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rose latch
cobalt pewter
[[Relic of Convergence]]
red stormBOT
hollow shell
Deliverance is the spear one
cobalt pewter
Anyway, it wouldn't exactly work like a hook, since it also latches to enemies
mighty knot
oe
hollow shell
but it is not grapple
cobalt pewter
[[Relic or Deliverance]]
rose latch
deliver
cobalt pewter
Fuck
rose latch
not convergance
cobalt pewter
[[Relic of Deliverance]]
red stormBOT
rose latch
[[Relic of Deliverance]]
red stormBOT
mighty knot
@cobalt pewter would still make a dope post-ml hook, although it would prolly be a bit binary (either it's good or it's bad, no room in between)
ashen warren
deliverance is cool for traveling until you remember teleporters exist
cobalt pewter
True
But it's fun to use
So is Deliverance from what I read
Might be getting it later
rose latch
teleporters are cool until you remember heros mod exists
hollow shell
smh imagine cheating
cobalt pewter
Efficiency sometimes counteract fun
rose latch
its the same as teleporters but less work
cobalt pewter
Yes, Deliverance might not be effective, but hell just reading it made me think it's fun
slow sphinx
(Farms 200+ slime kings)
rose latch
portal gun is more fun than delivery
cobalt pewter
Do i take dmg during the launching with Deliverance?
hollow shell
Not sure either
mighty knot
arright can we circle back to the targeting sugg
hollow shell
But we're getting a bit off topic
mighty knot
what do we think
cobalt pewter
Might actually be useful in dad, where vertical mobility can be limited
ashen warren
uhhhh
cobalt pewter
But yeah
mighty knot
can it be a c c e p t e d
ashen warren
Colossal squid armor
bottom text
mighty knot
:l
cobalt pewter
Omega Blue is squid armor but cooler
rose latch
omega blue is hentai armour
slow sphinx
Teeth VS Squid
hollow shell
Your sugg is good, Viral
cobalt pewter
Also I would agree with the effectiveness of Distorted from SG at lower diff
slow sphinx
In many runs I only go for Bloodflare, so...
cobalt pewter
Maybe none at all in normal and expert, and shorter in rev
hollow shell
Nah, give it time
hollow shell
Several hours at least, so currently offline people will have a chance to see it and give feedback
rose latch
I need to stop posting these things at midnight
@mighty knot why
cobalt pewter
The point of stealth is not attacking to deliver a (supposedly) stronger attack with time
mighty knot
b/c rover makes me wait for the weaklings who require sleep to awaken and give feebdack
rose latch
uhh
mighty knot
well, yeah
rose latch
there are people from other countries
cobalt pewter
That sugg kinda ruins that exact point
mighty knot
that too
hollow shell
Nah, it's not cuz of the current time
hollow shell
All suggs must wait around 12 hours before a comfortable approval
slow sphinx
ViralLemon?
mighty knot
n0
tawny garden
((they all wait 20 hours for some reason))
hollow shell
The oldest ones in posting rn are from about 12 hours ago,
speaking of which.
slow sphinx
Sorryish
mighty knot
sweating nervously he's gonna approve a suggestion isn't he
hollow shell
Do we think Feedza's and Bluenebula's suggs are good for approval?
#suggestions-posting message
mighty knot
uhyeah
rose latch
yes
slow sphinx
Welp Gnight and yes
hollow shell
Gnight
tawny garden
yea (this approval is a lot earlier than other suggs, wow)
hollow shell
((also are you aight, Melon? I don't remember you acting like this usually.
Then again my memory is often poor.))
mighty knot
yeah I'm ok
hollow shell
Alright that's good
tawny garden
Then again my memory is often poor.
said at 4 am
hollow shell
quite right
I honestly just wanted to approve those two before I went to sleep
so
cya, gnight
tawny garden
gnight rover
golden narwhal
gn
ashen warren
I agree with the clonelamitas suggestion
polar grove
isnt the dazzling stabber really powerful for where its at though?
woeful lantern
no im pretty sure it isnt
polar grove
ive heard about 20 or 30 times that its very good
are you sure you are using it in the right way?
woeful lantern
im pretty sure im using it the right way
ashen warren
The blissful is very disappointing yes
woeful lantern
its only good for void and 1st form worm
cobalt pewter
Dazzling Stabber using Blade Staff AI would be 
thin burrow
w8, cosmolamp is like blade staff right?
sinful violet
In what way lmao
distant gyro
if you mean how it charges toward enemies, that's just uniform for most minions in the game
and by that logic all minions that fire a projectile is automatically an imp staff clone
or whatever the first projectile-firing minion introduced in terraria is
thin burrow
oh ok
wooden wedge
@plush iron you know that you don't have to stand still to regen stealth anymore right?
plush iron
Yes, but the amount of time it takes to charge stealth when not standing still is awful.
Unless there was a change to stealth in the next update that I haven't seen yet.
wooden wedge
Not being able to dodge to charge up stealth makes it effectively worthless
maybe change this line then?
plush iron
K
There, thank you.
It just feels weird that there's an ever permeating part of Rogue that never gets used, essentially.
Its used by every rogue weapon, yet never feels good to use simply because its charge rate is dependent on you standing still
hexed spade
meme sugg
wooden wedge
@ashen warren meme suggs are a don't
hexed spade
its a meme sugg
ashen warren
Lol
polar grove
even if it wasnt a meme sugg you have little to no reasoning
rewrite it and come back
ashen warren
ah yes buff early game bosses
Fine I suggest that calamity should add a new dungeon to explore
hexed spade
polar grove
hes very obviously trolling
wooden wedge
@vocal grotto
polar grove
if you want that go make your own mod
hexed spade
why is there no suggestion nitwit role here?
polar grove
you should sugg it ee
ashen warren
Even better moon lord legs rogue weapon that shoots out feet
tawny garden
@ashen warren listen to it on youtube
hexed spade
or on soundcloud
unreal viper
I'd add reasoning if you think crab is too easy.
hexed spade
i thought buffing earlygame bosses was a don't
ashen warren
Does revengence work for other mods
hollow shell
(I'll just delete the sugg.
Good intentions, kinda, but yeah you can just listen on YouTube or with an in-game Music Box.)
vocal grotto
Just noticed the ping. The sugg was already deleted, I take it?
hexed spade
yes
tawny garden
also ty Rover
wooden wedge
it wasn't really about the sugg it was about jacob being kinda brainy
tawny garden
👍
steep crown
Didn't think about that, Kinda forgot that the Search feature exists
gray nebula
bruh
tawny garden
Iban has sugg channels muted 
hot wind
I think thats illegal
gray nebula
I have the sugg disc channel muted, not the other 2
hollow shell
So
Do we think the Abyss 4th Layer suggestions is alright?
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/699359022364491868/737178415328788490
whole sedge
yeah
zealous ridge
eh
earnest vine
yeah
zealous ridge
i dont think the subnautica example is like... correct
heady storm
That's fine yeah.
zealous ridge
i feel like just about every area is pretty busy as far as life goes its just the dead zone thats like that
fossil pumice
theyre probably talking about blood kelp zone
earnest vine
I mean, a better example is just real life oceans, they are desolate down there
fossil pumice
which is pretty vacant
zealous ridge
blood kelp has a lot of enemies honestly
a better example would be midnight zone in actual oceans
i mean, it can get sent to voting i guess if that's what youre asking
there isnt anything directly rulebreaking about it
i just probably wont vote for it
hollow shell
puh
@split stag You could include a reference to real life oceans instead of only Subnautica
(I have your suggestion saved btw, let me know when you want to repost if it gets deleted)
While real life oceans don't have quite the super powerhouses of Abyss layer 4, they are definitely quite barren
zealous ridge
well the thing is they do have those kinds of things
colossal squid and sperm whales are a good example
as well as sleeper sharks, i suppose
their example holds better in real life
hollow shell
I'm pretty sure most things in the deep deep ocean are pretty sessile, really only moving when absolutely necessary due to the fact that resources and energy are more sparse and valuable
zealous ridge
ye
i feel like the current layer 4 works with that pretty well, though
i dont think the spawnrates are nearly as high as he says they are
i think the miniboss spawnrate could be toned down and or limited to one miniboss at a time with a cooldown between kills
so that you're not constantly fighting bosses
the enemy spawns are fine, i think what they have there works
fossil pumice
he specifies he would like for there to only be 1 or 2
tawny garden
most things in the deep deep ocean are actually nonexistent, cause they get crushed there
the water is heavy af
hollow shell
We're talking about lifeforms that adapted to it, things that actually live there
zealous ridge
chaotic puffers bloatfish and bobbit worms all only spawn on layer 4 and follow the theme
theyre slow unless theyre hunting or running away
tawny garden
enemies from 3rd layer are seen in the 4th iirc
hollow shell
Only minibosses
hollow shell
(and Eidolists)
zealous ridge
gulpers arent in every layer
corvinas come the closest by being in layers 2 and 3 i believe
so theyre in-betweens
but they dont show up layer 4
hollow shell
Corvinas are only in 2
tawny garden
((also
the deepest parts of subnautica are actually pretty active))
zealous ridge
yes
tawny garden
in the ILZ
heady lichen
I'd love it if the stats in layer 4 were inflated but there were less spawns
zealous ridge
the least active areas are dead zone, dunes, and crash zone
hollow shell
Oh hang on actually, I think the wiki is mistaken
Eidolists may only be in Layer 3
heady lichen
it would make it feel a lot more terrifying
zealous ridge
and even all of those are pretty active in their own ways
tawny garden
yep
zealous ridge
but their concept of "the most common foes here are massive threats" holds true in those areas
like dunes and mountains has like warpers and sandsharks maybe
but youre mostly worrying about the reaper leviathans
tawny garden
alright this is way offtopic
zealous ridge
no?
hollow shell
zealous ridge
im just giving an example that they were probably reffering to
like, they say that the deepest areas are the least filled with life and what you do see are massive threats
i dont think that holds up as far as the "deepest" thing goes
but certain areas fill the definition
they could change deepest to some of the more desolate areas
the 4th layer can be safely called more desolate than the others
1 2 and 3 all have rocks and ores and hanging vines
layer 4 is empty
tawny garden
also, a spawn rate reduction is def needed
the fucking reaper sharks spawn in advance to kill me
zealous ridge
thats less a problem with theming and more a problem with the fact that the minibosses have no spawn limits
its just not fun to fight 5 insanely tanky enemies at once
especially ones that can kill you really quickly and require specific dodging
hollow shell
The spawn rates of Eidolon Wyrms and Reaper Sharks are greater in Layer 4 than in Layer 3
And in Layer 4, both of them can be alive at once, whereas in Layer 3 only one of the three minibosses can be alive at once
zealous ridge
like eidolon wyrms and reaper sharks
tawny garden
even when I enter the abyss from below
they still spawn a lot
so annoying
zealous ridge
i think grace periods could be implemented
regular enemy spawns could be softcapped but not hindered
but minibosses need a cooldown
because having an eidolon and reaper at the same time is a death sentence even for endgame
hollow shell
Indeed
zealous ridge
id think there be a 12 second grace period when you first enter the biome where minibosses wont spawn
or some amount of time
idk
and then a boss has the chance to spawn after thats over
once a miniboss spawns theres another cooldown where no other minibosses can spawn
either its a time cooldown or a "until the miniboss dies and some time after that" cooldown
unreal viper
How do I search up Suggs I made?
frail mantle
you can try searching keywords from the suggestions
hollow shell
frail mantle
alternatively i think searching your ID in sugg voting also works? not sure
hollow shell
You can right-click on your pfp to get it
(if you've got developer mode on I think)
gray nebula
yeah
even if the id isnt directly visible in the sugg
it still gives off the results
mighty knot
ok
tawny garden
Sugg's good imo tho
(Although if it gets implemented all minions will probably be nerfed)
hollow shell
(I have em all a bit more time cuz I've got time zone bias) 
Is Xanderdragon's Slime God sugg fine?
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/699359022364491868/737193953283014697
ashen warren
yees
radiant meadow
the last sentence should be removed imo
since debuff duration is supposed to be the same in all difficulties
but it's fine for the most part
hollow shell
@slow sphinx The Slime God floaty debuff is named "Distorted"
You can/should add that to your sugg
(and yeah the Death Mode thing isn't necessary, cuz there was already a sugg about SG Core's Distorted debuff being difficulty-exclusive)
hollow shell
Thank you 👍
Do we think Bubsuki's is fine?
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/699359022364491868/737194695473758258
wooden wedge
looks fine
radiant meadow
it's fine
mighty knot
seems good
golden narwhal
Ye
hollow shell
Cool
Xanderdragon's multiplayer sugg?
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/699359022364491868/737201323447025694
golden narwhal
Seems valid
hexed spade
what
ashen warren
Fuck
radiant meadow
what even is First Fractal?
violet dagger
iirc it made an image of your character fly towards the enemy
frail mantle
could alternatively just make the thing obtainable in normal gameplay but at that point it'd probably be future content don't
ashen warren
I changed my suggestion to something even worse....
wooden wedge
future content
wasn't it scrapped
hollow shell
Hmmm
frail mantle
it's unobtainable iirc
hexed spade
i hope that calamity will make it obtainable
loud kayak
There's remnants of the code left for it, but you cannot actually get it
hollow shell
Pretty sure Amidias's "Help" dialogue tells you what is immediately available to you @ashen warren
wooden wedge
zealous ridge
vanilla devs have said that it's still work in progress which implies it will be obtainable at some point which is weird because zenith already is that
frail mantle
yea it exists as an item, you just can't get it in normal gameplay
zealous ridge
or was that retconned
loud kayak
When did they say it's a work in progress?
ashen warren
Pretty sure Amidias's "Help" dialogue tells you what is immediately available to you @ashen warren
@hollow shell really? I never payed attention to him since uh he died in the middle of a boss fight.
zealous ridge
i saw it on the wiki mightve been inaccurate
hollow shell
He'd move back in if you had a house for him
wooden wedge
isn't post ML extremely linear
ashen warren
He never spawned again
hollow shell
Have you killed Desert Scourge in that playtrhough
loud kayak
It's only linear in the sense that most people only do it in one order
zealous ridge
yeah its linear but its arranged pretty differently from hardmode and pre-hm
ashen warren
isn't post ML extremely linear
@wooden wedge not for me i spent a few weeks without the wiki or youtube trying to figure out what to do
wooden wedge
you have to kill a giant clam for amidias
ashen warren
Have you killed Desert Scourge in that playtrhough
@hollow shell its the first thing i did
hollow shell
That's odd, then.
If you kill both DS and the Giant Clam he should be able to move in
wooden wedge
if he doesn't respawn that's a bug
hollow shell
yeah iunno what happened
zealous ridge
well, its not entirely unfounded i think
hexed spade
don't
zealous ridge
but it could use reformatting
wooden wedge
might've been the old TML no NPCs thing
hexed spade
for new sugg
wooden wedge
@stark iris read the don'ts doc
zealous ridge
it is a do not
hollow shell
You've got Forbidden Circlet and Daedalus armor in that same tier which you can use
zealous ridge
and yet here comes forbidden circlet rearing its ugly head
a rogue helmet piece for a vanilla armor
hollow shell
(what's wrong with Forbidden Circlet?)
hexed spade
why does everyone hate the forbidden circlet sprite?
radiant meadow
I swear to god if that vanity argument springs back up
ashen warren
What biomes does the calamity mod have upon world creation that arent vannila?
zealous ridge
im not talking about the damn sprite lmao
hollow shell
#calamity-mod-talk for that prolly
(Sunken Sea, Brimstone Crag, Sulphur Sea, and Abyss)
stark iris
@wooden wedge frick I wrote rogue as rouge when looking for it in the doxc
radiant meadow
there was this one instance where someone complained about the sprite
wooden wedge
red
frail mantle
circlet is donor
radiant meadow
circlet also is nerfed on several fronts next update
zealous ridge
i dont much care for the sprite but its not my least favorite part of the item
hollow shell
so
what's wrong with it
zealous ridge
alright uh let me collect thoughts here
the reason i dont like it very much is because i feel it is a poor answer to a lacking point of progression, and it clashes with the set it's referencing/representing
also that it was broken at one point
but its getting changed in that regard
hollow shell
@ashen warren Astral Infection starts in hardmode. It has its own grass and stone and stuff
ashen warren
Naturally spawned upon world creation is what i mean
radiant meadow
we have a non patron answer next update
radiant meadow
patron just happened to go first
zealous ridge
leinfor's looking set i mean
hollow shell
Okay
New biomes are a Don't though (listed in the Don'ts doc, in pins)
radiant meadow
you'll see
frail mantle
the jungle temple
hollow shell
He lived in the Jungle
frail mantle
he's currently on vacation though so he's not there
hollow shell
(that's one way of putting it)
frail mantle
ashen warren
Where could he be now then since he has massive armies there are no sigms of armies or castles or empires
zealous ridge
probably would be cool to ask in lore talk
hollow shell
Calamity lore canonically happened a long time ago
Game takes place after his empire collapsed
and yes, #lore-discussion
zealous ridge
if this is related to your biome suggestion then its not changing the fact that its a dont
well
i dont mean to sound abrasive when i say that
sorry
your queries would be better for another chat
hollow shell
Aight anyway
Xander's multi sugg, fine?
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/699359022364491868/737201323447025694
zealous ridge
i guess thats fine to post?
idk i dont know how to improve it but at the same time idk if it will really be popular
i say leave it to the people
and we'll see if it gets any traction
hollow shell
Indeed
WIP suggestions no longer show up in the main channel
hollow shell
Since April
zealous ridge
so like around 3 months
ye some relatively recent changes
a lot of low bar suggs are filtered out now
tropic yoke
I'm the guy who got almost every suggestion sent to the dev server and only ever had 1 suggestion actually get suggested.
hollow shell
Ah so you're everybody?
zealous ridge
okay
hollow shell
tropic yoke
Imagine unironically using Discord notes.
hollow shell
(New sugg system been a rousing success best we can tell, the amount of stars voted on suggs almost doubled)
zealous ridge
alright so this next sugg
hollow shell
Indeed
ViralMelon's summon sugg fine?
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/699359022364491868/737205564215656511
zealous ridge
the summoner prioritization
i dont know how i feel about it
its basically asking "fix what red didn't fix"
which by all means calamity has done before
idk, do you think it's viable, rover?
to change lock-on AI like this
i dont think you're a coding guy when it comes to this though i might be better off asking someone like ben
mighty knot
rover tends to spot obviously-impossible-to-code stuff pretty fast in my experience
if it's not viable, the suggestion will probably be rejected
hollow shell
.. I have no idea how the summoner targeting reticle is programmed
At worst, implementing this sugg would involve directly editing/overwriting every vanilla summon AI
mighty knot
is that good or bad?
hollow shell
Uh yeah that's bad
mighty knot
:l
hexed spade
rover is in the game
plush iron
So does every suggestion, as long as it meets a certain quality, go to voting?
zealous ridge
pretty much
if theres feedback that we have someone will likely ping you about it
usually rover
they handle most things here
tawny garden
rover isn't multiple people
tawny garden
they
plush iron
Oh no, I was just making sure I didn't do something wrong, like, I unno, I had to ask to put it up for voting or something.
zealous ridge
they was more a gender neutral thing but i guess i know hes a he
if we really gonna be talking about semantics
sturdy geyser
they can be used as a gender neutral singular pronoun
plush iron
Also isn't 170 stars kind of a really high number?
tawny garden
it's not
plush iron
I'm seeing good suggestions in here that just aren't reaching good numbers
hollow shell
170 stars is by no means too high
zealous ridge
its big but reminder that there are like 100k people in this server
hollow shell
We're considering raising it, even
tawny garden
77K
hollow shell
Right now over 60% of all posted suggestions are reaching 170 stars
zealous ridge
well still fuckin massive
hollow shell
We want that to be at around 20% to not inundate the devs
plush iron
I see.
balmy jay
Right now, there are theoretically 24,000 people online, though practically most of them probably don't interact with this server at all
tawny garden
there are 400k members in vanilla terraria server
zealous ridge
the fuck
hollow shell
We used to be bigger than vanilla
That was before vanilla became an official Discord partner
zealous ridge
well im gonna talk to my numbers guy because CLEARLY he lives in the past
tawny garden
@plush iron maybe you could explain in your sugg what the Rogue improvements mod actually does
cause I don't think everybody is familiar with it
hollow shell
I've never heard of it
tawny garden
^
wooden wedge
or maybe leave it out
tawny garden
radiant meadow
stealth is changed next update to be better if you build for it
plush iron
Hmmm...
Like, much much better, or just kinda better? Because right now, from my understanding, it's practically useless. No offense, it's just what I've heard.
I've asked multiple times.
balmy jay
I mean to me I feel like stealth would be basically the one thing differentiating rogue from ranged/melee
plush iron
It feels kind of weird to me that a core mechanic of the class is not useable or defining to the class at all.
balmy jay
Well yeah because to get the most use out of it you have to stand still
plush iron
That's what i'm suggesting get removed, the standing still part.
Stealth would build over 3 seconds as long as you aren't attacking.
I've been playing this way for a bit now and it's quite fun, although the mod slightly overtunes some other aspects of rogue
I'm getting like, 210 damage critical strikes with the victide rogue weapon lol. Some adjustments need to be made, but like I said, I'm having fun.
balmy jay
@radiant meadow I don't see anything in the changelog that says the system will be changed outside of "all rogue weapons will now have stealth strikes"
plush iron
I might just turn up the difficulty
tawny garden
#changelogs isn't always accurate
hollow shell
(unfortunately.)
tawny garden
sometimes Ben tells us things
radiant meadow
The changelog is still covers a lot. It's just not perfect and it won't ever be.
plush iron
Ben, if you don't mind me asking, is this a small or large boost to stealth, and how soon can you build into it?
I feel like such a central defining mechanic of the class should be permeating throughout lower levels too
tawny garden
(it might be better if fab grants you write perms there)
mighty knot
wow rover's in the game
tawny garden
where?
wooden wedge
in the changelogs
tawny garden
holy crap
violet dagger
wonder what's its going to do
tawny garden
approve suggs
violet dagger
you hit an enemy and then it approves their suggestion
tawny garden
no, if you hit an enemy it edits the wiki
violet dagger
hit an enemy to activate visual editor for wiki
violet dagger
that's the joke
crude geode
Whenever a suggestion is in the dev server, it deals bonus damage.
violet dagger
yes
hollow shell
Yeah I pinged him and am awaiting
mighty knot
aight so the targeting suggestion is a no, right?
or are we waiting for another dev?
hollow shell
I spose it can be approved and later get rejected due to difficulty in the dev server
It'll at least be seen by the devs then
radiant meadow
I mean, they have telegraphs next update
waxen pine
true
hollow shell
They do, and they're quite obvious
violet dagger
ye
waxen pine
guess ill just live with it for now, deleted
violet dagger
its going to be hard to not see a bunch of smol lasers across your screen
crude geode
Also, laser walls do have a Telegraph in the form of the sound of the laser wall being “fired”, iirc.
zealous ridge
a preemtive telegraph to that is probably what they mean
like a sound effect for dog becoming transparent
waxen pine
by the time you hear that tell it's already too late to be running if you're in the air
crude geode
(Either way, it’s got a telegraph next update so the convo is over)
zealous ridge
im not sure how its gonna work out bc i havent seen it
hollow shell
You'll see, it's neat.
zealous ridge
apparently its more like eol's blade attack
hollow shell
(and, s'been long enough for this)
MrAsianMan's Wyrm & Squib sugg fine?
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/699359022364491868/737208260020666439
zealous ridge
sure
im fine with more drops from them
i mean it isnt the most needed thing
its enough to cover every class
waxen pine
sounds good to me
zealous ridge
but to follow in reaper shark's current theme i suppose its fine
like having at least 2 weapons excluding riv
wooden wedge
not the first time a bunch of suggs that're basically the same are in posting,,,
zealous ridge
its just gonna happen sometimes yeah
theyre technically different
still similar in reasoning and execution
wooden wedge
maybe not the same but the same general topic
zealous ridge
yeah
that's not really a problem imo
it might just be at most redundant
the method of fixing the problem is different in a few ways
sour's focuses on the fact that standing still for rogue stealth is kind of really fuckin difficult
so they opt to remove that restriction from it
viralmelon's opts to keep the staying still thing, but you dont lose stealth when attacking
it just builds at a potentially slower rate, or it freezes the bar for a hot second before resuming
so you can wait for a more opportune time to use a stealth strike instead of just opting to not do it because you need to deal damage and waiting around would be a waste of time
hollow shell
so uh, what should we do with the suggs?
Should we approve Viral's now and.. delay Sour's as much as possible so there's a healthy distance between em?
(gonna do it anyway)
Is AquaNathan's Prov drop balancing sugg okay?
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/699359022364491868/737288019081429054
hollow shell
It is a new wep
Also yeah true
@woeful lantern Can you provide boss kill times with both weapons, compared to other weapons which are more viable?
zealous ridge
thats what i was thinking
because i found stabber to be an all round improvement
its also one of the few options pre-polterghast that only costs 1 minion iirc
might be fatally wrong about that
dapper coral
i've never really used bombardier myself but i've heard it's insanely good for CVoid and SW compared to everything else, which is fine because there are other weapons that are better for Signus and DoG
but i never considered it bad at all so this is a bit surprising to me
dapper coral
yeah
zealous ridge
im not surprised its bad against sig because the projectiles are probably too slow
and it used to be godmode against dog but thats a good thing that it's nerfed
because a prov drop shouldnt be the best weapon against dog
maybe that was okay before polter was added
because everything prov dropped was great against dog at that point
dapper coral
yeah
basically polter drops and post-polter abyss drops are good for doggo
but anyway, killtimes good
woeful lantern
I mean i'll try but its currently 4:28 in the morning so cant really atm, just thought i'd check here cause i cant sleep
hollow shell
ah
cobalt pewter
@hollow shell I just saw #changelogs , and apparently you're in game now? 
hot wind
oh god, rover is in the game
violet dagger
cant wait to use him to approve my suggestions
hollow shell
It is time to enact said power
W.D. Cipher's sugg okay?
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/699359022364491868/737320188206252122
violet dagger
looks good
rose latch
👍
dapper coral
yessir
dapper coral
is that your sugg approval call? like you say shazow and then magic happens
hollow shell
Yes, precisely .
hollow shell
please no
dapper coral
violet dagger
I'll feel scammed if rover in game doesnt make that sound when you use it
radiant meadow
you'll be scammed then
cobalt pewter
oof
violet dagger
hollow shell
dapper coral
is there a reason that statis void sash can only be made with nightmare fuel and not endo energy?
according to the wiki
radiant meadow
thematics
dapper coral
wdym, like nightmare fuel is related to void sash?
radiant meadow
the exact discussion https://gyazo.com/de8bf4a8fbd4d95e04575042acb1cd03
dapper coral
inb4 people suggest to add Endo
you heard nothing from me
but that makes a bit more sense
thanks Ben
dapper coral
pretty quick imo
heady storm
Ben pulls the ultra clairvoyance.
dapper coral
ben is crystal ball confirmed
midnight crag
what spaces of the game have a lack of bosses in them more-so than other points?
violet dagger
Boss suggs are a don't
midnight crag
Alright, noted
violet dagger
And for rn I think calam is taking a break from bosses
midnight crag
Yeah, I could see Zeroc being a tough break, taking lots of effort and time to do lore, sprite, attacks, AI, etc... I understand where that's coming from
fossil pumice
do people not like the summoner suggestion? the targeting has always been what's turned me off the class, i'm interested in the problems people have with it
violet dagger
Wait for a week
Sometimes suggs barely make the cut
If it doesn't in 1 week a resugg usually works
oblique moss
I think something should be done about spawning astral infection, because it spawning after beating the WoF feels weird
hollow shell
Elaborate.
oblique moss
I'm thinking maybe bring back the Astrageldon Slime, but change it up a bit
hollow shell
We aren't doing that.
oblique moss
K
wide flicker
Yeah, things that were removed, were probably removed for a good reason
hollow shell
Astra's reason being that it was by far the most forgettable and uninspired Calamity boss
People only started caring about it after it was removed
oblique moss
Ya makes sense
void kelp
[[Abandoned Slime Staff]] also exists
red stormBOT
oblique moss
Are you taking boss suggestions for it
wooden wedge
read the don'ts doc
hollow shell
We are not taking boss suggestions, no. Boss suggs aren't allowed.
There is a doc in pins telling you what you can't suggest
wooden wedge
@split stag yeah do that, 2 Suggs in 1 is a don't iirc
hollow shell
Yeah that last bit is completely unrelated
split stag
Yeah, I was debating that, but most important is Provindence anyways. I'll edit that.
sand umbra
someday I will pitch Aureus Luminite for the like 22nd time but this time for actually
hollow idol
Aureus honestly does need something post-ml since he gets all the stat buffs but only gets one new drop
and jelly bean is rev only iirc?
sand umbra
yeah
though, then again, so are the buffs
personally the post-ML buffs to various bosses, at least to me, has always
midnight totem
I know I literally just got here, but just pitched post-ML Slime God luminite
sand umbra
felt out of place.
hollow idol
Buffing an entire boss to another tier for a mount
it was understandable for fragments, but now fragments are gone
ashen warren
is no one going to talk about my sugg for waterwalking being toggleable for boots?
hollow shell
Your suggestion's reasoning could be stronger @midnight totem
You just kinda have a lore 'maybe' and a few extra drops
sand umbra
(sounds good to me, Riri)
both Aureus' buffs and the Bloodstone boss buffs have always felt off, honestly
it feels like a cheap excuse to add a new drop to a boss you already proved you can fight beforehand
hollow idol
has like
ashen warren
yeah
hollow idol
any "buff x boss to another tier for new drops" suggestion ever been implemented
hollow idol
Like crabulon shroomite
ashen warren
the only thing you get from aureus after ml is just a mount thats mainly used for cheesing
ashen warren
btw why does astrum aureus have a 20% chance to drop a hallowed key according to the wiki
sand umbra
because Calamity has no Hallow boss
midnight totem
I used Sus Jelly for Yharon charges but that’s kind of it
hollow idol
BuT wAIt pRoViDence
sand umbra
we're not having this argument for like the sixteenth time
vocal grotto
From what I'm getting at, it seems like boss things sometimes are just sprung up by Fab, but when it's a sugg (meaning every dev is able to pitch their views on things), things become a bit more... restrictive.
split stag
The Jelly is really good against Yharon tho
Like I think it is the only reason why I seem to have a chance to nohit him.
vocal grotto
In terms of Aureus and these boss buffs in general, I think that it'd be a good idea for them to be more unique in some regards, yeah.
Give it a new attack, or even a new phase. Or even better, make a new miniboss or something that fufills the role that boss is holding.
sand umbra
my thing of it is
midnight totem
Aureus shows up Post-Scal with laser walls
sand umbra
if you buff the boss to be harder after a certain point
like, with new AI and shit
wouldn't it be more effective at that point to just add a new boss instead
split stag
Honestly, regardless of pre or post ML, Aureus needs a buff. It's just shoot, jump, then burst, compared to PBG, Siren + Levi or Golem.
As in a new attack
sand umbra
rather than having the player fight the same opponent with some new shit tacked on because you're later in the game
ashen warren
exo aureus
vocal grotto
I honestly agree. I'd rather we not shoehorn an old boss into a new mold when we could make new things that can be changed without altering the original design of something that already existed.
sand umbra
byeah
distant gyro
aureus buff is only there for bean now
vocal grotto
Bean is technically a dev item iirc tho, so that's a weird situation
But then again, the dev in question has moved on to my knowledge
distant gyro
ye
midnight totem
Bean and fragments, yeah. Not sure what else to add given Aureus already has weapon drops and the key
distant gyro
couldve remove aa buff
hollow idol
aureus frags were removed
sand umbra
fragments died
distant gyro
and relocate bean to somewhere if possible
midnight totem
Rest in power, must not have realized I guess
ashen warren
honestly there are quite little post ml bosses and more would be welcomed
distant gyro
but zigs dead
sand umbra
anywho yeah
ashen warren
like, the jump from provi to polter to dog is too quick
sand umbra
tl;dr bean boss
or bean miniboss
probably miniboss because Deus is literally right before ML
thank you for coming to my talk
hollow idol
sounds like an astragel trojan horse
sand umbra
shhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
ashen warren
bring back astrageldon slime
sand umbra
oh my fucking god
sinful steeple
No
vocal grotto
A miniboss just for one item seems a bit weird
Nuclear Terror exists but shhh
sand umbra
byeah
sinful steeple
Nuclear terror should be expanded imo they're a really cool enemy but are basically irrelevant
vocal grotto
It has another unprogrammed thing iirc
split stag
Squid has Halibut cannon tho
hollow idol
post-polter acid rain material
vocal grotto
I'll likely work on it for the next update
midnight totem
Nuclear Terrors look awesome yeah, would love to see something on the Acjd Rain front
sand umbra
on one hand I want to push for more Mauler love
but at the same time the sharks that can deadlift Golem are at the same tier
and have like 6 fucking drops Halibut notwithstanding
hollow idol
@signal robin read the pinned doc
split stag
@sand umbra 
hollow idol
thorium bard weapons are frequently suggested so they dont need to be suggested more
sinful steeple
sand umbra
they're frequently suggested because Bard is the best Thorium class by far
polar grove
will xeroc wings require luminite in the next update?
im asking because i wanted to write up a sugg for that
hollow idol
What if calamity bard addon, brought to you by the creators of calamity flamethrowers and calamity yoyos
midnight totem
Since frag drops from Aureus aren’t a thing any more, I had to reconsider my suggestion a bit. Thanks for pointing that out to me, I honestly hadn’t noticed at all
golden narwhal
For the water-walk toggle sugg, reasoning's weak imo, since there's only really one problem which can be negated with bubble blocks (yes, I read the whole sugg, don't think slowdown isn't too detrimental especially since regen and dash)
whole sedge
Yeah for the water walk toggle sug it just sounds kinda pointless to me as that's one small problem that can be completely migated by bubble blocks and a well timed dash and if you don't need honey that time then just jump over it 
hollow shell
Kotiklap your suggestion is way too specific 
tawny garden
Yeah, remove the second part of your sugg, KOTIKLAP
golden narwhal
Reasoning?
rose latch
1 sentence suggestion
hollow idol
Ethereal Tailsman and Elemental Quiver : (
distant gyro
ye
hollow shell
@fickle cedar You need a reason. Also, elaborate on what you mean/want
midnight totem
Sorry for getting too specific, honestly just really enjoy that boss fight and want to make a good case for it
ashen warren
I reckon it's not hard to make waterwalking for boots toggleable either way
since toggleable accessories are already a thing
golden narwhal
It wouldn't ... but is it necessary
That would lead into more of those situations with other accs when it isn't necessary
fickle cedar
Thanks for that
hollow shell
You don't need to give examples for what the accessories could do (unless those effects tie in specifically to why they would be good for that tier)
Also, you should at least mention Elemental Quiver & Ethereal Talisman
fickle cedar
Oh yeah I know there in the game, but I feel like they could add more for their class. For melee and rouge there are other options that you could for that class.
golden narwhal
Wait, does melee have more than one new acc?
fickle cedar
Not a new one, but they have more options for that stage of the game.
midnight totem
That’s what I was thinking actually, I find quiver and talisman to be just as good as any other Post-DoG attacking accessories like Ele Gaunt or Nanotech
sand umbra
I think the thing of this sugg moreso lies in the fact that those mega-accs for each class are usually all you get for variety
and past that it's generally the same acc setup every time
fickle cedar
Yep
sand umbra
there's really no room for experimentation because everything you can experiment with is in one acc
(this is something I've been meaning to address as a sugg or even just at all for a decently long while because it's a big thing that really hurts the late-game experience)
more accessory variety late-game would absolutely be appreciated, methinks
hollow shell
I also thinks.
If only this was just Hollow Knight, where every accessory you pick up is just as viable & effective at the end of the game as in the beginning.
but alas 😔
tawny garden
charm*
sand umbra
alas, it was not meant to be
hollow shell
(ik, just makin a more direct comparison)
fickle cedar
Wait I just realized that your a dev
hollow shell
Yeah
fickle cedar
woah
hollow shell
The sugg channels are where I live.
fickle cedar
Never expected me to talk to one of you guys
midnight totem
Oh fun! Hi there, hope you’re having a good one
tawny garden
you can talk to fab
he's usually in gentalk
anyway this is offtopic
fickle cedar
Thanks for all the effort you put into to this mod, we all appreciate it a lot!
hollow shell
Thanks (and thanks 👍). I'm having a late one, I ought to go to sleep soon.
But first
midnight totem
Lol, fair. I should probably sleep soon too
hollow shell
It sounds kinda useless but iunno, we could see if people agree via stars
wooden wedge
Looks valid enougg
tawny garden
yea, valid
fickle cedar
Sure
sand umbra
valid indeed
hollow shell
Aighty then
golden narwhal
Not really necessary, but yea, maybe valid
midnight totem
Valid ye
hollow shell
aaand @ashen warren Your suggestion asks for a new biome, which you're not allowed to suggest.
You can think of some way to rephrase or redo your suggestion to accomplish what you want, without adding a new biome.
(or you can delete it, whichever you prefer)
tawny garden
(if the toggle is visibility for that sugg, it's gonna be annoying)
hollow shell
And with that, I sleep.
If I'm not awake by the time Sour's sugg is almost dead, get some other mod on the case. I think it's fine but it should be put off for a while to be distanced from the other stealth sugg in voting
Cya
golden narwhal
Gn
golden narwhal
Also a frequently sugged iirc
tawny garden
also I don't think that new class suggs are even allowed
wooden wedge
Buffing other mods classes is frequently sugged?
golden narwhal
Thought there was something about bard
tawny garden
- Thorium crossover content (such as Healer/Bard items)
the very last sentence of the doc
whole sedge
yeah was gonna say isn't crossover content and such not allowed to be suggested 
wooden wedge
I don't even know what this sugg is about
From reading it over and over again it looks like it was supposed to be posted in the thorium discord
midnight totem
It’d be a lot to implement as well right? Or would suggestion don’ts not apply there?
wooden wedge
I mean if it breaks one don't the rest that it breaks doesn't really matter, since it's still breaking a don't
midnight totem
Ye, got that part
If there’s nothing egregious abt the current state of my Slime God sugg I should probably go to sleep soon
woeful lantern
i tried some dmg tests with the blissful bombardier and dazzling stabber staff(no adrenaline), bombardier took 4 minutes to kill weaver with 10k dps in 2nd form. elemental blaster took like 2-3 with an average of 15k dps. other ranged weapons were around 12k. void was actually quite nice killing it in about 2 minutes. other ranged weapons didnt do so well except seadragon which reached similar dmg and time. signus was also meh, blaster took like 1m 45, while bombardier finished at like 2 minutes 10 seconds.
dazzling stabber staff however really sucks. i only recorded dmg instead of time and god it was bad it barely hit storm weaver reaching only 8k dps, axe on the other hand reached between 15-20k dps on weaver 2nd form. axe did way better against all 3 sentinels, dagger does like 8k if and only if it can hit cause it misses a lot, 2k dps on signus while axes reach 5 to 6k and plague jets reach even up to 12k.
hollow shell
(hi I'm still here)
That's good information, you can add it to your suggestion.
woeful lantern
hmm ok
tawny garden
(hi I'm still here)
hollow shell
Nice
Do we think AquaNathan's sugg is good for approving now? then I can really sleep
#suggestions-posting message
midnight totem
Can attest to bombardier needing some help and Nathan’s got the receipts I’d agree to that
hollow shell
(Sleep? And just let the suggs die!? 
)
flat trench
please fix all the boots after angel treads, i mean, basicly angel treads when you start walking you immediatly get fast but after them, all the boots need time so you can move fast, please change that, i want it to be so you immediatly fast.
polar grove
wrong channel
also you might want to read up on formatting for when you actually post the sugg
it goes like this
title
reasoning (explain why you want this in the game, and no just wanting it really bad isnt a valid reason, give actual examples as to why it should be added)
you dont actually need the > things btw
golden narwhal
Isn't that just a need for movement speed to accelerate, or...
cobalt pewter
The proper formatting:
Main Point
Sensible Reasoning
polar grove
a bolded title isnt required, the bot can do that for you
flat trench
I JUST WANNA START MOVING FAST IMMEDIATLY OK (sorry caps i dont want to type this agian)
polar grove
it just makes it look nice
flat trench
sorry i am bad at typing these thingd
golden narwhal
You could use a dash
flat trench
@golden narwhal ik but it is anoying
cobalt pewter
Also if you want stupidly high speed straight up, mod it in yourself
It's usually not balanced
Even with Calamity's standards
polar grove
i dont think its that
im guessing he takes issue with how you require runup to get to max speed with tracers, but not with treads
golden narwhal
Not entirely sure how acceleration works (because of dash), so my assumption is that you need alot of movement speed
polar grove
it does seem to be a bit odd how thats done though
frail mantle
tracers and treads having instant acceleration just sounds like it'd feel really janky to move around with them on
polar grove
maybe just faster acceleration instead of instant
ember charm
Can you talk about changes in this channel or not?
frail mantle
it's better to discuss upcoming features in calamity mod talk
frail mantle
no worries
ashen warren
I think hes talking about invincibility (not frames) in sub 4 when not dashing
cobalt pewter
Maybe invincibility between subphases?
Since those are quite long
I'd say make that a death mode change
craggy urchin
before I make this suggestion, are there already a bunch of suggestions for making cal clone not be super weak after prov even after the buff to stats
unreal viper
@stray wharf Please elaborate more on what you mean by yharon's invicnibility frames.
hollow shell
afaik nah there have not been any post-Prov Cal buff suggestions
There was one to give her a new item drop but that's it
tawny garden
((how tf did you only sleep for 6 hours))
hollow shell
((
))
tawny garden
was just 10 stars shy of the requirement
but it didn't reach dev, so I don't know why I even mentioned it
but, apart from it, none
ashen warren
@unreal viper he meant that when yharon shifts to another subphase, he gets immunity for a while
hollow shell
That could be clearer in the suggestion yeah. It doesn't even mention phases
ashen warren
tbh imagine using anything with slow firing rate fr yhrn
tawny garden
how long ago should the sugg cutoff point be?
cause it's 8 months old now
which is a lot, I think
ashen warren
170?
craggy urchin
ok ill make a sugg about making cal clone buff more significant
craggy urchin
Make Calamitas Clone buffs after Providence more significant
Currently, Calamitas post-Providence is incredibly easy, and allows the player to get large amounts of bloodstone with minimal effort and faster than other methods. The boss is simply not able to pose a threat because her attacks are balanced around the player having mid hardmode-tier movement, but they are very simple to avoid with everything you have access to after Provi.
In terms of changes to fix this, adding attacks would be an effective way to mix up the fight. If that's too much of a commitment, even small changes such as speeding up some of her attacks would make a big difference
(Note: This is only changes I want to Calamitas after providence is defeated, none of these apply to the original)
any feedback before I post?
tawny garden
you could've just posted in posting
hollow shell
(Are Brimmy and Ravager buffed in any way beyond stats?)
craggy urchin
oh yeah this applies to other bosses
hollow shell
wdym
craggy urchin
Philo I wanted to make sure it didn't suck before I posted it
because one time I made a suggestion and deleted it instantly because someone told me why it was a bad idea
However I feel like cal clone suffers most from not being a threat at all after a buff
tawny garden
(Are Brimmy and Ravager buffed in any way beyond stats?)
no
hollow shell
You could change your sugg to "Buff the AI of the Post-Providence Bloodstone bosses, especially Calamitas Clone", if you feel like the other bosses need buffs too
Not necessary I jus think it'd help the case a lil, instead of makin Cal be the only one with any functional buffs
tawny garden
maybe with emphasis on cal still
hollow shell
(yeah that's why I said "especially Calamitas Clone")
tawny garden
Sour's sugg is dying
hollow shell
Not soon enough
tawny garden
2 hours is pretty close
craggy urchin
ill probably edit it later on
hollow shell
aight
weak reef
For the one suggesting cosmolite bullets, I think it only makes sense. Arrows keep upgrading post providence with bloodstone and vanquisher arrows, so why not bullets?
weak reef
That's neat. Design looks like it may have like armor piercing qualities or something though I have no idea how to balance such a thing.
Or just make them have a heal chance like the bloodflare arrows
craggy urchin
ranger does not have many sources of armor crunch debuff currently
I mean melee and rogue get armor crunch on every weapon
hollow shell
I suppose so
craggy urchin
or maybe it will inflict brimstone flames
ancient crow
when bloodstone bullets do make it in, they'll probably have to nerf holy fire
violet dagger
Next update you won't need to clear out large areas for many bosses
also if u want more explosives get fargos mutant with boom shurikens and have fun
hollow shell
I think this suggestion is fair enough.
violet dagger
ye
wooden wedge
I mean post ML you also have the DCU
violet dagger
but DCU is pure trash
wooden wedge
Have you ever used it?
untold cargo
Dcu is slow
frail mantle
it's not that slow tbh
violet dagger
once you use improved drill mount you can't go back to normal DCU
frail mantle
i prefer to use it over pickaxes when i'm excavating a large area
untold cargo
I’d rather use dynamite than dcu
frail mantle
well that's because luiafk drill mount is nyoom as all fuck
dcu is more easily controlled than using dynamite, i feel
untold cargo
Dynamite clears a quicker
frail mantle
i dunno, i personally think the DCU is aight for what it is
violet dagger
I usually mark the border of the arena out by digging with a pickaxe(drills suck#pickaxegang) and then use whatever's available, boom shurikens, IDM, dynamite, (universal collapse)
untold cargo
Universal collapse is the best at making arenas
violet dagger
yes
violet dagger
can it face the mighty chest with items in it tho(probably)
untold cargo
yes it can
weak reef
For not world obliterating arena making I just use a pickaxe, smart cursor, and make sure to be riding a five tall mount
hollow shell
(aight cool it's time to approve Sour's sugg now)
weak reef
Yeah especially with later bosses like yharon or providence, good luck staying still long enough to get any use out of it.
hearty yew
tawny garden
don't kill him