so uh what was the verdict on Vlad's?
#suggestions-discussion
hollow shell
Should we approve it and just keep it around as a future plan for when one of our lot becomes a programming god?
hollow shell
I mean
Minion slots still exist
dapper coral
to my understanding, resummoning minions is rather important for summoners
or just in general
so another way to remove summons would have to be implemented to do so
untold cargo
They can
tawny garden
everything else is fine I guess with the sugg
@restive badger minions can't be resummoned/changed/despawned without you removing the buff
dapper coral
fine and valid, just not implementable for a while
restive badger
hmm thats unfortunate
the only fix we could come up with yesterday for that was a second place for unnecessary buffs to go
but that seems like it will be problematic to code
anyway its not a dealbreaker if some unnecessary buffs remain, its more about QoL for late game calamity more than anything else, but it would be nice to see if there was a way to address summoners inherent weakness of one or two less buff slots.
dapper coral
it is what it is, apparently UI is pain to code. for now I think the sugg is fine, perhaps the devs can figure out an alternative solution like combining potions or something
although maybe add what two buffs summoners have to use that other classes dont for #3
hollow shell
(yeah I'm not too sure what the two you're referring to is)
(minion plus.. potions? bewitched?)
polar grove
would it be possible to switch around the priorities of it so it gets rid of just pets first?
onyx river
There isn't one on every armor doe
dapper coral
yea, that's what i thought
anyway, it's got 7 hours yet, no need to edit it right away
unreal viper
@hollow shell Thanks for saving my sugg. I'd have time to edit it now.
hollow shell
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Astral armor one, right?
Give the stats from the astral armor set bonus to the armor pieces.
Astral armor currently gives most of its damage stats in the set bonus. This is inconsistent with other armor sets, as most sets generally give most of the stats in the armor pieces themselves. The lack of stats from the armor also makes it seem much worse than it actually is, which could discourage the use of it by newer players. Having the set bonus give stats is also unnecessary, since astral armor already has a unique set bonus, with stars falling on crits. It seems like the only purpose of putting these stats on the set bonus is to force you to use the full set by making the using individual pieces almost useless. If a player wants to use mixed sets, this limits the player's ability to play the game how they want too.
foggy plover
@formal cobalt deus' spawn method is being changed next update
formal cobalt
foggy plover
it won't matter so ye prolly
violet dagger
new spawn looks pretty cool
earnest vine
yeah
hexed spade
sis?
tawny garden
@ashen warren that's not allowed
frail mantle
nah not sis
tawny garden
adding biomes
wooden wedge
read the don'ts doc
tawny garden
it's a big change
frail mantle
ye
wooden wedge
anyway isn't there already new underground worldgen
hexed spade
yeah
gray nebula
not full on dungeons but still
hexed spade
i was about to mention that
wooden wedge
@ashen warren remove sugg iirc
gray nebula
post and run technique
wooden wedge
@vocal grotto kill sugg
violet dagger
is waiting for sugg yeeting
vocal grotto
Yeah, that's a bit... too much. I'll go kill it.
tawny garden
ty
dapper coral
yoink
violet dagger
happy
dapper coral
thanks Dom
earnest vine
the emotes on this server dont make sense
hexed spade
tawny garden
ā this one does
tawny garden
Jevil
radiant meadow
when has a name being taken from Thorium stopped us
violet dagger
I mean doesnt thorium have a nuclear fury as fabsol's donator item
dapper coral
wait what did we yoink from thorium
violet dagger
other way around
thorium has a nuclear fury since fabsol requested it as his donator item
radiant meadow
Eye of the Storm is an accessory in both Thorium and Cal, they behave quite differently though.
distant gyro
fabled modifier
dapper coral
ah
radiant meadow
Thorium's is like a granite balloon that periodically releases homing projectiles
tawny garden
why isn't thorium listed as "parnered with calamity", when clearly it is
dapper coral
but like, is Carnwennan an excalibur shortsword too? referring to this sugg
radiant meadow
idk
dapper coral
cuz that would be messy if so
time to find out ig
ah
so it's named after Arthur's dagger, but it's a throwing weapon
and heavily resembles excalibur in terms of appearance
in that case maybe carnwennan is not a good idea for the name, since there would be two excalibur-tier weapons named so
restive badger
uh in response to the second buff i was talking about, many of the summoner armor sets grant an additional minion which takes up another buff slot
keen spoke
violet dagger
I remember I had to try out no buff limit mod for scal on my summoner playthrough
buff limit is just dumb
there should be a limit to normal buffs
but debuffs shouldn't count towards it and mess it up
obtuse marsh
I mean, I did rev summoner playthrough and never had this problem. In fact I didn't even knew there was a buff limit
radiant meadow
Would a glowmask help? @shell grotto
shell grotto
not certain, a bright outline would probably be better than a glow due to the color pallet blending so well with the background
or give it more depth with heavier shading? not sure how that works as I am no artist, but I'd think that would be possible?
radiant meadow
Well, I can't sprite crap but I could maybe try and give them a glowy outline later maybe
shell grotto
alright, well thanks, just saying as it is difficult to see the projectiles, I trust your judgement.
pearl osprey
I like this latest one, makes sense too
radiant meadow
pretty sure shellfish staff is nerfed next update
violet dagger
good I remember that video of someone using it against doggo
balmy jay
Oh
pearl osprey
Correct, it isnāt 1.4, Itās 1.4.5 (thatās a joke)
violet dagger
Merk confirmed 1.4.5 will come before tmod 1.4 in the comments
pearl osprey
Ah, I was just trying to be funny, sorry about that
magic elbow
Can agree with Vlad the inhaler on the buff limit, so many times I activated adrenaline or drink my potions and it would either cancel out my minions or my mount. especially when in a arena around buffing candles, campfires, sunflowers etcera
hollow shell
Yeah s'prolly about time to approve that sugg
It was controversial in how possible it would be but it deserves the approval/recognition at least
cobalt pewter
Yeah it is kinda popular to say the least
Anyway
Make Prime's head immune to shellfish clasps (or all debuffs) when his arms are alive
Right now, you can use shellfish staff on his face to get his head down to 66% extremely quickly, making his arms despawn. This allows you to skip the entirety of the arms phase as it only takes like 20 seconds for the clams to do their job.
For this, I'd rather see Prime treated similarly to Skeletron, shit ton of defense, lowered every time an arm is down, and go back to normal defense with no arms
waxen pine
vague sky
do u think its a good idea that magic staff that has the ability to rain down stuff should pass through everything?
dapper coral
which one
vague sky
for example the blood bath
radiant meadow
shadowdrop staff doesn't have tile phasing
hollow shell
(This sounds like it'll lead into an SIS but, continue)
vague sky
i meant this because i feel that it might be troubling when fighting something underground
hollow shell
I see
vague sky
also they should nerf the slime god
ashen warren
golden narwhal
Any reason specifically, or...
tawny garden
Slime God is a perfectly good boss
it's in the sweet spot
It's challenging, but I also didn't die to him
unreal viper
If you want to remove the asinine debuffs, Iād be fine w that.
vague sky
yea that
hollow shell
@rose tundra Can you elaborate on why shooting DoG's head is underwhelming (in your suggestion)?
Also, might wanna adjust your top line a bit if you're also including the lasers as a factor
rose tundra
ok
hollow shell
@spare nimbus No. Explicitly disallowed from suggesting that.
hollow shell
See the pins for a doc on what you can't suggest
spare nimbus
oh ok
rose tundra
I'm not sure how to explain my suggestion other than "it gives off mixed emotions when used"
then again i grinded bosses to get the cosmic discharge before the legendary weapon changes and well the final creation was a lil underwhelming
hollow shell
Alright, this is better
rose tundra
this is my first time doing something like this so thanks for the help
hollow shell
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hollow shell
Do we think the Purified Jam sugg is fine?
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/699359022364491868/735505946519928894
Simple, but gets the point across, imo.
vague sky
Is there a weapon or item dedicated to crabbar
dapper coral
i think it's fine, yea
hollow idol
the "platforms" are table coral
dapper coral
only thing is maybe describing how they cheesed yharon for full understanding of how op it is
hollow shell
Yeah perhaps
dapper coral
bc it's a one-time drop right? so you get like 8-10 once iirc? i wanna know how one uses these extremely limited items to defeat the last boss in the game
hollow shell
@pale plover You ought to elaborate on your suggestion's reason more
exotic ibex
are my sugg is fine?
hollow shell
i.e. Describe how Yharon was cheesed (or at least the gist) and how revoking PhiloStone privileges from it would solve that issue
Yeah I think your suggestion is good Umbra
exotic ibex
nice
neat citrus
Why remove summons from the buff bar? How do you get rid of them then?
I never have problems with too many buffs
hollow shell
I'm thinking you could change "structures" to say "coral" cuz iirc those are the only uncraftable bits
hollow idol
technically the navystone stalactites are uncraftable tiles, but all stalactites are
hollow shell
indeed
exotic ibex
i made a screenshot of all structures that are needed
hollow idol
if a cleaner image without the game bg is needed
too lazy to open a program to remove the white background
real steppe
Agreed
Imo the Philosopher Stone nerf when using Purified Jam is not really necessary
You're using a one time use item after all, and that alone is more than enough to balance the power it gives
I guess
I never have problems with too many buffs
Summoners worry about this more than anyone else
For example, Auric Tesla has the silva crystal and the mechworm, and those take 2 buff slots
rose latch
hollow idol
What would yall think about giving the Leviathan a custom roar? Currently it shares its roar with whats supposed to be one of the most important bosses in the game (Moon Lord)
crude geode
hollow idol
thats a summoning roar
Leviathan doesnt even have a spawner so it has no summon roar period
The only calamity bosses with non summoning roars are: Yharon, Hive Mind, Leviathan, Scal, PBG (I think?) and thats about it
robust lava
Maybe Leviathan will have their roar changed along with the resprite?
exotic ibex
you forgot the perforators
exotic ibex
uh, understood
crude geode
So youāre talking about the roar when it dashes? Or?
hollow idol
Generic boss roar is something I can get behind, but Leviathan reuses its sound from The Moon Lord
Yes
unless she roars at other times, but I havent thoroughly fought her in awhile
crude geode
generic boss roar is not something I can get behind, but thatās a personal opinion thing
Considering that whole fight is getting pretty overhauled soon, maybe not now.
After the update, if it hasnāt changed, then yeah I could see it.
hollow idol
Might ask a dev if it would be a valid sug with the rework considered, because either way, reusing moon roar at all is ugh
crude geode
Personally, I donāt really mind it, but I can see why it would annoy people. Generic Boss Roar is more concerning to me, as itās used pretty much everywhere, with no concern for what the boss is taken into consideration.
Slime roaring? Yeah makes total sense.
Witch Eyeball roaring? Logical af.
But thatās just my opinion.
hollow idol
its just become synonymous with the entire idea of a Terraria boss. I do agree that SCal should probably ditch the roar, but I find Levi a higher priority (Plus it would be the perfect opportunity to have it now to come with the rework (if the roar is kept))
crude geode
Youād have to find out from a dev if itās planned or not then, yeah.
untold cargo
4 words
hexed spade
bruh
hollow idol
whats a biome icon
untold cargo
What is a biome icon
golden narwhal
You, uh, defo need to elaborate
hexed spade
i think its if you enter a biome it will say the name of it
hollow idol
@mint steppe
sinful steeple
That's completely unecessary
gray nebula
what
hollow idol
ibab, will Leviathan still roar next update
gray nebula
uh i dunno
mint steppe
It tModLoader 1.4 is out with Bestiary.
Calamity need Biome icon.
hexed spade
it kinda already does
hollow idol
Calamity isnt on 1.4 yet
gray nebula
golden narwhal
That'll happen when it happens, ig
gray nebula
asking for stuff that will obviously get added when we port to 1.4
its not a suggestion its just a reminder that we need to do it, and cal isnt even on 1.4 yet 
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so you may as well delete your suggestion
untold cargo
Tmod isnāt 1.4 is better to say
mint steppe
Done
gray nebula
yeah tmod hasnt even released on 1.4 either
golden narwhal
void kelp
tawny garden
no, bad
yuh, seems valid
just disagreeable
it could use more reasoning tho
and there is a * at the beginning @pale plover
could you remove the *
untold cargo
Donāt think they are online
tawny garden
they are
untold cargo
Huh for me itās shows they are offline
hollow idol
^
tawny garden
for me it shows that they are in "do not disturb" mode
hollow idol
now it does
untold cargo
Well if they are do not disturb I donāt think they get notified by pings
hollow idol
Im always on DND and get pings
untold cargo
Oh
tawny garden
hmm, could you ping me rn?
tawny garden
and now?
untold cargo
@tawny garden
tawny garden
(hmm, wtf, I didn't hear both)
untold cargo
Maybe cus u were still looking at this chat
tawny garden
yeah
tawny garden
do it again pls
untold cargo
@tawny garden
untold cargo
yes it did
untold cargo
Good idea
cobalt pewter
Idk
Atm void just despawns every fight for no reason
I didn't even get to see it
hollow shell
#bugs-read-pins , if you haven't already?
cobalt pewter
I'll try later (right now I'm caught up in Dead Cells)
tawny garden
hmm, this sugg is a bug workaround?
although that's not how bugs are supposed to be fixed
robust lava
I believe there are boss spawn changes next update, but imo this could be a good fix if that doesnāt work
There have been ābugsā that have been proposed to be fixed via suggs before though iirc, so itās not unprecedented
cobalt pewter
Also apparently void wouldn't spawn in my case because I was too high in space?
I had 2 skybridges, one nearing upper map limit
And when I go down to the lower one, void spawned
odd
tawny garden
yeah, the fight shouldn't terminate if an intermission boss didn't spawn
balmy jay
It's also weird
tawny garden
cause that's just bad design
balmy jay
Whenever I refight DoG in normal the sentinels phase doesn't happen
Or is that intended
cobalt pewter
That's intended
balmy jay
It worked fine the first time
tawny garden
cobalt pewter
The sentinels are only meant to spawn in dog fight if he hasn't been defeated
But that might change in next patch
dapper coral
yeah, the fight shouldn't terminate if an intermission boss didn't spawn
it definitely does, i've had that happen to me before
but what with new sentinels phase next update that'll change probably
tawny garden
and that is a problem
hopefully it's solved
(actually, does that mean that the sugg is invalid cause the stuff that it cocerns will change a lot?)
dapper coral
possibly?
i think that after this update the occurrence of this is going to be drastically reduced
in that case there may not be a need to adjust it
tawny garden
I'd await Rover's word
but Feedza should prolly save the sugg in a doc
until the next update
dapper coral
yea
tawny garden
(oh crap, was a sugg yeeted)
tawny garden
someone needs mobile to grab it
and my mobile cache was outdated
3 days old
so I couldn't revive that sugg
tawny garden
I think spider said that the suggs that were deleted by the bot don't get sent to #delete-notifications
tawny garden
I've said it before
no well-made bot responds to actions from other bots
cause one bot may spam messages and delete them, and that'll overload the bot that stores deleted stuff
tawny garden
(it doesn't)(damn I am confusing)
dapper coral
oh, heisenberg's was the one about removing the minion penalty on demonshade or something
void kelp
yeah the bot doesnt log messages deleted by bots
it only logs messages deleted by users
tawny garden
which bot is it?
void kelp
modnotifs
tawny garden
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violet dagger
no future content suggs
tawny garden
@round hawk read the pins and the doc
ancient crow
future suggs aren't allowed, but that does make a bit of sense
the carton of milk is pretty useless atm
round hawk
Oh no future things? Things that could be done now?
weak field
Future sugg?
whole sedge
yeah
round hawk
Ok my bad
tawny garden
Read the doc
round hawk
I wasnāt sure if it fell under since vanilla update is already known and what the mod does with it is unknown
Got it
tawny garden
1.4 is going to bring tons of pain
cobalt pewter
Tins and tins of pain
tawny garden
A lot of rebalancing, items willbe repurposed
cobalt pewter
God there are so much tins
ancient crow
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but yeah, rebalancing will be funā¢ļø
i'm definitely looking forward to calamity whips tho
round hawk
Iām just sad about all of the old no longer updated mods that will break
hollow shell
byeah this is a future content suggestion, 1.4 is clarified in the doc
tawny garden
(Fucking mobile crappy keyboard š„«)
hollow shell
And lets hope tMod keeps a 1.3.5.3 branch available
round hawk
Mustāve missed the Note2 sorry
ancient crow
modded npcs are gonna need biome/neighbor preferences
round hawk
Do you think itāll be a toggle or like a separate Steam instance of TMod if they do it?
ancient crow
which will totally throw off all the npc layout charts for vanilla
tmod 1.3 will probably go away eventually
hollow shell
Steam has a "Betas" section in each game config for this purpose
wooden wedge
1.3 TML will still exist when 1.4 TML comes out iirc
round hawk
Yeah mod NPC happiness will be weird and you canāt just like make them all love the Dungeon or something because thatās low effort
tawny garden
Rover, a sugg from about a day and 4 hours ago needs to be revived
hollow shell
Purified Jam?
hollow shell
Methinks it was Purified Jam sugg by NefariousN
dapper coral
purified jam does need revival yea
weak field
Yeah it is a good suggsetion
round hawk
And are modded pylons even going to be a thing?
tawny garden
Oh yeah
dapper coral
i would imagine so
gray nebula
yes
dapper coral
although this isn't really the channel for it
weak field
Modded pylon probably will be a thing
round hawk
Mods with a lot of NPCs will need a lot of rebalancing and stuff because there arenāt enough biomes for all of the pylons and stuff
weak field
Though I don't really use purified jam
tawny garden
I couldn't revive it for you Rover, my mobile cache was 3 days old
round hawk
Iām just curious while weāre on the topic of NPC happiness
hollow shell
@pale plover You can repost this suggestion whenever, but be sure to include the changes we pinged you about earlier.
Make Purified Jam Potion Sickness Not Affected by Philosophers Stone
With the philosophers stone on, there is about 10 seconds of godmode before only fifteen seconds of cooldown. This seems overpowered. In fact, this helped me cheese yharon.
gray nebula
barely anyone uses purified jam because of the fact that its a one use item that you cant get back
item hoarding lets go
ancient crow
the thing about pylons is that you can pretty easily have a lot more than 3 npcs near one pylon
limber ocean
ah yes, let me save this item for later
beats final boss without using a single one
oh shit
ancient crow
they have to be 25 blocks apart, but ingame that is a lot less distance than you might think
round hawk
Does Adrenaline build up while youāre under Purified Jam if something touches you?
Purified Jam + the damage boosters and True Melee/Dumbbell is pretty overpowered iirc
Still with too many NPCs 25 blocks apart would be a lot of space horizontally or youād have to have some in midair
steep crown
I mean, with modded, Especially Alchemist, a Lot more NPC's are available, so It'll be easier to get an Ideal setup
violet dagger
this sugg I agree with
there's literally no point in having 1 plat for her to move in
hollow shell
I agree with both suggestions
But, s'hard to think of a different req for Bandit
At least not immediately
violet dagger
hmmm
dapper coral
maybe she comes if tax collector is there?
distant gyro
most people having a plat by post-skeletron is an overstatement though
dapper coral
bc he's money man
steep crown
I mean, Killing Skeletron Probably Got her attention, since now she can loot the dungeon
hollow shell
Tax Collector is Hardmode.
dapper coral
oh wait bandit isn't?
hollow shell
If it could somehow be changed to like
if you have ever picked up a total of 1 plat (or an increased amount) then she moves in
instead of having that money on-hand
dapper coral
i've never had her so idk
radiant meadow
bandit is post skeletron
distant gyro
if you steamroll through the game hard enough which is very possible in calamity and vanilla, you'd have like
30 gold
violet dagger
then again i made that sugg a while back about making her check coins in the pig
tawny garden
maybe it could be searched to try to search for a plat in your portable storage
radiant meadow
if you have ever picked up a total of 1 plat (or an increased amount) then she moves in
You could exploit that by dropping a few gold coins on the floor several times
violet dagger
hollow shell
I suppose so yes
tawny garden
radiant meadow
searching through player's piggy banks is harder than it sounds
dapper coral
what about if you've spent enough money?
tawny garden
I suppose vanilla uses black magic to do so?
what about if you've spent enough money?
that sounds hard
dapper coral
that's probably true
hexed spade
bruh
tawny garden
dapper coral
probably just hit enter too quick, give em a sec
violet dagger
dapper coral
oh it's gone now
tough wolf
yeah I'm dumb
tawny garden
oh
tough wolf
sorry
dapper coral
no worries
tough wolf
the thing was at least, it can be used to easily money exploit
It sells for 15 gold
and you can buy wood for 1 copper per
hollow shell
"buy wood"
tough wolf
and it can be made with 15 wood
dapper coral
from architect from alchnpc it's 1 copper or something yea
dapper coral
but even disregarding that, wood is literally everywhere
dapper coral
i think the solution here is not to make it uncraftable, but rather to make it worth its money through expanding the recipe or lower the sell price
hollow shell
Slight problem
tough wolf
it gets broken real fast
hollow shell
This is about Living Loom?
hollow shell
Calamity doesn't add a recipe for Living Loom.
dapper coral
imksushi?
tough wolf
completely breaks the game
dapper coral
or fargo's
tough wolf
yeah that's the one
hollow shell
You can look in Recipe Browser for "Recipe added by:"
tough wolf
imksushi
dapper coral
oh
hollow shell
That's not our issue at all then
dapper coral
well then that's not a here problem
hollow shell
alright
tough wolf
sorry about that
tawny garden
money is no object in calamity anyway
hollow shell
it's aight
dapper coral
does imksushi have a discord, actually? you could report it there if you felt like it
no worries
tough wolf
thanks
hollow shell
(I dunno if imkSushi is even actively updated anymore)
sage granite
Before I make a suggestion regarding Yharon, If you go to high from spawn he'll spawn Follys.....Does anything happen if you go below the nados
sinful steeple
He one shots you
sinful steeple
Also I'm pretty sure he just one shots you if you go too high either, wasn't Birb spawning during the fight removed
sage granite
So when peeps get all pissed off cos of 2K damage I now know why :3
tawny garden
it was removed
so making birbs spawn again is kinda a removed feature sugg
which are prohibited
sage granite
I was more thinking Yharon would enrage if you go below the Nados
Like if you leave
tawny garden
it also enrages iirc
zealous ridge
yeah
tawny garden
not only deals 2500 damage, but also charges at you aggressively
zealous ridge
its also a bad feature that needs removing
tawny garden
zealous ridge
but ive already put in my two cents on that
so no point in really discussing it more because it has been brought up at dev
sage granite
The nados are there to keep you there though, Going to high is punished so going below needs a punishment
sinful steeple
Going below has a punishment
zealous ridge
yeah, its the same enrage that going too high causes
nearly instakill and always fast dashes
tawny garden
or RoDing yourelf
he enrages if you go outside
sage granite
Ok so here is saying he enraged to high or low while others say no he doesn't......I'd best ask a Dev instead
zealous ridge
well it wouldn't seem that hard to test
polar grove
the wiki only says he enrages if you are more than 550 blocks above where you spawn him from
sage granite
Indeed
polar grove
and he also enrages outside his bordernadoes, so i would assume that going too low would also enrage him
sinful steeple
I've gone below spawn and have him gernome me in one hit
polar grove
that seems a bit weird
zealous ridge
well if we have two gameplay instances with different results clearly there needs to be a retest
frail mantle
the devs most likely assumed nobody would try to fight yharon below the arena
tawny garden
then clearly I'd be wrong
I summoned it way up in the sky
I had a jungle planetoid
sage granite
I'll leave it there, Go to bed and see what's said Tomorrow
tawny garden
@sage granite also should mention that this can be used to remove the height enrage
tawny garden
(usually I would've said that the sugg is bad cause I used this to make my fight easier, but it actually didn't make my fight easier)
sage granite
I guess I just want to make people suffer
hollow shell
"When players fight Yharon" is a bit of a generalization
I've personally never seen or heard of this strategy
tawny garden
yeah, the word "some" should be used
I kinda skimmed through the sugg and didn't see
(tbh "some players" would only encompass me, and that strat failed for me)
violet dagger
needs better reasoning
sinful steeple
How would this help the mod though
violet dagger
not exactly an SIS
tawny garden
@mental owl that's not valid reasoning
violet dagger
byeah, it needs better reasoning
tawny garden
also you need a title
unkempt bolt
feedza's sugg seems hinged entirely upon a bug i've never heard of
and they don't seem to know of any bug in particular either, so the sugg seems more to be a preventative measure
does that count as future content?
tawny garden
no, some suggs did propose bug workarounds and they were approved/marked as valid
unkempt bolt
i guess it kinda circumnavigates the bugs don't
polar grove
it seems less like a bug and more like an oversight tbh
or are you talking about a different sugg than cata's?
unkempt bolt
im talking about feedza's
polar grove
oh
its right above my screen no wonder i didnt see it
afaik theres no bugs relating to the sentinels despawning
it doesnt really seem like a very necessary sugg
dapper coral
did SharkRat sugg and run?
void kelp
yeah
ashen warren
imagine using boosters in suggs
dapper coral
wdym boosters
polar grove
alt accounts that star suggs maybe?
dapper coral
if that's the case, that is a weirdly random thing to say
actually this is generally just a weirdly random thing to say
ashen warren
No
tawny garden
then what did you mean?
ashen warren
A booster is a word like ādefinitelyā
tawny garden
ah
ashen warren
it doesnt add anything to ur argument but it just shows that ur confident?
And certain things are too subjective so boosters shouldnt be used
dapper coral
if you're talking about SharkRat's their sugg is invalid for a multitude of reasons so it's a bit of an outlier
it's not a bad idea to add some 'boosters' to a sugg; after all, this is persuasive writing at the end of the day. however i agree that there are certain things that are subjective or just don't require these words
radiant meadow
I already changed living dew
hot zephyr
radiant meadow
also grand gelatin will still be hardmode
dapper coral
is that upcoming? i don't see it in changelogs
radiant meadow
It is upcoming because I said it's upcoming.
dapper coral
so it's upcoming but not in changelogs, good to know
balmy jay
@sage granite why not just remove the nados and give Yharon a horizontal enrage in addition to his vertical one?
violet dagger
I'd prefer tornados
since with horizontal enrage you have no idea where he's gonna enrage
dapper coral
bordernadoes serve for horizontal boundaries too, yea
cobalt pewter
I'd rather see bordernadoes be shown on the map tbh
sacred osprey
it was but i felt like it was cringe
hollow shell
Do we think the Apoth sugg is fine
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/699359022364491868/735740126071881799
dapper coral
definitely
ashen warren
@alpine trench you need to add more to your suggestion
hollow idol
Unless red code is meme, that will happen
radiant meadow
@alpine trench you're not allowed to suggest on future content like 1.4 stuff
Please read the pinned document for guidelines on what can and cannot be suggested.
polar grove
i think permanent boss spawners are a great idea, as long as they cost enough
sinful steeple
I dunno, aren't most boss spawners that can actually be used up already pretty cheap
An infinite use boss summon that drops nothing feels a little unnecessary since most boss spawners don't take much in the way of materials and also might be a noobtrap
hollow shell
@sterile frost Your reasoning seems kinda disconnected from your suggestion?
I don't see what trying out new items that you don't know the potential of has to do with infinite boss spawners.
What is "opportunity cost"?
polar grove
i think he means that it might be too expensive to spawn the boss to actually get certain items
hollow shell
Well no, because he says the bosses spawned by infinite spawners won't have drops
exotic ibex
f*ck
polar grove
?
sterile frost
Let's say you're fighting a boss like Duke Fishron but you're struggling with him so you want to change your gear. You're somewhat disincentivized to experiment with gear choices because you have to pay the material cost of the spawner everytime, which on top of having to pay for the item I feel just encourages people to use cookie cutter builds
polar grove
oh lol i didnt even notice that
exotic ibex
it's not very important, but funny
onyx river
hollow shell
@alpine trench Discuss suggestions in this channel
polar grove
i keep doing that too its getting annoying
alpine trench
oh ok
sinful steeple
DF's spawner is only 1 worm and 10 glowing mushrooms though
Not really that expensive since both are common
hollow shell
I can see the connection you're going for
sterile frost
the boss doesn't really matter
sinful steeple
Yeah but the thing is that most bosses have pretty easy summoner recipes, the only real ones with that being kinda an issue are PG and Birb
hollow shell
You could elaborate in your suggestion's reasoning that the cost of making boss spawners is an issue, that you've "wasted" a spawner by doing a fight with a build that ends up being poor
Right now you only say "lowering the opportunity cost"
sterile frost
well the oppurtunity cost is time
hollow shell
Explain it, elaborate more
hollow shell
Okay, that too then
alpine trench
ok for 1.4 yo should make calamity enemy's work for the bestiery
hollow shell
(Not a perfect analogy but I'm feelin a connection to Hollow Knight's Pantheons.
There's the Hall of Gods where you can fight each boss on their own and try out strategies and builds, but beating them nets no physical rewards. You need to beat them in the actual boss rushes (i.e. time investment) in order to make progress.)
And yes we're already planning on doing that
Why wouldn't we
distant gyro
that's different though
polar grove
and then theres the case of absrad who just doesnt let you see the actual ending in the hall of gods lol
hollow shell
Yeah, indeed
polar grove
and yeah i think having consumable boss spawners be the main way to summon bosses after you have beaten them is a bit odd
distant gyro
if you make that analogy, you can say that the first encounters are still first encounters
polar grove
i mean all of the post-ml bosses have non-consumable ones, why not hardmode?
distant gyro
and the boss rush bosses can be practiced individually as such
polar grove
yes
hollow shell
It's true the analogy isn't perfect, cuz you do need to beat the bosses normally in the world in order to unlock them in the Hall of Gods
distant gyro
only for the hardest bosses you can practice for without penalty
and that's already the case isn't it
hollow shell
Yeah, I think you only need to see/attempt Pure Vessel or AbsRad once to unlock them in the Hall
so that you can practice them before beating em for real
much like DoG, Yharon, SCal, etc. Non-consumable boss spawners cuz they're the hardest in the mod and will take many attempts
sterile frost
aaa I was making a huge edit then came back to see what you guys were talking about and it deleted itself
hollow shell
š
ashen warren
there's really no point in having an unlimited version of a boss summon when you can just buy them anyway
your argument is that it is annoying to waste boss drops.... but if you already beat that boss, you can already buy that boss' summon again
whole sedge
yeah
sterile frost
what
hollow shell
I think he's referring to before you beat a boss, like you're trying to find a good loadout/strategy but don't want the material/time investment every time in case your new strat fails
sterile frost
that's not my argument Toad. I edited the original post so hopefully it's a bit more clear now
sinful steeple
I don't really get the point of the boss summons taking time to farm since basically all of them are made from materials you'd already want for other reasons or would just already have on hand
sterile frost
Rover pretty much has it on the nose
hollow shell
I'm... still confused by the wording in your suggestion though
You mention farming bosses?
sterile frost
where
hollow shell
?? like
The entire sentence starting from "With bosses IMO" and ending with "the gear's power"
I don't know what you're trying to say
sterile frost
I only mentioning farming for items or materials
to make both the new equipment and making boss spawners
maybe i can reword it as "farming materials for spawners on attempts..."
hollow shell
"then farming materials on attempts I know I will die on" is the most confusing part
You're farming for materials but you're dying?
sterile frost
farming materials doesn't make you invincible. You will generally need a practice run or 3 espesically for some of Calamity's more esoteric equipment
versus the boss
hollow shell
It sounds like you're dying to the bosses that you are farming
Farming presumably meaning that you beat them already and you're just fighting them again to get materials
rather than a new fight you're struggling to beat once, as mentioned earlier
sterile frost
this breaks down to 3 points pretty much
1: fighting boss fun
2: obtaining and using new items is somewhat fun
3: farming mobs with a chaos candle is not that fun
most of the items you need for crafting boss spawners
doesn't come from bosses
hollow shell
"farming materials for attempts" would prolly be clearer
sterile frost
i've arleady edited to "for spawners" but I can change it to "for attempts"
I edited the line let me know if it's any clearer
hollow shell
but the sentence could still use work
You've got two "then"s after your "rather", making it hard to tell which one is the alternate option and which is just describing a sequence
sterile frost
i'm gonna be honest I'm rereading it over and over again and I don't see what you mean
hollow shell
Than.
One of them needs to be "than".
sinful steeple
Too overpowered even for a postgame set honestly
hollow shell
(Also Kryshki, in your first sentence, I would put "which you haven't adjusted to yet and will generally need multiple copies of the boss spawning item to get your practice in with" in parentheses or add hyphens on each side. It's hard to read when there's nothing separating that from the main sentence)
golden narwhal
This is impossible for the most part?
hollow shell
Yeah adding more acc slots would be a huge pain to code and, yes, would be quite overpowered
alpine trench
ok i have a discussion for you do you think calamity should support 1.4 tips by adding tips that help with the mod
hollow shell
No need to discuss this
alpine trench
why?
hollow shell
because future content suggs are not allowed
alpine trench
oh
hollow shell
Wait for Calamity to port to 1.4 before making suggestions about it
tawny garden
Also read the pins
hollow shell
In a little over a week (if all goes well)
tawny garden
and the update is coming when it's done
alpine trench
oh ok nice the update looks amazing
hollow shell
It won't port Cal to 1.4.
We're waiting on the tMod team for that
Could take months
alpine dawn
The Demonshade one looks too powerful
alpine trench
also does the 64 bit version of tmodloader have any chance of being turned to the default steam one
so it has the same features
hollow shell
No, not default
tawny garden
this is offtopic
alpine trench
ok
tawny garden
hmm
I don't remember attack patterns sugged before
golden narwhal
Also two suggs
tawny garden
there's an unnecessary preface to it
hollow shell
@white falcon Suggestions need to be formatted in a certain way.
Main idea needs to be at the top, with your reasoning on a separate line(s) below
Also, only one suggestion per message.
white falcon
Whoops, just read that. Sorry about that, Iāll get that fixed.
hollow shell
š
tawny garden
but I don't know the validity of this
also there's no reasoning
golden narwhal
Also gonna need a reason for both
white falcon
Thanks for letting me know though
hollow shell
The Crabulon one sounds a lil bit over-specific, not sure how well that will go over
golden narwhal
Think the scal thing was sugged before
tawny garden
"it'd be cool" isn't valid reason
wooden wedge
Isn't the last sugg not gonna be able to happen
hollow shell
The SCal screen tint and shell shedding ones could work as suggs, specifically the former
hollow shell
That, and having them work as acc slots in the same way as the others.
And not being stupidly buggy
thorny jungle
and dyes?
hollow shell
Yeah, will need vanity and dye slots too
wooden wedge
And the reasoning ignore sthe fact that auric and demonshade are at the same tier
hollow shell
They arent
tawny garden
hmm
cheet sheet adds acc slots
maybe steal their code?
hollow shell
Indeed
... at this point, should I add Demonshade vs Auric suggs to the Don'ts doc?
wooden wedge
And if this were to go through it'd make demonshade a lot better than auric tesla
sinful steeple
Probably
thorny jungle
ok
tawny garden
@alpine trench read the doc, please
hollow shell
A lot of people have the impression that Demonshade needs to be better than Auric in all aspects
when in fact there is supposed to be a choice
thorny jungle
wouldnt a desert scourge nest be hard to code
wooden wedge
Going by what philo said it's a don't
hollow idol
structures arent a dont iirc?
tawny garden
it's a minibiome sugg š
hollow shell
This could theoretically work as a suggestion, if the person writing it had any idea what they were doing
wooden wedge
@alpine trench you need a reason for your sugg
alpine trench
i give up
wooden wedge
(also it's desert scourge)
hollow shell
It'd need to be a structure and not a biome/minibiome
Small thing so it doesn't give the dev team a hernia
thorny jungle
a better option would be to just add it in a pyramid or something
alpine trench
yeah
sinful steeple
I think the best option is to just not really have it as a thing because it doesn't fit the lore of DS
DS doesn't have a wife and kids
thorny jungle
but again i know nothing about coding so
wooden wedge
Also if you give up then you should delete your sugg
hollow shell
I'll give him a few minutes (then do it myself if he doesn't)
tawny garden
I wish people would read the doc
sage granite
Ok "Some" was added to the Yharon sugg
hollow shell
Thanks Cata
white falcon
I hope I did that right
thorny jungle
screen tint reminds me of something
hollow shell
This suggestion looks good.
You could mention that this would be in reference to Dokuro's video, in case anybody isn't aware.
white falcon
Very true
hollow shell
(The music boxes too)
hollow shell
aight
(also, may wanna clarify you mean music tracks in your top line, in case anybody doesn't get the terminology.
Apart from that, š )
hollow shell
Good, nice
thorny jungle
i want to suggest tint monoliths now but i dont have a good reason
zealous ridge
there is technically precedent in 1.4 now, besides just the celestial pillars there's now a bloodmoon and moonlord monolith
hollow shell
Boss fight tint monoliths have been suggested before, but you can suggest it again.
hollow shell
I mean, that's fair.
The vanilla monoliths are just purely aesthetic
You might want a PBG monolith for a plague plate build in the jungle
or one of two DoG monoliths for your base cuz the colors are more subtle
thorny jungle
k ill suggest it
boreal kiln
Would suggesting more hybrid summoner armor be against no subclass suggestions?
hollow shell
Nah, that would be fine.
Well ultimately it depends on your reason, but I doubt you're trying to do a hybrid summoner playthrough and you're struggling due to a lack of armor options
cuz there's only like
2
thorny jungle
ĀÆ\_(ć)_/ĀÆ
hollow shell
This sugg looks fine
(I won't get on your ass for using a specific item name cuz it's very clearly just an example )
And, it kinda depends on how specific you are.
As in.. try not to be specific at all
What're you planning on suggesting?
white falcon
More biome-specific MINI bosses
thorny jungle
like elementals?
white falcon
Yeah
thorny jungle
wouldnt that like mess up the lore?
ashen warren
the only biomes without a miniboss are like jungle and hell
tawny garden
jungle has plaguebringer
white falcon
Like how crabulon is just a husk of a crab, and there could be crab husk minibosses complimenting that
ashen warren
and with the addition of the birb babies in next update that jungle spot kinda gets taken up
hollow shell
You could suggest that. Gotta support it with good reasoning of course
thorny jungle
scorn eaters? idk man
tawny garden
hell has lava
white falcon
I hate those
hollow idol
wouldnt that like mess up the lore?
Its not like Earth, Ice, Chaos, Cosmic, and Granite elementals exist
thorny jungle
wait theres a cosmic elemental?
frail mantle
yes
tawny garden
vanilla
hollow idol
Cosmic is calamity
tawny garden
oh really?
thorny jungle
i thought the only elementals were the ones in the heart of the elements
this is big bruh moment
hollow shell
btw, before the channel gets any more crowded
Are the three earliest suggs in posting (Feedza's, Joshua's, Forsaken's) good for approval? Any feedback on them?
#suggestions-posting message
hollow shell
Likely?
tawny garden
well, I can't tell if it is or not
hollow shell
Sentinels phase currently exists
frail mantle
i wouldn't say it's future content
if anything it's closer to a bug report and even then it's suggesting a workaround, not just "there's a bug please fix ok thanks"
hollow shell
And he prefaces it with the consistency of Boss Rush doing it
so, it is indeed distant from just bein a bug report sugg
tawny garden
untold cargo
But what if u donāt make it to phase 2
thorny jungle
bruh
hollow shell
That's an anti future content argument
His sugg will apply less so in the future
but, it still does not invalidate it
thorny jungle
But what if u donāt make it to phase 2
@untold cargo do you mean like if you die or if it doesnt spawn?
hollow shell
Die.
untold cargo
Well his bug was cv would always despawn
dapper coral
but then it cancels the rest of the fight
tawny garden
well then
aight
untold cargo
Iām saying they said that cv would always just despawn
hollow shell
(I was assuming.
I didn't know there was a known bug with CV)
hollow shell
I don't peruse the bugs doc in my free time
tawny garden
neither do I, but I still remember that
robust lava
There definitely are bugs surrounding Sentinels despawning during the phase, but imo that doesnāt invalidate the sugg since as Rover said itās comparing it to BR and how it handles despawns there
hollow shell
byeah
I'll approve em
tawny garden
yea, go ahead
hollow shell
Bandit one is not a bluecheck
A past sugg had a different solution for kinda the same issue
(it was makin her req check your piggy bank)
tawny garden
yea, gsealboi did that
but it wasn't the same
I dunno why I said that
generalizations of previous suggs don't count as bluechecks?
thorny jungle
whats a bluecheck?
tawny garden
read the pins
āļø
it means a similar sugg has already been delivered to the dev server
thorny jungle
ahhh
hollow shell
Hang on lemme poke the Legend a bit, cuz it doesn't call it by name and the color of the emoji varies on some devices
white falcon
Iād like some opinions branching off of my screen tint idea
tawny garden
\āļø this won't vary
thorny jungle
i got my suggestion from your idea with screen tint and all that
tawny garden
if you escape it
white falcon
Oh no I got the input from my idea I just want to know what yāall think of something branching off
Would changing Scalās glow color with the screen be a bad idea
Like how itās normally red
thorny jungle
probably be kinda hard to implement?
hollow shell
thorny jungle
again i have no idea
loud kayak
Yeah I don't think that tick is meant to be grey
tawny garden
oh for fuck's sake
loud kayak
Also do bosses override the monoliths?
tawny garden
discord, what the fuck?
frail mantle
mobile be like
thorny jungle
ā
loud kayak
Looks grey to me
thorny jungle
it is grey
white falcon
Iām pretty sure itās mobile
tawny garden
white falcon
Mine is too
thorny jungle
its the samsung keyboard emoji
tawny garden
it's blue on my PC
hollow shell
It's all fucked up
I have no idea what makes it show up as the device-specific emoji versus the Discord version
tawny garden
but grey on mobile
untold cargo
Apple have their own emojis
thorny jungle
hollow shell
It's blue in the pins
It's blue when I jump to the pin
but you were sending grey ones
tawny garden
this is the unicode consortium's fault
thorny jungle
yeah
tawny garden
yea, the reaction is blue
hollow shell
Even more confusing:
tawny garden
X-Files theme intensifies
thorny jungle
thats the discord one
untold cargo
Grey
hollow shell
wh āļø
thorny jungle
āļø blue
tawny garden
What the fuuuck
untold cargo
āgrey
tawny garden
Depends on the sender
thorny jungle
untold cargo
Maybe
thorny jungle
my brain
hollow shell
tawny garden
I need to be
untold cargo
Uhhh
white falcon
Holy shit
tawny garden
where's my marijuana
thorny jungle
āsamsung gray
white falcon
Iām going to have a heart attack
untold cargo
āļø bluegrey
hollow shell
aight fuck it
thorny jungle
āļø fiscord blue
white falcon
We have to fool the system
hollow shell
We can stop now
thorny jungle
k
tawny garden
this needs to be reported to unicode
hollow shell
The world is in shambles
untold cargo
the world is shambles
white falcon
But yeah would it be a good idea to change Scalās glow color with the background
untold cargo
I like it
white falcon
I like the idea of a purple glow scal in the grief phase
dapper coral
Colors for scal would be interesting indeed
thorny jungle
just thought of another suggestion
a way of telling which mode the endo cooper is on
or is that a no-no bc developer item?
dry latch