it doesnt directly but theyre similar words iirc
yeah they're pretty similar
#suggestions-discussion
dapper coral
also what does 99% of fish liking them have to do with the bait power
just so that it's a high number?
dapper coral
tru
fiery rapids
@polar grove i dont know if you know this but summoner's association mod adds an item that stores the last summons you used
fiery rapids
ok just making sure since that seems similar to what you're suggesting
polar grove
yes
radiant meadow
@wooden lance tactical plague engine not teleporting when you are away is fixed next update.
I wasn't aware that midnight sun beacon also had this issue.
Regardless, this counts as a bug.
fiery rapids
thank you
radiant meadow
@gloomy musk sunken crate issue is fixed next update
wooden lance
fair enough
ancient crow
i think the minion problem could be resolved a lot more easily by just shortening the use time on summon weapons, especially the later ones
and i think that's already being done in the next update (don't quote me on that tho)
radiant meadow
midnight sun beacon use time is already hella fast
weak field
That's because of the long summoning animation
radiant meadow
I don't see the issue with it then?
wooden lance
summoning animation with lasers takes an insane amount of time
you fire the summon and get it around 10s later
weak field
It does give a bit extra damage but who really need that
radiant meadow
is there a reason you can't summon them beforehand?
radiant meadow
so just throw a bunch of beacons out and they'll come to you
radiant meadow
just don't start the fight yet then?
radiant meadow
and it's not even 10 seconds
wooden lance
it takes much longer than it should, 10s is arbitrary
tl:dr; make it summon like literally every other summon
radiant meadow
the point was to try and make the minion more unique with a unique spawn animation
radiant meadow
what's the point in spawning both the beacon and the UFO at the same time?
radiant meadow
This just sounds like your being nitpicky, complaining, and rushing into fights to me.
wooden lance
like it laready does
its an unnessecary waste of tim
that can be easily removed
especially for a weapon that could become the new summon meta
radiant meadow
for the new meta, it's getting a nerf
wooden lance
doesnt really need one, not great against yharon
wooden lance
huh
my own experience indicates otherwise, but i am imperfect
im willing to concede that
hollow shell
wait so are they good for SCal?
wooden lance
they are
hollow shell
Won't you be summoning them during the first bullet hell, where there's nothing to attack anyway?
wooden lance
yes, im talking more for yharon
hollow shell
Okay
wooden lance
scal isnt the problem
i understand why it is the way it is, however i believe its not difficult to combine aesthetic with utility
radiant meadow
I can't think of many situations where people just jump straight into a fight right after dying tbh that isn't nohit related.
wooden lance
i dont get why they have to be mutually exclusive
uh, i know that i always jump straight into a fight when i die, nohit or no
tawny garden
I can't think of many situations where people just jump straight into a fight right after dying tbh that isn't nohit related.
if they just wanna beat the damn boss
radiant meadow
well then maybe being hasty isn't going to help with that
wooden lance
some people are more hasty than you and others are, and its important to recognise that when designing something
hell, thats part of the reason speedruns exist and are popular
radiant meadow
in a speedrun, usually you don't die if its to be a good one.
wooden lance
okay, and some people arent quite that good
the point was that some people dont like to wait around
radiant meadow
therefore, they probably shouldn't just rush into fights with impatience. That's what's going to get them killed.
This feels more like a problem with the individual than the weapon.
wooden lance
its not impatience, its going back into the fight while you're still fresh
the weapon should accomodate the individual, especially if the contingent is strong
radiant meadow
if you weren't impatient, you would just wait the 7 seconds.
wooden lance
if you were to die to yharon about 200 times
that would mean 1400 seconds have gone to waste if you use the midnight sun beacon
tawny garden
whoa, that's too much
radiant meadow
if you die to yharon about 200 times, I think there's worse problems than just waiting for the summons
waxen pine
i did death-defiled yharon nohit in 87 
wooden lance
okay, and others have done it in more
tawny garden
(it's called DAD mode)
wooden lance
we know
dapper coral
the game isn't balanced around nohitting though
it's balanced around regular play
and i assume you won't die to yharon more than 10 times in a row
if that
wooden lance
the game should still accomodate nohitting in its mechanics
thats part of being a sandbox
fervent zealot
i mean
radiant meadow
Sometimes I wonder if making summon weapon use time scaling w/ progression was a good idea >.<
fervent zealot
quick math tells me that if you somehow took a whopping 2000 attempts to beat yharon, you'd have spent 4 hours about waiting for the summon, which is
wooden lance
it should be faster across the board, to be fair
wooden lance
again, thats time you could have spent fighting the boss
radiant meadow
it already is hella fast by post moon lord - elemental axes which is fixed next update
hollow shell
We're all talking about the suggestion that's already in Voting, right?
hollow shell
Do we need to be?
radiant meadow
Are we not allowed to discuss stuff in there?
wooden lance
i think its a healthy discussion
nobodys feelings are being hurt, unless they are and i dont know it
hollow shell
You can, there's just not much point
You can see if people agree with Spicy when the stars come in
tawny garden
you know who started the discussion?
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/465195069406707722/738192614687375391
wooden lance
i agree that there isnt much in the way of a point
hollow shell
pf
wooden lance
it doesnt matter who started it
radiant meadow
it was my response to the above message
about summon use times
and I remember midnight sun beacon sugg being a thing
fervent zealot
doing a bit more math, assuming a yharon fight is 5 minutes, then the total time spent waiting for the summon is less than 5% of the time spent fighting the boss
that's an insignificant amount of time
radiant meadow
but if you prefer I don't discuss it, I'll just move to cal talk or something ig
wooden lance
its an amount of time that could very easily not be spent watching an animation play
i dont see why aesthetic and practicality are mutually exclusive
fervent zealot
you're literally complaining about less than 5% more time taken, that's just absurd
i didn't come here to argue though, just to bring some quick math to put things in perspective
wooden lance
where am i complaining? im suggesting that we adopt the best of both worlds
hollow shell
(you uhh, you're complaining)
tawny garden
this needs to stop
wooden lance
if i came off that way, thats my mistake
fervent zealot
it's just.. there doesn't really need to be a compromise for something taking up less than 1/20th of the time spent playing the game
tawny garden
you did suggest, and the suggestion is on its way
wooden lance
thats all i mean to do
hexed spade
what
hollow shell
@pale glacier Okay but why a worm in lava?
pale glacier
Well
Honestly idk but Betsy is like a fire dragon so
Maybe I should just change it to hell
magic grove
Last time I checked, I don't think a Dragon eats worms.
gray nebula
Unusual summoning method yea
hollow shell
Your reason should include why you want it to be a worm bait fished in lava
Because given your current reasoning, it could just be any generic summoning item
pale glacier
Hmm you think the reason that its a fire dragon is enough or?
hollow shell
I guess so yeah
As long as you give a reason why you want fishing involved in the first place, too
magic grove
Speaking of Betsy, wanna say anything about the "Increase Vesuvius' drop chance" suggestion?
pale glacier
Okay I'm just gonna cut out the fishing part one sec
hollow shell
Some people would dislike the inconsistency of different Leggie drop rates, but the reasoning makes sense
magic grove
I know, but, like..CMON! Does anyone actually want to do OOA 100 times?
unkempt bolt
betsy is by far the worst legendary farm in the game
pale glacier
Does this look better?
magic grove
Survive 7 waves that are pretty long > Beat Betsy > Nope, try again! > Repeat 98 times
polar grove
i think event bosses having higher legendary drop rates is totally reasonable
unkempt bolt
does that apply to anyone except betsy though?
polar grove
probably not
but it would be a good thing to keep in mind if more event bosses ever get added
hollow shell
"we had a boss spawn that drops from the ogres when you kill them during a tier 3 OOA"
"when you use it in Hell"
You keep addin these unnecessary specifiers. They're fine if you include why in your reasoning
but otherwise you could just keep it at "Add a spawn item for Betsy"
polar grove
or if OD ever gets a legendary
pale glacier
So should I just cut that out and keep it at its a pain to farm betsy?
hollow shell
Yes imo
wooden lance
if i had my way, i would allow waves to begin prematurely for defender medals
hollow shell
Alright that's fine Heisen
hollow shell
@torpid zodiac Boss suggestions aren't allowed
Also Yharim as a boss is coming eventually
torpid zodiac
oh
magic grove
r/ihadastroke
torpid zodiac
sorry about that
ashen warren
yeah that's literally just yharim
unkempt bolt
what does this even say
magic grove
Commas and Periods, ya kinda need those to make it more readable.
ancient crow
a betsy spawn item would be very nice ngl
dapper coral
ik the update changes PBG enrage, but does it change her attack pattern upon spawning at all? cuz i was thinking of making a suggestion about making her first attack consistent every time instead of it being sometimes charges and sometimes rockets/plaguebringer spawns
cobalt pewter
People collectively hating on OOA
Me likey
OOA shouldn't exist
Nor should you slap a rare item on Betsy
polar grove
uh i think thats a removed feature?
dapper coral
which is a removed feature? the rage?
violet dagger
it was planned
cobalt pewter
What if Rage (or Adren) can be charged with "graze" system?
Well the term is from touhou, but it's basically near miss
unreal viper
I agree with the sugg, but you could def word it in a more formal manner.
Good reasoning.
steep crown
Thats a vanilla Problem, But I could see it being changed
sturdy geyser
this mod does change vanilla so this is something it could change
clever canopy
I get the feeling rage is supposed to be just for melee, since if you’re tanking you’ll never be able to get adrenaline
Rage and adrenaline are supposed to fit two different playstyles and I’m okay with them remaining that way
keen drum
updated the suggestion a bit
clever canopy
You kinda give a good reason to not add it within the suggestion, melee is weaker in damage output at most points in the game, and rage is mainly for them to balance that out
waxen pine
if rage was only intended for melee heart of darkness wouldn't exist
clever canopy
Sure there are a few weapons that deal insane damage but the average melee weapon for each tier is less powerful than the average ranger or mage weapon
So if you want to use rage as another class use the heart of darkness
Again that seems pretty balanced, if you want access to both mechanics you need to sacrifice an inventory slot
waxen pine
nothing stops you from just swapping from heart of darkness after you've acquired rage
then using it when you need it
hollow shell
We think Feedza's Lihzahrd Chest sugg is fine?
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/699359022364491868/738023635058556948
polar grove
looks good
cobalt pewter
Huh, rover you didn't read the convo I had with the other guy regarding compability with other mods?
hollow shell
hm?
hollow shell
Yeah, it would most likely be quite the headache replacing all the Lihzahrd chests with new chests and making it so all the loot that was meant to go in the original would get ported over
cobalt pewter
Mmhm
hollow shell
iunno if it should get approved and we'll just, mull it over in the dev server if it reaches there
or
not approved, because it'd be too annoying to execute
cobalt pewter
Indeed
I left it there to see your or ben's opinions
I don't mind it being yeeted
hollow shell
If you're fine with the compromise, you could change it to just ask us to add Lihzahrd chest weapons, without the locking mechanic
From the reasoning it seems like the latter is what was more important, tho
(btw @dapper coral You're about 14 hours late on that DPS test https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/699359022364491868/738089847247470713 )
dapper coral
crap
yknow what, ima just save this sugg since i don't have time to do it before then
i'll repost it once i've done the test
hollow shell
aighty
cobalt pewter
If you're fine with the compromise, you could change it to just ask us to add Lihzahrd chest weapons, without the locking mechanic
From the reasoning it seems like the latter is what was more important, tho
@hollow shell what I fear is that those weapon drops would be omega RNG unless there would be some predetermined chests with them
Or you know whay
What
That could work
With the addition of maybe temple crates
Or lockboxes
I'll reiterate my sugg with this in mind once I'm done taking care of my sister
hollow shell
okie
In the meantime, we think Altix's HotE ingredient sugg is good?
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/699359022364491868/738091206889701407
cobalt pewter
Yeah
golden narwhal
Ye
cobalt pewter
I'm dumb or that link doesn't lead to any suggs
golden narwhal
Seems good
cobalt pewter
After a bit of scouring, yes
That's a good sugg
Rogue stealth needs massive overhauls to be viable
hollow shell
aight
golden narwhal
What would the sugg be
That don't doesn't apply here
Since it's referring to early-game bosses
Prolly don't make it too specific tho
hollow shell
Just make your suggestion be that the fight should be more intense, or similar.
Don't do something like that yeah, don't specify exactly what you wanna see
You could if you back up that attack with reasoning for why it should be executed the way you describe
gloomy musk
muahahh
to be fair
astrum aureus has 3 attacks basically
and he’s trivialised by having an arena above him
with a few solid tiles
cuz he’s shotguns are piss easy to dodge
and his homing little blasts despawn to quickly, the only threat is the homing probes but if you have a weapon that goes through tiles you can just chill above him
but he can teleport
hollow shell
Uh yeah I guess so
cobalt pewter
@hollow shell should I edit my current sugg or should I post a new one?
hollow shell
Prolly post a new one, current's nearin its time limit
cobalt pewter
Alrighty
While I'm waiting for slowmode, I also got something in mind
**Give Rage and Adrenaline a different way to be recharged in fights. Some examples would be:
- Being near attacked enemies for Rage.
- Grazing by projectiles for Adrenaline.**
Currently the two power bars in Rev+, especially Rage, feel kind of iffy in execution. Rage primarily because it seems like it's made mostly with true melee in mind. Those two additional ways of charging Rage and Adrenaline would make them more interesting all around.
These can be innate or added with upgrades at some point in the progression.
Rage charging when the player is near attacked enemies, regardless of damage type, would encourage players to get close more to gain Rage faster, and thus more damage throughout the fight. This power would be exchanged for more risks of getting hit, especially with squishy, glass cannon players.
Adrenaline charging on "grazing" enemy projectiles (which is essentially "near-miss"ing them) would give Adren a bit more risk/reward dynamic instead of taking safe positions and bombarding bosses from afar to get free adrenaline.
The base charge rate of these can be reduced slightly to account for these changes.
Thoughts?
ashen warren
wdym by "being near attacked enemies"
just being within a certain radius around them
?
cobalt pewter
Yeah, while they're damaged
cobalt pewter
Hm, how so?
gloomy musk
for majority of bosses it’s just free adrenaline
like scal
bosses with telegraphed attacks
providence would be a literal adrenaline drug dealer
cobalt pewter
Well I guess giving small cooldown to prevent burst charge would kinda fix it
ashen warren
nah it wouldnt lol
cobalt pewter
ashen warren
u still get it super quickly for bosses like scal and provi as he mentioned
any proj heavy boss
cobalt pewter
I'm still not really sure how to kinda change adren tbh
But thinking more about it ye
It could be kinda exploited
ashen warren
then you could remove that from your suggestion
onyx river
I mean, does adren need to be changed is the question
cobalt pewter
Yeah I plan to leave only rage as I post
Maybe as long as Discord allows you?
In a single msg
ashen warren
2000 characters
cobalt pewter
But anyway, what if subsequent grazes in quick succession reduce the charge temporarily
So likd
Like
gloomy musk
still wouldn’t change much for most bosses
and would be too much complexity just to get adrenaline a tiny bit faster
cobalt pewter
Hmm, yeah
gloomy musk
adrenaline is fine rn
cobalt pewter
Idk, seems kinda easy for literally anything but true melee
onyx river
This sounds way too complicated for smthing that doesn't need to be fixed rn
cobalt pewter
But ig I'll keep rage for the sugg then
golden narwhal
I'd remove the list of attacks, since the wiki exists for more info
They do for a bit
plain egret
nvm read i
yeah
just summarize them
just say that aureus has 4 attacks on a pattern and youre good
onyx river
Well you could also mention that the strategy for this fight is basically running as far as possible from the boss at all times, which is pretty lame
ashen warren
It's not lame if it doesn't repeat itself for the rest of the game imo
The other bosses are different so that makes the fight unique and not that lame
gloomy musk
You forget you need aureus cells for a number of things
ashen warren
also
gloomy musk
so for most players he’s a required boss anyway
ashen warren
starlight fuel cell
gloomy musk
[[Starlight Fuel Cell]]
red stormBOT
red stormBOT
ashen warren
aureus is fine as-is and is being buffed in next update to be more agressive as you move farther away from him
golden narwhal
I personally like the flame attack
Doesn't really need a change, since it's the most memorable attack
You referred to it as astral flame crystals
ashen warren
thise are extremely deadly
especially in dmode
because he shoots like triple the amount as rev
gloomy musk
eh
u can run away from the flames
and they despawn
i never saw them during my nohit iirc
real steppe
Please for the love of god stop lava slimes from dropping lava when they die
If you are in hell and are consitently battling lava slimes then you probably have a lava charm or something like it so it gets to the point where all they do it tear up your wall of flesh bridge. Its annoying and nothing more.
Obsidian platforms, planter boxes
ashen warren
That doesnt change the fact that it would be better for the lava dropping to be removed
It helps nothing
Its just an annoyance
gloomy musk
it’s a mechanic
deal with it
it’s not unfair or game breaking or overwhelming
wooden platforms are fine
since it majority takes up 1 block
gloomy musk
dunno who suggested it but don’t think it needs removing
unkempt bolt
why are there two nearly-identical suggestions in posting
robust lava
If you’re asking about the Lihzahrd chests ones, that’s because the person chose to resubmit a modified suggestion
clever canopy
Probably means the rage filling based on distance
gloomy musk
The only ways one receives rage these days is either 1. True melee 2. Heart of darkness/draedons heart/ 3. Potion of darkness which isn’t a calamity feature
but I suppose that’s the pay off
Other classes have to sacrifice an item slot for it
untold cargo
i actually sometimes get rage during a scal fight i have none of those things u said
gloomy musk
cos her attacks do a million fkn damage
clever canopy
idk why people see the need for everyone to have access to rage
I've always seen it as a choice between rage and adrenaline, I don't know why people need both
coarse trout
what if it's a boss fight where you can't use adrenaline
like you're unable to dodge for the needed amount of time to use adrenaline
clever canopy
Then don't use adrenaline
You can beat any boss without rage or adrenaline, its not a necessity
tawny garden
it's not a choice between them, cause rage is useless
(professor of sweeping statements)
coarse trout
rage is perfectly fine
at least post-dragonfolly
and only ML would be hard enough to dodge that you can't get adrenaline pre dragonfolly
untold cargo
rage isnt that bad
limber ocean
but isn't post dragonfolly like... 25% of the game?
untold cargo
basically
tawny garden
@dapper coral your dps test is still nonexistent
dapper coral
yknow what, ima just save this sugg since i don't have time to do it before then
i'll repost it once i've done the test
@tawny garden ^
tawny garden
dapper coral
i didn't end up having time to do the test last night so i'll do it later
sand umbra
hexed spade
frail mantle
it's not a meme sugg i think
tawny garden
SDS
sand umbra
isn't this literally just Midas EX
frail mantle
more just
not understanding sugg rules
😭 why these emotes
unreal star
hexed spade
what
tawny garden
hollow shell
@mint steppe You need a much stronger reason than that. This suggestion is pretty specific so you need more to back it up.
west summit
Has there been suggestions about active summoner weapons?
earnest vine
wdym?
west summit
Weapons that deal summon damage but don't summon minions
rather are weapons you can actively use
hollow shell
(adding half a sentence is not enough, Agergo)
worldly drift
how would it be a summoner weapon then
hollow shell
You could suggest that, Uno
But I dunno how much support it would get
west summit
Summoner as a class is just too passive imo
earnest vine
and there's this accesory which I forgot the name as well that converts other classes weapons into summon weapons
hollow shell
That's the point, aint it?
west summit
and dual classing loses out on potential dps with your minions
earnest vine
also whips will solve that in 1.4
west summit
Yea true
cobalt pewter
Weapons that deal summon damage but don't summon minions
@west summit the closest I can think of that is Borealis Bomber
west summit
I remember one mod let you switch the Bat Scepter from a magic weapon to a summon weapon
hollow shell
Whips will help yeah
west summit
which kinda makes sense since you're summoning bat
earnest vine
ah, like bee gun style weapons?
cobalt pewter
It's technically a temporary minion that explodes, essentially making it a magic weapon with summon damage type
west summit
Sort of yea
west summit
Is that Calamity?
earnest vine
I belive?
hollow shell
Definitely not Calamity
earnest vine
yeah let me search that up
west summit
I feel like there's balance problems with that tho
cobalt pewter
Prolly fargo's mutant
frail mantle
there's also the rusty beacon prototype thing
west summit
Imagine being able to use Yharim's Crystal and full power Cosmic Imaterializer
worldly drift
sounds unbalanced
west summit
Yea
worldly drift
is that supposed to be the point?
west summit
No I was referring to an accessory that turns any weapon into summon damage
heady lichen
the profaned soul crystal
however, that converts the type of the attack too
as in instead of yharims crystal you now have big boom homing fireball
that deals summon damage
hollow shell
That is indeed a feature
If that's what Кинтана was referring to, he coulda been more descriptive
btw question @cobalt pewter
Why did you write a suggestion that was very similar to Mackeye's? #suggestions-posting message
ancient crow
pirate debuff sounds interesting
hollow shell
Do you wanna keep the sugg around, Feedza?
ancient crow
a bit hard to balance, but i can see that working
hollow shell
The problem with the pirate debuff sugg is it's painful lack of reasoning.
hollow shell
I can even think of some good reasons for why that debuff specifically would be a good idea specifically for the pirate invasion
but agergo only has "make pirate invasion harder"
hollow shell
I'd get rid of it, s'just redundant
cobalt pewter
Okie
tawny garden
found it
earnest vine
That is indeed a feature
If that's what Кинтана was referring to, he coulda been more descriptive
@hollow shell A bit late, but yeah I thats what I was reffering to
tawny garden
hollow shell
Aight cool so, sugg unneccessary
It's fixed
hollow shell
@modern dagger Are you going to edit your suggestion to make it more clear, have reasoning, and follow the correct suggestion formatting? #suggestions-posting message
terse rain
Pirate debuff thing sounds like absolute cancer. Does not solve the problem of pirate invasion essentially being a “die over and over throwing yourself at the enemy repeatedly until it ends” and in fact makes it worse because you most likely lose literally all of your coins
woeful lantern
imo if this was going to be a thing it should only be death mode only cause thats where most ai changes happen so it kinda would make sense to give them another change
hollow shell
This would work as a way to make dropping your money a concern factor in the game again, especially for an invasion.
Because it takes place at the player's base, they can just keep stashing away their money in the Piggy Bank where it's permanently safe.
(Though the above could apply to all invasions, having this debuff for Pirates would be thematically fitting as well due to all the money-related drops they have)
@mint steppe You wanna add that ^ to your suggestion's reasoning?
tawny garden
(oh, so you made up the reasoning for the suggester now)
hollow shell
Yes
tawny garden
(how generous)
hollow shell
oh ffs @mint steppe Don't be that specific with your suggestions
You've been here a while, you should know this
tawny garden
((that's it people, we don't need to think of any reasoning, Rover's gonna do it for us))
hollow shell
(I just know that agergo in particular is a pain to work with. He's not gonna be able to formulate that reason on his own.)
(Sorry agergo.)
((Case-in-point, if it wasn't a Specific suggestion before, he just turned it into one))
hollow shell
I'll give him a few minutes to edit his suggestion, but if it don't change then I'll DM him cuz pings ain't working
slow sphinx
@mint steppe I would change it to make the debuff make you drop money from your piggy bank when you die, and just that, no speciffic %s, sure still very specific, but more open, though again it's all up to the devs to implement it or not.
ancient crow
yeah, general outline of what it should do is fine
literally putting down every single aspect of how it would work is not
earnest vine
yeah dont give the actual numbers, they are probably figured out by testing
(wow, my sugg has more than 200 stars, unexpected)
hollow shell
(nice)
mint steppe
What I need change to my post?
hollow shell
It needs to be a lot less specific
tawny garden
remove the Debuff info
hollow shell
You can remove the entire middle section where you lay it out like a wiki page. No specific numbers, no specific names.
You probably don't need the immunity item but you could mention something like it in your reasoning
mint steppe
Now better?
hollow shell
No. You still have specific percent numbers, you say exactly what the debuff visual will look like, and you still have a specific name for the immunity item.
earnest vine
you could just say"add a debuff that makes you lose all your coins from piggy bank, vault and defender forge, inflicted by pirate enemies, and an item that gives inmunity to that debuff" then concentrate in the reasoning, which is way more important that the name that the debuff/item will have.
mint steppe
The number no need?
hollow shell
You do not need numbers.
mint steppe
Now is good?
hollow shell
It's better.
Your reason could still be better though, more expanded.
I pinged you earlier with a more extensive reasoning. You can just use that I guess
mint steppe
Now?
hollow shell
That's better
(I have other complaints, but what you have now is good enough.)
mint steppe
thx
hollow shell
Do we think DeDeDe's mud suggestion is fine?
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/699359022364491868/738146743169843322
(probably would be a pain to implement but eh)
short kiln
I'd love that, having my jungle corrupted is one of the things that usually just make me stop playing entirely
dapper coral
it's valid, i think
earnest vine
I would love that, but its vanilla you're dealing with
dapper coral
whether it'll be good by devs is another matter but it's fine for voting
crude geode
I don’t really think that it’s good for the game to have a debuff that specifically effects the money you have in a piggy bank/safe. While it makes logical sense for them to loot everything they can, it would feel very frustrating to lose like five platinum or something if you died.
dapper coral
the whole point of putting money in a piggy bank is so you don't lose it, so
it would kinda defeat the point
crude geode
yeah, also that
hollow shell
Sounds good Leon
frail mantle
terse rain
Doesn’t sound like it would be a fun mechanic it just sounds annoying as hell
hollow shell
👍
Ben already said blackarmor's sugg was implemented (here: https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/465195069406707722/738177197491355739 )
This sugg: https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/699359022364491868/738157490105221210
So, should it be deleted?
frail mantle
if not it'd just be an instant flag
crude geode
Yeah, I think it’s fine getting yeeted.
gloomy musk
:p
clever canopy
I mean if you really feel that the player should lose money during invasions just disable the use of pig banks/safes during it
hollow shell
We think Yumium's Vesuvius sugg is fine?
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/699359022364491868/738201504665567314
dapper coral
sure
i find it interesting that Heisenberg's directly below it could solve this problem as well but eh separate issues
tawny garden
yea, it's fine
although I would prefer consistensy
which Heisenberg's sugg provides
dapper coral
mhmm
tawny garden
it's a bluecheck iirc
hollow shell
Lemme see when the most recent one delivered was
tawny garden
also, this is kinda sugg_chainingn't
hollow shell
Yep, April
And that's fine. Being inspired by a sugg immediately before isn't recommended but it isn't chaining
Chaining would be "Instead of increasing Vesuvius's drop chance..."
dapper coral
as long as the other sugg is not mentioned in the sugg it's probably fine, innit
tawny garden
it is fine
gloomy musk
About the Vesuvius drop rate
tawny garden
too late
hollow shell
m iirc yes I recall this
tawny garden
yea, she's a weird half-boss
actually, does she have this.boss = true?
I could check, but I'm lazy
gloomy musk
Yes
you do
and it’s a standard Betsy fight no 1 shots
but the drop rate is piss low for a weapon that isnt standout good for a final event boss
gloomy musk
i see it being good for deus and that’s it really
and ravager but you’ve got a Atlantis
hollow shell
Do we think Mackeye's sugg is fine
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/699359022364491868/738227662128152606
sturdy geyser
i think it is fine
violet dagger
yes
dapper coral
sure
hollow shell
Supercharged's is not formatted correctly (and has little reasoning)
Pinged him and am awaiting.
sturdy geyser
i don't like the way woozy stated it
but they are right, it is an annoying feature
hollow shell
Aight
@covert siren Reword your suggestion a little bit to sound less aggressive
earnest vine
just use planter boxes
hollow shell
dapper coral
or just platforms
hollow shell
Needs to be obsidian platforms or they get broken
And those can be a little annoying to get for a whole WoF bridge
hollow shell
Feedza's Lihzahrd chest sugg fine?
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/699359022364491868/738308984196431915
sturdy geyser
yes
earnest vine
yes
hollow shell
Cool
tawny garden
looks like @modern dagger isn't gonna edit his sugg
tawny garden
true
weak field
That suggestion is well, without a reasoning whatsoever beside references maybe
Plus I don't like these good-for-one-boss weapons
They feel like plastic bags
hot wind
^
earnest vine
at least it could be like types of weapons
or something like that, but a specific weapon wouldnt really be used imo
unkempt bolt
the debuff one is strange
maybe it’s just me, but i never do pirates in calamity
the only good weapon from them is arbalest, and people just arma farm for money
if pirates were more relevant in calamity, i could see a debuff for them being a nice addition
but atm it just seems like a change that nobody would notice
unkempt bolt
im considering calamity in it's current/shortly upcoming state
as should people suggesting things for the mod
hollow shell
Maybe a sugg to make Pirates more relevant 🤔
hollow shell
I'm fine with them.
weak field
It would make people even less willing to do pirate invasion
Since if it's added they're gonna drop more money
And nobody like that
unkempt bolt
yeah it wouldn't do anything interesting
it's just
wow this is less beneficial to me
loud kayak
I think the Pirate suggestions's reasoning is kinda weak. Money in Calamity was never the biggest issue, and even if you did want to save it up, this just sounds like an annoyance that would dissuade people from even using the Pirate Invasion as a source of money. And then agergo just points out how simple it would be to work around the coins dropping immediately afterwards
tawny garden
some of the reasoning wasn't his
lyric eagle
I don't believe that anything should be added that only serves to make the game frustrating. Challenging is good, frustrating is not
one of the reasons why master mode might be unpopular among many people. same strategies for bosses, but they take longer and random enemies can kill you more easily.
Anyway, I think I've read somewhere around here that doing stuff with events can be a massive pain. it's why the slime rain, goblin event etc. are or are almost identical to the vanilla ones with the exception of added drops in some cases.
the anti-frustration aspect is why the lava plumes in the underworld got warnings etc.
hollow shell
Adding drops and modifying inflicted debuffs are no issue at all (they're not inherent to events)
lyric eagle
pvp would require multiplayer, and after that everything's out the window
If a feature makes me go something along the lines of, 'ooh, I'll get it next time, that was awesome but I lost by just that much' and it feels fair that I lost because of my mistakes, then I consider that to be a challenge, and something I can have fun with improving at. Bosses on deathmode can be crazy hard, but if I died, it's because I messed up something that was ultimately designed to be a fair challenge and a core part of gameplay.
Making the player lose even their stored money during a freaking pirate invasion/optional event of all things would be frustrating. It's not necessary to make the game more challenging, just makes the player upset that they have to kill desert scourge however many more times to get their lost money back. That's how I see it at least. If this essay bothers anyone for any reason, I'll delete it, no worries.
hollow shell
(It's not bothersome but it is pointless. Agergo will never see this, and if you ping him he won't/can't read it)
lyric eagle
not directed at him, just thoughts in general on those type of suggestions.
tawny garden
(MOAB)
clever canopy
MOAB gives less height than bundle of balloons when defiled is active
And also counts as wings
clever canopy
SIS?
tawny garden
specific item sugg
hollow shell
It's not specific, you didn't propose your own item
Which is good 👍
(not sure why Philo brought it up)
tawny garden
Now I know we're not supposed to make specific suggestions but...
hollow shell
Ah, didn't read that far
clever canopy
Didn't know how strict that rule was, as I kinda was making some form of a specific item suggestion, just without making that item the sole suggestion
tawny garden
your sugg is valid, but I still recommend reading the doc
hollow shell
I think that proposal is fine as an example thing around the bottom of the suggestion
Not necessarily needed but it ain't makin the sugg invalid
tawny garden
some terminology is explained in the doc
clever canopy
I read the doc a few days ago but have a pretty bad memory for things like that tbh
tawny garden
ah
it's ok dw
craggy stratus
betsy is extremely easy without the armies
dont think a summon item would be a great idea
clever canopy
What if the summon just skipped to the final tier of OOA and gave the player all the ethereal mana they’d earn up to that point?
tawny garden
the amount of ethereal mana earned depends on how good you played iirc
hollow shell
I don't think it does?
craggy stratus
well, the player will still struggle with the lack of the mana
clever canopy
Nah if you get through each wave you get the same amount
clever canopy
Always multiples of 10
craggy stratus
some is 20, some is 30
tawny garden
well, the player will still struggle with the lack of the mana
store it in a chest
ashen warren
you can store it in a chest
clever canopy
If it’s in a chest it doesn’t disappear after the event ends
ashen warren
and it wont dissapear after the even
craggy stratus
ah
clever canopy
So you can store it for use next time you start the event
craggy stratus
so to prepare for ooa last wave, you cheese the mana
i dont see how this is going to work
tawny garden
Mappy used that trick to kill DG in 3 ticks
back in 1.3.4.1
but there's no practical use of that
craggy stratus
by work, i mean making the ooa last wave easier without any form of cheese
if betsy is summoned alone, there need to be some sort of buff
tawny garden
yea, actually
you'll need to buff it
zealous ridge
why summon betsy again...? i know there's the weapons and the wings
is this for making vestuvius eiser to get?
craggy stratus
yes
tawny garden
to get Vesuvius, yes
clever canopy
Maybe instead of making the summon craftable make it buyable from the tavernkeep for 5 or so defender medals, that way the player still needs to do OOA, just nowhere near as much
zealous ridge
dont even know why betsy has a legendary to begin with
tawny garden
for reasons
craggy stratus
^
zealous ridge
betsy dropping this legendary seems like its plagued with problems
its like a superbuffed meteor staff
with a shotgun meteor attack upon right click
waxen pine
meteor staff that gives you warmth buff pretty much
zealous ridge
oh yeah it gives a warmth debuff of some sort
isnt it like dragon's hearth or something
the buff isnt warmth but it has similar effects
waxen pine
it gives you resistance to cold effects
tawny garden
ah what if they moved that to yharon?
why Yharon?
craggy stratus
dragon theme i guess
waxen pine
zealous ridge
tbh
unkempt bolt
i guess it could drop from yharon 1 bag but
a meteor-staff type weapon without homing would be pretty bad for yharon
zealous ridge
and yet phoenix flame barrage exists
unkempt bolt
it might as well not
unkempt bolt
there definitely remains the issue of betsy being really easy, so moving the drop seems to be the only way to make it work
because OOA sucks, and grinding easy bosses sucks
clever canopy
The problem with OOA is it’s really hard until it’s really easy, there’s a very small space in progression where it feels like a good challenge
gray nebula
well yeah we're kinda forced to
hollow shell
We might. Not a suggestion for these channels though, because that would pertain to 1.4 and therefore break the Future Content Suggestion rule
gray nebula
It'd be weird to not add mm relics and pets and if we didn't we would constantly get suggestions about it 
dapper coral
thicc nerf time
aquatic scourge is the first boss with a legendary right?
oh also destroyer ig
sinful steeple
Cryogen is
dapper coral
since same tier
gray nebula
yeah but betsy tho
foggy plover
its a pretty strong weapon for its tier and you got lucky so it pays off
you arent meant to grind for it
tawny garden
this.
gray nebula
kinda agree that betsy having a leggy is a bit weird,
foggy plover
ye that's
dapper coral
yes
foggy plover
kind of strange ig
gray nebula
we already have plans for legznfaries tho so it's all good
tawny garden
the only non-boss with a legendary
dapper coral
betsy shouldn't have one but at the same time she shouldn't get an easier way to grind legendaries
oh wait really? nice
tawny garden
(btw, if you want a proof that betsy ain't a boss, off to Terraria.NPC.cs you go)
hollow shell
(new suggestion: Enable npc.boss on Betsy)
tawny garden
this.boss* ((I guess that's the same thing))
hollow shell
m yeah technically "this"
craggy stratus
the lava slime can be counter by using planter box
sturdy geyser
that doesn't make it not annoying
hollow shell
Sugg's wording is good now.
Do we think Woozy's sugg is good for approval? (it's a repost from earlier today if you're worried about timing)
sturdy geyser
yes
quick ice
sounds good to me
craggy stratus
prob should make this a mod config
tawny garden
if you're thinking: planter boxes? why? answer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=he6W3-M9N78
balmy jay
I mean there is one exception to the RIV/legendary droprate that I know of
Which is because it's harder to even fight that enemy
tawny garden
RIV droprates vary
balmy jay
So if Betsy isn't made a dedicated boss fight the same should apply
Well, yes but
The eye of Magnus example stands out
violet dagger
thing about vesuvius being a RIV is it has to have a normal variant
meteor staff wouldn't work
hollow shell
eh it kinda could
tawny garden
even looks vaguely the same
distant gyro
vesuvius would also fit the volcanic themed scoria set
unkempt bolt
rare chaotic puffer drop 
craggy stratus
isnt chaotic puffer in layer 4
craggy stratus
then the problem is finding the right drop rate
too low, and it is a nuisance
too high, well not really a challenging drop anymore
hollow shell
Understandable suggestion.
limber ocean
that video looks... fucked up, for lack of a better word
suggestion definitely seems reasonable
hollow shell
That's a Specific Item Suggestion (and also a future content suggestion cuz of 1.4)
You can't suggest that
(also, Dragon Pow exists https://calamitymod.gamepedia.com/Dragon_Pow )
ashen warren
hollow shell
Yes, Dragon Pow and Drippler Crippler are both flails
Different kinds of flails but indeed the same weapon type
hollow shell
(Dragon Pow may or may not gain the swinging arm function of the 1.4 flails when tMod and Calamity update to 1.4)
ashen warren
NIIIICE
ashen warren
...what
tepid root
wuh
indigo fog
hollow shell
@ashen warren No.
ashen warren
just rude
hollow shell
Indeed, it was. Please don't post suggestions like that.
ashen warren
i will have to ask the furry vanity mod maker
whole sedge
steep crown
Probably something not suited from for the mod
Based on the dudes reaction, probably something lewd or having to do with Furries
pale glacier
@hollow shell btw I assume my suggestion to speed up the devil's trident in demonshade wasn't posted for voting cause the whole armor is gonna get reworked?
Or did people just not like the suggestion that much?
hollow shell
It was posted, delivered, and even approved.
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/737186240117473382
hollow shell
np
ashen warren
no i don't
wooden wedge
Yes you do
ashen warren
You do
dapper coral
sigh
ashen warren
idiot.
dapper coral
not to mention it's rather specific
ashen warren
^
dapper coral
...no need to insult each other though
wooden wedge
Remember to read the don'ts doc
hollow shell
@ashen warren I'm gonna have to ask you to stop
dapper coral
but it's not, though
hollow shell
You need to read the rules first.
dapper coral
it's much too specific and there's no reason
wooden wedge
It's not a legit sugg if you refuse to give it a reason
hollow shell
Your suggestion is too specific and it needs a reason.
There's a google doc in the pins telling you what you can and can't suggest
ashen warren
didn't i like give a reason after the head one?
wooden wedge
No
wooden wedge
That's not a reason
wooden wedge
Also aureus isn't around ML
hollow shell
wait are you talking about the one you just posted?
wooden wedge
It's post plant
hollow shell
It was deus iirc
ashen warren
deus
wooden wedge
Ah
hollow shell
You can repost something similar to your suggestion if you read the rules first and pare it down to something more general
Here, I still have it:
ASTRUM DEUS BOSS AI SUGGESTION FOR 1.4.5
vortex attack, deus will start going in circles after half health and make a vortex that drags you in deals massive damage, disappears after 10 seconds, repeat about every 30-60 seconds
make only the head hit-able but other body parts deal damage (a worm boss in about moonlord deserves it)
in about 25% to 10% health he spins around the player and shout organized lazer bullets the player has to go around and round till he dies
ashen warren
thank you ♥
wooden wedge
Also deus has already been reworked for the next update
hollow shell
ye, a lil bit
You can wait for the update to release and see how the new fight works
and see if your sugg is still necessary
ashen warren
The whole fight is run in a straight line with a unicorn mount and hope it doesn't catch you
i saw the trailer
I hope it doesn't stay so simple in future updates
wooden wedge
The trailer only showed so much
ashen warren
ngl
wooden wedge
And by that I mean barely anything was shown
ashen warren
i don't have my hopes too high
hollow shell
Still, would be better to wait.
ashen warren
alright you're right, as long my suggestion doesn't overlap with what the mod creators are having in mind
i should be okay
hollow shell
👍
ashen warren
i wish that wasn't a thing, desert scourge at this point is just a worm
hollow shell
Indeed. But, it is still an early boss. Shouldn't have too many unique concepts as it's meant as more of an introduction
hollow shell
Indeed subjective. But, we have the rule for a reason.
Lotta people suggested buffs to KS and DS but the devs rejected em, with the reason that early bosses don't need to be too difficult or fancy
whole sedge
Yeah the whole point of an early game boss like that is to be rather simple and easy to fight to get you eased into the game 
ashen warren
you're right, devs shouldn't put that much effort to the very first bosses of the game
wooden wedge
It's not about effort, it's about the difficulty of the boss
ashen warren
you can have a fancy easy boss
cobalt pewter
Phm bosses (at least on vanilla) are designed with simplicity in mind
To parallel the simplicity and flexibility of equipment setup there
ashen warren
you're right, devs shouldn't put that much effort to the very first bosses of the game
somewhat similar to what i said
whole sedge
Just because it's simple doesn't mean no effort really
hollow shell
(convo doesn't need to continue. Back to potentially valid suggestion talk)
ashen warren
right, so right now i can suggest stuff from 1.4
ashen warren
can't*
hollow shell
Gotta wait till Calamity actually gets 1.4 compatibility before you suggest stuff for it
yeah
hollow shell
Indeed
frail mantle
also not allowed
hollow shell
That would be a lot of things to toggle
however
I don't know if that is necessarily disallowed
I think people have sugg'd it before?
cobalt pewter
Certain huge ones could work
frail mantle
i doubt it'd be accepted
ashen warren
no
hollow shell
cobalt pewter
Ohh
hollow shell
(devs had no strong opinions one way or the other on that vanilla changes sugg)
ashen warren
is it valid to suggest that he makes them toggleable?
cobalt pewter
Can't wait for Calamity to remove master mode
ashen warren
i hate those
hollow shell
You can suggest that, yeah
cobalt pewter
wooden wedge
It's a joke
hollow shell
(it was a joke)
frail mantle
what's a frozen heart
cobalt pewter
It was a joke^3
ashen warren
A LOT
of people dislike master mode
and
i can get behind that
for the most part is it lame stat changes
hollow shell
Suggesting toggleable vanilla changes would be valid but it would be a "blue check" cuz that suggestion I linked already suggested that
ashen warren
yeah i saw
hollow shell
ye
wooden wedge
I think it actually only got the bare minimum +1 stars at the time of posting
frail mantle
personally i'm against being able to toggle vanilla buffs and nerfs cause like
hollow shell
Still though, it did get enough
ashen warren
BRUH
frail mantle
they're there for a reason
ashen warren
great
hollow shell
(we get a lot of people starring suggestions nowadays)
(the current requirement is 170 and even that's too high now, over half of all posted suggs are getting delivered)
ashen warren
leon i just don't like when mods changes heavily vanilla stuff
frail mantle
but i'm just a random idiot with image perms so my opinion doesn't have much effect
ashen warren
seems kinda selfish tbh
like it is not the only mod the player will play
i mean it's a mod after all
hollow shell
mhm
Again, you can suggest it
ashen warren
you said it been already suggested
frail mantle
yes
ashen warren
so we are discussing it
hollow shell
Yeah but that won't make yours invalid
frail mantle
but you can suggest it again
ashen warren
ah i see
hollow shell
We have a system where if multiple suggs get posted (and delivered) for the same topic then the original will get indicated as being popular
ashen warren
sweeeet
hollow shell
Alright, this suggestion looks fine
dapper coral
yeah, it's valid
frail mantle
disagreeable but valid yea
ashen warren
disagreeable but valid yea
the softcap right?
dapper coral
what specifically was Ben having trouble with configs for? was it the multiplayer desync for the accessory toggles or something?
cuz i suppose it would be important to know which configs are not doable
frail mantle
nah i mean that while it's possible to disagree that they need toggles, it's still valid as a suggestion
hollow shell
Yeah, the accessory toggles had multiplayer desync issues
ashen warren
ah i see
dapper coral
so that wouldn't affect this then, right? probably
hollow shell
It might.
ashen warren
"desync issues" like in fargo where you can disable souls?
or a server side problem?
hollow shell
It is probably possible to fix the issues, however Ben wasn't able to find a way
dapper coral
essentially there were issues with moving some of the visibility toggles from accessories to the config menu because terraria multiplayer is shite
iirc
ashen warren
Oh that pirate debuff is gonna get neglected
you're not allowed to suggest death animations right?
hollow shell
Yeah, cuz they've been suggested a lot in the past
ashen warren
yeah i can imagine that
i wish superCAL had an amazing death animation like moonlord
robust lava
Even if they were allowed, there would be no point adding a death animation for SCal currently, when she's going to get significantly resprited at some point
clever canopy
Yeah scal is supposed to be humanoid
I think calamitas is supposed to remain the same though since it’s a clone gone wrong or something
untold cargo
I have never went to the underground astral biome for a proper reason so I agree
ashen warren
yeah