Plus who use alch npc full anyway 
#suggestions-discussion
weak field
burnt beacon
i like the tp potions
hexed spade
yeah just don't use the exlusive potions besides the teleportation ones
violet dagger
boss crossover with uganadan knuckles boss 
blazing dawn
weak field
The knuckle thingy is just a missile launcher boss
It's a big circle that spam lasers
faint needle
I bet that breaks more than 5 rules ngl
polar grove
SIS, boss suggestion, weird formatting, crossover with alchnpc of all mods
this sugg is very borked
faint needle
Not even lite
tawny garden
it also gives me a heart attack
faint needle
Full alchnpc
sand umbra
weak field
Just looking at it makes me feel unease
sand umbra
oh yeah Death-exclusive functional drop for no good reason
faint needle
For a reason
sand umbra
hahayes
burnt beacon
would that death drop just be unlitmited stealth
weak field
If that thing actually got added into the mod I'll abandon this mod just for that thing
tawny garden
@hollow shell I also need help
delet
polar grove
actually wait thats like 3 SISs
faint needle
He should just sugg that on the alchnpc
polar grove
hollow shell
Wow
polar grove
indeed
burnt beacon
i see where hes coming from but sounds unnecessary
hollow shell
@blazing dawn uhh no sorry
faint needle
Is that a don't?
dapper coral
mega don't
faint needle
Oh nvm
polar grove
i mean having a calming potion in the starting bag i guess would be fine but there isnt really a reason for it
polar grove
you can mostly just dodge mobs instead of using a potion to stop them
especially in the early game
hasty linden
ehh i guess
faint needle
Early game you either find mobility fast af or spend the next 5 hours trying to find them
hasty linden
still i giant pain to me tho alot of times
yep im 1 hour into new file and i dont have any mobility. i feel that
burnt beacon
i would like but its not entirely necessary not too bad an idea i think
polar grove
i wish i saved that sugg that skyline did so i could show it to everyone else
formal cobalt
||I remember when the update dropped, I died like 8 times to wulfrum enemies trying to get cactus||
polar grove
imagine being able to even start 1.4.5 smh
ashen warren
lol just place a block on their way
formal cobalt
||That didn't help||
hollow shell
(I got Candy Hook from a Present immediately #blest)
weak field
That's why I always cheat sheet a bat hook when I start the game 
violet dagger
||rover got the good enemy, the roomba who gets stuck on 1 block, the rest of us get attacked by a drone that cannot stand still||
sand umbra
I also wish I got a screenshot of that boss sugg for archival purposes
but meh, can't win 'em all I guess
tawny garden
do you screenshot all bad suggs?
tawny garden
sand umbra
cobalt pewter
Though I am pretty curious of what that shit was
To violate over 5 rules in a single message is something admirable
polar grove
actually it was closer to 7
burnt beacon
with a deathmode drop that grants infinite stealth cause why not
i mean i think thats what it was
cobalt pewter
I mean I can kinda speculate that, but man, I haven't lived if I haven't seen the original transcript
polar grove
it had: a boss suggestion, crossover content based on fucking alchnpc, it had no less than 4 SISs, and it also had extremely detailed information on all its stats, that along with atrocious formatting
cobalt pewter
Also infinite stealth?
tawny garden
it was also in a code block 
sand umbra
multiple SI suggs
boss sugg
wack-ass formatting reminscient of He Who Shall Not Be Named
Death Mode functional drop for no reason
crossmod content (with Alch of all things)
scaling
specific numbers
cobalt pewter
it had: a boss suggestion, crossover content based on fucking alchnpc, it had no less than 4 SISs, and it also had extremely detailed information on all its stats, that along with atrocious formatting
What in the living shit
polar grove
yes it would have functioned as effectively infinite stealth but way better
burnt beacon
thats impressive
sand umbra
yeah that's about 7 alright
burnt beacon
at early HM too
cobalt pewter
it was also in a code block
@tawny garden also shut, I love using code block for myself
tawny garden
He Who Shall Not Be Named
name him
cobalt pewter
But considering all things, code block might not be good for this one sugg
polar grove
bruh we gotta ask rover to repost it here so we can all copy it
sand umbra
no I need to just get it in my DMs, that's all I want
cobalt pewter
DMs only suffices for me
I need to frame that shit
And remind to myself
"don't ever make a suggestion like that"
polar grove
if you ever need motivation, just look at that and realize that you wont ever be able to make a sugg worse than that
without trying anyways
tawny garden
I can
violet dagger
here we go
burnt beacon
thisll be good
tawny garden
Expand the Calamity Mod
Reason: there's not enough content.
burnt beacon
ace
violet dagger
tawny garden
burnt beacon
remove calamity mod
reason - its tood hard
frail mantle
cool bug fact's: we get it, bad sugg, we don't need to keep on making fun of this one person just because they didn't read the rules and made a bad suggestion
sorry if i'm being aggressive it's just annoying to see when people pile onto a sugg like this
tawny garden
it's also kinda rude to that person
I'm rude
hollow shell
Do we think Philo's sugg is good n' valid?
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/699359022364491868/739199775957843997
sand umbra
yez
polar grove
yes
hollow shell
Indeed "file" prolly ain't the right word
I assume he's talkin about what shows up in the menus and such
ancient mirage
the mod browser name is calamity mod (no calamity music) and that could be confusing
tawny garden
aight
radiant meadow
and I know it's not referring to the mod browser name because that's in parenthesis
hollow shell
wherever it currently says "(No Calamity Music)"
radiant meadow
That's better
hollow shell
You could include an "instead of" with the current name
for anybody who doesn't know
radiant meadow
although, I would capitalize main and base
hollow shell
I killed it cuz it wasn't great and he wasn't comin back to fix a mistake
tawny garden
because of a typo? 
hollow shell
Nah, a factual mistake
tawny garden
ah
robust lava
What’s the spoiler policy in this chat Rover?
hollow shell
||
hollow shell
(I meant that as an indirect way of saying "spoil out your spoilers")
Same policy as any other channel (except #calamity-update-talk )
hollow shell
Does Demik's sugg look fine?
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/699359022364491868/739235522895151124
polar grove
its valid
tawny garden
yeah
radiant meadow
Spoiler Policy is spoiler everywhere except #calamity-update-talk, #bugs-read-pins, #wiki-basic, and maybe #wiki-lookup
tawny garden
I guess this channel would be 100% BLACK at times
robust lava
People have been posting non-spoiler suggestions though, so not all the time
faint needle
at times
robust lava
whoops
tawny garden
I guess nobody got the obscure reference
hollow shell
||I'm pretty sure the head of Empyrean armor is supposed to be like a strange eldritch humanoid head with one single orifice||
||and not in fact a hole to where your face where the wearer's face would be, like would be in a hood||
dense fiber
What would a sulpherous sea variant of Anahita and leviathan be like?
hollow shell
Is this a relevant question
tawny garden
that means it's irrelevant
dense fiber
since duke fishron has a sulpherous sea varient
hollow shell
If you can't suggest it (which you can't, because boss suggestions aren't allowed) then it prolly shouldn't be brought up here
dense fiber
Thats why i didnt suggest it :p
hollow shell
fair enough I guess
dense fiber
btw your acid rain music is great
radiant meadow
Please move to a different chat please if you have nothing to suggest.
dense fiber
Aight
hollow shell
(thanks tho)
dense fiber
Np
hollow shell
Does Crafty's sugg seem fine?
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/699359022364491868/739278965000110220
tawny garden
it's kinda smol
hollow shell
I've come to make an announcement
Shadow the Hedgehog is a-
tawny garden
THANK YOU
gray nebula
lets a fucking go
tawny garden
how about the cutoff point?
hollow shell
Let me go check the past bluecheck moves
Yeah, it's about that time
I'll move it when the star req changes
tawny garden
sand umbra
W O A
it hasn't even been that long since the last increase and already such a drastic raise again?
hollow shell
Yeah I'd say it's valid
v minor sugg
And yeah we really do be raisin
240 would bring us to a slightly lower delivery ratio than the initial 170
but if the voters are gonna keep comin in like this then that's fine
(it'd be good to have a sparser cool-off period after the big update anyhow, devs are dead)
tawny garden
rip
hearty yew
is it still illegal to just do things that people say, like the 2 most recent posts in #suggestions-posting because they're minor oversights?
hollow shell
(cynik's is arguable)
You can just do sand's though sure
(If we're gonna be raising the star req and have a sugg-drought goin to the dev server for a bit, I'm okay with minor easy fixes getting done without delivery)
hearty yew
changing description to ||Pulsing with an alien heartbeat||
hollow shell
Sounds good
hearty yew
@unreal viper you have been insta implemented
sand umbra
hearty yew
I'd appreciate it if people brought minor oversight stuff like this to my attention directly
tawny garden
in the bugs channel?
hearty yew
There's kinda this gray area of "it's not really a bug but it's such a tiny mistake it's still a fix, not a change"
yeah
you can report tooltip oversights in bugs
that's totally valid
it's a mistake
this was a mistake, for example
tawny garden
hearty yew
no
hollow shell
I guess Github was weird and showed me the wrong one
hearty yew
^
gray nebula
p sure sploopos sugg also got insta implemented
hexed spade
the dreadon turrets can also be blown up
i would assume that is going to get fixed to?
hearty yew
yeah
dapper coral
no boss suggs
tawny garden
@modern dagger boss suggs are a don't
hollow shell
@modern dagger You cannot suggest bosses
tawny garden
tawny garden
hollow shell
There's a Google Doc in the pins
dapper coral
that's why you read the document
hollow shell
It lists all the stuff you cannot suggest
modern dagger
Where?
tawny garden
dapper coral
tawny garden
ffs why is it so hard to read the pins for some people
gray nebula
that suggestions is logic maybe but is it really calamity's job to do that
hollow shell
@still cliff I always assumed that was done due to the crafting table being a greater utility than a normal table
gray nebula
dapper coral
logically it makes sense. but a) utility good, and b) it's like 2 more wood expensive.
still cliff
Or the size doesn't matter
hearty yew
this is the kind of logic that bothers me. If I made terraria i'd be consistent about that
but, unfortunately, they weren't
still cliff
Ok
hearty yew
However, they were consistent that it's always 10 of whatever building material it is.
So at least they got that right.
hexed spade
yeah i think the reason the work bench costs more is just based on utility of the work bench over a table
still cliff
I thought of that before i wrote my sugg, but looks like everyone else did too.
I also had an other sugg about antlions being faster on sand and sandstone etc(whatever has the word sand in it) and a bit slower on grass etc. But idk about it
hollow shell
That seems specific and kinda pointless
wispy heron
yeah probably idk it just bugged me a little.
still cliff
Ok what about making wulfrum drones and other flying wulfrum enemies accelerate horizontally a bit slower?
And yes i know that that suggestion is pointless
hollow shell
Yeah you could suggest that
They are a bit aggressive for early-game
(you could arguably ask for their current movement speed be moved to a higher difficulty mode)
hollow shell
||Rainbow?||
wooden wedge
the EoL spawneffect rover
wooden wedge
never really heard anyone complain
hollow shell
@steep crown Are you just talking about the ||3 second spawn animation?||
gray nebula
If we add that its a gateway for configs to revert certain resprites and thats no
hollow shell
Okay
steep crown
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDuLj8mIzK8
At about 1:57 He fights Provi and the wings are Rainbow. Thats what I was talking about
wooden wedge
reason to revert this is kinda????
steep crown
Ah, My mistake
gray nebula
||thatsz nighttime provi yep ||
steep crown
I thought that it was that way all the time
Couldn't tell because it was the underworld
hollow shell
How do we feel about Crafty's suggestion
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/699359022364491868/739278965000110220
Philo said it was a bit smol, if anybody has feedback on how to enlargen it that would be great to ping em with
(if you also think it needs largening)
untold cargo
It’s good cus there is really no point using them giving them some special affects would make them more useful
distant gyro
interesting
hollow shell
I dunno if it's really something Calamity would implement
ashen warren
a menu would work better
and with 1.4 removing the ability to have non visible accessories on vanity
i see it maybe essential
hollow shell
@steep crown "Your flesh is melting off"
hollow shell
Sure I'll fix it
steep crown
Man, I need to play the mod again. Its been so long that I'm having to rely on the wiki
hollow shell
Relying on the wiki now is a bad idea
Give it a few days before things become pretty reliably accurate
ashen warren
thank you
rover do you think that suggestion would work out?
or does it fit its own mod better
frail mantle
honestly it'd probably fit another mod better
frail mantle
aye
frail mantle
it'd probably fit better as one of Fargo's random mods he decides to create when he has some idea and goes "huh. that would be cool."
ashen warren
yeah i can see that
sand umbra
tbf you could make that argument for a lot of Calamity changes
special mention to: vanilla item recipes a.k.a. "there are already 500 mods that do this", Wing Time Hair Dye, bug fixes, removal of dashmounting, etc.
but that hasn't stopped progress before, now has it
weak field
That suggestion is uh, more like something fargo would do
tawny garden
uhh
is this cheet sheet but a bit weaker?
hollow shell
There's a difference in effort required between this and just added recipes, hair dyes, and fixing bugs
also wdym Philo?
tawny garden
or am I misunderstanding completely
polar grove
i think its basically you throw a bunch of accessories in something, and then save a loadout that you can hotswap to whenever you need
hollow shell
^
polar grove
that would be a pretty dank feature ngl, but i dont think it really fits calamity that well
ashen warren
yeah i hope fargo saw that
tawny garden
it kinda fits 1.4 vanilla
hollow shell
@hardy wing 
polar grove
vanilla getting rid of vanity slots being useful at all is just terrible
im hoping that calamity gets rid of that asap once it updates to 1.4
ashen warren
yeah lets keep it that way, but add a new awesome feature
im hoping that calamity gets rid of that asap once it updates to 1.4
same but wish all the changes in calamity are toggleable
ashen warren
who
polar grove
theres a reason why some of the vanilla changes were made, and no the 1.4 solution to a lot of the changes that clam has already made is an arguably far more heavy handed approach
polar grove
i prefer much of the calamity balance changes to 1.4 balancing
tawny garden
(that's Red's face btw)
tawny garden
it's supposed to be an emoji
ashen warren
what questionable decisionsdid red make?
ashen warren
i can see where you're coming from
polar grove
most of 1.4 is questionable design decisions
tawny garden
and co.
ashen warren
how so
tawny garden
have you played it?
ashen warren
yes
polar grove
theres too many things to list here specifically (the 2000 word count exists)
tawny garden
oh, Master Mode is also the most questionable
polar grove
er, character count i mean
ashen warren
rebalancing?
polar grove
much rebalancing
tawny garden
but this is offtopic
polar grove
indeed
hollow shell
caltalk or gentalk
hollow shell
lol
How we feel about Killer Kitten's Victide sugg
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/699359022364491868/739293766535479376
frail mantle
i agree
i think i suggested something similar way back but it never hit the delivery amount
weak field
Feels redundant
hollow shell
Redundant?
tawny garden
how much was the armor reworked?
hollow shell
Victide?
hollow shell
I don't think it was
hollow shell
Yeah Victide armor was untouched
robust lava
Is this SIS?
tawny garden
no
dense fiber
Cosmolite bars? or cosmolight item?
robust lava
Do you mean Cosmolight in your suggestion?
dense fiber
yes a mix of day and night
robust lava
You probably want to correct that then, cause Cosmilite would look pretty different
golden narwhal
Add reasoning (also, moonlight also gives daytime aura at day)
dense fiber
It does?
golden narwhal
Ye (why its legendary)
dense fiber
I sorta just sped through all the items because i was exited for the new update
golden narwhal
Understandable because yes
dense fiber
Yes
gray nebula
untold cargo
They are useful in next update
gray nebula
broh we would have added them if we didnt have a purpose for them in mind already
gray nebula
we know what they are gonna be used for already
neon oracle
yeah
gray nebula
we wouldnt have added an item just like "oh well we'll invent a use for it later"
gray nebula
and spoilers
untold cargo
Maybe a right click
hollow shell
and yes you should maybe spoilo that
hollow shell
||(also iirc people said it was great as a support weapon in addition to other weapons, due to the long-lasting projectiles?)||
ye thanks for reminding me
frail mantle
||also now it's more of a support weapon than an on-its-own weapon, you're meant to use it alongside other weapons||
hollow shell
aight well there it goes I guess
distant gyro
i wouldn't say scal is a fast moving boss for what she is
tawny garden
she isn't, yeah
distant gyro
since over half her attacks are hellblast or gigablast, her speed is relative to your speed
tawny garden
even her charges are kinda slow
distant gyro
and if you move fast during hellblast phase in the first place you're doing something wrong
hollow shell
Zesty Toad's Wulfrum Battery sugg look fine?
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/699359022364491868/739348787985645628
sturdy geyser
yes
tawny garden
||yes||
sand umbra
yeag
hollow shell
Epic
Awww you hate to see it
@ashen warren Your suggestion, it needs separate spoilers for the top and bottom sections
||rework wulfrum battery to make it a way to access energy cores without having to travel to the edges of the world
currently, all that wulfrum battery does is give a 7% damage boost to summons. Although this may seem useful on paper, because of rounding, it barely affects summons at all for the time you use it. Perhaps, it could be reworked into a consumable item that gives you an aura around you, similar to the wulfrum pylon's aura, that supercharges nearby wulfrum enemies for a short amount of time. Currently, the only way to get energy cores (an essential ingredient in wulfrum armor) is by going all the way to the forests on the outside edges of the world. And on large worlds, doing this can actually be harder than just doing Desert Scourge and making victide armor. As such, there should be a way to get energy cores without doing this, to make getting wulfrum armor viable.||
hollow shell
Same goes for the other one you have in posting
@quick ice Your's too
Cool thanks Zest
ashen warren
np
hollow shell
Do we think Zesty Toad's other suggestion is aight?
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/699359022364491868/739351310733672468
quick ice
fixed
hollow shell
thanks
sturdy geyser
yes
tawny garden
oh, so the bot does kinda mess up, although that's more of a discord thing
and yeah, sugg's ait
hollow shell
yeah it was an unforeseen reason for it not working
hollow shell
Yeah if somebody pointed it out we'd be like "oh yeah that makes sense"
but
nah, foresight
subtle oracle
Oh damn, star req getting Raised again i see :sadge: Don't really spend much time in suggs anymore but that seems debatable
hollow shell
The stats don't lie
ashen warren
rover liked my sugg :ambergasm:
vital ore
@hollow shell I thought about it for a while, and how about Suggestion;
Add Pirate Lore using lucky coin effect, but reduced defense by 30, will let the super rare accessory see the light of day more, but using it will come at a great cost, to prevent just passively having it on (as a drawback of using it instead of lucky coin).
Lucky coin represents the Pirates greed, and the defense loss also represents the recklessness that greed causes.
asking here before i try posting it
edited version v3;
Add Pirate Lore using lucky coin effect, but with massively reduced defense, will let the super rare effect see the light of day more, but using it will come at a great cost, to prevent just passively having it on (as a drawback of using it instead of lucky coin).
The accessory will still be an advantage over this, as it can be crafted into the 2 rings, but will remain at the very low drop it is currently.
Lucky coin represents the Pirates greed, and the defense loss also represents the recklessness that greed causes.
hollow shell
Uhh yeah that's specific
vital ore
yeah u said good reasoning could work, so i tried
hollow shell
Immediate flag is that you used an exact number, 30, for the reduced defense
vital ore
ah guess i should make it a tad less specific
hollow shell
You could say "greatly reduced defense"
hollow shell
Better.
But I am a little confused on this bit of your reasoning: "will let the super rare accessory see the light of day more"
Would it not serve as an alt to Lucky Coin and therefore make it get less usage?
vital ore
In my eyes it wouldnt, as people would still really want the lucky coin, as it can be crafted into the rings that gives the stuff like 20% prices (tho siren heart does this too)
and the added coin pickup range,
in addition, this lore items heavy drawback would further incentivise trying to still go for the lucky coin instead.
Its sort of like the Eye of Cthulhu lore item, where it mimics night vision at night, at the cost of reduced vision at day, where
a night vision potion or similar would probably be better usually
(edited; typo)
of course, based on the defense loss it would likely change how often it would be used, but thats why I thought a massive loss to defense would work both as a balanced counterweight, and as the representation of greed, as pirates are usually viewed as thieves of the seas
hollow shell
okay but like you say that it'd let the accessory see the light of day
The lore item is not the accessory
vital ore
ah guess my wording came off a bit wrong
tried editing again, not sure why i wrote accessory, meant "effect"
english not first language so i guess it happens
hollow shell
Yeah that's more fitting
lucid marsh
Hey I noticed that it’s easier to get meteorite armor as your first armor besides wood or cactus than it is to get wulfrum armor now. I’m trying to think of a way to fix this besides removing the new requirements for wulfrum armor, but I don’t really see any.
radiant meadow
make pylons rarely spawn in the center of the world?
hollow shell
I think that'd ^ be a good idea yeah
radiant meadow
but more common on the edges
hollow shell
mhm
lucid marsh
Yeah good idea
hollow shell
(and also reduce Wulfrum enemy spawns in the middle of the world overall, to compensate
cuz I'm getting my ass a little bit kicked )
lucid marsh
Some worlds don’t even have forest biomes around the edges
whole sedge
small world problems
hollow shell
Zesty did have a solution idea, mentioned in #suggestions-voting
lucid marsh
Yeah
hollow shell
Wulfrum Battery
lucid marsh
It’s an ok idea but not great
fossil finch
I would just make another item and leave wulfrum battery as it is rn
hollow shell
Kristaps' sugg valid?
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/699359022364491868/739434571040292875
ashen warren
I mean yes but also what would those toilets be made out of
hollow shell
The same stuff all the other furniture of their kinds are made out of
craggy stratus
well in a way, it is necessary
tawny garden
yea
dense fiber
Toilet
modern idol
I hope the sugg hasn't been said already recently
because I always wondered why it was called that when it doesn't have the gun in the recipe
hollow shell
Honestly, very strangely,
I don't know if this has ever been suggested
modern idol
I mean it isn't really important ig
hollow shell
Oh, plenty of unimportant stuff gets suggested about
I just think nobody's really made the connection
modern idol
Can i edit sugg? i made a typo in there
hollow shell
Yes
modern idol
thx
hollow shell
(most recent mention of C.A.R bein in Gatlignum's recipe that I can see in suggestions voting
is January 2018, before the channel even had stars and it was just one channel)
modern idol
hmm, I wonder if it was meant to be in the actual recipe at some point but then forgotten?
hollow shell
I definitely think so
modern idol
I mean this mod is big lol
hollow shell
Just a complete oversight and the weapon is so forgettable nobody bothered correcting it
balmy jay
I still feel like stealth strikes are kinda underpowered, but I have no idea how to buff them without making them incredibly broken
modern idol
Yeah, I've only used it once, I just thought about this when looking through the wiki
modern idol
agreed
balmy jay
Which is theoretically what stealth strikes are for
modern idol
I just finished a rogue playthrough, and I probably utilized a stealth attack once in the whole playthrough
balmy jay
Maybe the modifier for rogue damage based on stealth could be greatly increased?
Cause I mean without stealth strikes rogue is just melee but with uhhh a difference maybe?
hollow shell
There's already been multiple stealth semi-rework suggestions recently
I would hold off
Anyway do we think Lily's Extractinator sugg is fine?
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/699359022364491868/739477868983222364
modern idol
I think it's fine. Just what would the recipe be tho?
balmy jay
Would probably involve iron and chains
hollow shell
Prolly just like iron and chains and maybe a bunch of silt
Not necessarily important
modern idol
seems like a good idea tho
unreal viper
Was the summoner damage penalty doubled? Based on some tests I did it seems so.
cobalt pewter
Yes
radiant meadow
yes
ashen warren
ye
ashen warren
also fearmonger just makes it less
instead of removing it
I assume this is to balance out the fact that summons crit now
cobalt pewter
Oh yeah, summons naturally crit now?
ashen warren
yes
unreal viper
I’ll sugg that it get changed to what it was before tomorrow, thanks.
ashen warren
base chance is only 4%
cobalt pewter
I might assume you can with global crit chance boosts
unreal viper
No
cobalt pewter
balmy jay
I think the main issue with stealth strikes is
Rogue damage doesn't scale up enough with the stealth meter
You're sacrificing a few to several seconds of attacks for one attack that doesn't deal much more damage
Or two attacks, if you have the right accessories
cobalt pewter
I actually suggested smth to that effect
Stealth strike will deal much more dmg on slower stealth regen
balmy jay
Wouldn't that discourage using the stand still for fater stealth regen though?
Since standing still you regen stealth in 3 seconds iirc
cobalt pewter
Point is with faster regen, you'd need to stop attacking or not moving for shorter time
Taking more time in charging stealth should be rewarded similarly
balmy jay
I mean standing still in and of itself is a big hazard so
cobalt pewter
Yes, and it's even more punishing if you'd take more time doing it
balmy jay
Or just make it a compromise
That it takes 6 secs to regen stealth whether moving or not
cobalt pewter
That defeats the point in the stealth design
balmy jay
And even in the new update
Taking stealth regen accessory modifiers
Is sacrificing the much more useful menacing
cobalt pewter
It's just the issue of menacing having bad design, trumping literally everything else
balmy jay
Granted, if you were to take every accessory as "silent", you'd end up with 56% faster stealth regen
Which would amount to, even while moving, taking only ~5 seconds to regen stealth
Wait no I miscalculated
It would take ~4 seconds
Still, that's sacrificing almost 30% damage
Which is more than the dimensional soul artifact or reaper tooth necklace give, with no drawbacks
Rover mentioned there were a lot of suggestions for a stealth rework, so that's as much proof as anything that it's flawed
cobalt pewter
Both DSA and reaper tooth have drawbacks
cobalt pewter
And that's, again, the design flaw of menacing
hollow shell
(the point of that comment was not to inspire you to make another stealth suggestion, magolor)
cobalt pewter
Which is a vanilla thing
balmy jay
I don't plan on making one
cobalt pewter
Which I wouldn't mind it being nerfed, honestly
hollow shell
This chat doesn't need to happen in this channel
balmy jay
Ok fair
cobalt pewter
I swear I thought there's another stealth sugg
And I just butted in
But after this convo, I might suggest a menacing nerf
Might be controversial, but imma do it 
balmy jay
On that note, maybe the melee speed accessories should be changed too
For the opposite reason
cobalt pewter
That could work, but my main focus is menacing
unreal viper
Like all true melee speed mods, violent is only good for true melee.
You could argue that lucky is sometimes useful, but that’s literally only when you have an on-crit effect.
cobalt pewter
Lucky is poor man's menacing
Which benefits everything but summoner until you hit 100%
unreal viper
Warding is arguably better if you’re a defensive player, but the dr is kinda weak and the defense doesn’t scale enough imo.
Quick is bad
ashen warren
feedza honestly I don't know what you're talking about because all of the current modifiers are viable
besides quick obv
but that's because movement speed sucks in 1.3
sinful steeple
Tbf melee speed is useless for everything except a subclass and lucky does nothing for summoner
sinful steeple
Disregard the last part of the message then
unreal viper
It is only 4 percent and can’t be increased
ashen warren
warding is viable
lucky is good for things like p90 or portable tank
menacing is good all-around
||the stealth ones are usually better than menacing for rogue (especially with skyfin lol)||
and violent is better than menacing for true melee and things like terrablade
lucky doesn't affect summon crits afaik
unreal viper
Terrablade breaks with too much speed iirc
hollow shell
(gotta do separate spoiler tags on your top line and your reason, Feedza
cuz of the bot)
cobalt pewter
@hollow shell ah yes thanks
unreal viper
I don’t like weapons that exist just to inflict debuffs.
sinful steeple
Why
ashen warren
mad alchemist's cock glove :redmario:
cobalt pewter
@ashen warren I have not much to say for the stealth ones, since I haven't completed my meme / testing run, but those others you mentioned are only good for certain situations, aside from warding, which is only "viable" apparently
unreal viper
Boring
ashen warren
warding is good for tank builds and also it's just good always
sinful steeple
How are they more boring than constantly spamming the same weapon
cobalt pewter
Yeah I might've took your wording too seriously
ashen warren
also nerfing menacing doesn't make violent any better -_-
unreal viper
Buff lucky pls :(
unreal viper
Wut
ashen warren
and like unstable prism
unreal viper
Crit is great.
sinful steeple
Lucky was nerfed for a reason
ashen warren
sand I did the math and crit is less than damage
unreal viper
Hm
ashen warren
1% crit is roughly equivalent to 0.8% damage increase
cobalt pewter
Again, lucky is poor man's menacing
unreal viper
And damage deals with armor better
ashen warren
well let's say you're hitting 500 times for 500 damage, with a 50% crit rate
with those stats, you'll do 375000, assuming you crit exactly 50% of the time
with +15% damage, you'll do 431250 damage. and with +15% crit rate, you'll only do 412500 damage
unreal viper
However, crit and damage stats multiply by each other
And as you’ll generally have much more damage, going for crit is more helpful.
ashen warren
with +15% damage, you'll do 431250 damage. and with +15% crit rate, you'll only do 412500 damage
sinful steeple
And what about just for example +12% of both
unreal viper
I know how it works zesty
It’s because damage stat times crit stat = dps, and things have crit naturally
sinful steeple
Realistically you're never gonna have only crit chance boosted or only damage boosted because like even if you only have menacing or lucky lots of accessories and armours give damage or crit chance
ashen warren
if you don't believe that then the equation is
(500*175)+((500*325)*2) = 412500 for +15 crit```lategame your crit rate is like 77% natrually
soooooo
I'd say that's pretty reasonable
ashen warren
177
zenith hazel
@cobalt pewter your lihzahrd chest suggestion (https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/738510237178527786) got 2 reactions because we approved of adding more loot to the lihzahrd chests but we don't plan to add a lihzahrd crate, just in case you're confused
hollow shell
👍
pale glacier
Did someone say nerf menacing?
sand umbra
no, I said nerf Arcane
cobalt pewter
Did someone say nerf menacing?
@pale glacier y e s
unreal viper
Nerf arcane?
sand umbra
yes, nerf the literal worst modifier in the game
I know, I'm a genius ahead of my time
unreal viper
Uh
sand umbra
do you have another contender
sand umbra
oh fuck I forgot the movement reforges
unreal viper
Understandable mistake.
sand umbra
and how they do literally nothing to actual speed the moment you have shoes even discounting the fact their bonuses are literally unnoticeable in 90% of cases
unreal viper
Does move speed change max speed in 1.4?
unreal viper
Nice
sand umbra
accel still is and always will be the only speed stat that matters
onyx river
And when you do you need to have above a certain threshold for it to do something
unreal viper
Good sugg thomas.
sand umbra
oh yeah I made a sugg
it's about perhaps the most underwhelming and thematically confusing InfinityHeart Stone
onyx river
Idk, tbf about that i feel like every single ingredient for the HoE is not really worth the slot and is just an ingredient but also never truly tried to use them soo idk
unreal viper
Impressive title considering the contenders.
The rare sand has insane healing. It’s pretty good.
dapper coral
aero stone is good for defiled, but who plays defiled normally lmao
unreal viper
All others are kinda meh.
sand umbra
Aero Stone kinda pog
unreal viper
Even aero stone is just a worse frog leg.
sand umbra
Cryo Stone is just statstick the movie iirc
dapper coral
the only other one i can think of being good is chaos stone? maybe?
mage gang
but i haven't used it so idk
dapper coral
can we get a stone for each class
sand umbra
no
dapper coral
byeah so it seems that there are some useful ones
just not all of them
which is unfortunate
unreal viper
I like the sugg on giving the stones focus.
sand umbra
HotE is a big tree of how do I do unique effects fuck it 3% damage bonus on everything
onyx river
Yeah, some of them are usefull, but are they actually more usefull than other accs at the same tier, bc at that you usually have pretty full acc slots with pretty good accs
edgy pagoda
I think a wulfrum miniboss would be cool
hollow shell
We think Supreme Socc's sugg is valid?
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/699359022364491868/739480789976219678
unreal viper
Yes.
cobalt pewter
Yes
slow sphinx
Any suggestions?
cobalt pewter
||Adjust the new sprite of ??? to make it fit more as a "lure".||
||Currently (as of 1.4.5) ???'s sprite is basically recolored Anahita. She still holds Atlantis and all that, and her stance hints that she seems ready to fight. This kind of defeats the point of ??? being a lure. Even if it isn't meant to be a lure anymore, then the spawning doesn't make much sense as before.
When Nahyln (Siren) was in Anahita's place, she assumed a sitting position, having face expression to make her look like singing, and she's not holding Atlantis.
Changing the posture of the new ??? sprite would make its role as a "lure" more prevalent, as currently it could be seen as a laid out threat.||
Thoughts on this?
Or does this count as a no?
vital ore
imo death on multiplayer during boss fight should last until boss dead or all players dead @slow sphinx
slow sphinx
Yes, all players are supposed to have alread died once
But if they keep coming back, they can outlast the boss, cheesing it
vital ore
cuz boss on singleplayer despawns on death
cobalt pewter
I guess at least wormhole pots can be disabled when a boss is alive
vital ore
nurse healing already got limitations to nerf cheese, so i dont see why not
slow sphinx
in death its removed, and @cobalt pewter yours does make since if they didn't make a respawn point near the boss.
cobalt pewter
Hmm
hollow shell
About ??? bein a lure
That doesn't necessarily need to be the case anymore
cobalt pewter
True, I'm just curious what is the real point of ??? now
With cysts, you broke parts of the bosses in question
And with the health pool of ???, aren't you just tickling Anahita?
slow sphinx
I think it's supposed to be so you don't accidentally summon her
But I don't understand the ??? part of it, most people would know what they are getting into
hollow shell
Now it could be seen as more of an act of challenging her, with Anahita/??? being a warrior type
"You wanna go? Cuz I'll fucking go"
We won't know for sure until the lore gets rewritten
slow sphinx
Yep
cobalt pewter
Hmm, that could work
But yeah, I'll wait for their new lore
Also seeing as Anahita is technically the Water Elemental of the group, maybe she could get sharknadoes (without the sharks) or a water-based version of the lava geysers from dmode?
hollow shell
That's an odd suggestion
She already has water spears and the like.
Sharknadoes is a definite no because Duke is not long after Ana & Levi
Geysers/spouts? Maybe? But, you'll need a stronger reason
cobalt pewter
Yeah, it's not like I want to immediately suggest those anyway
Just wondering and stuff
Usually how I use this channel aside from talking about existing suggs
hollow shell
heh
Krant's sugg look fine?
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/699359022364491868/739485738470473809
(I'm ignoring Sploopo's cuz Iban said it was already done)
cobalt pewter
Yeah that's fine
even tho I use my hood to cover my face because I'm a giant introvert
hollow shell
@slow sphinx Iron Heart isn't Hardcore anymore
slow sphinx
O, hadn't realized that yet
So does it does it just have you be dead until the boss leaves?
frail mantle
iron heart?
||nah, it's now no life regen, no healing and damage scales with your max hp||
slow sphinx
That makes since
hollow shell
||So it doesn't really make multiplayer cheese any harder to do, specifically.||
ashen warren
I feel the Supreme Calamitas lore drop should act like a toggle-use item at the beginning of the game like Revengeance.
Idk, just an idea.
hollow shell
Armageddon is close enough
ashen warren
But that only applies for bosses
hollow shell
If you want the SCal lore challenge specifically then you can just cheat it in
Not much use in makin another mode that's so similar
ashen warren
The team said Yharim would be added or something, should SCal’s drop be required to craft a summoning item for Yharim?
hollow shell
That's future content, you don't need to concern yourself with that
ashen warren
And also, won’t Yharon’s drop be contradictory with the soaring insignia?
It could really mess up the play through
hollow shell
Again, future.
(We're nerfin the hell out of Soaring Insignia tho)
ashen warren
Thanks
whole sedge
Soaring Insignia is the most broken 1.4 item by far as infinite flight time is stupidly good and gets rid of a lot of the point of some wings
sand umbra
I actually did some thorough research and realized that Insignia's flight time buff is in fact a lot less broken than it was originally made out to be
...and by thorough research I mean actually playing the game
the main reason it is broken is because it invalidates most modded bosses
vanilla bosses and in fact the entire vanilla context are fine because most vanilla wings are still lackluster even with it and the ones that aren't can easily get you killed if you're being stupid
shoutout to Empress Wings + Soaring Insignia being literal ML telefrag bait
byeah
infinite flight time is a little wacky to get used to but it's nothing to piss yourself over gamer-side or dev-side, all that really changes is that it makes you not have to touch down every few seconds to reset your flight time
the actually broken thing about Insignia is that it buffs wing mobility
but again, this mainly invalidates modded bosses
because, as I said already, vanilla wings are known to suck at understanding the JE power creep even with the adjustments to wing progression and power levels
it's not Re-Logic's fault that disgusting shit like MOAB and Aureate Booster exist
infinite flight time is "broken" in a loose sense of the term with wings like those because they're basically glorified extra jumps normally
most wings and wing-esque accessories suffer no actual balance penalties from the existence of Insignia, whether you want to admit it or not
and now I'm done rambling because this isn't the topic at hand.
moving on to the most recently posted sugg, if I had a new dev for every time I see someone complain about multiplayer cheese, I'd have a dev team bigger than Calamity's by more or less doing absolutely nothing
to what end must this be fixed in Calamity specifically rather than being its own mod?
you know, like half the other shit Calamity adds being better suited for separate mods?
personally I don't see there being any positive outcomes to Calamity specifically having to implement this sort of change
while I support this sugg's concept, I think it's better suited to its own mod rather than being a part of Calamity
modern idol
Thomas really just made an essay about the soaring insignia
pretty cool tho, didn't think of it that way
clever canopy
Just use the better multiplayer mod instead of all that complicated shit that wouldn’t really fit in calamity
ashen warren
I swear to god if Thomas goes for president I WILL vote for him
vocal grotto
Well, we're talking within the scope of modding in terms of balancing this thing anyway
crude geode
Regarding the suggestion about the Bloom Stone
- this would make it the only one of the stones to be dropped by a vanilla boss (Aero? Scourges. Cryo? Cryogen. Chaos? Clonelamitas.)
- If the whole reasoning behind moving Bloom Stone to plantera and not just buffing it is “theming”, then you have to argue how Aero Stone makes perfect sense to be dropped by a desert or ocean scourge worm, instead of anything that relates to the air or sky.
I don’t particularly see a reason to not just buff it, as Plaguebringer Goliath seems like a fine enough entity to drop the Bloom Stone. But maybe that’s just me.
polar grove
i think the point about it being more thematically fitting is just an aside, and that he thinks it would instead be an actually useful (maybe) item in post-plantera rather than post-pbg
crude geode
...it still wouldn’t be.
crude geode
You’d rather use spore sac even than Bloom Stone currently, as spore sac at least does something tangible.
polar grove
but i guess it would make more sense for the bloom stone to be dropped by a plant thing rather than a zombie cyborg bee
that always confused me
crude geode
Why does the aero stone drop from a worm?
polar grove
lack of enemies/bosses fitting its theme?
crude geode
At least PBG is in the jungle.
polar grove
im pretty sure there are exactly 0 prehm/hardmode sky bosses
unless the wyvern counts
crude geode
yes it does
I still don’t see the aero stone dropping from some worms in the desert or poisonous sea as very fitting.
polar grove
i guarantee you if calam ever makes a prehm sky boss the aero stone is being moved there
and same
crude geode
and I personally would just prefer Bloom Stone be buffed instead of it being moved to plantera for arbitrary but plant and mb then it will somehow compete with the most basic of accessories reasons.
Especially since the effect is 10 damage per second (16 in expert I believe) if all vanilla bosses are dead
spring owl
We need contaminated bile buffed
brittle nexus
I'd say pbg dropping bloom stone is fine, because it gives you another reason to fight it. pbg is an optional boss after all.
cobalt pewter
yes it does
I still don’t see the aero stone dropping from some worms in the desert or poisonous sea as very fitting.
@crude geode well I assume the decision for Aero Stone was primarily based off Desert Scourge. Desert is the second biome you'd think of when talking about wind after space, Sandstorms and all. I bet they'd move Aero Stone once they added a new pre-Cultist space boss (Alternatively, Deus can work to an extent).
As for Aquatic Scourge, it's literally 1:1 copy of DS in terms of loot.
crude geode
That would make sense.
That said, just because it’s the second biome I’d think of doesn’t make it particularly thematically appropriate when compared to Cryogen and Calamitas, or even the jungle PBG dropping a bloom stone.
cobalt pewter
Yeah, again, the lack of a proper space boss pre-Cultist causes this. Desert Scourge is fine dropping Aero Stone as it is, as it is the closest thing you can get to wind-based boss pre-Cultist. Also it's about time I say this: Man, AS loot is pretty bad.
clever canopy
If the bloom stone was buffed it still wouldn’t really see any more use. It’s the last/hardest ingredient to get for the heart of the elements, and most people will probably farm it’s low drop chance after defeating lunatic cultist, so they’ll already have the manipulator to craft it.
With its placement it’s really just another crafting ingredient rather than an accessory in its own right, and buffing it won’t particularly change that
cobalt pewter
What's the second latest hote material you can get?
distant gyro
pearl of enthrallment
distant gyro
you won't use either anyway
and this is where i segue into "why hote components should boost a single focused stat"
distant gyro
(it was me)
tawny garden
to clarify: "ground-type summon ai" is like the Hermit Crab?
young torrent
did mine get deleted?
tawny garden
might've
tawny garden
ancient echo
yee
tawny garden
maybe you could mention that in the sugg
untold cargo
What is this
robust lava
Ah yes, Russian
gray nebula
polar grove
this server is only for english
gray nebula
@frigid sphinx hjelp
hallow kraken
is this a boss sug
polar grove
btw im taking a screenshot of that lol
violet dagger
Wut
untold cargo
I can send what google translate says if anyone wants
violet dagger
Ok
polar grove
sure
frigid sphinx
wait wha
hollow idol
Silva real
gray nebula
pls translate or something
untold cargo
Where the end is but not the beginningToday at 16:04
Can you add Flora? Like a kind resident of Terarria. Mother of the dryad. Patroness of beauty and nature. Keepers of the little thing left from the destruction of Ktuhu
Congenitalness happens when you destroy the flower of Equilibrium in hardmode. Under the condition, a flower will grow if the turn into the ordinary world is 70% without infection and other biomaves.
Different biomes have their own Abilities. Appearance and different vypdennya vischey.
It can be found from Swamps to Tundras. From hot Deserts to endless Hell. From the watery Seas to the windy Sky.
Where her home is there and grows the flower of Balance [???]
frigid sphinx
oh god
zenith hazel
yeah I’ll take care of it from here
hollow idol
so an npc sug
untold cargo
thats google trasnlate its prob not right
polar grove
ok thats quite a ridiculous sugg
violet dagger
Yea
polar grove
and no it seems to be a sweeping sugg that wouldnt be out of place as a huge content mod by itself
zenith hazel
@ornate bluff
- Please use english
- Specific suggestions aren’t allowed, especially large scale ones like bosses
if anyone can translate that, that’d be epic
frigid sphinx
also dude fix your grammar
polar grove
google translate is known to butcher grammar
frigid sphinx
no i meant the original text
zenith hazel
if someone knows actual russian too then translate it without google ig
frigid sphinx
there are many misspellings
but the first half of the google translated one is rather accurate
tawny garden
what was the sugg?
ancient mirage
look up
polar grove
it seems to be something like adding something in that changes biomes to have like... abilities as its described
tawny garden
I need the original text
polar grove
i cant really tell cause the grammar is even worse than normal google translate
hold on
ill dm it to you
gray nebula
I have the og sugg copypasted
tawny garden
no, that one ain't worth reposting
zenith hazel
they said they don’t know english (I think, idk it’s roughly translated in dms), can someone fluent in russian help them out for me? ty
gray nebula
@ enreden uwu
weak field
According to the google translation above, it's more like a small content mod than a suggestion
gray nebula
tawny garden
according to the original text (which is as good as google translate) it asks for an NPC without a reason and it provides very specific details for it
can someone fluent in russian help them out for me?
I'm russian, but I don't wanna help
oh fuck, a sugg died
about minion ai
@hollow shell we need your god power, a valid sugg died
untold cargo
SIS?
robust lava
Does agergo know Cosmolight exists?
frail mantle
not an SIS
untold cargo
No he is talking about icons
karmic stone
I think they mean to make the the Clock's icon change color depending on the time of day
mint steppe
I don't any ide for reason.
robust lava
Do you mean you click those icons to change the time, or for the icon below the minimap to change when it's day/night?
tawny garden
it's valid if a reason is provided
robust lava
(and it's clarified what they actually mean)
tawny garden
(just that devs don't wanna deal with UI)
wooden wedge
@mint steppe can you give a reason for your sugg and make it more clear about what you want
sand umbra
hi yes I saw the discussion that occurred about my Bloom Stone sugg while I was away
I have now: adjusted the premise of said sugg a bit
because I will admit, even in Plantera's drop pool, it'd still be pretty worthless in its current state
sand umbra
can't wait for it to become plague stone
a.k.a. "how is this even one of the stones plague isn't even an element it's an artificial thing"
sand umbra
ah. I am glad to be wrong, then, regardless of whether or not I was joking
interested in seein' what's done with it 
crude geode
mfw when epic summoner man shuts down epic rant coder man
gray nebula
from art server and I quote
"Resprited Bloom Stone
Currently, the Bloom Stone sprite does not stand out unlike the other stones: looking like it's part of a completely different set (Uelibloom).
That's where you come in.
We request that the design should be unique and stand-out, and as such:
Recommended
Has a unique palette/design
Has an animation
Not recommended
Be related to the Plague, Uelibloom, or Perennial."
it's gonna be a unique thing like the other stons
sand umbra
perennial bloom stone 
crude geode
Pog Stone
frail mantle
squirrel squire staff doesn't really need a resprite
signal torrent
yes the pog stone
sand umbra
robust lava
Squirrel Staff only got added like a few updates ago, does it really need a resprite
sand umbra
I'm not illiterate I swear
gray nebula
just like the leggies, the stones are unique
sand umbra
I just woke up
distant gyro
gray nebula
also yeah squirrel squire's sprite is fine
signal torrent
Swear It was in the mod for a long while. Though, the Squirrel does really need a few AI fixes.
sand umbra
Squirrel Squire is fine sprite-wise
gray nebula
no it's very recent
sand umbra
distant gyro
squirrel is cute
gray nebula
sand umbra
frail mantle
it was added i think four months ago?
signal torrent
My starting playthroughs with it have it getting stuck on blocks alot.
gray nebula
we are aware of the bugs it has but iirc we're keeping them because haha funny interloper
or something
sand umbra
(you're very likely to get one of the multiple other summons Calamity adds for early-game not too far in anyway)
frail mantle
it's also a starter bag item and not exactly meant to be very good
signal torrent
Yeah Wulfrum
sand umbra
shoutout to Wulfrum Controller which will satisfy all your summon needs for like 5 years after you get it
signal torrent
yeah
sand umbra
and also Frost Blossom Staff which is chad
signal torrent
Much easier to get with the new updates
though I'm jealous that I get stuck with just the flying drone as the minion, the rovers are cool
violet dagger
then again with the resprites you have the previous galactica singularity which lasted like 2 months even tho it was perfectly fine
wooden wedge
@signal torrent remove the resprite part of your sugg
signal torrent
I'm just gonna remove it since Iban said that the AI bugs are gonna stay.
also Iban's pfp looks familiar
hardy wing
Something about squirrel
frail mantle
do you just sense every time someone mentions squirrels on this server
signal torrent
Though I do have another suggestion idea, just need to figure out the specifics for it.
cobalt pewter
Itsa fargo, with a top hat lemur
and yes, that astral "squirrel" is, in fact, a lemur
smoky wagon
Farming pbg for hote sucks