@sturdy geyser who wouldn't want to try to save a seemingly unsaveable world?
#suggestions-discussion
fiery grove
hollow shell
There's no need to discuss it further
sturdy geyser
bruh what
hexed spade
hollow shell
Dave please
frail mantle
you can suggest things as long as they follow the suggestion rules
sand umbra
me, having made a suggestion about giving Clonamitas spells and killing her lasers just a few days ago:
"the fuck are you on about mate"
hollow shell
If you suggested a very minor detail for Yharim it still wouldn't be allowed
You can only make suggestions about stuff that's currently in the game
Once Yharim comes out, you can repost your suggestion idea
violet dagger
^
fiery grove
so just bug fixes w/ extra steps.
hollow shell
Nope.
hollow shell
This is a suggestion that is allowed and creative:
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/737185187917594724
sand umbra
violet dagger
I didnt see it and I regret not voting
violet dagger
fiery grove
idk what clonemiatas is. (is it that mech boss area calamitas fight?)
violet dagger
yes
hollow shell
ye
sturdy geyser
this is epic
sand umbra
yeah it's shorthand for Calamitas Clone
hollow shell
m
violet dagger
still waiting for my boss rush curse sugg to either get approved or denied
fiery grove
calamity, I mean.
hollow shell
I recommend starting a new playthrough once the new update comes out
Should be some time today (or maybe tomorrow)
It's a big one
violet dagger
is sad
hopefully in the changelogs
one of the first things for this update
was an improved config
hope that could help with the boss rush curses
hollow shell
Mostly just visual improvements but yeah hopefully
fiery grove
also, f r i c k the dungeon thing in 1.4
whoever thought: hey, lets make the dungeon hell to do for the first time! should go to the deepest layer of the underworld.
hollow shell
(I think the Dungeon could always extend that low, it's just random)
hexed spade
yeah
fiery grove
no, i meant the half broken stuff
hollow shell
Ah
fiery grove
tahts bs
violet dagger
also why is changelog still labeled as 1.4.4.5 instead of the new version
fiery grove
a load of shite
violet dagger
not that important tbh
robust lava
It will probably change when Fab changes it to say released
violet dagger
ye
hollow shell
Once tMod and Calamity update to 1.4 then you can suggest something get done about the cracked bricks
fiery grove
k
ok, this will probs not get awnsered, but
is there a dev only weapon like the old, old, zapinator in calamity
hollow shell
We have the Lazinator which is a rough recreation
robust lava
Any Shadowspec tier weapons 
fiery grove
no
hollow shell
Vehemence is probably the closest weapon you can get to that functionality-wise
Deals a ridiculous amount of damage every hit
Proportional to enemy HP
hexed spade
up to 1 million (2 million if it crits)
if you were thinking of adding a dev tier weapon that is not allowed
fiery grove
bruh no
fiery grove
is there any plans/idea for preverting the use of the zenith to rip thru early-post ml calamity bosses yet?
imma not say anything
hollow shell
We are very likely going to make Zenith be properly on-tier powerful yes
robust lava
I think it’s getting tier shifted?
whole sedge
terratomere will likely be better still along with Ark of the Elements
hexed spade
yeah it will be moved in progression
violet dagger
in every other mod its gonna give i frames
radiant meadow
it's getting tier shifted but that's not really relevant to something you could suggest
fiery grove
oh crud
im gotten the attention of mods
one of the 6 gods of this realm stare at you, doing nothing
hollow shell
ok
fiery grove
(its a joke, about in-game vanilla/calamity text)
hollow shell
Anyway
hollow shell
Do we think dazedace's sugg is good for approval?
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/699359022364491868/738896583172816909
hexed spade
yeah i think its ok
whole sedge
It'd be an interesting buff to Rogue weapons, to me likely will get denied but it's good for approval imo
hollow shell
.. actually looking at it, reasoning is weak
@fallen plover You could mention that Rogue currently does not have a buff station, and that this would work to give it one (even if only for the time being)
fiery grove
some weapons look deadace look like knifes and swords tho (rogue weapons)
hollow shell
I would also remove the bit about rogue being weak cuz all the testers will ream you for that
whole sedge
yeah
hexed spade
it also makes sense that rogue weapons can be sharpened
fiery grove
this sorta feels like the whole 'reee 1.4 melee op' some classes just outweigh others
unless if just not reading into it enough
hexed spade
1.4 melee is not that op because the zenith is post moon lord which you normally stop playing after
fiery grove
well, yes.
hollow shell
aight we'll wait for daze to show up (hopefully in the next 5 hours)
Does Turtles' sugg look alright?
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/699359022364491868/738902381105905745
hexed spade
yeah i think its good
fiery grove
if we must locate it below the abyss, boi plz no. i hate swimming.
but if its just like, still in heck
just below the aybss
whole sedge
Looks good to me, has some decent reasoning also
fiery grove
now, if this aint a thing
i have an idea
but i need to know if its been done first
when close to an evil boime (the 2 vanilla ones) (but not too close to where a house cant be) the mechanic will sell the mix/sprayable stuff for the other evil boime
like, e.g. 500 blocks from the corruption, she sells crimson mix or whatever.
my reasoning? so the player does not need to use more than 1 world to get all lores/loot from the other boime.
has this been done already?
whole sedge
evil island spawns in every world with the opposite evil
woeful lantern
good reasoning but i think it should be closer to the abyss, not to the point where it is directly under it, it would become more of a pain if it was at one side of the world
hollow shell
The problem with that suggestion is that NPCs cannot live in Corrupt/Crimson areas
whole sedge
Then expand it, you can do that easily enough
hollow shell
(That's one of the motivators to stop it spreading, cuz it'll invalidate your housing)
fiery grove
I said in it away from the areas, a certain distance will trigger the selling of x mix
hollow shell
Dunno how easy that'd be to detect
hexed spade
future content
woeful lantern
future content rule
earnest vine
@glad thunder thats a dont
hollow shell
I think it'd be better to just suggest the Steampunker sell both evils during the Blood Moon instead of only the world's respective one
fiery grove
and no, unless you get more blcoks (another world) you cant extend it
ye
rover, that sounds good
hollow shell
And yeah NovaNeon you can't suggest anything about 1.4
glad thunder
Alright my bad, I’m assuming the rules are in the pins for the suggestions posting channel?
violet dagger
ye
hollow shell
Yeah, it's the Google Doc
whole sedge
Yeah they're in a doc in the pins
and if i remember correctly the island is usually made out of ebonsandstone or whatever the crimson alternative is which can be used to make an artifical biome and fight the two other bosses 
fiery grove
Insert player name here tried to swim in lava.
violet dagger
this sugg is valid but im confused on 1 thing
hexed spade
thats getting fixed iirc
fiery grove
A small, mini boime, away from the rest of said vanilla evil boime genned, will contain the spawns for the other boss spawns, but is locked with a key dropped by the boss of the evil that is genned
pale glacier
I meant cheatsheet my bad
fiery grove
e.x. corrupt gen, corrupt hive mind drops key for others, and blcoks to make art boime
woeful lantern
too SIS imo
pale glacier
Thanks for pointing it out gsealboi
violet dagger
np
hollow shell
Yeah Dave you can just suggest the Dryad sell the opposite evil boss spawn after you beat the world's evil boss
(because she normally only sells the spawns of the boss that you defeated)
fiery grove
ye
woeful lantern
if u were to suggest that i think it should be something like Add a way to get the other world evil bosses spawns to give the devs more options
whole sedge
Yeah that sounds better as well there's already an alternate evil in the world and such 
hollow shell
(Gotta make sure you add a reason to your suggestion)
hexed spade
already sells expert item and ^
hollow shell
shift+enter
pale glacier
Also what if breaking demon alters spawned the other world evil in your world rather than just expanding the one that's already present? That would be a neat thing to have in calamity. Thoughts?
woeful lantern
meh
hollow shell
Do you have a reason beyond "it'd be neat"
pale glacier
If I'm being honest, not really lmao
hollow shell
Because if it's to get other evil biome representation in the world, that would be better to have in Pre-Hardmode where all 4 evil bosses are, not start in hardmode
whole sedge
To me that sounds really difficult to pull off due to changing vanilla stuff but I don't see much of a reason also
pale glacier
That's fair
fiery grove
im not good at writing
woeful lantern
u'd fight the world evil bosses much earlier than breaking demon altars
hollow shell
Still gotta do Shift+Enter, Dave
We got a bot that reposts the suggs and it needs to have at least one line break in the message
hollow shell
Thanks
fiery grove
dont say anything bout edits, they were misspells and stuff badly allined.
ik, I spelt boime wrong like 3 times.
hollow shell
4 times now
fiery grove
can you dont
hexed spade
*not
tawny garden
no, you can't
hollow shell
But willn't I?
hexed spade
whow knowse
fiery grove
visible furstuation
hollow shell
Aight anyway back to approvals
Do we think PaladinZero's lore item sugg is fine? (the Don't related to this was revoked yesterday)
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/699359022364491868/738919906191605800
robust lava
Maybe it could say as a better way of getting the other evil's blocks, because you technically don't have to world swap to get some blocks, but there's only a limited amount on the island, and spreading more from there is kinda ech imo
fiery grove
ye, I like it
hexed spade
yeah i think its good
woeful lantern
i like that idea ye
fiery grove
lemme guess, my sugg breaks 15 rules.
tawny garden
no
woeful lantern
no it actually breaks 16
tawny garden
but it's not a don't
fiery grove
its only small because it gets to the point
hollow shell
You could explain how the Evil Island is not sufficient in its purpose
woeful lantern
because the other world evil cysts dont spawn could be a good reason
earnest vine
just an idea, but wouldnt it be better to only allow people to sugg if they've reacted to something in #rules to say that they've at least read the pins?? because a lot of people when they join the server just see suggs and post the first thing that comes into mind, and usually its a dont
fiery grove
oh look, another person who I will most likely hate.
earnest vine
(me?)
tawny garden
frail mantle
tawny garden
I had this idea before, Кинтана
earnest vine
didnt know that
hollow shell
I don't think that's needed.
tawny garden
there isn't much point to it, it's not gonna go anywhere
hollow shell
We have the sugg-posting channel as a middle-man filter for this reason
whole sedge
yeah
woeful lantern
ur not wrong with the suggestion usually being a donts or poorly written but it isnt really that necassary
earnest vine
yeah
hollow shell
We think Fyre's evil biome lore sugg is good?
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/699359022364491868/738927630203748432
hollow shell
I mentioned it already and pinged him about it. Awaiting a response/edit now
tawny garden
ah
fallen plover
I improved my suggestion, theres not much too it though so it's difficult to add some detail
hollow shell
That's better, thanks
vital ore
so uhm, i got a suggestion for an item, which both is and isnt in the game, is that against the rule? basicly new lore item for pirates, but has the effect of lucky coin + encumbering stone,
my bad if it seemed obvious if it was/wasnt against the rules, just unsure if items technically already ingame/item types the mod already has counted as "new" or not
hollow shell
Encumbering Stone is a 1.4 item
tawny garden
read the doc instead of that pin
violet dagger
insert obligatory encumbering stone meme here
tawny garden
I'm thinking of making a sugg, but I don't know if it's a good idea: the current naming of the mod is a bit confusing, you have to download both a "no music" mod and a "music" mod, and I think the main mo should be renamed to be "Calamity Mod (main)", of maybe just "Calamity Mod"
hollow shell
I think that's a good idea to suggest
vital ore
about that, why was the mod split up in the first place?
hollow shell
File size.
tawny garden
cause music mod is B I G
dapper coral
music is apparently thicc size
vital ore
lol ok
frail mantle
music files make the mod file size big chungus
iirc music files used to make up, like, 75% of the mod before the split
vital ore
well sorry about earlier suggestion,
had to ask as I wasnt really sure if it was counted as "new" or not, since it was about a lore item (despite it not technically being in the mod)
vital ore
so it ISNT against the rules?
hollow shell
I don't think that suggesting the effects you want it to have is the best idea
If you back your suggested effects up with good reasoning then it can be allowed
vital ore
yeah i thought more like encumbering stone as the downside, as most of the lore items with "good" effects have one
south sleet
I saw that it recently got approved but I read the suggestion rules before I posted
did there use to be a rule against suggesting changes to lore items?
hollow shell
There did
vital ore
from what i read in the doc it was about combining lore items tho
hollow shell
Back when lore items had no downsides, a Don't was created disallowing lore items from taking up less inventory space
But, now that they do have downsides, we decided to get rid of it (yesterday, in response to your sugg)
south sleet
neat
hollow shell
We think dazedace's and Fyre's suggs are good (now)?
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/699359022364491868/738896583172816909
woeful lantern
hmm rogue does use some of melee exclusive content and i guess theoretically u can sharpen rogue weapons
tawny garden
aight
south sleet
I like it. There's no rogue equivalent to the sharpening station either right?
hollow shell
Not yet, no.
woeful lantern
ye there is no rogue station
south sleet
though if that's on the horizon then it might not be a good idea to jump the gun
hollow shell
We don't have any concrete plans
tawny garden
how about brick plans?
hollow shell
Nah none of those either
south sleet
bruh
tawny garden
((sorry, dad joke, even though I'm ~16))
fallen plover
I got the idea when playing rogue and getting stuck on a boss and sifting through everything to give me an advantage
south sleet
gotta say, reading the suggestions is a good time waster
most of these ideas are pretty neat
hollow shell
heh
Catsrule's look fine?
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/699359022364491868/738958768016195594
tawny garden
I can't add anything to it
woeful lantern
i guess the suggestion is fine, calamity does provide a lot of QoL changes so i dont see why this shouldnt be added
ashen warren
No from me, solutions are here to only be obtainable that way which includes you having to find the biome, so removing it would kinda be dumb imo
south sleet
yeah i kinda disagree too
i mean the red and purple solutions are kinda a pain but
its easy enough to get the solutions you actually want just by relocation
hollow shell
Fair enough. Do you think it's fine to be put into #suggestions-voting though?
south sleet
i dont see why not
woeful lantern
sure
hollow shell
aighty then
burnt gust
Is there any other calamity add on I should get other than the music one? Im just starting out
ashen warren
Yeah, fine, although I doubt it. But we'll see, I'll have nothing against if its added
hollow shell
Not quite the right channel but, no. None of the other ones are official aside from the Music mod.
earnest vine
#help-advice-read-pins @burnt gust
burnt gust
Ok thanks
south sleet
a lot of these suggestions are stuff I wouldnt complain about having but are kinda just "yeah i dont think it would happen"
tawny garden
most suggs don't happen, correct
south sleet
well you know what i mean
tawny garden
I think I gathered some statistics, and only 3 out of 165 suggs were implemented
south sleet
what were those 3
tawny garden
I can't remember
south sleet
hm
tawny garden
there were 165 suggs last month
ashen warren
Well if they don't happen, hopefully they atleast give the developers an idea on something similar implemented
balmy jay
I feel like the clentaminator solutions suggestion should require certain milestones
Corrupt/crimson solution should both be unlocked after hive mind
Then again, by hardmode, you'd have it anyways probably
loud kayak
Personally I feel like the "milestones" of having the Steampunker in the right place was fine
hollow shell
(not quite the definition of "milestone")
loud kayak
Nah but it's an okay word for that context
woeful lantern
makes more sense imo
whole sedge
Yeah that makes complete sense to me as now you can get the summoning items before the boss
hollow shell
(sorry I got sidetracked for a moment)
tawny garden
for an hour 👀
dapper coral
no worries
question: is there a reason that rage and adrenaline have a buff when you use them? is it necessary to make them work?
frail mantle
it was probably the easiest way to implement them when they were added
hollow shell
It is definitely not necessary but I would personally dislike if those buff icons got removed
They are the buffiest buffs to ever buff
dapper coral
i just find it a bit irritating that they may delete some of your buffs when used
but i'll gauge the opinion on it first
hollow shell
(not quite as bad as when Revivify Potions didn't have a buff icon but it would be comparable, imo)
dapper coral
plus not everyone has max buffs anyways so nbd likely
wait they didn't? that's kinda interesting actually
hollow shell
Yeah it was weird and I hated it :P
dapper coral
fair lol
i just think that you don't need the buff icons when you can hear the sounds of rage/adrenaline activating and petering out
tawny garden
And you won't disable these in practise
dapper coral
wdym
tawny garden
If you press on a buff icon, you deactivate the buff
dapper coral
wait, you can do that with rage/adrenaline?
i guess that makes sense
but that is bruh as well
tawny garden
Hmm, that makes me wonder if it actually disables the adrensline mid-way
dapper coral
basically, the only indicators of increased strength should be the meters and their sounds imo
because accidents happen + buff slot conundrum
dapper coral
there
dapper coral
honestly much more than i was expecting lmao
ashen warren
I like this new suggestion, it made me realise I can see the sound of the adrenaline and rage buff thing
tawny garden
No, you can't see the sound
dapper coral
lmfao
south sleet
just get alchemist mod for combo potions
tawny garden
The mod isn't balanced around other mods
fallen plover
wdym? It has calamity, thorium and other mods buffs in them
hollow shell
Calamity isn't balanced around other mods, he means
fallen plover
oh
dapper coral
yeah, when writing suggestions you should always assume that the player is only using calamity
unique owl
been a while since i've been here but
skeletron still spawns from the guy you talk to instead of like in the dungeon or anywhere else really.
south sleet
wym
unique owl
skeletron spawns ontop the old man at the dungeon rite
south sleet
yes
frail mantle
yes
unique owl
some annoying shit ngl
golden narwhal
Tbh, it's not too hard to avoid
unique owl
esp for nohits
south sleet
well that's re logic's prob
unique owl
yeah its not too hard but its still dumb that you gotta
golden narwhal
As long as you don't jump, you won't get hit
ashen warren
It'd be cool if when you pressed curse the old man stayed still for a second and skeletron slowly came from below to kill him, then fight you
That also would fix your problem as he would take some time to come over
unique owl
ah yes
this
its just been an annoying asf to deal with every time, granted its not hard but that's not really the point
tawny garden
No like
The Old Man is the Skeletron
unique owl
still having it wait a second is good tho
tawny garden
But giving a second if cooldown is
unique owl
?
im pretty sure it's been suggested in the past and got a bunch of votes
met the req for a blue checkmark, at the time atleast
hollow shell
okay
tawny garden
Copypasting suggs word for word isn't prohibited, but it's 
ashen warren
butterbean moment
hexed spade
bean
indigo fog
does jelly bean count
tranquil phoenix
Bean indeed
violet dagger
b e a n
tranquil phoenix
I had to do it
wooden wedge
@tranquil phoenix meme suggs are a don't
wooden wedge
This is a long time requested item
also like who
hollow shell
boo meme suggestion
tranquil phoenix
I will refrain from suggesting anything for comedy
It was a joke
Everyone in the calam chat was discussing a bean item
dull wren
Upon Defeat Of Evil Biome Boss, Dryad sells summon of its equivalent in the other evil biome, and other evil biome blocks
e.x. upon beating EoW, Dryad sells summon for BoC, and crimson blocks. etc, etc. Reasoning: So Players don't have to swap worlds to get the other evils materials, A lot of efficiently than the evil island that holds very little amounts of said other material.
@fiery grove but she does already?
hollow shell
Yeah we'd appreciate no joke suggs
tranquil phoenix
So I jokingly suggested it
violet dagger
doesnt a bean item already exist
hollow shell
Also yeah that's right Braylon, thanks for pointing that out
This specifically applies to Calamity's evil boss summon items
violet dagger
[[Suspicous Looking Jelly Bean]]
red storm
hollow shell
Worm Food and Bloody Spine do both get sold after either vanilla evil boss dies
but this does not happen for Teratoma / Bloody Worm Food
violet dagger
bruh
unique owl
oh yeah, is there a way to toggle the "failed the challenge at hand." message when doing nohits
its p annoying when im trying to figure out how i died and it just says that
tawny garden
do you mean the arma message?
south sleet
Just wanna be able to fight perferators even in corrupt world
The unchecked box pains me
tawny garden
not really
unique owl
ye
craggy stratus
i think there has been a suggestion regarding this
unique owl
ah yes
dapper coral
no there isn't
tawny garden
it's doing a .Kill();
dapper coral
as in, there isn't a way to change it
unique owl
so there's no way to make it not say that
dapper coral
nope
hollow shell
Yeah the Arma thing is (much) harder to change than one would think
unique owl
thats dumb
hollow shell
Unfortunately
tawny garden
oh, you want to not have a death status msg at all?
tawny garden
no, that's hardcoded redcode
dapper coral
it's a bit unfortunate really, but it is what it is
unique owl
normally when you die it says to X's laxer or something but not in arma
hollow shell
Yeah we'd need a different but still guaranteed way of instantly killing the player
tawny garden
you can't do it without it being convoluted as fuck
hollow shell
(I wonder if doing something like setting your DR to -10000% would work)
unique owl
no clue how the coding works but id assume its something like arma kills the player in a certian way, hence the message being what it is, so it'd be annoying to re-code it to insta kill the player via the enemy hit
hollow shell
Yeah
dapper coral
pretty much
unique owl
neato
tawny garden
(I wonder if doing something like setting your DR to -10000% would work)
you will constantly take 1 damage
and die with the on fire! status msg
hollow shell
Really, DoT?
unique owl
yeah that takes out the idea of dot's
hollow shell
Why would it do that? It's not life regen
tawny garden
I think that would happen
that certainly happens with defense
hollow shell
How strange
tawny garden
gonna get back to you on that
hollow shell
aight
ancient mirage
there would also still be the problem of revives, but that seems easier to fix
hollow shell
Alternatively, it could set your taken damage to always be way higher than your max health
instead of modifying the DR stat
but yeah we would need to do something about revives
We could just add a check in all the revives before they happen, saying "if arma, don't do it".
It wouldn't catch other mods' revives but we could still just leave it at that
anyway w/e this doesn't directly pertain to any suggs anymore
Do we think Forsaken's biome lore sugg is fine?
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/699359022364491868/738976462396325899
tawny garden
yeah
south sleet
i like
dapper coral
yeah sure
hollow shell
Cool
arctic notch
Idea: Have the Blade of Grass, Amazon, and Thorn Chakram shoot poisonous stingers at nearby enemies on hit. I think this would be a good idea as it would give you a reason to use them.
Any thoughts?
unique owl
not sure bout the blade but i agree 100% on the thorn and amazon
arctic notch
Why not Blade?
dapper coral
i don't think this would break any rules...i'm not entirely sure though, so someone please correct me if it does.
in the event that it is legal, what other weapons would someone be using instead? i would advise examples to show that these weapons don't see use in calamity
arctic notch
Weapons likely used more: Burnt Sienna and the Redtide Sword,.
Cnidarian and Air Spinner.
Urchin Spear.
Seashell Boomerang.
hollow shell
I'm a bit unsure on it but I think you could suggest that yeah
Thorn Chakram at least has the unique boomerang behavior in that it ricochets off of blocks instead of returning on impact
but the other two really are bog-standard boring examples of their weapon types
arctic notch
Chakram still could be better, and I believe this is a way to do it that makes thematic sense.
And I don't see anything preventing me from suggesting this.
Should I post it in #suggestions-posting ?
Or wait for more input?
hollow shell
I was just concerned with the specificity of "Have them shoot poisonous stingers at nearby enemies on hit." instead of a more general suggestion like "Give them a unique behavior"
arctic notch
I think I've seen things around as specific as that.
hollow shell
Yeah it'll be allowed, s'just sidling closer to the edge
arctic notch
Ok.
dapper coral
yeah, just be careful that you don't get any more specific, but this is fine
hollow shell
You could include some of your examples in your suggestion, giving evidence that there are weapons with more interesting & useful functions than them
arctic notch
Ok.
dapper coral
yeah, cite that the victide/aerialite tier conflicts with it, like you did earlier
hollow shell
Aerialite is a bit too far imo
Victide and Jungle weps comfortably share that same category of "technically pre-boss but still a bitch to get"
dapper coral
fair
wooden wedge
doesn't victide already do this
wooden wedge
it makes underwater movement faster
dapper coral
it helps with underwater stuffs yeah
wooden wedge
and makes breath last longer in the abyss
wooden wedge
does it only affect the abyss??
young torrent
oh ok
hollow shell
Lemme double check the source
Yeah, no normal water breathing, just movement and reduced Abyss breath loss.
young torrent
i fixed it up a bit, how does it look?
hollow shell
(you misspelled Abyss)
young torrent
oops
hollow shell
((still one left))
young torrent
yeah
hollow shell
young torrent
haha
young torrent
😂
limber ocean
weak field
Whoever suggested stinger shooting yoyo
Amazon is already strong
Or to say, the second best prehardmode yoyo
Only beaten by god's gambit
jolly ember
They should make leviathan scales that drop from the leviathan boss, and they can make armor that gives solid defense for post moon lord, and have more features if the player is in water
radiant meadow
that sounds a bit specific
polar grove
re-adding removed "features" is a dont
polar grove
it was removed cause it was an exploit
jolly ember
Ahhh
polar grove
which is why i said "features"
hollow shell
Not talking about your sugg AHI
wooden wedge
@feral pewter read above
hollow shell
Talking about Frankfire's https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/699359022364491868/739312813670924331
hollow shell
Yes, the dash mounting.
feral pewter
well maybe instead of removing dash-mounting as a whole they could've found another way to prevent players from abusing that certain exploit?
radiant meadow
Dash mounting is the exploit though
How do you prevent abuse of that while keeping it?
hollow shell
Make it not work during boss fights
radiant meadow
That would be a bit arbitrary imo
radiant meadow
That's what people said about Jared
feral pewter
i would be 100% fine if it were re-added but disabled during boss fights
polar grove
jared is just a meme, he doesnt really count
also is it really that big of an issue to have half a second more of acceleration time when mounting? outside of bosses its not an issue at all
ancient crow
it's really useful for blessed apple
ancient crow
takes quite a while to get to max speed otherwise
polar grove
its still only a few seconds
feral pewter
yea, only a few
excruciatingly
long
seconds
hollow shell
(tis part of the balance of Blessed Apple)
feral pewter
and fabsol mount needs it
also with the bean it was kinda OP during yharon fights
i mean
you could bounce to the other side of the arena in seconds with it while dash mounting
cobalt pewter
Unicorn is useless now tho? I mean if we're talking about cruising, black spot does better than that
feral pewter
im sure lots of people would consider it a strategy rather then a exploit but eh the harder it is the more rewarding it is to succeed
but could you please at least let us dash mount for while not fighting a boss to get around the world better?
hollow shell
(Remember, Black Spot doesn't exist yet)
feral pewter
if we can get a boost mining speed config setting why cant we get a enable/disable dash mount config?
that would be a fine idea no?
hollow shell
No because mining speed isn't really a matter of balance
feral pewter
you could still have it disabled while fighting bosses
wooden wedge
what's the relation between mining speed boosts and dashing
hollow shell
Whereas, like you said, dash mounting can be used to make bosses easier
providing greater-than-intended mobility
feral pewter
it would be nice to have a option for the people who would like to dash-mount to enable it
the relation would be both save you time
dash mounting would be a easy way to get to max speed on a mount helping you travel across your world faster
mining speed boost also helps you navigate caves/traverse the underground faster
hollow shell
It would be a weirdly specific config to enable/disable and exploit
If we wanted greater movement speed across the world with mounts it would be something like "Boost mount acceleration/speed outside of boss fights"
jolly ember
What if you could combine a minecart and some astral bars to make an astral minecart, which would be maybe slightly faster than the mechanical minecart.
sand umbra
also having a minecart faster than mech cart is bruh
clever canopy
I think the problem with dash-mounting is one of skill level making balance hard. For 90% of players, dash mounting would never be exploited because they’re just casually playing through the bosses, but for the super serious players dash-mounting may be too powerful
jolly ember
Well, there aren’t any minecarts in Calamity, and also it would be nice for certain boss fights, also because of the rust and dust update it could be Draedon’s minecart with other ingredients, and it’s for every mode not just expert.
unkempt bolt
dash mounting isn't hard at all to take advantage of
clever canopy
It may not be hard to take advantage of but most people wouldn’t think to do it
unkempt bolt
so then it isn't a matter of skill
jolly ember
Well It could be a bit slower or boosted in master/expert
unkempt bolt
oh boy
wooden wedge
@vocal nexus a reference item for the sake of a reference is a don't
at least I think that's what this is
vocal nexus
ok
wooden wedge
remember to read the pinned don'ts doc
clever canopy
I guess I just see dash-mounting as more of a feature than an exploit. It’s there if you want to use it but most of the time players won’t
wooden wedge
isn't that like the opposite of a feature
clever canopy
Very few people would use a mount at all during a boss fight
hollow shell
(cept Bean for Yharon)
clever canopy
isn't that like the opposite of a feature
@wooden wedge what? All features are optional
unkempt bolt
i mean nobody uses bean as a mount
dry latch
is bean even still viable for yharon? haven't played the update yet
clever canopy
Let ‘em
I don’t think an entire feature should be removed cause it’s “too useful” for a certain boss
polar grove
dash-mounting was never a feature, its a bug
unkempt bolt
well it wasn't an intended mechanic
which is a perfectly valid reason to remove something, regardless of how useful it is or isn't
clever canopy
What makes you think it’s a bug?
unkempt bolt
it being removed
polar grove
because ive read the source and its not intended for mounts to be able to do that
clever canopy
Removed by calamity or by terraria? I haven’t played much 1.4
wooden wedge
if it was a feature it wouldn't be gone
polar grove
the source of vanilla i mean
polar grove
dash-mounting is a physics bug that exploits how mounts are handled
clever canopy
Just cause it’s not specifically coded into the game doesn’t mean it should be removed
Lots of the best features from games are unintentional
wooden wedge
that's true logan, but doesn't matter for this
polar grove
or i guess a more correct terms would be an exploit
hollow shell
I wouldn't say it's a bug
clever canopy
What do you mean when you say bug?
hollow shell
An exploit, maybe.
Unintended? Yes
polar grove
when i say bug i mean its an unintended thing that wasnt meant to ever happen
clever canopy
Something can be unintended without it being a bug
polar grove
this is not one of those cases
dry latch
oh not this shit again. almost got warned cuz of this in gen talk
let's just agree that the devs don't want it
clever canopy
A bug is more like something going specifically against the intentions of the code
polar grove
which is what dash-mounting is
clever canopy
Did the terraria devs try to code it so that you couldn’t dash-mount? If not then it’s not a bug
polar grove
they did
balmy jay
All the more reason to never use mounts and only boots
polar grove
they just failed spectacularly in true relogic fashion
balmy jay
Dash-running is a feature though, right?
dry latch
if you say that it is indeed a feature, well there's a part in the don't doc that says no to re-adding removed features
polar grove
like dashing to get up to full speed? yeah thats intended
dry latch
so if you consider it a feature then it becomes a don't lol
balmy jay
Cause I mean, mounts got useless as soon as you got seraph tracers anyways
polar grove
i wouldnt go that far
dry latch
but if you don't then it'd be more nonsensical to re-add a bug
polar grove
the bean is useful as a downward dash sometimes, and the shadow dragon has a patently insane top speed
balmy jay
I don't know if 1% rev mode drops really count as part of the discussion
clever canopy
if you say that it is indeed a feature, well there's a part in the don't doc that says no to re-adding removed features
@dry latch I believe the doc is more in reference to features of calamity, not features of vanilla
polar grove
actually the bean is a 100% drop from rev aureus
the problem is that dash-mounting is not a feature
its an exploit
clever canopy
I really don’t think it’s a big enough deal to label it an exploit
polar grove
and actually, the re-adding features dont in the doc includes vanilla features
balmy jay
Well wait
clever canopy
It’s just a neat movement trick
polar grove
idk i havent personally tested the update, but im guessing that wasnt removed
balmy jay
I mean it depends on how the new mount code handles it I guess
Since if it resets your speed grapple mounting would also be removed
clever canopy
To me this just comes off as nerfing things that people find fun, like 1.4 did with the fishing meta
Game balance isn’t the only thing that goes into a game/mod
hollow shell
It's a pretty spicy argument to say to ignore balancing in favor of a fun exploit
cobalt pewter
Was the acceleration of mounts buffed to account for mount-dash removal?
hollow shell
I dunno the details about this situation though, why/how the devs patched it
cobalt pewter
Since unicorn has a horrid accel
clever canopy
It’s not as if it’s some insanely powerful weapon that’s really easy to get though, it’s a trick with a mount
polar grove
actually, it can trivialize some bosses if you use it right
cobalt pewter
Which isn't hard to do
clever canopy
Game balance has its place, I’ll never deny that, but it’s not the only element
cobalt pewter
I'm not against the change, but if it doesn't come with accel buff of mounts, it's bad
polar grove
but in this case it was actively making bosses easier and it was also extremely easy to pull off
clever canopy
actually, it can trivialize some bosses if you use it right
@polar grove so can a lot of things, that’s the nature of this game
polar grove
the only real mount that actually needs it outside of bosses is the unicorn, and that can have its accel speed buffed in the future if need be
sand umbra
if you tried to remove every way to trivialize bosses you'd end up with an extremely unenjoyable game
polar grove
so an op exploit shouldnt be patched... because its op?
clever canopy
Maybe calamity should balance it’s own mounts against vanilla mechanics rather than changing vanilla mechanics to suit their mounts
cobalt pewter
if you tried to remove every way to trivialize bosses you'd end up with an extremely unenjoyable game
@sand umbra tell that to anti butcher
sand umbra
tell me again how dashmounting is OP
considering the only mount worth using it on is garbage otherwise
polar grove
it allows you to outrun quite a few of the endgame bosses by a ridiculous margin
making actually dodging them kinda obsolete
clever canopy
so an op exploit shouldnt be patched... because its op?
@polar grove where are you getting this from? Lol
sand umbra
yeah okay
what bosses are you allowed to outrun with your oh-so-powerful dashmounting, and with what mounts
cobalt pewter
Again, I'm not against the change per se, but if they're not buffing the damn mount's accel, it's a bad change
polar grove
like for example with the bean you could just dash and go from one side of the arena to the other in less than half a second
clever canopy
Then change bean
sand umbra
can't wait for someone to suggest that bean fall speed gets nerfed
cobalt pewter
n o
polar grove
heh
sand umbra
because I want to remind you that bean literally converts Yharon from a hella intimidating endgame boss to yeah I can outspeed that easily
polar grove
uh also i think the shadow dragon gets a quite huge amount of speed and you can just outrun a ton of bosses with that
sand umbra
you think?
polar grove
same deal with the unicorn mount
cobalt pewter
hollow shell
"You was talkin all that good shit a second ago"
polar grove
im giving you the facts 
sand umbra
no, you're giving me vague information that doesn't really prove your point
it's stuff to look into, but you have yet to state anything concrete which actually proves that dashmounting is a sufficiently large problem
there is one mount anyone's going to use it with and said mount is infinitely worse otherwise because it accelerates at the speed of a snail
polar grove
bean trivializes yharon with dash-mounting, shadow dragon and unicorn let you make old duke a joke, same thing with dog,
clever canopy
This is like if one gun made the fight against ravager too easy the devs halved the damage of every single gun
polar grove
all the mechs can be completely countered by dashmounting because they cant go as fast as you can
hollow shell
Ah yes using Shadow Dragon for Old Duke
sand umbra
bean trivializes yharon without dash-mounting
Shadow Dragon is a Darksun craft and thus I see no reason to be testing that against anything other than full Yharon and SCal
Unicorn is outrun by both OD and DoG, or at least most definitely by the latter
clever canopy
Just solve the specific problems don’t nerf every mount
sand umbra
(and even if Unicorn wasn't outrun by OD, you are not given sufficient space to use it)
clever canopy
Yknow what frostspark boots let the player outrun WoF we should probably nerf the max speed to 20mph cause they just trivialise that fight
sand umbra
clever canopy
Also platforms trivialise the desert scourge we should probs make the player unable to stand on platforms at any point throughout the game
hollow shell
Do we think Lily's suggestion is valid?
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/699359022364491868/739129918511775784
wooden wedge
I don't know why it'd just be from #help-advice-read-pins to #other-mod-talk
that part doesn't really make sense to me, why it'd just be one way only
cobalt pewter
Because yes
golden narwhal
That could get potentially annoying if they weren't discussing other mods but mentioned the mod (e.g. 'oh, X item is from thorium)
wooden wedge
and their reason is kinda yeah like that ^
I don't see how it would pick up these things and redirect them with accuracy and context
hollow shell
hm
Their reason is specific to just situations where help chat derails into other mod talk
I haven't been in help channel for any extended period of time so I spose I cannot attest to that
but, if anybody agrees with Lily, they can star it
ashen warren
do I have to spoiler tag spoilers
hollow shell
Yeah, would be best to
polar grove
wouldnt it just be better if it just had the "supercharged" effect a thing the accessory does?
be a thing*
ashen warren
||supercharged wulfrum enemies drop energy cores||
sand umbra
||tbf Wulfrum armor on the whole never has been particularly viable, simply because the bonuses it grants aren't large enough to matter at the point in the game you get it||
hollow shell
||His sugg pertains mostly to the obtainment of Energy Cores||
polar grove
yeah have that just be a passive effect of the accessory
ashen warren
if it had infinite uses it might be too good
sand umbra
||that, and the fact that for the longest time DS lacked any resists so it just sorta died (and still does in Normal lole)||
polar grove
||i see a lot of people complaining about the energy cores so i guess more ways to get them would be fine||
ashen warren
or perhaps the item should ||give you an aura around you similar to the wulfrum pylon's aura that lasts for a minute or so||
||almost like a potion||
should I change sugg to say that
violet dagger
Ye
ashen warren
idk
sand umbra
except not yet because slowmode says no
polar grove
yeah summons targetting a beneficial enemy is so borked, i wish that was a thing across the entire game
or just passive enemies
hollow shell
It should pick em up Thomas
whole sedge
Yeah I don't see why the bot wouldn't pick up spoilered suggs when it does just fine with bold and such
hollow shell
ye it picked up a this the other day so spoilers are definitely fine
ashen warren
Oh god please don't ever accept that let mount dashing
hollow shell
(hope people are still on)
Is AquaNathan's dart sugg fine?
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/699359022364491868/739159582487609344
woeful lantern
yes
golden narwhal
Ye, seems good
zenith hazel
so basically the resprite was pointless
hollow idol
just add eyelashes and call it a day
frail mantle
how does this look more feminine than the resprite
ashen warren
hollow idol
I can see both as female
tawny garden
@void marsh your sugg is a don't
hollow idol
Its not a quality resprite sug
tawny garden
all """"""""""poor quality"""""""""" objections go to the art server
hollow idol
the sug is for the design and not "Sprite look bad and outdated, pls update"
||Speaking of new Levi, now that it's out I can finally suggest her getting a custom roar ||
carmine sphinx
Also why would it matter if she doesnt look feminine
Just look at an angler fish male female comparison
hollow shell
@void marsh The old sprite looked feminine to you?
void marsh
honestly, it kinda did
hollow shell
You sure that's not just cuz you're used to it and associating that sprite with a female character?
robust lava
The sugg does say "you made it worse", which could imply it's quality based, and not design based
hollow shell
Yeah it's a bit uhh
disrespectful/dismissive
to say that the whole sprite is worse because of a vague and highly subjective opinion
edgy sundial
frankly, leviathan needs lipstick, otherwise i don't think i'll be able to play calamity ever again. my sea monsters must be clearly female dangit!
tawny garden
hollow shell
m
anyway w/e I gotta sleep soon so approve many things I must
Is Leaper's sugg valid?
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/699359022364491868/739163933583081542
tawny garden
it seems to me that the sugg takes the name as a reference where there isn't one
hollow shell
It's possible.
But y'see, if we do change the name, then it will be a reference
tawny garden
ah, fair point
ashen warren
no because
afaik it is gelitic blade to reference celtic blade
and also
gelatin
hollow shell
(fake word tho)
tawny garden
the word is nonexistent irl
hollow shell
also if it really is supposed to be gelatin + celtic then the double-reference got stretched so thin that I've never heard it referred to as a reference to either until today
.. yeah it's fine. Might not get a lot of stars but that's okay, we've got a surplus anyhow 
woeful lantern
Would this also affect normal meteor?
hollow shell
Not a bug as much as it is a behavioral quirk
robust lava
It's not a bug imo cause that's how vanilla meteors work
So this would be a change to deviate astral meteors from vanilla behaviour, rather than correcting them
tawny garden
Rover, are the spawning criteria of both meteors controlled by the same code?
robust lava
(To sneak in and answer this question) I think the answer is mostly the same code. Ozzatron recently changed the bugs doc to say they follow most of the same rules
tawny garden
ah
woeful lantern
Platforms need nerf
hollow shell
It's not literally the same code. Calamity has its own version in its source
We could adjust them separately
tawny garden
right, that would make sense
robust lava
Sorry, I should have said "the same rules", not same code
cobalt pewter
Idk what to say about the last sugg
Aren't female beasts usually fiercer than males?
golden narwhal
In some cases, yea
hollow shell
In angler fishes specifically (which Levi is loosely based on) the females are the large ones with the scary mouths and the glowlights
the males are little spermy small things that just kinda stick onto the females
(which is what Aquatic Aberrations are kinda supposed to be)
ashen warren
Nice, it says not to suggest sprite changes or so
Aand as Rover said if you knew fishes you'd knew its feminine
frail mantle
you can suggest sprite changes, you just can't go "sprite bad please change wahhhh"
i wouldn't say this one is "sprite bad please change wahhhh", but sprite suggs in general tend to be pretty uncommon and a bit frowned upon cause they're usually pretty subjective
subtle oracle
They tend to delve close to that SIS territory id say, not SIS explicitly byea
just post your sprites in art.,..,,
hollow shell
(I could argue that this is worse than a quality-based resprite sugg cuz it's asking for the sprite to be worse in order to fulfill something wholly subjective and abstract)
@void marsh Can you at least elaborate on your sugg's reasoning to explain why you think the old one was more feminine and current is more masculine?
(if it really is 100% subjective POV opinion then you may not wanna keep that sugg up)
void marsh
to be honest, it is harder to say why the old sprite looks more feminine. to me, it just does
so, should i just delete the suggestion?
lucid marsh
Some worlds don’t even have forest on the edges of the world. So getting wulfrum armor is way too difficult!
ashen warren
wait really?
void marsh
what about my suggestion?
dry latch
yeah. check the calam mod talk pins for the endgame boss order
ashen warren
oh ok
dry latch
what about my suggestion?
I support it cuz it's funny, I dunno if the other's will agree
hexed spade
it might happen in 1.4 because vanilla added a bunch of toilets that update
golden narwhal
Could have more reasoning like keeping with the auric theme of ueli (+ blood) + cosmi + silva
south flint
yeah it seemed like an oversight to me
tawny garden
also, I've just realized that sugg discush needs a spoiler warning
dry latch
or maybe disallow suggs for new content until the spoiler period is lifted?
south flint
what if it's describing oversights like my suggestion
dry latch
bugs channel probably
dry latch
suggs take a while tho. stuff like the lava thing seems like something that should be hotfixed before people start complaining about missing content cuz of worldgen
also, are there any planned usages for the energy core? they seem to be there just to arbitrarily delay players from making their first class armor. heck, it might even be faster to just kill DS or farm cnidrions for the victide set
tawny garden
something that should be hotfixed before people start complaining
it should be found out and fixed... but it isn't, that's why you need these suggs/bug reports
also devs still need feedback, cause they may've made something which wasn't the best that they could do (don't get me wrong, they did an amazing job)
dry latch
exactly. what I'm saying is that the sugg process takes a while. at least 12 hours before it goes to voting. then prolly at least a day or two before it gets the number of required stars
gray nebula
or we can just look at suggs and show them to the other devs before then
dry latch
so an immediate 🏁 ? seems weird, but I guess that works. you'd prolly find more issues scouring the spoiler-channel tho. not a lot of people take the time to make suggs
gray nebula
no
just like screenshotting it to show the other devs if its important
the devs are people, they can get iideas from suggs and then re sugg it themselves
dry latch
just thought that there might be a more efficient way to go about it. maybe something like a feedback channel that'd serve as quick sugg/bug report channel for any big release. cuz so far, all I'm seeing in the bugs channel are world gen and charging issues. all the feedback in the spoiler channel just gets drowned out by talk about the andromeda or auric toilet
gray nebula
eh
vital ore
i have read the doc, but is it against the rules to suggest adding the extractinator to the list of vanilla craftable items?
vital ore
@weak field spoiler alert?
young torrent
so is my suggestion still valid or whatever
weak field
my bad
Uh, I didn't see why the victide armor has to have that ability
Since you already have ocean crest anyway
tawny garden
ocean crest is expert, so maybe for plebs?
weak field
And the first abyss explore should be after skeletron anyway, at that point you're gonna have aerolite not victide
Gills potion exist philo
tawny garden
but the mod is balanced around rev, and yea
young torrent
yeah
cobalt pewter
I feel like NPCs related to the biomes the unique Arsenals can be hinted by some other NPCs instead
weak field
I just chose amidas because he already has a help option
cobalt pewter
e.g. Archmage for ice Arsenal, Tax Collector for hell Arsenal (since he wandered around hell before purified)
But other Arsenals and the Sunken Sea one can definitely be hinted by Sea King
faint needle
Spoilers much?
weak field
Gonna be honest: never got tax collector in all my calamity playthrough
cobalt pewter
smh not gonna bother spoilering every single piece of conversation on this channel tbh
The sugg itself is already spoilered
faint needle
Bruh
cobalt pewter
Gonna be honest: never got tax collector in all my calamity playthrough
@weak field same, but it's the only NPC in my mind that would make the most sense having hints about the Arsenal in hell
weak field
Maybe traveling merchant and skeleton merchant?
cobalt pewter
Doubt Traveling Merchant can stand the heat
Skeleton Merchant is less convenient, but it works better than Traveling
weak field
Which npc aside, is the suggestion itself good? we can leave the npc part to devs
cobalt pewter
I'm okay with that yes
weak field
Since the wiki is not up to date, I wouldn't have known I need a evil pick to mine ||turrets|| if I didn't ask in the spoiler channel
tawny garden
this channel needs a spoiler warning
vital ore
if u spoiler-hide the suggestion but describe it in detail in this channel it defeats the purpose ._.
faint needle
^
weak field
my bad
tawny garden
if you don't want spoilers, don't go to these channels
cobalt pewter
Yeah, I don't understand how you don't expect spoilers in those channels when update literally just dropped
Isn't this like common sense?
faint needle
No
tawny garden
it should be
cobalt pewter
Man
faint needle
You expect people to have common sense and spoiler shit
cobalt pewter
It is expected for channels related to feedbacks and bugs to include new patch when it just dropped
tawny garden
You expect people to have common sense and not peek into channels where feedback on the update is happening
vital ore
well if it is to be expected then why do ppl bother with spoiler warnings
tawny garden
🤷♂️
cobalt pewter
Most likely because people usually check either #suggestions-voting or #suggestions-posting before this one, and those two are the most prone to spoilers
quick ice
Do y’all think my suggestions valid?
cobalt pewter
Until some sort of spoiler warning for those that don't seem to understand is applied, it will probably be kept this way
Or when rover wakes up
quick ice
Assuming it is since it’s just requesting a simple name change, but I’d like to make sure
quick ice
Imagine wearing a hood that is in fact not a hood 
robust lava
There is a config to lock the bars in place
frail mantle
^
tawny garden
@dense fiber
dense fiber
Yes?
tawny garden
There is a config to lock the bars in place
dense fiber
deadass?
im stupid
100 hours in calamity and i never knew this🤣
Is that part of the new update or has my dumbass not known?
sturdy geyser
that has been a thing for a while
dense fiber
Epic Bruh moment
hollow shell
I arrive
Doesn't seem like Dave's comin to fix the boss name error so do we think it's fine as-is?
#suggestions-posting message
hexed spade
what
gray nebula
dapper coral
boss suggs aren't allowed
hexed spade
tawny garden
@blazing dawn boss suggs are a don't
small talon
No boss suggestions @blazing dawn
hallow kraken
this also breaks like 5 other rules iirc
tawny garden
Specific suggs are a don't
hexed spade
fogbound
blazing dawn
Just wanted to bring out a boss exclusive if you have crossmodding
hallow kraken
might be a good idea to read pins of #suggestions-posting
hexed spade
not might, it is a good/required idea to read the pins
weak field
Breaks way more rules than it looks like