki
steep crown
I mean, Its like if you started seeing Bee's near one tree in your backyard, much more than anywhere else, You'd assume they have a hive there or something
tawny garden
- it still kind of doesn't solve the problem that there's no way to know how to summon the boss
- but if I don't go outside I won't see the bees, so like
how would the people know that the ||monolith|| helps you?
hollow shell
I mean you only need to kill one ||Atlas|| to find out you need to use the ||hearts|| at the ||Beacon||
Cuz, it's in the tooltip
steep crown
Its a Giant Pillar, Why would it be there if not to be used somehow?
hollow shell
it's a 100% drop chance. One ||Atlas||.
steep crown
Kinda like how hovering over the Golem Altar shows the power cell
violet dagger
ye or like powercells it shows a picture of the heart
steep crown
Not sure
polar grove
||or you could just make it say "Astral Beacon" so that you know thats what it actually is||
which would probably be a lot simpler way to go about this all
hollow shell
||I don't think it's too unclear what the "astral beacon" is. It's a big-ass twisty tree with a fancy looking furniture tile on top of it||
polar grove
ive seen a lot of people in the spoiler channel that are very confused about what it is
sand umbra
reminder that the fact that Atlases never fucking spawn when you want to find one is why their spawn rate was, iirc, tripled post-LC for a while
junior tendon
it already does that
polar grove
oh it does? huh i havent played the update yet
i wonder why people are so confused about it then
hollow shell
Their spawnrates are still boosted post-LC pre-ML
steep crown
Isn't it Pre-Deus?
hollow shell
Yeah you're right, mb
real quick do we think Cipher's sugg is fine?
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/699359022364491868/739559322849378374
frail mantle
seems good ye
sand umbra
anywho yeah sugg seems good
hollow shell
Cool
dapper coral
sure
hollow shell
Was @burnt beacon 's sugg fine?
Add some more aggro-increasing effects on melee armours/helmets
There are not many armours with this function, and it helps out a bit in multiplayer when playing with a melee and a less tanky class like a mage. This is perhaps not necessary in pre-HM where classes are less distinct in stats but starting from hardmode it would be nice if melee armours and helmets increased aggro to have melee characters be able to fill out their tankier role a little easier.
polar grove
looks fine
sand umbra
ye, looks good
tawny garden
yea
hollow shell
aight
You can repost that whenever you want, Frazzle
aaand how was @hasty linden 's sugg?
Add a calming potion to the calamity starting bag
when starting a new world and trying to explore caves and such, you always are getting 1 shot by mobs like black slimes and skeletons. if a calming potion was added to starter bag then that first cave trip wont be as awful and painful.
gray nebula
tawny garden
uhh
gray nebula
you even recognized y ourself its a joke sugg
young torrent
yeah
sand umbra
calming potion sugg seems fine
young torrent
but i think it would be pretty cool in tbe game
sand umbra
Angler Voodoo Doll: absolute yes but as its own mod
young torrent
ok ill work on it😉
frail mantle
joke suggestions aren't allowed
young torrent
i have the stuff
sand umbra
what is it with people suggesting things that'd be better off as their own mods as of late
polar grove
it wouldnt be too hard to code this as your own mod if you really want it that badly
young torrent
it was serious but also kinda a joke
heady lichen
ah yes
young torrent
ok ill remove it
heady lichen
you don't know how to code
young torrent
yeah i do
heady lichen
so you suggest for other people to do it in a major mod
alright I take that back then
you do you
young torrent
i can do java python c# html c++ css javascripte
young torrent
😂
heady lichen
anyways gtg
young torrent
C yah
heady lichen
i be gaming
cobalt pewter
I wonder if suggesting Iron Heart to respawn players at full health, with the exchange of no nurse healing at all, is a valid sugg
hollow shell
Well that stops being an issue once Hardmode starts
cobalt pewter
Pardon?
robust lava
Hermit's box
frail mantle
Hermit's something something Box
polar grove
hermit's box of one hundred medicines makes you respawn at full health if you use it while its in your hotbar
whole sedge
yeah
polar grove
its dropped by wof
hollow shell
(permanently)
cobalt pewter
Oh yea
hollow shell
@mint steppe What exactly are you suggesting?
The Cell Phone gives you the exact time already
cobalt pewter
Though, how about a bit of reward for Iron Heart?
Defiled boosts rare (?) drops, Arma sextuples treasure bags on kill
hollow shell
Iron Heart is indeed a pure challenge atm
mint steppe
The time icon change base it day or night.
polar grove
is english not your first language?
if not, you should run your sugg by someone else for them to help you with the grammar of it
cobalt pewter
Yeah, I'm wondering what's a good reward for something in between those other two challenges
polar grove
what about making iron heart boost legendary drops instead?
ancient echo
moore treasurebags
cinder spade
oh yeah iron heart was reworked
what does it do now
ancient echo
we need more
cobalt pewter
Iron Heart is easier than Arma tho
ancient echo
stack them moore
polar grove
we dont need more treasure bags until more bosses are added
hollow shell
Can you make your sugg's reasoning a bit clearer, agergo?
Something like, even though Cell Phone gives the exact time, it'd still be nice to have the icon change so you can see at a glance (and for anybody who doesn't have the Terraria day/night cycle times memorized)
cobalt pewter
Maybe swap them around instead? Iron Heart triples treasure bags and Arma significantly boosts legendary item drops
polar grove
that sounds interesting
cobalt pewter
Lemme brew a sugg after doing some stuff
polar grove
which would still fit
polar grove
as long as you dont say the effects i think its fine, it was revealed that it was changed quite a while before the update came out
you should probably spoiler anyways
just to be safe
hasty linden
what has changed so much about it?
cobalt pewter
Alrighty, I wonder if suggesting exactly what I said earlier counts as too specific
hasty linden
does its till permakill you?
polar grove
check the wiki page, it was updated to show its effects
cobalt pewter
[[Iron Heart]]
red stormBOT
cobalt pewter
Now that I think about it
Raising legendary drop rate on arma can be totally cheesed for almost everything but Yharim's Crystal
Since all legs aside from that drop on bags
hollow shell
Make them not drop from bags.
cobalt pewter
Well, that would be too much of a work just to give Iron Heart a reward, no? Though I'm not against it
hollow shell
Funny where you drew the line on "too much work"
Moving them out of the bags and into the boss would be CTRL-X CTRL-V
cobalt pewter
Though, would these be counted as specific as a sugg?
"Iron Heart triples treasure bags and Arma significantly boosts legendary item drops"
hollow shell
Good
hasty linden
to just buy bags
hollow shell
This is not a problem
polar grove
alchnpc should never be used as a basis for balance changes in calamity
cobalt pewter
Yes
polar grove
same with every other mod but alchnpc specifically is worse
hollow shell
?
hasty linden
y that made no sense
cobalt pewter
I'll write my sugg in here first so that it doesn't look weird when it's up in posting
hollow shell
ok
polar grove
just give it a mechanic that detects if the boss was butchered and never drop the rare/legendary
polar grove
indeed
hollow shell
I do think the way you framed that seemed specific, Feedza
Not sure how to convert it into something more general
polar grove
"give iron heart the treasure bag boost effect from arma, and arma instead increases legendary item droprates" would probably be better
hollow shell
Prolly, maybe.
cobalt pewter
Hmm, I kinda intended the bags from IH to be 3, but I guess by that point it could be specific
hollow shell
It would be, yes
cobalt pewter
||Give Iron Heart treasure bag boost reward from Armageddon, and give Armageddon a legendary droprate boost as a reward in exchange.||
||Currently, Iron Heart serves purely as a challenge, with no tangible rewards in store. This change would simply make Iron Heart at least worth to be looked upon, now that it's reworked and is an actually interesting challenge.
Armageddon having a legendary droprate boost as a reward would fit Armageddon as the true challenge: No-hitting bosses. This change needs to come with a change in how Legendary items drop: Make them all drop from the boss themselves instead of their bags to avoid players cheesing the legendary drop boost with Treasure Bags.||
polar grove
||give Armageddon a legendary** etc||
hollow shell
You should give reason as to why ||Arma should boost Legendaries||
cobalt pewter
Alright, I can brew that in a sec, lemme just go do smth
hollow shell
ok
tawny garden
Yharim's Crystal ain't a Legendary
hollow shell
It sure isn't.
burnt beacon
You can repost that whenever you want, Frazzle
so i need to repost my sugg in #suggestions-posting ?
hollow shell
Yeah
burnt beacon
aight
hollow shell
It accidentally got yeeted
burnt beacon
lol
cobalt pewter
I'll remove the crystal bit then
hollow shell
Not Rev+
tawny garden
also, I think this is worth posting already, Feedza
polar grove
huh
tawny garden
there's no point posting it here, #suggestions-posting exists exactly for that
polar grove
he was posting it here to make sure it didnt have typos before sending it iirc
also feedza you should make a private discord to write up suggs
it helps a lot
cobalt pewter
There we go, edited it
tawny garden
There we go, edited it
yeah, but nobody sees it
if you post it, then everybody will
hollow shell
||"would fit Armageddon as the true challenge"||
okay but why though
hollow shell
aight
Just want it elaborated why ||Legendary drops would fit the Arma challenge better||
polar grove
nohitting is the final test of mastery on bosses, having legendaries drop from completely mastering bosses (eg, nohitting) would be an actually good reward imo
burnt beacon
i agree
hollow shell
That's a bit better yeah
polar grove
cobalt pewter
Okay adjusted the reason for arma
unkempt bolt
you know a sugg is good when you agree with it without suffering from the issue yourself
cobalt pewter
Hopefully it's good enough for rover now
cobalt pewter
tawny garden
good enough for rover now
@hollow shell you've created a bureaucracy
hollow shell
I don't know if that's what that means
burnt beacon
close enough
cobalt pewter
Oh also, is Iron Heart still tied to the world?
tawny garden
this
cobalt pewter
I assume they kept it in the wiki because there's no solid info on that yet
hollow shell
Anyway I just had the realization that Defiled Rune could probably have the Treasure Bag boosts and Iron Heart could be the boosted drop rates of rare common enemy drops
due to the challenges they both present
Iron Heart's ||disabling of healing|| makes farming enemies in the wild for a prolonged period of time much harder, whereas Defiled's occasional crits and wing time disabling have little effect on enemy farming
tawny garden
I assume they kept it in the wiki because there's no solid info on that yet
no, cause I don't have access to source and couldn't be bothered to check via normal means
cobalt pewter
That's.... actually a good idea, yes, since Iron Heart will affect all damage sources, no? And defiled only really matters in bosses
hollow shell
Mhm
tawny garden
It's world-tied.
good,I don't have to edit yet
hollow shell
You could include a preface for it with "Change the rewards of the extra difficulty modes:" or something along those lines
cobalt pewter
Yep, since I'll be including defiled now
hollow shell
or "Restructure"/"Shift" or w/e
cobalt pewter
Alrighty, reworked my sugg to include defiled
hollow shell
Coolio
You could elaborate on why Iron Heart and Defiled work specifically for enemy farming and for boss fights respectively, like I mentioned earlier
cobalt pewter
Oh yeah
hollow shell
Iron Heart makes it harder to be alive for long periods of time (such as when farming), because your health gets chipped away at with no easy way to recover
And Defiled's mobility-fucking especially applies during boss fights, but isn't much of an issue when farming
cobalt pewter
It might be not as well made as yours, but it's something
cobalt pewter
Yeah, rover had the brilliant idea to make it have defiled reward instead
Which my feeble mind didn't think of
hollow shell
Alright this sugg seems fine now
(still see a few edits I can do but I won't be a stickler)
gloomy musk
u gonna figure a workaround for prehm?
hollow shell
Ehh hm
Shouldn't propose anything specific. He could just say "Defiled's effects may need to be adjusted a bit so it's more detrimental against Pre-HM bosses"
hollow shell
Not for us to decide rn ¯_(ツ)_/¯
cobalt pewter
Whoops, discord was drunk
hollow shell
👍
cobalt pewter
I somehow reposted the sugg
hollow shell
Very nice now Feedza
cobalt pewter
e p i c gamer time
tawny garden
@cobalt pewter your four-line "title" would be split mid-way because you have a newline character in the middle of it
tawny garden
||- Defiled Rune: Now multiplies Treasure Bags dropped from bosses.
- Iron Heart: Now boosts rare item drop chances and enemies drop 50% more cash.
- Armageddon: Now significantly boosts Legendary item drop chances.||
would be on a separate line
hollow shell
That might be okay?
tawny garden
and it'll be in the reasoning
hollow shell
The top line is still a summary of his sugg
tawny garden
and the || markup would be fucked
hollow shell
aight well that is true
tawny garden
cause the parser treats them as two separate strings
cobalt pewter
Alrighty, I'll add the effects in the first line of contents
hollow shell
btw I feel like only the Iron Heart line and reasoning need to be spoiled out, everything else can be open
cobalt pewter
Ah okay
hollow shell
👍 👍
bronze tartan
Has there been any talk about making the music boxes activatable via mechanisms?
hollow shell
Yes
Our programmers have attempted to get it working multiple times and couldn't do it
bronze tartan
That sucks
bronze tartan
Somehow the creators of Thorium did it because their music boxes can be activated automatically
hollow shell
m.
Maybe we gotta ask em
young torrent
thoughts on what i just posted, does it already exist or whats the deal
dapper coral
luiafk has an item like this
night trellis
Yeah luiafk has this exact item
young torrent
hmm
polar grove
yeah the money collector is quite dank, but the problem with it is that it doesnt allow npcs that require money to move in to move in at all
like the bandit
night trellis
I feel the devs would not add it to calamity because they have also not added other items that exist in seperate mods
violet dagger
luiafk has an item like this
young torrent
it doesn’t need it but it would be convenient
probably wont get accepted but just wanted some thoughts
night trellis
So, just to be clear, this item would only transfer picked up coins to the piggy bank and not just all coins, similar to the void vault?
night trellis
I suppose that would be handy for the NPC thing you mentioned, but I don't know if it's entirely necessary seeing as LuiAFK already has an item very similar to it. If you need an NPC to move in, just take the money collector out of your inventory.
sand umbra
doesn't this count as an SI sugg
tawny garden
no
dapper coral
the description is, the sugg isn't
sand umbra
ah
apologies. it seems...a little on the specific side, that's all
you could likely just remove the tidbit about it being a WoF drop and it'd be fine from there
unkempt bolt
im confused as to why that's an important clarification
seems like it would have little impact otherwise
dapper coral
i think it's supposed to be for the purposes of summoning npcs such as the merchant and bandit who depend on having money in the inventory
verbal osprey
uhhhhhhh is this where i ask for a nerf?
frail mantle
for a weapon?
verbal osprey
yes?
polar grove
it depends on what you want to nerf, and how you want the devs to go about doing it
faint needle
And also what difficulty you were on when dps testing
frail mantle
aye, just remember to include some on-tier boss kill times in Rev to gauge how strong it is
polar grove
^
verbal osprey
i found out that the craftable Eow staff is wayyy too broken in the sense that in killed skeletron in like 40 seconds
verbal osprey
yup
wooden wedge
fun fact: eoc means eye of cthulhu in most contexts in terraria
faint needle
Ik I may be wrong but isn't 40 s around dps guidelines?
polar grove
were you on normal, expert, or rev+?
verbal osprey
rev
frail mantle
dps guidelines for nohits aren't accurate to how long the boss should last normally
faint needle
Huh
frail mantle
they just mean how long a boss should last at least with max damage output gear
young torrent
fixed
polar grove
was the vile feeder buffed in the update? i dont remember it being able to kill skeletron that fast
verbal osprey
pretty sure a staff you get literally 3 bosses earlier shouldnt be this good
frail mantle
the average boss kill time for sans 1 in Rev is 2:30
faint needle
Damn
verbal osprey
jesus chirstmas christ
frail mantle
so yea, 40 sec is pretty meme tier fast
verbal osprey
i dont think so
polar grove
are you timing it with a stopwatch or just going off of guesses?
wooden wedge
I remember hearing someone say that they killer her with it
polar grove
thats actually pretty broken
wooden wedge
@radiant meadow is vile feeder already getting nerfed/fixed next update?
polar grove
im pretty sure thats like the same killtime herrings gets on skeletron
verbal osprey
no kidding for a staff you get on Eow
faint needle
Sounds like the next relic or ruin
radiant meadow
vile feeder is fixed next update
verbal osprey
that woud be nice
polar grove
guess its on-tier for her too
verbal osprey
which means she was doing stupid fast charges
y know cuz i couldnt find a beehive
anyway hope that gets fixed
buh bye
frail mantle
it is fixed next update, yes
earnest vine
like.. a lot
polar grove
or any at all for that matter
earnest vine
luiafk sort of adds that
frail mantle
also Luiafk already gives you endless bullets if you have four stacks of them
golden narwhal
That would kinda nulify ranger's niche
earnest vine
yeah but fargos doesnt have for cal bullets afaik
west nymph
Guys, what do you think about an endless musket puch or quiver for each type of bullet/arrow
earnest vine
read the conversation above
golden narwhal
The reason there's endless for musket balls and arrows is because they're the most basic ammos with no effects
The rest you're supposed to try and conserve (ranger's niche)
golden narwhal
Ye, other mods exist if you want
tawny garden
lol what is this sugg
golden narwhal
Yes
violet dagger
ngl there should be a dont for suggesting things that other mods already have such as infinite ammo
polar grove
that would severely limit suggestions as a whole
violet dagger
maybe a dont against infinite ammo
polar grove
thats more reasonable
unkempt bolt
i could see a don't for things that other mods have when it's that mod's entire purpose
like adding veinmining to calamity, just as an example
tawny garden
Slab of Meat's sugg could be yeeted any minute hour now, be wary
polar grove
ill save it
tawny garden
@vivid kestrel you gotta have a more substantial reason than "it'd be cool"
vivid kestrel
I edited it.
ashen warren
Oo I like that sugg, Cjac
tawny garden
it's now better
arctic notch
Idea: Make the Murasama usable after Yharon P1 instead of P2.
Why? Well, as of right now, there's not much to use it on, other than Supreme Calamitas, which it's really hard to use on.
crude geode
Didn’t SCal true melee get changed in the most recent update?
arctic notch
Idk.
But that doesn't change really anything about this sugg, considering she's almost always out of Murasama's range.
polar grove
she has lower acceleration if you are holding a true melee weapon
crude geode
^
arctic notch
Oh.
arctic notch
Still would give it more use than 1 boss.
It's not like it's crafted with Auric Bars.
crude geode
I don’t really see the logic behind that reasoning? Like, you only have boss rush to use shadow spec weapons on.
arctic notch
Hell, it used to be a Rev DoG drop.
crude geode
Doesn’t make them bad.
tawny garden
also it's really like that at the endgame
arctic notch
Still. I'm pretty sure there's better things to use than Murasama for True Melee.
unkempt bolt
this logic could be applied to literally every auric weapon
crude geode
^
unkempt bolt
i don't think there are better true melee option for scal actually
arctic notch
Except they don't really have shit range.
unkempt bolt
lionheart gives that DR but you don't really use it as a weapon
not against scal at least
tawny garden
you use a weapon for one (1) bossfight and throw it into garbage
and not just auric, all pre-yharon p1 or p2
unkempt bolt
okay but your logic is that it can only be used for one boss
which is applied to all auric weapons
if your argument is that it's too weak, and that's why it should be available earlier, state that more clearly
arctic notch
It's too hard to hit with.
And it's not commonly suggested for True Melee. Iirc people suggest other weapons.
unkempt bolt
i've never heard anyone suggest anything but murasama and lionheart for true melee scal
not that anyone seriously attempts true melee scal
tawny garden
CrabBar did
unkempt bolt
im pretty sure he used a cheese strat
tawny garden
and succeeded
unkempt bolt
ein's the only one i know of who did an actual true melee scal
arctic notch
Imagine Celestial Starboard for True Melee SCal.
unkempt bolt
but it's not a viable strategy by any means, and isn't what 99% of people are gonna do
thus shouldn't be factored into a suggestion
tawny garden
woow, that was 2 years ago
crude geode
It's too hard to hit with.
mfw melee is not used to being in melee range of enemies
tawny garden
unkempt bolt
ah i wasn't aware he did it legit after
arctic notch
Most bosses shoot projectiles directly from the front, which always faces you. So Melee is much less viable than ranged classes.
At least True Melee.
unkempt bolt
ah he didn't do it legit after
makes sense
if you wanna make a suggestion about making murasama more usable against scal, then do that
arctic notch
Maybe a consistent Range?
crude geode
I would personally try it against SCal in the latest update, so that you have actual proof that it’s still bad.
unkempt bolt
im not sure the actual hitbox changes
arctic notch
Time to check.
It doesn't. But it's confusing as fuck with that visual.
That "True Melee slows SCal" is bullshit. She ain't slowing at all.
crude geode
indigo fog
they definitely accelerate slower, i tested it myself
arctic notch
I'm literally trying it now. She certainly isn't slower.
crude geode
The obvious question would be if your mod is up to date.
indigo fog
she accelerates so much slower you can literally make her go from one side to the other side during p1 rapidfire
arctic notch
Still doesn't disprove what I'm experiening.
I'm using Murasama. She's too far out of reach even with Brimrose.
sand umbra
what is your Murasama doing, if I may ask
arctic notch
Swinging. SCal is too fast to get close.
sand umbra
ok 
arctic notch
What?
sand umbra
what I mean is do its slashes look like Arkhalis But Red And Larger
arctic notch
The mod is definitely up to date. I'm definitely using Murasama.
She's not enraged.
indigo fog
why does it show the older gif for me
arctic notch
Does it actually?
indigo fog
polar grove
it shows the older gif if you click on it
arctic notch
Bruh.
polar grove
for me at least
crude geode
Shows up to date for me.
arctic notch
But yeah. It's up to date and she's too fast.
unkempt bolt
she definitely accelerates slower with a true melee weapon out
arctic notch
Not when I tried.
unkempt bolt
you can suggest that if you can think of valid reasoning
arctic notch
Make Supreme Calamitas Move Slower when a True Melee Weapon is out.
Why? Well, currently she moves so fast so that she's always out of range for True Melee to hit consistently, and it would help more than just lowering her acceleration.
unkempt bolt
might wanna go a bit more in depth on why making her move slower vs accelerating slower would make her easier to hit
dapper coral
isn't this already a thing? or is it for some other boss
unkempt bolt
true melee only makes certain bosses accelerate slower
it doesn't actually lower their speed
the ones that come to mind are twins and both calamitas'
arctic notch
Changed the wording.
unkempt bolt
idk suggestion seems valid
just make sure you separate the title and the reasoning in the actual suggestion, and get rid of Idea:
might also help to clarify in the title that it's moving slower instead of accelerating slower, because they're very similar terms that could just seem like you don't know what you're talking about
arctic notch
It clarifies moving slower.
unkempt bolt
in the reasoning yeah
a potential issue i could see is that it could be abused pretty easily, a summoner could just hold a true melee weapon for a slower boss while still dealing damage
arctic notch
unkempt bolt
yeah i see that
but im saying make it "move slower instead of just accelerating slower"
because it's something that's easy to get confused about
arctic notch
Changed the wording more.
unkempt bolt
should be fine
arctic notch
Ok.
unkempt bolt
part of the reason she and others accelerate slower vs moving slower is that a true melee weapon could be used to just slow a boss on demand
cobalt pewter
Also new Yharon makes it 
to go true melee
He often locks his distance with you
Which makes approaching him pretty hard
unkempt bolt
so if you're in a tight spot and need a breather, you could just hold a true melee weapon for an easier time
not to mention true melee weapons don't actually exist anymore
true melee is now just a subtype of melee damage that most melee weapons can deal
crude geode
Yeah
unkempt bolt
so the concept of "true melee weapons" is more or less abandoned
crude geode
^
arctic notch
Good.
cobalt pewter
Well now melee weapons have a separate true melee listed damage if they'd count as one
And they really made things support true melee
So I don't think it's really abandoned
Though it's definitely not viable late game
unkempt bolt
i've made suggestions concerning true melee exclusive weapons before, i've been assured they are no longer unique or considered
they're just melee weapons unable to deal ranged damage
most melee weapons can deal melee damage and true melee damage, "true melee weapons" can just only deal true melee damage
it's a bit confusing byeah
cobalt pewter
Yeah, that's actually what true melee should be imo
unkempt bolt
but yeah potential balance issues could definitely arise from this sugg
cus like i said, nothing to stop you from abusing it for a slower scal while you wait for potion sickness or something
arctic notch
Eh.
cobalt pewter
I feel like that'd be better as an accessory that also nerfs your damage output aside from true melee dmg
arctic notch
SIS.
vivid kestrel
So what do you all think of the idea of having an upgrade to the Elemental Blaster?
viscid laurel
is there a way to easily unsummon minions?
summoning micromanagement is hell if not
vivid kestrel
Yeah right click the buff and it will go away
dapper coral
in which case no
viscid laurel
i know, but that is tiny and in the middle of the worst place possible
its also always next to potions due to being a fresh buff
a single misclick could screw you over
old one's army post BoC, aka earliest possible, is a nightmare without an unsummon bind
the only summon that can effectively deal with the horde is the hermit crab, which cant fly or go through platforms. Its near useless against the etherian wyverns as well, so micromanaging is necessary to get them in the air
so many summons are way more viable if they can hit aerial targets
the damn squirrel is better than a lot of later summons
polar grove
i already posted a sugg for this that got 280 stars just so you know
dapper coral
can you link it?
balmy jay
I feel like bloody worm scarf should only need normal anvil or tinkerer workshop to craft
Since both ingredients are pre-HM
dapper coral
this is different, Bluenebula
yours is asking to resummon summons upon death
this one is asking to dismiss them easily during a fight
dapper coral
no worries
polar grove
i could have sworn i posted my other one
hollow shell
It's a hardmode accessory for balancing reasons and so that Bloody Worm Tooth isn't an instant upgrade
balmy jay
That's fair
hollow shell
(also, Amalgamated Brain)
balmy jay
Is it okay to edit suggestions after you post them?
hollow shell
Yes
(not recommended to overhaul em if they've existed for a while, but if it's shortly after you post then yeah that's fine)
balmy jay
Well, since I did just post it before rewriting it
hollow shell
yeye
Sugg looks good now
Do we think Feedza's modifier sugg is valid
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/699359022364491868/739703707155038309
hollow shell
Cool
How about Feedza's ||Caustic Staff|| suggestion
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/699359022364491868/739712714498375691
violet dagger
yes yes yes
I saw that in spoilers
||bruh that thing is broken||
not sure if that needs spoilers or not
ancient crow
speaking of debuff weapons
hollow shell
I don't think permission is necessarily necessary cuz it's balance-based?
Eh I will anyway
@languid wyvern Are you okay with the suggestion mentioned above?
ancient crow
if i'm using a non-magic class, is it better to upgrade to ultra liquidator or stick with everglade spray due to the longer ichor effect
polar grove
wrong channel
languid wyvern
i mean all of the things he said were kinda the point
like you could make it later in progression and harder to get but i like the option of having an end all be all solution for summoners to have with debuffs
@hollow shell
hollow shell
Yeah but like the problem is it's just 1 summon slot
Anybody can use it
balmy jay
4 slots like kindle staff?
languid wyvern
aight fat suggestion time: make each slot taken by the staff give a new debuff
hollow shell
That would be kinda neat
violet dagger
ye that could work
balmy jay
||buff tooltip even says a mini jungle dragon||
cobalt pewter
That's actually interesting yes
balmy jay
Oh, make it work like endogenesis?
polar grove
for like the sirius or saros?
hollow shell
I was thinking it could work if it inflicted its own unique debuff that did defense & DR deduction and a bit of DoT
So that way you still have a reason to use the debuff-inflicting weapons, cuz now they'd stack
polar grove
because if thats just for normal summons there are major issues with that
languid wyvern
so like list goes on fire, cursed inferno, venom, ichor, and marked
polar grove
i can see it very, very easily running into the buff limit
hollow shell
Obviously it wouldn't take up a buff slot for each one Blue
languid wyvern
more summon slots u put in the better the debuff
hollow shell
(unless you mean the enemy's buff slots)
polar grove
oh
and no i was talking about the player buff slots
did he mean like inflicting debuffs?
hollow shell
y
yeah
polar grove
well thats a lot less distressing
languid wyvern
aight actually here's my final stance: first slot taken:on fire, poison. second slot: venom, cursed inferno. third slot: ichor: marked for death.
i don't want it to eat up too many slots
polar grove
imagine summoners having to deal with not being able to use buffs or light pets or mounts
hollow shell
Slight issue
languid wyvern
or just make the process of getting it HARDER* lmao
languid wyvern
damn bro i didn't know that
hollow shell
or 4
unkempt bolt
i think its 5
hollow shell
(All Exo weapons max it out instantly and this is an issue that has yet to be corrected)
languid wyvern
kinda throws a monkey wrench in the plan
hollow shell
s'why I was thinking one single custom debuff could work
cobalt pewter
I guess making it a brand new, unique debuff that combines all of them would be nice, and make the minion apply it with 3 slots used
Like what rover said
languid wyvern
yeah
wait even better idea right here
single custom debuff that encompasses all of the ones it use to have but it gets better the more minion slots you put in
hollow shell
Sounds neato
hollow shell
(You could prolly just DM a dev to get it changed if you want, considering it's your item, lol)
Sugg process would be more official tho
languid wyvern
kekw well i thought devs were gonna change it regardless because of balance issues
but i did wait like a year and paid like 25 bucks so i think i understand why they wouldn't
cobalt pewter
Well some people noticed it in #calamity-update-talk, and I was the one posting the sugg, but yeah, I've done this twice already
languid wyvern
yeah the price for making it is waaay too low imo
i wanted it to be some pre mech boss nights edge level material gathering but they kinda made it cheap asf for the utility
cobalt pewter
Yeah, I guess the progression was out of your scope for the design?
hollow shell
m
Expensive recipe isn't the best way to balance a weapon, cuz it just means that the player gets it anyway but they spend more time doing it
languid wyvern
idk i guess i didn't make enough of a point of it being hard to obtain
i disagree you wouldn't say the nights edge is unbalanced
things that are worthwhile in terraria are paid for in time and effort
cobalt pewter
I guess making the array of buffs a single one that gets stronger with the amount of slots used would be a win-win for everyone
hollow shell
(I haven't seriously used Night's Edge against a boss in a long long time)
languid wyvern
yeah but it's still the best prehardmode sword
cobalt pewter
(I haven't seriously used a vanilla sword against a boss in a loooooong time)
cobalt pewter
So, uh, I guess imma yeet my sugg or something?
languid wyvern
im thinking making it harder to get and making ichor locked behind a second slot and MARKED FOR DEATH *locked behind a third slot with the first slot having venom and cursed inferno
so only 4 buff slots total or 3 if i decide to take away cursed inferno
i had no clue there was an enemy buff slot limit lmao
cobalt pewter
Ichor locked behind second and third slots? 
languid wyvern
whachumean
languid wyvern
unghh but rover's idea seems so streamlined
just one buff slot but they get better as you add minions
cobalt pewter
Yeah I wouldn't mind that either
languid wyvern
y'know what i'll do that but make it just about the same effect as the other idea
like level one would be smol damage over time smol dr reduction and smol defense reduction and then once you get to slot 3 it'll be as potent as normal ichor and marked for death as well as cursed inferno and venom on your enemy at the same time and then the cap is level 4 where it becomes a better version of those buffs so high dot high dr reduction and high defense reduction
final idea
languid wyvern
tf is the sugg
hollow shell
'suggestion', this one https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/699359022364491868/739712714498375691
cobalt pewter
Fabsol is just online
languid wyvern
i can't dm him kekw
cobalt pewter
Or you can ask Brav
hollow shell
cobalt pewter
Oh there's contacts for them already
hollow shell
@sand umbra I feel like your sugg's top line could be flipped around, considering buffing/reworking the accessory is your first priority and moving it to Plant is kind of an afterthought
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hollow shell
cool
Do we think Thomas's sugg is good for approval?
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/699359022364491868/739733895741964318
polar grove
its valid
cobalt pewter
It is indeed
violet dagger
but im assuming its smth like destroyer emode telegraph
sand umbra
what
violet dagger
it has a circle made of dust showing where its going to circle
sand umbra
well yes but that circle only really shows up once it starts the attack
so like I don't see the benefit of that on a charge attack 
violet dagger
what is the telegraph for charge anyways
sand umbra
like, cool, you know where it's gonna charge
you've already spent most of your time acknowledging where it will charge
anywho I need to pick a new sugg from my list
I shall return
violet dagger
cool
hollow shell
¯_(ツ)_/¯
How's Bat Mox's suggestion?
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/699359022364491868/739899059409649764
violet dagger
I like it
hollow shell
Cool
(I'll get a bit of a jump on some of these)
How's TheForsakenOne's?
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/699359022364491868/739911086874296350
cobalt pewter
It's valid ig
hollow shell
?
cobalt pewter
This isn't the place for that, unless you want to suggest smth regarding a ravager nerf
worn current
I've been contemplating suggesting a change to what the Abyss Shrine has, assuming that hasn't been changed/isn't know to be changing anytime soon. Thoughts?
hollow shell
There are no plans to change the Abyss shrine afaik
radiant meadow
Where would Terminus go?
worn current
For the reasoning: Yharon Phase 2 always drops a Terminus on death, afaik.
worn current
Oh, it was? Ah.
worn current
Well, that solves my issue with the Abyss Shrine then. Felt useless.
cobalt pewter
It's cool
hollow shell
(Yep, the drop code is simply commented out)
worn current
I'm still like just barely post-Eye in my Arma run, sorry.
radiant meadow
Coupled with a fix to small worlds sometimes generating without a shrine
worn current
I made a Medium world for a run that I beat the day of the update dropping that had no Desert, Mushroom, or Granite shrines.
hollow shell
Twas a good change, glad Terminus finally has that full Abyss focus
worn current
Aye! I love the atmosphere of the place, especially the depths. I'm happy it matters to go down there, now. (Also happy I won't have to keep trashing like 20 Terminuses from 20 Yharon kills.)
hollow shell
Indeed
wooden wedge
@subtle slate you need a reason for your sugg and proper formatting
hollow shell
yeah your need your main idea at the top on a separate line (shift+enter) and have the rest of your sugg be elaboration and (especially) reasoning
@deep hornet No meme suggestions
subtle slate
Ah okay I'll delete that then for now
deep hornet
Gotcha
subtle slate
how detailed does it need to be? my idea could fill up an entire screen if I wanted it to.
ashen warren
i have an idea than i want to suggest, but after read the rules...i will just say: F O O D S...
hollow shell
Preferably keep it concise Draco, but having a lot of reasoning is usually a good thing
ashen warren
welp most of my idea is in the other-mod-talk if someone wants to see it...i've think it would be great but it will be harder to put in the mod...
hollow shell
m your suggestion is way too specific to post (as is, at least)
so, thanks for doin so in another channel
ashen warren
ok..i've think i will keep the idea for a while until it doesnt look like a spaggetti...
(Fun Fact: Fabsol sees my idea as a Copypasta wall because i post all my idea in the general talk quikly because he was there and i want to he see my idea)
hollow shell
@river needle You need a reason for your suggestion (in the same message)
Just gonna tell you up front that it's most likely not gonna happen
river needle
ik, i tried to make another paragraph but it just sent the message instead
ashen warren
i´ve think i would be banned xd
hollow shell
Shift+Enter
river needle
ok thanks
hollow shell
np
cobalt pewter
Also there's no point in adding an acc slot post scal until there's more bosses
ashen warren
welp thanks
cobalt pewter
Even then it's unlikely that there will be another slot boost by then
dapper coral
a) it's 7 accessories assuming expert+
b) accessory sots are funky af and they don't go above 7
cobalt pewter
Well wing slot managed to add one for wings only
whole sedge
I don't really see another point of a post-scal accessory slot as at that point in the game you've already condensed all of your accessories so much assuming that you've Expert+ which is recommended and is how the mod is balanced 
cobalt pewter
And cheat sheet allows you to add up to 6 more
hollow shell
@river needle In Expert+ you have 7 slots after killing Moon Lord
dapper coral
just because you can add slots doesn't mean that they work as good as the others
terraria really doesn't like accessory slots more than 7
cobalt pewter
True
If anything, more accs might be condensed even more post scal when new bosses are added
river needle
why does terraria not like slots more than 7?
whole sedge
My guess is HUD scaling with non-1080p resolutions and just overall spaghetti code
river needle
nah i actually dont know, does it cause errors in the code or cause bugs or what?
oh
whole sedge
I wouldn't know I haven't messed with adding more accessory slots with tmodloader 
hollow shell
If we were Re-Logic and working with vanilla code, we could probably add an 8th slot
cobalt pewter
Yeah HUD scaling could be fricked
hollow shell
But we aren't.
The 7th slot that Celestial Onion grants you was already built into Terraria
cobalt pewter
I already have troubles looking at the 7th slot on my screen
hollow shell
We just activated it and that was that
If we wanna make an 8th, we'd need to program a whole new slot ourselves using tMod code
whole sedge
Yeah that seems like a massive pain to do especially if you wanted to add Vanity slots and dyes to that also
pale glacier
I mean they could take the route cheat sheet takes and add the accessory slot to the left of the dye slots, without a vanity/dye slot of their own