i wouldn't mind if the quiver was in the recipe, as long as perhaps some other subclass accessories were in it too
#suggestions-discussion
radiant meadow
sniper scope is already used in halley's inferno. I think we didn't want people to need to get more than one.
hollow shell
.. we could remove it from Halley's Inferno
radiant meadow
It was Shucks' idea to add it.
dapper coral
does halley's get sniper scope effect? i feel like there were some weapons that had sniper scope effect without sniper scope in the recipe, or vice versa
radiant meadow
yes
dapper coral
hmm
dapper coral
maybe stick an ammo box in there then
radiant meadow
and apparently svantechnical
dapper coral
(also are there any other subclass-specific accessories other than archer stuffs and sniper scope? i can't think of any)
hollow shell
There aren't any for rockets or flamethrowers that I can recall
polar grove
any feedback?
radiant meadow
afaik it's just magic quiver
hollow shell
A bluecheck but a good suggestion
polar grove
ok
radiant meadow
sniper scope is arguably all (ranger) class because it gives overall range boosts instead of just bullet damage
dapper coral
indeed
time to make another sugg about adding subtype-specific accessories so that we can stick em in elequiver recipe 
actually that seems like an unnecessary idea
radiant meadow
does ranger really need the power boost
hollow shell
(it do lack accs in Calamity)
polar grove
i personally think ranger just needs better bullets postml to be better
radiant meadow
that's why bloodfire bullets were sprite requested in art
radiant meadow
there were plans for another post moon lord bullet but I think Ozz just has been burned out on programming for awhile now
polar grove
oof
polar grove
same
dapper coral
does ranger really need the power boost
always
radiant meadow
happening as in these were planned when there was the rogue expansion update
hollow shell
@cobalt pewter For your wing sugg, you could make it clearer in your main line that you mean Calamity's additional stat boosts, and not just wing speed or flight time, when you say "Amplify boosts of hover wings"
cobalt pewter
Oh yee
hollow shell
Thought you were just talkin about wing stats
cobalt pewter
Should be fixed now
hollow shell
Ye that's clearer
Do we think Feedza's sugg is good to go?
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/699359022364491868/737646278493732864
dapper coral
very SIS tho
hexed spade
yeah
polar grove
i think i agree with the general idea
hollow shell
@compact walrus Don't include specific new effects in your suggestion
It should mainly consist of reasoning and you explaining the problem
polar grove
having certain minions be more effective while wearing certain types of armor sounds pretty interesting actually
dapper coral
anyway i think feedza's is fine
compact walrus
Oh, sorry, i didn't mean to "inclide specific effect" its just an example, like, how my idea should be interpreted
Should i edit it?
hollow shell
Yeah
compact walrus
Ok thanks
polar grove
i would say "wearing spider or bee armor gives a buff to spider and bee summons etc etc"
hollow shell
You could I guess. If you do though you'd need additional reasoning for that specific effect
compact walrus
Hm
Can i keep those mentions?
Like "bee armor and bee summon are useless in modded"
Or take out this too?
hollow shell
I suppose so. It'd be good to narrow down your suggestion overall
Right now from your top line it sounds like "Buff literally every vanilla armor and/or weapon"
If you think Bee and Spider need buffs in specific, your sugg could be about just those two.
radiant meadow
Buff nebula armor and last prism 
violet dagger
buff nanoblack reaper and nanotech
compact walrus
Like that?
hollow shell
yyyeah kinda
It'd be nice to have comparisons to Calamity sets in the same tiers to show why they're obsolete
rose latch
isnt bee viable in calamity?
distant gyro
bee, molten, chloro are viable
necro is terrible in 1.3 but 1.4 buffs necro
hollow shell
@ashen warren I don't think that's a thing that can happen?
Can anyone confirm or deny?
hollow idol
ill test rn
earnest vine
what I know can happen is that it spawns on top of evil
that doesnt happen to me
My astral biome spawned on top of corruption and both biomes didnt spread onto each other
(I belive)
radiant meadow
is it multiplayer?
craggy stratus
you can place wood to block corruption spread
radiant meadow
astral solution doesn't work in multiplayer
it's buggy and desyncs
so that would be why
ashen warren
yeah @compact walrus you might want to remove bee armor, spider armor, and molten armor from that
because those three are all actually extremely viable and better than aerospec for bee/molten and daedalus for spider
bee actually has more damage than statigel iirc
sand umbra
Necro-Bone is indeed absolutely hilarious
foggy plover
old ones sets besides valhalla knight could maybe use one, hellstone is getting the true melee damage buff, bee is fine (tho the valkyrie from aerospec is really good apparently), spider is very good
unreal viper
Ooa needs a sentry buff more than armor one imo.
Cause the armors are decent, it’s just that the sentries they buff are horrible.
So only the tough melee ones get used.
polar grove
does the ethereal subjugator get a lot more dps if you resummon it constantly?
its relating to a sugg i want to write up
ashen warren
why would it
polar grove
because some minions fire immediately as soon as they are summoned
ashen warren
that's just vanilla ones
ashen warren
calamity minions don't get summoned when slots are full
zealous ridge
its inconsistent
ashen warren
yeah they have a long cooldown
polar grove
and annoying when i want to know if i've used all my slots
polar grove
yes
ashen warren
why
polar grove
because i have to use 3 full mana bars to summon all of them
zealous ridge
but the staff costs uh
ashen warren
uh no
zealous ridge
how much mana?
polar grove
and that gets really annoying because you dont generally have mana regen as a summoner
10
it just stacks up incredibly quickly
ashen warren
you should have like 16 slots
zealous ridge
that can be a problem with a lot of minions lol
ashen warren
maybe 18
zealous ridge
no way you only have 9 slots in post-prov
polar grove
i have 22 by dog which is where you should be using it
radiant meadow
I can check if subjugator does that
ashen warren
you should have 400 mana
zealous ridge
320 mana is a good amount
polar grove
and that still means i have to use a bar and a half to summon them all
ashen warren
because clearly you don't have enough mana
radiant meadow
looks like spamming subjugator will gain you no ground I think?
zealous ridge
400 is like the absolute max if you get upgrades
polar grove
well thats good
zealous ridge
it really doesnt seem like it would affect gameplay in any case
lowering the mana cost would be fine imo
like, i mean balance ig
radiant meadow
yes, it shouldn't be spammable
zealous ridge
what
shy yew
some other user said this in #general-talk so i thought posting it here would be fitting lol
polar grove
what?
shy yew
not a meme 😦
zealous ridge
shy yew
unreal viper
Ye.
polar grove
and yes i agree daedalus needs a big buff or rework
zealous ridge
sand is all about the reworks
polar grove
its only use is as a rogue, otherwise you shouldn't be using it
polar grove
zealous ridge
but uh, i guess daedalus has shitty set bones
so like sure
but im not really sure what we're asking in this sugg
hollow shell
It'd be nice to make Daedalus into a Summon+Rogue set
Either a hybrid with one helmet, or two helmets one for each class
polar grove
i would actually prefer if daedalus was just a multiclass armor
sand umbra
real talk:
unreal viper
And the set bonuses don’t have theming.
sand umbra
ranger Daedalus
unreal viper
Yes
zealous ridge
probably just needs to be clarified lol, does specialization mean move its tier or change its stats?
polar grove
like a single helmet i mean
zealous ridge
never
polar grove
also you dont use daedalus as a summoner either
radiant meadow
circlet is enough
polar grove
because spider exists and is way better
unreal viper
There’s no room for it anywhere else.
sand umbra
Circlet was a mistake
zealous ridge
yes
radiant meadow
Someone paid for it and it didn't break any rules so not much could be done about it
¯_(ツ)_/¯
polar grove
wait the circlet is a dono piece?
radiant meadow
yes
polar grove
thats interesting
radiant meadow
always has
zealous ridge
for crabbar
unreal viper
Wasn’t it dedicated?
polar grove
oh of course its crab
radiant meadow
Donor items are dedicated
polar grove
why wouldnt it be
zealous ridge
it was dedicated to his rogue summon playthrough but he actually donated for it
all my homies hate circlet
unreal viper
Hmm
zealous ridge
worst vanity
distant gyro
mmm
hollow shell
(wait so if Spider exists.. turn Daedalus into rogue set?)
distant gyro
daedalus pure rogue
radiant meadow
Daedalus just gonna trash on the new set
polar grove
i mean it wouldnt even change much at that point
radiant meadow
polar grove
since you already only use it as a rogue anyways
unreal viper
I don’t think fab would like it lul.
hollow shell
hmmMm
unreal viper
But non rogue Daedalus doesn’t need to exist
zealous ridge
making it class-based would make sense in that it would fall in line with brimflame
radiant meadow
and I don't plan to do the reaver thing to daedalus too
distant gyro
inb4 bring back daedalus ranger only/reaver melee only/ataxia mage only
hollow shell
was that a thing in the distant distant past?
distant gyro
the old calamity experience
zealous ridge
yes
distant gyro
yes
hollow shell
That's pretty neat
zealous ridge
ataxia was like better spectre
hollow shell
still is
unreal viper
||Reaver is melee only.||
zealous ridge
okay yes it still is
hollow shell
wait.. pog?
distant gyro
ye the 3 alloys represent the 3 classes
polar grove
i do feel like its a bit weird how so many calamity armors are just multi-helmet armors
distant gyro
until there's 4... and 5
radiant meadow
Also, did I mention in here how much I hate armor balancing?
whole sedge
Armor balancing is a pain 
radiant meadow
it's like worse than weapon balancing
unreal viper
How tf do you edit on mobile?
radiant meadow
tap and hold your message
zealous ridge
cal armors being multihelmet sets was a fabsolism iirc that was changed because there weren't enough sets strewn throughout the game to make for a balanced "purely calamity experience"
might be wrong on that actually but thats what i remember..?
unreal viper
Eh
hollow shell
All post-ML armors used to be like that.
zealous ridge
yeah
distant gyro
all armors were 1 helmet only
radiant meadow
I'm not so keen on removing helmets personally, but it's difficult to create a unique set that people will use but doesn't invalidate others.
zealous ridge
xeroc tarragon and godslayer were all multiclass back in the day with no other helms
it was kind of stagnating
unreal viper
Maybe a set based on movement?
radiant meadow
Xeroc armor is internal pain and screeching.
zealous ridge
thats kind of what i was thinking
radiant meadow
I should like
unreal viper
Sound shit to balance tho
polar grove
xeroc still only has one helmet iirc
radiant meadow
make Gallant Pickaxe pre moon lord
unreal viper
Ye
radiant meadow
and make it required to mine astral ore
zealous ridge
well i mean, xeroc is also only a rogue set now
unreal viper
Huh?
zealous ridge
used to be allclass
hollow shell
yes that would be a great idea with no problems whatsoever
radiant meadow
oh, you actually agree?
hollow shell
No
radiant meadow
:(
radiant meadow
Gallant pickaxe is dumb anyways
unreal viper
You should give the stats from the astral set bonus to the armor.
Utility?
What kind?
zealous ridge
yeah that sounds a bit broad ig
unreal viper
Ye.
zealous ridge
i was... thinking a sort of mining set?
unreal viper
Hmm
zealous ridge
or even just a set that you wear if you wanna build good
unreal viper
Sounds kinda odd for a multi helm thing tho.
zealous ridge
make arena building in hm less of a bore
well i mean the multi helms dont need to carry over
unreal viper
Would be unique tho.
hollow shell
Do we think Кинтана's crag sugg is alright?
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/699359022364491868/737697776569155615
polar grove
it looks like it would be cbt to implement, but its valid
wooden lance
^
radiant meadow
Just sprite work I think
There is already background code for astral and sulph sea
hollow shell
Aighty
midnight crag
What if Crystyl Crusher was upgradeable with 50 of every bar in the game to make a super drill-type idea?
Sounds dumb when I say it out loud
radiant meadow
Upgrade to a dev item isn't going to fly
midnight crag
makes sense
cobalt pewter
Yeah subjugator doesn't work that well due to the mana consumption imo
It doesn't even perform that well to cosmilamp
hexed spade
wait midnight sun is the meta on scal?
wooden lance
yes
cobalt pewter
Which you can theoretically get eariler and easier
Yes, Signus is easier than Polter, though by a bit
wooden lance
both are incredibly easy tbh
wooden lance
yes, but the lasers do damage
so theoretically you could cast them with full slots
and get the free damage
radiant meadow
So then fix that? :)
wooden lance
if thats a bug then yeah
cobalt pewter
Also you already waste time spawning these, due to each using half slots
wooden lance
i dont think they take up half a slot
wooden lance
they dont
cobalt pewter
Wait they do? Subjugator is what we're talking about, no?
wooden lance
youre talking subjugator, im talking midnight sun
wooden lance
my b
cobalt pewter
Yea It's aight
I just see the sugg
For midnight sun
Also those ufo are meta against scal? Didn't know that
wooden lance
has anyone suggested the same thing for herrings? increasing swing speed?
cobalt pewter
You mean use time?
I can feel that it's a bit slow yes
Considering it's half a slot each
wooden lance
but has it been suggested
cobalt pewter
And one that asks for summons to have less use time through progression
wooden lance
well i know what im doing once 10 mins is up
cobalt pewter
So far not use time of the staff yet
wooden lance
how tf has nobody complained about that
polar grove
increasing the speed in general of herrings has been suggested many times
wooden lance
herring speed is fine tbh
polar grove
i mean like everything
wooden lance
if it were faster it would be a busted weapon
polar grove
swing speed, movement speed etc
cobalt pewter
I guess giving the herrings faster speed in water would be nice and make sense
Unless that's already a thing
polar grove
faster water herrings would actually be good for defiled
wooden lance
herrings dont need a buff
wooden lance
you can use something else for sg core
unreal viper
I used vile feeder for sg.
wooden lance
better than herrings
cobalt pewter
SG slowing down while holding down a summon weapon would be nice
cobalt pewter
Otherwise I guess herrings kinda work against SG
unreal viper
That makes the boss easier.
wooden lance
herrings murder the big slimes
wooden lance
then you can switch to scab/feeder
polar grove
i think it would be better if it just got nerfed speed when holding the herring staff specifically
any more would be begging for broken strats
wooden lance
then that has cross-class utility
wooden lance
maybe not
however i never fight sg holding herring staff
im always holding marked magnum
cobalt pewter
Well because there's no reason to atm
If holding a summon weapon slows SG core down, people would probs alternate between holding marked magnum and summon staffs
wooden lance
seems needlessly tedious
cobalt pewter
But yes, since there's no reason to hold staffs in sg fight, marked magnum is the only option
wooden lance
if you want herrings to hit sg core, just make em faster
polar grove
yes the tedium would drive people away from using that strat even if it is objectively better
cobalt pewter
Unless sg isn't immune to whatever the debuff Aestheticus applies
polar grove
aestheticus is actually the way most summoner beat slime god
cobalt pewter
I already had a fair share of beating sg, so I'm not doing that again with cold divinity
unreal viper
Debuffs huh.
unreal viper
I should check if my Suggs got thru.
cobalt pewter
Cold Divinity is awesome
wooden lance
wouldnt divinity melt sg?
wooden lance
daedalus didnt go through yet
cobalt pewter
And copy attack is a guaranteed dmg on core after a while
polar grove
suggs dont go through before 12 hours have passed generally
cobalt pewter
So not worth testing anymore
polar grove
exceptions are only made if its like 5 minutes til that deadline
unreal viper
The Suggs on debuffs that I made a while ago.
wooden lance
are they constantly running behind or does it take that long to evalulate
polar grove
how long ago was that?
polar grove
im not totally sure why
but im guessing its so that sugg voting doesnt get flooded
oh wait i remember that one
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/730515137278115940 seems like it got through and has been approved by the devs
pasted the wrong thing sorry
wooden lance
oh yeah i do remember that one
cobalt pewter
Electrified is actually one of the more interesting debuffs imo
wooden lance
electrified is a good time
wooden lance
bootleg frozen
cobalt pewter
hollow shell
We think Patrick explosives sugg is aight?
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/699359022364491868/737715895895326762
polar grove
seems like it
wooden lance
absolutely
wooden lance
ideally there will be explosives that can blow up hardmode ores
assuming thats not already in calamity
polar grove
i has question
radiant meadow
Onyx excavator can mine them next update more reliably
polar grove
is it fine to suggest adding more screen tints to the game for non-boss things?
radiant meadow
Probably?
polar grove
nice
radiant meadow
there is dm astral haze
wooden lance
i must ask how many times herring staff summon speed increases have been suggested
wooden lance
then why hasnt it been done
polar grove
uh idrk tbh
wooden lance
the first question was rhetorical tbh
hollow shell
I guess I dunno
SG Core fight for summoners is better next update but I don't know how much better
polar grove
ill take that lol
wooden lance
still doesnt fix the fact that it takes several years to summon all your herrings
hollow shell
From the sounds of it, seems like one of the new summons performs well during that phase
and.. that's reason to not enact other changes to make Core phase better for summons?
Oh that's the speed you were referring to
wooden lance
yes
hollow shell
I dunno if that's been suggested before
You can sugg that
wooden lance
herrings not impacting core i can deal with
polar grove
yeah having super slow use times for summon staffs except the kindle staff is cbt
polar grove
in the earlygame you generally dont really have enough slots to even use all your mana
polar grove
huh
radiant meadow
that summon got tier shifted rover to post prov I think
hollow shell
Pardon?
wooden lance
i think he's talking about the summon that you thought could deal with sg core
but i dont actually know
hollow shell
Ah, yeah that would make sense
(There would still be a new summon in that tier regardless though, I dunno how it fares against the one I heard about before)
wooden lance
tbh im glad to see that summoner is getting some love, though a summon that could deal with both sg slimes and core would be nifty, as swapping summons isnt fun
actually, has a desummon all hotkey been suggested/is feasible?
polar grove
i think it has been suggested, but it didnt get a very high amount of stars
wooden lance
goes to show that people dont play summoner lol
polar grove
i think something that would be far more useful would be a key to instantly summon all the summons of the staff you are holding
so like if you press it and have 8 slots you suddenly have 16 herrings
they could even be the same exact key
wooden lance
that would be fire tbh, although i dont think those two things should be mutually exclusive
but people dont like it
so nothing anyone can do
cobalt pewter
Imagine not having quick hands and desummon from hotbar
only to lose 3-4 of your other buffs
polar grove
the hotbar desummon also seems to be handled weirdly
wooden lance
how
polar grove
like theres no buffer frames between when you can cancel buffs
wooden lance
there shouldnt be tbh
polar grove
so you can accidentally cancel like 4 or 5 buffs by just holding click for too long
i know
wooden lance
but i see where youre coming from
cobalt pewter
Also is it weird that death/eternity wof is somehow easier than just death?
Though at low health it kinda went nuts
But the rest of the fight were free fight
hollow shell
(izzat relevant?)
cobalt pewter
(oh yes, I thought this is calam talk o o f)
signal robin
Where can i suggest about wiki?
onyx river
hollow shell
^
signal robin
Thanks
onyx river
I don't think it's a bluecheck, maybe a bit too specific in the number tho i feel
tawny garden
why?
ashen warren
Its jsut the one most to the top
tawny garden
It will go to voting
ashen warren
All buffs were based on 50% more in it
ashen warren
Similar
tawny garden
it proposes a different solution
onyx river
Yeah, same thoughts as Philo, it tackles then same problem but different solutions so no bluecheck
frail mantle
sugg cutoff date is november 1st, right
onyx river
Well if the pins are right yeah
tawny garden
too long ago imo
frail mantle
in that case the one about the Prov particle ring would probably be a bluecheck, cause this one was suggested less than a week after the cutoff https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/642011539871760386
and yeah the cutoff date should probably be moved
tawny garden
quick, move the cutoff
if nobody remembers suggs from that time, then it's an indicator that the cutoff point should be moved
frail mantle
eah
untold cargo
generally people i think follow main progression, of fight golem after the plant era and that mean the weapons would be severely under leveled and a waste of storage
cobalt pewter
That's a fair point
I feel like what could be done is make those chests able to be unlocked after killing Golem (with appropriately gud loot), but droprate of Solar Tablet Fragment is immensely buffed from Temple enemies
But I'll wait for others to pick up on the sugg so I can get more feedbacks
untold cargo
what about lihzard cells
untold cargo
then people could farm for a long time to get a bunch of cells and grind golem a ton
cobalt pewter
Oh 2%
Yeah I'd say 5% for cells, then 20% for fragments
Then add another loot with lesser chance for the tablet itself
cobalt pewter
Ah
untold cargo
or those are just mob drops idk
cobalt pewter
Well Calamity has done some things to support Thorium
e.g. sulfur sea gen being the opposite of depths
untold cargo
only rev and death boss buffs and that
cobalt pewter
But I'll check if Thorium does smth to Lihzahrd Chests
cobalt pewter
Okay only one thing, Lihzahrd Kunai
golden basalt
Za warudo?
cobalt pewter
Not sure how am I supposed to cater to that 
Alternatively
There's another way for it to not conflict
Only one of the chests are locked
untold cargo
what if world gen says no
untold cargo
what if world gen said no again
cobalt pewter
Ah
frail mantle
the mod that adds the lihzard time stop thing already fucks over shrines
cobalt pewter
World gen
Stop fucking with me and get on with this stuff mate
So I guess if we'd include other mods into the equation, doing what I suggested would be, complicated, to say the least
I'll see what ben or rover can say about this
untold cargo
maybe calamity can interfere with mods again
ashen warren
Thank you rover for fixing the calamity wiki
tawny garden
oh fuck, did one sugg die?
wooden wedge
@wispy heron should probably leave out the future content of the draedon lab
or whatever the structure is
wispy heron
You know, thats fair.
wooden wedge
and probably change the title of the sugg to reflect the last sentence
hollow shell
(smh Brav I was waiting on an edit for the Rage meter sugg)
hollow shell
I had it saved
Also, multiple suggs died
Kotiklap's, Londoncalling's, and Remilia's
cuz they all needed editing and didn't edit
I still have them saved so they can be reposted if they want to
well
Do we think Thomas's sugg is good for approval?
#suggestions-posting message
sturdy geyser
yes
earnest vine
yeah
tawny garden
yep
hollow shell
cool
tawny garden
it'll give us more DR
hollow shell
How bout Cin2Win's?
#suggestions-posting message
tawny garden
ye
hot wind
ya
dapper coral
yea
hollow shell
aight
earnest vine
yeah
hollow shell
Demik's?
#suggestions-posting message
frail mantle
i'd say so yea
radiant meadow
materials should be singular
earnest vine
yeah
radiant meadow
because the only arrow specific thing is Magic Quiver
b) it requires materials that are specific to bow users, such as the Magic Quiver.
something like, "it requires Magic Quiver, which is specific to bow users"
rather than making it sound like there's more than one
hollow shell
aight @dapper coral
dapper coral
fixed
hollow shell
There we go
earnest vine
I feel like Spicy McChicken's suggs could be made into one
"reduce use time for summon weapons (herring-midnight sun UFO)"
hollow shell
eh
They both have separate reasons and technically separate issues
earnest vine
ah, yeah right
hollow shell
Herring just has a slow use time but Midnight Sun has the funky spawn anim
Is Cata's sugg fine?
#suggestions-posting message
hot wind
yeop
dapper coral
yees
sturdy geyser
yes
weak field
Because they're staffs
hollow shell
iirc it was so they could get the Mythical modifier and other mage modifiers?
Even though that's worse than Ruthless
weak field
The only advantage Mythical has over Ruthless is knockback
radiant meadow
tbf, the difference between ruthless and mythical is often marginal
especially on lower-end summons
hollow shell
Fair enough, 3% damage
sturdy geyser
I need that 3% damage tho,,,,
radiant meadow
could just prevent you from getting reforges at all 🤫
hollow shell
(Dunno why they didn't add Summon modifiers, s'not like they couldn't)
weak field
Why don't we remove the mana cost instead
radiant meadow
same reason summons can't crit I bet
weak field
Is that hardcoded btw?
hollow shell
The new modifiers could have no crit chance increases
radiant meadow
and summons have a very low variety of stats that can be changed
hollow shell
because they programmed very good
radiant meadow
minion knockback doesn't need to exist
dapper coral
(Dunno why they didn't add Summon modifiers, s'not like they couldn't)
because what is summoner class in vanilla
sturdy geyser
summons not having crits actually does make sense
weak field
Summoner is more like a subclass
radiant meadow
because crit checks your held item's crit chance
sturdy geyser
vanilla classes kinda wacky
smoky wagon
They removed the hard cap for DR right
That used to be a thing
Now its a soft cap iirc
tawny garden
smoky wagon
hollow shell
That's the nice thing about the current diminishing returns system (and Thomas's too)
it's that there is no arbitrary value where DR suddenly stops being as effective
It is a smoov curve
sand umbra
s m o o v f
hollow shell
Arctic Arrows.
They exist
Icicle Arrows were moved in order to space them out.
Would be a better sugg to ask for Icicle Arrows to be buffed.
dapper coral
aight then
weak field
Well, most boss/mini boss is immune to glacial states I believe
weak field
Icicle arrows, more like crystal bullet in an arrow
sand umbra
you forget that Terra ammunition is already literally better Crystal Bullets for either ammo type
weak field
Well, yeah, most of the time yes
I never really used either of these arrows btw, I just stick to venom arrow
hollow shell
(Icy Bullets and Icicle Arrows could do with a retheme/rework to make em more unique, considering their tier)
sand umbra
Terra Bullets are Crystal Bullets except you literally cannot miss any of the hits
Terra Arrows are that on an arrow
weak field
Well, crystal bullet's shard linger in an area so you can make a mine field sort of thing
Anyway I think what they said is valid
hollow shell
I thought Terra ammos only home after impact?
wooden lance
terra arrows are required to reach a certain speed first
icicle arrows do it full stop
weak field
They do need rework to be more unique instead of crystal bullet on a stick
hollow shell
@distant gyro [slams hands on table] THANK you!
distant gyro
wooden lance
im a fan
weak field
4 of them, and the other 5
sand umbra
weak field
4 of them summon elementals only, and the other 5
wooden lance
bloom stone should take all the damag buffs tbh, not just sprinkle it on aero stone and shit
weak field
wait what 9 elementals?
distant gyro
"components"
distant gyro
there are 9 components to hote
wooden lance
whoa
weak field
Ok yeah
wooden lance
i thought there were two
weak field
wooden lance
hollow shell
You got the numbers flipped though
sturdy geyser
give it 9 waifus smh
hollow shell
There are 4 non-elemental accs
wooden lance
^
hollow shell
Mention that.
distant gyro
rose has the classy 3% damage just like the rest
tawny garden
also, here's another thing with hote
it's the only pre-ML acc that is viable in the endgame
wooden lance
dsa
hollow shell
Pre-ML.
distant gyro
communism ty
tawny garden
this ↑
distant gyro
no but people pretend it is so im mentioning it
wooden lance
fair
distant gyro
wooden lance
honestly community should give venom debuff
sturdy geyser
i thought it would be good 😔
tawny garden
communi
smty
fuck. I misread that as "communism thank you"
wooden lance
either that or temporal sadness
hollow shell
(if you're in the art server, Spicy: https://discordapp.com/channels/404725126425214999/541397237406892033/686717181395992606 )
distant gyro
byeah stones funny
wooden lance
im not, for the record
distant gyro
stone of the elements
untold cargo
Wasn’t this already suggested?
ashen warren
Maybe I think but its nice to remind staff I think
untold cargo
Oh ok
wooden lance
the presentation could be better but i can agree with the core idea
for the record, has anyone suggested plague jet and midnight sun ufo teleportation?
zealous ridge
like have the minions teleport to you after a set distance?
wooden lance
yes
wooden lance
perhaps, but brimseekers will tp to you if they go too far away
the range is just longer
zealous ridge
it doesnt help that midnight sun and plague jet dont have the best AI imo
they have a massive targeting range without the ability to come back easily
wooden lance
plague jet has a good enough ai to do its job
its supposed to linger on targets
until they die
zealous ridge
id imagine that's what most minions do
you mean, like
stay near them without accounting for your position at all?
wooden lance
no, other summons attack whatever is closest/being targeted
plague jets never leave their target until it dies
zealous ridge
okay
targeting is pretty inaccurate anyways
i see what you mean
though
i can see it being helpful for providence in some ways
and the teleport wouldnt change targeting under this idea?
theyd still stay on the same target id guess
wooden lance
i dont mind the plague jets remaining on the same target indefinitely while in range of tp, however trying to teleport with plague jets summoned is p a i n
zealous ridge
is it just the fact that you have to resummon to get them close enough to attack?
wooden lance
that and trying to teleport with them will leave them behind
in addition, if you set plague jets on a dummy, they wont go away until its desummoned, wasting bullets
zealous ridge
that's cool
wooden lance
not terrible for sp, garbage for mp
zealous ridge
its almost like making plague jets consume ammo was kind of a bad idea
wooden lance
honestly i like the idea
zealous ridge
ye its just my opinion, i suppose its interesting
wooden lance
if they didnt do that and i was allowed to make a summon weapon, i would make a summon that does that
now if only we had the same thing with arrows
zealous ridge
i wouldve preferred it stock up a single bullet that it didnt consume
wooden lance
though i would agree a standard musket ball munition if you dont have bullets would be good
zealous ridge
that would be fine yeah
it only shoots the rockets when no ammo can be consumed right?
wooden lance
yes, which is very infrequent
zealous ridge
mhm
i wouldve liked it more if it didnt specifically consume bullets
its like the only time you ever need to worry about ammo as summoner and it sticks out like a sore thumb imo
its a gimmick, to be sure
and gimmicks can be hit or miss
also as far as darksun goes
do you think a xeno minion-esque warp would be helpful?
wooden lance
literally any form of teleport
zealous ridge
fair enough
wooden lance
ideally when further away since it still needs to hit yharon
hollow shell
@near ore Don't make suggestions about 1.4
hexed spade
i would assume that is planned also future content sugg
hollow shell
Save them for when Calamity and tModLoader actually update to 1.4 first
near ore
sorry it was a thought for when it does
hollow shell
(I'd recommend against saying things like that)
plush iron
hollow shell
it's aight
hexed spade
thats more of a bug and its fixed in the next update
dapper coral
wait why can prismbacks not take damage from minions?
oh it's fixed soon
nvm then
violet dagger
isn't there a mod that adds a solution that turns it back into mud
unreal star
no idea
unkempt bolt
i've heard of it
unreal star
having it in calamity would be a good QOL change
unkempt bolt
calamity is my favourite qol mod
unreal star
i mean it adds crafting recipes for a lot of stuff you can only get from chests or fishing
hollow shell
Luiafk has Dark Green solution doesn't it?
unreal star
maaaaybe?
hollow shell
Yeah we could add a way to solve the issue to Calamity itself
unreal star
i’ve not explored much of luiafk
dapper coral
i don't tink it's in luiafk but i might be wrong
hollow shell
You could mention that in your sugg
That even though this could be theoretically solved by other QoL mods, it'd be good to have it in Calamity as it'd fall in line with its other QoL changes (and how Calamity is theoretically intended to be played standalone)
unreal star
alright
hollow shell
👍
Is IHS's Daedalus sugg good for approval?
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/699359022364491868/737875936124600320
untold cargo
Yes
heady lichen
glass cannon daedelus would be cool
golden narwhal
Very yes
dapper coral
isn't forbidden armor for summoners/rogues? that would solve the argument that daedalus even needs a set for those classes
dapper coral
and give it more thought into the glass cannon
eh, the mod isn't balanced around nohits
heady lichen
a glass cannon armor that isn't literally post-scal sounds mad nice tbh
well there's also plague reaper and brimflame
for glass cannons
dapper coral
omega blue?
heady lichen
and maybe umbraphile
heady lichen
omega blue is decently tanky
it also has lifesteal shit
which glass cannons don't really use
golden narwhal
Blue is kinda middle
dapper coral
i barely make it so idk
byeah anyways forbidden armor is a thing
so that could be used as an example to show how every class is covered already
dapper coral
(and frost armor for melee/ranged but it is what it is)
heady lichen
as a class combo
hollow shell
aight cool
Do Spicy's first two summon suggs look good?
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/699359022364491868/737888781322944552
weak field
Yeah
earnest vine
yeah
golden narwhal
Yea
dapper coral
yea
gloomy musk
you can fish giant clam drops from sunken crates after killing him
this also applies to when you’ve killed him in pre hardmode you can fish the drops as soon as u enter hardmode
should you have to kill him again
in hardmode
hollow shell
Pardon?
gloomy musk
uhh I’m bad at wording
golden narwhal
Think he's saying if you kill clam pre-hm, you can access its crate drops in hm
gloomy musk
so, you can fish giant clams drops from sunken crates
yeah
what he said
should that not be a thing
should you have to kill him again in hardmode
hollow shell
Are you making a suggestion or are you stating something that already occurs?
I can't tell
tawny garden
robust lava
I think they’re saying that you should have to kill a Giant Clam again to access its HM drops via fishing
gloomy musk
Currently, you can fish giant clams hardmode drops whilst in hardmode, without having to kill the hardmode version of him
hollow shell
Okay, yeah, I see
I remember hearing about this issue before
gloomy musk
yeah what mayo said
hollow shell
You could make a suggestion about fixing that
hollow shell
It might have gotten suggested before, let me check
gloomy musk
thank u
hollow shell
No it doesn't seem like it, so, you can.
Dunno what came of the issue whenever it got brought up before 🤷♀️
hexed spade
?
golden narwhal
Think this was actually sugged before (weaknesses)
violet dagger
what is this sugg
unreal star
you could donate to make it happen
tawny garden
golden narwhal
Didn't get anywhere
hollow shell
@modern dagger what
polar grove
@modern dagger read the formatting and donts docs
tawny garden
violet dagger
frail mantle
i get what he means
hexed spade
unkempt bolt
such a weapon already exists
hollow shell
It's a very odd example
unkempt bolt
that being resurrection butterflies
frail mantle
and the RE guns
gloomy musk
im really not good at wording
tawny garden
there's also halibut is canon
but that's stronger against everyone
modern dagger
what?
violet dagger
modern dagger
ok
tawny garden
ok
@modern dagger you don't have a reason
you formatted incorrectly
you're sugging something which is a balancing nightmare
sinful steeple
Also SIS kinda
violet dagger
not really tbh
tawny garden
no
violet dagger
just poor reasoning and balancing nightmare
sinful steeple
I mean it does state what the weapon does, it's just a SIS without the name
golden narwhal
Not really
hollow shell
No, Macaroni
modern dagger
Oh. I just thought of the idea and thought it would be cool
golden narwhal
There's no specific function listed
hollow shell
If he said "The weapon deals increased damage against Duke Fishron and Moon Lord and it is dropped by Lihzahrds", then it would be an SIS
But the fact that he's just proposing a concept, that's totally fine
sinful steeple
I see
tawny garden
Macaroni, if you wanna see a SIS, go to the beginning of 2019 #suggestions-voting
hollow shell
lol
tawny garden
you'll spot 'em right away
sinful steeple
I know
gloomy musk
I posted my suggestion
sinful steeple
I think I mighta been there
gloomy musk
is it worded ok
earnest vine
ahh, now I get what you where talking about
polar grove
i would be down with having to fight clam in hm
sinful steeple
I dunno if it's inconsistent but it's sure OP
gloomy musk
also what does SIS mean
gray nebula
gloomy musk
ohh
polar grove
like what would clam even unlock that would be required?
sinful steeple
The clam drops in the sunken crates
hollow shell
You should mention Sunken Crates in your top line @gloomy musk
Cuz that's what your issue is about, right?
polar grove
i think removing clam drops from the crates would be a far better solution to this problem
golden narwhal
Eh
tawny garden
no, it'd be terrible
hollow shell
Yeah I guess they don't really need to be in there
Giant Clam respawns and expends no resource to summon
golden narwhal
It's cool having fishing alternatives
tawny garden
you have to fight her in a tight space
polar grove
i meant better than forcing you to fight a miniboss for no reason whatsoever
tawny garden
with a chance to die
tawny garden
and she takes her sweet ass time to respawn
hollow shell
(Your sugg looks good now, Blackarmor) 👌
gloomy musk
removing them or making it so you have to kill her once should be the case
and thanks rover
appreciate the advice
tawny garden
and the chance that you'll get the item that you need is 1/5
so the crates are needed
(especially for me, my luck is shit)
which I believe is an inconsistency
it's not so much an inconsistensy, it's just bypassing the fight
sinful steeple
Yeah
gloomy musk
you should at least have to fight it once before being able to get that juicy item
polar grove
is my sugg good?
untold cargo
That sounds it would be a bit buggy
polar grove
not really
vanilla already does it with the finch staff in 1.4
and that works fine
gloomy musk
hmmm
it could be annoying having to despawn them if you wanna change ur strat
But otherwise
godsend maybe
polar grove
despawning them is a simple matter of right clicking the buff
polar grove
indeed
untold cargo
Food
gloomy musk
in early game
and majority hardmode
and majority entire game at that
i can see it working very well but see it being irritating too
polar grove
i honestly dont see why this isnt already a thing tbh
it would be less irritating than having to summon certain minion loadouts
like any setup that uses more than 2 minions at a time would benefit greatly from this
untold cargo
What if u have multiple different summons and u use a summon pot and bewitching table, when u die those buff disappear, which summons take priority
tawny garden
vanilla already does it with the finch staff in 1.4
and that works fine
vanilla is black magic sometimes
polar grove
just remove a few of the minions that you have the most of
like if you had 12 herrings and an imp just get rid of 4 herrings without the bewitching table and summon pot
and yes vanilla is black magic sometimes
but the finch staff code that does that isnt really that bad
hexed spade
meme
untold cargo
I don’t think meme suggestions are allowed
hexed spade
for new sugg
earnest vine
please no.
tawny garden
@dark kernel you do
gray nebula
untold cargo
And yes u do need it explain
dark kernel
But I actually want it to be changed back
violet dagger
^
polar grove
i dont think suggesting things for stuff that just got into changelogs is allowed
violet dagger
it was kinda funny at first
untold cargo
Honestly should have been 3333%
violet dagger
but its not really funny
untold cargo
For reasons
tawny garden
When something is removed from the mod, it’s done for a reason.
dark kernel
What does 4444 mean
violet dagger
7777 would have worked since thats lucky number
hexed spade
maybe i should make a suggestion to change the nuclear terror's hp
violet dagger
lucky day
untold cargo
How about 0000%
frail mantle
1 - Changed Bloodworm bait power to 4444, because I found out that bloodworms are considered delicious by 99% of fish species upon looking it up, the number 4 is associated with death in certain superstitions and it's a repeating number like the Truffle Worm bait power :HD_Failure:
violet dagger
boomer duke is coming
frail mantle
directly quoting fab in dev server
steep crown
So no, the meme is not coming back
violet dagger
the more you know meme
polar grove
the number 4 in japanese actually does translate to death if you look at it a certain way
zealous ridge
it doesnt directly but theyre similar words iirc
vocal grotto
The 69420 was just a thing that was made on the spot that made it through. A better alternative was found, so that's what was used.
zealous ridge
im sure that's what you meant though
ashen warren
4 means death in chinese from the way you pronounce it