limber ocean
really, it really is a shame that there's not much to be found in there
#suggestions-discussion
vagrant zenith
would be cool if there was something like shadow orbs always hated how hallow doesn't have them
but even just an ichor/crystal/cursed flames equivalent would be cool
tawny garden
causes problems such as my hand hurting
ashen warren
Alright suggestion, very poorly composed
cobalt pewter
@vagrant zenith you can fix that atm by whitelisting the weapon on OmniSwing
But I wouldn't mind the weapon having innate autofire as well
unreal star
tbh i probably should’ve added hallowed mud to my suggestion
robust lava
I feel like if the devs decide to implement that, they would probably take the sensible approach and also implement hallowed mud
dapper coral
i thought something was already planned in regards to expanding the astral underground?
ashen warren
They probably don't know if it is.
tawny garden
not in the #changelogs
ashen warren
I mean changelogs announce what happened only
dapper coral
i mean, not for this update
but just in general
if you search "astral underground" in this channel you'll see that rover's said a couple times that stuff's been planned
sand umbra
it's been confirmed quite a few times that underground Astral things are planned
it's just that we have no idea what those things are 
tawny garden
also it's just that devs should be allowed to post stuff in changelogs
sand umbra
what
tawny garden
not everyone would search this channel for confirmation before posting suggs
and a lot of changes aren't in the changelog
dapper coral
well yeah of course
this is just the one that i remember has been mentioned a bunch here
clever canopy
Maybe a planned content document or channel would help reduce the amount of redundant suggestions?
dapper coral
perhaps, but at the same time i doubt anyone would actually look at it 
clever canopy
That’s true
tawny garden
((just use that GitHub webhook 
))
some planned content info isn't released at all
e.g. Old Duke wasn't
and they want to keep stuff like that a secret, I imagine
hollow shell
Some future plans are not immediate
Underground Astral content, for instance, is not
We wouldn't put em in changelogs cuz they're not in this update
Anyway do we think Leon's crystal sugg is fine?
#suggestions-posting message
wooden wedge
yeah
violet dagger
Yes
frail mantle
fiery rapids
i agree
earnest vine
yep
ashen warren
yes
fiery rapids
the only non wing flight options are the moab and shroomite hoverboard
hollow shell
Well, the latter is still wings
cobalt pewter
Hoverboard is still wings yes
fiery rapids
oh
cobalt pewter
Though not exactly wings visually
But it mechanically works like one
With added hover
fiery rapids
ah
hollow shell
Shadow armor sugg?
#suggestions-posting message
fiery rapids
yep
tawny garden
yea
tawny garden
agergo's sugg that you worked on so hard died
hollow shell
Everybody hated it and it was still specific
I didn't wanna deal with him paring down the sugg bit-by-bit so fuck it
ashen warren
Damn my suggestion died at 154 votes 
tawny garden
although yeah, isn't a huge loss
gloomy musk
perhaps
hollow shell
You got about 40 wings and 1 jump god
tawny garden
jump god?
hollow shell
(or 2)
hollow shell
Nah it would just make it more interesting
You already have those options
But you only have those options
slow sphinx
Is it just me or did the chance for the Ancient Ice Chunk drop decrease, but the chance for Ice Claspers go up?
hollow shell
I blame luck.
(irl luck, not the stat)
ashen warren
Lol tbh I got like 4 ice chunks from 5 ice claspers but they came in the span of 1 hour
tawny garden
(darn, in 1.4 you will have to blame luck twice)
slow sphinx
Yes, 6/7 ice claspers, still no ice chunks
fiery rapids
will calamity do change anything about luck?
tawny garden
probably
hollow shell
Dunno
slow sphinx
This may be in a different mod, but isn't there like the sky jump or something?
ashen warren
probably
hollow shell
Different mod yes
slow sphinx
I remember an accessories that is post mech that allows for infinte jumps, which mod is it from?
hollow shell
Don't know but it isn't Calamity
cobalt pewter
This may be in a different mod, but isn't there like the sky jump or something?
@slow sphinx Space Jump from Joost Mod yes
Infinite cloud jumps
slow sphinx
Thanks
cobalt pewter
Yeah Joost Mod has a massive hard on over cacti, Metroid and smth else I forgot
At least joost mod didn't make a dead meme as a boss
But anyway
I feel like Shadow Armor can get a unique dash or smth
slow sphinx
That would make sense, anyways @grim tusk suggestion and @cobalt pewter AlchemistNPC did make a dead meme boss
hollow shell
(what about Storm's suggestion?)
cobalt pewter
Right now Counter Scarf is your only choice of dash until you beaten cryo
Or SoC to a lesser extent
frail mantle
storm's one is good, i'd say
cobalt pewter
But generally scarf is superior
hollow shell
Yeah sure but like
first
Ele Quiver sugg?
#suggestions-posting message
frail mantle
ele quiver is good too, methinks
slow sphinx
I would agree with the idea behind the no contact damage for 3 seconds, though I would change the head to not have contact damage, it's not even supposed to be near you, then again, maybe just have the head teleport?
ashen warren
Honestly yeah, that completely fucked me up whilst fighting SCal on my playthrough
cobalt pewter
Yeah Golem Head should definitely not have a contact dmg since most of its lifespan is circling around you
Unless golem gets a dash or smth
hollow shell
Okay then
cobalt pewter
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
hollow shell
Woozy's lava slime sugg fine?
#suggestions-posting message
ashen warren
Eh I dunno, it makes the gamr harder which is exactly what we want
So its kinda a no from me but you go on whatever you think is the best decision
robust lava
The question is whether it's valid or not, not if it's needed
slow sphinx
I would agree with any mob that when it dies drops lava.
robust lava
I'd say it's good. It doesn't really need much explanation
ashen warren
Green slimes dropping lava 👀
cobalt pewter
Things that are environmentally bad are usually regarded negatively, e.g. ftw prime able to destroy blocks with prime cannon
hollow shell
Clowns, Corruptors
whole sedge
Yeah having lava slimes drop lava everywhere just because they decided to get in my way is usually an annoyance 
cobalt pewter
What's up with the corruptors?
robust lava
They used to spread corruption with their spit
hollow shell
They used to corrupt blocks.
slow sphinx
I would agree with the lava slime suggestion even if it doesn't apply to like the bats, and some other mobs, but that may be a different mod
hollow shell
Hence the name
ashen warren
Yeah, although when it comed to lava slimes dropping lava, you can easily get rid of the lava amd if it does anything, its usually harm you once or so, and then you just basically fix it, making it only damage you
hollow shell
Yeah Xander you're thinkin of something else
slow sphinx
Ok thanks, I have a bit of trouble knowing exactly what is from what mod, because Calamity and other main mods are so large
ashen warren
Yeah I get ya honestly
clever canopy
About 15 mins late but yeah the thought behind my suggestion is that a very large number of people play terraria to get a feeling if gradually powering up, which you don’t have in non-wing movement
hollow shell
It helps to do playthroughs with big mods on their own every once in a while
cobalt pewter
Don't mix content mods.
robust lava
Well, Lava Slimes drop lava in vanilla, so it's not even calamity
cobalt pewter
That's the general rule of thumb of Terraria modded
And yes, lava slimes dropping the lavas exist in vanilla
hollow shell
I'll approve then
clever canopy
Kinda wish modded terraria had the same level of configuration as modded minecraft, that way we would be able to balance multiple content mods together
hollow shell
wdym, like a Terraria Optifine?
cobalt pewter
Especially since redcode bad
hollow shell
Or just
better memory usage
hollow shell
What
clever canopy
Nah optifine is only for graphics, I mean intertwining content together like with craft tweaker where you can change recipes
wooden wedge
you can do that though
hollow shell
You can change and add recipes with tMod
clever canopy
Then there’s others which allow you to alter mobs health, even ones which let you change it as the player progresses
Only with a mod though
hollow shell
(Calamity changes the recipes for Terra Blade and Fire Gauntlet)
clever canopy
In minecraft you can do it with scripts
So it’s a lot easier for a layman like myself to balance multiple large mods together
hollow shell
I see
clever canopy
Like the ‘code’ to add a recipe is just recipes.addShaped(output item, [input items as string]);
No building or dev environment required
hollow shell
I've never made a mod (or script?) for either Terraria or Minecraft so I couldn't tell you if there was an equally quick and easy way
clever canopy
Tbh it’s less about it being quick as it is about it’s simplicity, you need no previous experience with any form of code to do it
earnest vine
minecraft is very modular, makes sense its that easy but im not sure about terraria, but either way its forge (most commonly) or tmod that makes that stuff most of the time, not the base game
craggy stratus
does dryad sells bloody worm food, after you kill brain of cthulhu
and brain can be summoned using bloody spine sold by dryad
hollow shell
Nope.
craggy stratus
interesting
hollow shell
She sells Bloody Worm Food after Perfs. Sells Teratoma after Hive Mind.
Both Worm Food and Bloody Spine are after either evil boss regardless of your world evil, but that's just cuz of the way evil bosses are coded (they use the same "dead" boolean)
hollow shell
It's fine yeah
craggy stratus
yup
clever canopy
You can use the blocks from the evil island to fight the alternate evil boss
radiant meadow
Lava slime sugg should be a blue check #suggestions-voting message
hollow shell
Gotcha
tawny garden
tawny garden
(oh it got removed fast)
when is the star requirement going to be raised?
cause if we continue with 170, soon 100% of suggs will be delivered
earnest vine
yeah with 26k people online, its probably a good idea
gray nebula
next thing youll know were gonna be implementing suggestions : battle royale
only the best suggestions of the week get to make it in
gusty geode
Regarding the Lava Slime thing
I'm willing to stick up to defend it
Imo a good challenge is one that remains a challenge regardless of your skill level
No matter how good you are at the game, you've still gotta watch out for the lava block and take the proper precautions to deal with it
Also it makes lava infinitely renewable so there's that
gray nebula
thats not a challenge thats an annoyance though
oo aa challenging gotta just rebuild your bridge constantly
tawny garden
or use planter boxes
gray nebula
yeah or that
theres a difference between something thats challenging and something thats annoying
gusty geode
Or don't use wood
Yeah, planter boxes
But you've also got plenty of obsidian around you
Could use Dungeon Brick, plenty of ways to get a lot of that
Hell, you could even use dirt and just have one-block wide drains spaced out across it to get rid of the lava
It's kinda like the death mode weather changes
You're gonna have to watch out for it regardless of where you are in progression or how good at the game you are
But there are plenty of precautions you can take to make it easier to deal with
ashen warren
wouldnt it be better to have both evils in the world
gray nebula
install fargo's both evils
ashen warren
for the worthy seed already did that so its possible
gray nebula
gusty geode
A) Evil Island B) mods C) 1.4 has the Dryad sell the opposite evil seed in Graveyards D) I still dislike that concept because then what's the point of having two at all
hollow shell
(I do think there's something to like about having full biome exclusivity per world but people like their options)
ashen warren
i think the dryad should sell the perf summon after hivemind is defeated and vice versa
only problem is theres no crimson in the world to summon perf
or hm
gray nebula
(((Evil island)))
gusty geode
^
gray nebula
((((there is a floating island that generates with the opposite world evil you have))))
ashen warren
evil planet
gray nebula
grab the materials from there to make your own artificial biome
gusty geode
Speaking of which
Would a sugg to make a toggle for the evil island be ok
For people who wanna have only one evil to work with and don't want the temptation of the evil island
ashen warren
do not neglect the evil solutions that the steampunker must sell
hollow shell
Sure why not
gusty geode
On that note
Toggles to make the difficulty modes toggleable between being toggleable themselves and one-use permanent would also be handy for people who want the challenge
gray nebula
are people really this bad at restraining themselves from stuff like that
hollow shell
wdym Bad
gray nebula
youre just gonna shift the temptation from using the island to using the config 
ashen warren
you mean toggling revengeance and death mode in the configs?
hollow shell
Well not after you already gen the world
gusty geode
Adding a toggle to make it so the difficulty items disappear from your inventory on use and aren't craftable
So you can't turn them back off without cheating
hollow shell
I guess that'd be fine too yeah
gray nebula
im still not getting the point, if you assume someone is gonna eventually cheat by turning the difficulty off, they could just disable the config and then disable it
hollow shell
Not if they don't have an item to do that with
gusty geode
^
hollow shell
read: "disappear from your inventory "
hollow shell
Make the config also disable the recipes
and yeah but that's a lot more steps than just using the item again
It'd be a commitment to go back
gusty geode
^
gray nebula
like imagine woah im getting completelty pissed at a boss really i cant deal with it anymore its bullshit itsz the mods fault its cheap kills
im prolly gonna go disable it quickly
even if it needs some more steps
hollow shell
Sure
gusty geode
It'll still take longer, giving you more time to think about it
gray nebula
if youre already willing to "cheat" i dont really see why extra steps would really put you off from doing so
hollow shell
Because atm it isn't cheating, the option's right there in your face
gusty geode
It's the spirit of the idea that's important here
I realize that's a concept this mod doesn't expect its players to understand but still
No offense there 
gray nebula
i find it too "niche" to be worth idk
itd only be used by people that want a challenge and have enough self respect/idk to not want to cheat at all costs but also doubt in their abilities to not cheat
ashen warren
if they want a challenge they wouldnt "cheat" to begin with
but if they do, then its all on them
gusty geode
Yeah, this is to try and prevent players from backing out on a dime when their salt gets the better of them
It forces them to put time and effort into backing out so they have to really think about it
gray nebula
not sure the small time that would be needed to log out disable config reload mods go back to your world craft a new difficulty item would be big enough to really prevent people from cheating if they were determined to
hollow shell
(it would be enough time imo)
gusty geode
That's at least a good 30 seconds
formal cobalt
It's only 30 seconds if you don't have a lot of mods
gray nebula
idk if im angy at smth id probably just get mad and try to speedrun that because of spite
formal cobalt
It's a lot longer if you have more than like 20
hollow shell
Currently you grab the item and click once
If that whole process was what was needed to back out, you wouldn't do it on a whim
gray nebula
angy
formal cobalt
And idk about others, but usually if I reload the calamity mod, my game crashes.
gray nebula
well if you're this attached to your "integrity" you probably would have trahsed the difficulty item yourself
so youd still have to craft a new one
formal cobalt
Forcing me to relaunch the game in order to reload the mod
formal cobalt
wouldn't doubt it
gray nebula
formal cobalt
I have 16 gigs of ram, it's just the fact that TMod isn't using it
tawny garden
I also had reloading problems... this ain't #bugs-read-pins
hollow shell
(I imagine it like procrastination / work motivation where you can have the foresight and initial willpower to go to another room to study versus being in the same room as your gaming PC and resisting the urge the whole time)
(but, maybe that's a bit lame of me to say)
gray nebula
mhjhmhhh
i still dont fully get it but i guess theres some people that really do care about theiir honor or stuff
it might just be weird for a majority of people to see this confiig
formal cobalt
I'd say if they add a config option for it, it would have to be switched to One Use by default
gray nebula
((please no))
gusty geode
I mean
This mod already forces a lot of concepts onto the player that change how they have to approach things
And those ones aren't toggleable
gray nebula
oh haha you misclicked on armageddon? gonna have to come back to the config and change it and re craft it
tawny garden
the rev item was switched in the past for that, and it's the only one of them that should be one-use imo
formal cobalt
although they are changing that
gusty geode
I mean
Some people may be crazy and wanna play through with Arma, Defiled or Iron Heart on
gray nebula
iirc you cant activate/deactivate it after the first minute of gameplay or after beating a boss i forgot
iron heart will get reworked anyways
gusty geode
I would suggest separate toggles for every specific mode in that case
But that may be a little excessive
Maybe one for Rev/Death, one for Arma/Defiled and one for Iron Heart?
gray nebula
boh beh bah
formal cobalt
they changed that though. It's just the same as rev and the other toggles now
gray nebula
oh it got changed?
formal cobalt
yeah, I believe
gray nebula
thats the only one id say is weird but even then its just more freedom and thats always good
ashen warren
why does iron heart exist when we already have hardcore
gray nebula
if you end up having a good run and a character you ended up attached about and get too tired of the pressure you can just turn it back to a normal playthrough
gusty geode
I like to call it "hardcore for cowards"
Same concept
But only when you wanna risk dying
gray nebula
same for rev and the other stuff, not everyone may realise the challenges that come with it and letting people lower the difficulty is better 👍
tawny garden
why does iron heart exist when we already have hardcore
Fab thought that it was weird and wanted to change it so it doesn't kill you for a single mistake
but next update it's changed to be completely different iirc
gray nebula
ye
gusty geode
Fair enough
In that case it could be lumped in with Arma/Defiled and share a toggle with them
tawny garden
((oop, merg released a video))
hollow shell
Iron Heart is indeed completely reworked
gusty geode
There we go
Anything else to address?
I'd also wanted to make the Evil Island generating toggleable for similar reasons but wasn't sure if it was related enough to be in the same sugg
hollow shell
Def should not be in the same sugg imo
gusty geode
Got it
Anything you want changed about this one or is it good?
hollow shell
I think this is fine
gusty geode
Aight
ashen warren
- Who tf builds bridges for WoF with wood
- A lava slime's feature to drop lava upon death's entire purpose is to annoy the person, so that is a big nono suggestion to me.
sturdy geyser
I would consider replacing it with some non-destructive, damaging fire
sinful steeple
That's kinda the reason for the sugg? Why would a feature be in game if it only serves as an annoyance
radiant merlin
someone link crabbar's planter boxes video again please
sinful steeple
That video was literally a joke if you unironically do that you'll go bankrupt
ashen warren
Well annoying, aka making it harder in a way you dislike it, the thing entire difficulties are based on
radiant merlin
You can easily farm gold with armageddon and desert scourge.
sinful steeple
Difficulty ≠ annoyance
ashen warren
Oh well whatever you go with your opinion and I'll go with my own, ain't got time for shit like that.
sinful steeple
A game is supposed to be fun, not irritating
ashen warren
I'll just say that it's a bad suggestion.
dapper coral
if you don't like it, don't star it. there isn't really a point in discussing stuff in voting because it's already there imo
unkempt bolt
the channel is mostly used to give feedback on suggestions, which is pointless when the suggestion can’t be changed
gusty geode
While a game shouldn't be nothing but irratations (unless that's the point) it also shouldn't bow to the player at all times and never give them real trouble (again, unless that's the point)
Stuff like the lava slime thing works as an inconvenience to keep you on your toes even if you know how to deal with it
Stuff like that often comes as an annoyance simply because there's no way to truly overcome it
You'll always have that thorn in your side no matter how strong you get
Stuff like that helps to humble the player, make sure they don't feel totally unstoppable
unkempt bolt
things can be difficult without being annoying
frail mantle
you're still allowed to discuss suggestions in voting, though there's not much point since they can't be edited
gusty geode
But can they stay difficult?
unkempt bolt
there’s ways to circumvent the lava slime thing, which is what makes it annoying
you just need to go a bit out of your way to eliminate the issue
so it’s either annoying or pointless
sinful steeple
Honestly the most threatening thing a lava slime does is waste your time, the lava really isn't a threat
unkempt bolt
breaking my platforms isn’t difficulty
sinful steeple
It just takes a bit to go away especially if you're using a tile hellbridge
unkempt bolt
it’s just an extra bit of time i need to spend before a wof fight to patch holes
that’s just annoying
sinful steeple
Lava slimes would be more dangerous and less annoying if they exploded into a shower of embers instead of lava for example
gusty geode
Keeping it as harmless as you can is as easy as having a tile bridge with drains here and there
unkempt bolt
i thought you said it was supposed to stay difficult
gusty geode
Yeah
You should be able to take measures to limit its danger
But this kinda danger can't be fully eliminated
Only limited
unkempt bolt
there is no danger
sinful steeple
The very remote example that a lava slime's lava would be anything more than an irritation is if it somehow managed to hit a dropped voodoo doll which I've only seen happen once
unkempt bolt
there’s only danger if you somehow don’t understand that lava can be drained
otherwise it’s just an annoyance
or if your strategy for killing enemies is holding the D key and never letting go
sinful steeple
I can't think of anything else bad it can do other than waste your time and break pots and money inside hell houses
Which both of those are just annoyances
ashen warren
you can always use royal gel if expert+ while you're building a bridge
gusty geode
Also true
gusty geode
My point is tho
Inconveniences aren't always a bad thing
You should still have something to watch out for
Even if not watching out for it just leads to a minor annoyance
unkempt bolt
what’s the point though
sinful steeple
Lava slimes should explode into projectiles, not lava that's only purpose is to annoy you
unkempt bolt
is the end goal just to be annoying?
it doesn’t “keep me on my toes”
because your options are kill the slime, run away, wear royal jelly
none of which are particularly interesting
gusty geode
It's still more than just blasting anything that comes on screen without consequence
ashen warren
i've killed the enemy, why would i have to get punished by doing so
short kiln
Ugh, Lava Slimes
hollow shell
Let's not keep arguing pls
short kiln
I usually just make my hellbridges out of blocks for that reason
gusty geode
Variety
To put it simply
Shake things up a bit
But fine
tawny garden
Why do people delete suggs when people point out how they should be improved
hexed spade
i think they clicked enter instead of enter shift
and instead of finishing it from there they deleted it
hexed spade
needs a bit more reasoning imo but don't delete it again
well i guess it does not need more reasoning it just looks small
earnest vine
yeah
sturdy geyser
good
keen knoll
idk, I just thought it might be an interesting concept so I posted it
gray nebula
wacky fact is that most of ur suggestion is already planned
tawny garden
it's gonna be under the abyss?
radiant merlin
It already generates close to it i think
formal cobalt
@radiant merlin The Crag always generates on the left side, while the Abyss generates on the dungeon side, which can be on the right.
radiant merlin
I'm dumb and forgot that it isn't always left-dungeon.
craggy stratus
wait, rogue doesnt have a station like other class?
wooden wedge
no
craggy stratus
huh, interesting
wooden wedge
been sugged a lot actually
gray nebula
I think yes
ashen warren
Sounds neat
violet dagger
Uh isn't this a don't
tawny garden
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/721553183767396372 this is kind of similar, but a bit more specifc
Uh isn't this a don't
no
violet dagger
Wording kinda threw me off
tawny garden
it's not about combining them
unreal star
my suggestion about corrupted mud got 170 stars!
hollow shell
cool
unreal star
so now it gets passed on to the mod team?
hollow shell
Yeah
unreal star
epic
hollow shell
(eventually. Dev usually goes through and delivers the 170+ suggs every few days give-or-take)
unreal star
alright
radiant meadow
it gets passed on to the dev team, not the mod team
tawny garden
so, is the last one a ☑️?
hollow shell
(prolly meant 'mod' as in Calamity mod, Ben)
And uhh I don't think so?
Lemme check
tawny garden
ah
polar grove
honestly inventory clutter is 90% of the reason why i dont use lore items
if they were toggleables i would use them way more
tawny garden
I completely misunderstood the point
Part of the balance of the lore items is that they take up inventory space.
— the don'ts doc
hollow shell
That Don't was written before lore items got downsides
So I don't know if it should exist anymore?
tawny garden
either that is removed from the doc
or this is removed from the posting
I think that should be removed from the doc
hollow shell
byeah that'd make more sense
polar grove
the lore item dont is no longer in the doc
hollow shell
It is still there
polar grove
why aint it showing in my ctrl+f then?
hollow shell
Scroll down I guess, maybe your page didn't load
tawny garden
you gotta load the whole doc
polar grove
oh wait there it is
radiant meadow
google docs take several seconds to load completely
hollow shell
(or you have something like "match case" or "whole word" enabled on your ctrl-f)
aight
hollow shell
I'll remove it, it doesn't really apply anymore
polar grove
actually this sugg reminds me of stuff like the luiafk buff menu
tawny garden
fuck, had a chance of prt sc
polar grove
i wonder if thats how it would be implemented if the sugg ever gets put in
craggy stratus
hasnt lore toggability been suggested before
hollow shell
(prt sc?)
hollow shell
Well, probably a long time ago, pre-Don't
tawny garden
screenshot
hollow shell
ah
hollow shell
Thanks
tawny garden
should just be
- Combining the lore items
formal cobalt
Thorough testing was done to make sure everything I said in that suggestion was correct.
polar grove
seems reasonable
plush iron
My stealth suggestion hit 170. Awesome.
earnest vine
nice
hollow shell
Do we think Alexaa's config sugg is fine?
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/699359022364491868/738655308091752479
violet dagger
yes
golden narwhal
Looks alright
formal cobalt
I had thought they already did that, but it turns out I just misread a change in the changelog.
hollow shell
aight
Riri's Astral Underground sugg?
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/699359022364491868/738726565256626176
hollow shell
(it'll happen at some point in the future but it's fine to suggest it now)
violet dagger
~~also more reason to go down there because the music is 
~~
mental violet
To whoever suggested the lava slimes not dropping lava.
They only drop lava in expert mode, and you could always just made the bride out of something lava immune.
Like obsidian brick or obsidian brick platforms.
hollow shell
Lotta people still make their hellbridge out of wood platforms because that's the resource they have the most of
(I know I do)
It'll crank up hellbridge construction time even more if you need to stock up on obsidian brick beforehand
violet dagger
I just use the insta obi bridge from fargos
very easy to make
and a lot less pain
hollow shell
Ah, I only know of the one from Luiafk
which is quite expensive and I'm not sure if you can even make an obsidian bridge without upgrading it first
violet dagger
or just crabbar it with planter boses
the fargos one is consumable which is probably why it costs less
hollow shell
Makes sense
violet dagger
since tbh who needs more than 1 bridge(unless ur playing emode and such is required)
hexed spade
hollow shell
Yeah this sounds pretty reasonable
rose jewel
Yeah I hate portal gunning the steampunker it gets annoying
formal cobalt
I'm actually surprised I haven't tried using a portal gun
hexed spade
i normally just make a new house
rose jewel
Do you think the suggestion needs to be changed or no
rose jewel
K imma get off
hollow shell
Mushroom biome.
cobalt pewter
Deep Blue is for shroom
ashen warren
Ooh
i see
I forgot
I was thinking abyss for a second even though that makes no sense
lol
cobalt pewter
lmao abyss can't be spread like that 
It's only based on a predetermined area, so you can't even expand it
waxen pine
i've never had any trouble getting a cyst to spawn to fight the perfs/hivemind.. not sure if this is really necessary imo
hollow shell
I have also not had a problem in my personal experience
covert siren
Feedza I literally just posted that today
hollow shell
Nah, read closer
hollow shell
s'aight
cobalt pewter
My general problem is usually with DaD
Cysts wouldn't be much problem if you beat the respective bosses first try
radiant meadow
We usually don't cater to armageddon reasons.
hollow shell
Hang on this may be a result of wiki error
golden narwhal
Maybe see the rework next update?
hollow shell
You're thinking of Deus
golden narwhal
OH
Aureus is more noticeable
Think he always shoots three waves of astral crystals
hollow shell
Yeah
Anything that he does that's health-based will always occur, from the start of the fight
(including speed boosts and such)
steep crown
Its not mentioned on the wiki, There nothing talking about Death mode on his page
golden narwhal
So, uh, ?
hollow shell
It could be argued that he doesn't have any new behaviors?
But iirc this is standard fare for all Calamity bosses in Death Mode
Start and stay in the final phase
golden narwhal
It is, yea
gusty geode
Uh
Mind me asking why my sugg hasn't been sent to voting yet?
hollow shell
We usually wait 12 hours as a rule of thumb, so everybody has a chance to see it and give feedback.
Speaking of which, is Santa's Borealis sugg aight?
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/699359022364491868/738766373899075705
fervent zealot
seems fine yeah
hollow shell
Yep.
Rejected, but, that's fine
golden narwhal
Ok, cool
ashen warren
i mean theres no reason not to do it
But its not hurting anything for them to be dropped by the bosses, is it?
its just a little simpler this way
hollow shell
Tis a minor suggestion yeah but it's fine
steep crown
Good cause I got to go and don't want to be a ditcher
hollow shell
(slightly early but)
We think Woozy's sugg is fine?
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/699359022364491868/738843931571388457
cobalt pewter
Yeah
Evil loot swaps should be a thing
tbh
Which is why I fucking love imkSushi
golden narwhal
It's valid
ashen warren
The one for vanilla changes being toggleable is the stupidest thing ever as mods are literally here to change vanilla, now he wants vanilla back
dapper coral
again, don't star it if you don't like it. no need to hate on people for their suggs
especially as it's already in voting, and it's not leaving there
ashen warren
Oh sorry I thought this was for opinions
dapper coral
opinions, sure. but please don't attack people for their suggestions, especially when there's no point in doing so
modern ermine
They should a a Biome for the Leviathan And even add like the part were her back half gets cut off
I mean i think more biomes would be neat
KInda like the abyss except its perfectly still
Only the siren lure being there
frail mantle
she doesn't have her back cut off this update
modern ermine
What!?!?!
frail mantle
hollow shell
m, additionally, you can't suggest new biomes cuz that's a lot of effort on the devs' part
frail mantle
yes that happens sometimes
modern ermine
i dont read it
hollow shell
lol
sand umbra
yeah don't worry that happens every other week
modern ermine
i just trash it in game
hollow shell
Neither do I a lot of the time :P
sand umbra
Cal lore is not known for staying in one state for long
"nor is it known for connnecting to the game"...is what I would say if Rust and Dust wasn't on the brink of existing
modern ermine
using part of the Levi could make a great Wyvern REsprite
modern ermine
yeah
sand umbra
l o n g e
modern ermine
and white
Also whats up with eidolon tablet
I got it from the chest in void
is that me just unlucky or.....
hollow shell
wdym?
I think you're mistaken on something or other cuz Eidolon Tablet isn't in any chests, it's a drop
ashen warren
I personally don't like the siren resprite, assuming that up there is it
it is good most definitely i just personally dont like it as much
Also
Oops offtopic
tawny garden
it's also not called the Siren anymore
tawny garden
byeah offtopic
woven whale
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/225030931008847874/729747240905867274/LeviathanResprite.gif
@frail mantle otherworld leviathan
hollow shell
funnee
hollow shell
We think Fyre's Sun Bat sugg is fine?
#suggestions-posting message
golden narwhal
Ye
quick ice
Sounds good to me
ashen warren
Great sugg
wild fiber
Could additions for Vanilla Items be configurable to disable as well as a toggle for NPC shops selling Apprentice/Journeymen/Master Baits as I felt that was OP as hell? I think a middle ground option could be the baits aren't sold until after Moon Lord.
quick ice
Toggling vanilla NPCs selling certain things seems unnecessary, since unlike changes to somethings stats or effects you’re able to ignore whatever an NPC sells
ashen warren
wouldnt it be interesting if the ocean bione gets overhauled so it can be a huge arena for leviathan and siren underwater
wild fiber
I did remove the recipe for the Temple Key for myself.
ashen warren
I honestly feel like the ocean should be alot bigger
mental violet
I thought the lore was already changed?
I know in the old version they were the same creature, but in the lore page on the wiki it has them as two separate.
And I mean when I read the lore page like a few months ago.
ashen warren
calamity ocean update
mental violet
Oh so is it getting updated again?
clever canopy
Wait don’t most sky mobs drop essence of sunlight? Not just sunbats
frail mantle
they drop from sun bats, wyverns, angry nimbi, harpies, sunskaters, shockstorm shuttles, cloud elementals and Golem
so every sky enemy+Golem and sun bats
unkempt bolt
yeah wait why was the sugg passed when it's just blatantly false lul
i guess one of the arguments, that being sun shouldn't be underground is still true but
its a bat
wait the suggestion contradicts itself lul
"the only enemy that drops essence of sunlight" "would make it more consistent with the other enemies that drop essence of sunlight"
unkempt bolt
seems like a pretty complete sentence to me
ashen warren
"Sun bats are the only enemy that drops essence of sun and are located underground."
unkempt bolt
if they're trying to imply they're the only underground enemy to drop essence of sunlight
that's definitely not what the wording implies
ashen warren
that was a weird way to word it
unkempt bolt
~~also golem is an underground enemy ~~
ashen warren
Shhhhh
unkempt bolt
if their issue was that sun bats are the only underground sunlight enemy
then they wouldn't have said "it doesn't make sense thematically for them to be there"
so nobody knows what anyone is saying
unkempt bolt
probably because im confused about what he said
unkempt bolt
why sun underground, why bats in space
unkempt bolt
i mean bats haven't really helped us too much, given the current state of the world lul
hot wind
bats dont give any good drops
polar grove
uh maybe suggesting bots should be added to the donts doc
gray nebula
everyone hates bots anyways and cmon
hexed spade
polar grove
also one that just punts you into other mod talk for even mentioning other mods is kinda a bad idea
vital ore
there already are several bots on this discord, i dont see the harm
polar grove
like what if you're talking about them in relation to calamity?
distant gyro
if bots were to exist then they'd clog the channel more than it may have before and that might be a problem
quick ice
Maybe just
Go to the appropriate channel by being aware of when the conversation doesn’t belong in the channel you’re in
distant gyro
especially if they don't function as intended, somehow
vital ore
there are a lot of people who dont read help channel description, making it very confusing to read the chat at times
polar grove
thats their fault, and there doesnt need to be a bot made for that
vital ore
polar grove
and im not even mentioning how ridiculously annoying it would be, nor how hard it would be to actually make
quick ice
there are a lot of people who dont read help channel description, making it very confusing to read the chat at times
Yeah, people should read channel descriptions or have the common sense to know what’s supposed to be talked about in each channel
gray nebula
automoderation is bad and everyone hates it nayways
example : mee6, seriously who likes getting told to not put too many caps
polar grove
if they dont read the info or even the names of other channels thats their fault, and not the calam devs for not having a bot to deal with that
its just unnecessary
frail mantle
server suggs are allowed
cobalt pewter
Hm, might've read the don'ts wrong
frail mantle
you probably saw the table of contents as saying server suggs are Don'ts when it's actually just the server sugg don'ts category
tawny garden
if only it was possible to drag people from text channel to text channel
oh yeah, that ToC is misleading
radiant meadow
We don't want any bots to directly participate in active moderation.
which none of the current bots do except maybe sugg bot kind of.
vital ore
robust lava
If you were to interpret the TOC as "Server suggestions are disallowed", then Mod suggestions would also be disallowed
violet dagger
Most bots don't work as intended
frail mantle
it's happened before
distant gyro
that screenshot made me realize rover did a funny <><><>
tawny garden
Most bots don't work as intended
hey, the sugg bot's pretty good
distant gyro
bots that track your message in real time and poke at you for saying certain things are weirdchamp
violet dagger
Mee6 be like haha stop spamming in the spam channel
tawny garden
distant gyro
Mee6
radiant meadow
well, they just need to be set up correctly
vital ore
well iirc mee6 for example has a cooldown you can edit for stuff like that, as i mentioned in the suggestion
radiant meadow
The only active moderation bot I would probably trust is MishiBot anyways.
frail mantle
the only problem with sugg bot is that you can't edit a sugg after it's gone to voting if someone points out something that you'd want to edit after it's approved, but that's why valid suggs aren't immediately approved
tawny garden
I'm kind of against being able to edit approved suggs
cobalt pewter
I'm kind of against being able to edit approved suggs
@tawny garden this
tawny garden
cause then approved suggs could become invalid
formal cobalt
In my case, nobody really said my Sun Bat suggestion needed clearer wording until after it got to voting.
cobalt pewter
I'd say just let rover ping the user with the about-to-be-validated sugg
radiant meadow
I think being able to edit it still has more benefits than downsides.
cobalt pewter
So that they can fix things before it's up to voting
radiant meadow
but since the bot is relaying it, it's not really feasible to add an edit function anyways
tawny garden
it is possible
radiant meadow
but is it worth our time
cobalt pewter
No
I'd say what I proposed would be better to minimize that issue
Let them edit before it's validated
hollow shell
We think Squid's sugg is aight?
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/699359022364491868/738861773993672737
weak field
I don't like it, but there's nothing wrong with it
radiant meadow
feels kind of like restricting on player freedoms
but I suppose it doesn't break any rules
tawny garden
it's alright
hollow shell
(Adding an option is a weird way to "restrict" freedoms)
tawny garden
lol
you can choose to restrict yourself
but to be fair, all difficulty modes that were added to Calamity are already a choice
you restrict yourself for challenge
radiant meadow
The point of making them togglable was to increase player freedoms. If you don't want to turn it off, then you can just throw them out after enabling them.
I feel that people feeling the urge to turn it off isn't a problem we should have to deal with. It feels a lot more like the person's problem than the mod's problem.
Creating these extra steps just makes it arbitrarily more tedious.
quick ice
Don’t see why a config should be added when the people can just have the self-control not to turn it off if they want to do a pure Rev/Death run
And yeah it would restrict player freedom
rose jewel
Do you think my clentaminator one is good or should I change anything
tawny garden
that's fair, toggling a toggle is kind of weird
weak field
Besides trying to get rev gear in expert
cobalt pewter
that's fair, toggling a toggle is kind of weird
@tawny garden toggleception
tawny garden
Do you think my clentaminator one is good or should I change anything
you could elaborate more, the reasoning is kind of small, but I think it's alright
cobalt pewter
Why would people turn on rev then off anyway
@weak field I backed out of death/eternity because plantera there is dumb, but there are definitely moments where your self control can broke, just like mine, who ended up with death
hollow shell
I personally approve of the suggestion and would use it in my own playthrough
Making it more difficult for yourself in advance to turn back on a commitment to difficulty sounds like a pretty.. self-explanatory/direct way of making it so you commit to your difficulty
(again, I bring up the procrastination comparison from yesterday. You either go into a different room to study, or you study right in front of your gaming PC and just try to resist the temptation)
cobalt pewter
But yes, personal thing
Ah yes
My college is failing thanks to me in front of my laptop all day and the laziness to do online classes because of mfn corona
But yeah, I'm personally indifferent
I definitely had those moments where my self control can collapse at any minute
weak field
I don't like the suggestion, but as long as rev&death still is in the bag/starting inventory, I'm fine with it
hollow shell
Well yeah of course it'll be, this sugg won't change that regardless of which toggle you pick
weak field
And that's why I play multiplayer
Trying to back out Rev/Death would just make me look like a pussy
weak field
I don't play terraria single player unless trying to mess around with a new mod/update
cobalt pewter
Yeah, I always play my games singleplayer because I have no friends to actually play with me
tawny garden
((I pretty much only play Terraria for the wiki))
cobalt pewter
rip, but anyway
weak field
I would play multiplayer in subnautica if Nitrox wasn't a dick to begin with
cobalt pewter
Sugg is alright, just might be a lil controversial
weak field
^
tawny garden
this is offtopic
hollow shell
aight
untold cargo
who uses darts in calamity
weak field
I don't think I've ever gone out of my way to get darts weapon
hollow shell
Exactly
woeful lantern
there is only one calamity dark weapon lol
hollow shell
That's what his sugg is intending to fix
weak field
Unless it's from cheat sheet
radiant meadow
dart rifle is pretty good
cobalt pewter
Darts
radiant meadow
and dart pistol
cobalt pewter
cring
radiant meadow
charged dart blaster should be good as well
cobalt pewter
Dart weapons got some spicy resprites in vanilla tho
Specifically dart rifle
Like dang
radiant meadow
I can't speak for blowpipe and blowgun
dapper coral
does it count as a subclass though? dart-users, i mean
cobalt pewter
I guess? Idk
tawny garden
it's not a dont
radiant meadow
yes
hollow shell
Imagine only four weapons in your entire playthrough being able to utilize a whole ammo type
radiant meadow
a specific ammo falls under subclass
hollow shell
This does not fit the criteria for being invalid due to Don't tho
cobalt pewter
So stars
tawny garden
"at certain points i progression" != "over the span the entire game"
hollow shell
cuz he's not trying a Dart-only playthrough and got stuck on Yharon
He's saying to expand the class in general so it gets more attention
cobalt pewter
Man star cannon upgrades in Calamity are kinda 
tho
woeful lantern
there are more star based weapons than dart weapons in calamity iirc
radiant meadow
if you got stuck on yharon, that's commendable
hollow shell
tawny garden
hollow shell
He was very persistent :P
cobalt pewter
That's some determination
hollow shell
and yes there are indeed more star weapons in the game than dart weapons
tawny garden
((well, you can beat ML with the star cannon, so...))
hollow shell
Probably just because stars are cooler
tawny garden
⭐
woeful lantern
not the most viable strategy but still doable
radiant meadow
calamity adds 5 weapons that use fallen stars as ammo
woeful lantern
still more than 1
radiant meadow
collectively including vanilla, stars have 6 and darts have 5
1.3 vanilla that is
hollow shell
(and all the dart ones land in Hardmode. Star's present through most of the game)
Does 1.4 just add one more star weapon?
woeful lantern
super star shooter
hollow shell
Or, did it add more, for stars or darts?
radiant meadow
super star shooter
radiant meadow
idk
hollow shell
aight
radiant meadow
I barely know 1.4's new content still
woeful lantern
no new star/dart weapons were added except super star shooter
tawny garden
as ammunition for the Star Cannon and Super Star Shooter.
ashen warren
is there an endless star ammo?
tawny garden
nO
radiant meadow
not in cal or vanilla
hollow shell
Hell no, not in Calamity
ashen warren
bruh
woeful lantern
luiafk
hollow shell
^
radiant meadow
I think Luiafk adds one
violet dagger
ye it does
woeful lantern
luiafk adds an endless version of every ammo so ye
should i also add star based weapons for the suggestion cause thats also a realy small sub class?
tawny garden
that might make it a double sugg
radiant meadow
It's better to keep your suggestion focused on just one thing.
weak field
Let's make it two suggestion
woeful lantern
hmm ok then, just darts. and besides fallen stars have more uses
mana stars and mana consumables
weak field
And who really intentionally take their time to actually farm for fallen stars alone
hollow shell
(You could use Fallen Stars in your suggestion for comparison for how underdeveloped darts are, @woeful lantern)
weak field
It's around 40 stars per night in vanilla iirc
tawny garden
80
weak field
cobalt pewter
@hollow shell 1.4 adds 1 star weapon and none for darts as far as I remember
hollow shell
aight
tawny garden
ah, no, you were right for small worlds, and I was right for large ones @weak field
For each game tick[1], the chance of a Fallen Star spawning is 21/16,800 (0.125%) in small worlds, 32/16,800 (≈0.1905%) in medium worlds, and 42/16,800 (0.25%) in large worlds.[2] Therefore, the average number of Fallen Stars per night is 40.5 in a small world, about 61.71 in a medium world, and 81 in a large world.
cobalt pewter
All the way to prolly golem
woeful lantern
also, 1.4 adds a new meteor shower event making stars way way more common
fiery rapids
Which is stupidly effective
and a pain in the ass to get
weak field
Welp, might as well remember that
40 small, 60 medium (nobody really do medium worlds tbh) and 80 large
woeful lantern
especially in calamity since bosses tend to want bigger arenas
weak field
And if you want to use star ammo based weapons you gotta take several nights off to just farm for stars
There is a semi-automated star farm, but there's no hopper in terraria
unreal star
can you really call darts a sub classs if they have like 4 weapons
tawny garden
it's a sub-sub-class
robust lava
Yes, they’re just an under-utilised sub class
weak field
Gelitic is a real word i think?
hollow shell
That's kind of a stretch
radiant meadow
I'm not sure if there's much substance beyond just reference.
weak field
Also, references alone isn't enough reasoning
hollow shell
also, nope
hexed spade
is that the only thing there
violet dagger
is nobody gonna talk about that second result
hollow shell
There's more but it's all either weird obscure stuff or Calamity-related
so, no, gelitic ain't a word
woeful lantern
updated my suggestion a bit, is it good?
hexed spade
5
woeful lantern
5
dapper coral
5
hollow shell
@weak field lol
frail mantle
i'm assuming that was a mistype
dapper coral
lmao
woeful lantern
Best suggestion i've seen
violet dagger
5
hollow shell
Couldn't. No reasoning.
sturdy geyser
can we add 5 to the mod
violet dagger
:5:
hexed spade
i know rover its a joke
hexed spade
5
weak field
Gelitic sounds like a real word anyway
hollow shell
(you messaged "5" in #suggestions-posting)
hexed spade
woeful lantern
epic
weak field
What???
what just happened? what does this have to do with 5???
hollow shell
You tell us 
weak field
I messaged 5 in #suggestions-posting ?
hollow shell
Ye
hexed spade
yes
hollow shell
just
the good ole number 5
weak field
Probably because my headphone pressed that when I put it down
hollow shell
Prolly
hexed spade
ok lets move on to actual suggestion discussion
weak field
Personally have no memories of it whatsoever
hollow shell
or a cat spontaneously manifested in your room and walked on your keyboard before vanishing
weak field
That's a stretch
sturdy geyser
happens sometimes
hollow shell
Nah I think it's pretty reasonable
Anyway
I don't think renaming it to Geltic would be a good idea cuz I don't think it resembles a Celtic sword any more than it resembles literally any other sword
dapper coral
or a cat spontaneously manifested in your room and walked on your keyboard before vanishing
they really do be doin that
hollow shell
@hazy bluff
hexed spade
yeah it seems obscure
dapper coral
i wouldn't mind a comparison between a celtic sword and the gelitic sprite
woeful lantern
adjective
relating to the Celts or their languages, which constitute a branch of the Indo-European family and include Irish, Scottish Gaelic, Welsh, Breton, Manx, Cornish, and several extinct pre-Roman languages such as Gaulish.
noun
the Celtic language group.
dapper coral
celtic culture isn't that obscure, the celts were -- there we go
hollow shell
No not the word Celtic
The sword style specifically
Most of the images I'm seeing on like just have a slowly tapering blade, only a few have the round extrusion closer to the middle/tip and even then it's subtle
woeful lantern
bone shaped handle
hollow shell
I guess if you.. knew about Celtic swords beforehand and were kinda familiar with em then you could see why this suggestion would make sense?
hazy bluff
I mostly don't know what Gelititc is supposed to mean anyway
hollow shell
Yeah it's just a fake fancy adjective that describes it being made of gel
Actually yknow what @hazy bluff if you can explain why Gelitic Blade resembles a Celtic sword (what design aspects are shared/similar) then I'll give it to you
dry latch
wait it wasn't geltic originally? welp
hollow shell
For all I know it coulda been an intentional reference by BattleBee when he sprited it
(He's currently MIA so we couldn't ask)
dry latch
my life is a lie
tawny garden
MIA?
hollow shell
yeah he's been offline for a while
tawny garden
ah
hazy bluff
So rover, should I make a new suggestion or explain here?
hollow shell
Edit your suggestion's reason to explain it.
hazy bluff
done
hollow shell
Thank you
rose jewel
What should I do to mine or should I leave it
hollow shell
Philo gave you a bit of feedback
(Personally I would also prefer if you used single line-breaks instead of double)
hexed spade
what
fiery grove
so i tried to think of a decent idea
hexed spade
hollow shell
This sounds like a future content suggestion
It pertains to Yharim, who isn't coming for probably over a year
(You're not allowed to make suggestions about future content)
fiery grove
bruh momento #4560
violet dagger
if draedon is next update after rust and dust
that means there's a while
for yharim
fiery grove
did you even read the brackets?
fiery grove
another teacher's/mod's pet.
hollow shell
I'm a dev
hexed spade
fiery grove
god, thats 10 of em thoughtout the servers today.
o
well then sir
its going down
rose jewel
Is mine good or what should I change
violet dagger
frail mantle
he's a dev/basically the suggestions manager
fiery grove
nobody ever likes my ideas, im always limited by the rules.
hollow shell
Nah that's not the issue. It's that you posted.. something that isn't allowed
sturdy geyser
you suggested stuff for future content and gave like no reason for it
hollow shell
Read the Don'ts doc before suggesting
Anyway Catsrule, I think your suggestion is fine
violet dagger
plus most future content is already planned