or graycheck
#suggestions-discussion
dapper coral
thorny jungle
☑️ ☑
rose latch
blue check is only if it was delivered before right?
dapper coral
Yea
rose latch
why is the title Maybe make a channel that has no necessary topic on it, or a second general
ashen warren
wdym
thats the suggestion i have
i may have formatted it weirdly
im really tired atm
rose latch
remove the maybe
ashen warren
i just put it because i very often find myself having a conversation with people in the help and advice channel about stuff thats off topic but theres no real placde to actually talk without being in a area flooded with messages constantly
zenith hazel
second general talk is basically general media, somewhat
ashen warren
yes, yes, but theres always some guy there that'll go "hey thats offtopic"
if its even dipping its toes in the offtopic seas
dapper coral
So basically an ‘offtopic’ channel
For things that aren’t really related to much else
ashen warren
thats actually
dapper coral
I mean, yes? But the issue in a large server like this is that the flood sort of follows in most general-type channels
ashen warren
a better description
ashen warren
at the end of the day, dms DO exist
but
i'd rather not dm every person i want to have a quick conversation with
lol
ashen warren
If money is the least of the concerns, why does it matter if it gives 50% or not?
more money isn't a bad thing
lol
don;t tell me you want to farm for money
ashen warren
i understand that it needs to be treated like a real resource
but with that pov
arma shouldn't drop 6 bags
because thats money heaven
and to be fair,
it really shouldnt,
but eh
there will always come a point in a run where money just doesn't really matter anymore as a real concern
distant gyro
i would make a suggestion to how arma works too but idk how
ashen warren
reforging is the only thing that takes alot of money the entire run
i feel like arma should just give like
2 bags
hollow idol
arma drops alt treasure bags which drop no money 
hollow idol
you can a lot from the flat money
distant gyro
what if 5/6 bags in arma only occurs if you haven't defeated the boss before
ashen warren
pretty neat
distant gyro
otherwise it just gives you 1 extra bag
dapper coral
Are you sure? I usually get platinums from 6 bags from arma
Unless they all drop in the first bag
ashen warren
im not necessarily sure
they could also just, like,
make the items that drop from the extra bags have no/significantly lower value
sell value, i mean
so you can still use it to farm for items
but not abuse it for money
the only time farming for the items with arma would matter would be when said boss is relevant
which means at that current time doing it hitless would be atleast a challenge
distant gyro
byeah
rev boosting money just seems like a massive relic to when rev did barely anything
and it needed a bloat mechanic to make up for it
ashen warren
what about just like
10% more money
to atleast slightly reward for the challenge
5% is small enough that it might aswell just not exist
but 10% sounds alright to me
distant gyro
this takes up a full line in revengeance's massively inflated tooltip btw
tawny garden
Isn't bubsuki's sugg a don't?
ashen warren
a whatnow
ashen warren
i forgot about that
mb
i am incredibly tired
i just read that i can do discord suggestions in the channel topic and went loose
frail mantle
what don't does it break 
tawny garden
The true offtopic channel one
frail mantle
that's more about meme channels i think
distant gyro
it sounded more like "second general"
tawny garden
It should be reworded then in the doc
ashen warren
i just feel like a second general of sorts would spread out the people using general a little more
so it would be more talk friendly
distant gyro
general talk 2 electric boogaloo
tawny garden
It would yeah
There is too much people there at the same time
ashen warren
i've seen it backfire like that in a server
it just depends on how people decide to use it
tawny garden
general talk 2 electric boogaloo
That'd be gentalk 3
Cause rn the gentalk is the second one
The first one was killed in cold blood
thorny jungle
general talk 3: now its personal
hollow shell
I don't think this sugg breaks that Don't (it's not asking for memes), but I do think it could be adjusted
gen-talk and gen-media don't have set topics, but his wording implies they do
radiant meadow
we already have two general channels without set topics, ye
we don't need a third
hollow shell
(I can understand the high amount of activity concern, though.
Scrolling back it seems like gen-talk has been active non-stop for about the past 3 hours)
sturdy geyser
would "items that help speed up arena building" break a suggest don't
hollow shell
No
sturdy geyser
oh okay thanks
tawny garden
It'll be a bluecheck iirc
void kelp
It’d be a bluecheck, no?
tawny garden
Spider sugged that
tawny garden
It'll still be beneficial I guess
hollow shell
Also @west jackal about your Acid Rain sugg, I would also make the argument that the Acid Rain restricts you out of drops from SulphSea enemies until you clear the event
(Diving Helmet, Turtle Shell, Gatligator, etc)
small talon
That will automatically become a feature once Tmod gets updated to 1.4, thats was added to the vanilla game in 1,4
no use in adding it right now
hollow shell
Oh is it? Didn't know that mounts got changed like that
ashen warren
same
small talon
Yeah it is, very helpful
idk if you will have to add support for it to modded mounts though, idk how the flight works
all i know is it is infact a now vanilla feature
hollow shell
It's not on the wiki, lemme go ask the Terraria wiki boys about it
small talon
I could send a clip of it right now if you want to see if in action
hollow shell
Sure
hollow shell
Cool, thanks
I'll show this to them too
Anyway
Do we think ChadLad's sugg is fine?
#suggestions-posting message
sturdy geyser
I would say so
distant gyro
ye
sturdy geyser
I'd say yes
quick ice
Sounds good, but I don’t really see why it should have a longer fade-in and spawn to the side
hollow shell
Double assurance
If he just spawned to the side with no fade-in, he could still snipe you with a claw
quick ice
That’s fair then
sturdy geyser
not getting cheap hits is important
hollow shell
We can still fix vanilla things theoretically
but, yeah it'll inevitably come with tMod 1.4
tawny garden
Pbone said that it still happens in 1.4
hollow shell
(yeah hang on we're still fact-checking that)
Alright, clarification
1.4 only fixed it for Rocket Boots and their upgrades.
Wings still get reset.
So, Riri's sugg is valid and will continue to be
@small talon Just so you know ^
small talon
Really? i swore i remember it worked with wings on the last char i played
hollow shell
Bluenebula's sugg good to go?
#suggestions-posting message
void kelp
Ye
violet dagger
yes
hollow shell
Aight
west jackal
I edited my suggestion to add what you said
hollow shell
Could be elaborated on a bit more imo, but ye thanks
tawny garden
imo rev delay could also be increased
hollow shell
iirc it's reduced way down from 30 seconds in Expert+ when Calamity is installed
tawny garden
and then death delay increased even further
ye, in expert vanilla delay is 15 seconds, or 30 seconds if you died while a boss is alive
dapper coral
that feels excessive tbh, although i agree with the statement behind the numbers
having to wait 45 seconds to respawn seems not fun
hollow shell
(somehow Cal's respawn timer change isn't on the vanilla changes page. I'll fix that)
tawny garden
people say that it makes multiplayer more balanced
hollow shell
Multiplayer respawn boss cheese is the thing that makes multiplayer very unbalancedly easy
dapper coral
what if instead, the player just couldn't respawn while a boss was alive
hollow shell
^
dapper coral
or they died to a boss
tawny garden
demik, sugg that
hollow shell
Also, crud. Found it.
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/684227404775817216
dapper coral
ah, rejected
tawny garden
darn, that was Rejected
dapper coral
well uh
hollow shell
... do it anyway
hollow shell
Actually uhh
tawny garden
spam the dev server with similar suggs
hollow shell
maybe it's not a good idea to do it right after this other guy's @dapper coral
dapper coral
oh that's true
i'll wait till evening (i've just woken up now) to see what happens with this one then
hollow shell
Keep it on the backburner until the sugg gets approved and the votes on it plateau a bit
dapper coral
aight
hollow shell
imo
hollow shell
yes
tawny garden
((good morning btw Demik))
what should we do with this one? https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/699359022364491868/736334933387247708
dapper coral
(morning)
hollow shell
I don't know
dapper coral
is it borderline SIS? i'm not really sure what this falls under
tawny garden
considering that the perf pet is a patreon item
hollow shell
No, I would not say it is
The point of concern is because of the fact that the Perf one is a Patron item
dapper coral
oh, if it's a patreon item then the consistency argument falls out the window
hollow shell
(the reasoning is also smol)
tawny garden
the reason is basically only "consistensy"
dapper coral
yeah i'ma say that it wouldn't happen because patreon items defy consistency
and even then consistency is a weak argument for the pet imo
hollow shell
@remote summit
tawny garden
now that I think about it
a second gentalk would actually be bad
cause both would have to be moderated
and it'll basically double the work on gentalk
robust lava
Regarding the Hive Mind pet, won’t some sort of vanity pet/mount be added for Master mode anyway if Calamity decides to follow vanilla?
balmy jay
I believe an announcement was made that Fabsol is not going to be working on master mode at all
robust lava
Wasn’t that in terms of balancing it?
tawny garden
ben said that changes may be made to it
there's a pin in caltalk
fab said that he won't be fixing it
adding small bits of content != fixing
remote summit
I see
ashen warren
Relics and pets will be also accessible in Revenegence
hollow shell
^ indeed
Also, do we think the Acid Rain sugg is good now?
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/699359022364491868/736290057610068189
dapper coral
what do they mean by aquatic enemies? i don't remember any of them spawning in the acid rain
hollow shell
I guess that's meant to imply only the non-Aquatic sulphur sea enemies would spawn during the rain?
Either that or it's just a non-sequitur observation
robust lava
Do they mean the enemies that have similar colour schemes/designs to the Aquatic Scourge wouldn't fit because they're blueish, while the Acid Rain is more brownish, so enemies like Trashers etc. would fit better?
hollow shell
Yes that is what they mean
dapper coral
oh
robust lava
Imo that could be made a bit more clear in their description
hollow shell
@west jackal That bit about excluding the Aquatic enemies isn't necessary, s'just a weak point of specificity and almost serves as an argument against your own sugg
(I have your suggestion saved if you want to repost it, ooferman)
cobalt pewter
Add a post DoG bullet that is crafted from Cosmilite Bars.
The reasoning for this is to give a bit more bullet variety in post ML. At that point in the game, you'll always most likely go for Holy Fire Bullet, which isn't bad per se, but it's just post ML variation of venom bullets.
The gameplay design can be whatever, but I have one idea in mind: Say the name of the bullet is Big Bang Bullet. Each bullet hit will add a stack to an enemy that lasts for a very short time. This timer reset when the same bullets hits the same enemy, adding another stack at the same time.
If the stack reaches maximum or the target dies, a cosmic explosion will initiate on the enemy, dealing damage scaling to amount of stack applied beforehand. The explosion can also hit nearby enemies.
This might be a risky sugg
So I wanna yeet this here first
lmao
cobalt pewter
Ah
gray nebula
👀
hollow shell
Yeah everything after "I have one idea in mind:" is SIS
cobalt pewter
Alrighty then, I'll just keep the concept in the back of my mind 
So I guess there's no need to post that
Thanks anyway
hollow shell
Okay.
You can still post a non-specific version if you want
dapper coral
^
cobalt pewter
Eh ig I'll do that then
hollow shell
ye
Not much to say beyond "more bullet variety post-ML"
which is a valid and fair reason so it's fine
Last bullet is at Prov, you're stuck with em all the way to BR
distant gyro
your credibility is lost as soon as you've said rav weapons are subpar
hollow shell
@steep crown "his weapons are subpar" This is easily fixed, you can suggest they get buffed
distant gyro
no
wooden wedge
why buff weapons that're already strong?
distant gyro
the joke is that all of them are getting nerfed because they were too op
ultimus was killing cultist in 8 seconds
steep crown
I always found them rather underwhelming, I'll remove that part
hollow shell
(Spikecrag in particular was mega OP iirc)
wooden wedge
and that's why it doesn't work anymore
distant gyro
realm ravager killed fishron in a minute and so did hema
spikecrag is lol
cranium is the only balanced one 
hollow shell
"TL;DR: There's no real reason to fight ravager 1 except for grinding."
Except for, yknow, the weapons
distant gyro
and blood pact buff is upcoming
steep crown
Still, My other points stand. His tier is overcrowded, He's too similar to the boss that comes right before him, and his lore doesn't match up
radiant meadow
not sure how putting him next to sentinels would fix it
distant gyro
eh
distant gyro
sentinels are also overcrowded
radiant meadow
and prov drops
steep crown
Oh wait, forgot that OD was also Sentinel-Tier
distant gyro
prov, sentinels, polter, od, dog is the order
steep crown
So, Both sections are overcrowded. Bit of a dilemma
radiant meadow
OD is post polter
distant gyro
ye
radiant meadow
sentinels are pre polter
distant gyro
calamity bosses usually are spaced between a vanilla boss and another vanilla boss
radiant meadow
post polter and pre polter are pretty different in power scale iirc
distant gyro
ravager actually fits that space
radiant meadow
- public handheld tank
hollow shell
Doesn't the living Supreme brother start shooting out Dart rings when the other dies?
Or do they both do that all the time
tawny garden
the title coulfd be more descriptive
rose jewel
They are still really easy to dodge
hollow shell
Title line could indeed be much more descriptive
"one brother left dodging "
que?
zealous ridge
i can infer that they mean the other brother get a buff in the scal fight when one dies
im imagining something like the trigger twins from gungeon
but ye
tawny garden
hmm, I've just thought about this
what if they behaved a bit like the twins?
they would change phases at some point in their HP
and both have to be in second phase before you can damage
zealous ridge
that line is strangely phrased
untold cargo
It’s saying there’s one brother dodging ur attacks?
zealous ridge
dunno it would probably help if that was clarifieed
earnest vine
I think the second could just have different attack pattern when the first one dies so that you cant just stay there
zealous ridge
well, philo, the problem here is that one brother is easier to dodge than 2
like, way easier
hollow shell
@rose jewel "Supreme Calamitas Brothers/one brother left dodging" is still not very descriptive.
Your main line should have what you are suggesting in it
zealous ridge
so as soon as one bro goes down you can just wait on cooldowns
forcing both to take some damage before that helps slightly
but you can still wait out cd
like draconic
and i guess currently the various revives on auric tesla
tawny garden
that's why they if you lowered the HP of one of them to x% you won't be able to damage it until the other one is lowered to x% HP
(under my idea)
zealous ridge
well, now both of them are at x% health
but you can just burst one down and wait for your cooldowns and dodge the single brother easy
tawny garden
Oh no, tier shift sugg
radiant meadow
polter basically acts as a divider between two tiers tho
rose jewel
I edited the title is it better
earnest vine
The best solution is probably buff the second one when you kill the first one
radiant meadow
post polter weapons are typically significantly stronger than pre polter weapons
hollow shell
Cats
Your main line should have what you are suggesting in it
That bit after the "/" can be in your reasoning (kinda already is)
steep crown
I mean, 8 Bosses is just too much for one tier
radiant meadow
because it's two tiers
hollow shell
It's not necessarily one tier
radiant meadow
that's like saying there's too many bosses between plantera and moon lord
tawny garden
non-linearity™️
zealous ridge
for all intents and purposes that's true, ben
hollow shell
You can go straight from Prov to DoG yes (next update. currently you gotta go through sentinels)
just like you can go straight to uhh, Skeletron, or EoW
zealous ridge
post golem more specifically but its still crowded pretty heavily
radiant meadow
the point I'm trying to make is that you can't group more than one tier into a single tier and pin the blame on that
tawny garden
straight to WoF*
steep crown
Even then, If you count Polter and OD as a separate tier, Sentinels still has like 6 bosses
radiant meadow
and the brimstone bosses are far from mandatory
you don't have to fight them all
you only need to fight one to get bloodstone
hollow shell
(Also if you're counting all the Bloodstone refights as their own bosses, then this is the solution: https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/725018944565542912 )
radiant meadow
or just hang out in the crags and fight none
zealous ridge
yes
bloodstone enemies/even a unique boss (although i doubt that will happen immediately) would make the current bloodstone refights not needed at all
hollow shell
Bloodstone minibosses
zealous ridge
ye something like that
hollow shell
Actual hard post-ML enemies that aren't bosses
zealous ridge
please
radiant meadow
but not now
hollow shell
(I'll add it to the Trello 
)
zealous ridge
i understand that ben
but for the long term i think it would be healthy to remove these refights
radiant meadow
perhaps
zealous ridge
the tier right after provi is agreeably crowded
radiant meadow
but considering all 3 bosses to be mandatory is a flawed idea
zealous ridge
well no one said they were mandatoryu
we said they were 3 bosses that didnt need to be refights
steep crown
I've got a long rant in the video I'm Editing right now about why They're bad and a reverse power trip.
And yeah, Not every boss is mandetory
zealous ridge
perhaps that could be clarified
radiant meadow
grouping them with the sentinels and calling it crowded shouldn't be a thing imo
since you're not intended to fight all the brimstone bosses
rose jewel
Should I keep the idea I added in Scal brother about Moon Lord hands
rose jewel
K
balmy jay
So I guess that the auric tesla Cuisses buff is infeasible?
zealous ridge
well now we're conflating mandatory and intended
radiant meadow
while bloodstone minibosses would be a cool idea as a replacement, parts of the reasoning in your suggestion I feel are flawed
balmy jay
Because it just feels really weak for that stage of the game
hollow shell
Ye I was thinkin earlier, killing one brother could cause it to become ethereal instead of dying, continuing to attack like normal, and they both disappear simultaneously when both are killed
tis an option.
hollow shell
Kinda yeah
radiant meadow
oh no
zealous ridge
except better than that because ragnarok is worst boss hahayes
zealous ridge
the revenants do suck balls
radiant meadow
zealous ridge
ragnarok is like the worst thorium fight
i think its agreeable to say post-provi is kind of crowded, in any case
there are a lot of overlapping weapon tiers, at the very least
and while that not be the worst thing it is kind of stand-out
steep crown
I mean, the sugg seems bad If you cut away Polter, OD, and Bloodstone bosses. Just like a suggestion to cut down Late-HM will look bad if you cut away Deus and Duke. If you just start cutting away bosses based on subjective things, then of course a suggestion to cut down an overcrowded tier will look bad
zealous ridge
especially since these sets individually cover each class
balmy jay
But I mean yeah my idea is probably bad
The alternative would be to give Drew's wings/celestial tracers innate hover
Which is eh
zealous ridge
that wouldnt be terrible
i mean, maybe instead of being part of the boots it be a seperate wing accessory
auric tesla hoverboard
balmy jay
Now there's an idea
zealous ridge
thats a specific item idea
earnest vine
or just another hotkey lol
zealous ridge
but its an idea that i think is worth exploring
zealous ridge
hover doesnt really need a hotkey i think
then again i dont think dash needs a hotkey and people strongly disagree about that
so idk
anyways, forsaken
i think we're focusing too much on the bosses here
there's more to consider when talking about an overcrowded tier
how about the fact that there's divine geode weapons, sentinel drops and drop crafts tier, uelibloom tier, bloodstone weapon tier
all overlapping each other with weapons from each class
hollow shell
(Prov drops and Divine Geode weps being technically separate)
zealous ridge
yeah, the divine geode weapons usually need unholy essence and uelibloom so i consider them technically different
prov drops are the earliest of that
sort of like predecessors to divine geode items
steep crown
I mean, Bosses are usually the best indicator of an overcrowded tier. More bosses = More stuff to make them actually bosses. I usually try to avoid weapons and Armor in my Sugg's, Since Whenever I try talking about them, I End up Being wrong. Bosses are more my Strong suit
zealous ridge
i think that this tier is overcrowded
i dont know if that's because of the bosses
i really don't think there needs to be 3 buffed bloodstone bosses
for instance
but its not the whole story
theres several overlapping tiers here as well
but, i have to ask if its bad enough to consider it bloat
or should this just be the item density standard that all post-ml tiers should have, but aren't at currently?
steep crown
Bloat and overcrowding are two different things
gray nebula
què
steep crown
Bloat is just too much Unnecessary stuff
zealous ridge
...?
gray nebula
maybe you shouldnt say that the whole post provi before dog is a single tier
idk its kinda abitrary
steep crown
Overcrowding is too much stuff, period.
zealous ridge
that's a really thin line that i dont think is really worth clarifying
gray nebula
I'm still confused 
zealous ridge
if it's too much stuff, doesnt that make it unnessecary?
for my intents theyre the same thing
hollow shell
I've got a funky question
steep crown
It really comes down to a solution. To fix bloat you scrap stuff. To fix overcrowding you move stuff. Bloat is more redundant content, Overcrowding Isn't redundant, its just too much
hollow shell
Should Uelibloom be moved to post-ML instead of post-Prov
steep crown
That makes Lunar armors Useless
zealous ridge
well, not exactly?
hollow shell
Tarragon armor does not necessarily need to be moved too
wooden wedge
not really
steep crown
Oh, I thought that He meant moving the entire Package
zealous ridge
its just the items get moved to before providence
it would be a similar deal to current bloodstone
hollow shell
Some stuff would get shifted around and some stuff would stay
zealous ridge
where the armor is post polter and the weapons would be post-prov
hollow shell
but almost all of the raw Uelibloom Bar crafted items would be post-ML instead of post-Prov
Which would help shift em out of "Sentinel tier"
steep crown
I mean, That would probably Hurt the Current Early-Ml items
zealous ridge
i feel like the problem with that would be the obselecense of elemental tier items, kind of
not just lunar armor but the galactica items too
hollow shell
They would presumably all be viable for Prov just like Ueli and Bloodstone are equals currently
hollow shell
hmmMMmmm
radiant meadow
tarragon throwing darts would need like a massive nerf 
zealous ridge
yeah i was thinking the nerfs would have to be heavy
hollow shell
Of course.
zealous ridge
thats kind of why i was thinking it be post-guardians
radiant meadow
but I guess people can shut up about no viable yoyo for prov
hollow shell
But it wouldn't also be competing with Sentinel drops and Polter drops and Abyss weps and OD weps
technically
for DoG viability
radiant meadow
sentinel drops are balanced to polter
so they don't really compare to the other 3
zealous ridge
btw totally still holding out for the profaned biome LOL
hollow shell
There's just
really not much between ML and Prov currently
thorny jungle
um
zealous ridge
and so i ask that yall make an epic profaned biome to explore hahayues
thorny jungle
have you sent the suggestion with 174 votes?
hollow shell
Have patience
thorny jungle
ok
zealous ridge
ye sending isnt covered by the bot
radiant meadow
for ML to Prov:
there's elemental set, various luminite crafts, and moon lord drops (these suck bar last prism)
for Prov to Polter:
there's prov drops, geode crafts, uelibloom, bloodstone, sentinel drops, and sentinel crafts
for Polter to doggo:
there's polter drops, abyss weapons, stratus set, and old duke drops (+ gamma heart)
hollow shell
Well
There's "Uelibloom" and "various Uelibloom crafts"
steep crown
Indiana Jones steal the Profaned core to piss of the Guardians. Natural spawning and exploration 🧠
hollow shell
Not as large as Luminite, yes, but they are notable
radiant meadow
there's less of those than various luminite crafts
Pretend they're geode weapons even if they don't use geodes 
I don't even remember what uses uelibloom but not geodes except spyker, aquatic dissolution, and true tyrant's ultisword
there's plasma rifle ig
hollow shell
ye Plasma Rifle
Memetar Rounds
Grax
and uh Alpha Virus but that's Bloodstone
zealous ridge
ye its bloodstone and uelibloom so its weird
radiant meadow
I don't think mortar rounds are for combat
radiant meadow
spyker is really just bootleg uelibloom gun
I think it's more live under a rock than on the edge.
hollow shell
Live under a rock that's on a cliff
zealous ridge
living under a rock with mortar rounds sounds like a terrible idea
think of the damages
radiant meadow
that's why there's not many of them
rose jewel
Biofusillade
zealous ridge
kind of
i consider it uelibloom tier because all it is is a generic material and bars
if spell book were a weapon it would make more sense but spell book is not a weapon
hollow shell
Anyway
Is the Seafood sugg valid?
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/699359022364491868/736402121573924945
violet dagger
yes
dapper coral
sure
placid cloak
looks good
hollow shell
Cool
How bout MrMagolor's?
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/699359022364491868/736407501557202944
It won't be straightforward but it might be possible
violet dagger
yes
dapper coral
i don't see why not
tawny garden
yea, valid
hollow shell
Alright then
@split stag If you could elaborate on your suggestion more, that'd be nice.
More on why portals/rifts would be fitting for him (lore), or anything else you can think of
dapper coral
also maybe getting rid of the bit about having them at spawn, since that's kind of a reference to another sugg
hollow shell
Oh
"Basically the suggestion to have those when he spawns" that's what he means by that?
If that is indeed a reference to another suggestion then yeah you need to remove that
tawny garden
the reasoning is kinda nonexistent
or if it exists, it's not great
because that is when he is visible while uncoiling
this doesn't make a whole lot of sense
((also I literally thought for a second that Equazcion made a sugg here, but it's just Catsrule256's pfp is the same as his))
hollow shell
((The pain of using pfps that aren't tailor-made for you. Unlike mine ))
dapper coral
(the power of using a screenshot of a single frame of Bleach as a pfp )
unkempt bolt
you realistically only need to fight one of the buffed hardmode bosses post-provi
ravager for cotbg mats or calamitas because easy
and i’d honestly count all three sentinels as one boss since separately they don’t compare to a full boss
not to mention bloodstone already having another way of being obtained
that being a 50% drop from many enemies in the brimstone crag
quiet elm
Whoever put the “remove shark fins from crafting recipe of seafood because it takes too long to farm shark fins” has clearly never heard of a shark statue
unkempt bolt
a boss shouldn’t be much more tedious to summon just because you got unlucky
loud kayak
Sharks aren't exactly the most difficult thing in the world to farm, but I do understand the complaint. But outright removing it from the recipe sounds more like a workaround than fixing the main issue of sharks being hard to spawn and farm
My incredible pedantic issue with it is that by removing the shark fins, then the recipe is just Sulphourous Sand and Starfish. And that doesn't sound like it would make a very appetising recipe for a seafood dish
hollow shell
I've got an idea
Add "Any food" to the recipe
(such as in this recipe: https://calamitymod.gamepedia.com/The_Camper)
loud kayak
Personally I'd say "Any fish" would make more sense, but making fishing be a 'mandatory' thing feels a bit weird
hollow shell
I'd be fine with that actually
dapper coral
i don't understand, isn't it already Any food?
loud kayak
Nah, Shark Fins only
hollow shell
dapper coral
ohhh for seafood. i thought Rover was talkin bout Camper and i got confuse 
hollow shell
nah, I was using that as an example of Any Food in action
tawny garden
ah, I got confused and thought you were suggesting stuff for the wiki
dapper coral
ultimate confusion
ancient crow
ok that auric hover sugg would be AMAZING
neat citrus
I've always agreed with forsakenOne's suggestion
ancient crow
i would just go with the second option
maybe turn bloodstone into an ore that generates in hell once provi dies or something
steep crown
Or make it Miniboss dependent
ancient crow
then again, we already have a provi ore
steep crown
Or something other than Cloning Previous bosses
That just Does not feel good for at least 4 reasons
golden narwhal
Eh, I like having to fight enemies/bosses for bloodstone
Tho yea, could be something more unique to bloodstone itself
steep crown
At least make it Unique, Rather than just Previous bosses with more health/Damage
golden narwhal
Tbh, I'd still keep the buffed bosses, since it's a nice way to introduced new loot (clone is excluded from this afaik)
ancient crow
ok that make some sense
hollow shell
(Didn't even know True Eyes dealt contact damage)
steep stream
that's why they are anoying
hollow shell
I always stayed as far as fuck away from them as possible
golden narwhal
They honestly don't need to
dapper coral
actually i think ravager is the one that doesn't make sense for bloodstone
violet dagger
ye
dapper coral
brimmy and cal both come from the crags
dapper coral
she was in a different faction iirc, and then when her family got yeeted she torched brimmy
hollow shell
Brim and Cal are both directly related to Brimstone, how bout that
dapper coral
yeah
hollow shell
Ravager is not directly related
But you can't have a material named "Bloodstone" and not have it dropped by Ravager
waxen pine
true eyes ramming me has been a real annoyance doing DAD
steep stream
huhye
golden narwhal
Annoying when it does happen
dapper coral
they really shouldn't have contact damage in the first place imo
golden narwhal
Yes
waxen pine
that could also work
steep stream
yos
golden narwhal
Would also fit with the various ranged enemies having no contact next update
dapper coral
indeed
steep stream
that would be cool
waxen pine
changed it
ashen warren
Sounds great
hollow shell
smh imagine adding future content to your suggestion after not having it initially
MrAsianMan you're a bad influence 
golden narwhal
golden narwhal
That'd prolly work
waxen pine
boom changed again
golden narwhal
Seems good
hollow shell
aight that's better
waxen pine
literally just got rammed again
loud kayak
Would making the Any Fish suggestion seem like I'm trying to undermine the already approved suggestion?
hollow shell
Keep it saved somewhere and post it when that sugg's a bit older
loud kayak
Alright fair enough
craggy stratus
sentinels tier boss is indeed crowded
but polterghast is getting an ai change so we have to see about moving it
hollow shell
Ah yes I see
violet dagger
yes
tawny garden
is that vanilla?
tawny garden
(ffs I can't even ask a shortened question 
)
k, try again
Is this behavior of the True Eyes of Cthulhu a vanilla one, or was the AI modded?
violet dagger
It looks modded the charge
tawny garden
(seal, use your brain please in future)
violet dagger
Ok
ashen warren
wut
idk about you but asking "is that vanilla" in a server about a mod, at least to me, means that you're asking if that is modded or not
dapper coral
yeah, that wasn't clear at all, Philo
tawny garden
like, I could see that you're playing modded, so I wouldn't ask about that
but ok, sorry
real steppe
Polterghast and most other Post ML bosses can be fought non-linearly
For example, Yharon is technically pre Providence, as you can get his spawner once you killed Dragonfolly
Iirc
waxen pine
true eyes are at least changed in calamity
their cycle resets when another eye comes out so they’re synced which is pretty genius ngl
ashen warren
Its annoying that some eyes stay once you kill ml though
gleaming pumice
Anyone else think demonshade should give stealth
radiant meadow
you can get stealth if you equip the eclipse mirror
it just doesn't have stealth at base
cobalt pewter
Speaking of ML
I accidentally spawned ravager while fighting ML the other day
I killed ML alright, but apparently ravager killed me and ML despawned in the middle of its death animation
like
Bruh
hollow shell
It might be and it's just not documented
I dunno the details but that sounds like a bug
anyway
I been meaning to ask (and I think I did ask but I don't think you saw my message)
@ashen warren What is "a channel that has no necessary topic on it" if not #general-talk?
Cuz, you say "or a second general", implying that general-talk has a necessary topic
hot wind
wooden wedge
why would you need a second gentalk when the first one isn't that active for a server with this many members
limber ocean
pretty sure the active server population is a very very small percentage of the total member count
so that big number means little
hollow shell
@ashen warren You can edit the suggestion you know
Anyway do we think Altix's sugg is fine?
void kelp
ye
wooden wedge
it's valid but I don't want it in
void kelp
as are many suggestions
wooden wedge
looks fine
golden narwhal
Seems good
golden narwhal
Think it's valid
hollow idol
@pastel jewel Yeah no.
Lul exists and Calamitas lore exists (Which you were probably implying) so that “suggestion” is pointless
cobalt rose
white mountain
Ok
dapper coral
In the pin about suggestion legend, what does it mean by moderator channels under the star emote? Do Suggs get sent there as well as dev server?
Cuz idk but I don’t think I’ve heard of Suggs being sent elsewhere from dev server
golden narwhal
Think it's for server suggs
ashen warren
astral infection is getting those breadstick pillar structures in the next update right? If not, they better add it to add more atmosphere to the biome. Similarly to how corruption has chasms
ashen warren
I meant how corruption has chasms specific to only that biome, astral infection could have the astral pillars specific to its biome
this but make them actual blocks
untold cargo
That would be really hard and kind of glitchy
Cus astral biome isn’t world generated
golden narwhal
(Side note: p sure those are just monoliths)
untold cargo
It’s made from when a boss is killed or solutions
tawny garden
Cus astral biome isn’t world generated
all world changes like that still happen inTerraria.Worldgen.cs
but worldgen changes are indeed hard from what I hear
tawny garden
@magic grove that's a don't
tawny garden
suggestions about making early-game bosses harder aren't allowed
magic grove
Well, I removed it.
hexed spade
what was it
ashen warren
cant imagine doing scourge on the ground actually
magic grove
Not on the ground, with platforms.
magic grove
what was it
@hexed spade Making it so Desert Scourge can't be cheesed, just like how 1.4 made it so you can't cheese King Slime.
Rows of platforms, not a big rope.
It makes the fight easier, doesn't count as cheesing.
ashen warren
never heard of using ropes before
magic grove
The boss can still get on the platforms
Well, a big rope with a row of platforms at the top
ashen warren
if you just put one big platform over the desert he literally cannot reach unless he's at like 10%
ashen warren
by one big i mean like 20 blocks off the ground
magic grove
I removed the suggestion
ashen warren
lol
magic grove
void kelp
@magic grove that was attempted but it’s incredibly broken in multiplayer
magic grove
Alot of stuff in Calamity is broken in multiplayer, it's really annoying.
tawny garden
the good thing is that an Invisible Dye mod exists
magic grove
..oH hElL yEs
tawny garden
with it, you can hide that thing
magic grove
Jeez, alot of stuff I want to suggest are either A: A don't. Or B: Broken in Multiplayer.
distant gyro
ye
quick ice
Besides potential difficulties in implementing this sugg, why would you take away people’s choice like that?
distant gyro
that's like telling you to patch a save scum hardcore character backup in case you die
quick ice
If people want to leave the game to avoid a random boss spawn in Death mode that’s their choice
distant gyro
which i don't think is possible
unkempt bolt
i mean it’s not like you’re being punished for leaving, intentionally or out of your control
tawny garden
still, I don't think it's cowardness
unkempt bolt
i feel like the sugg should be restricted to death
because random boss spawns are death’s thing
in addition to death being hard because hard, not because fun
it’s not like anyone would suggest “allow us to prevent boss spawns by saving and exiting” were the situation reversed, it clearly isn’t an intentional design choice
void kelp
@still cliff
read above for feedback
people should be allowed to play the game as they like, and similarly to leaving a world on a hardcore character before you die, it’s the player’s choice on that
heck, for natural boss spawns, you can already avoid them naturally in vanilla without save scumming in some cases
sweet urchin
pls add sky giants with wings as boss and you can get there giant wings and fly To max height ez
tawny garden
no
void kelp
[[Drew’s Wings]]
red stormBOT
hollow shell
Feedza's sugg fine?
#suggestions-posting message
void kelp
I think it would count as frequently suggested?
hollow shell
It was a common SIS but that was a long time ago
Closest one we got: #suggestions-voting message
quick ice
I’d say they’re close enough that this one could be classified as frequently suggested
hollow shell
(You mean a bluecheck or added to the Don'ts doc?)
quick ice
Blue check since a sugg in the same topic was delivered
Sorry for not being more clear
hollow shell
Not exactly the same but we could make it work in the dev server I guess
hollow shell
aight
tawny garden
although the sugg has different reasoning
void kelp
although bloodflare bullets are incoming
hollow shell
That's true Spider
(spoilers, GS bullets are coming too
but we had higher priorities and never got around to it)
tawny garden
(don't know why, I'm not a ranger)
hollow shell
How we feelin about TheForsakenOne's suggestion?
terse sundial
I'm not opposed to moving things around, I think though they are overexaggerating. The bloodstone boss buffs are completely optional
void kelp
Technically the bloodstone bosses are asides
hollow shell
indeed indeed
unkempt bolt
i think the sugg is valid though entirely unnecessary
void kelp
kinda want that post-ML nonlinearity change to be more of a thing but it’s such an ordeal
gray nebula
also i dont understand why they just choose to say that post prov pre dog is a whole tier when tiiers arent even defined anywhere in the game anyways, couldnt you just say that there are more tiers inbetween 
sturdy geyser
I think tiershifting isn't needed for this
terse sundial
Polter won't get tier shifted, but I agree with killing bloodstone bosses
hollow shell
@steep crown You really should mention the Bloodstone bosses in a different way
Multiple people have mentioned that treating them like full fights isn't correct
terse sundial
sturdy geyser
you should have options for things to do at every point in the game
unkempt bolt
bloodstone already has non-boss ways of obtaining it, so the bloodstone bosses are just options
tawny garden
btw
saying that post-Providence, Pre-DoG tier is overcrowded is like saying that post-KS, pre-SG tier is overcrowded
(ok, I am exaggerating)
quick ice
That’s a big exaggeration, yeah
unkempt bolt
most people divide it provi-polter
sturdy geyser
I think the real problem is that there is a lack of things to do at other stages of post moon lord
sand umbra
yeah
tawny garden
solution: add ordinary enemies
quick ice
Sure, but do the 3 buffed versions of Hardmode Bosses add anything interesting to Post-ML?
unkempt bolt
they’re an interesting way of obtaining a new material
sand umbra
Calamity has never had a big focus on things that ain't boss fighting, but post-ML especially has had a long-running problem of having nothing to do except for that which is for the express purpose of prepping for the next boss fight
void kelp
add more things in the world tbh;;
sand umbra
the HM boss buffs, to be blunt, aren't interesting
void kelp
which is why draedon’s arsenal is gonna b exciting
sand umbra
they're just the same bastards you fought before with beefier stats
unkempt bolt
especially since you might want to fight brimmy and ravager again anyways for their post-ML drops
quick ice
Right now they’re just stat buffs so they don’t feel new
New enemies or at least some changes to these 3 bosses would be a more interesting way of giving options to obtain Bloodstone
distant gyro
hard to come up with something to do after golem that is explorey
because it's just impossible with that kind of mobility tbh
sand umbra
'tis what happens when you have a major segment of the game be after the asinine powercreep of endgame vanilla
hollow shell
New biomes that inflict continuous wing debuffs while you're in them
distant gyro
unless you fuckin curse yourself with a mobility disabler until you break this mobility dingle dongle
unkempt bolt
the only solution i see is a temple-type structure that you can only access after a certain point in the game
distant gyro
actually I believe elements awokened did that with the ice boss
but it had no effect on exploration and therefore a lost cause
unreal viper
Maybe something the requires more precise movement.
distant gyro
nah, the temple was bad exactly because you can fly over the traps
quick ice
Dungeons or biomes that cut mobility bonuses (Mounts, Wings, Boots etc.) wouldn’t be too intrusive if you make the content it them optional
distant gyro
that's why it felt so flat when you explore it
unkempt bolt
not temple-like in that aspect
distant gyro
it had nothing
unreal viper
Like levi's dungeon map meme thing.
unkempt bolt
just that it’s only accessible using the key (supposed to be)
vocal grotto
Well, the temple is more or less irrelevant after you kill golem, bar maybe coming back for some solar tablets.
void kelp
Maybe the presence of CV in dungeon could like.... have gravity work weirdly there?
tawny garden
those are irrelevant as well imo
sand umbra
tbf the Temple is irrelevant even before you kill Golem
there's barely new to obtain from it aside from Golem and you can fly around most of the traps with the meme mobility you have post-Plantera
void kelp
and SW in space has more hostile space environments w/ more storms?
ashen warren
post ml temple post ml temple
tawny garden
make CV actually suck you towards it
hollow shell
(Kinda does?)
ashen warren
in a timely manner
hollow shell
Makin the Sentinels affect their biomes in some way could be neat..
unkempt bolt
icarus folly for the entirety of post-ML 
void kelp
ceaseless void’s unstable presence causes the dungeon to have weirder gravity,.,.,
sturdy geyser
I would say before beating a sentinel their biomes get special effects in them
but this should probably only trigger after provi is dead
void kelp
providence in hell invokes icarus’ folly because you’re in hell god dammit you’re way too close to the sun
ashen warren
what about signus
unkempt bolt
he randomly sends assassins at you
sand umbra
no Signus himself randomly fucking shows up to beat the shit out of you
ashen warren
signus cosmilamps
sand umbra
he's an assassin, he gives no fucks what you did with the summoning item
tawny garden
right when you're around Town NPCs
ashen warren
btw is clonamitas gonna get reworked
tawny garden
and he killes them all as well
sand umbra
(for gameplay fairness purposes this only happens while you're in Hell post-Provi)
ashen warren
I think the whole "clone of calamitas" is pretty silly
hollow shell
That is not changing any time soon, no
tawny garden
lore™️
hollow shell
as far as I am aware
sand umbra
Clonamitas but she uses a variety of powerful spells instead of just funny splitting lasers and occasionally fireballs
void kelp
so,., “add more environmental changes to the post-moon lord world”?
hollow shell
Byeah
vocal grotto
I honestly kinda agree. The idea of calamitas of all things having a failed clone feels a little... strange. And an eyeball of all things. (SCal is the one who'd receive a human sprite, but the clone is staying the same afaik)
sand umbra
you mean to tell me the clone wouldn't even look like the origin article
now that just doesn't make sense, now does it
unkempt bolt
calamitas accidentally turned her dead brothers into eye monsters, so i guess the cloning did the same kind of thing? calamitas magic = cloning tech idk
quick ice
Quantas suggestion seems valid
Would be nice to have a reward for beating Post-ML Cal besides faster bloodstone
sand umbra
I agree
tawny garden
time to invoke my 170 discord accounts
sand umbra
Clone definitely needs a post-Provi drop to compete with Brimrose and Bloodflare Core
void kelp
Philo has alts? time to ban them.
ashen warren
ahahaha change post ml cal to scal
unkempt bolt
and the rest of the cotbg materials
violet dagger
vocal grotto
Honestly, if I could decide, I'd just do away with clone and brimmy having anything to do with bloodstone and move that to its own miniboss or something.
dry latch
^
sand umbra
okay honestly
unkempt bolt
though bloodflare core and flesh totem are the only separate ones worth using
sand umbra
Bloodstone-specific enemies that only spawn whenever Bloodstone is unlocked
ashen warren
cant kill them again when theyre already dead
dry latch
yeah and they just get stat increases. no important change fight wise
hollow shell
That was sugg'd before and it's a good suggestion
sand umbra
why not a sugg on this, you ask? because a sugg on this was already posted. wegud
oh yeah did that ever reach the star req
quick ice
Calamity could use more new enemies and/or minibosses for a lot of things, but I imagine that’s been covered plenty of times here
sand umbra
it did 
dry latch
upgraded blood moon for bloodstones. maybe related to bloodmoon fishing too
tawny garden
bloodmoon fishing future content smh smh
ashen warren
nothing new
sand umbra
makes Bloodstone more interesting/thematically consistent AND gives a purpose to the Blood Moon buff post-ML
dry latch
new bloodmoon fishing miniboss for bloodstone
ashen warren
yes blood moon boss PLEASE
unkempt bolt
remove all post-ML bosses, turn it all into fishing
tawny garden
blood moon did get a buff after ml
it's an unnoticeable one
ashen warren
mini boss*
vocal grotto
Being honest, fishing I can kinda understand, but I'd rather things be put into their own content than shoehorned into existing things.
Unless of course, the blood moon receives actual new enemies
Instead of going to the existing enemies but with 10k health
sand umbra
ye, like
new enemies are introduced, old ones are given some upgrades particularly in the AI department
hollow shell
Moving the Blood Moon buff to post-Prov and having new bloodstone enemies spawn
would be pretty pogg
ashen warren
sounds good
sand umbra
everybody can drop Bloodstone, maybe
vocal grotto
I can get behind that, honestly.
void kelp
blood orbs and blood stone
sand umbra
more blood for the blood
moon
yes. that is how that joke goes
do not question me.
tawny garden
it sucks
(oh, lore wise)
sand umbra
anywho now I am going to: make a suggestion that while (probably) valid will literally never come to pass
quick ice
If we want to talk new enemies, more enemies for the Post-ML Dungeon would also be appreciated
tawny garden
yes
ashen warren
like, ravager is just a super beefed up golem that you can fight RIGHT AFTER defeating golem and it doesnt really make any real connections to anything in calamity
vocal grotto
The dungeon is honestly just... cramped imo
tawny garden
make worldgen changes
vocal grotto
Compatibility says no
quick ice
We’ve got 2 new bosses for that but only 4 enemies, which all come from killing the boring enemies from earlier parts of the game
tawny garden
dry latch
move ravager post ml to coincide with new bloodmoon?
hollow shell
Idear
Outright replace some Dungeon enemies with new cooler ones post-ML, but make them call their original enemy's drop table on death for compatibility purposes
if such a thing is possible
tawny garden
just add drops to it
ashen warren
can post ml enemies especially in the dungron deal less damage before defeating any bosses
quick ice
If that’s doable, I certainly wouldn’t be opposed to it
ashen warren
literally unexplorable
tawny garden
why call the table when you can just UNION
vocal grotto
As of right now, that's probably not possible since most mods just use hardcoded Item.NewItems
radiant meadow
ye
hollow shell
Damn shame.
quick ice
Agh, shame
hollow shell
yeah maybe
ashen warren
if youre going to replace enemies you cant get their banners
quick ice
That already happens with Acid slimes
ashen warren
?
quick ice
Or whatever the HM Acid rain slime is called
ashen warren
oh
sturdy geyser
that happens in vanilla too
radiant meadow
and next update, there will likely be one unobtainable banner because one enemy doesn't spawn without cheat sheet
quick ice
Not anymore Zest
They made things like Giant Worms, Black Slimes etc. spawn in Hardmode for Bestiary completion
pale glacier
Speaking of, we still have no clue as to when tmodloader is gonna update to 1.4 right?
quick ice
Correct
ashen warren
state of the game says to reportnbugs
hollow shell
No concrete predictions at all
pale glacier
Hmm good coms
dry latch
btw where do we put up wiki suggs? by wiki suggs I meant stuff like: "pls add the lunatic cultist lore in the lore page"
radiant meadow
tawny garden
radiant meadow
that's what the channel's for
tawny garden
the bot might mess with Thomas' sugg tho
the "(Ideally, her brothers ..." won't be a part of the title
dry latch
oh wait it is, but I had to open the lore items thing first